04.Mar.2015 Civil War Hoops

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8pm on ESPNU

I’m expecting Oregon to win by 20ish, but this is not a bad matchup so maybe not. (a) Beavs play well at home as we all know (b) Oregon is horrible on D, so Beavs can maybe get into the 70 point range, which with the Beavs D could keep it close. Still, I maintain my thesis that they’re on fumes, so despite a pretty good matchup I think they lose by double digits.

79-63, Oregon

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  • homefry homefry says:
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    They are on fumes, but should be fueled by fan support. When are we going to get some homer refs this season? They have MIA most of the year.

    I don’t think it will be a double digit win for the Ducks…63-60 Beavers.

    • helmsley says:
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      Wow! what a prediction. Am I correct in recalling that you are a savvy bettor?

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    No way the ducks score 79. Not happening. The most points they’ve given up at Gill all year was 64 (UCSB). I’m not going to go as far as predicting a win but in the last 2 home games they gave up 47 and 58 points. If they’re on fumes, the defensive effort is still there. I recall the Buffs only scoring 12 in the first half last home game (yes they scored 46 in the 2nd half).

  • homefry homefry says:
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    FWIW…line has moved from Ducks -2 this morning to pick, and back now Ducks -1…over/under has ranged between 124-125.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    They might win. They might lose. Who do the refs want to win?

    • Bill says:
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      Refs tend to favor the home team. Beavs need to be aggressive early and get to the line.

      • scotty says:
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        Refs also want to boost quackers’ tourney resume

        • Jack says:
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          Depends on what crew works the game. If Batsell, Scyphers or Rastatter are on the floor, the home team gets jobbed. Eggers and Brill are normally homers, but they’re the complete opposite at Gill. Hall and McCall are homers.

  • Bill says:
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    The game will come down to Olaf. Maybe he just needs some warm hugs to hit a few threes.

    If they can keep the score low and rebound every duck miss, they’ll have a good shot. Otherwise the game will run away from them like the past 2.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      It won’t be a run away. The Beavers will play over their heads at home like they have all year. It will be the best crowd of the year. The players will feed off the crowd. GP will make some big time plays and the place will be jumping. Jarmal matches up really well against Oregon. The Ducks aren’t big and he’ll be able to attack the rim. If he gets Cook and Bell into foul trouble then all of Oregon’s rim protection is gone and it changes the dynamic of the game. I’d start Jarmal and really only play Olaf to give Jarmal a breather. I think Jarmal and GP have huge games and Duvivier plays solidly. Beavers force 20 Oregon turnovers and win 68-60

      • homefry homefry says:
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        If you start Jarmal, will anyone else see the ball?

        • GoBeavs90 says:
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          Yup. I’m okay with Jarmal being super aggressive and attacking the rim at will tonight. He’s not exactly a super willing passer but I’ll take the bad with the good one in this one. Best matchup tonight for OSU is letting him catch it at the elbow and attack. Think it will really pay off.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    My son wants to make a sign to take to Gill tonight.

    2/3 of the earth is covered by water. The rest by Gary Payton II

    It’s probably already been done by someone but I thought it was clever

    • OneEyedKing says:
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      That’s pretty awesome. GP2 is a beast.

    • scotty says:
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      2/3 of the earth is covered by water. The rest by whiskey

  • NITBound says:
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    Beavs will play well overall at home as usual. Ducks are pretty good scoring team but OSU should hold them to 68 or under if we want decent shot to win. I see a back and forth game but OSU has to stay within 4 or 5 or we could lose by 8 or 9 at the end. Personally I think it comes down to last few minutes.

    I’ll go OSU 67, Oregon 64 for the final. If Ducks win then maybe 70-63 Oregon.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Tinkle named to the Naismith COY semi-finalist list, rest of the group listed at the bottom:

    http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=209926014

  • angry angry says:
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    If the Beavs win tonight, are they in the NIT?

  • Issaquahbeav says:
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    Does UO really have anything to play for? Aren’t they widely considered already in the tourney?

    • angry angry says:
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      Does UO really have anything to play for?

      Keeping OSU out of the NIT, perpetuation little brother syndrome, etc.

      • Issaquahbeav says:
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        That’s a fan’s perspective, not a player’s perspective. It’s not like UO has a bunch of State of Oregon kids that really get the rivalry.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      A loss to the Beavers hurts Oregon. It would probably put them in the last four in. If some other teams get big wins in their conference tournaments and Oregon loses in the quarters it would put them on the wrong side of the bubble. Oregon needs to win this to put them safely in and not have some teams overpass them

      • NITBound says:
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        Ducks can lose tonight and still will almost surely be in the NCAA. They would have to also lose their Pac-12 Tourney opener to be sweating anything and that is less likely than losing to OSU. They might even be able to get away with back to back losses but I just don’t see them losing their Pac-12 openerm. Thus Beavs winning tonight to be on cusp on NIT and Oregon winning one or more in Pac-12 is a more likely scenario and furthers the state programs much more. OSU has a real chance to squeeze into its biggest Tourney in some time and Oregon still will be in the Tourney trying to go on a little run and make some noise.

    • Jack says:
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      It’ll be the last time for a while they can actually beat us.

      • scotty says:
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        Ehhh, I’m sure they’ll cheat, buy, lie, rape, and pillage their way into some victories of typical duckie fashion

  • scotty says:
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    Maybe I’m going overboard, but I’m beginning to feel like being a quack fan without having gone to the school is a sort of pathology.

