26.Feb.2013 Baseball & General Discussion

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Baseball team can't get any love from Baseball America. Still pinned at #6 after an 8-0 start.

Some other polls:

Warren Nolan

D1

Sportswriters

The rest of the sites still have last years ranking up. Not sure what's up with that–when do they update?

Heard someone mention, in the other thread, Poyer will go in the third round. I still think he goes late first round.

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  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Was just going to mention,

    It’s hard to understand the ranking system. Arkansas loses a home game to Western Illinois, Vanderbilt loses at home to Long Beach State, and LSU loses at home to BYU, yet all 3 teams are ranked ahead of OSU who is 8-0 on the road, including a sweep of a ranked team?

    A little SEC bias maybe?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT, but why do you think Poyer goes in round 1? I think he lacks the “explosiveness” of other prospects as demonstrated in his 40 time, leaping ability, long jump, etc. Don’t get me wrong, it’d be great to see him go round 1, it just seems in a measurables obsessed league, he falls to rounds 2 or 3.

    On a related note, I think Poyer and Wheaton have the potential to really serve as good representatives of OSU. There’s no off-season any more, and they’ll be busy with their NFL careers, but I hope they find someway to come back and provide appropriate representation. I’m not even quite sure how that is defined; obviously we don’t want recruiting violations.

    It’s good to see Matt Moore returning for recruiting dinners and the like, and the Rodgers brothers showing up once in a while.

    From Gary Payton and Brent Barry to Steven Jackson and Jacoby Ellsbury, it doesn’t seem like OSU gets much out of its stars unless I’m missing something. Again, they’re all busy, but it seems like BDC could be reaching out to them more. Some of these guys have championships on their pro resumes, and Jackson is in a pretty select group of RBs to run for 1K+ yards in 8 straight seasons.

    • angry angry says:
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      Mainly because CB is one of the hardest positions to fill, and Poyer showed he’s a heady player who can both play the ball and run D. Is Trufaunt really a better CB? No. But he’s projected in the 1st round. So a value seeking coach might snag Poyer late. I would not be surprised to see him go to the pac-12 coaches (i.e. Harbaugh or Carrol) or the Patriots. There are a whole bunch of teams (TB, Carolina) in the middle of the 1st who need CBs, too, so the pool could thin out quickly.

    • whatever says:
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      “it seems like BDC could be reaching out to them more.”

      If you had said this 3 years ago, I’d agree. But they’ve really been reaching out to a lot of these guys lately. GP was at 10-12 home games with AC Green over the last couple years. Steven Jackson was at a large part of spring practice last year with a bunch more NFL players. I’ve seen James Rodgers more since he left OSU than when he was here.

      Some guys aren’t into coming back, not much you can do about that.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I remember Jackson talking to the players, saw a clip of that. Didn’t realize the others were making frequent appearances. Thanks,

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        Although not announced or promoted I’ve seen Paea in town as well.

      • Jack says:
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        It’s not a “they” thing. It’s the coaches doing it or welcoming it. BDC is just allowing them to do so. That’s one of the night and day things about hoops now and before 2008. Former players were so alienated by previous coaches that it took loong discussions with them to get them back in the fold. In the case of Steve Johnson, it took years of one on one discussions.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    I can’t complain about the Beavers staying at #6 in BA rankings, the 5 teams ahead them went a combined 23-0 this past week, nowhere to climb, really. I think the Beavers will win their next 10 games and head into conference play at 18-0. Beavers will be at least in the top 3 by then, possibly #1. All 5 teams ahead of OSU will drop a game a or 2 or in the next couple weeks, Beavers take care of their business and they’ll rise.

    Perfect Game’s rankings are funny though. UCLA has two losses and both came to mediocre teams who are unranked with one coming at home. Stanford was pretty badly outplayed in a series at Rice where Rice seemed pretty clearly like the better team at the moment but Stanford is ranked 6th in PG top 25 and UCLA #5 while the Beavers have looked better and done it on the road. I think that’s a case of someone playing favorites and not ranking based on production right now and ranking who they liked before the season. That type of thing happens a lot in college baseball.

    • Sparkyd73 says:
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      I would love for the Beavs to go undefeated in pre-pac12. But I really don’t think it is realistic. That is not the way baseball is. A four game sweep last weekend is actually quite an accomplishment against good competition.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        It is realistic. 4 games series against Bryant followed by 1 game against Portland, 5-0 in that is doable. Then 5 straight home games afterwards against 2-6 Texas State and 4-5 San Francisco. That is doable. Winning all would be tough but definitely something I think this team can accomplish.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    video from that halftime dunk contest the football players put on this weekend.
    Mostly missed attempts, but Obum Gwacham had a nice one from just a step inside the FT line, and Ryan Murphy got in a 2 handed windmill.

  • Bill says:
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    Here is the site to use for updated rankings.

    http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1

    Also, Poyer will probably end up in the 2nd or 3rd round unless he somehow runs a sub 4.4 at the pro day.

  • mckalk says:
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    A brief article in The Oregonian had Poyer in the 2nd round and some thought from “anonymous scouts” that he could end up at safety.

    Heard a rumor that the Falcons are interested in Steven Jackson. OSU backfield?

    • Grape says:
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      That would be cool if SJ went to Atl.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      “BeaverBall” or “Beaver Backfield.”

      “Beaver Package” could be a contradiction in terms, or a nice compliment….

      I think SJ at Atlanta would be productive for he and the Falcons. He’s not done; he just needs people around him who can produce too. I would think for a 2-3 year contract at a $2-3M a year it could make a difference for them despite his age.

