30.Nov.2012 Oregon State @ Kansas

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  • homefry says:
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    First five minutes of the KS game–pretty funny listening to the KS TV announcers-every Beavers basket is followed by:” how did he make that?”

    looking good so far

  • mckalk says:
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    9-9 after five minutes despite about three stupid plays by Burton already. Of course it’s Jayhawk network announcers, complete homers.

  • homefry says:
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    KS shooting 73% after 8 minutes, only up three

  • homefry says:
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    starks feeling it tonight

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’m seeing way too many back door shots by Kansas

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Piss poor defense play too.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    A well coached team playing a not well coached team. Care to guess which is which?

  • mckalk says:
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    Roberto can’t beat this level of talent off of the dribble.

  • mckalk says:
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    I like this game because it will be an interesting measuring stick. This is not really even an elite Kansas team yet. We’ll see if the blowout commences or the Beavs can fight back.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    It’s getting to the point where playing Burton is a fireable offense. I can’t even fathom why he sees the floor at all. This joke should be a fucking walk-on at best. Excuse my anger but this team could actually be pretty good without him.

    • mckalk says:
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      Starks is doing a lot of selfish shit too. He’s become the definition of ball hog. I noticed that Roberto could have flipped it ahead to him for an easier shot on that steal, but he just kept the ball himself and luckily was fouled.

    • OneEyedKing says:
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      Because we’re already down 2 bigs and he facilitates the offense at least decently?

      He is a very flawed player, and can be completely frustrating. But a fire-able offense? Not really lol.

      • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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        I don’t understand why people think he can facilitate the offense. Against any opponent worth a damn he just makes bad decisions. Sure he makes slick passes against joke teams but that doesn’t mean he can facilitate the offense. Plus no words can describe how much of a liability he is on the defensive end.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Oh yeah I’m just loving watching Starks and the Beavs take low percentage shots while Kansas is taking much higher percentage shots.
    JUST FUCKING LOVING IT!!
    NOT!!!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Love it that Olaf just unloads when he’s open. Tree ties it up.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    While it most likely won’t matter tonight, I love lil’ Schaft’s shooting ability.

  • mckalk says:
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    I like Schaft, first “normal” looking three point shooter the Beavs have had in awhile. He could be a terror as he develops.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    The reffing hasn’t exactly been stellar tonight either.

  • mckalk says:
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    Looked like the refs “assumed” the foul on Moreland. No respect for the Beavs

  • mckalk says:
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    Wow, Beavs look better without Burton on the floor.

  • beav11 says:
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    Subscribing…

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Nice run by the Beavs. Hundley puts ucla back on top 14-7

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    Beavers look good. Not sure who the other player in the backcourt is for us right now, though. Also, Berto is jacking up long 3s.

    • Mud&Sticks says:
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      Beavs look good??

      Uhhhhh……

      Imo they look like a bunch of play ground players. Not well coached.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    Refs picking up the slack for Kansas late in the first…

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    Challie with a nice play at the end of the half to cut the lead to 3.

    Gotta be happy with that so far; right in position to beat #10.

  • mckalk says:
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    Weird first half, the Beavs have talent if they could ever play with discipline and intelligence consistently they might do something.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    Poor officiating, bad shot selection by the usual suspects, and unspectacular defense, yet the Beavs only down 3 at the half. If we clean it up we have a real shot at this one. But who here really believes we’ll clean it up in the 2nd?

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Beavs look better than anticipated. Joe looked good against Montana St but Mckalk is right about tonight. As the season progresses I think Olaf’s presence will open up the middle but the Beavs need to finish at the rim better or it won’t matter.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Team has actually finished fairly well at the rim, a couple of the misses were thanks to fouls that weren’t called.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers made their run with a Starks-Nelson-Reid-Shaftenaar-Moreland lineup. Brought some nice energy. Defense got better in the last 4 minutes of the half. Started getting their hands out in the passing lanes and forced tougher shots. Need Roberto to start knocking down some open shots. Nice position to be in against a team like Kansas. Just need to hang tough and make a run late.

    • Mud&Sticks says:
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      Sounds like it’s time for the coach to bring Burton back in.

      • mckalk says:
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        I like your sarcasm. Notice how everything is bogging down with Burton out there? Robinson found a rotation,now he needs to use it. I feel like the game is slipping away that quickly.

    • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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      Roberto needs to realize that backing up until your open isn’t a good technique to find an open look.

      • Mud&Sticks says:
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        But but think of what it will look like on a highlight film if one of them happens to drop.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    So Burton rides the pine while Reid gets to play…and we start doing well…weird…

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Stanford’s stadium half empty. How is your showcase Larry?

