29.Dec.2011 Basketball: Oregon State @ Washington

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This should be a great game. Both teams like to run and have the athletes to do it. Both teams have some size, too. Washington gets healthier, with Aziz N’Diaye coming back tonight. He's a decent big, and I'm curious to see how the Beavs can (or can't) handle him. My guess is Eric Moreland will see plenty of minutes tonight and blanket N’Diaye, with Joe Burton's mass moving over for help inside when necessary.

In the past, it went without saying that Washington was more talented. This year, it's a tougher call. If the Beavers can play fast, drive the lane, and make kick-out threes, then they'll be in this game. Jared Cunningham has become a leader off the court, and we're seeing that parlay into extraordinary team chemistry on it. Washington has more obvious NBA talent. So, does talent trump chemistry or visa versa?

Tough call.

Washington is going to be pumped for a home conference opener. Beavs will get their best effort, which is unfortunate in the sense that we all like easy wins, but it's a great gauge as to how good this vintage truly is. And everyone's curious to find that out, right? Was the non-con a charade, or are they legit? Personal opinion: they will play with everyone in the conference and be in every game. Whether they win or not…

And that's exactly how I feel about this matchup. Should be a one or two possession game. In close games, you should take the home team, but I love the Beavs confidence and chemistry heading into this game. Robinson is saying all the right things, and the guys play for one another. So I'm going against wisdom and taking OSU by a bucket and crossing my fingers that (a) they make their free throws, and (b) the Huskies don't get too much home cookin'.

79-77 Beavs

See http://orangeexpress.wordpress.com/ for JackBeav's take.

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  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    I’m not expecting a win tonight and would be happy with a split to start this season’s first road trip. Washington showed against Duke they could come back from a huge deficit against a good team. (They didn’t beat Duke, but came back to within a basket after being down double digits the entire game) Also, since this is on the Husky’s floor, I just don’t see a win happening for the Beavs tonight.

    If OSU wants to pull out the win, I think the keys to victory will be Stark’s and Nelson’s 3pt accuracy, as well as the interior defense played by Moreland/Collier.

    I’ve got the opening night jitters for the first time in quite some time for this game. Let’s go Beavers!

  • locusimperium says:
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    great breakdown angry, go beavs!

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    To me, what is needed is playing a conference favorite, like Washington, close and tough. If we do that, we wont lose confidence. I have a feeling this team wont lose confidence anyway, with any let-down losses, as the loss to Idaho showed.

    I think the team is hungry, knows it CAN win, and will give it a hard effort no matter what.

    Play that hi-energy, tough D, Beavers, and the rest will take care of itself!

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    Put a gun to my head and I’ll say a loss tonight for the Beavs, but as Angry said, it will be a good test and will show us fans and players alike where we’re at right now.
    I’m just stoked to get conference play under way.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    I think the Beavers are go out there and get this “W”. Washington has been struggling on defense, N’Diaye will help but I still think the Beavers will have a ton of success offensively. I would like to see the Beavers get the ball inside to Brandt, Burton and Collier a lot. Washing has size with N’Diaye in the middle but I think the Beavers can get him into foul trouble. Also, if the Huskies go strictly with a m2m defense JC should be able to get into the lane at will. I expect the Beavers to get to the foul line a lot. If the Beavers are hitting their threes as well they’ll win this game.

    I think the Beavers win this one 89-80. It will be close but in the final 5 minutes the Beavers pull away.

  • Jack says:
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    N’Diaye is no offensive threat except when he gets an o-board underneath the hoop. In fact, if I was the coach and looking for ways to frustrate him and lure him into poor defensive play and foul trouble, I would put McShane in to foul him on the floor once they get him in the bonus. That’s almost as good as a turnover. If it happens enough, Romar can’t afford to have him on the floor in crunch time.

    But that would be sneaky scheming.

    • angry angry says:
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      I think of him as a Moreland type…it’ll be interesting to see them go at it if CR does match them up.

  • chris young says:
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    I here the beavs are interested in Az Western’s Chris Young. He’s coming for a visit in January.
    I like his speed and tackling in the highlights. Unfortunately, he seems to almost never be blocked. But when he is, he blows it up pretty quick. I’d talk this guy in a heart beat. How about everybody else?

  • chris young says:
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    I hear the beavs are interested in Az Western’s Chris Young. He’s coming for a visit in January.
    I like his speed and tackling in the highlights. Unfortunately, he seems to almost never be blocked. But when he is, he blows it up pretty quick. I’d take this guy in a heart beat. How about everybody else?

