29.Jun.2017 General Thread

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Much of the drama is fading, which is good for the Beavs. But much of the outrage is fading as well. Fans can only stay indignant for so long before moving on with life, and ESPN et al know this and bank on it.

So here we are, discussing general topics instead of specific, indignant topics (though, feel free to harp on these as well).

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  • ObjCritic says:
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    Editorial on public financing of sports stadiums:

    http://journalrecord.com/2017/06/19/editorial-correcting-fiscal-irresponsibility/

    This is long overdue. The notion that there is genuine economic benefit has always been suspect in my mind and it is so annoying to see owners playing municipalities against one another. However, I’ll be surprised if it s changes anytime soon…

  • Jack Jack says:
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    The great source of both the misery and disorders of human life, seems to arise from over-rating the difference between one permanent situation and another.

  • gobeavers92 says:
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    Another thing that is quite disheartening is watching the quacks absolutely KILLING it on the football recruiting trail. If they can close out this class and continue to recruit these kinds of classes going forward there may be another LONG streak of years between civil war victories for the Beavs in the not so distant future. I would love to know what kind of shenanigans are going on behind the scenes with Slick Willy and Co. How does a 4-8 team with a new staff keep hitting homeruns on the recruiting trail?

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Hold on.

      You’re telling me that a sub-.500 coach plus ~.900 talent equals a 1.000 career?

      I’m selling.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      I’d also like to know what may have gone on behind the scenes to bring in these recruits. We do know that the glitz of the swoosh/O combo has been worth a lot in the past.

      As Willie assembled his staff, it seemed recruiting was almost always mentioned as the strong point of each new hire. Not that ability to recruit means no ability to coach and win.

      Seems to me Willie may have a hard time keeping promises (implied or overt) to everyone in a large group of prima donnas; this could blow up in his face. Especially true if the wins don’t come. Willie can probably sell a 5 win season to the fans, but can he keep team unity when fingers are pointed at the D for a poor overall record?

      –Will Leavitt blow his stack as the D is blamed for losses? Will he skip town after this season for a HC gig?
      –Aren’t they are down to 2 QB’s now?, how’s that gonna work out?

      • JockItch JockItch says:
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        Leavitt leaves it after two years.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        If Willie and Co continue the hot recruiting, you’ve got to think an SEC team will come knocking. Think he takes the first opportunity to climb the ladder that presents itself. Oregon might give him nice facilities, but recruiting to his own backyard and getting paid more to do it would be hard to pass up.
        Jim Leavitt seems destined to be the next Kansas State HC too.

        The interesting thing to watch about their class is that they already have 16 verbal commitments and its only June. None of these guys have played a game of senior year football. How many of them have a down year? How many get injured? Seems like having almost your entire class assembled before the football season even starts presents some risks when you start seeing other players you’d rather have. Pulling scholarship offers doesn’t look good.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Like it or not, Oregon has made themselves a national brand. I see their crap all over the Twin Cities.
      They still have a cool factor with the kids and that ain’t going away for a while. It’s a relatively easy recruiting sell for an aggressive recruiting staff. It is critical that GA wins this CW and kills any momentum.

      • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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        Unfortunately I agree. I see plenty of OU apparel in So Cal. It is probably 3rd place behind USC and UCLA here which is saying something.

  • Ryan says:
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    I’ve been wondering about Oregon recruiting as well. It seems like when they just a recruit they have created a Disneyland atmosphere for them. So they feel excited and U of O shows them everything a 17-20 year old would want. So how can they say no. Plus with Nike branding they know who to make a recruit say yes. It’s down right creepy if you ask me. I also want to know what Taggert and company are telling these kids. I do know for a fact that Taggert is personally telling kids he wants to be the first African American to win the National Championship.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    We should talk about the NCAA and their player-employees.
    https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/d7mbmj/nlrb-busts-student-athlete-myth-by-classifying-private-school-football-players-as-employees

    I know that limits their decision to private enterprise and only football players. But it opens the door a little wider to the truth. These kids are employees. Whether you think they’re being under or over-paid is another topic.

    So what does this mean for the kids who played at the CWS?

    According to NCAA rules, you can have 35 kids on the roster. 8 of them are mandated walk-ons. 2 of them must receive at least 25% of a ship. And there are only 11.7 ships available to the team.

    Most NCAA schools don’t reach that 11.7 distribution or 35 man roster levels, btw. But the rule mandates 27 at 25%, so we know each must pay out at least 6.75. We’ll stick to 11.7 and 27 for this discussion.

    So, you can give seven kids about 96% of a ship, and you can meet your mandate by giving the other twenty 25% of one. Or you can just give the mean of 43.33% to all 27.

    It’s that mean that bugs me as far as all this employment stuff goes. If these kids are subsidizing their sport to the tune of 56.67%, then what rights should the NCAA have in forcing them to follow any rules?

    They’re essentially paying the NCAA in order to make the NCAA money. I haven’t seen the p&l for this year. But they usually come in at around $9m for the CWS itself. And some schools themselves turn a profit at the gate.

    So, if the NCAA wants to say that they are giving opportunity to SAs in lieu of payment on the football front, where every player is granted a full ride and freedom from immediate financial burdens, what does that say about baseball players on this level given they put more than twice the value of their returns into the sport?

