26.Mar.2012 Cunningham to Test Draft

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Per ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story/_/id/7740058/2012-nba-draft-jared-cunningham-oregon-state-beavers-test-draft-waters-source-says

He's close but needs one more year. I can't see an NBA squad taking him in the first round.

NCAA_viOlation says:
March 26, 2012 at 2:59 pm
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Someone needs to remind him of former Beav Corey Benjamin. The guy thought he’d be a potential lottery pick, but got drafted with the final pick of the 1st round. He played in 153 total games over 4 seasons but never really made a name for himself and disappeared quickly. An extra year of college ball would have really helped him, as it will Jared.

That being said, best of luck to him and I wish him success next year, whether its in the NBA or at OSU.

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  • helmsley says:
    March 26, 2012 at 3:39 pm
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    I go back to something an earlier poster wrote – not sure if the OSU coaching staff coaches well enough to make JC better, which is why I thought time with Gary Peyton would be important. I occasionally watch the Knicks (even b4 Jeremy Lin) and I really can’t imagine Jared mixing it up with the pros. I think I don’t care so much about the Knicks as I do listening to Walt Frazier – among other things, he has wondered who gives these kids advice, but I think he was talking more about the ones and dunners.

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    • GoBeavs90 says:
      March 26, 2012 at 3:52 pm
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      Players typically improve their game in the summer when they aren’t with the coaches. I think the coaches help improve guys but they will improve their most with work in the summer. Angus played with the Australia National Team and improved his game that way. Jared working with Gary Payton in the summer would help his game a lot. Gary’s attitude could also rub off on Jared. Jared needs to get more of a killer instinct. He’s the best player, sometimes he’s just gonna have to take over. Working with Payton over the summer and another year would do so much for him. He’ll be a first round pick next season if he does that. If he develops a consistent outside and mid range shot and became a better ball handler and passer he would be scary. I think he can be that way next season.

      Really hope he makes the right decision for himself and comes back. if he was a lottery or first round pick I would want him to go. A second round selection or go undrafted and going to the D-League isn’t worth it. Needs to come back.

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  • rsteve503 says:
    March 26, 2012 at 4:07 pm
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    He needs to put in a solid, consistant year. No more of this turning it on just occasionally. Something psychological going on there.

    But I do understand that the money is a huge attraction. He can go for some now, or hope and plan for bigger money later. And the injury bugaboo is always lurking.

    As to what a loss it would be to us, I am not so sure. He wasnt capable of taking over a game, or we would have won several more games. He was often fun to watch, so he surely brought in fans.

    I suggest he stay, and try to become the game changer…..the guy you cant stop in the last 3 minutes of a game. I think he makes more eventually if he does that.

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    • angry says:
      March 26, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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      He took over some games. Let’s be fair.
      Definitely inconsistent, though.

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      • Bill says:
        March 26, 2012 at 7:35 pm
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        I’d say he was stuck between being the superstar he knows he could be and alienating his teammates by taking over the game. It was a delicate balance that seesawed all year. He looked unsure of when he should try to take over and when to work in the rest of the team. He didn’t want to upset the chemistry the guys built up on and especially off the court.

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    • jjjj says:
      March 27, 2012 at 7:18 pm
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      fair enough on consistency but he did go from 12/9 – 3/7 scoring double digits in each game. That’s over 20 games and most games his scoring was 15+

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  • ean says:
    March 26, 2012 at 4:07 pm
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    Not to mention this years draft is so deep and next years is looking not quite as deep.

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    • NCAA_viOlation says:
      March 26, 2012 at 4:19 pm
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      It’s a deep draft as far as frontline players are concerned, but if you look at this years’ crop of guards, I can start to understand why Jared might think this is the right year to come out. In the lower half of the first round, his main competition will be Terrance Ross of UW, Doron Lamb of UK, Tony Wroten of UW and Josh Jenkins out of Vanderbilt. Next year’s draft is much more guard heavy.

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      • GoBeavs90 says:
        March 26, 2012 at 7:18 pm
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        Also have Austin Rivers, Dion Waiters, Marquis Teague, William Buford, Kim English, Will Barton, Myck Kabongo, Dee Bost, Tyshawn Taylor. Draft is a little deeper at the guard position than most realize.

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  • Pettibonehead says:
    March 26, 2012 at 4:54 pm
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    OT… but I’m curious. What did Mike Parker do at the end of the game yesterday? Accounts say he came unglued. Anyone see something first hand?