  • helmsley says:
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    They did it again – repeat winners

    http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_123/college-roosevelt-22313-html

  • progressivebeav says:
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    Here is a composite poll, smooths out some of the outliers.

    http://www.collegebaseballinsider.com/CBI%20poll/CBIPoll130225.html

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Louisville #4 in BA and as low as #23 elsewhere. Early season/preseason polls are stupid.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Early season polls dont have a lot to work with. What are ya gonna do?

  • mb says:
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    A basketball coach at the end of game calls a timeout .He orders a mafia don style” hit ” or foul on an opposing player. The foul is taken and the consequences are ball out of bounds for the other team. This action is considered politically correct ,currently acceptable thinking. Another coach, trying to get the attention of his own player, commits a physical action by shoving his player during a timeout. This is considered politically incorrect, retrograde action with the consequences being a school and league sanction of the coach. So I ask, which action was transparent and which action was devious? Which action teaches our youth to be responsible and which action teaches our youth to be sneaky? Which action is really old school and which action is cutting edge?

    • Jack says:
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      Huh?

      Politically correct? What does that have to do with either instance?

      In the first, you have a play that occurs thousands of times during a college hoops season. It’s a foul during play. And depending on the situation (foul to stop time or to get rid of fouls to give) it’s smart play. There are rules for gauging the intensity of the foul. If you foul someone away from the ball to stop time or just shove or punch the guy with the ball, then it’s stupid and wrong and will be (except in the Pac?) called on the floor and result in the conference reviewing it.

      If a player shoves another player during a dead ball then it’s also wrong, and the player likely gets tossed depending on the situation. If a coach does it to a player, then it’s just wrong. It has nothing to do with political correctness or whatever stupid irrational argument you want to make up. It is just wrong. Period. End of story.

      If you need an explanation as to why it’s wrong, then I fear it would take all day to get nowhere with a discussion about people in positions of authority physically assaulting those who are placed in their trust. You would take the side of George Patton, Bobby Knight, child beaters and Woody Hayes. I would take the side of justice. And neither would budge.

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        Agreed. It’s not a PC issue, it’s people being more cognizant of abuse of power by people in authority. Some are saying it’s “pussification”, but it’s actually the opposite.

      • mb says:
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        Great comparison. Geoge Patton and Mike Montgomery. That really makes sense. No one has ever said that what Montgomery did is good. I merely pointed out that it is perfectly acceptable for a coach to order a push or shove or grab of another player. In the context of “the game” it is perfectly logical and acceptable with minimal consequences. In fact it is a calculation that a crime (in another context) that we call a foul, has minimal consequences. It is widely accepted, encouraged and utilized. Put that push or shove in a slightly different context in the course of the same entertainment event and the helicopter parents go ape. It doesn’t mean Montgomery shouldn’t be sanctioned. But the sanction that Zack Randolph got for mugging Brandon Rush and tearing up his knee was way less than Montgomery got for pushing a player who had no problem with the push in the first place.

        • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Z Bo also got off way too easy (no pun intended) for trying to stick it in a stripper’s pooper against her will. Allegedly (cough). Where’s the justice!!!!!!!

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          I don’t watch the NBA much, so I’m not familiar with what Doobie did to anyone since he left Portland. In fact, I didn’t know he was still in the league until the trade deadline last week when his name was mentioned as a laughable “no thanks” part of some deal. You’re talking about a game where it’s biggest stars get to take five steps and get the and-one if someone comes within four feet of them while relative unknowns have to play by the rules. That crap drives me nuts.

          I think Patton and Montgomery are similar. Patton also sucked in the post-season. And both were better than Bradley.

          • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            lets just say the portlandia po po and his former neighbors are glad he is gone. One of the biggest douchebags in NBA history on and off the court.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      The foul in the game is part of the game. Absolutely nothing wrong or politically incorrect. A coach trying to get a players attention or emphaxize a point, shoving the player, is nowadays moronically politically incorrect. So?

      Neither one teaches anything that is “wrong”, as life is full of such stuff and you need to be aware of it, and learn how to deal with it.

  • hellobeavers says:
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    Canzano story on Olive about our relationship with Nike. It was noted that the new helmets don’t look like the one that has been floating around. Columnists and reporters are so transparent sometimes – Canzano clearly needed an angle so he went with the obvious (and stupid) question on whether Nike is actually committed to us. Nike is a big enough company that I suspect they have a full team dedicated to our look…it’s not like people work on Oregon from 8-4pm and then try to squeeze in an hour or two dabbling in beaver stuff.

    I personally hope it’s not some sort of “old school” look. I don’t stay that current on the trends of teenagers, but “old school” was cool about a decade ago. It was a trend and I would hope we move on from that look for good.

    Oregon State really dropped the ball by giving up the O that we used before Oregon. We basically surrendered one of the best logo’s in college sports to our rival. Granted the value of the O could not be known back then. I wonder if they considered taking it back but then decided against it because it might be percieved that we were actually the ones who stole it.

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      …and our old O looks like Ohio State’s O too.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Don’t forget Overstock.com. They had hot spokeswoman.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        Exactly like Ohio State’s. People think I’m a buckeye fan when I wear that hat. (but they stare at it a little longer, wondering why it looks kinda orange)

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Are you sure they are staring at the O?