    It says you choose to admire:
    * win at all costs
    * gaudy outfits
    * attention whoring
    * mega-donors taking over college athletics
    * creepy Dana Altman

    I’m probably reading too much into things, but seriously…. If you went to the school, fine. Otherwise, it’s borderline sick.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Comeon, some of that is absolutely the American way….lol

      • scotty says:
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        Ducks are the Kardashians of the college sports world

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      An immature need for instant gratification applied to a search for reflected glory in which to bask, Yup, borderline sick may understate the condition.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    I trust my magic 8-ball. It said “All signs point to yes!” ….I fogot to pose the question, though, so….

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    anybody have a live stream other than the WatchESPN?

  • scotty says:
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    No seniors on the roster – pretty amazing

  • scotty says:
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    Time for the walk-ons to walk-off

  • angry angry says:
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    Wait, why is Tinkle starting walk ons?

    • scotty says:
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      no seniors, so he’s honoring them

      according to parker

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Cause there’s not an actual senior night and then they fall down 3-0 and can’t even get the ball across midcourt

  • NITBound says:
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    Time to get the walkons off. Put in Payton and Co.

  • angry angry says:
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    Well that is bad coaching

    • scotty says:
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      Maybe he’s coaching the long-term war instead of this battle… or something I dunno

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Probably, but he is showing appreciation to guys who may never see the court again. Response I’ve seen indicates many think it is a classy move.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Chances are they won’t even be on the team next year. All from Oregon. Classy move and in the end it didn’t hurt them.

  • HireHowland says:
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    Game Over. Tinkle threw it away by starting walkons.

    • angry angry says:
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      If they lose by 3 and miss the NIT because of that he’s sure going to hear it around here.

      • scotty says:
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        No way we’re losing by only 3 if we lose πŸ˜›

      • Mb says:
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        Not from anyone with an iota of intelligence and integrity. All those guys will be gone next year. They sacrificed for the greater good of the team and the program. Fuck narcicism and fuck the nit.

        • scotty says:
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          Much appreciation for the walk-ons πŸ™‚

          I’m still DYING from curiosity about how my life would be better if the Ducks won a National Championship, though. And does the same apply for basketball? Please enlighten me! I’ve been asking so nicely!

      • steveEbeaver says:
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        Bad logic Angry, you’ve even said as much during the football season.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Great call

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Parker says three travels by ucks have been missed by “the trio”,

  • scotty says:
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    Officials want the ducks to win, ho hum big surprise

  • angry angry says:
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    Why are OSU fans all 100? lol

    It’s embarrassing to show the stands.

  • scotty says:
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    Olaf 7 for his last 41?!

    holy schmoly

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      So he’s been on fire?

    • cj cj says:
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      We sent word to Olaf through practice player Bryan Boswell that we killed a chicken this morning and took the hex off his shooting. We forgot about LM-W though, damn…

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        bucket of KFC? Won’t lie, that’s what my sons and I had for dinner pregame last night

  • NITBound says:
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    I Love My Beavers! This will be big if we get this one.

  • angry angry says:
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    The Jekyll and Hyde show continues. Looks like we got the good Beavs tonight.

  • Bill says:
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    Playing pretty ugly basketball but somehow leading.

  • scotty says:
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    Thank you for showing up tonight Olaf! πŸ˜€

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    Crowd is amped…I wish I was there!

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    I don’t trust the refs with any judgment calls…ugh…

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    What a stupid ruling

  • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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    Bad officiating. It should have been technical fouls both ways.

    • scotty says:
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      Seriously, it says “Fighting Ducks” right on their uniforms – dead giveaway!

  • scotty says:
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    Where’s that annoying Beaver fan who keeps relentlessly heckling a particular player on the opposing team? I miss him

    • Dansen says:
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      He was down in L.A. to continue his heckling of Stewart.

      • scotty says:
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        Well, Stewart does suck… so I hear…. from that heckler…

  • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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    WT was just trying to get more production from the bench tonight.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    At Gill. Maybe a thousand quacks here. 4 extremely annoying ones right behind us. I’ll write a post game report later. It’s loud in here tonight.

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      “a thousand quacks…. extremely annoying ones” – feeling redundant tonight, eh? πŸ˜‰

    • Dansen says:
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      A thousand Quacks? Doesn’t look near that on the tele.

      • cj cj says:
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        Didn’t look like that many to me either. We had a bunch of idiot quackers (15 or so) in the row behind us that bitched about every call. I finally told them to shut the fuck up about halfway through the first half. It was pretty decent after that.

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    Regarding the “old” fan base…I’ve said for years that they film from the wrong side…that or the student section should be moved across the court. The cameras only get the backs of the heads of the top of the section…gives a skewed perception I think.

  • thembeavers thembeavers says:
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    Ducks fans got mad at me just for saying that the Foul of GP2 was not that bad and he should not be ejected lol wow

  • scotty says:
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    Time for the recently customary 2nd half meltdown πŸ™

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Haven’t had any at home. They’ll feed off the home crowd

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Olaf is alive!

  • FatDog says:
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    I am likin’ This!

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    I went through the day as a well-adjusted, even-keeled man.

    Then I turned on my TV.

    The sight of neon green and yellow changes me.

    #purehatred

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Olaf with a brain cramp there. Just froze right in front of half court

  • NITBound says:
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    Payton not making that bit awkward layup could prove costly. So far it has been.

  • scotty says:
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    WTF tune-in radio cut off the radio broadcast to start playing a football rerun!

  • angry angry says:
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    I think you just have to play Payton. If he fouls out so be it, but he does no good on the bench.

    • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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      Agreed. Tough call to make but it is the right one.

      • angry angry says:
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        My logic:

        a. Without him in there, you know you lose.
        b. With him out there, you have a chance to win, and maybe he doesn’t pick up another foul.

        These coaches get too conservative with 4 fouls. I’d rather milk all the minutes out of the best player than put him on the bench assuming he picks up a 5th foul he might never get.