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      “So, you can give seven kids about 96% of a ship,”

      Hopefully the missing 4% is not the rudder and propeller.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      *27 of them must receive at least 25%

  • DucksSuck says:
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    The coaches down the road sure can recruit but they only have one coach on the staff that has ever coached a P12 game and it took him a few years to be successful at that (and with seniors). Their new HC is 4-20 in his first year at a new school and even with the so called ‘talent’ they have on the roster now he still doesn’t have a QB that fits in his offensive system (in fact they only have one upperclassmen QB on the roster now) AND his best QB at UCF (FLowers) was recruited by Telly who is now a Beaver…
    It really seems they recruit by the number of stars and not necessarily for position (see TE and all the ‘athletes’ they recruit) – you know, the kids that think they have ‘made it’ and have nothing to prove and then they get to P12 and fade away…
    CGA appears to recruit quality, lower ranked or ‘under the radar’ guys to fill specific needs and then develops them into solid D1/P12 players (time will tell on that for sure as the team is still pretty young).
    I expect the football team down south to lose early and then fall apart as the staff attempts to rebuild and the Beavs to go to a bowl game…

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      I doubt Willie has what it takes to run a large organization. Proper delegation and supervision of subordinates and keeping everyone focused and satisfied with their role may be his downfall.

      “I expect the football team down south to lose early and then fall apart as the staff attempts to rebuild …” my thoughts as well. Although, I might change “as the staff attempts to rebuild” to “as the staff begins to point fingers”.

      And, I too expect the Beavs to go to a bowl game.

  • DucksSuck says:
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    Also, don’t expect the school down south to pull all those 4-5 star dudes from Florida with all of the new premier head coaches in the state…

  • helmsley says:
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    When baseball 2018 begins is the time to write to Pac-12 (still no word from them?), the NCAA, and CWS offices.

  • cj cj says:
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    I, for one, still thinks the O owes the Heimlich family a huge apology for the pain they put them through…again! I called dirtbag Danny out in an email but, like the comment sections – no reply.

    I really liked Danny’s articles, too. Unfortunately he got too close to the Canzasshole and some of it rubbed off.

    • JockItch JockItch says:
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      No one will want to give him an interview, should Danny out him/her.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Heaven forbid someone who does an interview has unpaid parking tickets. Moron will be all over them.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          To be fair, serial parking violators display extreme entitlement issues.

  • angry angry says:
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    Regarding Taggart, everyone told me not to worry about his recruiting. I’m definitely worried. Great recruiting can make a bad coach look good. Of course, if there is no chemistry or coaching ability, having a team of prima donnas can easily fall apart.

    The fact that he says he wants to be the first black coach to win a NT is awful…he’s making the team’s accomplishments about himself. I guess recruits are too naive to see that. But it’s a really bad sign. He’s going to use and abuse the players to try to get himself praise. That’s Willie. That rarely works out well, so I’m thinking Willie will eventually be seen for the self-serving fraud that he is. Should be interesting. Their recruiting is scary, though. Ours looks so Bush League compared…

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I don’t think it’s a matter of worrying about his recruiting as it pertains to how well he coaches. We only worry because we might lose head to head battles. That’s something.

      But we’re looking at a guy who is currently a sub-.500 coach. He’s likely more of a career .650 type. With ~.900 talent, him looking better would be a career .800 effort at Nikegon.

      Take Shaw at Stanford, for example. Nobody knew his head coaching abilities. But he got to take over a program that had a great mentality and can gather ~.800 talent. He sustains that .800 level nicely, making him a good fit where he is. His model needs only a 1.000 QB to raise their destined annual returns over short periods. They can have a couple down years around .750 and expect to be back at the top every couple years, depending on talent.

      Nikegon has too many holes to say the same. And Taggart’s system leads me to believe about .850 will be his max level in about two or three years. He may sustain that level for a couple years, but recruits can see when max coaching meets max talent at a school and still can’t get over the top.

  • them beavers them beavers says:
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    Anyone know who Donovan, Dakota is?
    I ask because he is the only Beaver that plays for the Corvallis Knight this year.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    I’m not going to defend Taggart, but he’s turned around two programs so far. I’m just going to watch and see if he can do it a third time. I’m more concerned with GA elevating the Beav program, I don’t have time to be concerned with Taggart.

    • angry angry says:
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      Yeah maybe he’s actually good, but he seems like a total self-serving hack.
      I don’t think Oregon has to be turned around. Their offense was top 25, defense near last. All they have to do is fix the D, and they have a ton of players who can do that.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        Taggart is going to have to manage expectations and that may cause him to make mistakes or take risks. The Duck fan base consider the program elite now. They may settle in as a 9-4 type team and that might not be enough over the long term. I still maintain that Chip Kelly was a once in a lifetime college coaching talent and it’s not going to repeat again in Eugene, especially not with Taggart.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      He hasn’t turned around much of anything. His record his final season was better than the record before he got there. But he took over for one coach who was made to transition to FBS and fired because, surprise, he lost a lot. And his current staff is also all but three years of the history of football coaches for the other team.

    • DucksSuck says:
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      He has never been a ‘play calling’ coach in a Power 5 conference – he has one coach on staff that has called a play in a Power 5 game and he was only successful after he had seniors in his system…
      GA HAS elevated the Beaver program after it was completely torn down…

  • them beavers them beavers says:
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    Oh, Billy King a beaver baseball player alum just signed to play for a Ray’s farm team that is good to hear for him.

  • PDX Beav says:
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    GA needs to crank recruiting up a notch. Time for a big fish. Crocker?

