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  1. Fwiw I was shocked/disappointed re how little talent there appears to be on the team. It’s hard to display your coaching ability when your players are not Pac-12 caliber. I don’t know what league Western Oregon is in but it looked to me like a lot of the OSU players would be lucky to make the team.

    Also the free throw shooting didn’t appear to have improved much if any.

    Possibly a way of preparing yourself for what to expect is OSU 47 – WOU 57 where as a couple of nights later UO 104 – WOU 55.

    It’s looking like this is going to be really ugly. I’m thinking I might have the bio’s of the 4 kids who’ve just signed handy so that as I’m going through the agony of watching Beav basketball I can whip out their bios and think about the future.

  2. I don’t have much to say about tomorrow except I don’t think they will beat Rice. Hope I’m wrong though. The coaching is much better. Even though they lost, I enjoyed watching Tinkle coach as he was very lively during the game and yelled out to the players to put their hands up on defense. The offense will come if they can get some defensive turnovers as good defense generates good offense. Tinks is a competitor and once next year’s group comes in, you’ll see an even better program.

  3. I might add that Tinkle is very solid on fundamentals and this year’s group doesn’t have those qualities. I do think that if N’Daiye doesn’t get hurt and Duvivier and LMW hadn’t had off-nights, the game’s outcome would have been different.

  4. Sorry, I forgot about that. I got laid up by the annual stomach and sinus whammo. I should be good for another year.

    I’ll get something together by the morning.

    • Sorry to hear you were laid up. I was concerned after seeing only 160 posts by you within the past 24 hours. Figured something was up.

      We kept #BuildingTheDamnDam in your absence though, you egotistical self righteous son of a B! Just wait till next time I see you, it will be just like back in the day when you didn’t know when to shut your damn mouth (not much has changed) and would usually pay the ultimate price with a physical beat down for the ages. I still remember those girly squeals you used to eeek out while taking elbows to the face and chest.

      So, sorry to say it You deserve everything coming to you

        • It’s likely since he went to school in this town.

          It’s also too funny that a Duck trolls an OSU blog and puts on the self-righteous cloak of invisibility. But it is sad that he harbors so much hatred that a post like this creeps off his fingers. I feel sorry for anyone who feels the need to put out veiled threats of violence toward others. He can at least be honest and just say what he means.

          But… he is Duck. I ask too much sometimes. But that’s borne of hope for a better future.

          • Actually… it’s not funny.

            It’s pathetic and hypocritical and ironic and violent and ugly. I now want to meet this TP Duck and introduce him to a therapist. That’s a rather sick post.

    • Holy crap that Anthony Skinner dude is a bundle of whiny, shifting excuses.

      Who the hell pays Jaynes for this crap? Who has ever paid him? I don’t think I’ve ever read anything by that dude that even makes sense, let alone has been written well.

      • Jaynes could have just paid Eggers $50 bucks and cut and pasted his article. Unfortunately, with the internet, aging hack “journalists” can still find a forum.

  5. I’m tempering my enthusiasm a bit for the new era of coaching. I’m pleased with the assistant coaches in particular especially given CR’s ineffective staff. Tinkle’s NCAA tournament appearances were a result of winning the Big Sky conference. BSC teams plays a very high, if not #1 seed – thus in 2013, Montana lost to Syracuse 81-34, and in 2012 to Wisconsin 73-49. The losses were expected but the margins seem a bit much.The only time Montana made it past the first round was with a Larry Krystkowiak team that played Nevada.

    I’m not trying to interpret those past results as they pertain to OSU mbb in a different conference with more talent but I think I’ll quietly observe and not whoop and holler just yet.

  6. I think that’s why Tinkle brought in seasoned coaches, especially two former HCs (Rupp and Thompson) and a highly regarded recruiter with prior Pac-12 experience (Gottlieb). I have to admit I wasn’t excited by Tinkle’s hire at first, but when he brought in those guys as his assistants, especially Gottlieb, I was excited. The Griz fans I’ve spoken with have nothing but good things to say about Tinkle. Besides, outside of Rupp, his assistants at OSU, on paper, have better resumes than his UM assistants.