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      It’s a blackout, you just can’t see them. 14 all at the Farm

    • jasonthebeaver says:
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      31k fans in their 50k stadium for the rose bowl.
      WTF? How is this possible? This really caught me off guard.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    TD for ‘furd. 14 – 14

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    OSU is looking like they did in the 1st half. WTF!?!?!?!

    Oh yeah half time adjustments. I forgot.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    Burton lumbering around like a lost grizzly bear on that and-one layup lol what an athlete.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    Reffing is a fucking joke. Moreland is getting jobbed.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    All Beavs standing around outside the 3 point line and waiting for the clock to run down. I seem to recall that as being the way they played last year.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Deja Vu all over again. The same way a good bit of the 1st half went.

    What a fucking joke.

    No wait, it isn’t if you’re a Beav fan. It’s a pisser.

    Time to fire BDC.

  • mckalk says:
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    I’ve about given up on Roberto being a dependable three point shooter. He very rarely shoots in rhythm or makes smart decisions on when to shoot. He’s had a couple of out of this world performances, but tonight is more the norm.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Agree. He just looks like he should be a scorer though and I keep thinking that THIS is going to be his breakout game. Maybe I should face up to reality.

    • Mud&Sticks says:
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      But the coach thinks he’s a great player so how could mere fans possibly question the coach’s evaluation?

  • BeavGirl says:
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    These announcers hate the Beavs!

  • osu2008 says:
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    He’s getting to the line and making them though and they are only down 8 without Brandt who could have helped them. They need to quit making the turnovers and really tighten up the defense and allowing KU to get into transition.

  • osu2008 says:
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    why the hell is Barton in?

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Sit that fucking Burton DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mckalk says:
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    Wow, complete moving screen…where were the refs?

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Holy shit. The shot selection is nothing more than playground.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    Kansas, welcome to the playground.

  • osu2008 says:
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    If I were Robinson, I’d get rid of Barton at the end of the year as he has not improved from last year.

  • mckalk says:
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    These idiots think the Beavs are tired, they obviously know nothing about the Beavs style of play the last two seasons.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Olaf has a ways to go on the defensive end.

  • osu2008 says:
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    Minus Cunningham, these are the same guys that dropped 105 on fellow BIG XII team Texas and were the highest scoring team in the league last year. They just need to play smarter!

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    Kansas has gotten some nice home calls and no-calls. But we’re really just getting killed in the half-court, where their size and defense makes it impossible for our horrible offensive scheme to score outside of great individual efforts.

    In transition and when we play “Street-ball” style, we outplay them pretty handily. But in the half-court they look like a real team and we don’t.

  • mckalk says:
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    Is Collier ever going to develop a 12-15 foot jump shot? He has some very nice drives, but against longer teams like Kansas it’s a struggle. They are giving him that shot.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    What really pisses me off is the Beavs could be a very good team IF they played with discipline.

    But they don’t have the coaching necessary to make that happen.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    My espn3 feed is absolutely horrible

  • osu2008 says:
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    Glad to hear Ralph Miller mentioned by these dumbasses, but otherwise they are pretty shitty announcers.

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    Moreland looks more aggressive on offense off-the-ball. Much better than last year where he’d basically just stand out of the way or score off ORebounds.

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    My ESPN3 stream is also complete garbage. Was nice for a few minutes, but it has been 1-2 bars since then.

  • mckalk says:
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    This Kansas team needs that McLemore dude. Other teams need to go at him.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Are you guys getting the stream directly from espn or through first row?

  • mckalk says:
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    Anyone else notice how they are even slow to put the Beaver points up on the screen?

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    Burton with his CLASSIC “Get stuck under the baseline and backboard” trick, turnover. Horrible.

  • mckalk says:
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    Usual suspects make the usual plays at key times.

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    ANOTHER completely open bucket inside for Kansas. Collier or Burton is blowing their assignment every time.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Tree 17-14 at the half

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Coach Rob is up to his usual. It gets down to crunch time and he goes with his upper classmen.

    SIT BURTON DOWN!!!

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Nice interior D! I wish Jack would explain to us that the terrible interior D is actually great D, but we are too stupid to understand it.

  • osu2008 says:
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    CR really needs to work the clinics circut (as a student) and take pointers from other coaches during the summers.

  • mckalk says:
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    If these guys could just make smart decisions about 25% more, they might be an upper level P-12 team.

  • uncanny says:
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    Does Burton have any shot other than his wayward missile hook shot?

    His occasional brilliant passes are his only redeeming facet.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    Berto with the clutch missed bank shot!

