03.Apr.2012 Spring Ball/General Discussion (& Happy Birthday to Me)

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Tonight's topic is…me.

Well, April 3rd. Proud to say I am not yet part of the complacent, septuagenarian fan base (no offense to oneoldbeav–you're one of the best, buddy) that infests this program!

Feel free to discuss anything you want. Spring practice begins tomorrow, so there's that. Can't you feel the excitement in the air? /sarc

I'm sure I'll make a dedicated thread for that topic once we hear some feedback. Hopefully Silverstream checks in again this year.  Alright, random hodgepodge post ends now.

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  • slamadam says:
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    happy birthday dude. as riley woud say, hip hip HOORAY!! my two predictions for spring ball- the offense will get next to nothing accomplished with the diminished offensive line (i gotta think it must be pretty damn bad for the spring game to be canceled because of it) and by the end of it we’ll all know what a beast DJ welch is.

  • Will Overhead says:
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    Who’da thunk it? Happy Birthday, Angry.

    Spring ball? I can only assume you mean the spring ball game. Current thought: I hope Danny Hayes is back in the lineup soon.

    (The disappointment that is football can wait until the fall, thank you very much.)

  • osbeavs says:
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    One year closer to sitting for an entire game and sayin’, “golly gee we are playin’ football, isn’t that great?”

    Why don’t we get two fatasses from campus to be walk-ons for spring ball just to host a game? It’s not like it would be anything different than the past, except they wouldn’t actually be starting a pac-12 game.

    • helmsley says:
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      Some disparate items which will ultimately lead to a reply to osbeav and OL fatass walkon possibilities.

      There is in northern Montana, a railroad town – Havre. Therein resides Montana State University – Northern. If you think that sounds a bit like Siberia, you aren’t too far off. However, in the past couple of weeks, one of their graduated football players – Will Andrews – coming off 9 weeks at ATP in Texas, has caused a bit of a stir with his combine results in Detroit.

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1111173-montana-st-northern-lb-will-andrews-pro-day-results-top-most-from-nfl-combine

      The MSU-N football coach is Mark Samson. He was a terrific high school, championship-winning coach. I’ve no idea how he ended up on the Montana hi-line. He is Bobbie Petrino’s brother-in-law. A few years ago, BP’s son, Nick, was sent to MSU-N because of personal issues. Mark Samson had the guts to dump his nephew from the team when the personal/drug issues continued. Nick Petrino is now a graduate assistant at Arkansas.

      Now I’m getting to the OL part. The MSU-N website lists a Cody, Wyoming, 2012 recruit: Offensive tackle Dustyn Kluksdhal, 6’5″ – 295. No football video that I could find, but apparently he’s a shotputter and discus person. I doubt he’s a very good football player, but if the Beavs OL is as bad as everyone predicts . . .

      • osbeavs says:
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        That is exactly the type of person I am referencing (I think I have heard you talk about this person before). My fatass term was more sarcasm than derogatory. I knew a few students while I attended OSU that could’ve walked-on (most of them OL). OSU usually turned them away for some unknown reason.

        I think this would be the perfect opportunity for OSU and these players. Essentially its a win-win scenario. We have available roster spots for walk-ons (that we can cut anytime, say fall-camp when the scholarship players arrive) and the walk-ons are looking for an opportunity to get a look. Most walk-ons (of this caliber) would be happy to claim their collegiate football experience. While very few would ever have the opportunity to occupy a real roster shot, what does OSU have to lose? They would be able to hold a spring game and get a free look at just a couple more guys who might contribute to the practice squad.

      • helmsley says:
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        oops – should have been 9 weeks at API – Athletic Performance Institute, not ATP (whatever that is)

        • osbeavs says:
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          Adenosine triphosphate, the major energy carrier in the body. I think it would be an interesting acronym to use for a sports facility.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Neat, Happy Birthday Angry. I hope you find your identity this year.

    • osbeavs says:
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      That would be one of those deals that happens half-way through the year.

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    Happy Birthday!

    I don’t want to ruin the big surprise but there may be one of those new “real big deal” tee shirts headed your way! The rumor all over campus yesterday was that they had actually sold one. JB

    PS: I know that I promised to be available anytime for an interview, but today I need to have the tires rotated and my wife says I need a haircut, might be unavailable for an hour or two… sorry.

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t want to ruin the big surprise but there may be one of those new “real big deal” tee shirts headed your way!

      hahah
      sounds like a good deal for my dumpster.

