21.Nov.2014 Oral Roberts Write Up

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JackBeav did nice work here.

Oral Roberts is good as a team. But they’re small. They play with four guards most of the time and try to force the pace. Because of their size, they will play a match-up zone for most of the game. If you see them in man, expect it to drop into zone. They’re led by Billbury and Emegano. Billbury isn’t a threat from the floor. Emegano is. They have one kid who takes nothing but treys, Webber, but he doesn’t make a lot. And they have another who is a pretty decent scorer, Word. They aren’t awesome in face-up D, but they help well. And they will gather at the rim and use their athleticism to block shots on dribble drives. They will do a nice job preventing post entry most of the time. But once it’s in the post they are pretty weak. Because of that they have a tendency to collapse with the ball. They’re set up to defend dribble entry and motion offenses. They are not set up well to defend high post swings or high-low games.

Contain Emegano and keep both him and Billbury off the glass and off the line, and make some perimeter shots. That’s about all you have to do to shut them down. Easier said than done depending on how the refs call the game. And by “contain” I mean don’t be scared if he gets his points. But there will be times he needs to be shut out in order for us to control the pace.

Billbury and Emegano get a ton of ticky-tack calls. But the team does not box out well on the defensive end… probably because they play a zone where they’re chasing the ball the whole time. They have one plodding big in Owens. He’s a big boy with decent hands and terrible feet. But he can eat up space. the other “bigs” will be Henderson, Conley and Wilson. All of them are a physical 6’5-6″ at about 230 pounds by the looks of them. They like to push above the waist a lot when clearing the blocks. While Conley has the best hands and feet of any of them and the better ability to score, all three have five fouls to give. And they will give them if we challenge them in the post or dribble entry.

I’m not a fan of Coach Sutton’s playing on the refs’ instead of playing the game. He’ll play hack-the-bigs and cry for his guards to get to the line. It’s a gameplan I guess.

It will be important for us to play inside out tonight. We don’t have to score inside, but we need to establish a presence, make their defense collapse and kick it out. It will also be important to gather their post fouls early while our bigs don’t have to shoot free throws after every cross check. Their defense will sag until we can show we can hit the trey. And when we do, their guards will go all matador, another reason all their bigs are hack machines.

While I don’t like their style, they do play well with each other and work the system well. What I described above would be easy pickings for a good team. Beating them is a matter of playing well. But I see a tendency for us to get hurried and impatient early in the second half, both in transition and in the half court. The adjustments are there. But it’s almost as if our guys see how the game opens up for them, and they get too excited. It’s almost always at about the 13 minute mark before we settle down and start working again.

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  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Dang, that’s probably the most complete Oral Roberts writeup anywhere, for any game this season. Thanks for the dedication to your team and fellow angrybeavs, Jack.

    I’m going to have to miss the game tonight as I’m going to be sitting in the rain watching Eastern Washington visit PSU in football tonight. Little known fact…..EWU QB, Vernon Adams was originally committed to PSU but flipped to EWU on signing day. PSU football could have become relevant again if he had come here, and PSU would have probably beaten OSU this year instead of EWU beating the Beavs last year.

    • helmsley says:
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      and, to repeat the oft-told tale, his high school coach called some/all/a few Pac 12 coaches who dismissed him as being too small.

    • Jack says:
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      Your rain sucks.

      But I live it. I respect Oregonian… or the spirit.

      It ain’t a thing. It’s something new.

  • HoopsBeav says:
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    This game will tell me alot about Tinkle wanting to raise the bar and not be ok with NIT appearances after next year’s class arrives. Winning tonight will show he is serious about loftier goals and on pace to get those started. Winnable game and good coaching at a few big moments tonight should bring a win. I am lovibg Tinkle so far but tonight he can seal my vote of confidence in him as a talented coach. I think he gets the players performing well and delivers the victory tonight. Ready for tipoff!