        • scotty says:
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          “I’d rather milk all the minutes out of the best player than put him on the bench assuming he picks up a 5th foul he might never get.”

          I’ve been saying this for a while, and people think I’m an idiot for it.

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            It depends on the way the team is made up. With this team, they need Payton to win, so having him sit is an auto-loss. If the team had depth and/or more scoring options, you could argue to bench him for a bit and have him on the court at the end when it matters most. It depends, but in this case I think put him out there.

          • scotty says:
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            Why does the end matter more when all the points during the game are equal?

          • angry angry says:
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            It doesn’t. But if you have depth it’s a luxury to play the psychological game of having him out there late.

        • NITBound says:
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          Tinkle will bring him in pretty soon. Also psychologically want to have threat exist. If he fouls out too early with 6+ minutes left then both sides no his threat is gone.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Agree 100%, this squad can’t do the job w/o their heart.

  • NITBound says:
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    Tough fouls on Payton but he usually isn’t that lungy. Bad break.

    • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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      the rebound foul was bad – you’ll get called every time and he had no chance to get that rebound.

  • angry angry says:
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    Morris Walker is MIA most nights. Really disappointing.

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    LMW has not had a good night.

  • scotty says:
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    Radio feed is back! πŸ˜€

    I missed you Mike Parker ;_;

    • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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      Mike Parker was at my regular coffeehouse downtown yesterday. He sounds just like I pictured him on the radio.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers are giving up great looks on threes now. Oregon is about to take care of business now, it seems.

  • FatDog says:
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    Altman has that “I recruit sexual predators and then I lie about it” look.

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      : – }

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      LMFAO! One of the dick ducks behind us was crowing about some 5* guard they have coming in next season. I asked how many women he’d raped as that’s a prerequisite to be admitted on the UO men’s basketball team

  • mckalk says:
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    Tinkle really wants this one, you can see it on his face.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Reid at 25 minutes now, close to his limit.

  • FatDog says:
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    Nolaf

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Yeah, this game is over. Execution once again isn’t there

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      And the Beavers make plays to stay in this. Impressive. Offense didn’t do anything in the half court in quite a while and finally made a couple plays

  • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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    I’m really enjoying these commentators on ESPNU. They’re having a lot of fun and calling it well for both sides.

  • angry angry says:
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    If feels like Gomis has 100 fouls

  • angry angry says:
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    Olaf lazy pass…jeez.

  • angry angry says:
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    Wow, brutal loss.

  • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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    I don’t mind sending the walk-ons in for one possession. But they should have been out after the first one.

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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    So what happens in this game if you don’t spot the ducks eight points?

    • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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      Sure was a neat deal to let those five walk on from Oregon start though.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Regulars came back down 5-0. The bigger factor was blowing the 9 point lead before the half.

  • JD says:
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    Ref blew that call. Payton wasn’t tied up.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Oregon State took way too long to get into the offense there. Team hasn’t been able to execute in key spots in a while this season. This loss will sting. Right in the game but just can’t execute

  • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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    OSU played sloppy in the last five minutes. Turnovers and they started missing shots.

  • FatDog says:
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    Regardless of record, I think NIT will want this team.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Damn you, Angry, you’re right again. A 3 pt loss just as you mentioned; how many did the walkons give up?

  • scotty says:
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    Three points. Guess you were right, angry

    So. Tired. Of the Ducks. Just enough already.

  • angry angry says:
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    This loss is squarely on Tinkle with that dumb walk-on gesture. Where is that BenHowland character when he’s actually right for once?

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      It’s on him, and he knows it, but he can’t say it because it would be throwing the walk-ons under the bus

      • angry angry says:
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        The walk-ons should say it, then, and throw Tinkle under the bus.

      • thembeavers thembeavers says:
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        I don’t know the T on GP2 with the 5 point swing was pretty painful too

        • mckalk says:
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          There was a tough “Beaver Five Point Swing” when Payton somehow missed that layup and the Ducks hit a three at the other end. Just little things that the Beavs could not get done on this night. The effort was there, the execution was hit or miss, mostly on offense.

    • Corey says:
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      I don’t think the loss is on Tinkle because there are so many additional factors beyond the first few moments, although I think we can all agree if you’re going to star the walk-ons, they’re out after one possession. Closing out the the first half has been a struggle and was again tonight, which was more impactful than the first few minutes. Pretty well coached game overall and lots of effort from the players.

  • scotty says:
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    When you think about it, it’s a microcosm of life. If you have more money and you cheat, you usually come out on top.

    so it is

  • FatDog says:
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    The walk-ons may have inspired them to play as close as they did. We can’t know.
    What it does is build on the future as team that respects its Oregon born players. It wins hearts and minds against a lying, cheating, win at any cost university.
    It will pay off.

    • angry angry says:
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      Nope. Nice try, though.

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      I want to believe you, but it sounds like wishful loser-type thinking to me. Forget respecting Oregon born players and any effects of that. Forget hearts, minds, and lying. People respect WINNING. In the end, that’s all people really care about.

      • steveEbeaver says:
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        Fact is that they wouldn’t have had enough players to practice without the walk-ons and everybody knew it was a one year deal. Are you forgetting they had a 9 point lead that they gave up before the half?

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          It’s not the walk-ons’ fault. I’m sure they do their best, and they were important this year.

          That doesn’t mean the coach has to start them and put us in a 5 point hole in an important game. They are two separate issues.

          • angry angry says:
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            That’s exactly right. Venn Diagram, folks.

          • angry angry says:
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            He could have started them, called a timeout after 10 seconds, and got them off the court. Or just had a ceremony for them after the game. There are plenty of ways to say thanks without costing the game. This ranks as #1 on my Tinkle’s dumbest moments so far. I can’t even think of another gaff, so that’s a good thing, but boy this was a doozy.