  • mckalk says:
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    Good deal on your b-day Angry. I hope some neat stuff happens for you today.

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    Between the two, I’d rather be septuagenarian than complacent.
    Further, how can someone be complacent and a fan? I guess you’re talking about those who donate and have season tickets but sit on their hands.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Happy Birthday Angry, hope your gal sets aside the cooking blog long enough to fix a special meal. Maybe some of those Yukon Gold spuds.

    As to the septuagenwhatsyamacallit remark, not there yet! But closing in, Best Regards.

    oob

  • bigusdicus says:
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    several sorces are stating today that the next recovery stopper is student loan debt……..didn`t angry point that out awhile back……..happy birthday,enjoy your neat day…..

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      The first class they should teach at any university is, “If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it”.

      • Jack says:
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        Here you go. You can write to the players most responsible for the predatory “student” lending and suggest this yourself.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_for-profit_universities_and_colleges

        I only provide the list because it is SOOOOO easy to find the contact info for each and every one of them. And once you’re done being solicited to go to their “schools” you can explain to them your proposal. Of course, once you bring up money they will again solicit you with loan options. So after four hours of circular frustration with each of them, you’ll just be back where you started.

        But hey! You would have tried.

      • steveEbeaver says:
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        They should teach that in high school.

        • Jack says:
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          That would be an elective, and high schools can’t afford electives anymore.

          Besides, the banking industry would lobby against anything even semi-reasonable. Who would they make their money from if people were actually ejumicated?

          • osbeavs says:
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            The demographic that provides the largest profit margin are also the highest risk individuals. They pay the most interest and never actually get out of debt. Rich people pay off their debt limiting the flow of cash.

          • Jack says:
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            This is true in student loans. That demographic was actually the most stable during the housing bubble. One of the two demographics most susceptible to predatory lending in that case was those who were not in need of sub-prime lending but were not well enough “to do” to realize they didn’t need the scheme to purchase. And the biggest default demographic was the actual well to do who were driving the market with investment purchases but protected from personal liability by corporate personhood. Let your listed corporation go under, and your personal liability goes away.

            That’s why student loans can’t be forgiven.

          • osbeavs says:
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            Agreed. I re-read my statement, hopefully it didn’t come off as rich & elitist (of which I am neither). I more mean to imply that the poorest are the most susceptible to predatory loans while having the least ability to escape (just as you said).

            I think what is more interesting than real estate is personal debt via credit cards. Credit cards have much higher interest rates and less regulation. The strangle hold that lenders have on people is incredible. While I agree with Angry’s sentiments of working hard to pay down your debt, I think that the poorest often happen to be the least educated and thus the least able to foresee the predatory practice.

          • Jack says:
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            I knew what you were saying. I just wanted to clarify and differentiate the demographics involved in known bubbles. Student loans are similar in structure, but those who default are different because the predatory practices of lenders is very similar to credit card lenders.

            And blaming your standard four year public college for the inflation of tuition, room and board over the last 15 years is just dumb. For-profit universities are the first to blame. They supply more than 60% of all student loan defaults, and that number rises every year. They provide useless degrees to people who otherwise would not have sought them if they weren’t contacted off the same call sheets credit card lenders use. For-profit “schools” have marketing departments who call prospective students “leads” and contact them by cold-calling them. And 90% of those who attend these debt factories receive 100% of the financial aid available to them. Worse than that, they spend four years doing so without the realization that after “graduation” they will be lucky to get the same jobs they had before they decided to attend “school” full time.

            The second group of schools to be blamed are the diploma mills. Some are well-meaning but poorly run (Chicago State). Some are former vocational/tech/comm colleges who saw an opportunity about 20 years ago (when lending practices were deregulated) to suck public funds into state coffers by acting as the for-profits do (Utah Valley). Some are private religious “schools” who promote whackadoodle degrees because all those sciency schools are wrong… and hard to get into (Oral Roberts… University? Really?).

            I pick on ORU because its tuition is 20K per year; it accepts just about anyone who applies to it; it’s six-year grad rate is about 50%; it’s small; it’s a pretty poorly rated degree. In other words, it’s the Harvard of whackadoodle schools, only it costs not so much more than others who operate on the hybrid whackadoodle/for-profit model (Liberty) with gobs of under-educated non-graduates incurring debt every year.

