05.May.2013 Baseball Cameras Clarified

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Just a quick update for those interested in the switch from BNO streams to Pac-12 streams.

I received confirmation that the streaming operation is the same as it has been since 2008. The past two years of TV on Root were the same crew of students on camera as the stream, augmented by graphics and with Jim Wilson and Erik from KEZI doing commentary. As everyone knows, the stream is no longer a subscription service. This crew works on campus and point their encoder to the Pac-12 streaming servers, which streams for free without requiring a BNO subscription.This year, when the Pac-12 TV network covers a game, the coverage is a completely separate operation–they roll in their own cameras and setup their own production. The old BNO crew isn't involved in those productions.

In the past, apparetly the complaint was no overhead camera. This year, the complaint is that there's no CF camera (my complaint too, which is why I looked into the matter).

Also, as noted here a month ago, it seems there's legs to the rumor Pat Casey asked the CF camera be removed. I've heard this from various people.

http://www.pure-orange.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/bscbaseball?cmd=get&cG=6313930363&zu=3631393036&v=2&gV=0&p=

OSU is notoriously clandestine, so hopefully this sheds some light.

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  • Jack says:
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    Clandestine?

    Notoriously so?

    Oh key dough key.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      That's what I was thinking.  Their sports info department just got that "super 11" award.

      • angry angry says:
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        And Obama won a peace prize.

        Since when do awards = reality?

        There are too many unaddressed issues to list…e.g. tension with Gary Payton, Barney Graff, depression/drinking problems (i.e. Yeskie, Parker, etc), being mysterious about funding track, crying poverty after the p-12 windfall but not producing documents to back it up, and then simple things like when a player leaves the team (e.g. nobody knew Garret Nash left). Now they take away the CF camera with no explanation, and people accept this as normal? I have a list of emails to Bob D with ~50 other issues that have never been addressed. Employees have contacted me to say OSU won’t let them talk.

        Anyway, can we get a god damn explanation from OSU as to why there’s no CF camera? Is that really too much to expect?

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          Maybr the award is partially based on how those schools compare to others with regard to shared info.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Gophers also won a Super 11 award. I'm soooooooo proud of my alma maters.

            I would rather have them the beat the quacks and BADgers in the rivalry games. Oh well.

            BTW Angry, loved the Peace Prize comeback. LOL.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Let's get some "Super 11 Champs 2013" t-shirts made.  It'll burn those quacks asses.

        • Jack says:
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          Meh.

          It's a relative value. Standing alone, OSU can be seen as not transparent in several veins. But comparatively they are wide open. They have to be so since their funding comes from public sources. You have to just put in the time researching the money trails. Now, that doesn't mean the philosophy isn't stodgy and conservative in the face of the moving target we see in college sports. That's a valid ideal to rail against. That's what we do here.

          If you're complaining about the "why" of every decision rather than the decision itself, then the safe bet is that our AD is a beancounter and nothing more. There's nothing illicit in the motives. But there may be defense mechanisms in place which make the simple explanations seem salacious.

          There's nothing mysterious about funding T&F. I don't know where you get that one. Kelly Sullivan did a magnificent job over several years gathering that cash. And thanks to people like the Whytes, Vin Lananna and Dick Fosbury that money came in slowly but surely… and in a couple big chunks. But that money was given with the express wishes that it would go to T&F and nothing else. Bobby D let Sullivan collect that money if he could and gave him little support to do so. The same can be said of the hoops practice facility. Nothing was gained without the efforts of the coaches. And everything was gained without the efforts of the AD beyond hosting events and a couple discretionary gifts.

          If you feel stonewalled, you might try developing some relationships with people who know and can tell you the simple truth. Try asking some simple questions first. Then ask the toughies once they know your tack. Someone like Doug Oxsen is a good person to know. But he'l cut you in half if you're just using him… all 6'10" of him. He appreciates the truth and the hard work involved in both of the above mentioned funding initiatives. And without him one or both would never have happened.

          Respect him and he'll respect you.