        • steveEbeaver says:
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          A few years back I was in Columbus moving my daughter and it was the week we were playing TCU. I wore my OS hat all the time I was there and all the buckeye fans knew it was Oregon State. All week long I got “Go beavs” and “beat the frogs”. There’s something special about being in a big-time college football town.

      • hellobeavers says:
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        It might make sense to do something with the B. Do any other schools use just the first letter of their mascot in their logo?

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          Boise State has a “B” logo they use.

        • hellobeavers says:
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          yeah, nevermind. I should have thought about it more but that’s not a very good idea.

          Regardless of what anyone told Canzano, I still think the leaked logo is it. Looks good on a helmet too. Maybe wouldn’t look so great on a baseball hat though.

          • BeavItOrNot says:
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            Love it or hate it, the leaked logo is the new logo.

            Apparently it looks much better as part of the overall scheme and incorporated in the uniforms. I am skeptical but hopeful.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      I actually don’t mind the ‘old school’ or ‘retro’ ideas. I personally really liked our pro combat uniforms. You know Nike is going to try something bold. They need to get people talking about Oregon States look or they wont make money off it (this is Nike after all and as Tinker said – they’re trying to make money off the Beavs). It’s either a newish/retro look or the same flamboyant and flashy look that Oregon has.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    Not a great showing by Poyer:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/54093/wrapping-the-pac-12-at-the-combine#comment

    I’d say that should end the prospective first round pick talk.

    • Bill says:
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      He’ll need to really improve his vertical and broad jump numbers. Those are the tests that show explosiveness and he’s scoring pretty low.

      The rest, are fine. I wouldn’t worry about a bench press unless he’s a WR. WR’s are the one’s looking for separation.

      Late 2nd rd, early 3rd is my prediction.

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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    Small preview of the new uniforms posted by Benny Beaver on his twitter today.

    http://twitter.com/BennytheBeaver/status/306906341417566208/photo/1

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      That’s a good looking shade of black.

      • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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        I agree, more of a matte/flat black like we’ve been asking for. Let’s hope it looks good full size.

      • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        if I disagreed would that make me racist?

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Benny is supposed to have new look too (other than the uniform). Wonder if he’s going to look a little more Chewbacca like? He seems to have thicker chest hair in that pic.

      • bone says:
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        When I saw Benny during the basketball games, it seemed to have put on a few pounds also. Maybe he let himself go after football season.

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        Was that Benny or is that a beaver shot of Bernice?

    • locusimperium says:
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      i find myself genuinely embarrassed to be this excited.

      • HopefulBeav says:
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        Ha I feel the same way.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I hope its not the embarrassing fashion show” like they put on when they brought out the sports bras. This is a “rebranding,” so it should have more weight and class to it. Curious which alums are going to show up.

    • Timber! says:
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      we’re still black and orange!

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Beavs offer 2014 LB recruit DJ Calhoun. Lots of competition for him. Strikes like a rattlesnake

    http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=6323510

  • dickassman says:
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    hey angry im going to santa barbara this friday any food recommendations?

    • angry angry says:
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      What type of food are you looking for?
      These are my favorites:

      Brophy Bros (if you like seafood)
      The Palace (Cajun) is great.
      All India Cafe

      • dickassman says:
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        hmm what about mexican or italian?

        • angry angry says:
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          I never found good Italian.
          I’ve heard good things about Los Agaves but never had it. There’s a great mexican place in Santa Ynez called Dos Carlitos. There’s also a really cool place in the Los Padres mountains called Cold Spring Tavern (serves pub food and game)–awesome atmosphere and good food. Pricey though.

          • dickassman says:
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            ok thanks

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            I’m shocked Jack hasn’t weighed in on this subject.

          • Jack says:
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            I’ve not eaten in SB. I know someone who owns a restaurant on the 101 on the north end of Malibu and I know a couple places in SLO, but not SB.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Dylan Davis coming up on am620 around 7:10pm, I know there is a link to listen live, just don’t have it handy.

  • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    The only Oregon State fact more head-scratching than its absence from the NCAA tournament since 1990 is that OSU hasn’t reached the .500 mark in league games in 20 years. Lately, it’s not hard to understand why; Robinson’s last three teams have been 10th, 11th and 11th in field-goal percentage defense.

    http://seattletimes.com/html/budwithers/2020438949_withers27.html

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Anybody here familiar with the John Mcafee story? Eccentric millionaire creator of Mcafee security software who’s credited with pushing synthetic bath salt drugs, accused and wanted for murdering his neighbor in Belize (after the neighbor possibly poisoned his dogs) who has escaped Belize and somehow landed in Portland, of all places. His story is so bizarre they recently aired a 2 hour Dateline special dedicated to it.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/50435154#50435154

    Well, my coworker was just telling me he found out Mcafee has moved into his apartment building in SE PDX. Small world.

    • Jack says:
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      His neighbor must have been frustrated that he couldn’t get John’s sucky software off his system.

      That still doesn’t make it right to go all Michael Vick.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        Wonder if he’ll still be manufacturing his zombie drugs?

        Yeah, poosoning dogs is almost grounds for murder. not saying itw right, but i understand.

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          Well, maybe. But one suspects the dogs were poisoned because the owner wasnt properly controlling them. So the owner is the one responsible for their death, right?

          From Yahoo:
          “Like some other tourists, Faull had been bitten by McAfee’s dogs. He had confronted McAfee about the dogs, and in fact, he had complained to local authorities about the problem a month earlier, but nothing had been done.

