30.Jul.2012 General Chat

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I'll probably keep this topic up until fall camp starts and there's more to discuss (unless anything interesting pops up between now and then).

Some things I'm pondering: why is the Oregon media so lame? Why do Beaver fans misspell so many words, and why do they mix homonyms (it's painful to read comment sections on O-live)? Who will supplant Colin Kelly (he's so bad!)? How will we mentally cope with another year of Reuben Robinson, and will the media continue to talk this guy up as a viable P-12 talent because they're too nice to tell it like it is? Anthony Watkins has gotten a free pass–he never plays the ball, and as of today he's a starting safety (I say give Zimmerman a shot!). How will I pay for the P-12 network (running out of time to find a good scam)? Etc.

Discuss any of these or anything you'd like.

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  • KC says:
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    It’s a great day to be a beaver… supposedly. Who is it?? https://twitter.com/Coach_Riley/status/230033306694070273

  • SadBeaver says:
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    Disclaimer: I can’t and won’t condone illegal activities.

    That being said, find a good friend with the network and something like this might work well for you Angry:
    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57457466-221/belkin-debuts-slingbox-competitor-tv-plus/

    • angry angry says:
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      What if I were to split the bill with the person who ordered cable? Say, give them $10 a month for all the football I watch (I don’t watch anything else). Is that really illegal? When I had a roommate, I did that with him for years.

      • Sad Beaver says:
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        My guess is the subscriber agreement prohibits this outside of a “household”. *shrug*

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Here’s an interesting read on recruiting from Sporting News via OregonLive:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2012/07/oregon_ducks_popular_among_hig.html

    Apparently “Sporting News surveyed 102 prospects in the class of 2013—all of them with at least four BCS-level scholarship offers, 30 of whom appear in the Sporting News 125.”

    “4. Would you rather be recruited by a father figure or a “cool best friend” type of guy?

    Answers

    Father figure: 40

    Cool best friend: 31

    A coach who could be a little bit of both: 16

    It doesn’t matter if it’s a school I want to go to: 3

    I’d want to have one of each type on the staff: 2

    Someone who will be honest and be himself, whether it’s a father figure or a friend: 2”

    Guess Riley doesn’t compete well against other “dads”…..

    • slamadam says:
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      what’s your point? are you implying that riley falls into one of these categories? surveys like this suggest nothing 99 percent of the time.

      • Jack says:
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        This one suggests that most recruits are just looking for a smoke “cleanse” from most coaches. Sark and Fink don’t just do it for their health.

        Speaking of Fink… OT… it sounds like USC may be in trouble for dealing with Silas Redd. I haven’t heard the details yet, but how easy is it to violate NCAA rules when those rules were suspended for PSU players?

        Wtf Fink?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I recognize the small sample size limits the value of the responses, I just thought it was kind of funny because Riley is often characterized as a “father figure” and a coach who seems to prioritize “player growth” or individual development (“he’s a neat story”) over winning. So I do think in the collective opinion (at least from on-line sites) he’s considered a father figure type of coach.

        That highly ranked recruits often spurn OSU suggests that if they want “father figure” type coaches, they prefer one who can win and get to bigger bowl games.

        I think Riley takes the “neat story” approach because he’s willing to settle for third place; rather than admit that he doesn’t have the confidence to think he can lead his team to a Pac-12 championship (which I think is the case based on his unwillingness to state any clear goals) he takes his “victory” in the “neat story.” In so doing, he hasn’t lost, because he’s met the true expectations that he’s settled on.

        • hellobeavers says:
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          I wish Angy had not put up that blog post about Mike Riley’s use of the word ‘neat’. Why is this such a big issue for you?

          A head coach who prioritizes player growth and individual development – hopefully turning these kids into productive members of society – is not to be frowned upon.

          Besides, this is how most people from small towns in Oregon speak.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Why aren’t Akuna or Jashwa James being given a shot in the middle, they’re listed at 249 and 251 lbs respectively. The middle needs some beef/speed because it sure isn’t at DT.

    If Akuna has some limitations on the outside (coverage?) why not give him shot in the middle? I’m not down on Unga, I think he’s serviceable, but its been sometime since the Beavs had a MLB of any real note.

    It seems like these two guys are decent-sized kids that might just fill up the depth chart on the outside. I’d rather see them get some reps because the default will be Robinson.

    • Jack says:
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      James was the MLB on the scout team. So I think he’s there. Akuna has been hampered by injuries. He just needs to get on the practice field first.

    • Jack says:
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      The one I worry about is Josh Williams. I suspect grades are an issue, but the kid is a baller with great size and speed. It would be a shame to lose him because he can’t hack college life.

    • slamadam says:
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      akuna looked sloooooow in the spring game.

      • Jack says:
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        Noted… conditioning or injury?

        • slamadam says:
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          i’m not sure, it was the first time i’d really seen him play. it wasn’t a lot to judge from, but he’s no sprinter. definitely big though.

    • wannabeav says:
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      Amen. I can remember thinking that Trent Bray was a come-down from the Siegler/Barnett standard (which was true), but how I’d like to see players of his caliber again now that we’ve seen worse.

      • slamadam says:
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        bray was a damn good college linebacker, but most with average size, speed and strength like he had are not. it’s probably not a great thing to have a group of trent bray types.

  • slamadam says:
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    you’re absolutely right about watkins. the thing is, i feel like he’s physically capable of having a good senior season. he’s pretty fast, and seems to be a good tackler who embraces contact. it’s just that his picture is next to “brain fart” in the dictionary. i’m more excited about ryan murphy if he can learn not to just throw his body at ball carriers in the open field. i like zimmerman too, i hate that they burned his red shirt year for him to play strictly on special teams last, espescially when he isn’t on the first team this year either. makes no sense. same thing with welch, although at least he’s a day one starter.

    • Jack says:
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      Both Welch and TZ were fun to watch on ST. I think that’s the one place we missed Brandon Hardin the most. With Hardin, those two wouldn’t have been necessary on ST, giving more options down the road. TZ likely would have been the one to sit in that situation.

    • angry angry says:
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      They haven’t made the best redshirt decisions…Wheaton comes to mind right off the bat. That might have been the worst decision ever.

      • slamadam says:
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        possibly, maybe derek anderson.

        • bone says:
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          I wonder how much say players have when it comes to redshirting?

          • slamadam says:
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            i would prefer none, but i’m sure it depends on the player.

          • bone says:
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            I ask this question because I watched pat tillmans sport century docentary recently and he told his coached he didn’t want to redshirt because he had plans for the rest of his life. Not saying any of these players compare to the player of man that Tillman was, but I could see some players wanting to get on the field as fast as possible.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        That comes from having to cover up an overall lack of athletic talent. I have witnessed the same thing here in Minneapolis. What sucks is when a whole year is shot for a couple of plays here and there. Poor recruiting and planning. Thank god they didn’t do that for Crichton.

      • Beav11 says:
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        Wheaton RS decision likely due to a promise that he would play right away IMO. He chose us over some stiff competition….

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Didn’t the reports during spring mention Watkins being knocked on his backside, repeatedly?
      Having his ID used by Ryan Murphy during the May nightclub incident surely puts him on the road to that dictionary picture.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Yes, he spent quite a bit of time there according to reports…..

      • bone says:
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        I don’t think it was Watkins who was getting knocked down in spring because he didn’t participate fully, I think it was Peter Ashton.

        • oneoldbeav says:
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          Thanks, Bone, you’ve jogged my memory. It was Ashton that I was thinking of.

    • wannabeav says:
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      any improvement in Watkins play this year will be the single biggest indicator that Perry is a good coach.

  • Jack says:
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    I like our WR commits. Walker looks to me a lot like Aaron Nichols with slightly better breaks and more speed. But he has the same knack for breaking into the open and really adjusting well to any pass thrown his way. If he can block half as well as Nichols did, then he can be a stud.

