08.Nov.2011 Tipsters on the Oregon Ducks

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Tonight I received a detailed tip alleging the University of Oregon paid for Bruce Barron. The tipster requested I go public with his tip and said angrybeavs is the first source he's contacted about this, but he also asked the details (i.e. payment amount, player's name, coach's names, etc), which were laid out in the body of the email, remain confidential for now. Hopefully he will come forward and share with the public what he shared with me.

Additionally, I received this email from an Oregon staffer over the weekend, pasted verbatim with permission:

This is a good one:

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2011/11/at_the_university_of_oregon_sp.html

He mentions pretty much everything except the fact that Kilkenny donated $500,000 to Frohnmayer's Fanconi Foundation, before and after Frohnmayer signed the secret deal.

Overall, good stuff, guys, but we need more. If anyone else has information, and is actually willing to go on the record, let's talk. The Oregonian wanted to discuss the last round of "rumors", but I couldn't speak with them definitively since nobody would go on the record. People need to speak out if they have facts and proof.

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  • JackBeav says:
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    Well, Barron’s HS and AAU teams are/were both coached by the same person. It wouldn’t surprise me given the nature of the hoops team rising to national prominence in a matter of months.
    http://www.admissionsquest.com/onboardingschools/2010/02/brehm-preparatory-school-makes-the-jump-to-high-level-basketball.html

    Are you sure it wasn’t just a “donor” from Oregon who decided to just make a “designated gift” in order to subsidize “scholarships” for the players at the school? Or is it strictly related to the AAU side?

  • JackBeav says:
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    And then there’s this:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2011/11/documents_provide_details_on_o.html

    Another take which correctly tells us in the first line why they released these documents before the biggest game of their season:
    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33197698

    • mckalk says:
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      God, they are evil!

    • KC says:
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      good spot JackBeav, I don’t think it’s evil… it’s just terrific pr… or terrifying pr.

      • mckalk says:
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        I didn’t say there weren’t smart, too smart. While the world is obsessed with Joe Pa, the Duckies will quietly slither about.

  • mckalk says:
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    Angry,

    I guess part of the confidentiality, but I’m curious…..

    Is this going back to Kent or is the Altman era up to no good already?

    • JackBeav says:
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      Barron is an Altman recruit, but it’s possible he doesn’t know anything about such goings on.

    • angry angry says:
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      Altman.
      Bruce Barron is the player, signed Dec 2010. I don’t know if Kent was recruiting him. I don’t follow Oregon hoops.

      • JackBeav says:
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        He wasn’t highly recruited. That makes this a little confusing. He’s a solid high major prospect. But he’s not all that.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Must be a scary time to be a duck fan. Everything could come crashing down at any moment so I could see why they’re a bit jumpy. Sounds like somebody hacked brandon spragues twitter acount today and started a small panic.

    http://community.statesmanjournal.com/blogs/collegesports/2011/11/08/a-brief-moment-of-panic-for-duck-fans-after-twitter-account-hacked

    • Canard says:
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      It’s not a scary time to be a Ducks fan. Rumor, innuendo and conspiracy theories aren’t going to get it done. Even in the worst possible case, the facilities are built out and the sanctions, if any, will pass. It’s too late to do anything lasting to the Ducks’ athletics efforts.

      In the real world outside of rivalry based hopes and dreams, at worst, we’ll be slapped on the wrist for exploring the gray areas of scouting services in football. The basketball crap couldn’t be anymore irrelevant than NCAA men’s basketball already is. They can DP basketball for all I care.

      If the NCAA had even the sense God gave a lllama, they’d use anything they find about their recruiting investigations into several institutions across the country in football, basketball, and baseball, and end the AAU crap, the seven on seven crap in football, and more tightly regulate university sponsored camps across all three sports, rather than go on a general crusade against all possible transgressors, real and imagined. That’s probably what will happen in reality—new rule making.

      • angry angry says:
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        I agree with some of this. The Ducks will recover if they do get sanctions.

        I disagree with the assumption that Knight will always have money to donate, but that argument would turn political in a hurry, so I’ll bite my tongue.