            You didn’t see the winning coach starting his bench players, and he had an NCAA bid sealed up. Tinkle showing some Riley there, and I don’t like it one bit.

          • cj cj says:
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            You are full of shit! ~ Everything you’ve said in this entire thread is bullshit. Buddy.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            go read Tinkle’s response. He played it by ear. Sorry it took 29 seconds of a 40 minute game before the damage was done and the game was lost. I guess we all should’ve just gone home at that point since it was a foregone conclusion?

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            Actually as a historical reference, Ralph Miller started all five of his seniors at home against Arizona State when the team was 26-0. They got behind quickly and never recovered. Finished the regular season 26-1. The debacle against Kansas St. followed to end their season.

          • Fred says:
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            The reward for the walk-ons is being part of a Division 1 program. These guys don’t have the talent to be on the floor for anything other than mop up. I appreciate what they sacrificed but this isn’t grade school hoops. And if you want to start them do it against colorado or anybody but the ducks. There was a near sellout tonite that deserved our best on the court for 40 minutes.

          • angry angry says:
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            Yep.
            People are getting choked up in the emotion and gesture of it and not seeing the reality: D1 hoops is business and all about winning, and the Beavs lost a shot at their first NIT in a decade because of this. Maybe the starters give up 5 points and the outcome is no different, but I would rather know that than forever wonder.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            OR, maybe GP II starts and picks up one of those 2 early fouls and has to sit longer in the 2nd half or fouls out completely with over 10 minutes left when he picked up his 4th. But I wouldn’t rather know than forever wonder due to the ineptness of Pac-12 officials. I can second guess and play devils advocate too. You can’t have it both ways. But if’s are just that

          • scotty says:
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            But which was more likely?

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            well with 5 guys on the floor a 1 in 5 chance. So 20%.

  • NITBound says:
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    I thought it all might hinge on that Payton missed layup and it did. Beavs would have had 8 point lead and place would have nuts. Instead Ducks quickly had it back to 3 and soon after a 1 point lead. Without that OSU woukd have led for atleast 5 or 6 more minutes. We really should have won this game. Some good play and parts but weren’t clutch enough. 3 more defensive stops and we win. Really wanted NIT and Tinkle to be coach of year. Team didn’t finish season strong and getting swept in the Civil War leaves a sour taste. Hope I am wrong but I think Colorado was last win of season. Opportunity lost tonight. Special moment possible and sadly Tinkle Rileyed it. I hate saying maybe next year. Good effort but ready for more spoils. Must learn to seize the moment as a program.

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      Good job good effort

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      I thought in typical fashion Olaf missed the wide open three that would have put them up 55-52. Olaf hits that and it might have been a different outcome. Of course he makes the desparate three from the corner when it was almost over.

      I think they have a good shot at beating the Huskies on a neutral court, but who knows if the motivation will be there.

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        To me even doing that isn’t NIT worthy. Tonight was the chance. Just like that 3, you have to hit it when it matters.

        Please pass on the CBI. That isn’t the culture we are building. After season these players need to go to bed every night planning their revenge on Oregon. We have to own the state again. Losing to them twice is a blow and not a good mark. OSU basketball should have taken an important step forward tonight but now we have to wait and make certain we take advantage of every opportunity next year with more road wins and reveling in wins over Oregon at the top of the list. This better be serious motivation.

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          My line of thought is that if they beat the Huskies then they play the Ducks again. 3 losses to the Ducks in one season….ugh! I really don’t want to see that.

          As far as the CBI, it should be up to the players. If they want to play, let them play.

          • NotNITBound says:
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            I don’t expect us to beat the Dogs. A couple more missed chances in the crunch is what seems most likely. Time to reverse the recent trend but I just don’t think this team has that extra spark right now.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Seriously? The huskies have won ONE game since they dismissed Robert Upshaw. Beavs get UW in the tourney, they will win. and it won’t be close. Tinkle > Romar. Romar consistently does less with more. One of the worst if not the worst coach in the Pac-12

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            They might beat Colorado, but watch the Dawgs get their asses handed to them at home against Utah this weekend then get back to me.

            #NotHappening

            #RomarIsTerribleCoach

  • mckalk says:
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    This was such a stupid loss in so many ways, they did such a good job containing punk ass Young. Pretty decent chance the Beavs play the Ducks again in the tourney, but I don’t think the fire will be there on the neutral court. It’s going to be tough to swallow an 0-3 season against them. I hope Jack is correct and an end to those days is around the corner.

  • ochoco kid says:
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    Right, fatdog & scotty. I’m SURE beyond any doubt, that’s why oregon won.

  • Houston Beavs says:
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    DIS MO FO TINKLE WINKLE BEST FIGURE IT OUT OR TAKE HIS SWEATY ASS SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY APPRECIATE DUMB CLOCK MANGEMENT AND HORRIBLE PLAY CAL:L DOWN THE STRECTCH!!! WE PAID GOOOOD ASS MONEY FO)R THESE TICKETS AND WHUT WE GETTIN NOW????? FFFF THIS ALLL!!!

    i straight had it with the entir BS they keep selling in thwe ABig office!!!! GOD DAMMMMMKM!!!!!

    WHAT WE GON BEAT THERM DUCK IN BASEBAL????? LETTZZZZ GOO!!!

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      Drugs are bad, mmkay?

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      Victor….please get back to your studies while you still have a scholarship.

  • scotty says:
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    Uh oh, Tinkle hit Parker with a “gosh darn it”

    mommy I’m scared, there’s a monster chewing gum with a bike under my bed

  • mckalk says:
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    I’m not too worked up about the walk-ons starting, after all LMW played all 30 plus mintues like a walk on anyway.