  7. Well, I guess its officially time to shit can ALL expectations and hopes for this season. Nobody is even writing about the Beavs anymore, and I’ve looked but Mannion is not on any award lists. We all know Riley isn’t winning coach of the year in any capacity either.

    Just really disappointing, with all the hopes going into September now seeing only a few more games left, and none are looking easy. The season will be over before we know it, and then we get to watch bball try not to have a completely winless season for a few months.

    We all know women’s hoops and gymnastics having success is cool and all, but I’m not going to suddenly become a fan of those sports just because my team sucks in 2 out of the 3 sports I care about. Hell, I can’t even pretend to give a shit about collegiate gymnastics. The girls are really graceful and limber, but they’re also creepy as hell.

    My only hope is that Riley and his band of gypsy assistants somehow figure out a way to not be a complete embarrassment next season, and that Tinkles class for next season

    A. Stays together

    B. Are as good as advertised.

    C. Our coaches know what to do to make them better, and

    D. Can recruit outside the immediate families of the coaching staff, or

    E. Have more kids. Also, only hire coaches that plan to have 1 or more 4* recruits as kids.

    And hey, maybe Riley can right this rust bucket jalopy team enough to at least T bone ASU or the Yucks, just as they think they’re going to cross the intersection towards the god damn playoff on ramp.

    But more likely, we will blow a head gasket or throw a rod on the way. We may still limp it to the intersection, but at our speed would only be able to register a glancing blow at best.

      • I’m actually surprised by volleyball and men’s soccer (and women’s soccer for the opposite reason). Those teams were so very bad and were trending down to the bottom of the pile until they got there last year.

        Good for them.

  8. Hey, Riley is just leading the Ducks to their demise … gonna play possum the next two games, and then lower the boom on UO….. yeeehaaw! They wont know what hit em….

    Seriously, in the old days of Riley, one could expect him to pull off upsets late in the season. But not now. I feel sorry for the players.

    I think MBB will be fun to follow. I project losing big sometimes, and a lot, early, and getting better later as now we actually have some coaching going on.

    • That’s kind of my fear/concern….is Beavs football just a season away from complete free fall…a la programs like Kansas or SMU…where there is no way in hell they can even compete? That’s why if I was AD I would want a new coach to find out if it’s the talent or coaching sooner than later.

  9. Men’s team got 6-25 on deck, women’s team 28-8 I think. Actually, I think the women could very possibly win the Pac-12 regular season at 17-1, and they get Stanford and Cal both at home (predicting Stanford to be the only loss). Whatever happens, I’m watching for sure.

  10. I’ll be surprised if the men’s team wins 2 conference games and surpasses 5 or 6 total. The lack of talent there is just brutal. I think Duvivier, Morris-Walker and GP2 can be solid. Robbins could be, but attitude is his biggest issue. Other than that? Not much to work with. But hey, I’ll gladly eat napkins. I mean crow. This year is going to trying. If they can show improvement, I’m on board. WT has already paid dividends with the best recruiting class in school history.

  11. The talent is horrid. The video of Tinks coaching at the beginning of the season showed players that looked like a so so AAU or solid high school team.. Eff CR.

  12. Canzano teased this story yesterday, about a woman gang raped by OSU football player in 1998 under Riley’s watch. Pretty terrible how this all just got swept under the rug and everybody went on to live their lives like nothing happened, except her of course. The social media days definitely made it easier for players to get away with crap like this.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2014/11/canzano_her_name_is_brenda_tra.html#incart_river

    • I had a class with Carlyle. I only know because the teacher actually did role call at the beginning of every class (it was a 3 credit, 3 hour class once a week.)