        Finally, basketball is meh, but the more sports infected the more it shows a “lack of institutional control”…

      • JackBeav says:
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        “… at worst, we’ll be slapped on the wrist for exploring the gray areas of scouting services in football.”

        The aptly named Canard jumps on the canard that has been driven into the ground already. Too bad it’s not true.

        When the original stories came out, it was about two individuals–Lyles and Baron Flenory. Flenory accepted money for some scouting services (which were legitimate) while simultaneously holding 7on7 competitions on Nikegon’s campus before the NCAA knew what was going on. It’s an obvious conflict of interest which was quickly shored up in subsequent bylaws passed by the NCAA. THAT was the “grey area” incident which was first reported.

        None of what Nikegon did with Lyles is grey. The rules for scouting services were in place long before this all took place, and a new set of rules were added only months prior to the worst infractions.

        What compounds the issue is the cover-up Nikegon thought they could run a year after the fact. It’s absolutely hilarious that they think the exact same material they spent a mere couple thousand dollars for two years earlier could pass for a $25k value.

        Or did we forget that Lyles only used white out on his ESS material (that the Ducks purchased in 2009) and just put his CSS stamp on it?

        There’s no grey area. There seems to only be grey comprehension.

        “Duh… ummm… no officer. This car is not the car that was involved in the hit and run the other day. You are looking for a blue car, and this one is quite obviously yellow.

        Oh… pay no attention to that MAACO receipt.

        Ok… so it is the car. But I was so drunk at the time that I didn’t even know I hit that old lady. And she’s just a liar anyway. And what’s she doing in the street… what’s that?… on her porch? Well, what’s she doing on her porch at 3am anyway?… what’s that?… four in the afternoon?

        Well, technically it’s not a hit and run since it didn’t occur on the street. Right?”

      • sparkyd73 says:
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        Even in the worst possible case, the facilities are built out and the sanctions, if any, will pass. It’s too late to do anything lasting to the Ducks’ athletics efforts.

        I’m always curious as to whether Duck fans are trying to convince themselves or if they are truly that ignorant of the way college football works. I guess that it is somewhat human nature to believe that what happens everywhere else just won’t happen to you. But, sports programs have ebbs and flows. USC, Miami, Notre Dame, Florida State, Michigan, Texas – all of these schools have expererienced the highest of highs in college football. But where are these schools this year in the national picture? All of these programs even in their lows have advantages over U of O in recruiting since they are all located in the middle of their main recruiting hotbeds. And yet Oregon fans think that they have now arrived in the elite football hiarchy never to return to mere mortal status.

        So let’s play this out, worst case being something similar to the penalty of USC – loss of scholarships and 3 year post-season ban. That ban also means that UofO would not get any real mention on ESPN and will be at best an after-thought in the national media. The first couple of years would be hard to recruit because kids want to play in the big games that mean something the next couple of years it is harder to recruit because today’s freshman and middle-schoolers will not remember the glory years.

        This is not to say that Oregon will fully go away as a national program if they are sanctioned. Ultimately, Phil Knight has done it once and it would take less this time. My point though is that all programs need to keep working at being prominent. Oregon has experienced the high of a National Championship game, but to say that their program is now just self sustaining and will not ever fall is just ignorance.

        • Canard says:
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          If we are accused of not looking at the situation and “being scared,” you are equally open to a charge of freighting every piece of “news” on this topic with your hopes and dreams that the worst will happen, along with the attendant belief that somehow our being brought low will aid your vision impaired AD.

          It’s not going to happen. We aren’t even eligible for USC level sanctions. Their sanctions were enhanced by already having been on football probation, something the Ducks are pointedly not currently mired by. There is also something to the Trojans’ charges that the COI arrayed against them had members with glaring conflicts of interest in regard to giving USC a punishment fitting its crime surrounding one player.

          At worst, we are going to be put on some length of probation, with some possible recruiting restriction,s or even nothing at all but a period where we have to keep on the straight and narrow.