          Neighbors say Faull made no secret of his dislike of those dogs and had often threatened to poison them if nothing were done to bring them under control. At dinner that night, McCann says Faull seemed to claim responsibility for poisoning the dogs

          “He told me right there on the beach,” says McCann, “‘Did you hear? The dogs were poisoned.’ And he gave me a little wink.” ”

          Dog owners are often a bit nuts, and it looks like this is a case of that. But Faull, even it he didnt do it, should have realized that and got himself a handgun and been on his guard.

          Off your property, your dog has no rights whatsoever. But lots of dog owners are psycho in regard to their dog. Still, Faull wasnt as clever about this as he should have been.

          McAfee, meanwhile is a suspect, sort of, but if actually accused could be extridited to Belize. I suspect he has paid off the right officials and nothing will happen.

          Its Belize so McAfee can get away with murder.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            I think you missed the point of this whole thing. It’s that murder suspect McAfee with his harem and zombie bath salt drug productions are in Portland and they’re in the same damn building as somebody I work with.

            And no, you don’t have the right to go around poisoning dogs because they’re off their property. That still makes you a dog killer and an evil S.O.B. So stop doing it RSteve503

          • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            no, but if they are off their property and being a menace and biting people they are liable to get shot. In Oregon pets are property are are treated as such. As it should be.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Never poisoned a dog, Did get rid of a few stray cats. Good luck with McAfee being nearby. Just keep in mind that he is probably a cold blooded murderer.

            Any dog that threatens me other than on the owners property, is asking for it. Havent shot one yet, but wouldnt hesitate unless there were witnesses. But I know enough to dispose of it quietly, as dog owners can be psycho about their property.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Tuesday night I experienced one of those magical moments that makes collegiate sports so awesome. Friend’s wife had to go out of town so I got a ticket to the Indiana vs Gopher game at The Barn and witnessed the most unlikely of upsets as we knocked of the #1 team at home for only the fourth time ever. There may be equal, but there are no better venues to see a basketball game when the game is meaningful. The place was rocking and I left the game with ringing ears from crowd noise. No matter how great it is watching sports on HDTV, the energy and passion from being at a live event is unbelievable . Thank god we still have the old lady with all her idiosyncrasies.
    Anybody who was in Reser for the upset of SC Quizz’s freshman year knows the feeling. Still have a little buzz from it and will probably still be telling the story when they are changing my diaper in the nursing home in thirty years.
    Go Beavs.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Pretty cool, was meaning to ask you if you got to go. I went to the USC game you referenced under similar circumstances which made the payoff all the more great. Uncle wasn’t able to go so he gave my dad his extra tickets. My dad asked if i wanted to go and i remember thinking, “we’re probably gonna get stomped, and it’s a Thursday, but how often do you get a chance to play the #1 team at home?”
      The rest is history.

      Probably my 2nd most memorable game in Reser/Parker. (1st still goes to the 1998 Civil War 2 OT victory where fans rushed the field twice, that was epic)

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        I was thinking of going out to that game, but decided against it after the thrashing at Penn State. Still pisses me off! That would have been great.

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          Yeah I still regret passing on that game since it was on a Thursday night. I was at the 2006 game where we beat USC 33-31 and I still get excited thinking back to that day.

          • bone says:
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            Few things beat experiencing an upset in sports.

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            Was on a wilderness archery elk hunt trying to get radio coverage…lost reception at half time. Dr. Laura came in over the airwaves where the Beaver game had been playing. Didn’t know the outcome the next day after we got a nice little bull and finished up our first pack out. I’ll never forget that…

            Coincidentally, we were hunting the same area on 9/11…didn’t find out about it until almost 2 days after the fact.

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            I passed on that one too, it was my senior year of hs and I stayed home to do homework… my friend sent me a video on my phone of the screaming fans on the field after the game. still smh to this day…

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          I took my son to the Thurs USC game. On the drive down from Beaverton I remember hearing Jason Scukanek (Big Suke) ripping Beaver fans for not selling out the stadium for such a big game. I got in my 2 cents for pointing out that a greater percentage of the Beaver’s fan base live in the Portland area than do the yuck’s fan base. Making a Thursday night sellout a little harder, especially after the Penn St debacle as Beavergopher pointed out.

          The only thing better than experiencing a home upset is experiencing a ROAD upset! My best so far was the last time we beat the fighting toilet seats… all those years ago when James Rodgers was a Freshman.

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      That game made me a Beaver (and a football) fan! I was apathetic to all sports prior to that…really didn’t care. Crazy experience…

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        which game? the Civil War or the USC game? I think the Civil War game had a pretty similar effect on me.

        I was more interested in basketball that year when they had Corey Benjamin/Bickerstaff/Ron Grady/Dino Tanner. That basketball team was supposed to be the one that took us back to the tournament after a year of gelling. A year later and only 1 of those guys was still around. Basketball has never recovered. Eddie Payne could recruit, he just couldn’t keep guys happy.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        My uncle’s Playboys made me Beaver fan LOL.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          Good thing he didn’t have playgirl. You might have become a D*ck fan.

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          Between my step-dad’s Hustler’s and Craig Fertig’s coaching I spent most of my youth traumatized by Beaver.

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            I met Johnny Majors in an airport in Michigan and he talked about the time Craig brought the Beavs out to Knoxville, that both teams were lousy and neither deserved to win and wouldn’t you know it the Beavs blocked the extra point in the final minute to preserve a tie. His thoughts on Fertig, “helluva nice guy, just didn’t win many football games”.