    It’s just… I never worry about WR recruits at OSU. Can we get some of them big boys or stud CB’s now?

    • bone says:
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      That would be nice.

    • OStateBro says:
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      Your argument is Walker = slightly better version of Aaron Nichols and Walker = Stud. That implies Nichols = Stud (or something just slightly below stud). So your definition of Stud = below average Pac-12 wide receiver?

      If you apply this logic to the entire OSU football team, we have a team of studs! Now I’m really excited for this season. We’ve got a team of Aaron Nichols – Rose Bowl or Bust!

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Grading on a curve!

      • JD says:
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        Your logic is incorrect, but I would also consider Aaron Nichols an average Pac-12 receiver and not below average.

        • bone says:
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          Nichols didn’t have the physical traits that most elite conference receivers possess ( 4.3 speed, high vert, larger frame) but he was above average in his craft, he was able to find was to get open, didn’t drop passes, could block. So if this guy has better physical tools than Nichols but has his same craft, he could be special. But with any craft you need to work extremely hard at it.

      • Jack says:
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        I would hardly call Nichols below average. He worked hard to do all the little things right, and he did so when his number was called. He had a role to fill, and that role was diminished due to the talent in front of him. Walker shows the same traits as a junior in high school that Nichols did in college. And he does it with slightly better athleticism. If he works like Nichols did to increase his measurables and learns to block like Nichols did, then he could be a monster in this league and beyond due to his natural abilities being better from the start.

        • bone says:
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          Oregon state has had its issues with depth at certain positions in the past, wide receiver hasn’t been one of them.

        • OStateBro says:
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          “He worked hard to do all the little things right…when his number was called.”

          Haha, such a meaningless sentence.

          • Jack says:
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            When you remove the conjunction and the whole predicative clause from the subordinate it is.

        • OStateBro says:
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          Crap like calling Nichols a “stud” and praising the talents of some middling recruit who had offers from Minnesota, Nevada, and Utah St. is just another example of OSU fans trying to polish a turd.

          Guys like Nichols and Walkers are backups and scout team players in a winning college football program. Praising mediocrity is a page straight out of Riley’s book (How to Feel Good About Losing).

          • Jack says:
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            I hope you’re happy with that straw man argument.

            Now read what I wrote again, fool.

          • OStateBro says:
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            Haha, Jack…everyone knows that when someone has run out of valid points they turn to insults.

            Stop posting meaningless conjecture.

            Although it’s probably not your fault – the blame should be placed on the state of the program. It’s so down and has so few bright spots to discuss, fans are forced to “hype” non-events like inking a small, and by all accounts mediocre, high school receiver. When Mike Riley give you lemons, make lemonade…eh Jack?

            hahaha

          • Jack says:
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            Is that why you started in with the insults?

          • Jack says:
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            Oh… you thought I insulted you?

            Nope.

            Arguments composed of fallacies are a fool’s arguments by the very definition of the word.

            That reminds me a little of when a politico says, “Well, lie is such a strong word.”

            No it’s not. It’s just a word which happens to succinctly describe what you did Mr./Ms. Politico.

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    There is going to be a fairly large contingent of Wisconsin fans making the trip, more than we’re used to seeing due to the passion of their fan base, their fairly consistent level of success, and that this is the first time they’ve played in Corvallis.
    If anyone is interested in joining the several gatherings planned by local host organization Flat Tailgate Society, like them at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Flat-Tailgate-Society/166360193395475
    There is a seafood social Friday afternoon at our location at the fairgrounds and game day morning tailgating at the Heinrich Tailgater plus gatherings at local bars.
    Our facebook page will have all the details as they develop.

    It is Flat Tailgate Society’s mission to promote sportsmanship amongst fans and to make Corvallis a friendly place to visit for out-of-staters. (Fuck the Duck fans)
    Please go out of your way to welcome anyone wearing a Badger shirt when you see them. We were treated better than ever on our trip to Madison last year and we’d like to return the favor.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Right on! I hope if we can get back to winning, but whatever comes it is done with class.

  • helmsley says:
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    “why is the Oregon media so lame?” We’ve discussed this b4 with regard to the possibility that the media fears being denied access, but how could they be denied access to, for example, a post game news conference? Are the beat reporters discerning enough to know that Reuben Robinson is not as good a player as the coaches hype him to be?

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      In the case of O-live I blame the assignment editor almost as much as the reporters. There seems to be no continuity there, Schnell-Hunt-Buker (gone now?), some guy named Meagher(?), maybe another one I missed. Would a consistent 9 game winner result in a dedicated scribe??

      As for the Trib, it seems Eggers is spread too thin, does a decent story but on such an irregular basis.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      I think its nice guy Riley stuff. OSU sinking and they try to find something kind and positive to say. What is shows is the low key of expectations. Like we are already back in the losing streak, so why kick a dead horse.

    • hellobeavers says:
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      I’ve noticed that people on here get angry when Mike Riley blames the players for not executing the plays, yet there are players every year that you want media members to call out publicly? Would you then want Mike Riley to acknowledge that Reuben Robinson, Brandon Hardin, Anthony Watkins, the O-Line are terrible or would you want him to deny it and blame himself?

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        I’ve noticed the contradiction, too. And of course, a good coach should go on a 4 minute un-professional rant against the press if they hurt one of their players feelings.

      • helmsley says:
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        I don’t read or hear every word attributed to Mike Riley so there’s probably something, somewhere when he blames his coaching for an undesirable outcome, but I’ve not seen or heard it and I wouldn’t expect him to single out players and say they are “terrible.” The media – I guess that means the Oregonian and the Gazette-Times – could be asking hard questions, some suggestions for which have been posted on this site. My point is that they are either too timid or don’t know enough to ask those questions.

        • hellobeavers says:
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          I agree that they don’t know enough to ask the tough questions. Maybe it’s not fair to these people, but I don’t understand why we’re supposed to assume someone like Lindsay Schnell, John Hunt, Paul Buker or Brandon Sprague know more about Oregon State football than we do. Simply because they work in the media they are considered to be an authority when it comes to having an opinion about OSU football. Unfortunately they are the only ones who get to ask the questions and they have the audience.

          It makes me cringe when they present their opinions with such confidence. Their predictions and positions evaluations are far lower in quality than we can find in the comment section on here. Moreover, I don’t think anyone in local media is in a position to critique someone like Mike Riley on either his game strategy or his personnel decisions – and I suspect they know this about themselves. Whether you like him or not, Mike Riley is a football genius compared to the rest of us. It would be uncomfortable to have someone like Lindsay Schnell, who turned her love of high school women’s basketball into a journalism degree (?) and a job at the Oregonian, question Mike Riley on these things.

          Ted Miller is the same way. He has been writing off Oregon St all off-season and I wouldn’t be surprised if at one point he said we were a 10th place or worse team. Then Phil Steele picks us 5th and suddenly Ted thinks we’re bowl bound.

          • Jack says:
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            Is that what happened? I was wondering about Ted and his little blog suddenly praising OSU for some reason.

          • oneoldbeav says:
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            Your mention of Lindsay reminds me that she is the only one I have read who clearly stated that Riley will be calling the offensive plays this fall. I am wondering if any other reporter came to the same conclusion or if that was just something she pulled out of her stylish hat.

            As to the local media knowing themselves to be ill prepared to question Riley, you may be onto something there.

          • bone says:
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            I find it interesting that Lindsay is saying that Riley will be caking the plays during the season. If I remember correctly, Riley said numerous times that he was calling plays to get the best matchup for the offense and defense. Maybe she has info that others reporters have not gotten.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            I want to see that in game reality. It has been obvious for at least a couple years that the play calling under Langsdorf was simple minded, and needed Riley doing it. But he didnt. And I wouldnt count on it happening this fall.

            A good reporter would have an actual quote, so it cant later be swept under the rug. “Today Riley said, among other things..,.’I will be doing the play calling from now on’….”