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    DECEMBER 26, 2011

    “…Chris Young, a 2010 Auburn High School graduate, was named the Western States Football League and Arizona Community College Athletic Conference Defensive Player of the Year…”

    And

    “…”I’m going to transfer to UW after this, I’ve still got my eyes on UW and nothing else,” he (Chris Young) said….”

    http://www.auburn-reporter.com/sports/136230193.html

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    IF the Beavs don’t stand outside the key, pass the ball around and then take a low percentage shot they could/should make the game interesting. If they do there’s a good chance they get beat by 20 or more.

    Imo it’s up to CR to make sure they don’t fall into that old habit.

  • chris young says:
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    “In a previous interview, Young said he hoped to attend and play football at UW after two years at Arizona Western.”

    Rumor is that the huskies are done with him. His classes won’t transfer as UW doesn’t have a PE/ Health and Wellness major in their college of education.

    Just what I’ve read.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Imo OSU could use some more talent in the LB position.

    It would be nice if he had a DT buddy he could bring along with him.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      High school film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLGNosgezRg&feature=related

      AZW freshman year film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLGNosgezRg&feature=related

      If I’m looking at the right film the kid can lay the wood.

      Perhaps it’s because I’m an old fart but I have a problem relating to film where the kid has chosen what seems to me to be gansta rap for the background.

      Here’s hoping he realizes that going to college isn’t just about playing football. It’s about getting an education which will allow him to get away from the ghetto and have a decent life. Leaving school with an education that will only get you a job driving a UPS truck or working in a warehouse is very sad and a real waste.

      • helmsley says:
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        agree – except not sure driving a UPS truck is such a bad gig. I know a couple of former drivers who’ve worked their way up in the company with good benefits.

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          Fair enough. Even though the drivers work long hours and are exposed to the elements they do have an opportunity to advance into something that’s decent.

          So instead let’s say working as a bouncer or in a warehouse.

          Don’t bother telling me about how the bouncers get a lot of chicks. 🙂

  • Quatre Quatre says:
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    I don’t believe this team is for real and is a year out from solid status.Winning against a slate of terrible to mediocre teams, even hugely, doesn’t mean as much as most are saying. I expect that next year will be the year, but I’d have no problem with being wrong.

    • helmsley says:
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      I fear that the husky crowd might get to them, that the refs are going to let the UW players get away with murder, and that the beavs will get down and not be able to get up. However, CR stands up for his players and questions the refs – so who knows how that will go. I’d be delighted to be very, very wrong.

  • Uncanny says:
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    Anyone know of a stream for this game?

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      So far this is the only one I know of. Here’s hoping JustIn or somewhere else carries it as I don’t particularly care for first row. For what ever that’s worth.

      http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/100082/1/watch-oregon-st.-vs-washington.html

      • angry angry says:
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        They want me to download some software to play it. Seems like a virus…

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          “…Seems like a virus…”

          I sure hope not cuz I’ve downloaded it. The software is called Stream Torrent. I’ve got it running but it isn’t showing the OSU game. They’re showing Penn State vs Michigan.

          The URL shows OSU vs Washington but …..

          They used to give me a message saying a software download was required but I could see the game w/o downloading it. So I guess they’ve “fixed” that.

  • Jack says:
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    Is the crowd still getting hot dogs and hitting the head?

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      They’re at home watching the bowl game. I guess it makes for a good night to play Washington on the road. Now if the Beavs could just settle down and make a few shots, they look nervous.

  • slamadam says:
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    i like the way they’re rebounding, hopefully some of these shots start to drop soon

  • slamadam says:
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    disappointing start i wonder how much the 8 days between games has to do with it

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Could be but I’d guess it’s more a combo of road game nerves and playing a good quality team.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Burton looks terrible tonight

  • angry angry says:
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    Damn, Beavs gonna lose this one. Ambushed.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      I expected Washington to come out motivated. Beavers just got to weather the storm and hang close for a half, then they will give themselves a shot.

      • angry angry says:
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        Yeah, I guess it’s too early to write off the Beavs…but, bad start…sounds like they weren’t ready for this and need to step it up fast.

  • slamadam says:
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    cunningham still the only one making shots. theyre getting decent looks too..

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    I’d much rather have Collier in than Burton. Burton is killing the Beavers tonight.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers playing a little out of character tonight. They just need to calm down. Guys are trying to do too much and are playing 1 on 1 too much. Once they get focused and get back to playing the way they have all season they’ll be fine.