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    Civil War basketball!!! 8:00 Tip-off!!…… crickets chirping. JB

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      Who knows anymore with this team. Beavs will probably reel off three straight wins to end the regular season and then blow a game in the Pac 12 tourney in the most excruciating way possible.

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      I can already see the story in the Duck newspapers. “Oregon Scores Late in Come-from-behind Victory Over Rival to Take 1st in Pac-12”

      Oregon will be written as heroes for recovering from a 1st half defecit. Don’t they realize that’s just how we do things? Seriously, how many conference games this year have had us leading in the 1st half and giving up the lead in the final 10 minutes? I’d love to see that stat.

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        Probably too much to hope for, two major upsets in one week. However, stranger shit has happened.
        Good excuse to drink an Oregon microbrew on a Thursday night.

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    Oregon favored by ten

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    Couple of interesting recent tweets.

    First, Mike Riley says:

    “GREAT day of recruiting around the office, really looking forward to the Class of 2014! #GoBeavs”

    it’s not a great day to be a beav tweet, but the fact that he says “GREAT” day of recruiting has me hopeful they’re making good progress on 2014 already.

    Also, new Juco signee Steven Nelson tweeted:

    Steven Nelson ?@Nelson_Island

    I strongly believe other schools have people to do their work for them I shouldn’t have to go through this ????

    Sounds like academics are holding him up a little. At least it’s good to know the program is clean and the athletes are doing their own work. Sometimes you wonder how a guy like Deanthony Thomas can pass a single college class. Listen to him in an interview sometime. Sounds like there’s lots of vacant space upstairs.

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      or Cliff “Money Be Green” Harris. Or how does LaMichael Jackson, who is dumb as post mind you, go from not being able to pass a Texas state equivalency math exam to being an academic all american as a frosh at UO? Yeah, they did their school work all on their own.

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      I remember reading somewhere that DAT had a 4.0, either he is smarter than he sounds, or Oregon is helping the athletes so much that it isn’t realistic.

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        definitely your last sentence

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        maybe 4.0 is his blood THC level?

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        You’ve heard that high schools everywhere are dropping classes like art, music, shop, home ed, drivers ed and now starting to drop sports programs as well?

        Well those classes have to go somewhere.

        Seriously though, he’s probably a communications major. That’s where they put people who can’t cut it in sociology. Although, I hear they teach sales at Nikegon as well. They call it… wait for it… marketing communications.

        I guess advertisement engineering was already taken by another industry?

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      I wonder if he’s frustrated with academics or with related, internal processes he has to go through? “I shouldn’t have to go through this” could be frustration with process.

      Hope the guy qualifies and stays qualified.

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    FUCK YOU JOE!!!

    Dribble under the hoop for 7 seconds, then travel. Sick work.

    At least Roberto is finally living up to his potential.

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    FUCK YOU JOE AND YOUR UGLY FUCKING HOOK SHOT!

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    Anybody have a link to stream this? ESPN360 is blacked out and i don’t have ESPNU. Pretty sad thisrivalry game isn’t on tv for the average viewer.

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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    God the Beavs are fucking sloppy.

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    anyone have a link? espn3 isn’t working for me…

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    Classic Ahmad Starks. Dribbles for about 8 seconds, then takes a contested three and misses it of course.

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    19 points for Roberto…in the first half.

    He’s really coming into his own as a scorer.

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      he still takes quite a few ill advised (shitty) shots and plays out of control at times as well

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    BERTO TOO GOOD!!!

    Hits the 3 at the buzzer(ish) for 22 at the half. Just carrying us right now.

  • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    beavs by 7 at the half. Nelson with 22 and a deep 3 at the end of the half. How will the Beavs fuck it up this time? I bet I can turn it off and know the results.

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      Altman will adjust at halftime and shut down Nelson. Craig Robinson will say – “good job, keep it up.” With a little luck, Burton’s foot still hurts. I’m trying to decide at what point I’ll turn off the 2nd half.

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      Whiskey, you are probably right, but it’s been a weird game…..Burton and Moreland both actually made two free throws in a row.

      Luck O’ The Beavs

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    That dunk by Moreland was INSANE…and they called a charge and a tech on him because he jumped so high his knees hit the defender. Where are his knees supposed to go exactly?

    That’s a SportsCenter dunk, for sure.

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      no, they called a Tech because he stood and stared at the UO player on the floor after he dunked on him. It was the correct call as was the charge

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        Feet were moving, wasn’t a charge.

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          possibly, I’d have to see a replay. I initially thought it was the correct call. The T was certainly the correct call

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            If the T was a correct call, then Woods deserved one for the same on one of his dunks. I thought at first Moreland was looking at him because it was just a plain dirty play by Woods. He had no chance to get there before Moreland did, and he undercut him. If Moreland doesn’t hit the rim solid, he’s on his head.

            He was clearly moving and under the hoop.

            I don’t understand why Woods gets all these calls. He’s not a particularly smart kick-a-pregnant-woman-lying-on-the-ground-multiple-times kind of player. He gets a foul called on Moreland for hid dirty play. He gets one called on Burton for a pick that moved about 15 feet. He gets a foul called on Collier because Collier clearly git his raised elbow with his face. And the foul that got Burton ejected should result in him getting a Flagrant 1 by the Pac 12 office after someone somewhere in this world decides to finally review it.

            Both Nikegon games were losses because of depth. Angus rules the court against that school for some reason, and he would have bent Woods over yet again if he was there.

            But then losing late leads is almost always about depth and experience.