          There is zero chance that they force Knight to disassociate from UO athletics. That will not happen. There is zero chance of any significant loss of scholarships in football too. If push comes to shove, the UO will happily shove basketball under the bus as violently as it takes, but there is far more smoke than fire to the rumors you guys are trying to fan.

          The larger point is that recruiting across several sports has become a swamp that needs draining. There are too many institutions embroiled in possible associations, past or present, across too many sports, with too many borderline services and personalities, for the NCAA to effectively do anything about it save but for making the rules tighter for everyone going forward. It’s all of a piece. Intermediaries need to be culled from the recruiting process, business standards for scouting services have to be established with much more clearcut guidelines. Camps serving as “combines” and touring “competitions” need to be tightly regulated or shut down altogether. Over signing needs to be ended. Junior colleges need better scrutiny to ensure that players who go that route can actually qualify to meet the NCAA minimum when transferring to a four year institution rather than having some players be “warehoused” for a school with lax academics being in a position of being among the only available exploitative rides.

          Is something along the lines of probation or slap on the wrist sanctions likely to come of the investigation into UO football? Probably. Is it going to be anywhere near the worst case scenario you guys fervently want? That is extremely unlikely, and for the wilder dreams of 30 schollies lost, totally impossible.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Your attempt to mitigate the obvious, admitted major violations is admirable. And you may be correct that the sanctions that will be levied will not rise to USC levels. But they will certainly outpace Boise sanctions by quite a bit.

            From past instances, Nikegon’s attempt to cover up the major violations is probably the worst of their known actions. But they may be absolved of that action because it was done so incompetently that a claim of no attempt to cover anything up might fly. And the accumulation of minor violations (400 texts to Lyles) might rise to the level of a major violation in itself. NCAA bylaws enacted in 2006 clearly state that much of what is known to have transpired are violations. And rules enacted in 2010 compound all that happened subsequent to their enactment. There are simply no grey areas where Lyles is concerned. And to try to paint the black and white with anything but color is a slap in the face of reason.

            We likely know very little of what Nikegon has self-reported over the last couple years. I know someone within the AD office, and there are violations which are somewhat well known here in Eugene which have not been reported as of yet. He has been forthcoming with some of those violations in the past, but he has not said word one since this whole fiasco became public in May. And I have to respect his position with this regard.

            But I don’t have to respect the culture which dictates his silence. And I don’t have to respect the “everyone does it” canard either. No, not everyone does it. But yes, the NCAA has too little manpower to investigate most except the for the most egregious actors. There is smoke all over the recruiting landscape, but the NCAA only has time to appear where there is actually fire.

            The breadth of Nikegon’s actions should lend one to think that this will take years for the NCAA to resolve the issue. And that will give rise to another issue, punishing the student athletes who years from now had nothing to do with past actions. But, as with USC, that’s not on the NCAA. That’s on the actors who refused to be forthcoming in the beginning.

            And none of it really bothers me beyond the belief that those who break rules should be punished. Those who think they are above rules agreed upon by all are just weasels.

            What does bother me is how the culture here in Eugene leads to something like this:
            http://www.uomatters.com/2010/04/what-do-gifts-buy.html

            Or this piece of crap:
            http://dl.dropbox.com/u/971644/uomatters/IAC/Frohnmayer_Kilkenny_secret_200906.pdf

            When I’m being made to pay for something, I deserve to know up front. When I’m being made to pay for malfeasance, I get angry.

          • Canard says:
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            “When I’m being made to pay for something, I deserve to know up front. When I’m being made to pay for malfeasance, I get angry.”

            Get angry then. It will be impotent.

            “Being made to pay. . . .” That was rich. I can’t remember a time, probably because there hasn’t been one, that the people of this state weren’t subsidizing Beavers athletics to the tune of millions of dollars or their past inflation adjusted equivalent.

          • JackBeav says:
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            “I can’t remember a time, probably because there hasn’t been one, that the people of this state weren’t subsidizing Beavers athletics to the tune of millions of dollars or their past inflation adjusted equivalent.”