  • thatguy says:
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    I’ll be there. I think this is going to be an important game. Looking for a win against a low major opponent, but the talent is probably equal honestly. Which means….that coaching will prevail. I’m interested to see how it turns out. Will it make or break anything? No; but a win certainly says “I’m winning every game I possibly can”

  • Jack says:
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    Yeah… I gotta go. But the inside-out game doesn’t have to score. Think of it like the run game in football. We need to pound it in order to soften the D. If we don’t, they can be lazy in the lane with zero D.

    Inside out also makes them play D even if there are no moves to basket. OR is much better at denying the post entry than they are at defending the post. There are going to be a lot of fouls in the lane if we choose to take this game to the lane. It’s going to be a matter of when we go to the post versus when we dribble entry for how that will affect the foul count on their bigs. They will hack constantly, but certain players amongst them have more experience and last longer… and will get in players’ heads

    This is not a loss leader. But it’s also not a given win if we don’t actually play the game. It’s rightly called a -2 for OR IMO. But we can blow them out if we play our new found physical D in the first half then follow that up with just solid play for the first seven minutes of the second half… and keep Emegano from keeping pace with us

    I’ll know more once I see which refs take the floor. If Brill and his fucking stupid haircut walks on the floor, it’s an immediate loss. Spitznagel makes it a 70/30 proposition. And that’s kinda sad since his father was a pretty good coach. There’s one other ref who I have only seen call a bad game once, and it was at Gill. It was so bad that I can only imagine he can’t be good in any other games.

    • mckalk says:
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      Jack, what’s Missouri supposed to be like this year? NCAA tourney caliber? OR played them tough on Wednesday. This will be a good test for the Beavs.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    12-10 now. Beavs haven’t scored since I started watching and a few TO’s. Maybe it’s me?

    • mckalk says:
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      Yeah, they got off to a great start up 12-3, 10 OR turnovers, but now they are struggling.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Jarmal Reid has not looked good tonight

  • scotty says:
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    Still more interesting than another year of CR

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      agreed

      • Jack says:
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        Yes… because CR hada connection to a black prez… even though the prez is half white.
        I know. You’re not racist.

        But you think this black prez is the first and most egregious socialist, if not Communist, ever.

        You go guy!

        • Jack says:
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          I was gonna apologize for not being pointed, but if you’re offended by my post then you’re a joke.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          It’s Bush’s fault and you’re a racist.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          yep. you got me. I had it in for CR because he was black. And had ties to the black running our country. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fact he was a shitty coach. Seriously, I hope that was sarcasm on your part

          • Jack says:
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            That’s not really pointed at you as much as it just knocking the stupid comments that persist.

            But can we just let CR go now? Why beat a dead horse? I like this team more than I like to go off on someone who doesn’t even work at OSU anymore… or hear about him for whatever reason there is.

            Pulling the race card is just me being equally silly. That’s how ridiculous CR bashing is.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            so me agreeing with someone saying after 3 games the difference is night and day between CR and Tinkle coaching? Making that comparison is beating a dead horse? mmmmmkay

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Anal Roberts makes 3 FG’s and leads 20-18 at the half? WTF? Jack was right on about the officiating and FT disparity so far. Also saw numerous travels on ORU players driving the lane with no calls there either. But, as putrid as the beavs were on offense you aren’t going to get to the charity stripe shooting jumpers. Also getting out rebounded 20-13 which should not be happening

  • mckalk says:
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    OR ahead 20-18 at the half. Ugly game, but I still like the Beavs effort. They contest every shot and go hard to the glass. They’ve also missed some open looks.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    it’s also a bad sign when Olaf is your leading scorer. Yikes

  • HoopsBeav says:
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    After first 5 minutes Beavs peeformance was lackluster. We better see much crisper play in the 2nd half. I’ll go with 49-44 final score for the OSU win. Rally the troops Tinkle.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    18-5 FT disparity at half. Hopefully WT gives the buttholes in stripes an earful

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    and beavs hold Emegano to 5 pts in the first half. The D has been good

  • scotty says:
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    I want to #Commit2Wayne and I don’t even like playing basketball

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    beavs 10-0 run to start the 2nd half! Lead 28-20

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    So tired of that Dr. Pepper concessions guy

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    Beavs miss two wide open 3’s, ORU converts at the other end 30-25.