            Can someone out there explain how Damyean Dotson pushes off and gets the call on the play he got hurt? Maybe he learns to stop pushing off with his elbow like that since that’s what turned him upside down when he tried it against Moreland’s torso? That was just a dumb self-inflicted injury. And that’s just because he pushed himself sideways. That’s not even taking into account his decision to try to go to the hoop after a foul on the floor. I know the refs were calling continuation for the Ducks tonight, a one team special case I guess. But that play was so far out that the ref was halfway through his wave-off before Dotson took off.

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            disagree on depth being the issue we lost this game

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            That’s all? No explanation? Ever?

            It’s the major reason we’ve lost most of our games this year. And it hurts more this year because all our incoming frosh are swings and guards.

            Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe I haven’t seen a bunch of frosh on the floor during meaningful time in this or any game this year.

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            Oh… and Moreland wasn’t even in the first Nikegon game.

            It’s pretty easy to guard a team who has no bigs.

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            Check that… Moreland was in the first one with a 9-9 game.

            So it was the same game.

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            Depth has to be a factor with Brandt and Gomis out and we will see if their healthy return leads to a better team next year, but with all of the second half collapses this year, I wonder about conditioning. To my layman eyes, Collier looks slower and less able to get clean looks, Starks doesn’t look as explosive, Burton is heavier, Roberto is a creative scorer, but does a lot of it under duress.

            I think this team has a lot of execution issues and as a group I’m not impressed with their basketball IQ’s or leadership so far, but to me they just look tired. That does not excuse CR, he’s responsible for it all, but I wonder about some of the players and their dedication to fitness.

          • Jack says:
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            Hmmm… if only depth issues could explain a team getting more tired than their opponents as a game wears on. Then I might make sense.

          • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            it was late and I have this thing called a job. I’ll explain my position later

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            I was actually wondering out loud more about conditioning than depth. They do not seem as well conditioned as last year. I don’t have anything to go on except what I am seeing and in general they don’t look as fast or explosive as last year.

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            Burton, Moreland and Collier are our front court, and Moreland doesn’t really play there on the offense. Then you have the three guards and four frosh. Unless you have elite recruits, frosh take a year to get acclimated then an off-season to mature physically… a lot like football only they have to play and be on the floor to know how deep they’re in it.

            But when you’re smaller than every team you face and half your roster is frosh, you’re probably going to look winded at times

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            far be it from me to shoot down your depth issue but here goes. OSU went 9 players deep last night. Oregon went 11. However Dotson went down in the first half and did not return and played only 10 minutes. Willie Moore and Colton Baker only played a minute each for the ducks. Victor Robbins played 3 minutes. Players that played 10 minutes or more was 7 each. Each team has 5 timeouts per half and there is a TV timeout every 4 minutes. So your argument that OSU gets worn down in the 2nd half isn’t even an argument. It’s an excuse. Every time we get run in the 2nd half is because the other team makes an adjustment and we do nothing. UO shot 5 more FT’s and made 4 more. That is not the reason we lost. we had 18 turnovers and 12 were in the 2nd half. That is a pretty telling statistic in itself. The ducks also scored 17 more points in the 2nd half and shot a higher percentage. Sorry but the main reason we suck so bad is because we do not commit to playing defense for an entire 40 minutes. Every player on our team is seriously flawed in some way. They either play horrible defense (most of them), play out of control at times (Burton, Nelson, Moreland and Collier) are an offensive liability (Barton, Reid, Robbins) or are a one trick pony (Olaf and Starks). The sum of the parts just does not add up. Having Gomis and Brandt would certainly help to an extent and yes it is possible we could have a couple more wins at most imo. But when you add up the sum of the parts and top it off with shitty coaching and no adjustments being made it is what it is. I also continue to be dumbfounded by CR’s inability to recruit a decent point guard. Starks is a shooting guard and a streaky shooter at best. I also fail to see any type of an offense being run. If we do have an offense it isn’t the “modified princeton offense”. There is no reason for Joe Burton, Moreland or Collier to be handling the ball outside the 3 point arc. None whatsoever. They are not a threat to drive the ball to the hoop or even hit that shot. I look back at CR’s first year and think what the hell happened? That team actually played defense. Has our coaching staff stopped preaching defensive fundamentals? Every conference team sans Utah has been able to consistently do whatever they have wanted. Our defensive rotations are shit. I have never seen a team give up more uncontested 3 pointers in my life. We are a bad defensive team. That is the bottom line. All the depth in the world is not going to change that. Until OSU starts playing good, hard nosed defense for 40 minutes this is how it is going to be. That is my biggest gripe about CR. He’s done it before with less athletic players. So why aren’t we doing it still?

          • Jack says:
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            Ahhhh… I’m starting to see now.

            You have no clue what you’re watching, but you think the results tell the tale.

            If we were to stall on every single possession of every single game then we could go back to shitty hoops where we might be never blown out of any game because we restrict possessions. We might win one or two also, and that was just good times.

            Count the number of hard nosed post players our side played last night.

            Look hard at the size of our team.

            We’re tiny.

            Why does nobody get this?

            It’s not rocket science. And to be honest rocket science isn’t that hard either. It’s just a job where you can never be wrong.

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            Nice try again Jackoff. Moreland 6’10, Olaf 6′-9, Collier 6′-8. Yeah we’re tiny. That’s totally the fucking problem. And I don’t know what I am watching? Nice try sonny. You are obviously a fucking idiot that doesn’t know jack or shit about basketball. Keep watching this train wreck though and see that nothing will change with or without Brandt as long as CR is allowed to continue to coach. Maybe someday you’ll learn something. Wow just wow. You lost what little basketball IQ credibility you had with that post.