  • mckalk says:
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    And then they get a nice rebound under the basket, but some (I couldn’t see who it was on this computer screen) tries to throw it out when they could have just calmly dribbled to the corner.

  • uncanny says:
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    This team plays its best basketball when they’re down by 5-15 points.

  • Beavergopher says:
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    If Burton was wearing the turqouoise shoes we would be killing Kansas.

  • osu2008 says:
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    Damn! Burton did not need to foul.

  • mckalk says:
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    So if Bill Self coached the Beaver players would they be a top 25 team and if CR coached these KU guys would they finish 9-9 in the P-12?

  • Beavergopher says:
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    We really miss Jared’s ability to get to the rim. I have better vertical than Nelson.

    • osu2008 says:
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      Think that OSU would still be in same boat even with Jared as other guys would not be as proactive as they have. Last year Would have like to have Angus, but can’t change that.

      • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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        Jared made everybody better. His ability to get to the rim and create his own shot kept the offense from going stagnant, the double teams he drew allowed many to have wide open looks, and his ability to be a one man fast-break kept guys like starks and berto from making dumb plays in transition. Not to mention his defensive abilities that were twice as good as anyone else on the roster. With him back and improved I think we would have been much better this year.

    • mckalk says:
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      And I’m going to say it…..Cunningham should have stayed his ass at OSU…..nice life as the 15th man on the Mavs and they trust him so much aren’t they going to sign Derek Fisher?

      • osu2008 says:
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        I didn’t agree with his decision, but the program has to move on and CR is responsible for that.

  • osu2008 says:
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    They would be improved, but CR can coach, but he needs to minimize mistakes and get out there and go to clinics, meet up with other coaches and I think some better assistants that know their x’s and o’s like Steve Lavin did at St. John’s.

    • Jack says:
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      Do you actually know Steve Lavin’s story from last year?

      Do you pretend to know Coach Rob’s?

      • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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        He doesn’t “pretend” to know anything. Something you aren’t familiar with.

        • Jack says:
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          Oh snap!

          I’ll stop pretending that Lavin didn’t coach last year or that his assistants are hired away so he has to go out and get new ones out of necessity. And I’ll stop pretending that Coach Rob consults with anyone ever about coaching hoops, because apparently only coaches who don’t coach for health reasons have the time to do anything apparently.

          • osu2008 says:
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            Jack,

            Yes I do know Lavin’s story about his cancer, but I was referring to when he was hired at SJU, was to assemble a good group of assistants. I really like the guy and am glad he’s doing better, but I also like Craig and sometimes wonder he makes the coaching decisions he makes. Bottom line is this, I would like to see him succeed because the last 20+ years have been hard enough and I do think that CR has done a nice job getting the program from rock bottom to respectibility, but they need to press on and take it to the next level (i. e. the NCAA’s or NIT). The fans have waited too long. CR has good recruiters, but I think he can do better with in-game decision making. He never talks about clinics or anything outside of Princeton and Northwestern. BTW, I don’t pretend to know CR’s story, I actually read it a while back, it’s called A Game of Character. Good read!

            • Jack says:
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              He does the clinics and consultations with mentors and those on the professional level. I think just about every coach does so. I don’t quite understand why it has to be publicized though.

              I think I understand the difference you’re pointing to. Stewart, Grace and Pomeday are too young to be known for their coaching skills. But Stewart is considered an up-and-comer. And Grace is well-respected among his peers. Pomeday is green, but he’s still solid.

              The latter two are better known for their ability to recruit still. But that will change down the road.

              I think what you were saying is that Coach Rob should have stepped into his current role with established assistants instead of developing them as well?

              That slow development of the program from top to bottom might be great for a foundation. But that kind of foundation is too often built up by someone else. I think he knows this as well as anyone. That next level needs to be attained this year or next year.

              The injuries really do suck. I think there’s enough talent to ride this team into the top 30, but I really thought they would push the top 20 this year with some solid bigs patrolling the lane. The frosh are going to have to mature quickly this year being only 10 deep.

              • osu2008 says:
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                Jack,

                I really expect your opinion more so than other people on OSU basketball so it’s good to have someone that actually knows what’s going on as I can’t always follow as closely as I’d like to, but I love what CR has done, but feel like his at times taking on two jobs in one with the assistants. David Grace is I think the best on the staff, but do think Pomeday and Stewart will move on soon. Unfortuantely CR did not have a foundation to build from as John did not give him much to work with and what he did in his first year was nothing short of a miracle. The man can coach, but I think down the line he will need to get some guys that are more seasoned on the staff.