            And we were told up front about it. Since that was the case, the AD restructured the plan from that time, and spending was curtailed across the board. On top of that, a conservative plan was put in place to pay back every dime. And there has been nothing but adherence to that plan since.

            Now that it is apparent that Nikegon has always done the same and will rise to the same monetary levels if this illegal “agreement” is allowed to stand, what do you say about not only their lies about being self-sufficient, but also their attempts to keep it a secret? Are you demanding that all this money be repaid? Will you be surprised when nothing comes of this?

            I won’t, because I know the standards of Nikegon when it comes to crap like this:

            “Quack! Quack! Quack about everyone else, but when it comes to the Ducks… meh… it’s a grey area at best. Nothing to see here.”

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Hey….Llamas are cool and seem pretty sharp for that kind of animal.

        As to UO being investigated….that aint rumor, innuendo or a conspiracy. Its a happening thing, and if the recent examples are any indication, all of Knights money wont buy them out of significant sanctions (see USC, tOSU, etc).

        If UO fans have the sense god gave a cow (now there is a dumbfuk animal), they are worried. They live for the superiority of their team, and the recent success may be voided, and the near future screwed up.

  • matt b says:
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    During the Ohio State fiasco it was reported that Pryor sold several helmuts,sets of shoulder pads and cleats. It made me curious as to whether the equipment is issued now days for the players to keep or whethor the Ohio State guys were stealing and trading the equipment for favors. A helmut has got to be worh $200 or so. It appears that the ducks have at least five different helmuts and multiple sets of pants, jersies and shoe colors. Do these become the property of the players, part of their scholarship compensation? What is the cost to the university to purchase store maintain all of the multiple costumes?

    • Canard says:
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      Whatever the cost may be, in our case, the actual equipment remains the property of the University. Every spring, we have a very well publicized “garage sale” that disposes of nearly all surplus equipment and gear that has any inherent value at all.

      Other places are evidently a lot more lax on property control.

    • helmsley says:
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      phonetically: helmut

      orthographically: helmet

  • old marine says:
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    can anyone point me in the right direction to get a critical view of Oregon STATE athletics?

    • matt b says:
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      Beavers are mediocre and thin in the kicking game. Is there any effort to recruit walkons from the existing student population to provide competition and save on scholarships? This has been done at several other schools. Some even recruit on campus for special teams guys?

  • casey cutler says:
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    Here we go again. Really, why not just sit back and relax and wait to see what comes of this specific investigation? Face it guys college sports are dirty, corrupt, and sullied by money. College sports have always been this way. This is not to mitigate any wrongdoings UofO may have been involved in but simply to highlight a broader perspective.
    I am a fervent Duck fan and unlike many on here don’t have hatred nor ill will toward our in state rival. As I’ve posted before I have watched a lot of really bad football between the Ducks and Beavs over the years and was absolutely thrilled with the C.W. a couple of years ago when it was for the Rose Bowl. But c’mon, really? More rumors? More un-named sources? Whatever is going to come out will come out.
    As I’ve written before, if you step back Beav. fan and try to look at this objectively it really doesn’t help you to have severe sanctions placed on UofO but I won’t go further on this as I’m tired of trying to defend it and will just let that thought float there for you all to vehemently disagree with.
    In the end what will come will come and getting all fired up and excited about someone else’s possible injury in no way mollifies your own. I suppose if you hurt that badly my pointing it out only makes it hurt more. As the quote goes “I just want you to hurt like I do.”
    I wish there was peace, prosperity, love, justice and goodness all over in the world but there’s not. Turn over a rock, even one in Corvallis and you’ll find some slug goo. Big business is big business and it ain’t uglier just because it’s 40 miles south of your home and your college team’s rival.

    • angry angry says:
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      I would sit back and wait, but people write me with info and ask for an outlet. This person gave real/full names, sources, and even dollar amounts, but he won’t let me share them. Eventually, someone will…

      Am I out to crucify Oregon? I don’t know. I used to admire the Ducks until I realized how badly they cheat. They’ve pushed my indignation button, so maybe I am out to get them.