            Journalism has become a no-stress, waste occupation, where any pap you write fills your obligation as a reporter. Its like Riley’s letting the players grow into their riles, if they can. No real expectations on reporters, either.

          • Jack says:
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            When it comes to journalists, it’s their job to know their subject and report competently on it. Instead of constantly tweeting about ancillary nothings, they should take their jobs seriously and do their homework. Football is not a hard game to grasp. It takes years of watching/playing/coaching any sport to be an elite mind on the subject. But all it takes is hours of study to have a deeper understanding of a sport on which one could base thoughtful questions which will lead to good, solid answers.

          • helmsley says:
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            I think this article by John Hunt is somewhat better than most. http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/07/oregon_state_beavers_football_83.html

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            http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/08/oregon_state_beavers_football_84.html

            Another article by Hunt today. So far I like what he writes, especially in comparison to the alternatives.
            BTW is anyone going to waste one of their 15 free Gadget Times reads before camp starts?

          • Jack says:
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            I agree. Hunt gives it straight up analysis with just enough commentary to be both slightly hopeful and critical. I like that he presents it as potential versus experience and variables.

            I stopped reading the GT. I figured if there was anything good it would be linked.

          • helmsley says:
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            You’re telling me you haven’t figured out a way to get around that?

          • helmsley says:
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            the 15 free reads

      • Jack says:
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        It’s the coaches job to lead. When plays aren’t executed or the game is lost, it’s on the coach. It’s a leadership thing. When a team fails, it’s on the coach. When they win, it’s all about the players.

        Sure, they go back to practice and break down their mistakes and learn from that. But it’s a sign of weak leadership when you publicly blame your own players.

        On the flip side, it’s the media’s job to dig in the weeds and ask the hard questions. This stupid aggregation of the “news” is just killing journalism. Any one of us can listen to a presser and just quote the speaker. But the journalist has to be knowledgable about the subject then ask about those breakdowns…

        … to which a good leader’s response would be, “Yeah… that’s on me.”

        When it comes to players who shouldn’t be on a Pac 10/12 field, that’s on the coach as well. When breakdowns occur because what is asked of the players is beyond their capabilities, then other issues (recruiting? scheme adjustments?) come into play. It’s true that the players missed assignments and made mistakes. Why did they do it for the fourth game in a row? Why have they done so over their whole career? Why are they on the field game after game when they make these same mistakes that you, coach, tell us they make?

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          Well said, Jack.
          To put it another way, “a simple scheme well executed will likely beat a complex scheme poorly executed.”
          Oh that Riley would emphasize fundamentals and game plan to the abilities of his players. Maybe then we wouldn’t continually hear how players only catch on to his system after 2 or 3 years.

          • bone says:
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            That I one reason why I think we have suffered losing seasons. Our system takes a few years to get a hang of. When we were winning games and having good seasons our teams were made up mostly of upperclassmen. And when they would leave they would be replaced by upperclassmen, last couple seasons we have had to rely on youth and inexperience and we have had a difficult time staying afloat. Oregon state is a program that can’t have players not develope through their time on campus.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Two Beavs on the list, both Defense and you could probably guess who they are.

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19691325/cbssportscom-2012-preseason-all-pac-12-team

    No Wynn, however is a slight surprise.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    ?@beaverkman RT:@MudvilleBasebal S-out to ’09 Muddie & Orleans Firebirds LHP Matt Boyd pitched the 2nd inn. of the Cape Cod BL’s 2012 All-Star Game striking out 1 w/no hits!

  • matt b says:
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    If the Beavers are to improve this season, they will need contributions from guys like Clute, Audiss, Ashton, Hanford, James, Scott and some of the freshmen. If these guys and/or others show signs of improvement in fall ball, OS will be ok. All I ask is for them to be competitive in every quarter of every game. Results will then follow.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      “All I ask is for them to be competitive in every quarter of every game.”…Amen!

      The lack of a consistent competitive attitude and performance has been so evident over the last few years. Much of that due to Riley’s personality, some due to his recruiting problems, especially in the trenches.

      Yes, matt, results will follow if this area is fixed. But even when the results aren’t immediate some losing is a bit more tolerable when a team plays with fire, passion and effort.

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    “Beaver Nation” needs to start being more realistic – Ws are going to be hard earned and infrequent this year. 6-6 should be considered a success. Reset your expectations for 2012 so that “success” isn’t defined by Ws and Ls – focus on development of the young players, a shift in the play calling philosophy of the coaches, improved technique at DB. If there are positive changes in those areas, 2012 will be a success. The state of the OSU football program is such that fans should not expect a significant turn around from 2011.

    And don’t misinterpret what I’m saying here – I don’t want to be labeled a “Pollyanna”. I hate the state of the program. But I’m tired of being optimistic about the team’s prospects each season then being repeatedly kicked in the nuts throughout the fall.

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    Harlow goes UW. That one kinda hurts. I liked him.

    Now? Not so much. 🙂

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    A long time back we entered a moronic age where failure and mediocrity were supposed to be glossed over, that anyone who was criticized would feel bad about themselves wnd get even worse. For instance, obese people are not to be told how disgusting they look. Let them feel good about being obese, then they will be encouraged to get thinnger.(yeah, that has really worked) I think the critical ability of the media was drummed out of them.

    I think that is still with us.

    A good coach will get his players to play hard, no matter what their ability. I dont feel Riley has managed to get that. This whole business about letting the players find themselves and grow into being a decent player is just asking for some of the players to cruise. Run the scholarship out and get a degree but never take the responsibility seriously…never give it their all. The coach doesnt care, why should I?

    The media should be asking — “Hey, coach, from here, the team doesnt look a whole lot better than last year and last year it couldnt beat Sac State, so what games do you actually think we will win this year?” But all we get is pap.

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      “Let them feel good about being obese, then they will be encouraged to get thinnger.”

      I know! The constant info-mercials about how to gain weight is ridiculous. And that TV show, The Biggest Gainer, is just weak. The media should end their constant drumbeat about how obesity is wonderfully healthy also.

      ?

      Better argument if you stick to not keeping score in youth leagues and handing out participation trophies in order to not “damage” any young psyches. I have no idea where you’re going with the obesity thing.

      Hopefully not McDonald’s.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Are you kidding? The show the biggest loser doesnt really make fun of obese people. Hey, baloon up and go on the show, win prizes! Then you can baloon up again as you please.

        And who the hell watches infomercials?

        If the media wanted to help that situation they would run a “disgusting person of the day” photo series.

        And EVERYONE should be encouraged to make fun of the obese. Instead its the opposite.

        In any case, i think that attitude is a problem with the media. Its ok to be obese, and its ok for Riley to not care about winning.

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          So you haven’t watched that particular show. Given your disdain for the obese, I wouldn’t expect it. I don’t either, but I’m told it’s precautionary and solution-oriented with some exercise and food industry pimping going on.

          And food industry pimping should be your demon against obesity, not the Johns.

          Infomercials? I guess we can’t count the short ones made to fit in :30 or 1:00 time slots for our regular shows and sports? Now that I have a channel guide, the half-hour ones are avoided (as opposed to channel surfing). But many millions watch the hour long topic-oriented infomercials like The 700 Club.

          And just because the media doesn’t ridicule people and their health issues doesn’t mean they support them. That’s just silly.

          But I do agree that we need tangible goals made publicly vocal for all to hear. It’s not bravado. It’s just a goal which you think is attainable. You can even say that you always want more than a realistic goal while noting what is realistic. But set a goal in the first place, and enlist the help of everyone who might be involved in reaching that goal–team, coaches, fans, media. Take out half those participants, and you’re only left with half the firepower available to you.

          As far as failing to meet those goals is concerned, it was said well above. Play to the best of your abilities and with constant effort, and missing the mark is forgivable. It’s still disappointing, but it’s forgivable. We’re human. We all fail sometimes. If we didn’t, we wouldn’t know what it takes to win.

