17.Jan.2016 Oregon State vs Utah

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5:30 on ESPNU

Simply put, they have to make up for the bad loss with a good win. If the Beavs want to make the tourney, they have to starting winning some tough games when the adrenaline just isn’t there like it was for Oregon.

Eubanks seems to have confidence issues now (only 6 points per game in conference play, and his game is getting worse). His body language has changed, so I think it’s a confidence problem. Tinkle and Thompson have to start getting starter minutes. They’re in the mid 20s, but Olaf and Morris-Walker still average more. Less Olaf, more Tinkle. Less Langston, more Thompson.

Go Beavs.

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  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    And the first shall be first!

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    More Tinkle. Sounds like a job for Depends.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      It’s not a going problem, it’s a GROWING problem

  • MonkeyLuven MonkeyLuven says:
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    For those who frequent Reddit, here’s a link to ways Sport Psych is used around the world:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/SportPsychology/

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    It’s a little more than just Olaf and LMW not producing. Coach Tinkle said in the Colorado game they played 6 different guys at the center position. Between the 6 of them, they produced 1 fucking rebound. One. I’d also like to see less Duvivier and more Derrick Bruce. Those 3 veterans are way too streaky

    • Old Crow says:
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      I agree about the streaky vets. Time to increase the mins of younger guys for better or worse. Duvivier always seemed like a 6A highschool football fullback, that somehow went to the wrong tryouts, but Robinson didn’t have anyone better so gave him a jersey. He’s never had any discernible basketball skills, just a good size kid who is decent enough at running the floor.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        he also stated they need to get more out of the veterans and starters. My assumption is he meant everyone not named GP II

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    My kingdom for Eric Moreland on this team
    Going to be a tough game with Utah on bounce back

  • Beavlover69 says:
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    Jakob Poetl is likely going to eat our frontcourt alive. I’m not too worried about Eubanks. The knock on him before the season was that he needs to get bigger and stronger and it’s just now showing up as we consistently play teams with big frontcourts.

  • OSU82 says:
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    This team needs some offensive punch on the starting five. I’d put Tinkle in for LMW and Thompson in for Duvivier at the 2. LMW and Duvivier have had a shot and just haven’t produced on O. At least see how it goes for the first 10 minutes. Leave Olaf at 4 and Eubanks at the 5. I think Eubanks needs to be given a bit of slack just because he’s a freshman, and its a giant leap from bounding over the guys at Troutdale and playing on the front line of D-1. He’s learning, but it will involve some ugly play along the way.

  • cj cj says:
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    Go Beavs!

    Women @ 6:00 on P-12

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Gonna be a tough one tonight.

    • scotty says:
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      Let’s see if they can finally beat an elite program not named North Carolina. Even quack beat furd last year.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Quacks faring about the same the Beavs did against the Buffs. At least makes me hopeful the Beavs have a shot against Utah. But then again Utah beat the Buffs in Boulder. Anyone can beat anyone on a given night. Unless the game is at McKale then your gonna have to try and win playing 5 on 8.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Gomia getting start over Eubanks

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Good start for the Beavs. Up 11-2 at the first TV timeout.

    Duvivier must’ve heard me calling for Bruce to get more PT. He’s made a pair of 3’s

  • angry angry says:
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    It’s probably not going to be this easy all game, so they should mentally prepare to weather a run, and also not get lazy.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Quacks fall in Boulder 91-87

  • angry angry says:
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    That was a nice half. Kind of expected…since the game is vs a good opponent, we get the good Beavs.
    This is a bad trend. Need to play this way vs all teams. CO looks pretty good, though, tbh, but Stanford didn’t.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Larry Kystkowiak can suck a fart out of my ass. Despite the fact the Utes were in the double bonus to end the half, Utah was whistled for only 4 fouls in the same time frame? You’re getting the calls coach. STFU

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Another interesting stat. Beavs had zero turnovers in the first half

    • Dansen Dansen says:
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      No way that or Utah’s cold shooting continues. I’m bracing myself for a rough second half.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        good call if this officiating is allowed to continue

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Is Togiai on the travel squad and if so does WT let him make an appearance?

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Duvivier and Stephen Thompson combined to go 6 of 7 for 15 points. They should play a lot more in the 2nd half.

  • Timber! says:
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    yes! Less Olaf, LMW, Duviv, Go-miss, Shake. More Derrick.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Might want to take Gomis out right now, Tinkle.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      his third foul was pure horseshit. He stood there with his arms straight up and Poetyl or however the fuck you say his name initiated the contact. Utah has been whistled for 5 fucking fouls in 24+ minutes. It’s called homerism at it’s finest.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers have played that Craig Robinson zone defense tonight and gotten very lucky. Loveridge has gotten about 5 wide open threes where just nobody bothered to pay attention to him and missed 4. Him continuing to miss those won’t keep happening

  • OSU82 says:
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    WBB getting hammered by Stanford first half

  • OSU82 says:
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    Don’t like how we hold it up top until 10 left on the shot clock. Generating bad shots…

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Wayne Tinkle going with a Reid-Schaftenaar frontcourt pairing is just begging to get destroyed on the glass and in the paint.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    GPII hacked by Poeltl and no call. This one should have a garbage finish with these refs

  • angry angry says:
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    Gut check time.

  • NCAA or Bust says:
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    Beavs going to lose a game that was over a 90% odds to win had they just been able to in bounds it with a fresh shot clock up 10 with barely over 9 minutes left. Could have taken it down to 8:35 left in the game with a chance to go up 12. Now down to 3 ninety seconds later. Dumb.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Game on the line and Tinkle going with Reid and Schaftenaar in the front court. I’ll be shocked if Utah doesn’t win this game.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    No way that’s a block.

    EDIT: What an utterly boneheaded move by Reid.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      and then he gets fouled, no call, then T’d up. Fuck these refs. They have basically handed this game to Utah. Seriously, why even waste the money and go on the road to play these conference games? Something needs to be done about the state of officiating in this conference. Worst in all of college hoops. It’s all about the name on the front of your jersey and the Beavs get zero respect.

      • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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        Look, no matter how bad the refs are, you don’t do an utterly idiotic play like that against the refs. That moronic behavior is all on Reid.

        • angry angry says:
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          It was awful…like those football thugs who tackle the ref.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          I did not see what Reid did if anything other than get fouled and pushed to the floor. Utah has been whistled for 8 fouls the entire game. You think they’re frustrated???

          I’ll rewind the DVR and watch

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            He stuck his leg out and tripped the ref.

          • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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            Yes, the Beavers are frustrated, but you can’t lose your cool like that, no matter how terrible the refs are. Reid not only helped give away the game, but he also made have destroyed any shot he might have had at an NBA career.

            Wouldn’t surprise me if Reid was suspended for at least three games, and it definitely wouldn’t surprise me if Tinkle cuts him from the team.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I just saw it. Boneheaded play, yes. Did it come at a crucial time, yes the game was 53-52. Did it cost them the game, no.