      I still think Chip Kelly is the best coach in the NCAA and could win at this level even with the Beaver’s talent. That’s what makes this all so pointless. He didn’t need to go this route.

    • matt b says:
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      The topic of additional compensation for athletes is a hot topic now across the land, not just at OSU and U of O. Beaver fans should look inward as well as outward and not focus too much attention on the neighbor. But many teams are now using multiple costumes and these are probably earning a bunch of income for the universities. Yet could this be a way to funnel uncounted extra benefits and merchanidise at the same time? I am not saying that this is bad or even illegal. Creative accounting or not counting of benefits (in this big entertainment business) boosts the overall cost of education for all of us. Creative accounting needs to be exposed wherever it occurs in the public sector. Should this big entertainment business be seperated from the academic mission and run independent from each institution?

  • casey cutler says:
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    You’ve illustrated my point exactly. Do you really think cheating at UofO just started under Kelly? What standards are you using to gauge cheating? NCAA’s? Really? I hope you’ve looked into the history of that “governing” body but if not check out Sept. issue of The Atlantic and enjoy.
    My point is, is that the whole system is rife with what the common person would say is “cheating,” if you really believe in a student athlete. Let’s call it what it is and be done with it and stop the whole charade. It’s big business entertainment.
    For god’s sake people you can’t be this naive can you? Big time money has been riding the backs of college athletes for decades. It’s just expanded now and becoming more visible with the advent of increased access and media. I don’t excuse programs that say they are adhering to the rules and really aren’t. Duplicitous behavior is duplicitous behavior, but there is no clean, innocent program guys. NONE! The sooner we all accept that and begin to pay the athletes the better for all concerned. Tear it down and let the truth out.
    Continuing to give the NCAA any power at all only continues the system that is broken. Accepting sanctions, reveling in other’s sanctions only perpetuates the problem. Success brings attention and attention brings allegations, because those that have, don’t want others to share the pie. Doesn’t it seem at all odd that only now UofO is being investigated? Gosh, just when they made in roads in recruiting Texas. Huh?!?
    It’s all a game. All a sham. All big entertainment and a war of haves and have nots. I’m loving the game from UofO now, while knowing that it may go away some day. I have no answers but continue to be amazed by those who don’t see the ultimate problems.
    Enjoy the rest of the season and I really, really hope OSU rebounds and we can see another C.W. for something other than the Chik Filet Hunger Bowl. It’s been fun, never been clean.

    • brownale9000 says:
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      Casey Cutler’s rambling and flimsy post summarized: everybody’s doing it.

      My retort summarized: bullshit.

      • casey cutler says:
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        Yes, your deep understanding and insights are humbling. Thank you for reading what I’ve written with the effort in which I typed them and had hoped one would.
        It’s not that everyone is doing it, it’s what is it that everyone is doing and is it acceptable? By what metric do we measure compliance? Do we really believe in an amateur student athlete? Do we hold the illusion of college sport as some beacon of virtue? After all that has gone on over the last 70 years? Really?
        My bullshit equals your ignorance or naivete.
        I want one, just one program to say out loud that “YES WE VIOLATED MANY OF THE ERRONEOUS NCAA RULES AND WE DON’T GIVE A FUCK!” I was hoping USC would be the one but they ultimately got slapped down.
        I know, I know, too many words with too many thoughts attached so it must all be bullshit. Thanks for reading and not understanding.

    • angry angry says:
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      No, cheating didn’t start under Kelly, and yes I was naive. Not so naive anymore, but I still think it’s only the teams trying to make BCS games who cheat. The risk/reward isn’t worth it for the any team that isn’t a yearly top 40 program.

