JackBeav has a good writeup: http://orangeexpress.wordpress.com/
Love the non-conference schedule this year. Alabama, Villanova/Purdue, Kansas all provide quality opponents with good TV exposure. And the USD gives the team a chance to break in the floor of the Pac 12 tournament. All the rest of the non-conference games should be wins with one taking place @ Portland State so I get to see two of my favorite teams head to head in a high school sized gym. Beavs should have 10+ wins going into the conference.
If the Beavs finish above .500 in conference (9+wins) plus 1 or 2 wins in the conference tournament, they should be in the NCAA tourney right? I always forget what the typical Pac-12 team needs to win to get a slot. Is it 20?
Great writeup by Jack, though he mentions nothing of Randy Owen, Jeff Cook, or even Teddy Gentry. Would like to hear his take on how they may affect this game.
Honestly, how many of you googled those names? If no one fesses up I know a few lying sacks of sh!t in here! Lol
I dont see but Kansas in the preseason top 50, so I hope we can win 2 or 3 of those four.
Looks like Coach Rob is bringing in some talent. Back in the loser days, how did we ever land a guy like Brent Barry?
Not sure if you’re serious, but the year Barry committed, we had just been to the tourney three straight years.
And he wasn’t that highly recruited anyway.
I’ll keep posting these until I hear enough already–amazing the amount of writeups he does daily. His pick:
Alabama -2.5— and under 134.5
I’ve had this Oregon State game circled for about a month now as it is just a rare situation where I’m not expecting a great performance. You see, since practice in early September (rule change), Oregon State has been playing one style of basketball –FAST. Their season opener, they played an ultra-fast Niagara team. In their next match-up they played an even faster New
Mexico State squad. Now they take a trip across country into MSG to face one of the best defensive snails in the nation in Alabama. It’s just not Oregon State’s cup of tea. The offense has put up some points (102 and 71, 1.24PPP and 1.00PPP), but again, it was expected as they were able to play their style. The loss of Cunningham is huge, both from an offensive standpoint
and defensive standpoint. He was the go to guy in key situations, something Oregon State has yet to experience against a snail pace. So, I expect the loss of Cunningham to show up in a big way tonight. Defensively, they played both man-to-man and and a 1-3-1 (which often got lit up by the outside shot). Robinson didn’t use the zone as much as he had in recent years, so not
sure if that’s the case going forward or what, but I would expect at least some glimpse of zone to be utilized against an Alabama team that can’t shoot it all that well.
The most important part about this game is the expected pace. Alabama doesn’t want to run, they will on occasion if they see openings but not often. They almost always are able to control the pace. You’ll notice they’ve shut down some pretty fast and good offensive teams. Only one of the fast teams they played scored more than a point per possession on them the entire season. Now, Alabama isn’t the greatest offensive squad, but they win games with their defense, primarily their guards. Green and Mitchell are gone, some would argue it could be a good thing. I commented on their best recruit that came in Pollard being a stud in the last note section on Monday I believe. He didn’t play much in the opener due to match-ups, but expect his minutes to pick up. One last thing in regards to this match-up, is the fact that Alabama’s familiar with playing in Madison Square Garden having been here for a post-season NIT, whereas the Oregon State players will be making their first appearance. In past college events, many players and coaches have alluded to the fact that it is a tough building to get used to from a shooting standpoint. Might be worth something.
I like these writeups, I say keep posting them since they’re relevant.
^^^^^this guy is pretty good^^^^^ Bama wins by 3 and 127 total pts.
It’s so easy some times: wish it was me…
5* Illinois State +5.5 (W) 86-84 Illinois State
3* Alabama -2.5 (w) 65-62
1* Illinois State ML +200 (W) 85-81 Illinois State
Lean: Murray State -3 (W) (ahead 55-22 as I type)
Lean: Illinois State/Drexel Over 126.5 (W)
Lean: Alabama/Oregon State Under 134.5 (W)
Who is this guy homefry?
nropp.com-he just hit another winner: Colorado +5 against #16 Baylor
Did Burton forget to pack his turquoise shoes?
things were falling apart…had new ones against New Mexico St.
Hes been the bright spot today. Maybe its the new shoes?
Angus, how do you shoot behind the backboard. sheesh…nervous maybe?
Beavers doing a great job at getting the ball deep in the paint to Burton and Brandt. Big advantage there. Three point shots also going down early.
I like moreland to collier in the post
Collier is way out of control. Needs to calm himself down on the floor.
Burton has been very good, Collier is killing the Beavers with turnovers.
Collier needs to go ride the bench
Angus Brandt with the poster!
Collier just looks lost tonight. Not finishing easy ones at the rim, not rotating on defense, not looking up for passes, committing turnovers. Not his best showing.
really having a slump… he did not have a good game on Sunday. Hope he snaps out of it because they need the big guy!
Neither team seems to know how to play with a lead. Back and forth the entire half. Pretty even matchup.
Beavers would be up big if not for the turnovers. Play more under control in the 2nd half and the Beavers should be fine
yup. too many turnovers. I am not overly impressed with alabama. They aren’t a very good shooting team either.
Devon’s stats don’t look bad, but he was much worse than the stats indicate. Missed three easy layups, turnovers, lazy on defense, mental errors that helped lead to turnovers credited to other teammates.
Need 3 ball handlers on the floor in the second half. Too many gimme turnovers because our big guys are being forced to dribble a lot. Again, basketball IQ killing us, we should be winning.
Makes the lineup smaller, but wouldn’t mind a Starks-Nelson-Barton-Moreland-Brandt for majority of second half. Another ball handler, defense will be good, outside shooting and quickness.
Somebody mentioned it after one of the earlier beav games and it’s becoming magnified tonight. Collier isn’t a sixth man. He’s a player that’s at his best when letting the game come to him, not coming off the bench and making things happen. Hopefully Coach Rob changes it up so Burton or Moreland are the sixth man in the near future because Colliers one of best players and we can’t waste his talent by playing him out of his comfort zone.
Players eventually adjust, but ideally Moreland would be the guy to come off the bench. Energetic guy and he’s come off the bench before. Think he would be fine in that role. Much more comfortable than Collier, I think.
Exactly. It just makes more sense to play a guy who would play well off the bench right away than play a guy that isn’t suited for that role and hope he adjusts.
Beavs cant handle Bama’s full court press. Just dont ever seem ready for it even though they face it on every possession.