  • OSU82 says:
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    Well I guess Reid showed the ref there, by golly. Good one.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I can’t believe it.

  • Timber! says:
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    Beavs front court is useless. The downfall of our NCAA tourney hopes.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    No composure

  • angry angry says:
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    Well I don’t think the Beavs will be getting any calls down the stretch.
    Worst loss in several years here.

  • OSU82 says:
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    Refs are going to give this one to Utah.

  • angry angry says:
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    Really odd Thompson isn’t in the game.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Oregon State is running the “GP2 save us” offense. No movement. Just simple pick and roll offense. Beavers stopped running offense about 8 minutes ago. They’re giving this game away

  • NCAA or Bust says:
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    Turn down the CBI again? Thanks Walton for saying the Beavs could win the Pac-12.

    • angry angry says:
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      NIT is possible. NCAA isn’t.

      • NCAA or Bust says:
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        GP2 was matching his dad in almost all categories but the team around him not as composed. Refs have Benin biased during the last 10 minutes but still a major collapse. What a shame. Team gets too little respect but Tinkle did not do a good job the last 8-9. Ugly stuff to finish.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Wayne Tinkle is really getting outcoached tonight. He should receive a lot of blame for this loss. Not having your best 5 on the floor down the stretch is indefensible

    • Timber! says:
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      Tinkle yells at refs too much. He’s done a lot of good for program but X’s and O’s seem to be lacking.

  • OSU82 says:
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    Women going to lose big to Stanford, barring a miracle.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    What stats jump out the most?

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400841633

    • Timber! says:
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      The main one is that Gomis and N’Diaye are on a D1 roster.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        What game did you watch?

        Ft’s attempted: Utah 24, Beavs 10
        Made: Utah 18, Beavs 5
        Fouls: Utah 10, Beavs 23

        Everything else was pretty damn even. Gomis 3rd foul was absolute horseshit. All he did was stand there with his arms straight up and the Utah player initiated the contact. Again, I ask what game did you watch?

        • Timber! says:
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          I didn’t watch the game BUDDY. I can smell stink. I’ve seen them “play”. Is that enough for ya?

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I’ve seen them play too. Many times. As not good as they are, if this game is even remotely called evenly, the Beavs win. Easily. Or do you not watch Pac-12 hoops?

          • Jack Jack says:
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            That’s not nearly enough. But it does explain everything you say. You do better when you’re told what to say until you believe it yourself. Go back to that, and let the grown-ups talk.

        • Timber! says:
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          again…why don’t you explain to me in great detail how these 2 guys are worthy of a D1 scholarship, I’ll be waiting.

    • Dansen Dansen says:
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      I’ll take free throws for $1200, Alex.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    That’s enough for me tonight.

  • angry angry says:
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    Tinkle got schooled. Really awful lineups. No Thompson down the stretch and Olaf shooting some key shots at the end. Don’t want either of those.

  • beav4ever says:
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    Officials decided this game. It was the worst officiated game I have seen ever. These officials should be reprimanded. Tinkle did screw up in 2nd half in who he played. No Thompson is crazy.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    This team has the talent to make the NCAA Tournament but they’ll be lucky to make the NIT. Getting excited about this team only to see them disappoint was inevitable, I guess

    • angry angry says:
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      It’s probably not going to be this easy all game, so they should mentally prepare to weather a run, and also not get lazy.

      Saw this coming a mile away. That was like halfway through the 1st. So obvious the game would not continue that way and Beavs would have to toughen. They didn’t. This is their M.O., apparently…just wilting instead of rising to challenges. Tinkle showing some major coaching warts, especially with the lineups more than the Xs and Os.

      • beav4ever says:
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        A young team getting hosed on the road.

      • cj cj says:
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        The Beavis “slow down” offense when they are ahead helps the other either to make the score close, or win the game.
        You can almost feel it when it starts. Tonight was after about 5 minutes into the second half. That’s when Utah started getting back into it. WS too much time left for the Beavis to hold them off.

        women making a nice run

        • OSU82 says:
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          Idk, the same thing with the Cal game, but they got away with it. Payton holding the ball up top until 10 left on the clock, then trying to get up a shot. With Cal, Payton was getting to the rim and scoring. Tinkle hit that big shot from the baseline as time ran out on the shot clock, etc, etc. Didn’t work with Utah, and the refs didn’t help either. I guess I could understand the strategy with a lead and under 2 to play, but it seems if you’re having success playing a certain way, then keep doing it until the other team stops you. OSU’s offensive flow basically came to a stop.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            To be fair, Utah went to a shell match-up and left Poeltl alone in the middle. He can defend one on one low. But we were much better than their defenders, and we broke down the lane with many players. And many of them got hip checked into the short corner by a Poeltl who shuffled from side to side. It was almost literally a case of moving the goalposts on that call. He’s so big that he doesn’t easily move off his line when he checks a smaller player to the floor. So it looks like he’s playing under control when he’s really not doing so.

            There was a point where it looked like Poeltl just smacked Reid in the throat or chin with an elbow. And he went to the ref to complain about it. So I felt good about it because it was pretty obvious, and refs have to go to the tape when they suspect contact above the shoulders.

            Ref just ignored him. There was zero consideration for safety by that crew. And that is worse than not acceptable.

            edit: And remember Utah did this to CU last week. It was just as brutal a game to watch in the second half. Scott is much better than Poeltl if the game is called cleanly. And BYU players have their own way of dealing with what Utah dishes.

  • Cake says:
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    Jarmal Reid is mentally retarded.

  • angry angry says:
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    Payton is awful at FTs.

    23 fouls vs 10. Okay…

  • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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    Hack job by the refs. Just pathetic.

    Shame on OSU for losing composure down the stretch. They’re good enough to have gotten the win, if they had scored anything in the last five minutes.

    These ESPNU commentators are pissing me off. Talking about how deep Utah dug. Pretty easy to do when you’re playing up three men.

    I don’t think it’s good for a team to blame refs for a loss. You can only control what you can control. But it makes me mad that commentators almost never mention terrible officiating. Not that I want commentators to turn into Mike Parker. (EDIT: I’m not saying commentators should make excuses for a team getting hammered by the refs. But poor officiating deserves comment, IMO. Calling the game as it is, is the job of the commentator. Including the officiating. My complaint is about poor commentary, not about OSU getting undue praise from the commentators.)

    Reid will be lucky not to get suspended for a game. He deserves it if he does.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Stanford and Utah losses both imo by bad officiating.

      • Timber! says:
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        you sound exactly like Tinkle on post game.

        • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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          Spoken with such authority for someone who didn’t watch the game.