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        Wow! Huh! “Only the teams trying to make a BCS game who cheat.” Seems all are trying to make it there but I’d argue when it comes to the NCAA, all teams are “cheating.”
        Think about it. A governing body that creates a world that requires a governing body. Sanctions, and violations abound so we need the NCAA now more than ever! Step back and assess those programs that have violated rules and garnered sanctions. Did they really do something that could be considered immoral or unethical?
        Other than PSU and the sick shit that’s going on there, which has nothing to do with NCAA rules by the way, no one would be arrested for their violations. Why do we have such an issue with the way kids are recruited to colleges? Why is paying a party to bring them there so unethical?
        I’ve been headhunted for positions in companies in the past with promises of bonuses and incentives so why can’t an athlete or family member?
        Someone is afraid of applying the free market template onto college sports and I argue it is those that have the most to lose, namely the NCAA and BCS with the cadre of bowl executives thrown in.
        They all cheat dammit but do they do anything wrong? Step back everyone and look at the larger picture and try to decide if the system is healthy or sick. If it’s healthy we disagree and life goes on with petty violations and sanctions abounding. If it’s sick a diagnosis needs to be made and a mode of treatment put in place. My suggestion? Chemo. Kill the cancerous cells, be sicker for a while and hopefully come back healthier than before.
        O.K., I gotta go to work now. Can’t wait to read the comments about how I’m sanctimonious, pious, arrogant, and apologist, full of bullshit, Duck loving scum who is scared and misguided.
        Can. Not. Wait.

        • angry angry says:
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          It would make a mockery of college–you know, learning–to have multimillionaire athletes driving around an academic institution in Beamers, etc. They should allow athletes to leave earlier for the NFL if their goal is money (rather than athletics and education). I think free tuition is a good salary.

          Free markets do not exist in America. Haven’t in almost 100 years. This isn’t a BCS issue, it’s a systemic issue. So that is a pipe dream. I’m not sure a free market is what you want here, anyway—USC would club your Ducks (and the other 11 teams).

          10 National/relevant teams would not make for good football. There are about 30 relevant teams right now, and that means 3/4 of college football doesn’t matter. That’s not healthy.

          Another possible solution is the Ivy League mindset. Just eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. Let students go where they want–that’s as close to a free market as we’ll get.

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            The Ivy League says they don’t have athletic scholarships, but they sortof do. If a student has an accomplished high school record AND is a good athlete, there are considerations made in terms of college loans, grants, and specially named scholarships. By and large, I don’t think you’ll find that Ivy League athletes pay full tuition.

        • JackBeav says:
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          None of the above. Willfully ignorant? Yes.

          You can’t even say that everyone jaywalks when there’s no traffic. Your claims that they do, and further inferences that conflate your imaginative and ignorant assumption to the level of someone who drives down a one way street the wrong way while intentionally swerving to hit parked cars don’t help your case.

          I would be livid with OSU if anything like this were happening in Corvallis. I would be vocally, financially and even physically effective in my protests of such actions. If there is anything going on other than the occasional (and I mean occasional) impermissible contact, then they better be hiding that shit well (and forever). I’m well aware of what I’ve said about what I believe when it comes to others breaking the rules. I would be so loathe to be a hypocrite, that I would double my animosity toward OSU if they were to do the same just to prove a point.

          Hell, I was upset enough with Cam Collins’ head shot on Andrew Luck that I wrote to our AD and the Pac 12 office asking them to mete out an acceptable punishment. Since TJ McDonald got basically nothing for the hit on Owusu, I don’t expect any action to really be taken. But my conscience did not allow me to let that play pass as anything remotely resembling good sport.

          And that’s what we’re talking about here, just good sport. If you are a willing part of a group who has rules, but you break those rules because you think you can or because you think you need to do so for gain, then you are not a good sport. You are a cheater.

          And when you whine about getting caught with the same tired whine that has never been true and is just ridiculous on the face of it, then you become your whine.

      • Canard says:
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        This from a fan of a team whose fan base doubtlessly relished Dennis Erickson bringing in Chad Johnson, who in turn helped them get to the promised land without so much as attending, let alone completing, even one class?

        This vendetta coming from the fan of a team who employed Quizz Rodgers, who as a young man from a disadvantaged socioeconomic background, somehow owned more shoes than Imelda Marcos?

        You imagine yourselves cleaner than a preacher’s sheets. How quaint.