    PS: I think the comparisons of JC to Benjamin are apt, but remember that was largely before the influx of foreign players expanded the NBA talent base.

    PPS: RE; GP mentoring JC. I don’t think attitudes rub off permanently… GP was bad ass day one… JC has a much sweeter base personality.

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    • angry says:
      March 26, 2012 at 4:57 pm
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      He just went off on the umpires. Screamed, “Go take your hot shower”, believing they called the pitch on Gordon a strike because of the rainy weather.
      The umpiring was atrocious all day yesterday.

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      • oneoldbeav says:
        March 26, 2012 at 8:19 pm
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        Marty Lees was throwing stuff in protest as well and Pat Casey said clearly after the game that there was no swing and the pitch was not a strike. Parker was as outraged as he has ever been, sounds like with good cause.

        Granted, its always debatable how much of that is appropriate from a broadcaster. FWIW I think his outbursts are genuine reflections of his feelings and not some schtick intended to gain audience or some other nefarious motive.

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        • presleydog says:
          March 26, 2012 at 9:57 pm
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          The fact that Parker has these out bursts makes me like him that much more he is like one of us. He was spot on with the call the more it rained the more they called anything three feet from the strike zone a strike and then that call came. He was absolutely correct. Is it wrong that our announcer gives a shit? Granted I don’t want him to turn into the ducks announcer who is constantly whinning about how his team is getting hosed, but I perfer a dude that gets into the game than a guy that is there to pick up a paycheck.

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        • angry says:
          March 26, 2012 at 10:03 pm
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          It was a horrible call.
          Parker was right, but he sounded crazy/enraged. I thought it was justified, funny, and unprofessional all at the same time. And I also thought, “he’s too (emotionally) invested in this.”…

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          • rsteve503 says:
            March 27, 2012 at 4:10 pm
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            Yeah….an announcer shouldnt be a complete homer like the UO guys who whine on and on if UO doesnt get a call, but needs to keep it together and just report. Calling it a totally bogus call is his right and obligation, but dont come unglued….lol.

            My opinion of Parker has changed. I once thought he was one of the best, but now he seems to almost expect the Beavers teams to screw up and play poorly. Its tone of voice when things start going bad. Maybe thats understandable, given the often poor performance in the games he broadcasts, esp in football, but he needs to keep his perspective. He should not be a critic, but an announcer…..take the good with the bad. Just call the game…

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            • homefry says:
              March 27, 2012 at 8:55 pm
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              +1…let the listener decide if he wants to be depressed due to the game situation. I would love to listen to the Beavs with a critical view…but Parker is more down than Eeyore chasing a hufflelump.

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  • Pettibonehead says:
    March 26, 2012 at 5:09 pm
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    Thanks… doesn’t sound too bad.

    I knew Mike, back in the late 80′s early 90′s. I was well aware of his personal issues before they became public. I know how much this job means to him and would hate to see anything derail his position with the Beavs. JB

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  • beaverkman says:
    March 26, 2012 at 7:09 pm
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    FWIW:
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    @BrandonSprague Just spoke with Jared Cunningham and he says he has “no idea” who that source was in the Andy Katz piece.

    ? @BrandonSprague Says it didn’t seem entirely accurate to him because he’s not sure about bypassing the NCAA deadline of April 10.

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  • Mud&Sticks says:
    March 26, 2012 at 8:14 pm
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    Perhaps JC feels CR’s program isn’t doing him much good and that he could be learning more from another coaching staff.

    I’ve just gone back and looked at George Dohrmann’s post about OSU from 13 months ago and it looks to me like a lot of the faults he pointed out are still there.

    http://georgedohrmann.com/blog/id/592/Oregon-State
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    Oregon State has to be one of the worst major conference teams in the nation. Worst of all, they remind me of one of Joe Keller’s team: No discipline, poor fundamentals, a lack of leadership, and a coach on the sideline who doesn’t appear to have any answers.
    end quote

    Imo too many of the criticisms are still valid.

    CR is making close to $1M per year and in my humble opinion, w.r.t. to his coaching, he’s being over paid.

    P.S. JC I don’t think you’re ready for the bigs but if you’re leaving for the reasons I mentioned I can see why you’d consider making the jump.

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    • mckalk says:
      March 26, 2012 at 8:39 pm
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      But if you read Dohrman’s suggestions…CR adopted every one of them this year to some extent, so I give him credit for that. This team won 11 games more than last year, no small feat. The question becomes can CR ever coach this improved talent to a NCAA tournament? If Jared leaves I fear that Craig has another built in excuse.