Because full court press thrives on pressuring players with low bball IQ into making stupid decisions…You beat the press by having smart ball handlers (i.e. Nate Wolters for South Dakota St.) to which we have none.
Garbage ball…brought to you by OSU…2nd half start.
yes sir. pathetic effort to open the 2nd half. Alabama made an adjustment at halftime and is spreading the floor. As usual, we do nothing but stand around and watch
Beavs look poorly coached tonight. How many time have players stepped on sidelines while receiving a pass?. Or dribbled out of bounds, or traveled? Repeatedly making mental mistake. bama plays full court defense and we let them walk up the floor uncovered.
another OSU sports embarrassment on national television.
Burton is lazy and should be our 13th man. We our poorly coached and have no ball handlers, looks like a long year for us.
Lacy’s 3 pt shooting the difference in this. Repeatedly wide open and repeatedly stroking it.
turning it off now, gonna do something else.
Single digit game with 7:30 left. Did u give up too easily?
I know better, this is not a well coached team ultimately. Keep an eye on the long run. Same with Riley. I’m glad I’m not watching right now.
Tonight is the first time I’ve watched Beav’s hoops.
Real sloppy, and the defense/rebounding is worse than last year. I can’t believe how easy ‘Bama is driving the lane.
makes me wonder why I even watch. Same thing every year.
Story of the game wil be Lacey vs Lazy
Nice little run. 5 pt game 6:00 to go. Damn free throws!
oh my gosh, I’m shocked, free throws are a problem.
Collier and Moreland. Nobody else is missing.
Collier, again. He’s missed 4 free throws and has 3 turnovers at least. Pretty much the difference in the game. His turnovers have been killers too.
jesus fucking christ. Collier and Burton have no fucking business bringing the ball up the floor. Lazy passing
How is landing on Tue floor with the rebound traveling?
It was a clear as day foul. Beavers got a make up call on the other end where Brandt fouled Lacy but no call.
what was the Beavs post season last year, I can’t honestly remember.
have we seen the transformation of Joe Burton as a player in 4 yrs. at all? At all? In any way?
4 pt game 3:30 left. Lacey out
Did Brandt considering moving forward to grab the loose ball?
no shit. Other than Moreland it seems no one moves their feet
Ball handling is awful. And when will Nelson grow some balls and start looking for his shot? Nothing changes
2 pts 1:30 to go
Typical beaver finish. Bama hits 3. Beavs cant find a shot so coach calls timeout and starks hits 3 after whistle. Do we get a good shot with 5 seconds left after timeout? Doubtful
A bad three point shooter makes it too for ‘Bama.
nope. we got our 20th turnover. Unforced as well. Typical of CR’s teams. Is anyone else tired of seeing the same fucking mistakes over and over and over?
Robinson post game will be “I loved the way we fought” bla bla
Typical OSU Bullshiite.
absolute fucking horseshit. Alabama is not that good. Middle of the road SEC team at best. A fundamentally sound team would have run them out of the gym. I am sick and fucking tired of seeing poor fundamentals out of CR’s teams. Unforced turnovers, guys don’t move their feet. The one that pisses me off the most is when someone comes flying in and gets an offensive reboound because our guys just stand there waiting for the ball to come to them. EABOD Robinson. You suck as a coach because the talent is there.
What a way to transition from football season right into basketball season without skipping a beat!
When does baseball start?
It looks like they started trying only as time was winding down. A lot of standing around and letting ‘Bama run right past them until the last 7 minutes. It’s the “let’s hope they miss and the rebound bounces to us” defense. lol
exactly. good things started happening as soon as they decided to play some defense and make Bama think a little bit, but too little too late. Craig can recruit better than any of our recent coaches, but he still can’t coach better than any of them. Reminded me of a game last year (Stanford?) where Starks couldn’t handle the inbound pass for the final play and lost it out of bounds. It’s like it’s meant to be. And Roberto is worthless out there when he isn’t looking for his shot. Just fades to the corner and is lazy on defense. Kid has no confidence in himself. And Coach Robinson barking in his face after every bad play isn’t going to make it better.
Nice come back near the end of the game, but I expect this season to be similar to the other CR seasons. Our offense still looks like a bunch of kids playing street ball. We’ll beat below average and bad teams from our athleticism but that’s about it.
That’s what I saw, too.
Beavers played well the final 10 minutes, just missed about 3-4 wide open shots at the rim, hurt badly. During that time the Beavers turned it up a notch and woke up. Just can’t dig yourself a big hole and need everything to go right to win. Hopefully the players have learned and come out with more focus tomorrow.
have learned? They should know this already. I remember the same thing from the game against the Huskies in Seattle last January. I am sure there are countless others as well. When the same mistakes are being repeated they aren’t getting it. That’s on the coaching staff. They are what is holding this team back. Anyone been to a practice? Cause they could sure use some fundamentals drilled into their heads.
Coaches work on fundamentals constantly. Collier and Moreland made some pressure-packed free throws when OSU needed them, those are fundamentals, no? This is the first time this season the Beavers haven’t been finishing at the rim. I’m not going to blame the coaching staff for the players not making layups or making lazy passes. Sometimes it’s simply on the players to get it done when they’re in position to do their job.
how do you explain the constant unforced turnovers?
Players not getting it done. Collier came into the game out of control and wasn’t getting it done. Traveled, made some poor passes, Burton was slow to react to double teams, sometimes those just happen when a team adjusts. Sometimes player just don’t execute, like Moreland on Starks turnover. Beavers had 7 turnovers in the 2nd half compared to 12 in the first half. Only 4 turnovers the last 15 minutes of the game.
The players seemed to be going through the motions a bit the first 30 minutes, once Craig got in their faces a couple times and challenged them, they seemed to turn it up and started giving consistent effort on offense, defense and glass. I’ll say that them not coming out more focused and energized should be on Craig a bit, needs to be a motivator, but the players should also get blame for that. Their effort was poor and they know that.
I don’t get the criticism of the offense. They don’t play street ball, they throw it in the post and work out of that, or they run some back cuts. Offense looks worse when guys don’t finish at the rim or miss open shots. Some turnovers happened with ‘Bama doubling the post. Some bigs were slow to react to it and that led to turnovers, mostly Burton. Collier was out of control too often tonight. Just looked like he was trying too hard at times.
