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Midweek games this week. Start time is 5:35 Pacific.
Really hate this series. SF is a decent team, and the Beavs are going to blow through some pitching playing these two games. Only one game off before facing Arizona. Don't like it. My guess is Starr and Bauer/Painton to get the starts, but right now it is TBD.
Beavblazer says: Hopefully they save the big guns for the weekend. I don’t mind losing 1 of these games at the expense if it means having a near full strength bullpen for UA. Hopefully the bats give them some cushion to work with.
Issaquahbeav says: Taking a loss to SF wouldn’t be all that bad, as it would take the winning streak pressure off.
steveEbeaver says: The good news is that Arizona is also playing two mid-week games (Butler) the ducks are also playing two against Texas State.
Jack says: Way OT…
I personally like thin crust pies. But some of you may feel differently. It’s easy as pie to make your own pizza, and it comes out much better than delivery or in-store if you do it. Just google the kind of crust you like and make it.
The secret, as told to me by an old woman just recently, is to bake the crust first. Then you spread just a small can of tomato paste on top (half a can if you’re only making one). Then you sprinkle some pizza herb mix (google or bulk bins help) on top and add cheese. Add whatever toppings you like after that. Just make sure meats are cooked or cured before you add them.
Save yourself money and enjoy pizza for once in your life.
Make it yourself.
Jack says: Actually, I learned the paste and seasoning from an old pro only as a shortcut. She says the way they made it in her shop was to crush fresh tomatoes and garlic and add the seasoning to the saute to just cook it down for a bit. That’s all it takes for homemade sauce. So I’d have to agree. Too bad tomatoes are just starting now.
JD says: Beavers leading the nation in team ERA by half a run (I’m disqualifying Dartmouth since they have played only 3 games).
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/baseball/d1/current/team/211
GoBeavs90 says: 5-1 USF now. That’s probably the game. Pretty insurmountable deficit with how the offense has looked. Jake Rodriguez’s inability to block a swinging third strike costs the Beavers. Barnes dropped a potential double play ball that cost the Beavers a run in the first. Poor starting pitching, offense and defense really hurting the Beavers tonight
GoBeavs90 says: Bavers at-bats have been extremely all night long. Every other deficit this season I felt OSU could come back from, not tonight. Team just looks flat. Got to bounce back tomorrow.
GoBeavs90 says: Tonight’s starter for USF came in with a 7.11 ERA and had made 3 starts already. Beavers managed 1 hit off him. Was evident early on that the team was extremely flat. Was bound to happen eventually, hopefully the loss gets them refocused heading into conference play.
angry says: I feel like they’re often flat in midweek games. I’d like to see their record in these games.
OT – Andy Levitre gets 5 yr $39M deal with Titans. Apparently makes him the second highest paid guy on the team behind RB Chris Johnson.
Does that top Steven Jackson’s last deal? Is Levitre’s contract the biggest Beaver NFL contract to date?
hellobeavers says: This guy thinks Oregon State basketball will win the PAC 12 Championship next season:
I actually thought Nelson was a Senior. Glad he will be back. The writer failed to mention another reason that gives me a lot of hope – Joe Burton won’t be on the team anymore. It sounds like Burton put up good numbers this season, but from watching him I feel like he is hurting the team in other ways that I can’t pinpoint. It’s probably just the ill advised hook shots and bad passes. Plus he is just slow and his head is always down.
Is anyone here a basketball expert (Jack) and willing to give an assessment of how things might turn out differently next season? I would assume Robinson will be given some very clear instructions this offeseason from BDC that he needs to get this thing turned around right away.
Jack says: He’s wrong on Starks. Ahmad should move to the sixth man and plug in for a change of pace. Barton will be the PG next year, and he’s starting to show it. And Cooke will likely pick up back-up minutes (and do it well). LMW and Robbins will fill in as G/F combos and probably get a lot of looks when we need a three guard set or a swing with a big frontcourt.