            Your standard four year institutions are guilty of being under-funded during a run-up in costs. That makes them go to funding mode instead of focusing on their missions. If anything, the most guilty are the private institutions who equate cost with prestige. Their arms race to stupidity veiled the for-profit/diploma mill/whackadoodle lobby efforts for banking deregulation in student loans. Now the cost of OSU is almost four times what it was when I was in school (compare that to X4 for private schools, X3 for medical costs (the next bubble) or X2 for the CPI). Now throw in referendums like Prop 13 or Measure 5. Add the boom and bust of a deregulated monetary-based economy. States have no choice but to defund everything they once provided, passing the cost to the consumers of these services instead.

            These bubbles are the hidden taxes we once didn’t have to pay. Get used to them. They are what anarchy does to the market. Large bureaucracies exist in the form of corporations as well as government. The only difference is that they have a profit-motive, and that motive turns into a thirst if unchecked.

          • Jack says:
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            * X3 for OSU tuition

          • numbers says:
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            Think I can claim my wife’s 12% student loan on interest 1040 Schedule A line 20… Casualty and Theft Losses? We topped out at the $2500 deduction limit on 1040 line 33.

          • Jack says:
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            If your MAGI is higher than $75k, you can deduct a lot more than the $2500 allowed. That, the ridiculous rates allowed and that the principal can only be deducted during the calendar year spent makes student loans a baby-boomer scam. Ask them how much they paid for school… in the era of free school based on merit.

            I almost don’t feel sorry for that generation losing their pensions to banking/broker deregulation. And now they want to steal from the now generation in order to supplement their own greed. I know it’s a gross generalization that I hold disdain for the “I got mine, fuck you” generation. But they fuck themselves and still hold on to the antiquated sentiments which made them marks in the first place. What the hell is wrong with this country?

          • angry angry says:
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            My parents are baby boomers, so I hate hating on them, but yeah I have to agree with all that (in general)…

          • Jack says:
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            I know what you mean. My father was one who believed all that crap about buckling down and nose to the grindstone. Then after 22 loyal years he was dropped like a penny in a wishing well for some half-witted kid with less than half the knowledge in his field (orgo) and much less than half his salary.

            He got over the “values” instilled in him by his father REALLY fast. He made money as a consultant until he figured out that his time could be charged at five times the rate he was making if he charged it as a lawyer. So he went and got a law degree.

            He doesn’t mind that I generally “hate” the baby-boomers for their mismanagement of our country. He thinks they’re all either cons or rubes.

          • numbers says:
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            Yeah Jack, I work the many many non-student loan deductions that our agi ends up way lower. But it’s a sham that those who can least afford it aren’t able to utilize student loan deductions, but at the same time I’m not limited on my million dollar home loan deductions. I’d say we are way off topic but its a college we support and college loans are a big deal. I personally love most of your politic/economic views.

      • Jack says:
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        And i thought we lived in the greatest country on earth. Isn’t college a bootstrap? Isn’t this the land of opportunity for anyone who wishes to seize it?

        You can’t possibly be saying that upward economic mobility is non-existent in this country and always has been. Can you? That would mean that politicians have lied to us. That would mean that economic mobility has had a downward trend for 30 years, and all our names are Ben Dover.

        We’re getting dangerously close to seeing reality here. Maybe we need to go bomb another country? That would get the jingo juices flowing again.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    OT baseball news, Stanford beat St Mary’s last night 9-8 in 12 innings. Quite a game as Stanford scored 5 in the b9 to tie the game. St Mary’s gave up 2 BB in the inning and Stanford scored 3 of the runs with 2 out. Their third baseman pitched over 3 innings of shutout baseball (caught a breather at one point and went back to 3B for an inning) and was one of 8 pitchers used by Stanford. Last time I checked they used 23 players in all.

  • angry angry says:
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    ps. regarding birthday, thanks doods.

  • progressivebeav says:
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    ESPN on Poyer:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/60300/poyer-mellow-off-the-field-dangerous-on-it

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Tnx for the link. Here is one takeaway:
      Riley on Poyers competitiveness, “Being around someone like that is contagious.” Wow, maybe we should be lobbying to get Riley to open up a room in his home so he can be around Jordan more!

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Angry
    Good to hear that you are still alive. There was an article in today’s obit section that said an Angry Beaver was found dead in his bed with a smile on his face. According to the medical examiner, there was a Viagra prescription bottle next to the bed and ample straight up evidence that the victim had been dead less than 4 hours.
    Happy b-day.