Again, if the players finished at the rim and some more outside shots were made, the offense doesn’t look so bad.
20 turnovers in a game is not good. Many of them unforced. You can’t paint that turd
You can paint that turd orange and black and call it beaver basketball…
Same shit as last year. No discipline rat ball. Burton should not play , Nelson needs to start being aggresive and our bigs need to go to the hoop rather than fade away and shoot hook shots.
The big guys did go to the hoop, there was 2 hook shots in the whole game. Collier missed like 5 layups, Brandt missed an easy one close to the rim. Them going to the rim isn’t the problem, finishing is.
That game just made it pretty likely yet another Robinson team that fails to get in the Big Dance. If Robinso is a real coach he will make real progress in Year 5. It is time to build this program into a winner. I won’t put up with this post the new $15 million Practice Facility. Big oppotunity wasted.
I was looking for some “Hope and Change” but I guess I just have to look “Forward.”
Chains you can believe in…
The Beavs rely on their talent and athleticism to win games. Problem is, when playing teams that are as talented and athletic, they are forced to use their heads. When they are forced to use their heads, bad things are going to happen. If this sounds familiar, it’s because it’s the same deal as last year, and every year since Coach Rob’s first year for that matter. Prepare yourselves guys, when Jack wakes up from his afternoon snooze were all going to be called idiots that know next to nothing about about the sport. Time to bunker down everybody!
What this guy said.
Although Barton looked very good this game, Hopefully he can keep this momentum going. Reid looks solid, hopefully he isn’t a bonehead like Burton, Nelson, Collier (this game) and Moreland et. al.
If Barton can stay solid I like the line-up of Starks, Barton, Moreland, Collier, and Brandt. With Reid the first off the bench. Pie in the sky.
Brandt isn’t a good player. He’ll have some nights where he puts up 15-20 points, but it’s not worth having a statue out there.
He’s the new Omari Johnson. Performs well against weaker opponents but ultimately is a soft player who disappears against quality competition.
10 points and 11 boards, a couple and 1 dunks in traffic, played some tough defense in the first half and in the 2nd half, but he’s “soft”. Okay.
I know GoBeavs, everyone on this team is All-Pac-12 caliber to you. But keep in mind Alabama has a glaring weakness in the frontcourt. He was constantly pushed off the block throughout the game and was motionless on quite a few Alabama offensive boards.
Did I say everyone was? Brandt had 3 offensive rebounds to lead the team, btw. Same issue Moreland had quite a few times, interesting you’re not calling him soft. Please stick to analyzing football.
I dunno I’ve been right about most things so far. Though I must admit it isn’t really that hard to analyze this team. Simply copy and paste comments about last years team! I do applaud your effort for trying to will this team to be as good as you say they are. Regarding the compliment on my football analysis, thank you and I will continue to analyze that sport as well if it pleases and sparkles with you.
Right, you’ve said they have low basketball I.Q. but when you tried to be specific about it said that missing a layup was one, Starks taking one fade away three was another example of low basketball I.Q. Makes me think you have no idea what it really means, you just say it cause you’ve heard it before. Interesting that when the Beavers play well you have nothing to say, they make some bad plays or lose and you love saying a lot. Wonder why that is. I hope the Beavers win tomorrow so I can see how creative you are with more complaints about how dumb the players are and how terrible Craig is. My guess will be you call it a fluke and the Beavers proved nothing.
they may very well win tomorrow. Purdue is probably a middle of the road B10 team just as Bama is to the SEC. But from what I have seen so far this team will continue to tread water just to get to .500 in conference play. Not a recipe to get to the NCAA tournament. When you make the same mistakes, they are no longer mistakes. I could be totally off base and things may turn out for the better. But given CR’s track record with his previous beaver teams I don’t see that happening. I do hope I am wrong though.
-20 turnovers=low basketball IQ
-Fadeaway 3-Pointers early in the shot clock=low basketball IQ
-Seeing the same press for the entire game and still not knowing how to handle it=low basketball IQ
-Joe Burton throwing no-look lasers all over the court instead of a simple chest or bounce pass=low basketball IQ
-Big men constantly pressing up the floor with the dribble instead of giving the ball to a guard to set up the offense=Low basketball IQ
-Joe Burton jumping into the air before making 75% of his decisions=Low basketball IQ
-Not knowing where your man is when the game is on the line=Low basketball IQ
-Falling behind by 5-7 points and abandoning the offense to go one on one and jack up 3s to try and get it all back in 1 minute, causing the deficit to balloon to 15=Low basketball IQ
Do you want more?
Also, when was the last time you saw Coach Rob draw up a play at the end of a game that actually worked? Rather how many times has that play even resulted in a clean look?
Bama’s a top four SEC team. And now that I’ve seen many SEC teams play this year I think that was a more than solid pick by the experts.
Florida is my favorite in that league this year. They look good.
yes but he is an upgrade over kevin mcshane. Not by much but an upgrade none the less.
Okay, but who else would you throw out there? Reid? Nelson?
Options start to get pretty thin. At least he can space the floor. I would have agreed with you last year, he looks to have dedicated himself to rebounding early on this year plus he is the best shooter on the team.
I agree Angry and I’ ll say we really don’t have any good players. Starks is not a pt gd but a streak shooter who was a total non factor tonight. Burton should not play more than 5 min a game. Collier i was hoping would step up and be a player but he is so inconsistent and Moreland and Nelson are average at best.
I think we have a few good players. But their basketball IQ is subpar. To me that rests squarely on CR’s shoulders. This team doesn’t seem any different to me than last year. Somewhat athletic and quick, but make too many bonehead mistakes to take it to the next level in the Pac-12. My guess is we are somewhere from 6th to 8th in the conference again this year. Probably enough to give CR a contract extension if he hasn’t gotten one already.
I think we lose tomorrow to either Purdue or Villanova they are better prepared and better coached.
unfortunately I agree
I think it’s safe to assume we’ll lose to any decent team we play until we beat one. Could be awhile.
There’s Beavsbeavsbeavs with that hard hitting analysis again.
1 and 1 on November 15th. Abandon ship! All is lost! This is the worst team in history! We won’t win 10 games all year. Let’s cancel the season!
I’m the furthest thing there is from a pollyanna….but really. It’s way too soon to panic. JB
PS: I forgot….. Beaver fans…..PANIC!
If OSU is going to “take the next step” as they say, games like these need to be won.