  • Houston Beavs says:
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    JARNAL JUS TOO REAL WIT DAT PUT BACK DOE!!!!1!!

  • Houston Beavs says:
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    WE LOOKIN STRAIIIIT CBI OR BUSSSST!!!!

    #G
    #D
    #A
    #A
    #A
    #M
    #M
    #M

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      Your mom’s lookin straight whore. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaammmm

  • scotty says:
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    Still on the Tinkle train, by the way – just feeling a little motion sick right now

    Go beavs, thanks for turning what looked like a lost year into something exciting πŸ™‚

    • NotNITBound says:
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      We will know alot more in next couple years. Will Tinkle learn from small things and continue to get better or plateau? Our finish this year and non success against Oregon are my two biggest issues this season. We were in 90% should make the NIT position for awhile. The Robbins thing hurt and the kid takes most the blame but a great coach will still do everything to build a culture where players aren’t likely to be in that headspace. Maybe in future years and with team leaders and coaches they can identify the player or two most susceptible to a slip and be sure they do every thing they can to avoid these stories. You can always be better in every facet and like Wooden says it all builds a pyramid of success.

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        Hard for me to blame a first year coach for not having a culture in place which insures that a guy like Robbins has his head right.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        I don’t understand how anyone thinks that Tinkle could have done better or more. He had a team that went 7 deep after the suspension of Robbins. Which is not the coach’s fault. I’m sure coach just told the kids, sure, do whatever you want. Then proceeded to get VR loaded and hand him his car keys. This coaching staff did the best they could with the cards they were dealt. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Any other thinking is purely idiotic.

  • mckalk says:
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    When you look at the stats you would think it was a Beaver win, they did almost everything right as a whole except Oregon had a decent edge in foul shooting.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      That’s the reason they lost. You cannot put the best FT shooting team in the conference at the line 24 times. They made 19. OSU was 8 for 11 at the FT line. And 14 offensive rebounds. There’s your ballgame

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    I CANT BELIEVE THEY DIDNT CALL DAT FOWL DOE!!!!

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    Don’t think Howland would have list twice to the Ducks. Tink has done good but we left too much on the table. Next year better be a big step up as GP2 being in the NCAA Tourney would seem fitting. So much work left for that to happen. Still a considerable hurdle but Rueck has shown the way.

  • angry angry says:
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    I remember like a month ago saying they had one win left vs CO and everyone said I was crazy. Just saying…

    I actually think they have a better chance to make a run in the Pac-12 tournament than they did to beat anyone but CO down the stretch. There are reasons I think that, but too lazy to write it out right now.

    • HireHowland says:
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      I think Tinkle limps out of this season. I hate going straight out of the Pac-12 tourney and the best coaches make sure they don’t. Give us 35% odds to beat UW. Tinkle still has more to prove. Find a way.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I remember saying no way the ducks would score 79 points tonight. And I was right. Win some, lose some. I don’t recall saying you were crazy. I just disagreed. You don’t think this team can regroup with a week off and win an opening round game in the conference tournament? If you say no, THEN I’ll say your crazy πŸ™‚

      • mckalk says:
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        You’ve been pretty good on your picks. I hope the Beavs get one in the P-12 tourney. It sounds like I’m one of the few in favor of the CBI. A chance to play more, is a chance to play more in my book. Go to the CBI, smother some mid-majors and win the damn thing. Get a 20 win season in the first year. Not sure what’s wrong with that?

        • Jack says:
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          Problem is we run up against finals and spring break. And because it’s an off-tourney the games are all played on Monday and Tuesday evenings. That’s a recipe for 2,000 fans… or 200… or, as they say at the TTATT, a sell-out.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          what Jack said. However, NIT or CBI we will be there supporting this team if there is another home game. This team has earned our support. I really hope there is one last game at Gill

  • angry angry says:
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    Did anyone listen to Tinkle post-game? Did he address the walk on issue?

  • follow me on Twitter @beavernation58 says:
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    I listened. Not quite sure what you mean by “issue” However, he said he decided to start them on the trip back from the Bay Area to say thanks for everything they have done this year. It was a really cool thing to do for Those kids who get beat up practice after practice and have made this year possible. If you are really gonna address the walk ons starting as the reason we lost, then you are sadly mistaken. 30 seconds to start a game did NOT cost us the game, smh

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    I don’t even blame the walk on thing for the loss, that had me super hyped at the game. Starting 5 walk ons, all from Oregon, against UO made me stand up during the starting lineups for the first time all year. Takes some cojones and basically says “eff y’all we ain’t scared”. I just wish we pulled them after one possession, not two and putting Young at the free throw line. That boy really enjoys being Marshall Henderson reincarnate.

    The atmosphere was CRAZY tonight…I want another crack at these boys when we can match up with their depth. The team won’t let this happen again, I can assure that.

    Team is limping out of the season though. They are gassed, and it shows. I just want them to win their first game in the Pac-12, beat Oregon if they get em, and get the hell out of there if they aren’t winning the Pac-12 title. I’ve seen more than enough heart, passion, defense, and commitment to improving that I’m satisfied as a fan. Couple balls bounce our way, Robbins doesn’t miss half the season due to being stupid and reckless, and we are looking at a few more wins.

    My expectations from here on out are winning basketball games. I’m excited for what comes.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I agree. For those that think it did please consider the beavers came back from down 8-0 to hold the biggest lead of the game for either team at 28-19. The game was not won or lost in the first 30 seconds by starting 5 walk ons that are all from Oregon. Did they make mistakes? Yes. It was the coaching staff’s way of thanking them for their hard work and effort, in their final home game of the season mind you, considering most of them (if not all) will not be back next season. The starting 5 had no problem with it and I don’t either.