    • bleedsorange says:
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      UW is red hot

      We need to box out

      Can’t let this thing get out of hand early

  • angry angry says:
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    This is very disappointing.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    How’s that man crush Angry? 🙂
    I had a terrible feeling we’d come out flat like this. Happens whenever a Beavs team starts garnering attention and has expectations. I blame Bobby D.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      The Beavers aren’t poorly coached. You can’t put this on Craig’s shoulders. Just a bad start and this is the first tough road game of the season.

      • Beavocalypse says:
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        They are getting destroyed in every fundamental aspect of the game and look unfocused. If that isn’t bad coaching I really don’t know what is. Every road game is harder than normal, does that mean CR gets a pass for every one of them?

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          Oh oh, I can almost hear the rising howls of “fire CR”.

    • angry angry says:
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      Well, Washington is probably the most talented team in the conference and it’s their home opener…but this blowout is surprising. I figured it would at least be close.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Goal for the Beavers is to get this down 12 or 10 at the half. If they can get it to 10 I still like their chances. The Huskies will eventually cool off.

  • angry angry says:
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    Can’t see the game, but the defensive effort sounds horrible via radio. Giving Washington so many open looks and second chances…

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Starks is just too small to play against washington. We’re smaller at every position. Would like to see Nelson and Cunningham start at the guard spots next half with collier/brandt/burton. If Starks isn’t shooting, he’s a liability against a team with this much size.

  • slamadam says:
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    its ok everyone, mcshane just checked in!

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Where the hell is the “great” D the Beavs are known for?

  • Timber! says:
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    We’ll be really good next year.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    It’s down to 13 and Starks has two free throws with about a couple minutes left in the half. Beavers have a chance to cut it to single digits. If they can get it down to single digits that will be big for their psyche.

    • angry angry says:
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      Teams that exert massive energy coming back big almost always fade when they get it close. What they need is Washington to miss easy shots/give the Beavs easy shots. Non-energy exerting type plays. Washington is making everything. Not sure why. Beavs playing horrible D? I can’t see it so I don’t know.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Sometimes. But the Beavers have gotten some easy shots, I think they can have enough energy to finish a comeback. Not necessarily bad D being played. Washington is just hitting everything and getting all the bounces. However, Burton’s D has been atrocious.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Down to 11 with 2:46 left. Hopefully the Beavers get this down to 7 by the half

  • angry angry says:
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    Washington keeps getting offensive rebounds/second, third, and fourth chance shots. Huge issue.

    • Beavocalypse says:
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      That’s always been an issue of Beaver teams since the Jay John era. We don’t rebound worth a shit against teams with serviceable bigs.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers down 11 at the half. I don’t think it’s all that bad. It’s manageable. With how much went wrong in the first half to be down 11 isn’t so bad. Beavers got a shot. Just need to secure more rebounds in the second half and execute a little better offensively. I still like the Beavers chances.

  • angry angry says:
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    Has Brandt played at all? Haven’t heard his name…isn’t he one of the best FG% guys in the conference?

  • slamadam says:
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    very disappointed with that half, but they still have an outside shot if washington cools down in the second half

  • beav4ever says:
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    If Burton doesn’t play in that 1st half we would be within 2 pts. He has been awful.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Well, the Beavs came out nervous and shooting poorly, but they played washington pretty even the final 10 minutes of the half. Washington started looking a little tired before halftime. If the Beavs can keep this tempo up in the 2nd half, they’ve got a shot to get back into this thing.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    I’m not going to give up completely on this game but that half re-established the fears I had about OSU chemistry dissolving when they are asked to play disciplined, fundamental basketball. We’ll see how much of a motivator CR is.

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t think the outcome depends entirely on Robinson…Washington/Romar has a stake in the game, too. They’re good, and their coach is good…

      I thought the Beavs would be more ready for the game…that part is on Robinson and disappointing. Can’t see the game, so I don’t know how the X/O aspect is going. Don’t like that I haven’t heard Brandt mentioned…

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        “…Don’t like that I haven’t heard Brandt mentioned……”

        In part that’s because of Mike Parker. Imo he isn’t worth a shit as a basketball announcer.

        For example, he doesn’t even tell us who’s in the game.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Brandt has been in there but he was pulled because he was struggling on defense and the boards. Beavers have been much better with Moreland and Collier up front and Starks, Cunningham and Nelson in the backcourt. Starks’ size is an issue but he was playing better the last 5 minutes of the half. I find it funny that the Beavers started forcing turnovers like crazy at the end of the half with McShane in there.