          • Timber! says:
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            ha ha, still waiting for a REAL explanation. This game. Any game. Gomis is foul machine nothing more. N’Diaye has all the coordination of Barney. I would never WANT to watch them play. I’ve already seen quite, quite enough.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          maybe because he’s right? Nah, couldn’t be that

          • Timber! says:
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            He’s not really accountable to anyone. Most people seem to think he can do no wrong.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Stanford loss wasn’t on the officials. They played with toughness and took it to OSU. This loss wasn’t really on the refs either. FT difference was big but Utah attacked a lot in the 2nd half. Did they get some breaks? Yeah, but overall, there wasn’t that many bad calls to me. Oregon State held the ball until there was 10 on the shot clock and then forced up a shot. Wasn’t many times where they made Utah actually defend a real offense. A lot of 1 on 1 ball and the refs aren’t gonna bail you out when you’re not going strong to the paint

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Stanford was getting away with pushing off on rebounds the entire game. I’ll blame that game less on officiating but it still had something to do with it. Tonight’s outcome was solely decided by the stripes.

          • GoBeavs90 says:
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            What decided the game was Utah didn’t shit their pants in the 2nd half and ran actual offense. They took it to the rim and got open threes. They killed Oregon State in the 2nd half. Poeltl was always getting the ball deep in the paint and he got fouled a lot. Oregon State turned it over a ton in the 2nd half and on a lot of their drives there weren’t fouls imo. I hate Pac-12 officiating as much as anyone but the difference in free throws didn’t seem like it was that unfair overall.

          • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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            I agree with GoBeavs90 that OSU lost on their own. I hate it when teams start slowing down that early. You need to keep playing like killers and extend the lead. Opponents can always go on a run, especially with their backs to the wall. If you’re up ten with 15′ to play, you’re doing something right and you should stick with it, try to be up 15 with 5′ to play.

            I believe OSU didn’t score in the last five minutes. Even with easy layins. That’s how they lost. If they made two or three baskets, they win a close one.

            I disagree that the officiating was fair. It wasn’t. GP2 getting called for blocking when he was outside the protected zone with his feet set and the Utah guy initiated contact particularly rankled.

        • beav4ever says:
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          Totally disagree, even if you hold the ball until 10 sec. on shot clock it is still a foul when you get hammered going to the basket. I agree that the Beavs offense is stagnant but a foul is a foul.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            yep. when you take the ball to the hoop and there’s no call, then your opponent does the same and gets to the free throw line it is frustrating as a player.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          The Stanford loss wasn’t wholly on the officials. But it was about 70% their game. They’re lucky there wasn’t a fight in that game. That’s because the youngsters were still inexperienced. They don’t know that they shouldn’t be shocked when the refs are calling such an egregious game. They’re good enough to beat these teams easily. But the M.O. against us going forward will be to get in the refs’ heads so they can get in ours.

          They need to learn quickly that if they start letting bad refs in their heads, they will be unhappy playing many Pac 12 games… instead of just pounding the other team like they should.

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    If I’m being honest, I was always thinking this team was bound for the NIT this year, and if they accomplish that, I’ll be fine.

    That being said, the officiating was pretty horrendous, and I really don’t see why Tinkle keeps playing Schaaftenaar. What’s the use of a stretch 4 that doesn’t take a single 3 the entire game?

    Reid will either be suspended like a quarter of the season, will be kicked off the team, or both.

    • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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      Come down from the ledge.

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        I’m not really on the ledge lol, just being realistic. There’s no way the PAC-12 will let Reid off light for that, they just can’t afford it. And honestly, if he’s going to be that boneheaded when the pressure is on, it might be for the better.

  • beav4ever says:
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    Reid should be suspended but so should these officials.

  • scotty says:
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    This is exactly why I’ve never really been into basketball. It is entirely predicated on highly subjective fouls and corrupt officiating. Even more than football.

  • OSU82 says:
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    Gals storming back in the 4th to lead Stanford by 2. Maybe there is some hope for the night….

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Reid, what a stupid bastard.
    Tinkle got schooled.
    Refs were crap.

  • Timber! says:
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    Rueck doesn’t whine about refs.

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      Nice comparison.

      Dear Jarmal,

      I understand you were frustrated. If you’re going to go out like that, kick the ref in the junk next time instead

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    On the plus side, lady Beavs have out scored Stanford 25-8 so far in the 4th. Up 52-46, 1:25 to play.

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    So once again the going got tough and the team looked toward the veterans to rise to the challenge and they instead shit their pants. This to me is why we won’t make the tourney. Loser veterans. Every game these guys play more than their better freshman counterparts is a notch against coach Tink. I like the “You have to earn your stripes” mentality for the program as a whole but when the talent discrepancy is this big, it’s gonna cost you important games

    Also the refs fuckin blew dick

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      It was a little weird. I liked Gomis on the floor. He was absolutely effective against Poeltl. Has anyone heard if he’s okay? He was starting to look like himself finally, and he limped off the court at a crucial time. I don’t think we scored again in the last seven minutes except for the last six seconds.

      And N’diaye was pretty effective. But he’s not nearly as good as Poeltl. When we just weren’t scoring or handling the ball well at the point… why didn’t we load up with scorers and force the pace once again? And where is Bruce? I really enjoy watching an under-rotated back court get tired with the handle near mid-court.

      If we score just 10 points in crunch time, we win this game.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Looks like the women pulled off a miracle.

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      Weisner has a great shot. Huge win for BWB’s. Hunter was money from three point land.

  • Timber! says:
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    hey WSN, a couple of your posts don’t have “reply” button on them. You still crying? Classy name too bud.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      you said you didn’t watch the game. Yet you come here and talk like you did? Glad you like my username. Bud

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        no problem, watching this game must have told you everything you need to know.

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    Biggest frustration is that if we could inbounds the ball at the 9 minute mark this turns into a game where the Beavs make 3 of 4 free throws down the stretch for a reasonably comfortable win. Who inbounded that ball? Was it N’Daiye to Tinkle?

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      Pretty sure it was Jamal as usual on the inbounds play

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    I really cringed when we came out in the second half with the upper classmen. I just don’t like that combo with LMW, Duvier, and Schafty. And hardly any Eubanks in the second half. Reid will be suspended for at least 2 games.

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      *Duvivier (sorry, too many beers, and 19 points in the second half? W T fuck, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that)

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    Also that if we win we are in pretty good NCAA position and possibly starting to get some more respect from the refs. Tonight too NCAA odds from a healthy 45% with a win to about 2% at best.

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    so, I got back from dinner, logged on here to see what was going on in the men’s game, figured that out so went over the pac 12 net to watch the women. I swear that once I logged in, with around 7 minutes left in the game, Stanford never scored until a gimme in the last half minute. Crowd was really into it. Fun. Love it when those big streaks end.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    So what should happen to Reid?
    1. Kick him off the team
    2. Suspend him for the Regular season
    3. Suspend him for one game
    4. The ejection and ultimate meltdown was enough
    5. Congratulate him on great right leg, ref got what he deserved. He starts next game.

    • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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      Suspend him for 1–3 games. I’m skeptical that he did it on purpose, but then again I’ve never played Pac-12 basketball so I don’t know what that kind of intensity is like.