100% spot on. I am starting to no longer think CR is the guy that is going to get us over the hump. I wasn’t as skeptical before, but 3 games into the season and I am still seeing the same bonehead mistakes that I’ve seen the last few years from the same players who are now juniors and seniors. Burton is a trainwreck and I cringe everytime he gets the ball. Reminds me of Daniel Deane the turnover machine. Nelson was supposed to be the savior. Savior of what, I don’t know because I’m not sure he would play at all at most other Pac-12 schools. Gomis? Since I’ve never seen him play and he is always hurt I am guessing he is either bigfoot or the 2nd coming of Greg Oden.
2-1* And you’re right we should all calm down. Given Coach Rob’s rich history for success a turnaround is surely just around the corner!
“CBI, CBI, CBI”
There actually 2-1. I know with you being Jerry Pettibone and all. wins are not easy to recognize!
OSU needed to pound it low on offense and not sit in a zone and give open looks to Bama’s perimeter players. And they needed to check Bama coming out of the half in order to slow their gameplan.
It’s like we had a scouting report on them, and 30 minutes into the game, Coach Rob finally asked to see it. Bigs playing guard in the open floor? Playing zone against a dribble entry perimeter team?
Refs sure liked calling travel a lot. I’ll have to watch it again, but I thought only Barton taking Euro steps was the correct call on the refs’ part out of about six early travel calls. Our guys getting raked for TO’s is going to happen when one team is more aggressive. The refs just tend to call games to allow more aggressive play. You either adapt or die.
But half our TO’s came when bigs handled the ball in the open court and we tried to beat the press up the edges. You just don’t do that. I honestly don’t know if it’s ever been done before so we can point to empirical data about not letting bigs play guard. But it seems somewhat common sense. Bigs go to the middle of the court and set up like they’re on the blocks, get the ball, turn and pass through to advance into the front court. That there is some old-timey press breakin’ stuff.
Pomeroy isn’t updated, but we should rise just for playing Bama. If it makes any of you feel better, Bama is going to be a Tourney team. And that was the best they’ve played so far. And if recruiting is your thing, everyone on that team except the 7’0″ Swede who fouled out was a four or five star talent coming out of high school. Lacey was supposed to be one and done.
What’s with this two and done crap Trevor?
It could be worse. If any of you stuck around to watch Purdue and Nova, you saw truly one of the worst games ever. I don’t think I’ve seen that many free throws taken in one game ever. I’m serious about that. Without looking, I’m guessing there were about 75 FT’s in that game. And still nobody could make a shot from the floor.
The loss of Cunningham is killer.
The only way I see this team doing well is if a young guy steps up soon and becomes a star. Otherwise I think it’s out-athleting inferior teams and going ballistic on offense for a few wins versus good teams. Their D/rebounding won’t win them any games, and that’s how good teams do it, especially in close games. Despite all the turnovers tonight, I think the rebounding and easy penetration is what cost the game.
They had a deer-in-headlights look for the first 30 minutes. When they settled down and did play defense and box out, they shut Bama down. That’s on Coach Rob. He should have made those adjustments at the half instead of allowing our players to play aggressive lanes and try for shot blocks.
The loss of Cunningham did hurt us early in this season because we have no sure go-to guy when we just need a play. But it looks like different players are stepping up in different games. I just wish Devon would have got going before the last eight minutes.
The loss of Cunningham did hurt us early in this season because we have no sure go-to guy when we just need a play.
I think they miss the steals (to negate their own turnovers), defense/tenacity, and quality minutes (his insane conditioning) more than being the go to guy on offense. Offensively they should be okay.
A couple things on Devon;
1) He needs to start. Aside from the fact that Burton sucks, his game isn’t built for a sixth-man role.
2) If he gets his free throw % into the mid 70s, he’ll be all conference with how easily and often he gets to the line.
He can be our go to guy night in, night out but Coach Rob needs to get him off the bench and back into his comfort zone in the starting 5.
I have to wonder if what we saw from Devon from the start of the season until midway through the second half is what he’s been doing in practice. If that’s the case, then nobody in their right mind starts him.
If he’s out of his funk and controls defense and demands the ball on offense (and finishes) then yes, put him on the floor.
Did you just jinx a kid who’s shooting 15 for 20 from the line on the year? Don’t do that!
Pomeroy is up. We drop one to 67, and Bama climbs one to 33. Nova climbs from 65 to 59. And Purdue is still getting love only dropping from about 39 to 45.
This is why I scream for better scheduling every year. It’s not just because I’m a selfish bastard who wants to see compelling sport rather than some of the crap that passes for sport these days. That’s a completely different argument.
this was a tough one. bama was begging us to take this game from them in the last 7min, just begging us! and we just flat out didn’t want it bad enough. these mental errors and unforced turnovers along with one of the most basic fundamental concepts in basketball – when the shot goes up, find your man and box him out! wtf is up with this team not being taught this? collier needs to start, i really like his game – he’ll come around. roberto needs to get more agressive, i have lots of patience for players i think have talent but even i am growing tired of his game (or lack of it). hello CBI!
CR should have run the ball more in the second half…………sorry wrong sport
Same concept. Sitting in a zone and trying to block shots is what cost them the run to start the second half. Once they went back to man, were on the shooters off the pass and stopped hopping at every shot that went up, they ran it down Bama’s throat. I don’t think Bama got another offensive board after that.
The key to stopping outside shooters isn’t to run out on them after they find their spots. It’s to know where their spots are and to have a man in their business as soon as they catch the ball. When you let a shooter choose shot without thinking, they’re going to make it most of the time. When you make him think about the shot, pull it down, think about the drive, pump fake, hesitate then try to make a move, the percentages drop immensely. Then you’re going to see more dribble entry. There’s not much the defender can do to stop the dribble entry against teams geared that way. So what the defender has to do is shadow the guy to limit his angles while the bigs stay home and make the guy shoot over them. The shadow is responsible if the entry man stops for a jumper. The point is to make him force a play on the move. If his angles are limited and the bigs stay home and don’t lose leverage by jumping for the block, then your perimeter defenders should also have the freedom to cover their assignments outside.