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    • angry says:
      March 26, 2012 at 9:55 pm
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      CR had a pretty good year. Has to make an NIT or better next year, and if Cunningham stays that should be attainable. He’s not a great coach but these teams are more exciting and have more potential than the teams that came before him.

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  • mckalk says:
    March 26, 2012 at 8:32 pm
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    People forget that Gary Payton averaged about 7 points a game his first couple of seasons with the Sonics and had no outside shot, but it all developed over time. Maybe Jared is getting some kind of message that there are NBA teams that will take the time to develop him? Otherwise, he could use another year. In games where he didn’t get the foul calls on his drives in the lane, he could disappear.

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  • Bill says:
    March 26, 2012 at 9:48 pm
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    It doesn’t hurt to get his name out there. Get the attention of scouts and they’ll keep tabs on him a lot more closely than they would have before.

    I believe he’ll come back.

    The things he needs to work on that will make him unstoppable next year.
    1. A more consistent pull up jumper. On fast breaks the defenders were flying back to the basket. JC pulls up, easy 10 footer.
    2. A better cross over. It will help him get more open driving lanes. He doesn’t need much room to blow by guys. He’ll need it in the NBA.
    3. The biggest thing is the mental game. Other teams are figuring out if you get under his skin, he can unravel.

    Working with Payton will do all of this. Esp when Payton turns on the trash talk. Cunningham will be immune to everything.

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  • ean says:
    March 26, 2012 at 10:05 pm
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    The best thing about Cunningham’s decision is that either way it is good news for OSU.

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    • NCAA_viOlation says:
      March 27, 2012 at 8:22 am
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      Unless he opts into the draft and doesn’t get drafted in the first round (or at all)

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      • ean says:
        March 27, 2012 at 8:42 am
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        lol… true. I guess that is always a possibility. I think the best move would be coming back but maybe he is in a crummy financial situation or something.

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    • mckalk says:
      March 27, 2012 at 10:09 am
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      Why is it good news for OSU the team? Yes, good news for Cunningham the individual (at least financially), if he somehow gets into the first round.

      Do you think CR has a ready plan to replace 18 points a game, not to mention the best defender on a poor defensive team? I’m skeptical from what I saw this year (especially in league play). I think they take a step back and the schedule is starting to look somewhat stronger also.

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      • ean says:
        March 27, 2012 at 10:33 am
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        it raises the profile of the team. Kids want to go to a school that can get you to the NBA. Perception becomes reality and vice-versa.

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        • mckalk says:
          March 27, 2012 at 8:03 pm
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          Payton, Barry and Benjamin didn’t help much. Nor Haskins and Ortiz for that matter.

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  • steveEbeaver says:
    March 27, 2012 at 10:04 am
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    OT–per baseball twitter, game at UP today cancelled.

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  • Jack says:
    March 27, 2012 at 10:17 am
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    Meh… I’m not too worried either way. I’m sure the coaches are putting out feelers to see where he might land. I don’t think he moves into the first round yet, and he’ll get that news.

    He’s down in Oakland right now for YAF’s all-star game on Friday (language warning if in a public area). Note the LMW shout out to OSU and the clips starting at 2:30 of him. YAF loves LMW.

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  • Jack says:
    March 27, 2012 at 10:38 am
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    I remembered this from last year (again… language). This tape should get Jared into the first round.

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  • StarcraftSquall says:
    March 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm
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    Quick Baseball Update:
    The game today @ Portland has been rained out.
    http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/032712aaa.html

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  • GoBeavs90 says:
    March 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm
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    Jared Cunningham is going to stay in the NBA Draft and not return to school. This is a big mistake by him but I hope he can be successful in the league. This probably opens up more playing time for Roberto Nelson and LMW next season. Time for ‘Berto to step up and be the player I think he can be.

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    • NCAA_viOlation says:
      March 27, 2012 at 5:19 pm
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      http://blog.oregonlive.com/beavers/2012/03/according_to_espn_rumors_jared.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      It’s nothing official. Just a rumor floated by Chad Ford

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      • GoBeavs90 says:
        March 27, 2012 at 5:21 pm
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        I highly doubt it is JUST a rumor. More than likely there’s a lot of truth to it.