  • angry angry says:
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    Richie Harrington for QB.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Kendall Rogers ? @KendallRogersPG In case you missed it earlier today, our first #collegebaseball projected field of 64 (as of today’s RPI) is out: http://bit.ly/HdTA6K

    He has us as a #1 hosting but not in the national #8 seeds, Arizona and Ucla are in the top 8. We would be matched up with Kentucky.

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      Wouldn’t mind that matchup. Beavers can still be a national seed, just need to win every series from here on out and try and win the Pac-12. Arizona has been like the Beavers were last season. They’ve got a lot of breaks and everything is going their way, they’ll have a couple weeks where the breaks aren’t going their way, hopefully the Beavers can capitalize then. I think it will be Arizona, Oregon State, Stanford and UCLA fighting it out for the conference title.

    • angry angry says:
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      That would be a pretty easy regional. It’s way too early to project regionals imo.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Of course it is too early. Doesn’t hurt though. I don’t really pay attention to who’s hosting, who’s a national seed or seeding in general. I think about it at the beginning of May.

  • angry angry says:
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    Brandon Bennett undersized. Ruh roh.

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      That’s the new standard, not undersized.

      Tragically lose Thompson, and NO jc help at DT. Still amazes me.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    OT: Happy Birthday, AB…when Santa Barbara gets boring (ex VC guy here)-Bend is always a nice telecommute type of town

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Wilkerson gets the start against UP today. Keyes at 3B, Tommasini odd man out.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    @Pnbuker Post-practice housekeeping: DT Desmond Collins (broken foot, hoops) had surgery will be ready for season. The three suspended DBs …

    ..Marable, Martin, Cummings, all back. Cummings susp. lifted before spring break needs to hit books harder. Martin (DUII, eluding) still…

    .facing court date. “Got him set up with some community service things he’s got to do, at a minimum,” said Riley. .. also, two other …

    …disciplinary moves as frosh DE Akeem Gonzales and frosh WR Tyler Trosin are bumped from spring practice (team rules violation)

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    Trosin with a rough start to his career. I had big expectations of him.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Interesting to compare the regional media’s attention to UO and OSU spring football practice. Look at the difference in coverage of the Beavers and Ducks:

    No OSU football article in Portland Tribune:

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/index.php

    and the ratio of duck football:Beaver football articles in the Oregonian:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/

    I recognize the Ducks are off a rose bowl victory season, and have offensive stars (Barner, DAT) and reasons for QB optimism, and fewer “questions” than do the Beavers. And the Beavers can’t scrimmage due to a lack of Oline depth. I also recognize its early, but given that this 2012 is critical for Riley, and 2013 (when the youth excuse won’t play anymore) almost certainly do-or-die (I hope), I wouldn’t think that the lack of interest and attention in and for OSU in regional media would be so low.

    Also noticeably absent is any indication of any cloud or pall hanging over the ducks with NCAA inquiry results in the making.

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      “Also noticeably absent is any indication of any cloud or pall hanging over the ducks with NCAA inquiry results in the making.”

      Nike has been busy designing Arena league uniforms for the NFL. Because of this, they haven’t had much time lately to help the NCAA design a punishment for the Oregon football team re:Willie Lyles. Now that the NFL uniforms are finished, they can get back to work collaborating the the NCAA.

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        They didn’t do much different.

        The black pants for Cincy and the red pants for the Cards are lousy. I’m going to have to stop being a Seahawks fan just because of their new unis, which are worse than the all green ones they trotted out previously. Does Paul Allen forget to put his glasses on when he makes these choices?

        The NFL rule is that a team can only change once every five years, so nobody else made any changes.

        And that’s where I’m once again confused. Didn’t the Chargers change in 2007? Wouldn’t that make this the year they can change back to at least vertical bolts on the shoulders? That horizontal look just plain sucks. Nike can score big by making those bolts vertical again… and making the powder blues standard. That would almost balance out the puke job they did on Seattle.

        And can they please talk Denver into losing their pointy stripey joke of a uni?

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Speaking of cloud or pall, has anyone heard any concern or acknowledgement that U of O may have done anything wrong from their fans. Any Duck fan I’ve talked with, and anything I’ve read just is a complete denial and minimization of what happened. They’re also so certain that there won’t be any significant consequences.

      I like to think that if it was same thing a OSU, that we’d at least give a little ‘whoops’ or ‘that wasn’t good’ and have some anxiety about the outcome.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxOJ9cuZEwA&list=UUIispqS6c6QA1lsIug7eaog&index=1&feature=plcp

    Fluff piece about Day 1 of Oregon State Spring practice with Riley interview at the end. Lots of neat stuff in there. Everything is positive and looks good, no sense of urgency. Riley seems pleased as punch with this team.