        • ObjCritic says:
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          “cleaner than a preacher’s sheets” sounds like a pretty low standard (albeit somewhat disgusting), and one which I think Riley’s program easily exceeds.

        • JackBeav says:
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          Quizz Rodgers two uncles, who raised him in the stead of his father, were well respected in Houston. One is not particularly wealthy, the other played in the NFL for years. You would like to say that those shoes came from where now?

          More egregious is that most of them are Nike shoes. They may be pretty, but they are a crap brand when it comes to actual use.

          • Canard says:
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            Your ignoring of the Ochocinco angle on program integrity is duly noted.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Johnson was a joke. But hasn’t the NCAA taken steps to avoid situations like this since? If not, it’s an embarrassment wherever it happens, including at OSU. Maybe the current staff would not allow this, but you are correct that something should be done at the institutional level to guarantee that no future staffs are even tempted to allow it.

  • matt b says:
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    Paying the athletes is just kicking the can down the road and solves nothing. If anything it would make it easier to cheat and make it more expensive for the fan and for the regular student who may not care a whit about football and basketball. Paying the athletes would just create more complex problems that include constitutional issues. But back to the other topic. Peeling away the layers of the onion and exposing the system to the light of day is always helpful. It may be useful to the Beavers specifically to construct an athletic budget that is both reasonable and competitive…if they learn what all of the neighbors are doing.

  • matt b says:
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    College sports do not have collective bargaining nor antitrust exemptions from the US Consitution like some pro sports. I believe that the laws would require, stipends, compensation etc. for both revenue and nonrevenue sport scholarships to be of equal value. It would be tough getting around title 9 laws and it would break the bank for all but maybe 10 Universities. Besides, the moment you set a limit of scholarship plus xxx walking money, some institution will pay xxx+1 under the table. Regardless of whether you believe in amateurism or professionalism, paying athletes only creates a larger problem times xxx that would create guaranteed lifetime employment for every US attorney.

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      I agree 100%. Spot on, really.

      I’d stop watching the sport. I might check in at the end to glance at bowl standings, but that’s about it.

  • FatDog says:
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    The latest from the “angryduck” at uomatters:
    http://www.uomatters.com/2011/11/damn-phone-logs.html
    Interesting that all the redactions are in traditional UO green and yellow instead of black and chartreuse, or grey and chartreuse, or white and grey, or white and chartreuse, or other NIKE approved colors. Perhaps they are reducktions….

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    LOL Write about rumors of UO infractions and the UO apologists come out of the closet.

    Cleaner than a preacher’s sheets…..yikes, what an image….is there a young boy under those sheets???

    Give it up, UO uberfans. There are obvious recruiting violations involving your current head coach and probably more will be found with the ongoing investigation. UO didnt hire an expensive lawyer for nothing.

    Meanwhile, OSU hacks along. To insinuate that OSU is dirty, just because the UO situation is now going public is nonsense. Show evidence.

    Bellotti was forced into the AD job and then quickly bought out, for BIG money… for some reason. Was that for known violations? Doesnt seem so, as the expensive liaison with Lyles began when Kelley came into the program.

    Kelley needed speed to make his system work best and he got it….4 star stuff from Texas. But only after Lyles was on board. So was there something already going on? With Kilkenney and Knight around, who knows.

    Anyway, … no, digging up stuff on UO and them getting sanctioned wont directly help OSU, but it should make recruiting easier if significant sanctions come down on UO, as for USC. So there is indeed a point to talking about this, besides jealousy.

    Like Jackbeav says, I also would be depressed and outraged if OSU were doing the same stuff. My take on OSU fans is they arent as wrapped up in winning, at all costs. But that is the take I get seeing the posts of UO fans. Not all, of course. Bell curve and all that….but the Bell curve isnt in the same place on the ego scale for the two sets of fans, imo.

    • Canard says:
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      You guy aren’t wrapped up in winning. . .at all.

      That’s pretty sad in and of itself.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Canard — You are either an idiot or havent been reading much of these blogs. The folks here badly want OSU athletics to WIN. But not at all costs like we see at UO.

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