14.Jan.2012 Missed Opportunities are Disconcerting

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Jonathan Smith to Boise State.

Keith Heyward to Washington.

With the latter, OSU gave no counter offer. The former, they showed no interest.

Then factor in coaches like Mike Leach. Many fans didn't want him, but it would have been nice to entertain the idea. There have been plenty of situations like that over the last few years.

By being locked in to the status quo, OSU doesn't allow their program the versatility to improve when there's opportunity. In finance, this would be like putting all one's money into an illiquid and depreciating asset, such as a home, and then having no cash to buy the Dow Jones when it crashes to 1000. Such an investor could only watch this once in a lifetime wealth-building opportunity. Maneuverability, versatility, etc are good things. My brother is locked into a house, wife, and kids up in San Jose. I live with my girlfriend in Santa Barbara, have no children, and I rent. He tells me all the time how jealous he is that I can up and go wherever I wish for whatever reason I want at any time (and I concur). OSU has locked themselves into 9+ more years of the status quo, and watching program-improving coaches pass them by or move on is very disconcerting.

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  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    San Jose huh, Cupertino? I bet he has a nice house!!!

    I agree, I am going to sell my house this year when the 3 year period is over. I have a family as well and would rather save for retirement than let this house suck up my time and money. Living paycheck to paycheck sucks. I can rent the same house for $500 a month cheaper and not be locked into anything. Of course the tax breaks will hurt me, but screw it.

    The Beavs feel like a team that lives paycheck to paycheck, some good months and then a lot of real tight months. Some good wins and gets here and there and then mostly shitty times without any plans for the future.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    No fault of yours Angry, but as the examples pile up, we return to the same topic; OSU’s status quo/lack of progressiveness.

    Would that DeCarolis & Riley gave us something new and hopeful to talk about…

    • angry angry says:
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      Well, talking about missed coaches is slightly different than talking about the current coaches ineptitude, but I get your point: there’s a time when this becomes us beating a dead horse.

      To me missing on J. Smith is a little different than Riley sucking eggs, though.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Based on the Trib story and what Jack posted, during this past week the gross pay of my “heroes” were as follows:

    Bobby D ~ $9,615.00 ($500K annual)
    Mike R ~$22,000.00 ($1,151,667. annual)
    Mark B ~ $6,933.00 ($360.5K annual)
    Craig R ~$18,269.00 ($950K annual)

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=130212662027395500

    Are OSU and the fans getting their money’s worth?

    Does Dr. Ray care about OSU athletics?

  • ean says:
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    my house payment is cheaper than rent would be.

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    Compare and contrast.

    January 14th. OSU recruits are treated to a cold grey silent campus.

    January 21st. UO recruits watch a raucous UO student body welcome the Rose Bowl Trophy victors at halftime of the UCLA game.

    Isn’t it obvious that our guys don’t get the fundamentals? A basketball game at Gill would help. JB

    • Kenny Beaver says:
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      Screw you. Didn’t you know we had a girls gym meet last night! Some guy even followed it on twitter. Can you imagine that!

      • helmsley says:
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        Not sure that’s fair. a) you didn’t need to follow it on twitter – it was live on the osu free feed. b) can you with strength and grace take a twirl on the high bars or walk the length of a 4″ beam? If you were a standout basketball or football player – wonderful – but I don’t think you need to denigrate other forms of sport.

        I didn’t watch it, but I think the OSU women’s gymnastic team deserves our enthusiasm. OSU is a university, first and foremost. It doesn’t exist for the football team alone but for all students – even those who don’t give a r’s a for formal athletics.

        • angry angry says:
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          I’d gladly take a gymnastics national title…
          OSU needs any/all prestige it can get.

          • Kenny Beaver says:
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            Given your rationale, Oregon should be proud of their Cross Country Championships. Really?

          • BeavMonkey says:
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            They should, and they are.

          • Jack says:
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            They are quite proud. That’s why Vin Lananna makes as much money as Coach Rob does.

            And that’s why the ignorant Nikegon fans laugh at OSU for not being a real NCAA D1 athletic department. I say “ignorant” because their track fans are some of the best, most knowledgeable fans I’ve ever known. Some of them have even given to OSU for the T&F facility and program because they know how important such a program is to the overall health of a university.

            I think you give football too much of your thought. Many schools are simply opting out of football since all but 22 schools made a profit on football in 2010. And that number was up from the normal 14 or less from the year before.

          • Jack says:
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            Btw… those numbers for football profitability differ from the number of overall athletic departments actually making a profit. That number is quite a bit higher, meaning that sports other than football are pushing schools to profitability at a higher rate.

            But profitability has no place in a discussion about college sports. It is a part of the overall experience for college students, and all sports deserve to be represented.

          • Jack Donkey says:
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            Actually, profitability has a lot to do in college sports.

            If an athletic department is seriously in the red, nobody wants to finance it, not the taxpayers, and not the students.

            As a student I wouldn’t want to pay significantly higher tuition for athletes to have scholarships and other cool stuff that I don’t have, like tutoring and nice facilities.