  • beav4ever says:
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    I cannot understand why Burton plays so much. He’s a complete liability on defense, doesn’t rebound well and I know he makes some good passes, he turns the ball over way to much.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Well, with all things being equal as you and Jack were indicating this game becomes a contest of coaches. So far, Romar brought his team to the court ready to beat us. The onus is on Robinson to respond and bring his players back down to earth. This outcome is entirely on CR because the team IS talented and there will be nowhere to hide if they can’t rough it out on enemy courts. Anything said after any away game loss is just an excuse, in my opinion and after the football season I’m kinda done with excuses

    • angry angry says:
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      No, I said Washington has more clear NBA talent, but the Beavs have played with better chemistry thus far. I don’t think the talent is even, but it’s close. Game should be way closer than 11…that much is true.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Craig needs to get Burton’s ass out of the game.

  • beav4ever says:
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    GET BURTON OUT OF THE GAME!!!!!!!!!

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers with a chance to get it down to 7. Beavers hanging around. If they can go on a run here it would be huge.

  • FatDog says:
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    Not bad down by 8 from being down by 20. I think this indicates positives for the Beavs or that UW can’t manage a 20 point lead.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Angry: First Row is now showing the Beavs game. So far no sign of a virus. It’s delayed vs the radio broadcast by about a minute or so.

    http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/100082/1/watch-oregon-st.-vs-washington.html

  • slamadam says:
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    free throws are becoming a lingering issue

  • Timber! says:
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    I have a serious mental problem, I keep coming back to bad OSU sports. I cancelled football season tickets after last year, that worked out well. Just a ray of hope for basketball and I find myself sneaking peaks at games, then watching more and more. I have no patience for crap, at all. I’ve become a fair weather fan.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers aren’t rotating at all on defense. Guys are getting to the rim too easily.

  • beav4ever says:
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    Our defense has been awful.We are fortunate to still be in this game.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Roberto has to shoot that three there.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Too many layups on defense, missed free throws are killing us

  • Timber! says:
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    Is Moreland stuck in the bathroom or something?

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers just can’t quite get over the hump. They’re hanging around, just need to get some defensive stops and they’ll be fine. Offense is fine.

    • angry angry says:
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      That was my point earlier. It’s easy to get a 20 point lead down to 7, but getting from 7 point to gaining the lead is nearly impossible. Rarely see that happen.

  • slamadam says:
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    terrible foul by starks

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’ve only been able to watch part of the 2nd half but what I’ve seen so far OSU’s defense in the key is better when Brandt is in there.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Not really. It’s at it’s best when Moreland is in there instead of Burton. Burton has just been standing and watching constantly.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Starks is casting off way too much and apparently CR is saying nothing.

    • Beavocalypse says:
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      CR talks by pouting on the bench. Didn’t you notice that by now?

  • slamadam says:
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    washington’s wings have gotten waaaaay too many lay ups tonight

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Getting killed on the boards.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Chris Polk is breaking the handle off on Baylor.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    That’s why its hard to come from 7 and get the lead , you need to be perfect to do it.

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    The guy Starks is guarding looks like he’s 8″ taller. Imo he’s a liablity in there.

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    Has cunningham taken a shot in the 2nd half?

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    Free throws + rebounding/boxing out strike again. Been an issue all year, but they got away with it versus the bad teams.

    Game should have been much closer.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    OSU has resorted to casting off from way the hell out there.

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    The OSU website shows the Huskies out rebounding the Beavs by 38 to 33. Not that bad.

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    Defense was awful. Burton and Starks are both bad defenders. Cunningham was a non factor offensively in the 2nd half, 1 fg attempt.

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    I blame Burton for the loss. His guy was 30, but he covered other guys and played more of a zone than a man to man. Also, I blame the not following their shots. Also, they pass it too much instead of going in and drawing a foul. Hopefully we play better against wazzu.

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    I blame in part the cream puff schedule the Beavs have played. No way to prepare for teams the quality of the Huskies.

    Another part is imo the Beavs depend too much on 3’s. UW scored a lot of points on set plays which involved going to the basket.

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    Burton cost us many points. The stats will show he didn’t play that bad but if you watched him on defense he killed us.

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    83-80 with 2:55 to go, UW finishes on a 12-0 run. That is not the way you want to close out a game. With that being said, I do think this game was lost in the first half, it is hard to come back from a 20 point deficit on the road against a good team. Lots to be learned from this loss.

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    I’m disappointed, but I’m not surprised because Washington is better than their 6-5 record showed early on. The problem for U-Dub is chemistry. As for OSU, it was getting in a hole early and never getting out of it. That is extremly tough to overcome on the road against ANY team, but again, it is a long season and a good team will learn from its mistakes, correct them, and get ready for the next game. If they lose to Washington State, who lost badly to the Ducks tonight, 92-75, then I’m worried, but like I said, they need to learn from what they did wrong tonight and prepare to take down the Cougars.

