26.Nov.2013 Southern Illinois @ Oregon State

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8pm tip.

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  • Numbers says:
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    Go Beavs!

    • DPE says:
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      This will be the first game I have watched this year. I’m bummed I missed the Maryland game but hindsight is 20-20. Curious to take a look at this year’s squad.

      Go Beavs!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Dayton leads Baylor by 8 with 6:50 to go in Maui

    • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Dayton beat Gonzaga last night. I’d say they are pretty good this year

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Oh yeah the 1-3-1 defense. Right on, NOT!!!

  • mckalk says:
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    Is this game on the P-12 Network?

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    Just for entertainment value put a few bucks on the beavers at -18 1/2.

    FYI, southern Illinois is a far different team then Siue. The Salukis play in the Missouri Valley conference which is a. great hoops league.

    • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      SIU Edwardsville is awful. If the beavs do not cover this you have my blessing to hunt down CR and kick him in the balls.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        Time for some bench players to get some minutes. Like Gomis.

      • DPE says:
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        They make our squad look enormous.

      • mckalk says:
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        Before blasting his balls wait to hear what excuse he comes up with in the post gamer, I’m betting the over on “Moreland excuse usage” for any other non-conference loses.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Who would’ve guessed that a LMW 3 with 12 sec left would make you a winner!

      • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        thank god. I didn’t want to have to explain to CR why he got dick kicked

      • Homefry Homefry says:
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        That’s gambling….in the Maryland game the Terps made a junk layup with 1.3 left to hit the over for me. the gods are fickle…just ask the duckies after they have popped off the past two weeks

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    They are…but I’ve done this shit for 35 years, so I’ve seen it all. Until I’ve seen it all…

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Well I’ll be damned. Some of the bench players are in already.

  • ean says:
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    The 1-3-1 is so freaking terrible as a base D.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Go Beavs! The wife says that’s it for the night. This isn’t really a game worth watching.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    12.8 sec left and Baylor takes the lead for the first time since they led 1-0. Two good teams and a well played game. Dayton misses on a drive to the bucket and the tip in doesn’t go. 67-66 Baylor.

  • DPE says:
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    This is probably unfair to Olaf but having another Schaftenaar on the team makes me cringe considering how the previous version turned out.

  • ean says:
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    Not too impressed with the D. Lots of missed open shots by SIUE.

    • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      yeah, the 1-3-1 defense blows

    • angry angry says:
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      Yeah, I didn’t watch the game, but I was shocked to see they gave up 81 points.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        In the first half OSU allowed a lot of open shots which SI didn’t/couldn’t make because of poor shooting ability.

  • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    defense still needs a lot of work but it’s still a 20 point win.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Well, it was just SUIE but maybe this team can get something done. We’ll see come conference time.

    • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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      Totally. Roberto Nelson is the best player in the conference, maybe the nation. And then the depth with our bigs now is unstoppable because they can bang with anybody and keep rotating in fresh bodies. And once Moreland comes back I could see us contending for the Pac12 title.

      • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        sarcasm? Cause I wouldn’t go that far. Not even close. Arizona looks real good from the two games I have seen from them. Easily a final four team

  • Will Overhead says:
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    First, and most obvious, SIUE isn’t exactly the stiffest competition the Beavers will be facing this year; it’s not much more than an exhibition game. That said, the Beavers came out and put on something of an exhibition.

    I missed the Maryland game, so maybe they’ve already done this: Pass the ball, take good looks, press on defense…in short, hustle for 40 minutes of good ball. I’m still a bit concerned, though, as I feel like this is the team we should have seen in pre-season or the home opener, and it’s going to be a tough uphill slog from here. But on the floor, the boys showed that, yes, they’ve got game. Still need to tweaks and trimming, but if they work hard, they should be able to compete in the PAC.

    I don’t know if they’ll win as much as we might want them to, but with what I saw on the floor tonight I can actually see a winning season from this bunch – with or without Moreland. When his sentence is up and he’s back in uniform, he’ll have a lot to prove and a lot of time to make up for – could be a monster on our side, which would be net positive.

    I walked back from Gill with a good feeling. Yes, we were supposed to win, but after the home showing thus far, I was glad to see they’ve changed.

    Hope it sticks.

    • Bill says:
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      It’s still too early to tell whether this team will make a run in conference play but this isn’t the team from the first game. The tournament in Hawaii will be a good gauge of how they will perform in conference. 4 teams in the tourney made the NCAAs last year, Akron who they play first, Boise State, St Marys and Iowa State.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    86.8% from the line (33-38) is a really good sign.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Was thumbing through some vintage Civil War photos on the Oregonian this morning and came across this one. Pretty cool little piece of OSU trivia.

    http://imgick.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/pgmain/img/oregonian/photo/2013/11/-383c462ec146d477.JPG

    1933 — DUCKS 13 – BEAVERS 3 –The pyramid play, used in blocking kicks, originated as a prank at an Oregon Agricultural College football practice, according to Bill Tomsheck, a player on the 1933 football team. To the amazement of the pranksters, the play worked. It did not escape Coach Lon Stiner’s attention and subsequently it developed into an authorized play. The play consisted of hoisting the 6’5″ center, Clyde Devine, onto the shoulders of 6’2″ tackles Harry Fields and Ade Schwammel, from which point he could reach out and knock down any ball headed for the goal posts. The first official use of the play was successfully executed against the University of Oregon in Multnomah Stadium (now Jeld-Wen) in Portland. According to Tomsheck, “In that era of college football, a place kick was infrequent. We had no audible signal to call this defensive play. When an opponent went into a place kicking formation, eye contact or the nod of the head was all that was necessary.” This photograph of the first official attempt was made by Oregon Journal photographer, Ralph Vincent. It was not until the film was developed that Vincent realized he had recorded history. The photograph was published in the Saturday Evening Post and the play became nationally renown. For the remainder of the season, the OAC players reproduced it for the media in railroad stations, on the street, at hotels, and during practice sessions. The Pyramid was banned by the NCAA rules committee within a year. Ralph Vincent/Oregon Journal

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    ANGRY!
    It’s silver war week and the game is day after tomorrow, we need a thread! (please)

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      I see we’re 22 point dogs, ouch.