  • scotty says:
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    Nice defense + hustle after giving up the fast-break steal

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    GP2 steal –> dunk 😀

  • RanYakumo says:
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    That monster GP2 dunk…

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Beavs take their biggest lead and GP2 goes out with his 4th foul. The offense fails to get the ball across mid court 4 straight times and Tinkle is forced to put GP2 back in. Beavs then get the ball across mid court.

    • cj cj says:
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      GP2 is a pretty good player. I was at the game and he surprises me with some of his moves. Seems to come out of nowhere sometimes to get to the ball.

      If he only had a shooting touch….

      • cj cj says:
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        Did you catch GP2 when players were talking about there names? He said something along the line of “My dad had a George Foreman moment”, which I too to refer to his younger brother GP Jr. and the fact that Foreman named all his sons George.

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    Olaf with a big 3. Lead back to 11 with 4:08 to go

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    It seems like Walker is still the one hangover from the CR regime. Misses wide open threes, somehow lost the ball going up for a jam, misses the free throws badly. He’s going to have to hit those open shots against higher competition.

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    Reid misses 2 FT and ORU hits a 3. I don’t think LMW is having that bad a game.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Oops. Spoke too soon. LMW out of control, looks like Roberto going to the hoop. GP2 fouls out with 2:22 and Beavs up 8

    • mckalk says:
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      I think Walker is improving just seems to be struggling the most with the adjustment.

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    Walker needless offensive foul. Payton fouls out. ORU on the line down 8.

  • RanYakumo says:
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    Loving the defense so far.

  • mckalk says:
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    Beavs are playing with fire, 5 missed free throws at crunch time.

  • RanYakumo says:
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    I really wish they would just jump it up in college basketball instead of this silly “possession arrow” nonsense.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Olaf looks massively improved this season in all facets. Pleasant surprise. The defense is great. Did not expect that this season

    • mckalk says:
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      He is playing with confidence. Team needs him and GP-2 on the floor most of the time.

  • angry angry says:
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    I got involved in a conversation and missed the game. Pretty annoyed, sounds like they played great again. Tinkle is the man.

    • scotty says:
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      It wasn’t pretty, but it was a win with some nice GP2 highlights

    • mckalk says:
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      It was pretty ragged at times, but tough defense. GP-2 got in foul trouble and it was already apparent as to how much they need him. Who would have thought 3 double digit wins to start the season?

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Held ORU to 22% FG shooting.

  • Bob says:
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    Three things from tonight’s game. One, took my boy into the student section to sit (stand) and he had a ball. Two, this team is a helluva lot more fun to watch than last years. Three, GP2 is a highlight reel, monster dunks and he flat fires up a crowd. My 8 year old and I had a ball, even though we got soaked walking to the car after the game…dang it was pouring!

  • FatDog says:
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    Watching these early season games, I think Robinson left the cupboard pretty full. The team simply needed someone to develop them. I think that is happening with a solid coaching staff. That was Robinson’s fatal flaw.

    • Jack says:
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      This is a simple call.

      FatDog calls right what was always real.

      We have some players on the roster. We just need a fucking team.

      Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?

      • Jack says:
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        Oh…

        I know why.

        It’s because everyone in the “media” told you so.

        Even better… you had a friend who knows half a thing about hoops, and he watched OSU practice. His take is that we suck.

        You know what?

        You all suck.

        I like this team. I like our players. I don’t have any fucking faith in them. They are who they are.

        I end my rant against imaginary people who might be here at this time.

        • Jack says:
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          Yeah… that’s about the best I can do for hoops-smack-talk without linking music.

          Sorry. I like music when I’m happy.

          • Jack says:
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            I can’t even find half what I want to source in the google machine. I apologize to all for not knowing what.

            This is a struggle… and now I have to fight… aaaarghhh!

            What the hell people?

            Wait… have I been rambling?

        • cj cj says:
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          Not only imaginary, but invisible.