      He didn’t attend a single one lol

      • I loved those classes. I also loved the summer session for the one summer I went. Two or three weeks of concentrated study, and you were done. I often wonder if I would have been happier at Colorado College just because of their format. I also had a 300 level class in history, European History since the French Revolution… or something like that. The prof had a set-up where he lectured for five weeks and had two assigned papers and two tests (mid-term and final)… plus some homework. But he allowed for the mid-term to be taken any time after the third week and the final to be taken any time after the fifth. And papers were due along the same timeline. Attendance wasn’t mandatory, but you had to know what the hell you were talking about when you wrote your papers and tested, or he would call you out. I was done with that class in week 6 and loving what I learned.

        Since tonight is Rice, I’ll relay one weird story. I took a class there that was dubbed “Bombs and Rockets”–Poli Sci 211. It was taught by some really highly regarded prof, and we had guest lectures by people like James Baker. I was cruising through this class until the final. And remember this was back before Tiananmen Square. The final was solely a blue book essay about what we as students thought about China. I wrote that population stresses and unrest in the younger populations would lead to an immediate show of protest. That unrest would be oppressed, but the stresses of population growth would not diminish. China would need to find new sources for energy and resources in order to keep an already poor status quo a reality. While they may be able to farm out their one primary resource, people, they would need to expand their trade policies to include the banana republics, just as any of the traditional imperial powers did in the past. And they will have to find every crook and cranny in energy to survive the weight of that population.

        I went on and on about it well beyond the 2000 word requirement. I nailed every single point I made. And I backed them up with good data… all in a sit-down blue book essay.

        I got a C- on that final from that highly regarded poli sci guy who was an in-guy with idiot boy when he was a gubmer and the prez. I hold a grudge over that grade. It actually was a part of why I left that place. I still have that blue book. It reads like a history of China over the last 26 years.

        I can’t believe I’m still pissed about a grade from 26 years ago.

    • The gutless coach, our Mike Riley, also made it easy to get away with such shit. They made a bad choice….lol. But then he said he wants to be the Paterno of the west….

      • It’s ugly either way. But appreciate that he’s willing to talk about his side. That’s a pretty damning story, and he’s man enough to pony up his truth without excuses. I do admire the man despite what I see in his job performance. I don’t think this diminishes his legacy. But I think anyone and everyone should think twice when “they made a mistake” or “they made some bad choices” are the words uttered from a coach’s mouth.

        That’s just a nasty story. If that was a relative of mine, I would be hard-pressed to not find retribution. I was almost sick reading the account as a bystander.

  13. Another reason for me to hate the Ducks.

    Drayton Carlberg, projectable 3-star defensive lineman, commits to Oregon Ducks
    The Oregonian – OregonLive.com? – 2 hours ago
    Three-star Oregon commit Drayton Carlberg chats on the sideline before the Duck’s game …

    • Imo it might be 16-17 before things get straightened out. Imo it will take another good recruiting class before there are enough players to make the team competitive in the Pac-12. Can’t do it with just 4 guys.

  14. It’s a sad state of affair with OSU football when I cant even give away m 2 Club level seats to tomorrow’s game. I’ve had them on craigslist saying I’ll take any offer and I’ve had them on both my wife and my Facebook pages. No takers. Even for free! These tickets are $140 + fees EACH at the box office, and the #6 team in the nation is coming to town. Ridiculous….

  15. What is this thing where the beavers try to keep the opposing players from scoring? I don’t think I’ve seen it before… I’m confused!

  16. So none of these guys were rated as highly as Cunningham or Roberto Nelson, none have the raw talent of Eric Moreland, and the coach isn’t a political celebrity, but the result is much much better. This looked like real basketball for the first time in six years.

  17. Another thought — if this were last year, by now, about a minute left, CR would have substituted until he found a losing combination, and we would be behind and then lose.