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    I love Tinkle, but I already got some stuff I’m gonna complain about

    1) Finishing out first halves the right way so we don’t give the other team momentum. See: @UCLA, UO, @Cal (actually damn near every away game). I hate when we’re up 30-21 with 2 minutes left then all of a sudden at half time it’s 30-29.

    2) Working on man-to-man defense with new guys so our depth can be utilized.

    3) Closing out on shooters, and bigs leaving their feet and end up fouling shooters.

    4) Losing to goddamned Oregon. I’m out here trying to convince people that OSU is clearly the better school, does more for the state, is the true flagship, has more integrity, better campus, etc. I need Tinkle (and Andersen) to do their parts. I’d like to see these matchups go the way of the women’s basketball matchups.

    5) Running offense so we don’t have those long scoring droughts (which honestly might be the talent and gas thing). Related: making sure we can shoot.

    6) Using tempo as our friend when we have plenty of bodies.

    7) Making sure Olaf plays inside out and doesn’t just chill on the three point line the whole time.

    8) I’m going at whoever is starting. I’m thinking Bruce-GPII-Thompson-Tres-Gomis with your second unit of LMW-Duvivier-Olaf-Reid-Gligs with Togiai, Eubanks, CND getting spot time.

    This is a critical view of Beaver athletics, yes?

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      1). Yes. The Beavs struggled at this against the better teams. This will improve with more/better depth

      2). They did play man to man tonight. Several times. With a deeper roster, you can do this more often

      3). A complaint of mine as well. Many times they had more than one player close out on a shooter or go for the block on the initial shot leaving a wide open put back that the ducks converted. Tinkle said in the post game that this happened due to lack of communication on the floor. You can’t run every play of every game correctly. Basketball is a game of mistakes. The team that makes fewer mistakes usually wins.

      4). It will take time. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Might get another shot at them in the Pac-12 tourney. Hate to admit it but they’re a good team and are hot right now. Coming off their first bay area sweep since the 70’s and have won 9 of 10. Things will get better grasshoppa

      5). That’s what they had to do to stay in games with a short bench. WT even stated as such. It wasn’t pretty sometimes and they know that. Sorry but you cannot get out and run with or on an opponent only going 7 deep. Guys get gassed. More mistakes are then made

      6). That will happen. Starting next year

      7). Olaf had to play this year. See lack of depth. Next year? Unless he transforms miraculously, it won’t be as much.

      8). I’m not really sure what you’re saying or asking here. But I disagree with Gomis starting due to his lack of offense. I’d start Bruce, GP II as your guards, Reid as a forward. The other forward and center spots to be determined next fall after practices start. I recall Tres Tinkle saying that the incoming players played some pick up games last summer against the current players. And won their fair share of them. How ready will the new guys be for Pac-12 caliber play? Stay tuned to find out next season. Some guys might be ready right away, some may not.

      Yes this is a critical view of beaver athletics. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion as Angry states. But I also think you are missing one key ingredient to this years team. This years team lacks a true point guard. GP II, LMW nor Duvivier are a true point guard. All work better off the ball to get open and create. I think we all are anticipating the addition of next years players. Which has a true PG in there (Derrick Bruce)

      • thatguy says:
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        I kinda meant this as a template for what I’m looking for next year. As in, “if this isn’t addressed then I’m gonna say what gives”.

        I went to every OSU game at home except UCSB, listened to that one, and watched every game on TV or streamed it. I’m fully aware Malcolm isn’t a true PG lol. Plus I know about the depth. I’m not complaining about much except 1&7 plus rebounding sometimes. Team rebounding was fine this year overall though.

        Overall, I’m happy with how this year turned out and excited for the future. 17 wins out of 30 games? Damn straight. Gill rocked this year, will rock next year and beyond.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Well you got back to Gill quicker than we did. Good job. You’re more of a glutton for punishment than I was. I’ve seen enough bad basketball the last 20 years to last a lifetime. I’m happy too. No matter how this ride ends. I’ll say this. I hope they get one more home game. I don’t even care if it’s the CBI. We will be there to show our support for their effort in a season no one expected jack shit out of them. After all they’ve done and the effort they put out, they deserve that at the very least. Now, rest up, watch the carnage unfold this weekend and let the chips fall where they may. Pac-12 tourney starts on Wednesday

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      I’m with you on #7. I thought Olaf and inside-out was the plan – early article about it. Perhaps he doesn’t have the ability to play inside-out? He is pretty slow.

      • cj cj says:
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        Talked to Tinkle about that in an email. After I said that I thought they needed to piss Olaf off to get him to quit being pushed around, Tinkle said, “we’ve tried everything we can think of” to get him there.

        Next year he will be coming off the bench and, I think, is much better suited to that.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    I’m going to be penning a letter to all of beaver nation and duck fans after duck fan behavior at Gill tonight. I’ve been to many, many games in my almost 40 years of existence. Tonight was by far the worst experience I’ve ever had. At any game. And it happened at Gill. While I do not claim to be a saint and can swear with the best of the em, duck fan’s foul mouthed language and behavior directed at anyone and anything that negatively impacted their team was deplorable. And it happened right in front of my 13 and 8 year old sons. I’m not sure my sons would ever want to attend another civil war game in any sport after tonight. If I wanted to see that kind of behavior, I’d go elsewhere. I have never seen a beaver fan act like that at any venue. And if I had, I’d have said something. We are better than that. Maybe this is just a problem in general nowadays and I’m the one getting old?

    • Victor Robbins says:
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      Why don’t you cry about it, whiskey napkin! Blame the duck fans for your family problems!.

      Blame me and blame Tinkle for suspending me! I bet if we won, we see about 4,000 less words from you, let alone about other fans “foul language and behavior” oh my that’s funny!

      Who gives a shit? This team never had a chance without me IMHO!!!!