      Deliberate or not, he did it and you get sanctioned for the fouls that you commit, not the ones you meant to commit. He has to do better.

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        Reid’s trip was obviously deliberate to anyone who watched it. Total thug-move and an embarrassment to himself and the team.

    • NCAA or Bust says:
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      One game at most. Fine with a half also. Refs were making it very frustrating to watch. Playing in it had to be super frustrating for the players. Not an excuse but that ref got some karma back at him. Team just needs to figure out how to win and play their game.

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      1 and 2 are the same. If I’m angry enough at him to suspend for the regular season. He’s not seeing even any garbage time when he’s not suspended in any tourneys.

      4 and 5 are jokes. So how many games is the question.

      I’ve honestly never seen anyone kick a ref in hoops. I don’t know how I should react. I was just stunned. I know you don’t do it, and you need to sit for at least three games. I know there are a whole bunch of people who believe in second chances. If this is his, then I guess three games would be fair. If it’s number three or four on the “out of control violence” front, that number goes up. I would mandate counseling no matter the length of any suspension.

      You just don’t do that in sports.

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    Big comeback for the ladies, especially with Ionescu in the building. Hopefully this win and an already strong class bode well on that front.

  • Houston Beavs says:
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    Look i dont wanna say nuttin bout nobody but dez Beavs gettin straight boat raced yall!!1!

    WE AINt goNNA get No CRUITS by slack jawin damn

    DIS PLAY AINT GONE WORK YALL> IT AINT FIRE

    Dats WHUT all YALL GET DO FOR COACheing recruits

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Pac-12 refs are making watching Pac-12 basketball unwatchable.

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      I couldn’t agree with you more. I actually don’t care that much about the Reid situation, he’s a marginal senior that really shouldn’t be seeing much court time. I don’t think he ever got into. basketball shape. Do whatever needs to be done and move on. It may have been on purpose, I don’t give a fuck, the P-12 refs should all be tripped, tied up and sent to ref YMCA games.

      WT has got to quit going conservative with the lead. If he’s not going to run an offense to spring open three point shooters than I guess they accept the CBI bid, although they might not get one because I don’t think WT is in bed with the Gazelle Group. Fucking disaster of a game and not just the officiating.

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        Do you think Reid gets so frustrated he completely loses it like that if the game is even marginally called even? I’m not absolving Jarmal. Idiotic thing to do. But as I stated in a post below the Pac needs to get its shit together when it comes to officiating.

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          Reid had been building up to that. He had a couple of marginal calls against him prior, and then got hammered after the steal. He wouldn’t has been in the game if GOMis had not been injured.

          Read is my least favorite player as I’ve mentioned on previous game days once he receives the ball, the options are limited to a bad shot, turnover and will not return the ball to anyone

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    So anybody got a link to the Reid leg sweep? I didn’t see the game, was it on the floor or did he do it off the bench?

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Couple of angles here

      https://twitter.com/120Sports/status/688955567067430912

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Oh for Christ’s sakes. What a dumb ass. I understand his frustration, but that was stupid.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          I am not going to give him a pass on it. I missed Reid going Cobra Kai and sweeping the leg in live action because I was completely irritated over the fact he was fouled on the rebound and then fouled again when pushed down. A few plays earlier the Utah center (not even gonna try and type his last name) knocked him down below the basket and Reid was called for a blocking foul for just standing in his way. I completely understand his frustration. Josh Scott was called for all of 2 fouls Wednesday night. Hell he only got called for one foul tonight against the ducks. Then you have the complete homer jobs tonight in Boulder and SLC. It’s brewing. If the Pac does not get its shit together when it comes to officiating I can see more of this happening. If it’s a foul, fucking call it.

  • thatguy says:
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    That Reid trip was so idiotic and he deserves 3 games for that, 2 preferred. I know the refs were being terrible, I know. I understand that you weren’t getting anything to go your way. But you CAN NOT take out your anger on an official. It reflects so poorly on the program, the school, the coach…I’m upset about it. It could be construed as assault, although that is somewhat extreme.

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    Oh, and I had to watch the men’s meltdown on ESPN3 while I was at the women’s game. What a 4th quarter comeback by the women. I was ready to fold up hope on our women, just because in games that mattered, they had come up short every single time (Tennessee should have been a win, Notre Dame could’ve been a win, UCLA was a bad loss).

    But finally, with a veteran team and great depth, they answered when a team that could match up with them. They won when it mattered, executed when it mattered, got good looks and drained them. My friend asked me if I would take Lili Thompson on Stanford or Jamie Weisner, and although Thompson has court vision, speed, and creation abilities, Jamie has a fire to her and it came out at the end. Huge game from Deven too. I’m elated for this win because it was huge for our program; a statement win over the conference big dog for the last 15-20 years, came in a comeback when the ladies only managed 21 points in the first half, and now they can say that they belong.

  • OSAlum94 OSAlum94 says:
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    Reid should be suspended for at least a couple games. If he gets kicked off the team, it would not be too extreme. That just makes the school look bad. Are we going to get any calls the rest of the year? I think not. It’s not about the calls though, Reid crossed the line. I’ve never seen anything like that in basketball.

  • Beavlover69 says:
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    Reid should be kicked off the team. While we’re at it I have sources that say Olaf, LMW and Duvivier all came up with the idea and told Reid to do it. So they should be gone too

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      That is possibly the most credible thing you’ve ever said.

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    Three is a trend, it’s the third time they have played decently for 20-30 minutes on the road and then got rolled when the going got tough. Seasons go by fast, WT needs to figure out something quickly or this is going to be a season of underachievement and a waste of GP2’s senior season.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    CNN front page this morning, under “News and buzz”, includes link “Player ejected for tripping referee” that points here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2608746-oregon-states-jarmal-reid-ejected-for-tripping-ref-vs-utah Seems highly likely that there will be further discipline here.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Great pub…….not. Tinkle needs to do something before the PAC acts. What a stupid ass!

  • ean says:
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    I didn’t watch the game but it seemed like a good no call on the Reid play. There was minimal contact and they were both going for the ball. Players shouldn’t be complaining about calls. If the calls really were that bad it is on Coach to go ballistic and get ejected, even Pops occasionally gets a well timed ejection.

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      If it’s a tie ball, the ref needs to call it immediately so no further effort and contact is made by either player because it can escalate quickly. If it’s not a tie ball, and there is contact which takes someone to the ground, it is either a foul or a ref who is “teaching someone a lesson” outside the rules of the game.

      I’ve seen the glare he gave the ref get T’d up many times before. It looked like the ref was going to let that go too.