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    John Canzano won the award for National Douchebag of the year. You all might want to give a big happy dolphin round of applause.

    https://twitter.com/Anna_Canzano/status/880629534256758786

    • Jack Jack says:
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      https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/879788705724211201

      There’s no effort involved when truth speaks to hypocrisy. The script writes itself. Defamatory screecher gets paid indirectly from funds gained by selling underage girls for sex.

      Truth is not a symptom. Cut n paste takes five seconds, not energy and time. He’s really not worth either. But I’m pretty sure I can take 10 seconds and come up with better, if he truly wants some symptoms.

      It really bugs me that the loudest, most incorrect and most inflammatory voice on a juvenile adjudication also runs a charity for kids. That model does not bode well for what we may find out about him in the future.

      There was an arrest down here this week related to the same. A father was abusing his daughter over time. I saw him around because my daughter was involved in Girl Scouts, and she dealt with the daughter and father in this case some years ago. I won’t go into his politics, but you can imagine he was a bellicose, self-righteous hard-liner who blamed everyone else for his perceived truths… those that were known.

      • Doozeldorf says:
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        Wow. That from a guy who makes a living (and got a fucking award) for bashing people in a highly public forum. Incredible. I think he’s brainwashed.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          “Trolls” speaking truth to power are the same as “fake news” tweets.

          It hurts because it’s true.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        And if you want to buy that he’s just lazy and ignorant of where his money comes from, then you should consider what known (to his own news organization) activities were sanctioned by his show telling his audience to go to this place and spend their money.

        I’m familiar with how sports radio works because of a good friend I won’t name in Houston. He tells me he knows every advertiser on his show. Not only does he know them. He lobbies them to play ads on lesser shows. He makes himself available for remote broadcasts and speaks of them in glowing terms… because they’re his gravy train.

        In short, he is aware of his business.

        There is no excuse which leaves him standing as anything but a hypocrite on this. I suppose you could say that he’s a half-man who is really lazy and apathetic toward his craft. That would cover most of his “hot takes” on just about any subject. But I don’t think you anchor a local market of this size without sufficiently knowing something about something on at least the business end.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Here:
      https://twitter.com/brendatracy24/status/880109576435060737

      Real men remain vigilant and speak truth to power. They aren’t lazy hypocrites who pad their wallets with the opposite of what they say.

      Someone tell that to Flipper.

  • Osalum94 Osalum94 says:
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    After a bad loss I usually wear my “Beaver Complex” shirt obtained on a wildfire, the equivalent of rock concert t-shirts in the wildfire community. I had to have this shirt being a Beaver fan, the luck o the Beavs…

    http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag107/Christopher_Rudd/bugs/Beaver_Complex-1184x901_zpswm04hezx.jpg

    Enjoy…

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    The Massengill Award.
    So much his “not so fresh feeling.”

  • scotty says:
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    Still no word back from Barnes on the email I sent Monday night. Maybe the contact page being broken and one of the contact emails not working aren’t accidents.

  • them beavers them beavers says:
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    Happy 4th of July weekend to all if you took Monday off

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Anyone know what Dan Cozettos job is going to be?

  • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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    As an analyst per Scout

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Wonder if he filled this 10 day old posting found on Football Scoop? Does he have “juice”??

      “OSU Football is looking for a dynamic visionary to help us #BuildTheDam. A creative mind with juice is a must! Live and work in the PAC 12’s Best College Town – beautiful Corvallis, Oregon”

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Must be bringing him in because they looked at the roster and said, “Holy shit, we have 4 starting running backs this year and still have holes on the O-Line, maybe Cozzetto can make this work”

      Hopefully he’s bringing a JC right tackle with him…

  • angry angry says:
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    Feels weird to say this, but football starts next month…

  • Ryan says:
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    Off topic: Oregon WR Darren Carrington has been suspended indefenitly by Willie. Cited for DUI and hitting a McDonald’s drive thru at 3:30am in Eugene. Let’s see what coach Taggert does….

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      Btw now I’m hungry for a BigMac.

    • Gobeavers92 says:
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      He will be back by the 2nd half of their first game.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        This is thr same guy that missed the national title game because of weed, and then last year assaulted somebody while wearing a joker mask last year, right?

        Is this strike 3, or has there been more?

        • Ryan says:
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          As far as I know strike three for him.

          • mckalk mckalk says:
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            Yes, but the probing questions remain……will that crackerjack investigative reporter Danny “moron” Moran call for a background check now or will he wait until three days before the Ducks play an important game (if they do) and will John “Dolphin-Star” Canzano write a scathing opinion piece calling for the death sentence for the wayward young Carrington because he’s an adult and these are multiple offenses? I’m glued to my Lazy Boy waiting to find out!

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          I think strike 4. He was accused of that assault last year after a game, then the reporter found a previous assault investigation from the year before I believe.

    • angry angry says:
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      Let’s see what coach Taggert does….

      Names him team captain.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    OT: Where do they put visiting fans in Reser? I recall they are usually under the right side of the Speculum looking from the field. Are there also some in the far right upper corner of the new side?

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      I’m not sure I understand your question? Without an airport, I didn’t think there were any visiting fans?

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Gopher sports is now selling the Beav game tickets………..for 82 skin.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Beaver or gopher? That’s expensive if it’s beaver.

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          Nutria, they’re easier to hunt in the various public parks the convoy stays at along the way. Just need to make sure that the children that are feeding the rodents are asked to leave. Nutria slaughter is not a pretty sight!