Devon lost leverage on that last trey Bama made. He was there before the entry, but he tried to come from the offside for what he thought was going to be another runner. When the pass kicked out to his man, he was stuck with his choice to drop. He should have let the bigs and the shadow force the entry man to take the low percentage shot like they had been doing for the last eight minutes.
and the coach could have managed the last timeout better . . . .oops, still the wrong sport
Not really. We had 12 seconds when we got the ball, and five seconds is not the right time to call one. I think it was smart to just play on and see what we could get. Taking a TO at that point would only allow them to talk about it and foul before we took a shot.
It is an absolute crime that Collier is not starting. Why would we not start our best player? Also I love the offense with Berto running it. The guy sees the floor better than everyone on the team. Also I agree this team has moved past really needing Burton. His best asset (and arguably only asset) is his playmaking. Bring him in off the bench run some stuff through him on the high post, take advantage of that different look, then get him back out and run the ball back through the guards and low post. CR is as bad as Romar but he isn’t exactly managing this team to victories.
The problem with Devon is that he wasn’t our best player until he decided to become so in the middle of the second half yesterday. He coasted through the first game, and he let NMSU take the game to him in the second. I imagine everyone else here was probably scratching their heads like me watching him do funky stuff with the ball in the first half and continue his poor play early in the second.
But I agree, if he’s finally turned it on, then he should be on the floor at all times. But it’s Moreland who should be coming off the bench. His spacing is still a little off, and he tries too much to make the big play on defense instead of staying home. Once the scheme changed and he did all that in the second half, he was in position to just drag the boards down.
Except for this stupid “Joe is a PG in the back court” garbage, Burton is consistent. That consistency puts him on the floor to start. I think his conditioning is what takes him off the floor in the later stages of each half though. And that’s where you want Moreland’s energy and athleticism to come in and make a difference. Moreland will get more minutes, but he’s not a player who can play a consistent role from the start. He needs to come in off the bench and change the game until he gains the experience to play within himself to start a game.
And I agree with Berto having good vision. After he and Ahmad made their first treys, Bama remembered that they both could shoot, and they adjusted to stop them. Berto did a good job of seeing the post entry and backside cuts. Ahmad didn’t run into the mid-range, and that’s why he created nothing. Part of that is because his entry lane was doubled off most of the night and Moreland’s spacing was too tight. When you’re doubled off on top and you only have one other perimeter pass option, you need to clear out the lane and try to iso your bigs to relieve congestion. Moreland would come out for top screens, and he would miss the screen then drop into traffic. He seemed to be in the way a lot yesterday.
I think Devon had a tough game yesterday because he was playing in his home state and was trying too hard to show out for the hometown fans. However, his aggression in attacking the basket was beautiful. If he can keep that aggression all year and just make those gimme layups like he did last year, he can be a star.
I figured he was focused on something other than the game. That was pretty obvious. But he also allowed Coach Menzies to take him completely out of the last game as well.
He’s by far my favorite player on this team, so I hope he finally took that metaphorical first hit on the season, and now he has his game face on.
I turned it off with about 15 minutes to go in the game, Beavs down by 13 and then Collier missed the cripple from 2 feet on an inbounds play. They had 16 turnovers by that time, and I was surprised to see that they came back and only lost by a few. Starks had 3 points at the time, and it was several minutes after Burton tried to dribble down the side of the lane and had the ball stolen. Couldn’t take it any more. Same dumb mistakes that have plagued them in recent years. Almost vomited early in the 2nd half when Moreland missed two free throws badly: one well short and the other off the right side of the rim, immediately followed by a foul on Burton on the rebound. Sound familiar??
Handicap analysis for today’s game: (No play)
Like Oregon State a bit, but rebounding off Alabama’s defense is tough. Not sure how Purdue shows up after the meltdown last night.
The good news is Bama is the best team in the tournament, and will probably smoke Villanova today. We should beat Purdue. The key here will be Ahmad Starks against Purdue’s freshman PG. Starks should eat him alive today, if he does, then we win fairly easily, if not, then we’ll struggle. Everyone’s talking about what could have been against Bama if we could have just cut our turnovers in half. I think we see that today. A loss to Bama sucks, but it likely won’t be frowned upon at the end of the year if (IF!) were battling for the tourney, a loss to Purdue, however, would be. Today is a must win.
Agreed that Starks should rule today. But the TO’s weren’t the whole reason we lost. The reason we had TO’s was the reason we lost. Coach Rob spent most of the first 30 minutes trying to finesse the edges when he should have shoved it down the middle of Bama’s D.
The best way to beat the press is to move it with passes up the middle. When you try to dribble up the edges, the sideline becomes another defender. When you run the offense through the high post or hit bigs who have obvious leverage advantages from the top, your options increase… and you take the sideline out of the equation. Too often we saw the ball skip to the corner and guys getting trapped to the baseline. That sidepost extended works against a zone, not a pressing man. Unless you go full triangle, you’re stuck.
I wonder if we see that sidepost extended work more in league play since Pac coaches think we are weak from the perimeter and sit in zones because they believe we’ll play down as in past years. It doesn’t look like our guards are deficient against a zone this year though. Pac foes will have to man up, and we have talent advantages against everyone in league at several varying spots. I think teams like Zona and CU are the tough ones with the couple special players they do have which out-talent three or four players on every team. And Cal has Monty running the show and Crabbe, who can just score. UCLA is an undisciplined mess who will lose more head-scratchers than their fans will want to believe.
CU had a quality win against Baylor. That as much as anything helps our SOS. UW losing to Albany is the only non-quality loss thus far.
Snow College DT Siale Hautau committed.
holy crap! THAT’S 310 pounds?
Is that his brother Ofa playing with him or just a coincidence with the last name?
As an equally intense Purdue fan, my torn loyalty game has finally arrived, and I’m feeling torn. I don’t want Purdue to be 1-3, but they have several other quality ooc games to make up for the loss coming up. I’m hoping it’s a close, hard fought battle with the Beavs edging out at the end. A Beavs win would mean more than a Purdue win. Purdue is definitely able to drop turds in the last minute of a game, too.
If the Beavs can match Purdue’s intensity, they should be able to hang with them since the Boilers are shooting like there’s a carnival rim on the board. Purdue is often out rebounded, too. They will be PO’d after getting hosed last night, and each player had fewer minutes on the court, so there will be less recovery needed. Essentially the whole bench, 11 guys, scored last night. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that happen in a close game.
I’m thinking Mizzou is happy Painter didn’t go there. That team looks like a mess without Hummel.
There wasn’t any good defense in that game (and the refs were calling a foul a minute), yet both teams manged to shoot absolutely pathetic numbers.