      The worst part was that Utah was getting gassed from their last run, and we were starting to get a second wind. Then Reid provided a very long time-out for them to get their legs. It was over at that point because of that, and I honestly didn’t expect us to get another call.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    In the video, it looks like Payton II runs over and tells Reid, “Trip this mutherf*#$er” right before it happened. At least that’s what I imagined him saying.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Here is Doug Gottlieb posting the fouls on Reid right before, some interesting replies as well. Again, the lack of composure is disappointing but it had been brewing up during the course of the game.
    https://twitter.com/GottliebShow/status/688938417753841664

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      I would like to see Tinkle suspend Reid and then file a complainant with the Pac12 in regards to the officiating.

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    I can’t remember a year where each conference team is so evenly matched. Going to need a lot of breaks to go our way, and even then we may not be in the mix in March.

    The Jarmal move was a total lack of class, heat of the moment, bad judgement display. I honestly won’t be upset if we never see him in uniform again. He’s a kid and you don’t want to give up on any player, but that was inexcusable and embarrassing.

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      I understand and agree with you. I hope that Tinks and the university do something before the PAC-12.

      This could affect how many calls go OSUs way the rest of the season. It depends on how this group of officials is viewed by its peers. We can not afford any close games because the calls might not go our way!!!

      That officiating crew has never been pro OSU. It would be nice to be able and go back and look at the total fouls for and against OSU, called by a crew. I know this game OSU over 24 fouls while Utah only had 10.

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    Interesting that the Nunez Jr. was fired by the NBA and the person in charge of reviewing his performance as a P12 official is his father.

  • helmsley says:
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    Are Gina and Lindsay the only two women journalists that interview post-OSU games? If so- since the cameras don’t pan to the questioner – believe Lindsay asked this of Scott Rueck – http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=210645293 at about 3:04. I usually find post-game pressers predictable, but I thought this was a good exchange.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Way OT…

    This is possibly the most fascinating thing in sports to come down the pike in some time.
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/35319202

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      Sports betting’s for suckers and the mob. Just ask Rick Neuheisel

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        If you read the article, you’ll note that the coordinated efforts shown by the documents that were leaked are coming from places like Russia and Sicily. So I don’t think it’s mob related.

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      When and where there’s lots of money to be made, it seems that people with low integrity and high greed typically follow. What’s more interesting to me is that despite the multiple examples of decreasing integrity in sports – NCAA football “championships” and supporting processes, baseball PED use (imagine how high that is in NBA?), Lance Armstrong scandal, soccer scandal, and this example – people keep watching. It seems that unless fan bases demand integrity by their actions, this all will just continue. Bread and circuses….

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        You have a mixed bag there. If we the people wanted regulation in the NCAA, we would give the NCAA full regulatory power. Instead, the overwhelming narrative fed to us by monied interests is that the NCAA is evil. In reality, it’s just toothless like we want it to be. In the case of FIFA, the regulatory body itself is just corrupt.

        In this case, I don’t think the story is quite what it should be. It explains that ATP is segmented in its regulatory responsibilities and suggests there is someone within that body who might be covering something up. I tend to believe the easiest answer is that some players were fixing, but the ATP couldn’t prove anything. And opening yourself up to libel or a defamation suit is not a good legal process.

        If it blossoms into a story where there is someone in the ATP who is covering it up, I think that means that someone would be complicit. Because the only way I can see a reason to cover it up is if that someone is compensated. I think the real story is the revelation that there are many players who are or were fixing. And now that the Aussie has begun, it’s interesting to look at who might be distracted by it.

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    Also OT…

    Watching PIT@DEN, was anyone else reminded of the 2012 CW ST play?

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      That was the game that turned me against the Riley regime. Complete collapse when it matters…again

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Which one was that? The disasters all run together.

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          Wheaton “fielding” multiple punts when it’s obvious after the first he shouldn’t have been out there in the first place.

  • BeavMike says:
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    Ducks lose another commit, Eddie McDoom, 4 star receiver. Can’t remember them losing this many recruits. Are they losing their mojo?

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Rumor (or spin) is they pulled his offer because he wanted to visit Michigan

      • BeavMike says:
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        Yep, Ducks have a policy that if a commit looks elsewhere, their offer is rescinded.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          They’re not good enough to have that policy, if anyone is. It smacks of low self esteem.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Or irrational self esteem.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            No, just low.

            If you don’t have confidence that what you are selling is better than anything else out there, then I’m not buying. If you respond by taking your ball and going home, then you’re just pouting.

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          That is an awesome last name for a football playa’.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    And how’s this for juxtaposition?
    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

    While the Reid video and discussion are linked on the same page…

    We’re the #12 play-in with Seton Hall. I think that’s a fair assessment since I’ve been watching them have a similar season to ours. I didn’t expect us to win either game this weekend as of last week. I saw the Ducks roll, and I got some hope. I saw us playing our game and ignoring everything bad going on around them… and I got a little more hope. Then the weirdest meltdown I’ve ever seen happened. And, in the end, they’re where I thought they’d be in the end anyway.

    If they and the NCAA/Pac request/recommend two games, Tinks needs to come out and say, “No, three games.” And there needs to be counseling well beyond any suspension.

    Now we’re back in the sports psychologist discussion.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Too bad Reid’s stupidity has shifted attention away from the big time win against Tree by the ladies.
    That was one hell of a comeback. Angry’s girlfriend played very well and the experience McWilliams is getting should help the team come tournament time. Go Beav’s!

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      It lost the game for us too. That whole possession was a key one. We couldn’t let them score, and they were getting every call. I was surprised Reid wasn’t called for the clean block he got on Poeltl to set up the boneheadedness. After all, Poeltl put his giant shoulder in his chest and moved him a good four feet under the rim. That Reid got back to the ball before Poultl was a great play.

      If he just shuts up and plays, we probably win. If you endure that kind of battle possession and win, why do you then lose on purpose?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Tinkles “prevent offense” helped put us in that situation. Refs were brutal.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I don’t disagree. He should have let them run and not let Poeltl get a chance to beat them. They were getting hammered by others with no calls as well. But at least they were still able to remain upright after contact.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    The beaVs beat Stanford last night and only move up one place in the polls? And Standford only drops one spot, essentially trading places with us

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Four games, minimum. I think that’s a good number.
    http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=750195&SPID=127160&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=210645556

    I also like the apology. It sounds sincere and straightforward.

    I know three would have been a good number. But the fourth would have been the second leg of the Zony trip. So you might as well make it four. But did any of the people making the decision bother to look at what game would be his comeback?

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      Just now checking in for today, had to look up that comeback game opponent, thanks for mentioning it, Jack.
      Agree as well on the apology.

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    Another CR player makes another bonehead decision and gets suspended. Thanks Craig! Good to see your loser influence is still lurking in the program…

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      Thank you for including a reference to me in your insightful post game analysis. It’s nice to be remembered.

      On another note. Due to the hiring of Brady Hoke In and Out has announced the opening of a new store in Eugene.

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      Yeah… that makes sense.

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    Beavs get a new Defensive End commit from Florida, Kenny Turner. Potential sleeper-no major schools gave him an offer. Gotta hope this is one of those overlooked gems.