          You’re absolutely correct on that part. Get over equating losing at sport with losing at life. That’s weak shit propagated by weak people. If losing at sports makes you feel bad, get over it. Not everyone can be a champion. Either do the work required to be one, or find something else you’re good at. But if you’re going to stick with it, then put your best into it.

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            Well, I am afraid I believe your body weight is quite controllable, and no one needs to be obese. I know there are claims that it is sometimes unavoidable, but I dont believe it. I have never seen a pic from a concentration camp that showed any obese folks. The food industry has nothing to do with obesity. Eating habits have everything to do with it.

            But today there is no real social program against it, nor even any real stigma. Smoking is a health risk, and we have legislated against it. The same should happen to obesity.

            And I say again, that attitude is basically the same as the attitude toward Riley. Oh, he is failing as a coach, well, dont ask any embarassing questions, or he might feel bad. No one should feel bad.

            I dont agree. If you are screwing up, you SHOULD FEEL BAD, whether its your eating habits, or your coaching results.

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            “The food industry has nothing to do with obesity. Eating habits have everything to do with it.”

            These two sentences contradict one another. Go shopping for food, or watch TV. Cost and convenience is hyped over nutrition… by the food industry. People haven’t taken the time to learn about food and food preparation. They’d rather argue about In N Out being the best fast food burger out there and then sate their craving for what they’ve convinced themselves (and been convinced) is good food. If you’re eating out instead of cooking food at home for 96% of your monthly meals, then you’re making poor nutritional choices. Then you have to educate yourself on the kind of foods you cook at home. 70% of what’s out there can be almost as bad for you as restaurant food, and most of the rest can be just as bad because people don’t pay attention to serving sizes.

            Then you have the biggest culprit of them all. Liquid supplements to your diet will not only put you well over your caloric requirements. They can throw your body’s chemical processes out of whack, compounding its efficiency to digest those and all other foods and drink. The body goes through physiological changes in people who are thin but eat poorly, leading to eventual weight gain. People who have gained even what you might call just a pot-belly are not only on the tipping point toward obesity. They can lose the belly, but they can never go back to eating like they had always been thin. The body no longer recognizes that condition, and weight will go back on. A person who has lost 100 pounds to be 150 has a different chemical make-up than a person who has always been 150. They can eat precisely the same foods and perform precisely the same activities, and the previously obese person will put the weight back on while the consistently 150 pound person will remain consistently 150.

            There’s a lot more involved. But you become willfully ignorant if you dismiss the actual make-up of processed foods and their effect on the body. And you wholly miss the point if you think the world is some magnificent place where everyone is highly intelligent and the constant bombardment of marketing for food from day one of their lives does not affect them in some way. If marketing didn’t work then there wouldn’t be a bunch of fat men in this country hoping to impress some hot chick with their lite malt beverage so they can try out their stash of boner pills… only to crash the taco shop alone after last call so they can get their fourth meal on.

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            So you’re saying I should give up that meal I found between breakfast and brunch everyday?

            You’re both virtually agreeing with each other. I think Steve is saying it’s a matter of personal responsibility. You should do your own research to determine what and how much you should be eating to stay healthy instead of listening to marketing.
            Jack would probably agree with that but his take on the effects of marketing is correct also. You can say just because you hear 1000 McDonalds commercials a day doesn’t mean you will eat there, but it goes way beyond that. People seriously have no clue as to what’s healthy because it takes work and research. Too difficult for our society.
            Personally, I know what to do to lose weight and be healthy, I just don’t do it. I buckled down back when I was 29 years old when I weighed 250 lbs, and lost 70 lbs of fat while building muscle mass. Felt great but now it’s 12 years later and it’s just too easy to slip into an unhealthy lifestyle.

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            Well said Jason, one thing that I might add to this discussion is that eating habits aren’t matching up to a person’s activity level. No one says it better than former OSU great Chad Johnson. “what some would call the worst diet in the world. Eat what you want to eat and work out the way you’re supposed to, and it’s not going to bother you”. I think the lack of fitness level is having just as much to do with the obesity problem in the United States. And it’s starting in the grade schools with cutting of PE classes and Recess. I don’t know how these kids are making it through school without them, I don’t know if I could have.

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          Sorry Steve, but humiliating and shaming people is not an effective way to change behavior. I suppose it is a psychological theory that you’ve grasped on to in order to vent your anger, though.

          P.S. GET THE HELL OUTTA MY YARD!

          P.P.S. Rest easy, obese people are made fun of daily.

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      I am obese, 5′-9″ 230 lbs. Sucks! Nine years ago I was 185 lbs and running in 5k races!
      Now the only thing I run to is the fridge.
      I do not blame the food industry though, I blame eating utensils like forks and spoons and knives. We should pass legislation to ban or at least limit their usage to help fatsos like me.

      • Jack says:
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        Heh heh….

        I have some documentaries for you if you haven’t seen them.
        Food, Inc.
        A Delicate Balance
        Food Matters
        Food Stamped
        Fresh
        Killer at Large
        Our Daily Bread
        Forks Over Knives

        I just assume everyone has seen Super Size Me, so I don’t bother recommending that one anymore. There are more. But those above will probably have you crying by the end. Then there’s King Corn. It’s worth more than a chuckle. You’d more clearly understand what I mean by “food industry” when you watch this movie. It pretty much starts with Big Ag and just cuts its way through retail distribution.

        The newest studies show that the best way to get healthy tomorrow (not lose weight, but it follows eventually) is to drop sugary drinks altogether. That’s not easy since schools have licensing contracts with soda companies in order to distribute their products to younger and younger demographics.

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          I’ve seen Food, Inc, Forks, Super, and King Corn. You’re right, it’s almost sickening to see who has the control.
          The worst story was of the guy that has (had) a seed harvesting company. Just got mauled by lawsuits.

          • Jack says:
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            Yeah… Monsanto, ADM and Cargill are three of my favorite companies of all time… especially Monsanto and their reign of proprietary terror. Honestly, I find it a little scary that whole crop harvests resistant to Roundup are finding their way onto dinner tables in some way. But, you know, food distributors do a fine job of cleaning everything before use… always.

            Ick!

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        Jason, have you considered having steve verbally abuse you?

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          I would, but he couldn’t possibly beat me up as bad as I do myself.

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            LOL … yeah, this always hits a nerve.

            And I do realize the food industry aint helpin a bit,– quite the opposite. TV ads for fast food meals that are enough for three normal people.

            We are now stereotyped as an obese nation. Pretty soon, we’ll probably be attacked, on the assumption that blimpoids cant fight.

            Well, if ya make me your emperor, I have what I think is the solution. Obesity is made illegal, and the perps all shipped to fat farms, where they get lots of veggies and nutrients, but very little else. When they are slimmed down (this assumes of course that they dont start eating each other) They are free to go.

            Repeat offenders are harvested for redered fat, lamp shades and bone meal….

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            Obesity is becoming a worldwide issue quickly.

            Apparently, where fast/highly processed food goes, so goes obesity.

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    Angry,if OS can deploy a blocking tight end or H back (in addition to Stanton whom I assume will be good as an all around tight end) to help chip or lead block, then Kelly will not be the primary problem on the offense. I recall seeing a picture from last year where Mannion is handing the ball off to Agnew deep in the backfield and a DT is already 1-2 yards past Andrews into the backfield. My point is that they have more than one weak spot on the line and they will need a big tough te/Hback/fb (who cares if he can catch a pass) for at least half the plays on offense. If they think that they can get away with te/Hback/fb pass receiver first and block second, then they are nuts. Last year the te, Hbacks, fb were not nearly physical enough at the point of attack and in protecting the edge on run or passing downs.

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      Yup, the “portable snot knocker” is a major key to the ground game!

      I believe Riley often preaches the importance of RB’s and others being good blockers (but maybe this has only been on passing plays?), just need to put that philosophy into practice, every game, every down.