Olaf is strictly a face-up swing right now. He has some bttb skills, but he’s just a SF in a big body. He surprised me late when he showed really quick lateral movement on perimeter D. The same can not be said of Moreland. Eric is a PF with some perimeter skills. But he needs to patrol the baseline and take his dribble-drives from the corner. Corners are also the most likely spots for a player like him to develop a perimeter shot. He needs to space himself into the corners (short and long), set screens down and back and be ready for anything headed for the rim. And Moreland will be a ton better on help D since we add three huge players to the roster next year. I expected Collier this year to do what I think Moreland should do next year. Collier desperately needs to knock down 10-15 foot jumpers, or he’s going to be beat on the head and shoulders with no respect from the refs again next year. He’s worked on that shot, but it’s only showing at the line. He needs to draw the D out. Reid needs to do the same. He can handle and slash better than Collier, but nobody respects that if you can’t shoot over them.
That leaves Angus, Gomis and N’diaye to play the C. We currently have nobody at the position. Zero C’s playing this year, three next year. That alone should be a glaring difference. I know Gomis and N’diaye are tilted to the D end. But they both can run and are really quick to the ball when it’s overhead. They work harder than their talent, so their talent will eventually catch up. And Angus won’t have to work as hard as he would have had to this season to get the same results with the two bigs behind him. That will probably help his rehab more than anything.
The final note will be our perimeter shooting. We will have Angus, Berto, Ahmad, Olaf, Barton, LMW, Robbins and Cooke. Any one of those players can let loose at any time with a pretty good chance it goes in. It took a while for this year’s frosh to get into that groove, but they’ll be there next year. But Cooke will not need any time to learn his shot in the college game. He will be the best pure shooter of any on our roster. So this year we have three frosh and a soph PG whose role was undefined until late, two juniors and one DNP. Olaf was obviously given the green light to take pressure off Ahmad and Berto. But it took him forever to warm up, so those two suffered all season long.
No bigs and two consistent shooters makes for one long season. I don’t know about winning the league next year. But I wouldn’t bet against them to start the season. I still would hesitate in any league where Monty is a coach and UCLA and Zona can pull in elite talent on a yearly basis.
It’s pretty much a NCAA or bust season next year, whether we win the Pac or not.
mckalk says: This guys comments on Starks show that he actually hasn’t paid much attention to Beaver hoops this year and therefore has little credibillity. The Beavs need Barton to further his development to have a credible PG. Starks isn’t a PG and if he continues his second half play into the start of next year, he may not even be a factor at all. Any of a number of players could average 4 points a game with a better shot selection.
Maybe the bigs grow during the off season and come out strong, but to predict anything above .500 right now doesn’t make a lot of sense. Colorado on the other hand, will be loaded.
ObjCritic says: OT – 10 players to watch in the Pac-12 next season. OSU DE Scott Chricton makes the list:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/photos/1303/pac-12-players-to-watch-2013/9/
Beavblazer says: It’s pretty telling that nobody is in here commenting on the Pac 12 tourney game being played Vegas going on right now with Oregon State playing Colorado.
FWIW- team looks nervous and is down 9-4 early. Several unforced turnovers so far, including Olaf passing down low from the 3 point line and passing directly to a Colorado player. His aim is about as bad passing from out there as it is shooting.
On the plus side, Moreland looks like he’s ready to play some ball. Too bad a team can’t play 1 on 5 with much success in basketball.
JD says: Can’t watch the game here at work but the Beavs are getting killed on the boards. Colorado has already taken 10 more shots than OSU
Beavblazer says: I’ve seen Colorado just ball the ball out of bounds twice now. It’s a battle to see which team wants this win the least! I still think OSU can win that battle.
Beavblazer says: half court shot at halftime buzzer good for CO. They’re up 32-26
Colorado had the ball because Barton couldn’t dribble the ball up the court and let it go out of bounds, leading to possession for CO with 1.1 seconds to go, and of course they hit the shot.
helmsley says: does it seem to anyone but me – that the Beavs can defend until the last few seconds and the other team seems to always make the shot.
Beavblazer says: It’s always a good sign when teammates shove each other while on the court. Reid takes exception to some advice/critique Moreland is giving him after Reid fouls a CO player. Reid shoves Moreland away. good stuff.
Jack says: Moreland was telling Reid to cool it. Reid got smacked with an elbow in the face on the first rebound/loose ball then thought he caught a clean ball on the second. He was hot and giving the ref the business until Moreland stepped in. And he almost did it again when Eric left him alone again.
GoBeavs90 says: In order to win this game, the Beavers needed Joe Burton, Eric Moreland and Roberto Nelson to really step up in the 2nd half, just hasn’t happened.