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      This dude is a beast… for being so raw he looks pretty dominant. He uses his length and athleticism to really get in the QBs face and cause disruption.

      These “no star” recruits look way better than 2 and 3* low ceiling guys the beavs took in the past.

      http://www.hudl.com/athlete/6085283/highlights/280665388/v2

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        He only played his senior year but apparently showed quite a bit of promise. If He has the skills, coaching will take care of his lack of experience.

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        he looks athletic but that video is just him coming off unblocked every time.

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          That’s because he’s the unblocked end in the spread option. If that’s raw, then he’s very very coachable and athletic enough to do everything he’s told.

          It’s impressive because he’s staying home in a great defensive position while reading the mesh. Then he has athleticism enough to move laterally and turn his hips very quickly. And then the long arms help.

          edit: And now I see he’s a hoopster, which explains his footwork and quickness on ball reads.

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      How very Riley of us!

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        He sounds like a great project – um, player. Signing him would be a neat deal

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    Anybody else see how poorly Markus Wheaton played for the Steelers on Sunday? A few cringe-worthy moments.

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    Who are the recruiting gurus? With Jarmal getting so much attention, it occured to me that the Beavs are going to need a banger with actual talent to play a power forward type position in the next couple of years.. Any possibilities in the pipeline?

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      Kone.

      He is upright and efficient in his style. And he is extending (and making with more frequency) his mid-range game. He is of the Buck Williams mold. I don’t see anyone starting in front of him next year unless Tinks makes him sixth man and runs Tres and Drew out to start all games at 4 and 5 with Dew in the mix at 3.

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    If the Reid thing didn’t happen, I would have talked about one of my biggest pet peeves in hoops. They’ve kinda corrected the no-step, blind pick. But that’s needs further clarification since it seems a lot of refs are calling the contact on the roll or concentrating only on the moving screens.

    But the other is that Utah’s back court would get the ball into the front court and pass to each other. And the recipient of almost every single pass took a full step forward (left foot-right foot). Is there no such thing as traveling anymore? It was ridiculous.

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      Watch Thompson jr. He does it too.

      I was amazed he wasn’t called, but the refs were calling so much on us they probably got tired.

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        He does it every once in a while. But the D has to be on him so quickly no matter where he is that he usually doesn’t have the space for it. And I’m not talking about running to the front court and stopping the run with that step (or any kind of running stop). I’d rather see a jump stop on those because the refs always lose track of the pivot on that move. They would pass it back and forth three or four times while just standing there and make that step on every play.

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          I swear on two passes in a row last night he took 3 steps after receiving the ball, then did it again a few minutes later.

          Maybe I don’t know the rule well enough…

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            I don’t recall. Context would help. But I wouldn’t doubt it since he looked off with his handle. He must have bounced it off his knee three times.

            And as I watch that and GP2 do it once and then watch Harper weave through transition to get the ball up quickly… I was wondering why Bruce wasn’t in there doing the same for us… and getting the same meager stat line Harper got in half the time.

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            I agree that Bruce should play…almost said “play more” but you have to be playing to say that. I think he takes care of the ball better than Thompson jr.

    • Boba says:
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      Why doesn’t the “Reid thing” bother me that much? I get that he crossed an uncrossable line and he’s paying a price, but his action was kind of like someone toying with an annoying putz. We’ve all been tripped on the playground and survived just fine. He kind of half-heartedly stuck his leg out there. For crossing the line, it was fairly genteel. I hate all of the fake outrage from the journalists today. Kid made a mistake, he didn’t sucker punch anyone, Serve your time, move on.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Off topic. We lost another one. RIP Glenn Frey

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      Sad news, unfortunately it’s going to keep happening over and over. Rock and Roll is what about 60 years old, so the stars of the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s are going to keep aging out, some did not take the best care of themselves either.

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    Normally I wouldn’t link a Canzano article as usually they’re only good for lining the bird cage or cat shit gravel box. But some of the comments have some merit on Tommy Nunez Jr. If I am Oregon St I would put in a request to the Pac-12 office that he kindly refrain from refereeing any future OSU mens hoops games. Referees are supposed to be impartial and unbiased. I think many of you remember the OSU football game in 2007 against UW at Reser and the fallout with Verle Sorgen…………..

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2016/01/canzano_tripping_a_referee_is.html#incart_2box

    • Boba says:
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      I just read a few of the comments. I like the one comparing Jarmal to Rasheed Wallace, I guess I didn’t realize Nunez was fired by the NBA, does anyone know why?

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        Tommy Nunez Jr., who refereed more than 200 NBA games, was fired by the league that, in recent weeks, has focused on its officiating to make it a cleaner game.

        Since Mike Bantom took over as head of officials last month, the league has instituted a no flopping rule and it is evaluating its referees with a critical eye — and apparently eliminating those who do not grade out.

        Gee, I’m shocked. Shocked i tell you! A better question is why was this guy hired (or contracted) to referee Pac-12 games??? It’s well past time for the Pac-12 to clean house

        http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/10/08/nba-fires-referee-tommy-nunez-jr-flopping-remains-an-issue/

        If it matters, this article was posted back in August. Because I have yet to see any changes. In fact it might even be worse this season. I have some questions for Bobby Dibler

        http://pac-12.com/article/2015/08/04/western-conferences-expand-mens-basketball-officiating-alliance

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        Jason, was that your avatar on there where you agreed that he took a flop?

        You need to watch that play again. Poeltl clearly puts his shoulder and rolls his head into Reid’s right thigh when it was under him for support. But he is such a massive person that he’s rarely going to look like the pinball and out of control… except he is completely out of control and a threat to the safety of all around him and allowed to be so continually.

        That play, if on the football field, would have been credited as a tackle.

        I believe if Reid would have been poised he was due a make-up for that play alone. He wasn’t getting any from anyone on previous possessions. But Nunez the Legacy is the kind of ref who whistles mystery make-up calls. Instead, he goes from aggrieved victim to dastardly villain.

        edit: That’s a terribly written piece by the way. It went from self-aggrandizing to mushy to self-righteous then meandered somewhere between the latter two before kind of finishing in mushy. Reid touched the third rail of sports. You don’t ever touch the refs. I dislike it when players just put a calm hand on one’s shoulder or pats him on the back. It swings both ways when you touch a ref.

        That didn’t come out right.

        Thankful he didn’t throw a punch? Are you fucking serious? I saw the final clip on a sports show where they compared two incidents. One was a college hockey fight, which is rare because they take safety seriously, where the ref had intervened and was between two players, holding one of them down. And the guy on top took advantage of this opportunity so he could rise over the ref and just clock the guy on the bottom.

        And then they pooh-poohed Reid for tripping Nunez on the sly. I’m sorry. Punching someone, anyone in sports is the most abhorrent thing you can do… unless the sport is a martial art. But Reid touched the third rail.

        edit2: That is not Jason’s avatar. Bad memory.