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Main section is in the SouthWest corner (to the right of the old side when facing the field, in the corner)
      Sometimes they overflow into the south endzone.
      I dont think the new side corners are sold to visiting teams, but those seats are usually cheapest, so i bet several visitors choose to sit up there

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        You lost me. So they are in old grandstand? If you are standing on he field as a frame of reference, are they down towards the scoreboard, aka the Speculum, end? I have no concept of east/ west directions on campus.

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      Primarily, I see visitors seated in section 126. When we played Boise St, it was a whole different story.

    • cj cj says:
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      Everywhere!

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Have they started selling the CSU tickets to ticket holders/ donors?

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Anyone know who this fuck stick is?
    https://twitter.com/DINOCOSTARADIO/status/880983458172076032

    • Jack Jack says:
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      nm… he looks like an inconsequential loser.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        He got canned from a sports radio show on SIRIUS satellite because he liked to be outrageous for the sake of being outrageous. I didn’t realize the blowhard landed in Portland. He used to brag about being holed up in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Isn’t this the same station as our buddy “Star-Dolphin”?

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I didn’t realize he was a white supremacist.

          I wouldn’t have said anything about him had I just read more of his tweets. He doesn’t deserve our consideration.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          And we should just call Canzano Flipper. It’s what he’s going to do next year with Luke and how he’s going to spin some mush about rising from the ashes or some similar stale crap these guys keep in their idea books.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Anybody watch the Pacquiao vs. Horn fight? Pacquiao gets robbed in a decision while landing twice as many punches. And people wonder why boxing is dying a slow death.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Boxing died because they decided to chase the quick money of the PPV instead of sharing their glory with the masses. It was always challenged in that moron fixers have always been accepted as a part of the sport. But at least it was a sport of the people. Everyone could gather around a radio and/or turn on the TV and hear the fights.

      Kids would talk about the fight the next day. There was an excitement that disappeared when it became exclusive. And that excitement was the cost of the short term gains of the PPV market.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    I was meaning more of the human factor fucking up clear decisions. It was pretty bad, and that Horn kid is dirty, lots of headbutts with lots of warnings but no action taken. He even broke open pacquiao with one of them. Horn landed 92 punches in 12 rounds. total. But I’ll give Horn credit for not folding after the 9th round, he hung with a great fighter who is on the far back side of his career. Pacquiao of 8 years ago would have destroyed this kid.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Kevin Porter Jr. today at 12:45.

    Excuse me if I don’t hold my breath when I look at this top six and wonder what the poop smear with a label is supposed to be.
    https://twitter.com/Kid_Groovy/status/871925687623360512

  • wannabeav says:
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    anyone else having seeing it take a long time for angrybeavs to serve up pages. I’m mean, like 3–45 seconds? if not, what might my problem be?

    • angry angry says:
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      Yes, I’ll look into it.

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      It looks like b/c of all the massive traffic the past few weeks, it maxed out the current plan’s resources, and I’d have to upgrade to another plan.

      Since I run the site for free/donations, I obviously don’t want to sink more money into it. Not sure what to do. For now it might be a bit slow.

      Update: I repaired/optimized the database. This might fix the issue, but might take some time to kick in. Or it might not help at all…

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        Whoa!

        What’s this thing?
        [Click to Edit | Request Deletion]
        Just started showing up under comments… but disappears after a 4:30 countdown.

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          Yeah, I noticed that too. Used to be able to edit/delete at any time, not so now.

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            I’ve never been able to edit/delete. Now I have 4 minutes and 30 seconds I didn’t used to have.

            It’s party time.

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          I’ll fix it today.

          Update: it should be fixed. Let me know!

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    Conforto is voted in as an all Star per osu’s baseball Facebook page. Good on him, love his swing.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    A friend sent this along.
    http://blog.oregonlive.com/johncanzano/2008/02/darius_miles_meet_the_giant_el.html

    Hypocrite of immense proportions right there.

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      That’s priceless. Canzano seems to know the local strip club scene all too well.

      I am a little confused though……was it “Stars” or “Dolphin 2” who advertise on Canzano’s station (or both)? The original Dolphin went to that eternal stripper pole in the sky a few years back. They never recovered from an FBI/IRS raid.

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        So sad- its been a decade plus since I’d been there but loved that place. What was the story on the DII raid. Never heard about that.

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    If if kick the CANzano is sponsored by the Dolphin clubs,
    is it fair to assume that he ratted out Luke and the girl on “Porpoise?”

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    Lundeberg at the GT up with a piece on Darwin Barney where he says, of this years team:

    “I think the biggest thing we had in 2006 was we weren’t satisfied with getting to Omaha. To have this group get in and get their feet wet … they’re going to feel that getting there isn’t accomplishing too much, and the next step is taking it the whole way. I’m pretty sure that first little taste is plenty to give you the incentive and the drive.”

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/baseball/osu-baseball-ten-years-later-barney-s-legacy-lives-on/article_3d930cba-936e-5fdf-8b80-023ad981d4d7.html

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      Team will be loaded with talent at all positions in the field.
      I assume Luke will not be back, so pitching will be a huge question mark. We have a lot of control type pitchers, but no hard throwers that can consistently throw strikes.
      Hopefully some more power from Larnach, Gretler, Anderson, and Grenier.

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        And Adley.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Why wouldn’t Luke come back? Is there another option left for him at this point?

        The only reason he wouldn’t come back is because either he or the team doesn’t want him there. I don’t get the sense from either that’s the case. One should assume he is coming back now.

        ?

        • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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          Isn’t Luke technically available as a free agent currently? Not saying it will happen, but I could see a team taking him in, as long as his record gets expunged in August(assuming the info from Eggers article about getting his record wiped clean was accurate)

          If not available as a free agent, I could see him coming back, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he pursued another route. This story is going to be brought up every single week of the season, and will be part of the write up for every team the Beavs play next year. Not sure he would want to relive that for another year of constant scrutiny. And this doesn’t even take into account how people will react to him in the opposing grandstands and dugouts.

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            His record wouldn’t be expunged. It would be sealed.

            If he doesn’t want to put up with a whole season of whatever, that would be up to him and the team.

            I say fuck ’em… well… not literally… you know… figuratively. Other fan bases can go to hell if they don’t know how to be adults.

            I wouldn’t mind a full season of discussion about the topic. It would provide a platform for all the misinformation created by the O and Flipper. I think it would expose how poor a job they did. And it would show how little respect they have for the topic of sexual violence overall that they outed an 11 year-old girl and screamed campus rape at the top of their lungs.

            After the first weekend of initial discussion, the narrative will start to steer toward the truth, not Flipper’s narrative. And it will become more and more researched and thoughtful every subsequent week because everyone will want to say something about it.

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            I like Dolphin-boy better than Flipper…but that’s just me.

            The whole things just really sucks. The worst part is that the O hasn’t corrected its mistaken reason(s) for the story in the first place, i.e., the error by the police in listing Luke as not updating his status and the fact that they gave so much info about the girl that even angry@angry could figure out who she is.

            They should be ashamed!

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Just like every other manufactured outrage, he’ll flip to the bandwagon when it suits him. Hell, he had one whole column saying how Luke should remove himself from the team for all the wrong reasons. Then, when Luke did remove himself for the right reasons, he said he thought Casey or the school should have removed him. That was one day.

            He’s Flipper.

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            “Isn’t Luke technically available as a free agent currently?” That’s what I was trying to ask when I wondered when this year’s draft ended. Duh! I have also wondered if there is any chance a team would sign him – no fanfare – put him on a milb team far away. It would catch up, of course but perhaps Luke would have a little bit of time.

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            I think Moran and Canzano misjudged what would be the reaction to their tabloid reporting. I believe they, in their stupidity, honestly thought we would all be grateful. I wonder if they supposed Casey would dismiss Luke from the team with a holier-than-thou – tsk, tsk – can’t have him on the team. There were a fair number who felt that way but they aren’t the ones who caused the shutdown of the comments sections.

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            I hope LH has the fortitude to come back and play his senior season. No reason not to, unless it’s too uncomfortable for him. The topic will be revisited ad naseum by fools who apparently cannot comprehend the legal distinctions between a minor and an adult.

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            Jack, that’s a pretty optimistic view, one that I would hope could pan out but just don’t see it happening. Though I think some are softening their view (maybe realizing that the Oregonian did everyone involved a disservice). In the D1baseball article on Yeskie they mentioned Luke’s “off field issues”.

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            I don’t think it’s optimism. Everything… forget that… more than we need to know about this story is known. That the O decided to direct it as it did speaks to their motives.

            Continued dialogue only benefits truth.

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    D1 Baseball names Yeskie their Assistant of the Year.
    Surprise, the piece isn’t behind a paywall. Worth reading, discusses several of the arms slated to return next year.

    https://d1baseball.com/awards/assistant-year-osus-nate-yeskie/

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      He has done a great job. My one beef is that he has never really developed a flame throwing closer that can come in and get a couple outs. We seem to use finesse guys in that role. Gambrell has the talent if they can get him to throw strikes.

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    Can Danny and Canzano be reminded of their misdeeds everytime they post a new article? Could there be an ongoing comment section that reminds them of how off base they were anbout the entire story and why they wanted to go to print so hastily?
    If you guys do comment on any Olive articles, keep up the good work and continue to press the issue so that they show their own ridiculousness by continuing to close all comments on any of their articles.
    Not surprising that they now populate the “OliveBeaver” page with essentially Oregon Duck recruiting nonsense. Nice to see how they haven’t really covered the Carrington DUI either.

    Not much journalistic integrity left if it was ever there.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Happy birthday USA!
    To all fellow angrybeav Vets, thank you for your service. Go Navy.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Remember, there are people who woke up this morning that have no idea that today is their last day with ten fingers. Happy 4th everyone. Don’t hurt yourselves.

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        It sure sure is hard typing with only your tongue, but my occupational therapist says I’m doing great. Curse you Black Cat firecrackers!

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          Is it wrong that I kinda like visualizing a dentist who can only work with his tongue?

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      Best amphibious taxi service I ever used.

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    Question for football season ticket holders. Have da Beavs sold out their allotment of tickets for the CSU game in Ft. Collins? Wife and I are planning on driving down.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Saw that Drew Rasmussenn will be back pitching next year for OSU…

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      not necessarily, he’ll become a free agent and my bet is that a playoff bound team will sign him.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        From what I’ve read, he’s better off financially entering the draft next year because if signing bonuses and what not. A few writers are making it sound like he’ll be back at OSU, but of course nothing is official yet.

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          If both Rasmussen and Heimlich return to pitch next season – It seems to me that some of the pitchers who didn’t get much opportunity this year will transfer for playing time someplace else.

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            If they end up that stacked they should give guys rest weeks to develop a 4th starter and to keep arms fresher.

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            We should not get ahead of ourselves with assumptions about returning to OSU next season. DR could have all summer to entertain offers as a free agent. While I would love to see him back on the roster another season at OSU, I’m not sure its best for him.