Beavergopher says: I thought his turquoise shoes would tip the game in our favor. Those things are pure magic.
mckalk says: Glass half full….at least the record was so bad this year that we won’t have to debate the merits of a CBI appearance. I half expected that with a couple of wins in the P-12 tourney that the Gazelle Group would come calling again.
GoBeavs90 says: Beavers are down 1-0 yet again in the top of the first. Batter should have struck out looking, pitch right down the middle called a ball.
orangejulius says: On the radio last night there were a couple of calls that the broadcaster sounded absolutely incredulous about. I’ve heard some “well that didn’t look like a strike” type of chatter before and I know there should be some homerism but is the umping really as bad tonight as he made it sound last night?
JD says: Starr doesn’t fool anyone. It’s great that he has battled back from injuries but he just doesn’t have the stuff to be a part of this rotation.
GoBeavs90 says: Very good 2nd inning from Starr. Executed his pitches much better and most importantly great location on them.
GoBeavs90 says: The Beavers have played some really bad defense tonight. Cost them two more runs. 6-5 Beavers after 6 1/2 innings
rsteve503 says: Cou8ld we be looking at the coming series with Arizona? Doesnt seem like the team that hadnt lost.
GoBeavs90 says: Beavers escape with a 6-5 win. Much better production from the offense tonight, but the need more focus defensively this weekend against Arizona. Can’t beat yourself. Beavers are now 16-1
Did it look like Max touched the ball on final DP? 1-4-6-3?
Anyway, good for Peterson to get the bad taste out and good to see Tyler able to take the field.
whiskey soaked napkins says: just back from the game and the beavs should have gotten swept. Beavs were gifted 2 runs on an obvious foul fall ruled fair over 3rd base. Be interesting to see if the USF coach files a formal protest.
GoBeavs90 says: And Kavin Keyes would have had another chance to drive the runners in. USF got two runs on a dropped fly ball to center. Both teams got some breaks to score. It happens.
whiskey soaked napkins says: One was on a mistake by the Beavs (dropped fly ball). The other by an umpire (not a mistake by the Beavs or USF). Completely different stories there. One was a mistake you have control over. The other was not. Yes Keyes would have gotten another swing if it would have been properly ruled a foul ball. He also could have grounded out to end the inning. Either way it was a gift by the umpire.
rsteve503 says: I think the plate ump in the first game was calling a funny game and maybe unsettled the Beaver hitters. Thats part of the game.
In any case, its lucky for one side or the other when you make a bonehead play, whether the ump or a player does it.
And since the ump called it a fair ball, ….it was, a fair ball. You can moan all you want if you are the coach on the bad side of the call, but making calls is part of the game.
whiskey soaked napkins says: that was not my point. Why is this concept so difficult for some of you to understand that you make counterpoints that are comparing apples to oranges? My point was the beavs made a mistake that was within their control (dropped routine fly ball). USF did not. They got a screwgie on something totally out of their control. Had the shoe been on the other foot every beaver fan on the face of the earth would have been bitching that we got screwed and should have won. We were gifted 2 runs by the umpire. OSU gifted USF 2 runs on a mental error. I am more concerned about that since without that drop this game would not have been so close. Without that gift from the umpire USF could have easily and probably should have won this game. And for the record I don’t give a shit what the umpire called. It was a foul ball by at least 2 feet. I was sitting in section 4 (1st base side) almost even with the 3rd base line. Everyone around us saw and said the same thing. It was clearly a foul ball.
3GBeavs says: WSN, I too was at the game, third base side. Yes that ball probably was foul. Yes you are correct the dropped fly ball by Davis was in the control of the beavers. I think rSteve is right, it goes with what the ump calls (even if it’s wrong) and what you do in those situations. If we’re to be honest about umpires screw ups, then Ryan Barnes should have been safe at first during the run down when he dislodged the ball from the USF player getting back to the bag. From our view he was clearly safe and the ball dropped on contact, and Barnes was not out of the base path and was safe. But the ump called him out. Who knows what would have happened there Barnes was aboard with no outs. I agree with rSteve, umpire decisions are part of the game, good and bad. AND I agree with you that the mental error of dropping a routine fly ball is an issue. All game fans in our section were commenting on fielders catching balls with one hand not two. Last I checked they still taught little league kids to use two hands, for just the reason you saw last night.
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