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        what’s funny is that riley’s always been a one back guy for whatever reason. erickson was too if i recall. clayton york made a couple big plays last year, but he’s not an every down monster by any means. i feel like wynn, welch or maybe unga would be really good in that role, but they’re too valuable to the defense.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    It is official. Silas Redd to USC!
    That cements the South championship to the Trojans.
    Good thing we don’t play them this year.

    • JD says:
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      Not so fast. What about the December match up at Reser for the PAC-12 Championship?

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        I wouldn’t mind if we had to go to LA for that game. I want Reser, but I’ll take the downgrade.

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    The use of a Sports Psychologist was touched on by Lindsay in an article on gymnastics.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/07/offseason_qa_gymanstics_coach.html

    Always made sense to me, now we’ll see if she asks Riley for his thoughts on the topic.

  • filibustering fizzbits says:
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    So….out of curiosity – when you say Anthony Watkins doesn’t “play the ball”, are you intentionally disregarding the fact that he led the team in tackles last season (85) or are you insinuating that the only aspect of a safety’s’ job is to block passes through the secondary? I think you need to brush up on your facts a bit before you make blanket statements

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      Yeah…I do wonder if a big part of Watkins’ problem last year wasn’t a result of having to constantly cover for the failure of the front 7 to stop the run…

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      He’s good in run support. That a S leads the team in tackles should be highly worrisome. In fact, the most telling part about your incomplete rant is that the DB’s had a combined total of zero sacks, 3.0 TFL, led the team in tackles as a position group and the team really really sucked defending against the run.

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        same thing with reynolds. he made a lot of tackles last year but that certainly doesn’t mean that he made any big impact plays.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    MR makes CFN’s coaches hot seat list at # 5. Who says we don’t get love from the national media.
    Sorry for bringing up something relating to Beaver football. I realize this site is primarily for political rants and debating why we are a nation of fat, lard asses.

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      How dare you sir!

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      Why do people put Riley on these lists? He has about as much chance of being fired during or after this season as does Nick Saban.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Hey Angry, is there any way to put numbers to each post in a thread (1 to whatever). Why?

    Well let’s pretend your boss is a Wisconsin fan and you are on an Angry Beaver thread when he walks in to your office unannounced which causes you to suddenly click close on the site or punch a hole in your monitor.

    And then let’s just say after the Badger Boss leaves you want to go back to the site quickly and start reading again where you left off while still on company time. Having numbers to each post would sure make it easy to get back to where you left off…. This is all hypothetical of course.

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      Relax, if he is a Badger fan he was probably intoxicated and won’t remember anything when/ if he sobers up.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Montee Ball assaulted in Madison. Wow.

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        Gotta wonder about a guy who repeatedly finds himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hopefully he makes a full recovery, but if this leads to a Ball suspension, I guess it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if he missed a couple non-conference games 🙂

        Think about that, if the Beavers win their first 2 games, they might actually get ranked going into week 3(undeservedly). Gotta get past Nicholls State first though. One game at a time…..

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          Ball is a good kid and any program would be proud to have him. Well spoken and a good student. Keep in mind I’m almost barfing in my mouth dishing out praise for the hated Badgers.
          Still can’t believe he came back.

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        Got an email back from a friend in Madison. He says that males who walk alone late at night in a certain area just off campus have been targets for muggings/beatings for more than a decade with nothing really done about it because the school doesn’t really want people to know about it.

        Maybe we could loan them the entire CPD.

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          Wonder if he was leaving the bars? Pretty sure they stop serving at 2:00AM in Madison and the attack apparently happened at 2:15AM.
          Looks like he’s 21, so if it was alcohol related, he won’t be in trouble for that. If he had been sober, he probably could have run right past the trouble.

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            When I lived in Wisconsin (45 minutes south of Madison) they had Happy Hour (buy one get one free shots or beers) from 10pm to 12pm. It was the busiest time of the night. Maybe that had something to do with it?

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    Some preseason musings –

    Offense – The passing game seems set, maybe they’ll utilize a short passing game to open up the running game. There seems to be enough WRs to handle the job. Cooks and Wheaton are good deep threats to keep the DBs from play bump coverage. Maybe show some 4 WR sets? I would hope with Riley’s pro style background they would look to the Saints and GB for concepts.

    Defense – Can anyone step up at DT? They are the key to the whole year. If they can be eat up blocks, the LB’s are free to stop the run. And when the run is stuffed, Wynn and Crichton get to pin their ears back and rush. And when the DE’s can get to the QB, its makes it easier on the DB’s in coverage.

    I’m predicting A. Seumalo is in for a breakout year if he puts on 10-15 pds.

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      seumalo’s pretty good, not great. castro masianaii (close enough) is kind of the key. he’s so big he doesn’t need make a lot of plays himself to be effective. on passing downs i wouldn’t mind seeing the RS freshman from TX brandon bennet-jackson get a shot in place of castro (who can’t pass rush at all) or maybe move wynn over and put in fernando or lavonte barnett, another redshirt frosh i like.

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    Paul Chryst’s dog is named ………………………….Riley. Not sure if that is a compliment or an insult.
    Wonder if the dog always wears a ball cap and chews gum nonstop?

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    Stan Hasiak(sp) did not qualify academically according to Riley. Will not be with the team this fall. Also Seamalu(sp) will be playing center.

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      Sorry for not being accurate spellings on their names, but I’m using my phone and I’m too lazy to look up the proper spelling. Also I’m driving down Highway 99 On My Way to class.

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        Is it a driver’s safety class?

        Here’s the tweet from Brandon Sprague. Seumalo is only competing for center spot, but not guaranteed to play that position.

        “Brandon Sprague ?@BrandonSprague

        Riley says Seumalo going to compete for center, but that isn’t set in stone in terms of where he could end up. ”

        There was also this message:
        “Riley not concerned about depth at DL. He names Rosa and Fufita as some who’ve worked hard. “9 initially who could be in the games.” “

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          Custer was not concerned about the indians either. Just saying.

          Major shock about Hasiak! Joins Simi Kuli as an OSU almost legend.

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          Putting Seumalo at center doesn’t seem like it addresses the greatest need – particularly now that Hasiak is not a qualifying. Nor does it seem like it would put the highest numbers of the best players on the line. Why I am I not surprised? I hope he isn’t’ moved around so much it decreases his effectiveness.

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            IMHO there is too much responsibility placed on the center for a freshman, even Seumalo, to be expected to do an outstanding job. I doubt Riley&Co. are likely to get creative and give those responsibilities to another position (Phillipp, Andrews?) so maybe I’ll just hope for an “adequate” job from Seumalo…….or that Welch gets the nod at center.

            Long run I suppose Seumalo could be a great center, I’d just like to see him get a season under his belt to adjust to College ball. Either way, I too, hope he isn’t moved around too much in his first season.

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            The C is the most important lineman because he makes the calls. One could make an argument for the LT (or RT if a LH QB), but the calls made are more important. I was devastated (kinda) when Max Unger went Nikegon because it was obvious that he was going to be awesome. He ended up as a C with G ability.

            Seumalo has been with this team forever. He knows technique and reads that a four year starter would know. He can step in on day one and be a RS Soph or better. Wherever he ends up, he will succeed. It’s now the RT position I worry about with the projected line-up. Kelly is serviceable, but he’s not great. And he’s only serviceable when he has a good counterpart in the RG position.

            The frosh will make noise this fall.

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    Riley just tweeted out a pic of the new turf at Reser.

    https://twitter.com/Coach_Riley/status/230775327570403331/photo/1/large

    Wish we could see the end zones better, but it does look nice having the green fill in the sidelines now.

  • Jack says:
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    Well now… here’s something new. Scout.com has the roster and depth chart as of yesterday:
    http://oregonstate.scout.com/2/1207383.html

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    Since we haven’t talked about them, there are five walk-on frosh.