            I don’t think I see DR being drafted much higher than #31, but if he was healthy he might not be low-balled next draft. Also, this is a little different than Ben Wetzler’s situation, in that DR would still be a junior next season and have leverage in negotiations, which Ben lost once he was a senior.

            IF DR and LH both return (big “ifs”), some younger players might opt to transfer for playing time. But it is fun to dream.

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            According to this register guard piece, Drew has until 2:00pm tonirrow to decide if he’s coming back, and it further confirms that Luke wants to come back.

            http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/35743430-81/oregon-ducks-pitcher-david-peterson-expected-to-sign-with-new-york-mets-before-friday-deadline.html.csp

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            Let’s not overlook the fact that if you sign with Tampa, the reward for being good or better is to get to live and work in Tampa.

            That plus a low signing offer would be enough to turn me off. Hell, the low signing offer might be a symptom of how management treats its talent. Who wants to work for someone who will constantly undervalue them?

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            Now that I think about it, why would Tampa management spend a pick on Drew if they knew they were going to do this? It’s a lousy thing to show your future talent that they would play games with their high picks. It doesn’t say good things to the talent in your system either. I don’t follow MLB enough to know front offices and how they rate. Is getting an offer from Tampa a, “thanks, but no thanks,” prospect even if they offer true slot money?

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            Tampa gets an additional 1st round pick in next year’s draft since Drew didn’t sign, so I guess they used this year’s pick to take a flier on a guy who they thought they could get for cheap, knowing they wouldn’t lose out on the pick altogether.

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          Yup, if I’m understanding this stuff correctly, Tampa Bay only offered him 40% of his slot value or 800k because of concerns about his health. KJ who was a much lower pick was offered a few thousand more than his value at 600k plus.

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        What? Why would a playoff bound team sign him? He won’t be in the majors this season.

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    Does anybody know if Brayden Kearsley is officially off the team? I get the impression he is still on campus.
    What was the back story on him leaving the team after the season? He didn’t medically retire, did he?
    Would be nice if he had a change of heart and wanted to come back and block for his hs teammate, Thomas Tyner

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      His girlfriend was in a serious car accident and he was helping to nurse her back to health?

      Something like that.

      • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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        Saw the article where it was mentioned he wasn’t on the roster during Spring ball, but I have a feeling he’ll be back. He still appears to be on campus, hanging out with Garretson, and I never saw anything official about him retiring, which the team typically announces. My guess is they gave him a leave of absence, but he will come back for fall camp, similar to that running back at Utah last year who left the team but came back mid season.
        At least that is my hope…

        https://twitter.com/D_garretson/status/875914577367543808

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          Maybe he was a 4 star high school kid because of size/athletisim and could physically smaller high school kids but just doesn’t have it at the college level? Didn’t make it at BYU, and doesn’t seem to get much mention accept by us.

          Good Olinemen are a special breed. Workhorses that never quit. Only mentioned if you make a mistake. Might not have the personality.

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          Maybe the girlfriend has recovered and is encouraging him to resume chasing his dream?

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    They liked himat BYU as a true freshman. I think an ankle injury derailed his soph year, and then he transferred during what would have been his junior year, which he redshirted.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865588935/BYU-football-notebook-True-freshman-Brayden-Kearsley-making-a-strong-early-impression.html

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    Seth Collins will be back at WR for this fall. Think that is a good move. Him and Hodgins offer some dynamic qualities when on the field together. Have to beat CSU in Fort Colli mg s to open up their new stadium with a Beaver win. No excuses. GA needs the guys to be focused and ready to pounce.

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    According to Eggers,

    “Heimlich will be back to lead a pitching corps that will include Fehmel, Freshman All-American Jake Mulholland, Brandon Eisert, Mitchell Verburg, Jordan Britton and Sam Tweedt.”

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/365405-246073-pat-casey-assesses-2017-and-2018-for-oregon-state-baseball-

    That sounds pretty definite.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      The Beavers may regain the services of one of their leaders of the past season — Rasmussen, who was chosen by Tampa Bay with the 31st pick in the draft. Tampa Bay announced Wednesday they “were unable to reach an agreement” on a contract with Rasmussen.

      The Rays would have until July 15 to get something done with Rasmussen, who now may be returning to Oregon State for what would be a redshirt junior season in 2018.

      That, and this is how poorly the O article was written:

      …Luke Heimlich, who missed the Super Regional and the CWS after revelation of a felony sex abuse charge when he was 15 years old.

      This is the most correct way to explain Luke’s story, as told by the O. He wasn’t convicted of such. But this is what people remember. And when a purse yapper like Flipper gets a hold of this intended omission of the rest of the legal proceedings provided by the very court documents the O sourced, it turns into another whole story of a felony conviction involving violence against women.

      I suppose that’s how the irrational think and act. It’s not like we should be unfamiliar with this kind of newspeak.

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        five yards for incorrect use of blockquotes

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          Self reporting may minimize the penalty. Timely editing could expunge the entire matter.

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        My understanding is that if the Rays don’t offer Rasmussen at least the slot amount (which they haven’t done yet) they will NOT get a replacement draft choice next year. I suppose they didn’t plan on paying McKay over $7 million.

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          I was wondering about that. I didn’t think the union would allow MLB to subsidize bad management. Missing out on a fair negotiation is a good bar for subsidy.