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          I think that some of the comments reflecting on the officiating post-trip were revealing: that there was a feeling of retribution from the refs (the clear out-of-bounds on the Tinkle miss… crikey one needs to make that shot though). I wonder if it bleeds into upcoming games.

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            There was really nothing different in their calls. People just started paying attention.

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            Right, Jack. Their calls have been shit all season!

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      The Reid thing makes sense. Given some of the calls, I knew the refs be trippin’

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    John Bates flips to Boise State.

    We had only offered him a greyshirt spot, which makes you wonder how many more of our offers are the same. I’d guess Emony Robinson could be one.

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      You’re probably right on Robinson but i think he will stick. No other known offers.

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        Wasn’t this the kid the locals were excited about because he was tall, fast, and seemed to be a great developmental prospect?

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    So we lose a 5.5 3* recruit in Bates, but no worries, Rivals updated one of our unranked commits, Landry Payne to a 5.5 3* rating. Beaverbump in full effect.

    Thought Payne missed most of the season due to injury, so not sure what they saw between last year and this year that caused him to go from unrated to 3*? oh yeah…….

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Wasn’t he also a JC all american still?

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        His brother was the AA

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        So was Landry according to scout. Looks like he got injured in the 9th game of the season and had accumulated 54 Tackles, 5 Ints and a Fumble up to that point..

        247 Has Phillip Napolean as the 27th best Juco Prospect in the country rated an 89 which almost a 4*.

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      Got any fearless predictions? Who are the ones we’re hearing the most about that you think we might land?

      Frederick Mauigoa
      Kaelin Himphill
      Maxs Tupai

      Seems like:
      Hirkley Latu will be in
      Sione Finau will be out to BYU

      Anyone else you’re feeling good about?

  • Bill says:
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    Well I didn’t see any of the Utah game and finally heard about Reid yesterday.

    Watched the replay. Definitely intentional. Real dumb move since it was a tie game at that point. Can’t lose your head like that. Reid embarrassed himself, the team and the fans. The 4 game suspension sounds right but I doubt he’ll be seeing much playing time after that anyways. It’s hard to see that his teammate will want him to keep playing when he committed a self inflicted wound at a critical time in the game. Hard to keep the trust of the team when you do something that dumb.

    My advice to Reid, take the punishment and more. It’s going to take some time to rebuild the trust between you and your teammates.

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    So how bad and biased does reffing have to be to be “over the line”?

    Too bad Reid’s bonehead (yet ALMOST deserved) move took all the attention away from that

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      My advice, and it seems that you’re asking for it: stop complaining about officials. What good will that do? Their calls were not “because they wanted us to lose.”

      So, get over it.

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        So…. It’s not bias, just unidirectional incompetence? That’s a bit hard to believe.

        It is the refs’ job to officiate a fair game, not be swayed by or placate the home crowd.

        Had the team lost by 20+, sure, hard to blame the refs for that. But a close game when the rules each team gets to play by are different? If that can’t be blamed on the officials, what can? Don’t tell me they don’t affect game outcomes.

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          Ref’s should be unbiased. If they miss calls, it should be from both sides of the ball. I find it hard to believe that the home team always fouls less, which seems to be the case. Did Utah play a cleaner game? Are we too aggressive defensively? Will the aggressive team offensively usually get the calls? I would like to have someone go through the game, play by play, and do an impartial analysis to determine the amount of fouls that were missed by the ref’s and if there is a legitimate beef, then so-be-it. The other complicating factor is that they called the second half differently (apparently) then the first half. And, what about those times when they “let them play” verses times when they have to “take control”. It’s too complicated to make generalizations and say a foul is a foul, or is it. A foul is a foul, so call the foul. Be consistent at least. It was pretty obvious at the end of the game after the incident that we were not getting any more calls, and perhaps that is the most agregious part of the officiating- the retaliation, or no calls at the end of the game.

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            There is this from “Sonomabeav” over on the big O, Just passing it along without fact checking, but I do believe his figures match what I heard on the electric radio:

            “Utah shot 21 Three point attempts out of 43 shots. Yet the Beavers were called for 24 fouls.

            Oregon State shot 8 Three point attempts on 50 shots, and Utah was only called for 10 fouls – two of those at the very end of the game in order to burn clock. Beavs were at the rim all game long and shot 10 free throws.

            The Reid incident takes away any of the focus on how poorly this game was officiated.”

            BTW I certainly agree with his final sentence.

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            “The Reid incident takes away any of the focus on how poorly this game was officiated”

            See that’s the thing. it shouldn’t. Again I am not defending Jarmal. He was 100% in the wrong. But you could tell his frustration was building. If the game isn’t that poorly officiated, that event doesn’t happen. Or if Coach Tinkle realizes Reid is frustrated and subs him out. The tripping incident is solely on Reid. Nunez Jr has no business being a referee. There’s a reason he was fired by the NBA.

            Go listen to Bill Burr’s diatribe on domestic violence. Everyone always focuses on the said act but doesn’t analyze what led up to the event. Not every ass kicking just falls out of the fucking sky. BTW I’m not defending woman beaters either.

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            Agreed, it shouldn’t.
            However, it looks to me like it has.

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            OK Oneoldbeav, so what the analysis is saying is that when you discount three point shots, Utah received 24 calls on 22 shots while Oregon State got 8 calls on 42 non-three point shots. And, that’s the disparity. I guess OSU just hacks a lot more…. ?!?

            What I’d like someone to do is go through the replays and count the non-fouls, bad calls etc. to see how well it was called. There appears to be a disparity, just by the sheer numbers, but that does not prove anything. What you really have to do is analyze a number of games to rate the ref’s, which was done prior to Nunez getting fired from the NBA.

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            That shot-foul disparity is interesting but you have to remember that a foul called in a missed shot doesn’t get recorded in the attempt-make category. Otherwise a team with 20+fts would have a seriously low outlier on their fg%. Not that I don’t agree that refs can be very onesided, just some context for that foul count relative to fgs near the rim.

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            Yeah, just like people forget to count team rebounds.

            The numbers to look for would be the fouls on the floor where they simply retained possession or received bonus shots.

            And we know that one foul had nothing to do with their offense, so we can safely change the 24 to 23.

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        There are three teams on the floor and they all have to be at their best level of performance for a competitive game. A culling process keeps the lesser coaches and players out of the game. For two teams it is purely a performance-based level of play that allows them to be on the court. The trouble is that the third team on the floor is not necessarily on the court because they are the best players.

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    It’s the worst thing about basketball, and the main reason people give for not liking to watch basketball. The refs have too much control over the outcome of a game. Refs are allowed to be subjective and biased, in fact it is expected. You hear it all the time from commentators. They talk about rookie players who aren’t going to get a certain call because they haven’t gained the respect like more veteran players. The fact that the Beavers got even less calls after Reid’s indiscretion is a blatant example of refs being allowed to officiate a game based on their emotions. Making a mistake is an acceptable part of any game, but intentionally not making a call or making a bad call undermines the complete intention of competitive sports. May the best team win? Yeah, right.