I like the Byrd kid and the younger Johnson brother. The older Johnson can play a bit too, but there’s not much there. Painter should have done more than take a bunch of Plan B’s from Indy when he had the chance. If he can’t get into Chicago to take anyone other than a player Ahmad beat out in high school practices, he’s fried.
It’s going to take most of the season for the team to develop into something and a couple years to get into the ‘really good’ category. The 3 new kids this season were in the top 85-95 range.
Both Byrd and the older Johnson are streaky, but it’s nice when they’re on. I think Terone Johnson is a worse free throw shooter than Moreland.
Don’t think it doesn’t chap every Boiler ass that the clown at IU pulls in the top recruits. I still can’t figure it out, but again I was raised to hate IU and Bobby Knight made that easy.
Game is on, I’m just waiting for the Beavs to start playing
Team looks like it’s their first game together, even though they all saw significant time together last year. It’s like they’re still trying to find their safety valve named Jared.
Great start!…and then Burton started getting the ball.
Does a “lead cap” apply to OSU basketball in the way Angry’s “win cap” applies to OSU football?
It’s like every time they get a lead, they suddenly can’t make the easy shots and lay it up off the side of the rim.
You’re not a hoops fan, are you?
I’m watching them mid-day on a Friday, streaming on my desktop, so I guess not
I guessed. It’s not a game where you can reset after every five second play. It’s fluid and always working. Runs happen always. That, death and taxes are true.
not sure what a fluid working process has to do with guys laying the easy shots off the side and or bottom of the rim? See Devon Collier @ the 16:30 mark. I guess we’re experiencing one of those runs where we don’t score and the other team does. thanks for explaining.
god Burton is worthless. I am really tired of the circus shots he tries to throw up. Collier had a great stretch in there. Need to start feeding the ball inside to him more. Purdue is not better than the Beavs.
Which one? Did he take a shot during a break that only you could see?
Beautiful first half. Everything people were expecting from the beavs this year was present in that half (including Burton sucking ass). Only negative I saw was Moreland got caught ball-watching and gave up a few buckets. Other than that flawless IMO.
7 turnovers. Still need to cut down on those. IF the beavs can keep TO’s at no more than 10-12 per game they’ll be in good shape. Purdue is not a good team. How they led Villanova by 8 with a minute left is beyond me. Beavs better blow them out in the 2nd half. Take care of the ball and they will
Great first half by OSU. Beavers have dominated the glass, Collier has been fantastic and the Beavers are limiting Purdue to 31.3% shooting. Nice job to build off the back end of the 2nd half last night and come out strong today.
That shot defense is nothing out of the normal thus far. This defense is looking good this year.
LMW needs to play A LOT more. That kid is smooth on both ends.
I agree. The only time the shot defense was poor was really the first 10 minutes of the second half yesterday when the guys were being lazy. It’s gonna be pretty good this season aside from that
They were soft in the first half yesterday too. But the second half of the Bama game was because we were in and out of zones that didn’t work. We were chasing the pass after two passes.
That’s what she said.
Maybe some of you guys should start to just watch one player at a time. And I don’t mean that as something I would tell an ignorant person. I do it all the time. Hoops has a flow to it. Players come and go within that flow. Coaches adjust to stop them and force someone else to take control. If you find the flow, you find the player. If you watch the player, you know what the game is all about.
Comments in here amount to ragging on a baseball player for not batting .500 in every game.
I’ve been doing that with Burton. A one legged retard could throw up the same circus shots and miss them.
And yet, you’re talking about one shot that i have yet to see on a season of shots.
Humor has to have a grain of truth to be funny. Try finding it.
if you haven’t seen any of those shots you haven’t been watching Burton. dribbling under the basket then attempting and up and under reverse layup attempt while not looking at the basket with more than one guy guarding the basket is what I am referring to. He does it every game. More than once. Why do you defend him? His defense is terrible, rebounding is suspect and is turnover prone.
It’s not worth the attempt, Gdub. You can throw examples and facts at him all you want. He’ll just counter back with arrogant statement about your basketball knowledge or accusations of you being a duck fan. We’re dealing with a very special kind of troll.
I am not a duck fan nor a troll. I truly love the beavs and want to see them succeed. I just don’t understand why Burton is still playing and anyone defend his play. Has he improved at all in the 4 years he’s been here?
The refs are out of control right now.
I have no clue how you call a tied possession while the ball is in the air.
These must be the same refs from the late game yesterday. They are inconsistent and highly visible.
The officials have been awful in the games at MSG. Collier clearly fouled, no call, Purdue gets a foul call on the other end with less contact.
I hope this game doesn’t come down to coaching , if so we are in trouble.
And the beavs are back! The refs are terrible, yes, but they’re getting a lot of help from the beavs. I would say fuck Joe Burton, but it’s been a collective effort to let Purdue back in the game. What’s ridiculous is that LMW and Reid are looking like the most composed players out there.
LMW is pretty awesome. Reid is ok. I have no clue why you hate Burton. I just chalk it up to an emotional tick.
Not tall enough or strong enough to compete in the post. Not quick enough, fast enough, and doesn’t have the dribbling ability to compete on the wing. These problems could be relatively covered up by being a high motor guy but all you get is a 50-50 chance he gives a good effort on a given play. While he possesses better than average vision, he counters that with terrible decision making. His go-to move is to dribble himself underneath the backboard, pick up his dribble, and then just “wing it” from there. Those are just a few of my reasons for disliking Joe Burton.
How about the turqouoise shoes?
did a sniper just shoot Brandt in the knee?
Probably an ACL, he’s toast. All sadness aside for Brandt, this just spiked the amount of minutes Burton will get. We’re in some serious trouble.
Thanks for the joke at an injured player’s expense.
Double down since it’s just a stupid premise to start.
Not a joke. The player that came on after brandt subbed out was Burton, who promptly turned the ball over and committed an and-1 foul after not boxing out Hammond. Perhaps i’m wrong on the ACL, I sure fucking hope so because Brandt is the only big man besides Collier that is an offensive threat.
Wow, that is bad for Angus.
whoa. hope brandt is ok. That looks to be a serious knee injury
hopefully a dislocation or a sprained knee, but i have no idea about that stuff, he isn’t putting any pressure on his right leg
Looks much more serious than a dislocated knee. Season is likely over for him. That was hard to watch. Beavers really couldn’t afford to lose Brandt. No depth behind him right now. Beavers will have to go with a 3 guard lineup most times now.
you’re probably correct, this is why I am hoping
Maybe it’s just a dislocated knee cap without any ligament damage. Those hurt like hell but in 2 days you’re fine.