    Jack, how soon can you get your scouting report out on WSU? Thanks!

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    Like I said before the game, this team isn’t for real. Angry and Jack have been overvaluing their play against a terrible to mediocre schedule, even when the play wasn’t that good. The rebounding has been a problem all year and continues to be a problem. The issues that PSU exploited, especially in the 2nd half, are what UW took advantage of all game. Weak interior D when the ball is in the paint and terrible to no help D on pretty much anyone going into the lane. Jack dismissed my concerns, stating that’s just what PSU does. Well, PSU doesn’t have the athletes that UW fields, and now my concerns are legitimate. I said after the PSU game that this would cost the Beavers games, and one game into the conference season I’ve already been proven right. This was a game the Beavs easily could have won by 10.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      The rebounding is poor right now and the defense was not good. They also were playing the most talented team in the conference on the road and they were motivated. It was a tough night. They’ll learn and fix the problems. Doesn’t mean this team “isn’t for real”. That was reaching.

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        The rebounding is poor when the OSU website shows the Huskies out rebounding the Beavs by 38 to 33? That doesn’t seem so poor to me.

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          The rebounding battle got more even the last 6 minutes or so. There were key stretches in the first half and early second half where Washington was abusing the Beavers on the glass. Box score doesn’t tell the whole story.

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      Interior D was a problem, have up too many layups, you are right, poor defensive rebounding giving them 2nd chance points in the lane , again you are right. How do you fix it??

      Their size was an advantage, but we scored just as many in the lane as they did. They shot way above their 62% ave from FT and we were below our 72%. Lost the turnover battle, mainly interior passing.

    • osu2008 says:
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      Like I said, one game does not determine the rest of the season. If they play like this against WSU, then I am concerned. I agree that their interior D stinks and has as of late, but Craig has mentioned that quite a bit in the papers, something I wish Riley had the balls to do with the football program and their deficiencies.

      As for the mediocre schedule, all of the other conference teams have played cupcakes too, plus OSU has the only quality win in the entire conference (the win vs.Texas). I’m still not sold on Stanford and this season is going to be one hell of a dog fight, so the team better get prepared FAST!! Tonight OSU met a better team that has won a lot of games for a while and expects nothing less, while the Beavers are still learning how to win, but that does need to translate into actually winning those games. Not happy with tonight’s result, but I’m not throwing in the towel.

    • Timber! says:
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      This game would have been a bigger blowout if Burton hadn’t been making his crazy, low percentage shots that he rarely makes but happened to somehow be making tonight.

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    Again according to the CBSsports game tracker on the OSU website UW got 12 rebounds on offense while the Beavs got 11. On defense the Huskies got 26 while the Beavs got 22.

    Imo the turn overs might be as significant as the rebounds where OSU committed 13 and the Huskies 9. Also points in the paint are in the Huskies favor 50 to 44. It seemed to me like they had a lot more uncontested shots than they should have.

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      I’d rather look at free throws, offensive rebounds, and put backs comparisons. That’s what hurt the beavs tonight.

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    Strength of Schedule (SOS) http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/sos

    USC………………..15
    Arizona…………….39
    Washington……….45
    Colorado…………..56
    ASU…………………76
    Cal…………………119
    UCLA……………..123
    ‘ucks………………144
    WSU………………150
    Utah……………….199
    Stanford………….230
    OSU……………….284

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    Baylor and UW are playing defense like I would expect from DII schools.

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    Game was lost in the first few minutes. CR should have used a TO to stop the bleeding before it got to 12-2. Bad D, piss poor FT shooting, and giving up put-back after put-back is a sure way to lose. Dogs have some impressive players. Much bigger and stronger and just as fast or faster. Ducks win big. This night sucked. Time to put away the Cool Aid. We are not as good as we thought. Hope the season does not unravel in Madoffian fashion. Looked like the last years team out of the gate……………totally unprepared. The defense was Banker -like.

  • angry angry says:
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    Beavs gave up too many easy baskets and second chances. They’ve done that most of the year…it’s frustrating. I still think this is a good team that will be in every game.

    P.S. Cunningham is so inconsistent. The guy doesn’t show up many nights. Sure, he goes off for 30 five times per year, but the other games are clunkers. I like that he’s building team chemistry off the court, but he needs to start performing on it.

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      Agreed! They need another big man that can hit the boards. Cunningham is not NBA material this year, so he needs to stay for his senior year, which I think he will.