      • Nein…. there were games last year where we were well up at the break, and then after we would fade away. The other team would adjust but CR never had an answer.

        • True… and a nod to the use of German… I guess?

          Dr. Strangelove always comes to mind… or The Producers. Good comedy from both.

          Robinson was superior at planning a pre-game. But he was so inferior at half-time adjustments. It was so plainly night and day with the dude.

          It really lent to the idea he wasn’t a bench coach.

          In reality, he just couldn’t adjust his original game plan.

          But at least that only happens for a couple years in the sport which is secondary in gathering revenue. Imagine if that happened for the same amount of years during the same period in our primary revenue-gathering sport.

          Woo-hoo! Whoa boy!

          That dude would never last… because he’s black.

          Oh golly gee neat deal… how might that be surprising?

          • rsteve… that’s not directed at you.

            That’s directed at exactly the people who think I’m directing it toward them. Those pricks know who they are.

    • Hello?

      If this were last year, Tinkle wouldn’t be our coach and GP2 wouldn’t be on our team… and most of our players now would still be sitting on the bench.

      I refer you to the ifs and buts, candy and nuts, crimson and clover part of this thread.

      If you care… I substituted for the “ifs and buts” part because it rhymes. But only those who care will care.

  18. That was enjoyable to watch. That’s really all I, as a fan, ask for…just good solid play that doesn’t give me an aneurysm. If the play is solid a win is just icing on the cake and a loss more palatable. If Beav football played hard and well and lost games, that would be fine. It’s the way they lose and the obvious lack of preparation etc that makes it infuriating.

    • And notice how they didn’t give up the lead in the last three minutes? They went to the basket when appropriate, made most of their free throws and caused turnovers instead of committing them.. Only dumb play was Jarmal fouling the 3 point shot, but I bet he doesn’t do it again. Plus Jarmal played a hell of an offensive game.

  19. No bizarre rotations or pulling out a guy after they just hit a shot. Everyone competed on defense. GP-2 in a huge upgrade over Roberto on the defensive side, but they will need to get offense on a consistent basis if they are going to compete.

      • That lay-up thing is gonna be a thing for me if it continues.

        Even easier than free throws, we have this thing called practice. Lay-ups and the so many different angles and spins (we used to call them English) were once upon a time an art.

        But now I’m hearing that shooting 30% from boondock is better than having a mid-range game worth a damn… and that makes lay-ups stupid… if they’re not dunks… or something like that.

    • So nice to see Tinkle and team active and engaged for all 40 minutes. No more arms crossed and head down like with Robinson. Riley has much to learn. The right new football coach could bolster that sport too. GP2 has good instincts on defense and liked his leadership. Last year’s defense full of baby birdin’ is gone. Contesting with true effort makes a real difference.

  20. that was enjoyable for what of it I did get to watch. Played as a team and wasn’t 4 guys standing around while one guy goes one on one.

    • That was nice. I did not expect him to be the “opposite” part of my expectation. He has always had this game. But seeing it is different. I only hope that he doesn’t only have it for one game.

      Jarmal… very nice… except for that one play… you know what I mean.

      • The previous two seasons Jarmal would miss an easy shot and get pulled out by CR. He was playing nervous. He has a big body, he should be able to get his shot off inside, but note to Craig Robinson, he’s not going to make every single shot.

        • OTOH, if, on occasion, a couple of good plays came together, instead of allowing the game to flow, CR would call time out. Wonder how many games b4 comparisons end. I would like to forget the Craig Robinson era which lasted at least 3 years too long.

  21. Jack’s analysis of each player was pretty much on spot with what I saw tonight. Very proud of the effort and commitment I saw from the team. The staff is fun to watch too. Keep it up guys and you may pull off more surprises this year!

  22. “We’re going to keep coming out with energy,” Duvivier said. “That’s our identity. That’s what we’re going to keep having to do to win games.”