          • Jack says:
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            That’s your argument?

            Ohhhh! I get it now. You are sooooo right.

            How could I not see Olaf’s interior prowess. And Moreland’s bulk is just so hard for anyone to contend with. I am such a fool for thinking that a frosh and soph couple of featherweight swings constituted a giant front court.

            Thanks for setting me straight on that one. Now other teams can stop pushing us around and dunking on us and getting us in foul trouble with their much smaller bigs.

            I’ll go talk to them now.

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            Not to mention, calling traveling seemed to be back in vogue against the Beavers, but not the Ducks. I liked it when Singler ran into the wall of players (some of them his own), fell back two steps with no call and was able to feed Artis for an open three. I don’t like to whine about the officiating because the Beavs have a lot of problems as a team right now, but I’m thinking Oregon winning the P-12 is the sexy choice for the league right now.

          • Jack says:
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            I was wondering about those calls. I wasn’t going to bring them up because the refs were worse on more serious calls.

            But Barton’s three walks weren’t walks even if the refs wanted to be technical about them. Starks’ double dribble late in the game was just a pop off the floor. I could see it from a mile away. But the ref who was right in front of him and waited three seconds to make the call has never seen anyone pop the ball off the floor before?

            The walk on Olaf was a walk. But the Nikegon guards would catch the ball on one foot then jump once more to a walking stop. And a couple times they would then use the second foot as a pivot. That stuff just drives me nuts.

            Oh! Continuation! That drives me nuts also.

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      Dont defenders have to be set anymore? The defender slid under Moreland, that should have been a three point play for the Beavs. Plus, the defender looked like he had a foot on the line. Monster dunk though.

      Beavs will lose this game their defense has so many wholes in it, the other team will always have a wide open shot if they are patient.

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    Reid does nothing to warrant playing time.

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    i hope i am wrong but 2nd half history feels like it is repeating it self no defense selfish basketball

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    Olaf with the 3 gives them the “Schaft”

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    Just tuned in to the game and found out that Craig Robinson is coaching our Oregon State Ducks. Nice to hear that the announcers came prepared. I wonder how the Ohio State Wolverines and Duke Tarheels are doing.

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      Haha I heard that too. So dumb.

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      At least he corrected himself after he said “…as Singler leads this Duke team down the floor.”

      It took him a couple seconds of dead air for him (and his partner?) to digest what he said, but he did finally correct himself.

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    13:41 left and UO in the bonus. I can see where this is going. A parade of FT’s to the end

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    Shaftenar is so weak

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    This half is just brutal, as all our second halves are. Roberto hasn’t taken enough shots, the Ducks are hitting all of theirs(or getting foul calls/FTs). Just classic OSU.

    I love Craig as a recruiter and a money-guy, but he is a hideous coach. We have no offense and no defense. How is that even possible?

    Wasting our team’s actual talent.

  • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    fuck phil knight. pos

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    I’m done. Switching over to the Gonzaga game

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    Oregon’s offense now is Dunk Dunk Dunk Dunk Dunk Dunk. What’s Craig going to do about this?

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    Done as well. Makes me sick to watch Craig “Coach”; he couldn’t coach a 12-and-under game, but because he gives good publicity to the school, he’ll be around forever.

    • Jack says:
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      Losing is good publicity?

      What world do you live in?

      • OneEyedKing says:
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        Being the President’s brother-in-law is excellent publicity. We were losing before he got here, too, but people are aware of us because of his connections. How was that not obvious?

        • Jack says:
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          That was a rhetorical question, not a leading one.

          A leading one would be, “Does your fantasy involve the rationalization that coaches are only coaches because of good publicity derived from their siblings’ popularity?”

          If you wanted to rationalize that the large amount of money he brings into the program is indirectly because some donors like his relatives and part with their money because of it… that would be a better argument. But I could see that one devolving to selling sleep-overs in the Lincoln Bedroom pretty quickly.

          Remember, BDC is a bean counter. The one thing CR does that nobody has done since Jimmy was coach is he has the program in the black. And I’m not talking about revenues eking out expenses because of accounting tricks here and there (profit has, btw, doubled in a poor economy… go figure). I’m talking serious coin being donated because we have a coach who actually goes out and asks people for it and tells them he will plow it back into the program in the form of hot tubs… er… I mean capital improvements and the like.

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            Don’t you mean he he has the program in “the of color” , not black, you racist bastard LOL.

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            Wait… I thought calling people colored was bad.

            I’ve known a woman since college who would rant on people who called her African American.

            “What makes you think I’m African? Am I speaking Swahili, and I don’t know it? I’m standing here in front of you as a black American, and don’t you forget it.”

            The best rant ever from her was when someone listened to that mini-rant then pointed at me and called me an Anglo-American to try to prove his point. Man did she rip him up one side and down the other. And she was always so calm when she did it.

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    FIRE ROBINSON.

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    Robinson post game: “I’m really proud of our guys etc etc etc…”

    • Jack says:
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      Did he actually say “etc etc etc?”

      That would be awesome.

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        What would be really awesome if he went “urban” and ended all sentences with “and shit”, called the the other team motherfers, bitches, and ho’s.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Tony Woods is a piece of shit. 2nd time in 3 weeks that he elbows a guy above the head. Of course this time the refs look the other way and call the foul on Burton and he fouls out. Even the Duck broadcasters said it was an elbow on Woods that should have been a flagrant 1.