      Anyone know anything about Maika Ostling, the big man from Dayton that they signed. I can’t find any decent film on him and I read that he sat in the opening game at the Les Schwab tourney in Portland for a “team related matter.” Is he any good or a project? Hope the guy isn’t a head case because they just got rid of last year’s seniors who were perfect examples of head cases.

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        They need practice FT shooting. Way too many second chance points given up. Brandt needs to take more shots.

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        Moreland is solid on defense just a bit of a liability on offense. What we really need is a 2 way post player.

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      What I found interesting was that Cunningham really looked focused offensively for much of the first half (like he was out to prove something) and then just kind of faded away. He didn’t do anything particularly well in the second half. I guess it’s almost encouraging that they were able to get the game down to three without Cunningham.
      I thought that Moreland’s length bothered UW at times, but he couldn’t finish on offense and is such a liability at the foul line that CR is reluctant to give him more minutes. If he can put it all together at some point, he is going to be very impactful.
      It was not an unexpected loss, but I would love to see a breakthrough road victory soon.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Was Banker serving as guest DC for the Alamo Bowl?

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      Apparently, Holt can’t stop the spread either. I don’t recall any sideline shots of him going ape shit like usual. Maybe Baylor’s offense had him in shock or Sarkisian makes his take Prozac now.

  • ean says:
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    The Huskies were playing well. The Beavers have no answer to the size and athleticism Wroten, Wilcox, Ross, and Gaddy are huge and athletic. Starks and Nelson (particularly Nelson) are poor perimeter defenders. Barton shows promise but I need to see more. Burton and Brandt were decent offensively but I really felt the Beavers needed an eraser out there. I would like to see more Moreland and am unsure why Collier played so few minutes. Moreland seems clueless at times and is still that tall awkward guy but he could really use more minutes he does have good potential and is something we need against teams with multiple penetrators. I hope Gomis has some game too him… and that he can hit FT’s.

    I liked the fight the Beavers showed in coming back from 20. I think this is the most talented team in the Pac-12. I think if you were filling out the Beavers schedule before the season you would have penciled this in as a loss.

    On a side note I found it odd that Kevin Calabro said with 3 minutes left in the half that Collier finished with his off hand when he finished with his left hand. Either Collier is that natural with both hands or Calabro wasn’t paying attention.

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      I don’t mean to be disrespectful to a hall of famer, but am I the only one who thought Lenny Wilkens was awful? He kept calling the team “Oregon” for the first 15 minutes and it seemed like he was working off of the bare minimum of research. It annoyed me that neither he nor Calabro seemed to make much out of the fact that the Beavs did come from 20 points down. It was kind of like finally when it was down to three, they acknowledged that it was a game. Not a lot of enthusiasm. Lamar Hurd does a much better job and he always seems to know a lot about the other team too.

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        It is like they are home team announcers for the Huskies.

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          I almost thought they were, but then Calabro is national, right?

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        Well, it was for the entire first half and actually he was saying, “Arrigin.”

        I didn’t even know it was Lenny Wilkens….just sounded like an east coast d-bag.

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          Funny you should say that. My girlfriend walked into the room halfway through the game and heard his voice and asked if Donald Trump was doing the color commentary. Is there a bigger east coast d-bag?

  • beavmoe says:
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    What a shocker! We got smashed by a legit D1 team after beating up on a bunch of shitty mid majors or worse. You all need to quit sucking this team off because they arent a pac12 contending team, even in a down year for the conference.

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      Beavmoe — You gotta be joking. The UW is not just a “legit D1” team, they may well be the top of the conference. We closed to withing 3 after being behind by 20. That ISNT getting “smashed”.

      We played them competitively in their house, and we a young team not used to winning.

      You are making no sense.

      If you cant see the improvement in the way we played in the nonconference, you are blind.

      The play in conference has yet to be shown. One loss to maybe the best team, in their house, doesnt a season make.

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      I’m still bullish.

      Definitely need to sure up:
      rebounds/defense
      free throws

      Beavs give up too many easy buckets and leave too many points on the floor via FTs

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        Interior defense more than anything. I think the Beavers looked soft on defense. There were a couple of opportunities for legitimate hard fouls that were not taken.. I like a fast break team, but I don’t want a Paul Westhead team either.

        I was a little dismayed by Joe Burton’s post game comments about not being prepared for a team that pushes the ball up the court. When has UW ever walked the ball up the court? That goes to coaching if Burton’s comments are accurate.

        I’m tired of the poor free throw shooting from some of the usual suspects, but I think it would have taken a 90% effort from the line to be in the game at the end last night.