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    Worth noting, Jake Thompson and Boston haven’t agreed on a deal yet. Would love to get 1 more year of a@a checking in with angry on a daily basis about his JT opinion…

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    Prediction: Casey brings back everyone for next year with the strategy to take extra pitches and draw out games even longer while going undefeated as a statement to Meggs, NCAA, SEC, Moran & his Editor, Canzano, Greg Street, Ed Ray & Scott Barnes, Pac 12, ESPN, Larry Scott, and Anyone living East of the Cascades!

    Casey has the best motivation for any coach, it is in reality “Us against the World”. Next time Street umps a game, bring in Rasmussen to throw high heat but Adley is a bit slow on the up-reach…message delivered squarely on the chest/chin guard.

    Beavers will have the best 2 year run as far as record and team ERA in college baseball history and win it all despite the fixers at ESPN and Casey retires after next year.

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      I pretty much gave up watching NCAA baseball ever again thanks to Greg Street.

      NCAA/ESPN et al have major problems when their sport’s integrity matches the WWF. Football fans are wising up and they will be losing entire fan bases over the next 10 to 20 years.

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      Wow – print and save your prediction. We still don’t know the internal conversation between the OSU and Pac-12. Perhaps there will never be a public statement. However, there has to be a mechanism (doesn’t there?) for Casey to file a request disallowing Greg Street from ever again umpiring an OSU baseball game. The guy is a crook – airfield landing strike zone for LSU and no strike zone for Fehmel.

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    Day 10 of no reply from Barnes to my email. A contact page that doesn’t work due to a broken CAPTCHA, a department contact email that bounces, and no reply at an address I had to dig up that worked… Nice alumni/donor engagement. I don’t think they really want to engage.

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      registered mail?

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      I’m not sure what you expect.

      The limits of his answer should be:

      Thank you for your concern. The nature of competitive rule enforcement is always a concern to us, as it is to anyone. The NCAA will fine the fuck out of us if we make too loud a noise about this.

      Again, thank you for your concern.

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        I expect a reply. Any reply.

        • Bill says:
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          What did you ask?

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            Pasted the entire email in the Greg Street thread

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            I don’t see it. Can you just paste it here?

          • scotty says:
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            Hi Mr. Barnes,

            I’m writing in regards to the incompetent and biased (at best) and corrupt (at worst) officiating at this year’s College World Series. As I’m sure you’re aware, the Beavers were on the receiving end of numerous egregiously bad calls in their games against LSU. While poor officiating is common in sports, the calls in the LSU games #2 and #3 were so bad, they’ve made national sporting headlines:

            http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/19720649/2017-college-world-series-umpires-missed-chance-video-reversal-foul-ball-ncaa-says
            http://herosports.com/college-baseball/college-world-series-oregon-state-strike-call-lsu-ahah

            Furthermore, the umpire was an SEC umpire, which is a CLEAR conflict of interest in a game between an SEC school and Pac-12 school. How is this allowed to happen?

            Many of my OSU fan friends and I would like to know what the university is doing to fight such unfair officiating from happening in the future. I know I would love to see the university and conference fight for neutral officials during the post-season, for starters. We’d also like to know what is being done to stand up against rampant SEC bias in the NCAA and media, one of the worst-kept secrets in college sports. It infuriates me that our student-athletes put their heart and soul into competing their hardest, and their dreams can just be put to waste by what I and many others believe to be bias and corruption. Losing is one thing – you tip your hat to the team that beat you and move on. Not having a fair shake is another.

            It’s hard to fight for an athletic program that will not fight for itself.

            Thank you,

            [name, degrees, yada yada]

            P.S. – I tried sending this through the university’s contact page, but the CAPTCHA challenge refuses to work. The email given “[email from contact page]” does not work, either. I had to search ONID for your address – getting contact information that works is very difficult!

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            Paste his email address here so everyone can write him.

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            http://directory.oregonstate.edu/?type=search&cn=Scott+barnes&osudepartment=&mail=&anyphone=

            Who’s the deputy AD now?

  • Bill says:
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    Looks like the Beavs are gearing up for revenge tour part 2.

    Drew not signing is a huge surprise but let’s see if it was just a negotiating ploy. Deadline to sign is Friday.

  • Bill says:
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    If Drew and Luke do return next year, the Beavs will be in Omaha again. Eggers say Donahue and Cary are maybes for next year. Cary should come back, I think he’s still got potential, Donahue is going to have a tough time getting back in the lineup.

    The team next year will be very deep and very experienced. A lot of the bench guys got a decent amount of playing time so they’ll be ready to step in when injuries occur. Bullpen will be deep too.

    It’ll be pretty tough for any freshman to break into a starting role. Abel looks like the only one to make an immediate impact.

    Looking way ahead – 2019 will be a tough year. Pretty much will lose everyone of significance that year. The recruiting class that signs this fall will need to be top 10 to alleviate those losses.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Whoever predicted some of our young pitchers would transfer was correct. Scotland Church is on his way out..

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Bob/status/883145083721089026

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    There seems to be a lot of confusion about Drew’s status if he doesn’t sign:

    Jim Callis?
    Verified account
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    Getting multiple tweets re Rasmussen and potential free agency: Will depend on interpretation of @MLBDraft rules.

    And the Rays think they’ll get a compensation pick when all is said and done. I don’t know who gets to decide but you’d think it would be all figured out before now.