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        • NCAA_viOlation says:
          March 27, 2012 at 5:50 pm
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          So when Matthew Ciaffoni (oregonlive community blogger) “reports” that Chad Ford “says” that Jonathan Giovany “hears” that Andy Katz’ unverified source “claims” Cunningham is “rumored” to be staying in the draft, you think it’s more than JUST a rumor?

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          • GOBEAVS says:
            March 27, 2012 at 6:18 pm
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            Dont be rude ncaa. Things that are “rumored” in the sports world, particularly in college, end up being truth about 90% of the time. You know it. I know it. The sports world knows it. This isn’t high school. If Jared ends up dispelling these “rumors” and returning next year I will more than enjoy watching him play for the beavs while eating a nice helping of crow.

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  • beaverkman says:
    March 27, 2012 at 6:04 pm
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    Again, I think JC should stay, but if he doesn’t I will root for him in the NBA. He reminds me a little of Jarrod Bayless but plays better defense.

    I think the Hoops team could be better without Jared. I feel like they will have to go to different guys, primarily down low. Run plays for Devon and Angus in the block. The biggest thing will be the development of a new leader and that could be quiet few players. Will need Starks to become more of a distrubitor and then provide the scoring when we need it. He will also need to improve his defense since his height makes him a target. But with Moreland, Collier, Goomis, Brandt, and Burton the frontline should be a strength. Hopefuly Barton can develop his defense as I like his skill set. Roberto will probably stay where he is at, but if he could gain some confidence over the Summer it would help his mid range game.

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    • BeaverFever says:
      March 28, 2012 at 7:39 am
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      Barton sucks, just improve his defense? How about decision making, free throw shooting, low post game and don’t forget about decision making. I can’t stand that fat bastard.

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  • GOBEAVS says:
    March 27, 2012 at 6:23 pm
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    I may be the only one who thinks this but I think Collier will be our best player next year regardless of whether Cunningham comes back or not.

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    • GoBeavs90 says:
      March 27, 2012 at 7:10 pm
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      Devon is going to improve, excited to see what he can do. I think this helps Roberto the most. Remember the one game he played in that JC didn’t? He dropped 34 points. Seems like he’s deferred to JC far too much. When he felt he didn’t have to defer he balled. This could allow him to be more selfish. If it is true that JC is leaving it could really benefit Roberto and allow him to just be who he is. People have said ‘Berto was just overhyped but I disagree. He’s just a quiet guy in nature and doesn’t want to be selfish. When he doesn’t worry about that he has big games. This could allow that to happen consistently.

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  • BeavMonkey says:
    March 27, 2012 at 6:45 pm
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    Do we know if he is going to improve his consistency next year?

    just wondering, although as a likely no-pick, he is best off coming back to school.

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    • GoBeavs90 says:
      March 27, 2012 at 7:12 pm
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      Well, look at how much better he got between sophomore and junior year? He was going to make another jump between junior and senior year and consistency was likely to happen. Coming back to school is the best option for him but that’s not always the choice guys make.

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  • Beavergopher says:
    March 27, 2012 at 10:32 pm
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    I guess that PAC 12 really did suck this year. UW Loses to my very average
    Gophers. Tried to give the game away, but dogs would not accept our gift. Gophs
    were 10th place In conference. D really stunk. They made some of our players look good!

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  • Mud&Sticks says:
    March 28, 2012 at 10:14 am
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    Reasons why Jared would leave.

    - financial problems w.r.t. him or his family

    - he’s about ready to flunk out

    - doesn’t think OSU will be a contender next year (if he thought the team had the ability to be Pac-12 champs and do well in the NCAA would he be bailing out?)

    - doesn’t feel he’s getting the coaching he needs (for example: why is it he has to get tutoring from Payton about things, some of which, sound pretty basic?)

    - a combination of some or all of the above?

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    • Beavergopher says:
      March 28, 2012 at 10:24 am
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      Can’t bear to watch the football team suck again?

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    • Jack says:
      March 28, 2012 at 10:43 am
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      Financials would be a combination most likely of future pros plus present stresses. Making NBA pay is something not many people get to do. But there may be some immediate need for any pay from any league. It’s not unheard of with students who don’t play sports, so why would it be impossible to fathom here.

      Flunking out? I doubt that highly.

      OSU won’t be a contender with him? Then where’s the logic that anyone would want him on their team at any pro level since he wouldn’t make them a contender either?