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    @beaverkman RT?@jwquick KEX (1190-AM) will be the new home of the Trail Blazers, The Oregonian has learned. Station plans to simulcast games on FM 102.3 as well.

    How will that effect games they cover with the Beavers???

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      This is great news. Ducks and blazers have been on same station forever which meant a ton of free publicity for Oregon. also glad blazers will be back on fm. beavs may get bumped to a sister station if schedule conflicts though.

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    @beaverkman RT:@Qui22Rodgers Tis true! You wanna weigh in on who you think will be the No. 1 running back for OSU this season? 😉 My money is on Storm.

    So why does Riley have him last on the depth chart??

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      My money is on Chris Brown!

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      I am not paying too much attention to the depth chart at the running back position going into fall. Riley has mentioned in most of the interviews regarding the depth chart that he is going to let them play it out and see who takes the job. Or this could very well be the depth chart, which in that case I would be shocked and a little upset that Storm is all the way at the bottom.

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        I agree, we have enough RB’s that one is bound to have star talent or at least Pac-12 capability. Either way it all boils down to the O-line if there can be a night and day difference from the last few years then any one of these backs can be ‘good’.

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          Actually, they aren’t listed in any particular order. Take a look at the ORs before each player

          28 * Terron Ward So. 5-7 195

          OR 19 ** Jovan Stevenson Jr. 5-11 180

          OR 30 * Malcolm Agnew So. 5-8 204

          OR 34 *** Jordan Jenkins Sr. 6-1 210

          OR 24 Storm Woods Fr-RS 5-10 202

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            haha nice catch.

            And Grape if our o-line has similar results as last season, doesn’t matter who’s running the rock. I think they will be improved though.

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      I think Quizz likes him because he’s from Texas.

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      Storm Woods wins.

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    @LJBouncyMoore 1. Notre Dame 2. UCLA 3. CAL 4. Oregon State 5. Arizona State/Washington

    LJ Moore from Fresno Central East Campus DB, 6-2 185. Have some work to do.

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    I hope this is a correct assessment:

    Defensive tackle Castro Masaniai is all healed up from a broken leg that he suffered last season (he sat on in spring) and Riley says he might be in the best shape of his life. “He’s probably bigger than ever but more mobile,” said Riley. “I’m not really sure how that works.”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/08/oregon_state_football_mike_ril_6.html

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      Yeah, it would be a very pleasant surprise if Castro were to have a great year. Being bigger and more mobile is a start and may indicate he has been seriously working over the summer. Now, has he got the smarts and attitude to be a top flight DT?

      As for Riley calling plays, can anyone explain the meaning of the very last sentence quoted by Linday? Sounds like indecision on his part. Not a good sign but not at all out of character.

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        Imo what Riley was quoted as saying in that last sentence pretty much sums up MR. Sounds to me like he doesn’t want to hurt Danny’s feelings.

        I’m bummed about the direction this program is headed.

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          That is my take also. The shame is that if he would get it out of the way now and just explain that he wants to be more involved and give Langs more time to “grow” Mannion and the other QBs then the issue would be settled and everyone could put it in the past. This approach by MR reminds me a little of the Mannion/Katz fiasco.

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            You should be his spokesman. You put it perfectly. Agree on the Katz fiasco.

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          To me the last sentence in the article doesn’t even make sense: “We talked about these things going in, so whatever we head during the season we’ll be prepared.”

          Anyone care to break that down for me?

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            rsteve at 2:52 below has a version of the quote which clarifies the sentence, just checked O-live and they have changed “whatever we head during…” to “whatever we DO during….”

            Now the sentence makes sense but the idea behind it doesn’t. I still don’t like the indecision on Riley’s part.

            Poor Lindsay, there was feedback on her conference call, she had to go to a staff meeting and, she had to deal with a parking ticket. I suppose that excuses the first version?

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            I like the gamesmanship by Riley. He’s just keeping the opposing coaches off balance. Will the calls be coming from him? Will they be coming from Langsdorf? Maybe both? I feel sorry for the opponents because they won’t know what hit ’em when the play finally gets called. It’s sort of like Chip Kelly and his signs. A little misdirection to confuse the other team. Great coaching in my opinion.

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      If true, Caatro has a chance to be a difference maker. But he’ll need to bring effort every play and obviously stay healthy. Does he want to be an impact player or just occupy space?

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      I find this depressing…..I had hoped Riley would do the play calling

      “When he took over play-calling duties in the spring, Riley said it was because he wanted to see specific scripts, not because offensive coordinator Danny Langsdorf had been demoted. On Wednesday Riley said there is a chance he’ll do some play-calling in fall camp, too, but danced around the question when asked if he would do the play-calling come season. “How about I’ll call all the (yardage) gainers and Danny can have the rest of them?” Riley joked. “We talked about these things going in, so whatever we do during the season, we’ll be prepared.”

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    portlandtribune.com/pt-rss/12-sports/113076-beavers-in-a-rush-to-boost-offensive-line-role

    Eggers has a couple quotes from Cavanaugh which indicate that he is taking responsibility for the performance of his group. Maybe I am reading more into it than I should, but the foul mouthed one doesn’t seem to be laying a base for blaming poor results on execution by his players.

    “I have to do my best coaching job this season,” and “We have to get them to grow fast.”

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      Reading this article, it looks to me that:

      Kelly, Phillip, and Andrews are secure in their positions.
      Seumalo and Sapulo will compete for center (though right now it sounds like Seumalo’s job to lose)
      Enger will compete with Beaton and Nielsen for the last guard spot.

      Not sure if Andrews, Weinreich, or Bays factor into the equatino yet?

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      I’ve always been a coach Cav fan and I like seeing those kind of quotes from him. It’d be pretty easy to blame the poor performance on lack of offensive line talent.

      Regarding Seumalo at center, it’s not where I would have put him but then again I’m not a coach. We should have a pretty solid left side of the line though with Phillips, Andrews, and Seumalo.

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    Hallice Cooke, SG, St. Anthony (NJ), down to (in no order) Oregon State, Butler, VCU, St. Joe’s, Penn State, Rhode Island, Richmond.

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      Do you like him better than Lapray Jack?

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        Different position… but, to answer your question, no. Lapray has everything you want in a PG/SG/SF except for NBA size for a SF. But the NBA is a mental state more than it is a size issue for all but a select few. AJ just has that killer mentality that he’s going to break down his opposition on either end of the floor, no matter their size.

        Cooke would really compliment Coach Rob’s style. He’s a hard-nosed defender. He’s a great passer/facilitator in transition. And he can shoot and create for himself well out of the half court set in situations where his team needs to take control. Cooke AND Lapray would be awesome together (and with Westbrook) since the half court set requires heady ballers who can shoot and pass on the perimeter. There really is no PG in his system. There’s only the guy who brings it up court, and if there are more who can do that, then we’re better off. All the guards need to be PG’s AND SG’s… not combo guards… just PG or SG in different situations, different trips down the court. And when you can get wings who can do the same thing (LMW and Robbins) then you’re pouring gravy.

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          You always have great analysis and insight. Thanks!

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          Btw… Calvin Hermanson committed to St. Mary’s last night. I had good info that he was leaning toward the Bay Area for his career… only a friend of a friend of a hairdresser’s friend. I thought he would eventually go Stanford, but I’m happy for my grandfather’s alma mater. My grandfather would be happy too. He put in countless hours as a scout/booster for that program way back when.

          Congrats to Calvin and St. Mary’s.

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      Darin Johnson, SG, Franklin (Elk Grove, CA) down to (in no order) Oregon State, ASU, UA, USC, CU, Wazzu, Nikegon, Marquette, Zags, aTm, SDSU, UTEP.

      Down to? Not high on this kid really. He’s like Jared with half the freak athleticism and without the rebounding, defense and passing. There are plenty who are hyping him though.