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      He’s a piece of shit for that?

      He should be in prison right now.

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    Ducks are going get theirs someday…Karma will prevail, and if it doesn’t I will die knowing Ducks fans have no soul

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      F the Ducks, F Altman and all of his goddamn transfers. I hope next year blows up in his face, but I’m sure they will somehow find some more transfers that have no problem quickly becoming eligible.

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    I am glad it is baseball season.

  • JD says:
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    Welp. The Beavs sure know how to follow their own recipe. Play well in the first half, mix in 0 second half defense, poor officiating and good halftime adjustments by the opponents coaches.

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    At least Moreland’s dunk got #3 on top ten plays.

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    Just checked the official stats, and this has got to be a typo. The official attendance for the game was 10,621.

    There were maybe 6,000 there that I could see, and I had a good seat. And I think I’m probably being generous on that count.

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      Then again, they might report attendance at the Jellyfish like they do at Autzen. Maybe they do a head-count on every person working for the media, concessions, security, parking lots, both teams and their staffs, etc., etc., etc.

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    yeh, …phil knight’s the devil, players should be in jail, and fuck altman. I’m sure you’re right.

    This must be some sort of cleansing therapy, that puts everything in the universe back in it’s proper place.

    Let me know how that works out for ya.

    • Jack says:
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      Don’t know anything about PK or DA myself. And it’s not “players.” And it’s not “jail.”

      It’s Tony Woods. And it’s prison. And one should be inside the other right now, as I type, as you read.

      He kicked a woman hard enough that he fractured her spine. And those were just the fresh injuries on her body.

      But maybe he was just showing his eight month old son how not to act in an instructional kind of way since he beat the woman in front of the kid.

      Doesn’t work for me. Sleep tight Duckie.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Sounds like I don’t need to watch the second half on the DVR.

    • Jack says:
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      It hasn’t even been a running joke for the last month. The other team figures out that we’re a short team who doesn’t have anyone with any length who can post up, and they pressure the perimeter and clog the lane.

      It’s easier than pie to beat a smaller team… smaller by far at every position. And it’s hard for us to find anyone our size in the league. We found plenty in the non-con, but league play is different.

      I don’t know why this is so hard for everyone to figure out. Did we think the 2009 and 2010 football teams had a chance in hell of succeeding with the O-lines we had those years? We expected them to not give up, which they did more than once. But did we expect greatness from walk-ons?

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    OT – looking at one writer’s rankings, its impressive to me how many opposing team’s players this past football season are considered among the best in the draft. At every level of the defense there is some player from a team OSU faced (if you include the bowl game).

    http://nfl.si.com/2013/02/26/2013-nfl-draft-defense-position-rankings-post-combine/?sct=uk_t11_a4

    I don’t know how OSU’s strength-of-schedule ranked out at the end, but they faced some pretty talented teams.

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    Cliff’s piece today hits on team chemistry, seems Boyd has the same good impression as many here have pointed out. He specifically mentions selflessness and lack of Senior/Freshman caste system.

    That chemistry thing is real, and while winning usually helps, it is facing a loss or two that will be the real test. Here’s hoping that test isn’t faced until the team reaches GB’s predicted 18-0 !!

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      Is it Boyd going today?

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        Cliff says its Boyd today.
        Looks like 50% chance of rain both Sat and Sun.

  • mb says:
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    Regarding pushing and shoving in basketball, please read Ben Cohen in WSJ regarding Butler Basketball defense. Perhaps this could be a lesson for the Beavers.

    • Jack says:
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      That explains some of it but not all. The Ducks were hand checking the ball on the point with fully extended arms, and Woods was hitting people in the head with raised arms. As I understand the article, Butler is taught not to do this stuff because the refs would suddenly see their aggression as fouls. That fine line would have been erased, and they wouldn’t be playing tough anymore. They would be playing dirty.

    • Jack says:
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      To go further on this idea, I can tell you as a college hockey fan that aggressive play is not the same as getting away with breaking the rules. And most of you here would probably say the same in football. But in hockey there’s a big difference between strong fore-checking and plays like cross checking, boarding, interference and charging. And it’s not clean play just because the refs don’t call it. It really detracts from the game.

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    For anyone with any TV service except Dish (and a premium sports package), Army and Navy Academy will be playing in the CIF-SS SD D-IV championship game today at 1pm on Time Warner Cable SportsNet (ch.691 DTV). I’ve got my DVR set, and I’ll watch N’diaye to see what he’s got (and what we’re lacking in Corvallis right now).

    I’m also interested in his PG, Devin Watson. He’s a 5’10” 2014 prospect who can really fill it up as well as dish it on a high level. OSU and Cal are obviously talking to him. But so are the SD schools. I don’t often think kids go to schools just because a teammate goes. But I get the feeling Watson loves being N’diaye’s teammate.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      We are lacking a decent coach.

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        There are a couple good coaches at OSU. Wrestling, baseball and gymnastics come to mind.

        If you’re talking about the personal angle, I can tell you from meeting almost all of them that they are all good people.

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    Matt Boyd with a hit and walk allowed in the top of the 1st

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      Back-to-back strikeouts from Boyd to end the top of the first with no score

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    1 out single by Tyler Smith and Conforto goes down on 3 pitches. Awful at-bat.

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    Bryant with a leadoff single to start the 2nd after the home plate umpire called a perfect pitch by Boyd over the middle of the plate a ball

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    Long day just got home. Anyone have a feed?

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