      • FatDog says:
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        I think the Robinson era will eventually be seen as positive in terms of building a roster and facilities. The crucial issue for me is: he demonstrated HE could coach a group of “losers” to a third level national title in his first year. What didn’t happen next was, in my opinion, for Robinson to realize he was in the bigs and needed to rely on and delegate to a coaching staff in order to play in the PAC 12. He kept thinking ivy league basketball. Maybe.

    • thatguy says:
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      I don’t know about “full”…there’s certainly some 2-3 star talent on the squad, but the talent level is aight at best right now. It’s not that there’s no players, they’re simply not quite P-12 caliber. More mid-major caliber. Plus there’s a depth issue, like if someone gets hurt for a couple games then you’ve got some walk ons out there. Tinkle with last year’s team wins 22-25 games is the honest difference. Coppin St, DePaul, Hawaii, Cal at home, Arizona St on the road, UCLA on the road already puts you at 22 wins and 11-7 in conference, good for 3rd in conference. Which is…….an NCAA tourney appearance!

      It’s the little things like that. As far as your comment goes, you will really see something when the Beavers play Oklahoma State on Monday. That’s the first BIG game we’ll see. At that point, you’ll see just the talent disparity which is why this team is still going to struggle all year.

      • mckalk says:
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        I agree with you. I was thinking that the most talented front court player the Beavs have faced so far was the guy from Western Oregon, so it will be interesting to see what happens when they face a more skilled front court.

        Payton would probably be a 4 star talent if he could shoot the ball. I don’t know it that will come or not.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        The Beavers’ ability defensively I think keeps them in it for a half against Ok State but Ok State dominates the second half. Beavers just don’t have the scoring punch to keep up with a team like that. They’ll play hard though and that will allow them to stay in it longer than they probably should. I’m just hoping the Beavs can win 1 of 2 in Vegas.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    CR’s team last year had more talent than Tinkly does right now…..and CR would have found a way, substitution, TO’s, whatever, to lose this ORU game.

    These guys are damn playing defense, and not throwing every other pass away on offense. The opponent makes a second half run and we DONT fold. Thats coaching, folks. I think now we have some! Hell, a lot!!

    Next year should really be fun….

    Jack — great opponent anaysis. Can ya do that for all opponents? Do what you can, I love it.

    • cj cj says:
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      CR would have lost the Corban game too. Probably… maybe.

      • Jack says:
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        gawd!

        really?

        Can we let it go already?

        • mckalk says:
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          Jack, people need their therapy!

        • OSU97 says:
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          jock, are you related to CR, or is it that you just can’t stand any criticism of the obama tribe?

          • Jack says:
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            It’s a dead horse. Go ahead and criticize Obama all you like so long as you do it right. GOP talking points are just dumb. But there’s a ton to criticize.

  • Jack says:
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    The one nice thing that happened was the first six minutes of the second half and going 12-0 during that span. With nobody on the other team taller than 6’6″, one would hope what happened would happen.

    Cheikh simply dominated the game on both ends during those minutes. And he really affected the game positively for the rest. I can’t believe his stats don’t read more than they are.

    Emegano with only seven points?

    And someone named Payton knows how to dunk?

    I’m sorry, but there were a lot of fouls on those traps ORU played in the second half press. Sutton would whine at the refs about his players being fouled when there was nobody within ten feet of them… all game long.

    • cj cj says:
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      That is so true! I was under the basket on the end opposite of the court from the band (did you see me on TV?) and saw the “fouls” called on the 3 attempts (when ORU shot and made 6 consecutive free throws). Neither was foul from my vantage point (about 15 feet).

      Without the free throws during the game ORU was blown out.

      As mentioned above…the Beav defense was/is awesome. Still a work in progress, but so much different than the last 6 years.

      • cj cj says:
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        Man, I really need to read my words before pressing the “submit” button… “… on the end opposite of the court from the …” WTF?

    • mckalk says:
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      And I didn’t see a foul on Payton’s two handed block either. P-12 refs sure know how to disrupt flow in basketball and football for that matter.

      I had no idea what was going to be called a foul as the game progressed. Whistle seemed delayed a couple of times while the ref was trying to decide also.

      Beavs are going to have to win a lot of games like this.

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