          Obama should never have won a peace prize. And 10/20 hindsight makes that more obvious. Give Jimmy Carter a peace prize for every day of his life, but Obama is just another thug making more enemies than he is settling minds. He's not one-tenth the ass idiot boy is/was, but he's pretty bad.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Off topic

    Did anybody catch the Nike Hoops Summit game in Portland last month?

    I meant to check sooner, but I wanted say I saw our future Point Guard, an Aussie name Dante Exum.  He currently holds offers from Boise St., GTown, Indiana, LSU, SMU, Tulsa and Vandy.  He's basically Jarred Cunningham with a PG game.  Similar size and athleticism, but with incredible ball control skills.

    I'm wishfully thinking Coach Rob and Angus need to go after this guy and lure him with the promise of starting as a true freshman in place of Starks.  Sounds like he'd be eligible to come over for winter term this year, but I think he's projected to go pro within the next couple of years.  A guy can wish, can't he?

     

     

     

  • angry angry says:
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    OSU just sent me bulkmail entitled "Building Relationships"

    How can I build a relationship with you, OSU, when you constantly keep me in the dark?!  Stop breaking my heart.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      turn around bright eyes….turn around….

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    On the topic of cameras, some very nice camera work on the putout at the plate Sunday.  Defensive play of the game IMHO, Cliff tweeted that he thought the runner was safe, hope he's reviewed this series of pics!

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=517862531583928&l=3a0f572a71

    • helmsley says:
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      I try not to complain about something that's free and I'm happy to have non-cable coverage of any sort. I was in Corvallis for both the USC and Cal series. Truman Capote wrote, "if I could die with today in my eyes". Hot baseball weather, gorgeous campus, nice people, Avery Park in blooms and greens, and, damn, the Beavers are good.

      Esquer talked to the home plate umpire about THE play but didn't vehemently protest. It was a great one – unbelievable precision.

      BTW, hard to get close enough for a good look inside the bsktball practice facility because it's still a construction site but I was happy to note that the mechanicals are in place..

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    I just started reading a biography of Ted Williams and to my surprise the topic of centerfield cameras came up.  Red Sox broadcaster, Curt Gowdy says, "We used three cameras to cover the entire game.  One from first base, one from third, one behind the plate.  I went to (owner) Tom Yawkey at the end of the season and said, 'I think we could use a fourth camera from centerfield to show the balls and strikes.  I think it would be a great addition.'  Yawkey surprised me.  He didn't want it. He said the television coverage would become too good.  People would stay home from the ballpark."  Angry, maybe BDC just comes from the Yawkey school of thought.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    OT–local TV over the internet?  I wonder how long the regulators will let this go on.  http://mercatus.org/expert_commentary/how-government-regulations-distort-television-airwaves

     

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Interesting article on Poyer, how his "measurables" didn't measure up at the combine, but that he's "a football player" and "a steal:"

    http://blogs.mcall.com/eagles/2013/05/the-eagles-may-have-an-absolute-steal-in-oregon-state-cb-jordan-poyer.html

    Fun to see the highlights too.

     

    Mikel Riley on bowl games: "So for the greater good of college football, for those of us in the masses who are just scratching and clawing to get to a bowl game, I think that's an important part of our landscape."

    An odd statement to me.

     

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/05/mike_riley_talks_college_footb.html

     

     

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      What about the Riley quote is odd to you?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I might be overreacting, but it seems to project a lack confidence or a top 25 mindset. 

        And empircally, in the last 10 years, OSU has gone to a bowl game more often than not (bowl quality varying obviously), so it doesn't seem productive to present your program as someone who's nearly on the outside looking in; "one of the masses" that's "scratching and clawing."  Why not, "We've enjoyed frequent bowl success, and look forward to continuing that success. Our players are shooting for the playoffs."

        With recruiting on the upswing, it seems important to consistently and continually project a positive winning image that separates the OSU program from the masses; not lumps itself in with them.

         

        • Bill says:
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          It's not odd, it's par for the course. 