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          I think it was the perimeter defense that allowed so many guys to get to the rim. Then again Moreland was the only guy acting as an eraser at the rim. Really wished he would have seen more minutes. Sure he is raw and out of control but we need a defender at the rim against a team that can beat our guards so easily. I hope Reid and Morris-Walker are good defenders… also I don’t think we will have to see Wroten next year.

          • Jack says:
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            Ummm… when a double pick is constantly set at the high post to free the guard down the lane there’s a word which describes the perimeter defender’s chances of staying with his man. Hold on… I’m trying to remember what that word is. It’s on the tip of my tongue.

            Damn!

            I knew it just a couple minutes ago.

            Oh yeah!

            Impossible.

            This one was on the man D as a scheme. UW was not making perimeter shots themselves, and Coach Rob didn’t make them prove they could do so.

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            yeah… the correct move would have been to mix in more zone looks. I hope Rob learned from this one and remains open to showing a variety of looks on D. I would also like to see them flash zone once in a while then drop back into man. Still though I think Nelson is a poor perimeter defender and Starks average at best.

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            I couldn’t see the game, but Parker never mentioned any zone, so I tend to agree. Sounded like they were getting inside too easily and also losing their man often.

          • Jack says:
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            UW was running multiple picks on and off the ball. We were kept from even hedging on penetration plays by double picks at the high post all night. Dropping into a zone even a couple times would have made them rethink their set and disrupted their flow.

            As it was, we played a decent game on defense considering we provided them more opportunities inside than they deserved. It was our refusal to attempt perimeter shots in the first half which set up their defense and forced the pace in their favor. Once Starks started to let loose in the second half, their defense opened up and let Joe and Angus go to work. He didn’t have to make them. He just had to take them, and their defense opened right up. And when we made a few of them, they came back and made poor decisions early in their sets.

            It was just a case of Romar knowing exactly what we were going to do and us not being flexible or confident enough early to take what they were giving us instead of trying to play the scheme they were expecting. Even if we had opened the game with the 1-3-1 for one or two sets, it would have disrupted Romar’s scheme enough for us to settle out of the jitters we had on offense. And it would always be in the back of his mind that we could switch it up at any moment. The way Coach Rob wanted to pressure the ball up the court, a 1-2-2 would have been the zone to play on and off, but a 2-3 every now and then would have at least forced them to take some perimeter shots.

            The only teams who will see that UW team again are going to be the bottom half of the league, and they won’t be within three in crunch time.

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      UW is far and away the most talented team in the Pac-12. Based solely on talent they are easily a top 25 team. OSU will not face a team with as much back court talent unless they make the tourney and even then it is unlikely they make it far enough to see a team with as many talented guards and wings. That said OSU does have flaws and people were drinking the kool-aide (myself included). An at large tourney bid is still withing reach.

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        They played a tough non-con schedule. I felt like way too much was being made about the South Dakota St. lose. Every team has a game or two like that during the season.

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        Arizona has more talent that UW. Hell, the Beavs look like they have more talent if our guards show up… and they will. UW is beyond weak on the front court. their guards are good, but they will not make it far without any bigs.

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          maybe as a whole but UW has more talent at guard and wing in Ross, Wroten, Gaddy and Wilcox

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            No argument there. They are stacked in the back court. But they will likely get killed by Stanford and UCLA. Nikegon will probably match up well with them, giving Duck fans some hope early in the league schedule. The Zonies and Cal will cancel their starting line-up and beat them inside, and we will probably blow them out at Gill.

            What you saw last night was the best possible game UW could have played. The above scenarios account for them trying to replicate that performance and succeeding. They won’t play to that level except for maybe a handful more games, and they won’t likely be against the better teams. It sucks that we were the test subjects for UW’s new found game. If we had known they would play like that before the game, the Beavs scheme would have been different and would have likely beaten them.

  • Jack says:
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    Remember at the beginning of this thread how banking bonus-time fouls on N’Diaye would have been a strategy which might have worked? Well, getting any of their bigs on the line is better than putting their shooters there.

    Brandt, Burton, Collier, Moreland – 3 for 10 on foul shots… five fouls between the four of them.

    Gant, N’Diaye, Simmons – 2 for 2 on foul shots… 10 fouls between the three.

    There are ways to get their bigs on the line by making it look like it’s not a strategy. When they’re in the bonus, give them an extra shove like you’re trying to move them off the blocks. Go over their backs on the offensive boards or get what looks like a silly slap foul when they come down with it or try to pass it out for transition.

    The point isn’t that you play this way the whole game. But having this scheme as a contintency plan to disrupt the opposition by not letting them work their half court set or maybe even getting out on the run does work if done correctly and in control.