We can hope that is the case. He’s a guy OSU really can’t afford to lose. But my feeling is it is severe, unfortunately. Hope I’m wrong.
I’m usually in denial for the first 24 hours, then I start to accept that it’s probably a blown ACL.
…And right on cue. NCAA mentioned a lead cap, and while that may have been an exaggeration, he was on the right track. What this program will suffer from this year is a “Burton Cap.” So long as Joe Burton plays 10+ minutes, we aren’t going to the postseason.
I’m starting to think you’re a Duck fan.
FightingBeaver? Is that you?
Dumb can’t take over this blog no matter how hard you try.
Just not a beaver homer. I don’t get why you will fight to the death with everyone on this blog for Joe Burton. Is he a close friend? A relative? Are you Joe Burton or coach Robinson? Those are the only 3 reasons I can think of for completely ignoring his deficiencies.
Specious as well.
guess we’re not calling 3 seconds anymore
I just cringe everytime Burton gets the ball. Especially when he’s close to the basket. Moreland bailed us out with that shot. Moreland for 3???? Seriously??? He had missed every shot he’d taken until that one. wow
turnovers in 1st half – 7
turnovers in 2nd half – 12
will this team ever learn to take care of the ball?
Purdue is not a good team. Turn the ball over 20 times yesterday and 19 today. Do that against a good team and we get blown out big time. I’m glad we won but jesus watching our team is frustrating
Thank you for objective stats.
It’s been lacking.
just call em like I see em
That’s not the definition of objective or the nature of stats. But I appreciate them nonetheless. Others may not, but I do.
Beavers survived. Too many turnovers, Starks and Nelson need to play a lot better. Starks had a rough two games. Couldn’t hit shots and turned it over. He hits a couple of his threes and the game never gets so close. Brandt injury is tough for both him and the team. OSU’s depth is extremely thin in the front court now. Only 3 big men in rotation now. Have to go to a majority 3 guard line up. Burton has to spell Collier and Moreland at times. I wouldn’t mind seeing Reid in the starting lineup at the 3. Good rebounder and defender.
Guys are going to have to step up now. Feel awful for Angus. I hope it’s not as serious as I think it is.
should find out next week about Gomis and if he will be cleared to play
Getting Gomis would be big. Needs some depth and he’s an athletic shot blocker. Need all the depth they can get now.
Some rotation changes I hope to see by conference play:
LMW taking over Barton’s minutes or at least a split between the two: He’s a better defender than Barton and whole helluva lot more confident and composed as well.
Burton slowly being phased out of playing time: If Brandt is done for the year, I hope for Collier to take his minutes, Reid takes Collier’s minutes and Burton can see the spot time that Reid has seen. When Gomis gets back and healthy hopefully he’ll be good enough to take over for Burton.
So you want to cut Devon’s minutes and play Reid for 30?
You’re not even watching these games?
No I messed up in the divvying up of minutes but you get the idea. Take Burton’s minutes away and give Reid a lot more. Neither are much of a threat offensively but Reid understands how to play within himself and is a huge upgrade defensively. What people may not have noticed from last nights game is that a lot of our 15 point comeback against Bama came with Reid checking Lacy and shutting him down.
For the two minutes Reid comes in late in each half for that game, Joe is already sitting. That’s why Reid comes in… to spell Collier and Moreland.
I’m not really fighting what you think might be good line-ups and delegations of time. But the bases for your arguments for and against certain players are not meshing with reality.
Do you even have a clue?
“LMW taking over Barton’s minutes or at least a split between the two: He’s a better defender than Barton and whole helluva lot more confident and composed as well.
Burton slowly being phased out of playing time: If Brandt is done for the year, I hope for Collier to take his minutes, Reid takes Collier’s minutes and Burton can see the spot time that Reid has seen. When Gomis gets back and healthy hopefully he’ll be good enough to take over for Burton.”
There. Now you can’t edit it.
Haha I don’t have an account. You may need to step away and do some jumping jacks or something. People here are just takin’ bball, if you don’t agree with what they say, try throwing some insight in there to enlighten the debate instead of getting so angry at everyone. No need to troll so much, we’re all friends here.
Well… your imagination is just wacky when you just make up stuff and lay it all out as if it’s some obvious truth.
I love that LMW, Reid and Robbins all were mixed in early to get quality minutes. I also love that Reid and LMW got extended minutes in the second half. I think our five frosh are key to this year’s success, and I think they’re the best class we’ve had in terms of talent since the late 70’s/early 80’s.
But I’m not going to conflate a couple mistakes with NINE-HUNDRED-THOUSAND MISTAKES AND FOUR STAINS ON THE FABRIC OF HUMANITY… and then present my argument for anything, let alone how to divvy up playing time.
Your blind rage against Burton is just silly. On Thursday you ranted about his circus shots… when he didn’t miss any of the technically sound lay-ups he took. You’ve railed against Barton for some imaginary crimes he’s apparently committed. But none of the stats or eye-witness accounts supports your weird ramblings. There are others who share your hallucinations. But they offer little more than you do.
About all you can say about either is that they’re not the stars of the team, not expected to be, are role players who do solid work in spot minutes… and Joe should never dribble the ball in anything but a bttb situation.
Actually, you can see that Barton has really developed nicely from year one to two. He’s a pretty cool customer on both ends this year. And watching him with LMW yesterday was some good stuff. The two of them together will be one pretty awesome back court in the future. And adding Cooke next year only makes them better.
Not too worried about Cal. Riley knows how to clean up on the games he is expected to win. Wish he would do more to win the big games that mean much more, but it has been the Riley formula and after this long it doesn’t look like it will deviate too much. Can’t honestly fathom Riley barely calling any run plays in the 4th quarter. To me it appears Langsdorf is likely calling over half the plays. I think Langs unfortunately told Riley he could do it, but in reality he can’t because being pass happy in the 4th is a recipe for losing. We could use some style points in this one to keep our very remote BCS Bowl hopes flickering. Key for Mannion will be stepping into his throws and making them sharp. Only 63 seats left for this one. Based off how this has been working that is likely to mean we eclipse a sellout by about 200 seats and should get 45,850+ through the gates. That is exactly what Beaver Nation needs to keep doing for an official Reser Phase 3 announcement to happen.