          I think what he is saying, if there isn't any bowl games, what's the point for the programs who have no realistic shot at the playoffs? Lose two and your season's over. If there's no incentive like a bowl game, what motivation do players have to keep going? What motivation do recruits have to go to schools who don't have the resources to compete? Even further, what motivation would recruits have to even play football if there's only a handful of schools who have realistic title shots? 

          The cynical person may say that the playoff system could eventually doom college football. 

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        I found the quote realistic.  I would like to hear Riley talk in terms of division championships, etc, but given the competition from Oregon and Stanford in the North, what's the point right now unless one is into false bravado.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    "Teams I might regret not including:….Oregon State….."

     

    OSU doesn't make S-I's post-spring top 25….hope they move up in the mid-summer poll then make the top 15 in the post fall-camp poll….

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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    Cody Vaz walked into class with his arm in a sling… Haven't heard how/why.  Just thought I'd mention it here.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      He had a nightmare about Okafor and the Alamo Bowl and dislocated his shoulder.

    • mckalk says:
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      I've heard that spontaneous fumbles put a lot of stress on shoulder ligaments.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Maybe his shoulder socket fumbled his shoulder.

    • bone says:
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      Which arm?

    • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Vaz just got sacked again

  • mb says:
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    With Starks leaving…Jesse Holmes first team Division ll all state of CA in BB and FB.  Can handle, can pass, can shoot, can defend.  Athletic, competitive,big heart, good grades. Could also compete for playing time at WR this year. Going, going….

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Altman and Oregon pick up another rent-a-starter in Mike Moser.  They're also in line to pick up another in Tarik Black from Memphis soon.  Altman does a good job of finding these guys and getting them to come.  Hope Robinson can find some similar success finding a replacement for Starks.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/mike-moser-could-similar-impact-oregon-arsalan-kazemi-001835812.html

     

    • mckalk says:
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      F-ing Altman, at what point does he have to develop players from beginning to end?  I guess never as long as Nikegon is Nikegon.  Moser passed up Gonzaga, but the Ducks may end up being just as good next year.  Yes, I'm a bitter Duck hater.

      And to comment on your last line, why is God's name would any solid D-1 hoops player with a year of eligibility left spend it at OSU?

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Child cant throw strikes and Casey goes to Tony Bryant. Bases loaded nobody out top 2

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    1-0 b2 pilots

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Conforto rbi single, ties it. Beavs do little with runners on base. 1-1 after 2.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Tyler smith singles goes to second after LF bobbles ball. Andy Peterson his second bunt single. Danny Hayes a sac fly. Jake Rod follows with a 2 run single on a hit n run. 4-1 beavs.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers hold on for the 4-3 win

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Anyone else in Keizer last night care to comment on the attitude of the team?  I got a real "all for one, one for all" vibe watching the demeanor of the entire team; everyone seemed involved and enthusiastic.

    Both Keyes and Peterson turned in memorable defensive plays.  My respect for JRod's ability to manage pitchers increased as I watched how he handled Brocker, Jackson, Painton and the rest.  Good to see several pitchers get into the game, Cole still makes me nervous though!

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Eggers with a worthwhile read on Tyler Smith, written after the game last night.

      http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/152098-smith-provides-leadership-intangibles-for-beavers

    • Timber! says:
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      I stopped in on the way back from Portland to Eugene for the last 3 innings but couldn't notice an attitudinal vibe one way or another.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      This team is focused on one goal, getting to Omaha. I really feel like if the team can get to Omaha Casey will get them the ring. However, this team is probably not as good as its record, but the potential is right there. They make some really good plays, but then they will struggle with the basics. They are so talented that at times they rely on the talent over the fundamentals. Especially on offense. I think they try too hard for the crushing hits at times when a simple contact will drive in the run. The defense can be spectacular and save runs, but then they will have lapses where they kick it around.

      The one part that worries me, is the bullpen. Early in the season they were untouchable, lately they seem to not as focused. I dont like Broker coming in as the first righty, his velocity is not high enough to get batters to swing at his best pitch which is the off speed. Hopefully Fry can be a huge boost to the pen, albeit another Lefty.

      The good news is the staff does a great job of scouting, and knowing the weaknesses of the other team. I saw numerous the staff align the defenders to the right spot and balls were hit right to them.