    What? An identity? How can that be? They’ve only played one game and an exhibition. Shouldn’t they be trying to find their identity?

  23. Watching Disney sports ridiculousness. Disney says OSU’s record is awful, but they’ve blown 3 forth quarter leads in their losses and may be over due. Ha.

    “Be careful, it’s tough to go to Corvallis…but ASU is too athletic. Unless they just show up flat.” Allegedly, teams, after covering against ND, the following week only covered 2 of 20 times. Trying to generate some viewer incentive I guess.

    I’m not sure the Beavs like the cold anymore than ASU….Go. Beavers.

    BTW, this gameday show is ridiculous, as are the fans in the background…

  24. Let’s keep in mind how awful they looked in the exhibition before getting too pumped. I’m just enjoying that I watched an OSU team look and play proper all the way through a game. I haven’t seen that happen since baseball season, so it was refreshing. They’ll probably lose a lot of games, though, as we all know Rice is not very good. But if they play hard and cohesive like this and lose the season will be a success, and then next year they can build on that once some talent arrives.

  25. Went to the game. Looked much more coherent on both ends of the floor.

    However it was obvious this team will not win many in conference play. Duvivier struggled at times bringing the ball up the court and he picked up his dribble several times far from the basket. Payton looks like he’ll be the primary ball handler in conference play. Teams will press the beavs without a consistent ball handler. With Gomis out, the beavs will struggle against teams with legit big men. Olaf is just too weak inside.

    The rotation was very limited. From what I could see only 7 guys were in the rotation.

    Funny moment in game, Robbins was standing near the OSU bench and Tinkle wanted him to move so he gave him a good two hand shove in the back.

  26. Calling tonight’s game as I see it. ASU 47, Beavs 17. More excuses by Riley in post game while smacking on Wrigley’s juicy fruit. Half the fans will leave before the end of the 3rd quarter with half of those by halftime. The few fans still there in the 4th will have empty stares that will be broadcast to the nation on ESPN. Another embarassment with a national audience witnessing that Beavers football stinks. Welcome to the bottom of the barrel. Riley wets his panties for the upteenth time. This beatdown getting Canzano to admit Riley is a lost cause is the only positive that may come.

    • I think it’s alfalfa flavored Chicklets but you may be right. Question: Do the pollys still give Barney an ovation for the post game with that homer Preece? No wonder he feels safe in his job, the idiots applaud even after a beat down. Gotta be the only school in the country that does this weird shit.

      We lose by 24+ and that’s only if Graham pulls his starters. Could you imagine what kind of woodshed reaction/coaching that Graham would give to #10 after another false start? Riley just looks down and shivers since he’s only weighs 143lbs. Eff Riley!

  27. The win honestly just gives me hope; I am very aware of the talent on the team and just the fact that out of 18 conference games, the other side will simply be more talented point blank 14 guaranteed times. But scrape together a few wins in conference. Get a couple more of these easier games at home. Play well on a consistent basis, and no one is complaining when at the end of the year your team is 8-23.

    I mean, they looked like they were having fun, the offense actually made sense, the defense was pesky but still has to be shored up (a lot of times Rice would swing to an open corner three, but they were attacking correctly as all. Doesn’t take a genius to notice how Tinkle would have his wing help off when a closeout on the ballside was necessary).

  28. The one play last night that caught my attention happened in the 2nd half (this is how I interpreted it which might be totally wrong):

    Reid was near the OSU bench, passed the ball out to a guard and just stood there like he would have if CR was still the coach. WT yelled at him and motioned towards the basket. Reid took off towards the basket and the person he’d fed the ball to passed it back to Reid and he scored. That seemed to light a fire in him and the team.

    • You could hear Tinkle shouting MOVE, it was audible on my computers crappy speakers!. I thought it was interesting also that Tinkle shortened the game for a few possessions by running down the shot clock before crunch time, it worked against Rice, not sure if it will work in the P-12

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