            In a private university this discussion is less valid, but still true. If a kid is taking a $150,000 loan to attend USC, he probably doesn’t want to take an extra $10,000 so that some football or basketball player can get academic help that is needed by someone who gets drunk every night in the offseason.

            The old traditional “I use sports as a vehicle to get an education I wouldn’t have had an opportunity to get otherwise” model is nearly outdated. Many football players are football majors with a minor in sociology or communications or whatever they can, with tremendous help, pass classes towards.

            I am sure there are some students that still aspire high academically, but they are not the norm at places outside Stanford.

            Please don’t rip on me and say ” look at so and so, i have read many articles about getting a 4.0 GPA majoring in Electrical engineering and Architecture with a Pre-med option”, because a few cases don’t disprove a general observation.

            In general, people don’t want to pay more themselves so that more people who have the same opportunities as them can “have it good(get a full ride to play their sport)”. We are very happy if it can finance itself, or come close, but otherwise, it is a problem.

          • Jack says:
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            Thanks for your spam. i responded on the other post, but I’ll do so here as well.

            If the true test of a collegiate athletic department is whether or not it makes a buck, then you have just shut down all but 60 programs… out of 2400 four year institutions and 1700 JUCO’s.

            Thanks for that.

          • Jack says:
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            Sorry… I see that it wasn’t another post. You decided to spam this thread multiple times. I apologize for my mistake.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Is anyone monitoring the USC message boards to see if there’s any hint as to who may have commited to them this weekend?

    • Kenny Beaver says:
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      I don’t think there are many early Saturday commitments posted for any school. Those usually show up late Sunday or even Monday. We should see how our recruiting is going tomorrow but I still wonder where all of the schollies are coming from. seems like we are already over the limit and we have about 10 more offers out there. I don’t think too many of these kids want to greyshirt when they could go somewhere else and play or redshirt. Maybe we have some non-qualifiers out there and we are going after insurance. It would not be the first time that some stud did not make it into school. Why can’t we get guys that are smart.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Guess who’s picture is on the front page of the USC Rivals site?

    http://usc.rivals.com/

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    “…“You rarely can fix your depth issues in recruiting immediately,” Kiffin said. “You have to have a plan going back two years….” http://usc.ocregister.com/category/football/football-recruiting/

    And that’s dealing with DEPTH which is less severe than the 1st string issues facing OSU!

    Here’s a little more where the above came from.

    ———
    “…So it’s safe to say that left tackle and D-line depth are among Lane Kiffin‘s biggest concerns heading into signing day and spring football. But Kiffin believes the Trojans have a handle on at least one of those issues.

    USC signed five defensive linemen last year and played only one of them. (Ironically, the only player who didn’t redshirt was the least touted of the bunch, J.R. Tavai.) That was part of Kiffin’s master plan for repairing a depleted roster.

    “You rarely can fix your depth issues in recruiting immediately,” Kiffin said. “You have to have a plan going back two years. We tried to sign a bunch of defensive linemen knowing what was coming. … Hopefully with the guys we redshirted and signed last year, we’ve fix that.”…”
    ——–

    Are OSU and the fans getting their money’s worth?

    Does Dr. Ray care about OSU athletics?

    • osu2008 says:
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      Dr. Ray does not care about athletics. He is a “head in the sand” type of guy who focuses more on diversity at the university than other issues. I am a current OSU student in a graduate program. When I started my bachelor’s degree at OSU in 2003, I was coming in as Paul Risser was just leaving. He is sorely missed as a university president because he was “in the know” about all things at the school, including athletics. Tim White was the interim president and would have been an excellent hire to replace Risser, but he also left and is doing really well at the school he’s at now. I really liked Dr. Risser because he was no nonsense, particularly with athletics and wanting to see students succeed in college.

      I really credit him with hiring Dennis Erickson because he was willing to take a chance on a proven coach that had some baggage, much like Washington St just did with Leach. Riley would not be here if Risser were still here. 5-7 and 3-9 would not be acceptable. DeCarolis would be gone too for the way he has handled things with the pissant marketing department and the long-term contract extensions. I have been to some basketball games this year and Dr. Ray looks uncomfortable at these events when he has bothered to show, like he would rather be researching economics or whatever he is an “expert” in. The only notable things the guy has done since I came back to school is build an international student only dorm and try to expand the school, which has not come without controversy. I really wish he would retire and ride into the sunset, taking Riley and DeCarolis with him. I am not renewing my football tickets because of the lack of concern that is taking place and I think the university president needs to also be held accountable.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    It was a dream to be recruited by SC.

    “…As long as he can remember, offensive lineman Isaac Seumalo (Corvallis, Ore.) has wanted to play for Oregon State. It was also a dream to be recruited by USC and the lineman will take an official visit to check out the Trojans this weekend….”
    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/colleges/usc/post?id=1322&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fblog%2fcolleges%2fusc%2fpost%3fid%3d1322

    I won’t be surprised if he jumps at the offer, in part because I’ve seen it happen so many times over the years.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    USC thinking of Seumalo as a center?

    Is that where he’d be best suited?