      Conforto hit one out and over the video board in BP, I was told. However, he struggled to get the ball out the infield during the game. He did have a nice rbi single up the middle, but he took some ugly hacks that he should’ve crushed.

      Those are my random thoughts.

  • Jack says:
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    Scotty found his assistant. Still no news on the men's side.

    Jared Nickens didn't visit last weekend. He'll be here tomorrow.

    Possible replacement for Starks is visiting next week. Unsigned 2013 PG prospect Allen Baez will be in Corvallis. I've read good things about the kid and his skill set. But this brings up the question of JUCO v. HS prospects to fill a role. In this instance I favor the developmental process with a four year kid. It's also a little late in the process to go out, evaluate, recruit and land a plug-n-play type prospect. Baez is a sleeper who I really like. I've never read a bad item on the kid. And I think he's the type player angry has been screaming about wanting for years. I love both hands and his agility in traffic. And his defense would put him on the floor next year immediately with only two returning guards and Hallice coming in. Could you imagine a defensive back court of Baez, Cooke and LMW with the young bigs we have in the following years? Daaniel and Cheikh would get bored just standing around waiting for someoene to try to challenge them.

    And what's with OSU getting Puerto Ricans through the years? Not saying Baez is coming, but Piculin and Devon are/were just damn good players. How do they get away from the East Coast?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj430ajTabA

  • helmsley says:
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    Did someone leave the women's program or is this an additional coach?

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Per a recent tweet by Lindsay, "Megan Dickerson left at end of winter term (she's still on website, but hasn't been in office for a few weeks)."

      • helmsley says:
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        thx oob – Nothing said about Ms. Dickerson's departure except on Lindsay Schnell's twitter?  resignation, fired? – there's just a new assistant coach for wbb. I'm starting to buy into notoriously clandestine.

        • Jack says:
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          It was widely reported as it happened, but I can't find the original articles now.

          Plus one for private enterprise digital archiving.

          Hey… we're not getting any hits on our digital online thingy. And our paper isn't making any money. How are we going to afford to pay the AP for the next month of our copy and paste content?

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Disclaimer: No Beav content

    Anyone see Cliff Harris was arrested, multiple times, recently? Once a clown, always a clown.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/lacesout/which-is-more-impressive-titus-young-arrested-twice-in-15-hours-or-cliff-harris-arrested-three-times-in-nine-days/

    • ObjCritic says:
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      It always annoyed me he was considered one of the top CBs in the Pac and people (e.g. Canzano) wrote as if it was commonly understood and accepted that he was the best CB from either UO or OSU. Harris was dramatic (for lack of a better term) and fast, Poyer was a playmaker that could be relied on. He had the incident at the nightclub, but otherwise his teammates could count on him to be there on Saturdays and that made him the better CB to have on your team. And hey, Poyer slipped to the 7th round, but we haven't seen Kelly pick up Harris. Yet. 

       

       

  • Jack says:
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    Wait! WTF?

    You're telling me that refs always knew the charges they were calling weren't correct, and now you're going to start calling them correctly? When I was growing up, they called this block correctly. As a result there were fewer of these plays. There were always people in position to take a charge, but it happened only if the offensive player were truly out of control and couldn't avoid hitting a stationary defender.  And standing under the hoop to take one on a lay-up was always considered a cheap shot. It's one of the more maddening calls/non-calls that has been going on for the last decade.

    Now if we can just get the refs to start calling illegal picks where the pick man just runs up to the defenders backside and mugs him. You're supposed to give the defender a step too… and not move until he clears the pick… unless it seems not so sporting to actually call that foul as the rule is written either.

  • beavskis says:
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    Chipper should be fined a couple of hundred thousand dollars for the costs that the state criminal system is stuck paying to prosecute Cliff Harris. The Ducks are the ones that recruited Cliff to the Portland area and now we're stuck dealing with a criminal thug transplant from Fresno. He should be sent home.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    His speed training from the Ducks should come in handy as he try's to avoid becoming his cellmates prison bitch.

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