      • Jack says:
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        Ooooh!

        Ducky troll had to break character because his wittle feelings were hurt. Boo hoo! Mean old person on a site for some other team where I troll and insult them… and some kid… and a whole race… mean old person said us Duckies are aggressively rude, vulgar and insulting.

        He has no right to say those things. Boo hoo!

        Go back to eSchmuck you little pissant.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        I did cry about it. Last night. To your mom while my dong was in her mouth. After you got home from your shift at McDonalds and watched a replay of the game while masturbating to a picture of Chip Kelly and LeGarrete Blount’s sucker punching Byron Hout.

        I am not joking here. The “shit crew” behind us talked about nothing but everything duckdom. LOUDLY. To the trade of LeSean McCoy to the Bills for Kiko “curb stomp” Alonso (that hasn’t even happened) to the ducks killing the wrestling program. Chip Kelly’s name was mentioned so many times I lost count. I think they were masturbating under their shirts after mentioning his name. Duck fans think we’re pathetic? LMFAO!

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        Ezekiel Elliott just scored again. With your mom

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          I trust and have faith in my abilities. I have my whole life ahead of me and I will rise again.

          2016 player of the year is my next goal.

          I wish I could be on hand for this next final game of the season but I need to stay focused and keep hitting the gym for my hello world tour season next year.

          We’d be a tournament team this year with me playing but no.

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            eSchmuckie’s wittle feelings hurt? Poor, poor eSchmuckie.

            Truth does hurt when you choose to read it. I guess reading something other than Ducksturbation blogs and articles must be disturbing for you.

            Let me help you a little to make you feel more at home.

            He/they didn’t rape/pillage/steal/smoke/drink/beat female(s)/take money. Just read the police/NCAA report (that happens to contradict everything I just said… but sounds good knowing that everyone else in the world is as lazy as a Duck and won’t actually read the reports… or the articles about the reports… or the articles about the authorities concluding that he/they did, in fact, do whatever it was). Just read it!

            He/they must not have wanted to put in the hard work necessary to play for Coach Altman (this is one of my all time faves).

            We didn’t want him anyway. He would just be sitting on the bench behind X, Y and Z.

            Nuh uh! Read the US News rankings. They is right.

            What’s Oxfam?

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            Almost forgot…

            They’re just jealous.

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    post game press conference. Tinkle said he would start the walk ons again. The players were all behind it as well. Also in jest I think he was criticizing the officials for Oregon shooting 24 FT’s to the Beavs 11. For a team that shoots more 3’s. Maybe, but no mention of the 14 offensive rebounds they gave up. Also, they gave a tribute to the home crowd at the end of the game and appreciate us all getting back on board, being there and getting behind them.

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      I thought WT’s comments about needing every player to show up every night when you have such little depth was spot on and also his comments about confidence and toughness. Reading between the lines, LMW and Olaf need to seriously upgrade their level of play because next year there will be a lot of options, which unfortunately will probably also play mind games with their confidence.

      I hope Duvivier and Reid keep improving, they have unique games that present challenges for other teams. Duvivier seems fearless to me and Reid has developed a nice albeit awkward game around the basket (plus the great improvement in foul shooting).

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        He didn’t sweat enough.

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          And thanks Mike Riley for starting the walk on’s! Neat deal to lose the CW.

  • Victor Robbins says:
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    So sorry everyone. I just can’t stop crying. The songs are like replays in my head. Why oh why?!

    Shake it off but shaken.

    #blessed

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      seriously. Give it a rest duck douchebag.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      your mom couldn’t stop crying after the game either. Oh, wait. Those weren’t tears streaming down here face. That was Bukkake. Sorry, my bad. She’s such a whore. No wonder you make such poor decisions. Much like you it runs in the family

      Go to bed mom! You’re drunk!

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Sorry, but the walk on stunt did cost us the game. He should have honored them with introductions in place of the non existent seniors and left it at that. This was a Riley nice guy move and I am sick of that shit. Everybody who follows this team knows that the margin of error is so thin that they cannot concede anything. Spotted them eight points and lost by three. Do the math. Even with all the other issues, the game was there for the taking. Major bonehead move by our HC. He Tinkled on Beavernation.

  • follow me on Twitter @beavernation58 says:
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    Good news is….beaver gopher…. you don’t know your facts at all. We were down 3 not 8, but good try!

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      We we down by 8 points because the flow of the game was fucked up by the chaos caused by the walk on’s turning the ball over. So, literally they cost us three, but in reality it was eight before the starters settled in. So the three still gets us to a tie. A stupid, fucking move. Do you honestly believe the starters would have been down that much had they been in the game at the tip? Perhaps Payton gets a steal and we make a mini run to start the game.

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        Mini run??? Who wants a mini run??? Haha you white people r funny lolz!!!

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          your mom does. Guess she has a thing for white midgets

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        or perhaps Payton II gets whistled for an early foul and has to sit even earlier. The failed experiment lasted all of 29 seconds. It was 3-0 when the regular starters came in. after the initial 8-0 start the Beavs outscored the ducks 28-11. Again I ask, since it was a foregone conclusion at that point should we have all just gone home and awarded the game to the ducks?

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Yes you should have LOL.
          I’m just really pissed off we lost. The game was there for the taking. Why make it harder?

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    I’m PBH and I hate the phrase “boneheaded” but starting the Dixon Rec. center all-stars cost the Beavs that game and was truly boneheaded. It’s simple math…. spot Oregon eight easy points and lose by three.

    Dana Altman would set a hard screen on his mother for two points. Give those kids a few minutes of well deserved recognition after the game.

    Is this part of a new, kinder more sensitive athletic department.

    Maybe Bill Enyart’s wife could push his coffin off tackle for a couple of token rushes in the first football game this year? How about getting Mel Count’s to jump center in the forthcoming NIT game.