Oregon State vs California:
Gotta say I disagree with your assessment of the ‘Riley formula’. I feel like historically each year we lose at least one game that leaves everybody scratching their head with a ‘wtf?’ look on their face. Likewise we always seem to win one ‘big game’ that nobody thought we had a chance.
I agree it should be yet another sell out though which is great because recruits seem to be loving the energy of the Reser crowd based off of their post-visit comments. Anybody know which recruits will be at the game Saturday?
I don’t consider wins that get you to a mediocre bowl at best to be “Big” wins. Maybe nice wins but not Big. Hoping RIley and OSU get their breakthrough year soon and this should have been it. It will end up a mild improvement as most agree the Holiday Bowl in the Pac-12 is only fractions better than the Sun Bowl in the Pac-10. I think it is tad better than that as San Diego is much nicer than El Paso and the stadium and Bowl have a much better quality event aura. Still, it is not the Big Leap that boosts a program in just about every way like a Rose Bowl. If Riley can do more of these fast starts we should be on the cusp atleast for the next couple years. Really thought Wheaton deserved a Rose Bowl. He would have been a certain OSU Hall of Famer. He still could very well be, but the remembrance won’t be quite the same despite his considerable talents.
I laugh at the don’t take Cal lightly crowd. First off, this game doesn’t mean much. Difference between the Sun and Holiday or if we are very lucky the Alamo. I won’t totally begrudge that but if we lose this one we deserve the lousy Sun Bowl. Where was this cautiousness when people were predicting us blowing out Washington? UW has been the thorn in our sides for our most special seasons and people were dancing in the clouds. Never mind that if we beat UW we could have lost to Stanford and still essentially been guaranteed the Rose Bowl. Get excited about earning another win, but realize we are not the headlining act anymore.
Cal is horrible. I for one am not worried. With an inexperienced qb I expect him to struggle against our D. The only thing that makes this one close is if Mannion struggles and we turn it over. Cal has turned the ball over 26 times so they are good for 3 turnovers per game. I am thinking we win something like 28-7.
I expect a win, comfortable at that, too. Riley has no pressure to win, that’s when he’s at his best.
Our weekly tailgate is set up and we’re already deep into our supply of Aviation gin. Angry, I know you like a good gin, and BeavGoph we could use your calming Beaver-grad influence, at least until we get the waffle machine working tomorrow morning.
Cornhole world championships start at 9am tomorrow with the grand finals next Sat.
I’m doing an Angrybeavs report from Lincoln Nebraska. Mighty Gophers preparing to crush the interlopers from the Big 8/12 LOL. Sucks that the CFB season is winding down.
I hope your last sentence refers to the beanbag toss game. If not, practice safe cornhole for the sake of your wife.
I have a question.
When did washers turn into bean bags? I haven’t tailgated in a while, but washers was always fun and cheap to make. I’ve seen cornhole set-ups with lights and decorations, and they’re huge targets and must be bulky to store.
Brandt’s knee will be evaluated when the team gets home later today, and an MRI is set for tomorrow. Little birdie told me this is an “I felt something tear” situation, not an “I felt something pop” one.
Thats’ too bad for Brandt. I liked his start to the season. Does he have a red shirt or can he get another year if this is a serious injury?
Jack, please tell me Vandy is way down this year, Ducks detroyed them yesterday.
Vandy is WAAAAAYYYYY down. They just lost three guys to the pros, and their other starters and their sixth man were seniors as well. Their court experience consists of two juniors six sophs (two walk-ons) and six true frosh…
…oh… and one really really potty-mouthed coach.
I can’t stand Kevin Stallings, and apparently he was worse than any Duck fan at the TTATT last night.
Not to make light of the situation whatever the outcome – but I was amused by the Purdue player nearest Angus at the time. He (the Purdue player) hadn’t been in contact at all but during the split second that Brandt fell to the floor, the Purdue player stepped back, threw his arms up and tried to get the official’s attention. Body language = I didn’t touch him – don’t blame me!
I was listening on the radio and the announcer (Burke?) was sure Brandt had been fouled/pushed and he was pissed about the traveling call before realizing how much pain Brandt was in. I watched the game later and Brandt’s reaction was like he had been shot in the kneecap, not good. I was reminded of Dan Marino’s achilled injury, just dropping back to pass and then suddenly tremendous pain..
Concerned about the overall level of emotion for the game. No one really seems up for it. Coaches, players and fans just seem to be going through the motions. Overconfidence?
Sending in a banged up former starter is cause for concern. What is plan B if Mannion is ineffective? What type of Cal team shows up? I don’t think they are very good, but will they play for Tedford or phone it in? JB
In Mannion we trust. I think he comes out on fire. The time spent as #2 should have been a very good learning expierence for him.
For whatever the reason I think players and fans are just disappointed that we lost 2 games we should or could have won. Sunny day might have raised spirits a little but not much.
I think the risk is the players overthinking “we’ve got to stay level”, and for lack of a better term, modulating their emotions too much.
Mannion has a great opportunity today. I suspect Riley will again seek to soften the run defense up with deep passes to Cooks/Wheaton.
If Mannion is ineffective, I think Riley has to tell the O-line, Woods and Ward, “We ARE going to run the ball. ” He’s abandoned the run too quickly already, and Vaz is not a viable alternative at this point IMO.
I am hoping Mannion has a great game, gets his groove back, and then goes out and has a great CW.
How are you gauging the players and coaches emotion? Seems like fan projection to me. Mannion “banged up”? He’s probably the most healed and rested player on the team at this point in the year.
Beavs own Cal again.
Thanks Dr. Freud. Where do I send your 5 cent fee? Also…double as an MD? Impressive! JB
That’s funny, because I’m a therapist. Pettibone’s intuition has always paid dividends. Put you’re 5 cents in your empty Beaver juice jug for a sunny day.
Arnold is very composed, thoughtful for a HS senior. Impressive he’s already planning early graduation and Master’s degree.
Looks like a great commitment from a mental standpoint.
To boost enthusiasm today rumor has it that the Randy the Logger is making a “surprise” appearance. I hope that’s not true…he is lame. JB
Why doesn’t Randy the Logger ever need Viagra?
‘Cause he’s always got wood!
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