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    Pac-12 Enterprises has reached an agreement with Frontier Communications to carry the Pac-12 Networks, providing FiOS TV customers in the Pacific Northwest with 24/7 access to their favorite teams in the Pac-12 Conference, it was announced today.

    Nice! Good thing I have the best internet/tv provider ever… Frontier/Verizon

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Man I hope they get their shit together soon. Here in smalltown we can get directv,dishnetwork or charter cable. I have directv currently but can/will shitcan them to go with whoever has the Pac12 network. If any of them do.

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    The other day I mentioned Stanton as being a can’t miss prospect. I hope he will be but I made a mistake and should have identifed Caleb Smith as the can’t miss guy. Has anyone noticed that in addition to all of the current commits being wr/db’s, all of them come from a rather limited geographic area. Does this mean that as of this date only one of the OS coaches is earning his keep (as it relates to recruiting)?

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      Be interesting to figure out who it is.

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        Most likely Locey. He handles this region, and doesn’t he coach TE’s?

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Cliff says it’s Seumalo.

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            That would explain alot, not withstanding his own kids, he has not recruited well.

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      I have long harped about what seems to be rather “limited geographical area” in recruiting.

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    If there is more than one guy involved with these recruits, why are there multiple people working a single county?

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    “Gone are the days of regional broadcasts on ABC or Fox,” Commissioner Larry Scott said. “This is going to be a major change in terms of the national exposure and recognition our conference gets.”

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    Anyone know if there will be any men’s or women’s scholarships for athletes in Track?

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    Montee Ball’s attack may have been payback for some football players beating up somebody in an unreported incident a week ago. This could get interesting if it leads to legal charges. Too much to hope for multiple suspensions for their trip to Corvallis?

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      hopefully bielhma pulls a riley and they don’t sit for their opener and all get suspended for the corvallis trip.

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        I’d really prefer both teams be at full strength for the game.

        At this point reports indicate the Beavs will not have any players on suspension for the game, given the history of the Badgers there is a good chance they will be free of suspensions as well. If both teams can keep the injuries to a bare minimum we should have a game free of excuses…..on either side.

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          good point. that game could be kind of a sneaky trap game for the badgers even with ball. (if some DT’s can step up..). hopefully it’s a night and day difference from a year ago win or lose. either way it’ll give us a good idea how much they’ve improved from last year if ball is 100 percent.

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          My feelings exactly. Would rather have everyone healthy and on the field for both teams. What’s the joy in beating a weakened opponent? Not that we have a chance in H-E-double hockey sticks.

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            Screw that. I want to beat those F…er’s any way possible. After a few weeks no one remembers the circumstances, they only remember the outcome. Won’t happen, but one can dream.

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            You’re right, the details of which players were in or out of the game are usually forgotten by most people, especially the W-L column. I just like the satisfaction of beating someone when they’re at their best.

            Anybody remember when Drew Bledsoe went down, or when Frank Reich took over for the Bills versus the Oilers? How about Quizz jamming it down the Trojan’s throat? Or 2-0 versus the Fighting Irish? Or the CW in Reser when they tore up the turf after the victory? How about Derrick Cope winning the Daytona 500 over Dale Sr?
            Mother effer the season needs to get under way!

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            I remember all those. There’s Brady. The Bills got killed by the Oilers 27-3 in the game Kelly went down, only to see Reich start the wildcard game and continue looking bad until “the comeback.” What many did not pay attention to on Quizz’ big night against SCum was that James ran fly sweep after fly sweep in which he just buried himself in the DE’s chest play after play. I was sitting at a BW3 (now called buffalo wild wings) in Houston with a good friend who happens to be a Notre Dame alum for the Fiesta win. I still have a piece of the ’74 turf we tore up after the CW win (the last for 14 years). Cope was lucky when Dale’s tire was cut down by piece of a blown engine. More importantly, do you remember what happened after Mark Martin won the next race?

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            No, what happened?

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            I can’t remember precisely what it was for (something in the carburetor), but Martin was docked about 50 points after the win at (I think) Martinsville. At the end of the season, Dale was the Winston Cup Champ… beating Martin by about 20 points.

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    Is Oregon going to get to play another season without sanctions??
    I’m hearing nothing about a ruling. How does it take over a year to investigate and rule?

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      We can only hope its because the NCAA has had a lot on their plate compared to not finding anything broken rules by 0regon.

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      The “Cleaner” comes at a hefty price per hour, are they still getting billed by them?

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      I’ve tried to just forget about the UO situation. It’s like hoping a politician will do the right thing. If they get whacked eventually than bonus, otherwise I’m done with it.

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        Yeah I’m not holding my breath.

        On a related note,there is some concern about depth at running back. Apparently after Barner there’s walk ons?

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          DeAnthony Thomas in the rotation? I know he’s not a power RB but will still prolly get reps at that position.

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            He’ll get reps but he is anything but an every down back. Kelly won’t even say what position he plays.

            I’ve always thought Barner was a bit of a bitch compared to LMJ. The effort and toughness just didn’t seem to be there. I don’t know if he can carry the load and if he goes down it’ll be interesting.

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      I believe based on some strong information we will hear on UO next week and, unless you are an ‘Uck fan, brace yourself for disappointment. There is an agreement in place and nothing terribly consequential.

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        Huh…..well, maybe so. But it would sure send a funny message out, at a time when the ncaa is supposedly getting tough. The Lyles scam was big news and an obvious rule breaking with the head coach directly involved, and then an attempt at coverup by UO.

        No real sanctions and the message is, hey, its all ok again.

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    I saw in Clifff’s tweet that Riley is changing pratice schedule and not getting together on Sunday to watch film, but instead practice Mon thru Thurs, like other teams. So, they have not practiced as much as they could’ve in the past, because they have wanted to “stay fresh” for the entire season. Hence, it creates slow starts and strong finishes.

    Is this is an example of stubborness on the coaching staff, they have been horrible in September ever since Riley’s second stint started. Why has it taken this long to make the change? Well, the last two seasons overall record has been bad. It just seems like this should’ve been addressed years ago. Would you prefer a fast start and worn down at the end of the season, or slow start and finish strong?? The possible best scenario is having enough quality depth to do both. Recruit better.

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      It’s the classic Angrybeavs double bind: “Why the slow starts, something needs to change?!! ”
      After the change: “Why didn’t this change happen sooner?!!”

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        So what is your point, that change shouldn’t have happened sooner? Good one!

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          Yeah,you wanna go ahead and show your ass on national TV at least 6 times before you get your shit together.

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          Point is, when someone says they want things to be different, then change happens, I would expect a reaction like ‘I’m glad they made a change’, maybe along with the obligatory ‘why didn’t it happen sooner’ comment. But of course, every post should finish with the ‘we need better recruits’, just in case we forgot.

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            “we need better recruits”. = cop out. We need a coaching staff the can scheme around the always changing strengths and weaknesses. This staff misses that point. It’s square pegs into round holes for these guys.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            It’s “who gives a fuck if we win as long as I send quarterbacks to the NFL”.

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            I’m sure I’m making a glaring omission somewhere but, who, besides Derek Anderson, buried in the Carolina Panther lineup, although he had much opportunity elsewhere, and Matt Moore, hanging on in Miami, have made it as NFL quarterbacks? I agree, that is something to which the coaching staff has aspired – it’s just that the sending of a quarterback that I remember best is the one that went to San Diego State.

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            You have to be kidding! You have NO point. When the ourside folks, the fans, start calling for a change, it is surely way after the start of the need for a change. And so it sure as hell should have happened sooner. .

            When the staff sits on its ass thru a 5-7 and then a 3-9 season, and changes finally come, its is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT valid to say the changes should have come sooner. There should have been no 3-9 season.

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            Steve, It’s more a point about how discussions go on this web page. The general pressure in the discussions is that Riley can do little to nothing right. People say they want this or that to be different. When a change happens, like I said above, it should at least be acknowledged as a good thing, and ALSO the question of why didn’t it happen sooner can be asked.