    I can see that as a great recruiting hook “we have enough talent so that we can play you where you’re best suited and you’ll have the opportunity to develop your skills to the fullest. Whereas if you play for XYZ you’ll have to play out of position and thus not be able to develop the skill set you’d need at the next level”.

    http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/archives/2012/01/just-visiting.html

    “…Here are some of the recruits visiting USC this weekend: safety De’van Bogard, offensive tackle Kyle Dodson, tailback D.J. Foster, cornerback Tracy Howard, offensive tackle Andrus Peat and center Isaac Seumalo….”

    Some of the sites have him categorized as “just visiting” so let’s keep our fingers crossed.

  • Jack says:
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    Where was that Arizona team when we played them? That had to be some of the worst basketball I’ve watched in a long, long time. I’m thinking of calling Directv and asking them to rebate two hours of my bill for this month so I can recoup my wasted time.

    How do you hold your opponent to 25 second half points and lose?

  • BeavMonkey says:
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    To be entirely fair, SC would likely play Seumalo at BW. Benchwarmer.

    If you had any idea of how much talent SC has wasted over the past 10 years, just look at all the 5* players they have recruited.

    Then look at how many went on to have football careers or have a good shot at it.

    The percentage is low. Really low.

    Perhaps if Riley was intelligent he might have showed Seumalo this. But of course, I doubt he did. That would be impolite.

  • Jack Donkey says:
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    Actually, profitability has a lot to do in college sports.

    If an athletic department is seriously in the red, nobody wants to finance it, not the taxpayers, and not the students.

    As a student I wouldn’t want to pay significantly higher tuition for athletes to have scholarships and other cool stuff that I don’t have, like tutoring and nice facilities.

    In a private university this discussion is less valid, but still true. If a kid is taking a $150,000 loan to attend USC, he probably doesn’t want to take an extra $10,000 so that some football or basketball player can get academic help that is needed by someone who gets drunk every night in the offseason.

    The old traditional “I use sports as a vehicle to get an education I wouldn’t have had an opportunity to get otherwise” model is nearly outdated. Many football players are football majors with a minor in sociology or communications or whatever they can, with tremendous help, pass classes towards.

    I am sure there are some students that still aspire high academically, but they are not the norm at places outside Stanford.

    Please don’t rip on me and say ” look at so and so, i have read many articles about getting a 4.0 GPA majoring in Electrical engineering and Architecture with a Pre-med option”, because a few cases don’t disprove a general observation.

    In general, people don’t want to pay more themselves so that more people who have the same opportunities as them can “have it good(get a full ride to play their sport)”. We are very happy if it can finance itself, or come close, but otherwise, it is a proble

    • Jack says:
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      That’s the point. We’re happy if all these sports can break even. And making wise choices with money is always a must. But profit is not what drives collegiate sports. There is potential for profit in some of those sports, and schools need to take advantage of that if they can. But most don’t have a chance to even see black. Like I said, only 22 football teams were in the black a year ago. And that was up from 14 the previous year… and less in years previous.

      I also found this article interesting.
      http://www.holyturf.com/2011/05/football-players-receive-17000-annually-in-cash-all-within-ncaa-rules/

      I’ve always known these things to be true, but I find it interesting that it takes a former insider to explain it in such simple terms.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Any one have a stream link for tonight’s game?

  • angry angry says:
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    If Harbaugh isn’t the epitome of a coach’s attitude mattering…

    • osu2008 says:
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      “Who’s got it better than us? Nobody!!” — Jim Harbaugh

  • Jack says:
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    Coach Rob has to set up a play for Collier cutting to the rim. When he gets it at the side post, he’s wide open.

  • Jack says:
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    Why Berto for Collier?

  • Jack says:
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    We’re getting a ton of good looks and hitting nothing. Flat would be good right now. We should be leading by about 15 right now.

    The nice thing is that the rim will get softer as the game wears on, but ASU’s defense will also. These shots will start falling.

  • Jack says:
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    Wow!

    Moreland goes out and the lane opens up.

    Surprise!

  • Quatre Quatre says:
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    What did Angry call this team? Dipshittery and loserdom if I recall correctly? I’m sure the Beavs choke this game away by five points or so after they let some player who’s done nothing all year torch them for 20+. I’m getting hard pressed to see where the Beavs get enough wins to get the seven I was hoping for, doubt they reach it without this one.

  • angry angry says:
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    Game thread up.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Darren Thomas enters draft? This surprises me:

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=132660783102615500

    I expect he has some of the usual concerns going from a spread offense to NFL, throwing ability, playing in the spread, taking snaps from directly under center, etc. Maybe he figures the style of play of people like Newton and Tebow are opening doors for him?

    Chip will still plug and play better than Riley ever could at QB. Yeah I know, a lot of its the system, but that’s part of the point too.

  • alex says:
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    Imo bryan Bennett is a better qb anyway. He was scary good when he played last year. More bad news for the Beavers…

    • Jack says:
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      imo, Mariotta is awesome, and BB is better than DT.

      But we will get to see all this play out in the future… maybe.

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