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      I agree during the 1 and 1 it is smart to put their bad shooters on the line… I am surprised we don’t see it more.

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    But can he coach (teach)? For me that’s still an unanswered question.

    Here’s hoping he takes a quick peek at the comments the observers are making but then he should know this stuff already. Especially so considering how much money he’s making.

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      Craig is doing fine. With the way some overreact on here I doubt he reads many blogs if any at all.

  • Jack says:
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    I didn’t even pay attention to the Alamo Bowl except for the couple updates they gave during the game. I see Baylor made their free throws down the stretch.

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    Oh… and congrats to the women for not letting UW come back on them like last year. Nice win at home for them!

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      Absolutely – UWWBB has a couple of new, hot coaches with an enviable winning record at Xavier, an athletic bruiser of a center – she literally got knocked on her butt, according to the Seattle times article about the game – yet the lady Beavs prevailed.

  • Jack says:
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    This is odd.

    I typed “Oregon basketball” into my google thingy, and I had to search halfway down the page for the news feed… which put Oregon State as the headline for the feed.

    I can’t remember the last time that’s happened. It’s usually the other way around.

    • Jack says:
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      Damn!

      Nikegon shoots 69% on the night, and they only score 92? I don’t think we see either of those numbers again this season.

      Cal and Stanford both won in a couple really ugly games.

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    The conference race appears to be wide open and it looks like anyone can beat anyone else on a given night. The Ducks won a conference road game which is tough to do anywhere, so I will give them some credit. We will know a lot more about the Beavs after the WSU game. I know that it is early, but that game is almost a must win for us if we want to make the big dance.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      It was in Spokane. Not exactly as tough as playing at Friel Court. Beavers play in Spokane tomorrow against the Cougars. Much easier road game than playing at Friel. I think the Beavers will win by 15-20

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    Report: Nick Holt, Jeff Mills fired

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskyfootballblog/2017126360_report_holt_mills_fired.html

    If only…………..

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Tough loss last night. The players seemed out of sync for most the game. They fought back but will need to learn to grab control and finish if we want to get 10 or more conference wins this year. Coach Robinson seemed to not be at his best either. I am hopeful we will beat the Cougars. We match up better but they won’t be wanting to start 0-2 either. OSU needs this next one pretty bad if we are to have any realistic odds to make the NCAA tourney. Respect is earned and tomorrow needs to be the start of learning to win on the road in the Pac-12.

    OSU 82, Wazzu 78

    Oregon St. @ Wazzu Preview:
    http://beaverbyte.com

  • new commits says:
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    Kentrell Brice and Cyril Noland commited today.

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      Neither of them are DTs -this is just like previous years with an assload of WRs and no Olines. These acquisitions don’t mean shit without a line.

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        CBs are the second hardest position to recruit, and the Beavs have now landed 3 legit ones.

        i.e. Brice, Shelton, Wallace.

        We’ll see if they can hang on…

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      I thought for sure the news on Brice was going to be NU after he didn’t recommit to Mizzou.

      Interesting…

      We get the package deal because Meeuwsen found Noland, and Noland tipped our coaches to Brice.

  • Warren says:
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    It’d be great to start getting more players from LA. Such a talent rich state.

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    Sound like gets. Haven’t seen their video, but their offers are better than the low-hanging fruit Riley has gotten in the past. Warren is right. Louisiana is a great place to recruit and OSU has had success there before with Keenan Lewis and Terrance Carroll, so hopefully this is a sign of better days in future recruiting and not just wishful thinking that the football staff have finally pulled their heads out of their asses. I think having Gunderson on staff has helped improve recruiting and it sounds like Darlin and Meeuwsen have helped as well.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’ll believe it when the paper is signed, they’re cleared (qualified) and they’re on campus. Been disappointed too many times to get too jazzed up about this too soon.

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      Don’t worry about them being qualified. Noland wants to go to dental school, and he said he and Brice may even be “over-qualified”.

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        That’s good news. Now my biggest concern is if Riley “the closer” will step on his dick again and fuck this deal up too.

        My only hope is these kids aren’t OL or DL so there’s a chance “the closer” can get ‘er done.

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    Rivals releases its first list of 5 star recruits for the 2013 class. Guess who’s in it:

    http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1311402

    Think the Riley recruiting staff can work some magic with a kid who has been a Beaver fan his whole life?

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Ouch! Might as well poke me in the eye with a stick!

      “…Think the Riley recruiting staff can work some magic with a kid who has been a Beaver fan his whole life?…”

      You’re referring to Riley “the closer”? hahahahaha Yeah, right.

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