      Not getting the coaching he needs? I don’t think you quite understand the dynamics of increasing your skill set in hoops. On every level, the season is “team” time, and the summer is “me” time. You spend the summer being selfish and playing street ball, refining the skills you target which will up your game for the next season. The coach at the NCAA level can only spend a little time per week with the players during the off-season–something like 20 man-hours per week with no more than four players at one time. That’s not much time to work on skills when you consider there are 15 or 16 kids. That’s why players go off to skills camps, national teams, local leagues and the like. They make more and better strides with their personal games when they are able to spend concentrated time with players and coaches who can focus on them without breaking the rules. Besides, the varying competition and instruction makes for a more well-rounded player, almost definitively.

      So you’re counting three coins out of a group of maybe 12 or 13 and presenting only one side of those three as your proposed conclusions. There are many more variables to consider with regards to the three you suggest, let alone the several you ignore.

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      • Mud&Sticks says:
        March 28, 2012 at 1:14 pm
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        It wasn’t my intention to imply that the ones I mentioned were the only possible reasons and I didn’t make that clear. My bad.

        “…OSU won’t be a contender with him? Then where’s the logic that anyone would want him on their team at any pro level since he wouldn’t make them a contender either?…”

        Were they a contender this year with him? I’d say no, they finished tied for 8th, and to me that’s not being a contender. I for sure wasn’t saying that OSU wasn’t a contender this year because he was on the team but I think you know that. If there isn’t a big improvement in the TEAM and the coaching staff it’s not looking very good for next year whether or not Jared is on the team.

        No I don’t understand all the fine details of the limitations on coaches and players during the season. So let me ask:
        How many coaches on the team and how many hours can each coach spend with player X during the season?

        If there are other reasons he might be considering jumping, I’m all ears (or should I say eyeballs). Even if it’s just some WAGs for the sake of conversation let’s have them.

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        • Jack says:
          March 28, 2012 at 6:49 pm
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          The whole of the coaching staff can spend a total of 20 man-hours per week with the players, with no more than four players at any one time. So if one coach spent one hour with one player, that’s one man-hour. And if all the coaches spent one hour with one player, that’s still one man-hour. It’s dependent on how many players are being instructed, not how many coaches are present.

          If the coaches held “practices” during this time, they could have four players for one hour “practices,” five days a week. But then they can’t call them practices either.

          In the end, outside instruction is more welcome to all. It gives the players fresh eyes on their games. And what they learn is brought back to the team and shared with all the players and coaches.

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          • Mud&Sticks says:
            March 28, 2012 at 7:31 pm
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            Thanks. To make sure I understand; it’s 20 man hours per week during the season and during the off season?

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            • Jack says:
              March 29, 2012 at 7:45 am
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              During the season, it’s timed according to how many hours the coaches hold actual “practices.” That’s why they can’t call them practices in the off season. That’s where the organizational difference comes in. When the coaches are present at workouts during the season, it’s called practice regardless of how many players are there.

              So during the season, they can hold 20 hours of coaching supervised “practice” hours during the week with the whole of the team. During the off season, they can hold 20 man-hours (or player-hours) of instruction per week, with no more than four players being present at any one “instruction.” So you can’t have five+ players for an instruction period, or you would then be having a practice and would violate the bylaws.

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  • Mud&Sticks says:
    March 28, 2012 at 10:35 am
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    I would hope that Dr. Ray has already tasked Bobby with finding out why Jared is thinking of bailing and determining if it’s something that OSU needs to address.

    Then again, perhaps Dr. Ray should be talking to Jared himself and not going through a middle man who might have self interests to protect. Just a thought.

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    • Jack says:
      March 28, 2012 at 10:46 am
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      Huh?

      What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

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      • Mud&Sticks says:
        March 28, 2012 at 12:58 pm
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        A key component of the team is supposedly leaving and if I were in his (Dr. Ray) shoes I’d want to know why. Especially if it has to do with something which needs to be addressed such as piss poor coaching. Just an example, of course.

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  • Beaver Byte says:
    March 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm
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    Lisa Love fired from AD position at Arizona State. Not hitting a high enough watermark. Wonder if BDC feels any heat or if he thinks Corvallis is an Ice Planet Hoth hideaway like Mike Riley does.

    http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu/articles/2012/03/28/20120328asu-lisa-love-out-athletic-director.html

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    • Mud&Sticks says:
      March 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm
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      Being more than a bit skeptical I’d say that OSU has neither the pocketbook nor the will to be a Pac-12 powerhouse.

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