                • Jack says:
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                  I think you’re right. Hoops is not like football in that assistants come and go at a rapid pace. So having a static unit at OSU has been something of an anomaly. Both Stewart and Grace were almost gone in the off season, so I don’t see them sticking around long. I think Pomeday is green, but he is a very good recruiter. So someone may pull him away for that.

                  i agree that the next choices when those guys are hired away should be more established. Coach Rob has had to pull double duty in developing his coaches along with his players. I don’t think we’re at a point in our AD to have the commitment we once had. Getting someone like Mike Dunlap is an investment hire. We were blessed to have Jimmy Anderson, a home grown assistant of the highest level… and a pretty good head until Ernest died. We’re going to need those hires sometime. So I guess holding Coach Rob’s feet to the fire now is better than making lists when the time finally comes.

  • JD says:
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    If the Beavs could make a put back layup on an offensive rebound they would be ahead.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    without #24 we would’ve won this game. KU is not a top 10 team right now.

    • Jack says:
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      Sorry.

      KU is a top ten team now.

      And they will be a top ten team in the future.

      Granted… they’re no UTSA. But they are decent.

  • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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    We need late game 3s to get back in it and Coach Rob goes with Moreland, Burton and Collier. Terrible situational coaching.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Terrible is a reach, but really what were the options? Shaftenaar would be the only sub and he’s ice cold. Morris-Walker isn’t a shooter, Barton isn’t. Not many options.

      • mckalk says:
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        I think you do have to spot Schaft in that situation. Can’t you have Schaft, Nelson, Starks, Collier and Moreland when you need come from behind offense?

      • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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        Schaft may have been cold and Barton may not be a very good 3 shooter but they’re still better options than Collier and Burton.

    • mckalk says:
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      I know Moreland is a great rebounder and shot blocker, but he needs to figure out an offensive game that is going to get 10-14 points with Angus out. How can he not get off a 10 footer in the lane with his length?

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Moreland just isn’t confident for whatever reason. He’s shown an ability to drive and score occasionally. If he did it more often, teams would respect that and it opens up lanes for Starks and Nelson. He doesn’t have a bad looking shot, just needs to work on it and be consistent with it. It would be a nice weapon. I’d like to see Olaf see more playing time. He can shoot.

        • mckalk says:
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          You’re right, Moreland doesn’t look half bad even on those threes he has taken. It just seems like he could be a big factor on offensive with his skills. Even the Kansas announcer pointed out how he passed up a shot. On those drives down the lane, he needs to be looking to jam the ball down the baskets throat, not dish off to Burton.

      • steveEbeaver says:
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        Ditto for Collier. Seems like that shot has vanished from the game. Shoot a 3 or go for a sportscenter dunk.

        • mckalk says:
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          Collier has to develop an mid-range jumper or he can kiss the next level goodbye. What’s weird is I swear he was staring to take some of those from the side last year and now he insists on driving every time.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Well crap.

    When does football start?

    Oh wait……….

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    KU shot 60% from the field and outscored the Beavs in the paint, 58-30. Berto was 13-14 from the line and the rest of the beavs 4-12.

    • Beavergopher says:
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      I thought we were supposed to be good on defense this year?

      • beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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        We are, you just don’t know enough about basketball to know that 60% shooting is exactly what we wanted them to shoot. Jack will explain it to you later.

        • Jack says:
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          I will? Why would I do that?

          Berto from the line was gold. You guys thinking everyone should make every shot they ever take?

          Priceless.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      KU size advantage with Withey down low was the difference. Beavers just didn’t have an answer for him. In the zone they were worried about him, left shooters open. Beavers clearly are better in man-to-man defense, but Withey’s presence killed them in the man-to-man. He can score on Moreland, Collier, Olaf, Burton. He also set great picks in the paint that freed up drivers. Having a guy like that down low just cause all the different. Beavers don’t have a legit 7 footer right now and it hurts them defensively.

      Also, Burton’s defense sucks and was a big part of the loss. He’s slow and doesn’t move his feet. Led to some easy baskets and Moreland got beat off the bounce a couple times. Despite all that, if Nelson could make a shot, they may have won.

      • Jack says:
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        Oh don’t bring All-Americans into the conversation. That just ruins the tone of…

        … what’s the tone here?

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Needed to recruit a guard with a reliable outside shot.

    • osu2008 says:
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      What’s going on with LJ Westbrook? I read that he’s on the team at North Salem, but hasn’t signed at OSU yet.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Last I heard he was expelled and him coming to OSU was unlikely

        • osu2008 says:
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          I heard that too. I think they lucked out on Ostling as well because his grades were bad and he had attitude issues as well as not so desirable friends. Anyone know anything about Lapray from Sprague because he chose Oregon over OSU (bad choice). Any good?