    Trent Bray make an appearance at one point. Good to see him back.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      And what would a sense of urgency look like? Threats? ultimatums? Teeth gnashing? Sobbing about only 3 wins?

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        Well, if this article is accurate, something like this would be a good start, although it wasn’t conveyed by the day 1 practice video. I’d much rather have Riley set the tone on day 1 rather than glossing over everything with the typical ho-hum comments he’s known for. Did you see the word “intensity” in there? Haven’t seen that before in a Spring Practice report unless it was preceeded by “lack of”.

        http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/04/day_1_of_oregon_state_spring_f.html

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          I did see the words ‘an intense Riley’ in the title. Is that what you mean?

          Do you follow other college teams? Ho-hum comments is typical for about 96% of them.

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            “intensity” was in there too, just gotta look for it.

            you’re right, the status quo should be enough for this team to show some improvement.

          • Jack says:
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            Jim Mora
            http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/60338/jim-mora-ucla-get-rolling

            Not ho-hum.

          • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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            UCLA must be the 4%. The other 96…. just a bunch of ho-hum

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            We’re not talking about accepting status quo, we’re talking about ho-hum quotes from coaches. A coach getting hoarse and running around is ho-hum to me. I saw that when I played football in middle school. A lot of people in here want to pick what they see as positive coaching attributes and wish that Riley had all those qualities rolled into one. I can understand we Beav fans wanting that because we have to come to some sort of emotional resolution after two losing seasons.

            Here’s the no. 1 chipster after today: “the kids had great energy…..There has to be some sort of cooperation going on”. ho-hum..zzzzz

          • Jack says:
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            We’ve been talking about this for years here. It’s a point of having a purpose, an identity formed by strong leadership. Are we not allowed to have a coach with an iron will, one where a sharp breath of excitement rises in all who witness his words or actions?

            He doesn’t have to be Stoopid or a “kid in a candy store” giddy. In fact, I would prefer the calm, strong silent type who could kill with a look. We don’t get any of it.

            Until now? Maybe?

            All we’re asking for is a coach who doesn’t look like he’s going to cry or is off telling jokes with his buddies when something he’s paid millions of dollars to do is not happening. We don’t want a coach who tells us three games into the season that we’re still searching for our identity.

            Was he a C- sociology grad at Alabama? He sounds like he gives out trophies to all the players after each game and tells them nobody kept score because the fans didn’t want to hurt the players’ feelings on either side.

            At least show a strong, silent resolve… a determination on the sideline that anyone who dares question his orders will die a quick, painful death. Show that failure is not rewarded with continued attempts to fail. Make everyone know what your team’s identity is when you walk in the door… at any moment during the year… without saying one word.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            What trophy did he give Katz?

          • Jack says:
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            Apparently someone didn’t watch the Wisconsin game last year. If anything points to the wishy-washy mentality of our kind leader, didn’t that? Solid, resolute leadership was obvious in that game.

            No?

          • Jack says:
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            Consider this: I linked a bunch of uniform posts by the same writer (one I don’t necessarily appreciate or agree with) for a reason. Perception is not always reality, but it does lend to the overall identity of a program. All I linked spoke of excitement, urgency, fun, etc…. Now check out this link.
            http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/36828/spring-update-oregon-state

            Undeserved? Please explain.

          • Jack says:
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            David Shaw
            http://espn.go.com/blog/stanford-football/post/_/id/6154/where-does-david-shaw-rank-among-peers

            Second to last paragraph says it all, but he also has the expectation to win games if you read the middle section.

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            Well, Colorado barely counts as a team, so I can see how Bendbeaver likely didn’t include them in his 96% calculation.

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            Jon Embree
            http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/60341/bakhtiari-sees-chemistry-urgency-with-buffs

            Fourth to last paragraph puts whole article (including headline) into context.

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    From the Oregonian

    “The Reser Stadium and Pac-12 logos will be similar, although rotated to face the press box. Because the timing of the installation (contractually) will precede a final output by the Nike Graphic Identity process, the main logo and end zones will be painted for the 2012 season. A permanent logo and end zone graphics will be installed prior to 2013.”

    New logo and endzones come 2013

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    Happy Birthday Angry……. The only thing wrong with coming into Spring practice this year is we the team is still being led by Mike Do Nothing Riley. Mark my words.

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