            The discussion is pretty polarized in here. Say something good or positive, and you run the risk of being labelled a pollyanna, excuse maker, etc. When this polarization happens, it can be stifling to the discussion.

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            It is a risk. Not sure how it will pan out. The lack of depth makes injuries a deal breaker for the Beavs,so I understand the hesitance in moving away from the soft practice schedule. Like everything else this season, we will have to wait and see.

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    I’ve been following Brandin cooks on twitter. And from what I have read, he is a guy I’m glad we have on our team. Hopefully he can continue to improve on his already pretty solid freshman year.

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    All checked in for the Long Bridge Swim…blast off at 9:00. 1.76 miles to glory!

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    I figured by the UCLA game we would all know if Riley is more focused this time around. So far I have seen positive and negative indicators. On the plus side he has softly stated a goal of 1800 yds on the ground and has reportedly made a change to the in season practice routine. On the minus, he is indecisive about his plans for calling the offense himself or leaving it to “predictable dan”. Anyone else see other indicators either way?

    On the journalism front, helmsley and I have voiced our support for John Hunt on O-live but it sounds like Lindsay is gonna be the primary reporter there. BTW who the heck are Daniel Mediate and Sean Meagher?
    Cliff is pay per view, Lindsay is preoccupied with trying to sound cute, Buker is a dull memory, and Eggers is overloaded……..I sure hope silverstream is gonna be able to report on fall camp!

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      I thought he basically said he did the play calling in the spring and may in the fall, just to better evaluate various aspects. That said to me that wont be doing it in games.

      But maybe he is finessing the opposing coaches. I guess we will know, come game time.

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        Lindsay, at one point, flat out stated that Riley was taking over play calling for the season. She is the only scribe who I read saying that.

        Point here is that Riley could make a decision, say so, and that would be the end of it. We seem to have a choice between believing that he is messin’ with other coaches minds or that he is afraid to hurt Langs feelings and thus appears indecisive. I think his history supports only the second option.

        Still, maybe Kelly, Mora, Shaw, et al are actually losing sleep over this clever ploy.

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    Isaiah Watkins, PF, St. Benedict’s (NJ) has narrowed his list to (in no order) Oregon State, Miami, UW, Temple, Arky, Nova, Princeton, Duquesne, UNCC, Bonnie, URI, Niagara, and Columbia.

    Before you look at that list and say, “Well so what? Who has offered him?”

    The programs he cut from his final 13:
    Baylor, Boise, BC, Cincy, Cornell, Elon, Harvard, IU, ISU, La Salle, Michigan, Mizzou, NMSU, Nikegon, Penn, Providence, Rice, Santa Clara, SMU, St. Joe’s, Stanford, aTm, UVA, Wazzu. And he was getting a ton of attention from many, many more high majors schools.

    I am high on this kid.

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    Here’s Cliff’s take on the OL, with Riley quotes. This is the biggest concern coming into the season according to coach. He mentions the Freshman help in adding depth, because they don’t have ten available OL.

    NOTE: although its not a direct quote Cliff said Riley wanted to get 1700 yards or 140 per game, this maybe nothing but that is less than the 1800 he stated at pac12 media days, just pointing it out as something to watch to see if coach tempers his expectations as the we get closer to the season?

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/article_031d518a-dda2-11e1-b0f5-0019bb2963f4.html#.UB6S1BcxT4c.twitter

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Is it too much to ask Issac to come in and play the most metally demanding OL position, one that he has never played before???

      If it works, it could be brilliant move, but I wonder if there will be growing pains. I am all in favor of playing the young ready kids, but in positions where they can succeed. Jury still out on this.

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        From what I have read about Isaac is that physically he can play at a high level, but what makes him a special player is his football iq. I would imagine that once he officially signed and if not earlier he has had a copy of the playbook and working at it. Plus with Langdorf’s offense how hard is it to learn 5 plays?

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        Very valid question but I think if any incoming freshman in the country can do it, it’s him. Those reports from the Under Armour game made it sounds like he was one of the top lineman on either roster. Since we don’t exactly get a lot of players that are his caliber I suppose it makes sense to stick him in the position that you can build around most for the coming years.

        The biggest question for me is whether or not he’ll have the cajones as a freshman to get in some older player’s faces if they are playing lazily and/or under performing.

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      I’ve noticed that Riley has lowered it to 1700 already twice now. Schnell recently reported that same number. Don’t like it too much. What is worse is the qualifier. 140 yards x 12 games is 1680. So by saying he is happy with 140 a game he has gone from being OK with falling short of his original stated goal of 1800 to even being OK with falling short of his reduced 1700 goal as well. This Riley limbo better stop here with so much riding on this season.

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        Hold up, 12 games? I’m counting 13. Let’s hope Riley is counting 13 if not 14 games. If not that’s a bad move coming out publicly saying he is lowering the teams goals.

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          I’m actually encouraged that Riley pubilcly stated goals for the team. The altered practice schedule and Riley bringing back old plays/calling plays both also look like progress to me. Here’s hoping that there’s more going on behind the scenes to actually get the team ready to play.

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    Ot… Downtown Portland beaver store has a 50% off sale on a pretty good selection of game merchandise. Gear up!

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    OSU grad and Oregonian Rich Fellers was the only American in the London Olympics to clear all jumps with zero penalties in the Equestrian. Nice job!

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    From the High School All-Star game, Hedgecock said on air that the Beavers want him to report to camp tomorrow, he was set to walk-on, but they now have told him that a scholarship is waiting for him when school opens in Sept. He already has a full beard, manly.

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    ?@KendallRogersPg #OregonState commit @TGold_PG: RHP Tanner Draper showing usual + command & pitchability. Ks side @ACBaseballGames up 2 90, gd secondary feel

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    so did that UCLA transfer not qualify? We are stuck with Collin Kelly at RT again? Maybe we just call one of the other RT a TE and leave him in to block.

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      Must. Not. Adjust. Schemes. Does not compute…

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    In the most ridiculous news item of the day,

    It’s being reported that Johnny Hekker is the favorite for the St Louis Rams starting punter.

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-report/throwing-johnny-hekker-a-rams-secret-weapon/article_71f2065c-dc15-11e1-bc23-001a4bcf6878.html.

    Still shanking it as usual but the coaches don’t seemed too concerned.

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      “but remains erratic on his directional punts”

      “”We had a couple stray balls that have gone from one field to the other,” Fisher said, with a touch of sarcasm.”

      hahahhaha

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Like a dog sensing fear, he will shank one at the WORST possible moment.

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      I’m thinking the pro coaches address the mental aspect of kicking quite a bit, which I think is his biggest weakness. He’s got a leg.
      I really want him to succeed.

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    Silverstream doing practice reports again? I appreciate them very much and hope they continue

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      Hope so. Also, follow Brandon Sprague on twitter…

      http://twitter.com/BrandonSprague

      Chris Brown is “BIG”. Sounds like Stevenson is being moved to DB.

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        “What can Brown do for you?”

        Be a legitimate, DI impact rb…

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      Work is kind of crazy for me at the moment, but I’ll try to get down to at least a few practices each week. As usual, I’ll try to focus on one or two specific things (or players) each practice session, and simply report back what I’m seeing and hearing. To start, I’ll probably try to focus on the O-line, and especially on the new players, and how they are doing…..

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        So glad you will be at a few sessions, keep those priorities straight……..Fall Camp is only a month, work is there all the time!

        Hmmm, is that akin to Riley saying, “you always get another chance”?

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Looking forward to any reporting you can do. I want to hear how Brown looks, but esp if there might be improvement in the line blocking..

        Thanks in advance!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I wonder how Riley will respond to the loss of his father?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/08/bud_riley_former_oregon_state.html

    The article doesn’t way whether or not it was expected. Best wishes to the family. This has to be an extra challenging year for Mike Riley – first Fred Thompson now this.

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