          • GoBeavs90 says:
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            Lapray is solid. Has a similar game to Gordon Hayward. Nice outside shot and a solid driver. Would have been nice to have a guy who can knock down some outside shots

            • osu2008 says:
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              Shit. Hope he isn’t a program changer at Oregon and that CR’s gets from back east pan out otherwise look for Altman to dominate CR like Kelly does Riley.

              • GoBeavs90 says:
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                He’s not a program changer, but he will be good.

                • osu2008 says:
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                  They also have Justin Bell coming in who is a shot blocker and rated highly. Plays for Compton Magic where Nelson and Burton came from. CR has good recruits though and they seem like good guys and good students. One is a Bob Hurley Sr. product.

                  • Jack says:
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                    N’diaye and Cooke are spectacular for a two man class.

                    We get the best of both worlds with the two of them. Cooke is a rifleman, and N’diaye is a monster.

        • Beavergopher says:
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          Weed

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Stanford is going to choke.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      You may be right. Stanford D is not wrapping up like they did against the ducks. Hundley and Franklin running wild. 24-17 ucla

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Not having Brandt tonight was huge. He’s the best shooter on the team, when Starks passed it to a big man at the three point line, their outside shots weren’t respected, with Brandt it has to be respected. He knocks down some of those outside shots. Also gives the Beavers another big body. He would have given OSU that 12-14 points they needed from Moreland. His loss will be huge this season. Him being able to consistently knock down open shots will be missed when you have guys like Moreland, Burton and Collier out there.

    • osu2008 says:
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      Hopefully the recovery goes well for Angus and I agree wholeheartedly that he is missed. Great guy and a good player that I felt was going to have a breakout season.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      If Olaf can pick up his defensive game he’ll help. 2-3 tonight from behind the line and he has a good looking shot

      • osu2008 says:
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        If he has the willingness to learn and improve like his brother, he will do fine! Roland was one of the two Jay John guys I liked (the other was Ricky Claitt). He just seemed to adjust well to CR and had a good attitude.

    • Jack says:
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      Thank you for some sane commentary.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Very good Pac-12 Championship Game. As welll as UCLA is playing, OSU better score 49+ tomorrow if they want the Alamo Bowl. That’s assuming Stanford can come back and win, otherwise we are automaticallly in the Holiday Bowl.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Wide open in the endzone (well maybe not WIDE open) on 3rd-15 and Hogan ties it up for Tree

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      He was wide open, Hogan just threw it a bit late. But UCLA can’t let that happen on 3rd and 15. Bad defense. Thought I was watching OSU.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Performance index??? Obviously doesn’t account for your opponent.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Stanford D should’ve had the game ending int there. Tree up 3 with less than 5 min to go.

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Bad time for a penalty

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Please lose fUCLA

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    David Shaw has done a great job. In the month of November his team needed to win 4 consecutive games to reach Rose Bowl and they got it done every single time. Imagine that, a coach that actually wins big games with the pressure on.

    • Fightingbeaver says:
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      I agree, the have the caliber of coach (actually both UCLA and Stanford have two great winning coaches) to motivate their team to win and have the playbook to do it. One of the best played games of the year. Both teams deserve to go to the best bowls possible, even over OSU. The thought of Beavers and Riley beating up on Nicholls State makes me puke. Would not prove anything to me on how great team or Barney Fife Riley is.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    Bet Nunes feels like shit right now.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Stanford would be playing for a national title if Nunes hadn’t screwed things up against Washington and Notre Dame.

  • bone says:
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    who does the Alamo take? Us or UCLA?

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Mike Parker is saying the Alamo Bowl wants the Beavers.

    • progressivebeav says:
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      Whoever is rated higher in the BCS, imo.

      • Jack says:
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        I would agree with this as a baseline consideration.

        • Beavergopher says:
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          The decision is all about butts in the seats and how many fans will travel to and spend money at the bowl site. I hope this gets us to San Antonio.

    • Gdub says:
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      That’s up to the Alamo Bowl committee. They are free to choose the beavers or UCLA. I think they will pick the Beavers as OSU fans are going to travel better than FUCLA. We also have 9 overall wins, 6-3 conference record and beat FUCLA head to head. Jesus, the Pac-12 title game looked half empty. We’ll find out Sunday evening.

      • Jack says:
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        I just have to ask.

        My father got his BS at UCLA and his PhD at OSU. He knows nothing of any supposed “rivalry” with Stanford. There’s USCum and Cal… where his father was a big wig as an MBA alum.

        But never have I, or anyone I know, thought that UCLA was a team we had to be so amped about that we decided to start using Cal nick-names for them when typing them into our pooters.

        So… what gives?

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