    That was a flat out dumb stunt. JB

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Yup.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      “Dana Altman would set a hard screen on his mother for two points”

      Only part of your post that is 100% accurate

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        β€œDana Altman would set a hard post on his mother for two points”

        *fify

  • bigditch says:
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    Great job Tinkle ! Thanks for coming to OSU….

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    ….and bring the life back to Gil.

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    lots of national pub today due to the starters—comments after articles from readers who don’t know anything about OSU are 90% positive. And am fucking pissed as I am about losing the game, there was a lot to be said with that statement.

    Lots more than write, but gotta work.

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    It sucks we lost, but it WAS a statement. Pretty clear people who didn’t like the move will continue to not like it and vice versa. Regardless, one HELL of a year. In fact, I will be getting seasons again this upcomimg year because of it. Go beavs

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    Also one of the best osu crowds I’ve been apart of. By halftime I had a raging headache

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    This season was much more than I could have ever imagined.

    Thanks Tink and congrats on playing the walk-ons. Imo a class move.

  • Victor Robbins says:
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    I can’t believe more people aren’t talking about how things would be different with me playing. You watch the Cavaliers when Lebron don’t play and you’ll see what I mean.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I can’t believe it’s not butter

      More importantly I can’t believe you are still posting here because you haven’t been caught molesting your sister

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    Cool article about Brennan, and his time in purgatory after Riley left and Andersen decided to retain him. I have even more respect for him now. Glad GA didn’t decide to go in another direction.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/03/receivers_coach_brent_brennan.html

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    Also,re Olaf: Earlier in the season there was some mention of him being injured. I’m wondering if perhaps his game went downhill because of some combination of injury, conditioning, mental toughness, etc.

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    I kinda think blaming the loss on the 3 points allowed by the walk-ons is lazy.

    You can say “outsiders” are not mad at the decision because they “don’t know anything about OSU,” but they also don’t have the emotional bias of a fan who is angry we lost, especially to Oregon.

    See the absolute novel written above complaining about Oregon fans. There’s a huge emotional component to sports (especially rivalry games) and it will cloud your ability to think rationally.

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      They were particularly disgusting last night. Either they’re just the stupidest people on earth, or they have no respect for themselves.

      Yeah… I don’t know why I said either.

      I’m glad it was a late school night game. The utterances of those clad in grellow would have had me screaming mean words at them if I had a kid with me. As it was, their vocabularies made this sailor uncomfortable.

    • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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      Try spending 2-1/2 hours with a few duck fans screaming in your ears at 100 decibels and find out how rational of a person you are. I have a teenager. I’d rather deal with him on a constant basis, be kicked in the junk multiple times or be hit in the head with a ball peen hammer half a dozen times than have to listen to that shit. It’s beyond annoying. I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again. Imagine a whiny 3 year old throwing a temper tantrum when they don’t get what they want. Multiply this X 10.

  • Bill says:
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    Starting 5 walkons from Oregon in a Civil War game was a very nice move even if it may have cost them the game. I don’t think it did.There were several times where the Beavs could have put the game away but they are clearly gassed. When the ducks got into transition, the Beavs defense was very shaky.

    A nice week long break to rest up their legs and get ready the conference tourney.

    OSU will likely finish in 7th place. ASU or Cal will at least tie OSU since they play each other this week. Lowest spot they could finish is 8th.
    – Lose tiebreakers to ASU and Cal
    – Win tiebreakers vs WSU, CU

    7th place means a game vs WSU or Colorado if the standings hold. Very winnable game. Play into the #2 team, Utah.

    One win will not get OSU to the NIT, two wins will. Currently sitting on the NIT bubble.

  • angry angry says:
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    Playing 5 walk-ons = Mike Riley move.

    That is what is most disturbing. Nice guys lose games. Giving Oregon points is dumb.

    This is all very easy to understand, and if anyone is being illogical it’s the people justifying it because it felt good for 20 seconds. There are other ways to thank your walk-ons without costing the other players the game. He owes the scholarship players the chance to win just as much as he owes the walk-ons a thank you. All the logic/justification I am reading here is ridiculous and more emotion based. You never give the other team an advantage (and if you do, it’s a gambit, which this was not). Period. It’s very very simple stuff.

    WT pulled a Mike Riley.

    • Jack says:
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      Everyone has a Riley moment every now and then and should get a pass if not duplicated. If it costs us an NIT bid, so be it. I’m not in this for the NIT. And if we get invited to the Sun… er… Vegas… I mean CBI or CIT, then I think we should just pack it in. It was a long season. It was taxing but fun. Let’s just leave it at that.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        Imo the way this team plays on the road I’d rather they didn’t get an invite to anywhere. Let the season play out, pat yourselves on the back for the effort and start getting ready for next year. More time in the weight room Olaf.

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          I’m with you on this

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          Agree. Even if they got a NIT invite, does anyone really think this team would do anything? Likely one-and-done. I think they should take some satisfaction it what they did accomplish this year given that no one expected them to do anything, and reload for next year.

      • cj cj says:
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        We’ll never get a CIT bid, do some research.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        I’ve never had a Riley moment. I did stop to help a guy that lost some papers in the wind last week in downtown Corntucky. But I’ve never said out loud any of the following……….

        gosh
        golly
        gee whiz
        jiminy christmas
        neat deal
        finding identity

        I think that more than makes up for any good deed I’ve ever done

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          Helping someone isn’t the same as a RIley moment. A Riley moment is “wouldn’t this be a neat story” and/or any other populist mindset aimed to appease others or make them like you (rather than do your job the best to your ability, for example). If you want to help someone who needs help that’s human decency, but you don’t have to do it to be a decent human.

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