      • steveEbeaver says:
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        And that’s only if MM and Marshall don’t play.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          I read earlier this week Mariota said he’s passed all concussion tests and plans to start Friday. Of course, it’s tough to believe anything you hear out of that athletic department regarding injuries. I didnt see Marshall’s injury last week, what happened to him? Did it look severe enough to keep him out?

          • steveEbeaver says:
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            Haven’t heard a word, but his ankle was wrapped in ice and elevated from the first quarter on.

    • Jack says:
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      Thread?

      Of hope?

  • Jack says:
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    There were still some issues… like that damn 1-3-1. But what surprised me was the level of confidence with which they took the floor. They were patient and fluid on offense. As a result, they took a lot of good shots which went down.

    This confidence wasn’t only exuded by the starters. I thought our bench looked confident in a cold-blooded, strictly business sort of way. The sophs and frosh are so much better than all the other recruits we’ve seen in the Coach Rob era. Think back to five years ago when we saw his first class come in. Jared, Joe and Angus all looked hesitant at best. And it wasn’t like they had any team leaders to show them the way. Murphy never played, and it took Berto a year and a half to even see the floor… and another year and a half to come into his own. The newbies are neither shy nor undisciplined. They still make mistakes, but now they look like real hoopsters while doing it.

    And they made free throws, which will be important now that refs are actually calling fouls according to the rules… for the first time since the early 90’s. Hoops actually looks like hoops. That surprises me the most about this season.

    What also surprised me was how good our 2-3 looked when we had length on the floor. And we have a lot of length. Now if we can just get Olaf to rotate on the skip 100% of the time, we’re looking like a decent team for once.

    I guess we’ll see what happens when we get to the holiday tournament. I don’t see much in the way of games that are better than our practice talent until then.

    • Bill says:
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      I think they will go to the 2-3 when in conference and against tough teams. I don’t recall the 1-3-1 much in the Maryland game. I think Coach Rob is using the 1-3-1 when he has the athletic advantage.

      I agree, other than the first game, this team looks like a basketball team. No guys trying to fit into roles.

      What do you think of N-Diaye? He can really move and catches well on the low block. Now if he we’re to develop a sky hook…look out.

      • Jack says:
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        I was really impressed by N’diaye’s discipline as the hoop defender. So often you see someone with his length and athleticism lose their position to go after shots. Gomis was guilty of this last night. But Cheikh was perfect in the 2-3. Except for Olaf being way late on one wing rotation, Cheikh’s presence inside allowed everyone to be extended and in position. When the opposition broke down the perimeter and got in the lane, N’diaye made himself big, allowing recovery and forcing really bad shots. And the boy knows how to set picks, post low, drop step and use the glass. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a low post player who is fundamentally sound in the low post. Most bigs want to play face up or shoot treys.

        There’s still some work for him to do. I’m not saying he should be starting or play before others right now. But he does provide an excellent option as a situational player who can eat a bunch of quality minutes, and he doesn’t look like a teetering rake or some big galoof with brick hands. He actually provides immediate value as a big.

      • Jack says:
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        I also hope the 1-3-1 is just cover for non-con play where we have the physical advantage. I’m hoping we’re eschewing it in practice and working on the 2-3 and man instead. That would explain why it looks so bad.

        Ahhh… hope.

        But I think we would be better served to remove the trap and drop the 1-3-1 to quarter court instead of half court and beyond. Let the wings cover the corners and let the middle cover the lane. There’s just too much baseline uncovered, and late rotations allow elbow treys with an extra pass unless the rotations are so late they get lay-ups. Running the 1-3-1 half court trap is equivalent to a football defense putting nine in the box and blitzing everyone. It works sometimes, but you’ll get burned a lot if you do it all the time.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    Jack: “This confidence wasn’t only exuded by the starters. I thought our bench looked confident in a cold-blooded, strictly business sort of way. The sophs and frosh are so much better than all the other recruits we’ve seen in the Coach Rob era”

    Jack, since I had some skin in the game…I was actually disappointed in our 2H defense which was primarily frosh/soph. Seemed liked they were overplaying, and getting burned rather than playing a solid zone base 1-3-1.

    I am encouraged by the size of Nyade and Gomis to plug the middle, and have the ability to use 10 fouls. I was not impressed by Brandt’s back to the basket reptoire. Anytime I see Olaf out on the floor, I think the Beavs are in a negative point situation. His potential offense is not greater than his defensive liabilities.

    Overall, it comes down to LMW taking a reluctant step back 3 pointer to cover…oops, I digress.

    • Jack says:
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      The bench was mostly maintaining in the second half. The really poor stretch during that time could be blamed on Berto and Brandt. It looked like Berto got lazy for about five possessions, and Brandt was trying to get to the basket with his shoulders instead of with his feet and hips.

      Olaf looks like he’s mostly settled down. He still pulls a space cadet move on D every once in a while, but he provides good help and can lay off the perimeter enough to not get burned on the drive because he is so long. His offense is going to depend on how he plays against better competition. But he’s showing more patience and less hesitation.

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