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      This is speculating a lot and making some assumptions. Let’s say Rasmussen and Heimlich are back. Add them to younger pitchers wanting to move from bullpen to starter. What if Yeskie decides to “platoon” his pitchers? For example, maybe Heimlich only pitches in home games (depends on fan reactions next year). Give Fehmel more time-off between starts to avoid getting worn down. Having 4 or more solid starters would be advantageous should OSU reach the CWS again. Of course, having 1 or 2 lock-down starters is important. The possibilities are many and we have to see what happens during the next six months.

      Also, having experience in the BP gives coaches confidence to pull starters earlier in games when pitch count is lower vs. extending starters to 100+ pitches because lack of confidence in the BP. This is what is happening in the majors, but colleges usually don’t have the depth to do this.

      Just the idea that the ’18 Beavers could be better (on paper) than the ’17 Beavers is crazy.

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        Don’t think he’ll platoon guys. They need 4 starters throughout the season.I think there were 3 rainouts so they got a bit lucky not having to throw innings there.

        If Luke is back, they’ll probably run him into the ground since his pro prospects are bleak. Drew will start out slow again. Fehmel will likely be the Sunday guy.

        I figure the rotation might go like this
        Luke
        Drew
        Bryce
        Kevin Abel – weekday

        Tweedt and Britton as spot starters when injuries or performance issues occur. Gambrell and Eisert looks to be candidates as well.

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          Interesting, so you’ve got Mulholland coming out of the pen? That’s kinda what I was thinking, but all the analysts I’ve seen so far seem to have him in the mix as a starter.

          Wonder if any thought is being given to changing Drew to a closer? The comments about his heat, particularly in relation to Fehmel, make me curious.

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            I would have had Mulholland as a starter if Drew signed. Drew coming back threw a wrench into some of the bullpen guy’s opportunities to grow into starters. If Luke doesn’t return, then Mulholland is very much in the mix for the Sat/Sun job.

            It’s hard to say where Mulholland fits in. His profile is a strike throwing location guy. Doesn’t have any over powering pitches, but locates above average. He’s more of a Max Englebreckt kind of guy.

            I could see Mulholland overtaking Fehmel for a starting role but having both in as starters wouldn’t be great since they are both similar style pitchers.

            Don’t see Drew as a closer unless the medical he had for the Rays showed something that encourages limited innings. His value would drop immensely if he was considered a relief pitcher only at the MLB level.

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        I believe/hope that, at least the Pac-12 coaches (Meggs excepted, perhaps), will insist their players refrain from taunting Heimlich about the particular incident. Anyone know if he’s working out this summer, and where? I suppose any kind of summer ball is out for him.

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    Thompson signed which is a good thing for him and the program.

    If he returned, there’d be quite a logjam in the rotation and stunt some of the younger guys growth.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    So here’s what I know about the draft situation for Drew.

    Tampa claims he failed his post-draft physical because of his MRI. By doing so, they are required to offer 40% slot in order to get a supplemental pick next year if he doesn’t sign. So… they thought they could get him at 40% and be subsidized for that if it didn’t work, or they are serious about his rehab and what the MRI showed.

    If they made no offer, they lose the pick and the player becomes an UFA.

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      MLB still needs to authorize the failed physical in order to award the supplemental pick, but I imagine it’s just a rubber stamp for the owners. However, the player can appeal the process in order to show he was healthy all along and should be offered full slot or released to the UFA ranks.

  • Theboneyard says:
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    50 days til beaver football!

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Fyi, was chatting with mike from beaversedge about roster/scholarship numbers yesterday, and noticed adley is no longer on the 2017 roster. Was news to mike too. Looks like he’s goi g to focus on baseball (work on his swing?)

  • angry angry says:
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    Scotty, I wrote Barnes at 2:42 and he wrote back at 2:59. The problem is he seems to be responding to someone else. I wrote him about Street and Heimlich and he wrote:

    “Um for the 3rd time we discussed 3:45 that makes us 15 to 20 min late . It starts at 5pm and takes 1:30 to get there.”

    Sounds like he’s writing to someone else and being a total douche with the “um for the 3rd time” line.
    Also, he is clearly around and just ignoring your email.
    So, fuck this guy.

    • Dansen Dansen says:
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      Obviously he thought you were someone more important. Probably doesn’t have the time to respond to us commoners. What a prick.

      • angry angry says:
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        Yes, I wrote him back and basically said that, and copied Ed Ray into the email.

    • scotty says:
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      How dare he treat a fellow Scott(y) that way!

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Um, only a total douche starts a sentence with “um”.

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        Um…wait. i take that back

      • angry angry says:
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        Agreed. Straight out of the Douche 101 handbook.

        We’ve now seen into his true personality. I love AB sometimes.

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        Only when followed by a YOLO.

    • PDX Beav says:
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      He was talking (to alumni donors?) about how long it would take to get to Willamette Winery where they had the function I believe. He met with several alumni donors hopefully opening up some checkbooks and raising support for taking Football to an upper echelon and getting the West Side rebuilt.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      That’s hilarious……The “Pittsburgh Putz” forgot who he was responding to in an e-mail???? You should have replied back “fuck you” we’re leaving at 3:45pm take it or leave it!

    • angry angry says:
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      I called Barnes out, and he wrote back:

      “Ab
      My email below was obviously not intended for you.

      This guy sucks hard cock (not that there’s anything wrong with that!).

  • Dansen Dansen says:
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    I don’t know if someone already posted it or not, but Kevin Watson signed with the Diamondbacks yesterday. Kevin Abel, however, appears to be fully committed to attending OSU.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    I’m not seeing enough to justify this level of butt-hurtedness.

    Did I miss his puppy-kicking YouTube channel or something?

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