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      100% spot on. It’s tough to win at some venues when you’re consistently playing 5 on 8. See McKale

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    off topic but Pac-12 hoops related…………

    California senior point guard Tyrone Wallace will miss four to six weeks with a broken bone in his right hand.

    A school spokesman told ESPN that Wallace suffered the injury Saturday in practice.

    The 6-foot-5 Wallace leads the team in scoring (15.4) and assists (4.6) and is averaging 5.1 rebounds per game. He will be replaced in the starting lineup by reserve Sam Singer, who is averaging 4.1 points and 2.0 assists in 19 minutes per game this season.

    The Bears had high expectations entering the season, with a returning group that included Wallace, Jordan Mathews and Jabari Bird and added two of the top 10 recruits in Jaylen Brown and Ivan Rabb.

    However, Cuonzo Martin’s team has struggled and is 12-6 overall and 2-3 in Pac-12 play. The Bears are in a four-way tie for seventh in the league and will face Arizona State on Thursday in Berkeley.

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14604564/california-golden-bears-point-guard-tyrone-wallace-4-6-weeks-broken-right-hand

    That’s a big loss for the Golden Bears

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      Yeah, that sucks… especially in his senior year. I thought Martin would throw Rooks out there this year as rim protector and let all the other pieces run. They’re great in the half court, But they could fly if they were set up right.

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    So are there any surprise commits coming our way, or are the Beav’s in the hold off the poachers mode?

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    The Reid tripping incident gave me a sick feeling and until now I haven’t visited this website since then.

    It gave me a sick feeling because imo this will be in the back of the minds of the refs and the Pac-12 officials for who knows how long, probably years. When a call could go either way this incident might have an effect on the decision making process.

    I just jumped to the bottom of this thread so I’m unaware of what punishment has been meted out but find myself wondering how much of the blame lays at the feet of WT.

    In great part the team reflects the coach’s attitude and composure so was Reid’s action in a way encouraged by WT’s behavior?

    I haven’t sat behind the OSU bench during a game so I don’t know how much WT complains to the officials during a game but I have heard Mike Parker mention that WT was yelling at the official(s) about a call or a lack of a call. If WT is getting on the officials a lot during a game that has to influence the attitude of the players. He might be justified in being upset but how much steam does he let off and when’s the proper time to do it?

    IF he does complain a lot (too much perhaps? or too strongly?) maybe he’s already on the officials shit list and that might explain why the calls weren’t the same for both teams.

    I saw at least on occasion where Reid was yapping at an official about a call that was made and it looked to me like he wasn’t doing himself a lot of good and more than likely pissing the official off. It seems to me like it’s WT’s job to tell the kid STFU and play basketball.

    Perhaps this incident is proof that OSU needs to pop for a sports psychologist and their first job would be to evaluate WT and his team regarding how productive or unproductive their behavior on the court is.

    Now every time there’s a call against the Beavs I’ll find myself wondering it’s a result of the Reid incident.

    I apologize if I’m bringing up things that have already been discussed (beaten to death) in earlier posts.

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      Whoa Dude, step off the ledge.

      It was a very stupid mistake. Reid was suspended by Tinkle for a min of 4 games, and his attitude over the course of the next 2 weeks will determine if he will be suspended longer. Seems appropriate. He didn’t cold cock the guy.

      Being small market, little old OSU we basically always have to play against the stripes anyways, in almost all sports. I doubt this Reid debacle will get us less calls, as we already have the worst refereeing.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      … was Reid’s action in a way encouraged by WT’s behavior?

      No. Every coach yells at refs. Nunez was beating Reid with a proxy. Poeltl will not do this at the next level. If he tries that shit in the NBA, the men who play against him will not let it get to a point where it’s the ref’s fault.

      I saw at least on occasion where Reid was yapping at an official about a call that was made and it looked to me like he wasn’t doing himself a lot of good and more than likely pissing the official off.

      That was when Poeltl elbowed Reid in the face. Poeltl was just out of control for most of the game. Reid was informing the ref that a head shot was taken. Nunez should have stopped the game and gone to the replay. He did not do that.

      It would be unprofessional of any refs to let this color their calls in the future. So yes, about half the Pac refs will likely keep it in mind.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        “,,,No. Every coach yells at refs. Nunez was beating Reid with a proxy. Poeltl will not do this at the next level. If he tries that shit in the NBA, the men who play against him will not let it get to a point where it’s the ref’s fault.,,,”

        For the sake of discussion – as my wife keeps telling me [it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it] so I’m wondering how dignified WT is when he’s arguing his case. Which leads to the following

        “…That was when Poeltl elbowed Reid in the face. Poeltl was just out of control for most of the game. Reid was informing the ref that a head shot was taken. Nunez should have stopped the game and gone to the replay. He did not do that…”

        Lots of variables here and I don’t know if the time I’m thinking of is when Reid got elbowed in the face but it very well might have been considering how upset Reid was. In the instance I’m thinking of, to me Reid had a look on his face that was challenging and threatening to the ref that he was jawing at and I’d be willing to bet he didn’t use the word sir once.

        I don’t think he said hey MF’er why didn’t you call that? but that’s the facial expression I saw on his face.

        On the other hand I don’t think he said, sir can you check my face to see if I’m bleeding from that elbow shot he gave me to the face?

        Should Tinkle insist that his players call the refs sir when they address them?

        • Jack Jack says:
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          If a ref doesn’t like how someone speaks to them, they should tell that person to stop then T them up if it contniues. Being a ref does not come before being an adult… especially when they’re the ones who are supposed to be the adults on the floor. If they can’t be professional, then what does that say to you other than, “They can’t be professional”?

          Reid didn’t get a T for the glare, something I’ve seen many times because some words had been exchanged before. And his hands were up in his pleading mode. He looked nothing like a menace at any point in that instance. And his “whaaaa???” face is nothing to be feared. So I don’t remember anything of which you speak other than the Great Ref Trippin’ of 2016.

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            I don’t have replay to look at so I’m just going from memory which isn’t saying much. So I very well could be remembering it wrong.

            Should WT insist that his players call the refs sir when talking to them? I’m thinking that might be good all around, if you know what I mean.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          “as my wife keeps telling me [it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it] ”
          I get that a lot too, common trait among wives.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Also in non-Nunez related bad officiating: Colorado’s Bigs got away with everything too. For how aggressive they were being, theres no way only 5 fouls should have been split between them.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        The CU bigs were moving people with their legs. There was one over the back that should have been called. But moving people off their base with your base is completely fine. That’s the way it should be played. Safety doesn’t become an issue.

        Poeltl was upright on D, but he shuffled from side to side, never establishing position. And then he would get a no-call for dropping someone to the floor. And on offense he was all elbows and shoulders. He was just out of control.

        Stanford was just grabbing and pulling and pushing… and whining about us not letting them do so more efficiently.

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