10.Feb.2014 Coaching Updates

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I’m sure you guys know, Cav is interviewing with Oklahoma State. Personally I think he’s trying to get a raise. We’ll see.

The leading OC candidate right now is John Garrett.

Definitely not a sexy hire. And can he recruit?

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  • Beavblazer says:
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    They should go for the sexy hire finally amd get Sara Jean Underwood back in Corvallis. The poose from Scapoose

  • wannabeav says:
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    I think that Riley has a deep background play going on here. It’s just too pat that both Langsdorf and Cav go “on the market” in the same year. Call me Pollyanna, but I think Riley has gone against the grain and told/encouraged these guys to look for other opportunities. NOT that he was going to fire them; that, as we know, is hardly his style. But a little soft encouragement for them to move on enables him to at least attempt upgrades. I also believe Bruce Read has gotten this message and if there were another coach who “suddenly” got a job offer, it would be him. DeVan’s move is related to this in some respect.

    • angry says:
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      Is Garrett an upgrade?

      • wannabeav says:
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        posted on the other thread to this net effect: yes, because he has some NFL credibility, and based on the Rod Perry logic model it’s a probable improvement; at worse, par.

      • gobeavos says:
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        Agree with wannabeav. Obviously we can’t expect every coach we hire with NFL experience to be as good as Perry has been (*Cough Cough* Bruce Read Cough*) but ill take NFL experience any day of the week.

        Plus, the Bucs actually had a good receiving core this year with Jackson, Williams, and Underwood. The problem was Josh Freeman and Mike Glennon were throwing them the ball and Greg “We down 20? Run the damn ball!” Schiano was calling the shots last year.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      I hope you’re right, but what makes you think Read has gotten the message?

    • Jack says:
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      That’s one big mess o’ wishful thinking right there.

      I mean… I guess it can be that way? I don’t have anything really emotionally tied up in the Riley lore of “he’s the greatest ever… we could ever hope to get… who you gonna get for a swirlie and a kick in the nards… and for the same price?” So I’m not looking to project common sense upon a situation I’ve seen as lacking such for many years. The simplest reason is usually the correct one.

      If Read suddenly gets hired away, I’m gonna blame you and recall this conversation.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      That would be better management of the situation than I’d expect from Riley, but if it’s accurate, that’s fine…as long as the change occurs and the replacements are upgrades.

    • BlindSquirrel says:
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      Langs was “encouraged” to look around. Not the case w/ Cav. Hopefully Cav sticks around and gets a bump in pay.

  • Bill says:
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    Major Applewhite is still out there….he’s definitely not a long term hire but could be motivated to do a good job here to springboard to a higher job.

    Some pluses – he’s young, can recruit. Texas connection. Has been in a variety of systems, pro, spread. Mixed. Might work well with McMaryion.

    Some minuses – Expensive. Reportedly made 600k at UT last year. Not exactly what Riley said he was looking for (pro style background, someone who would assimilate rather than install a new system).

    But this is just a thought that I’ve mentioned before. A splashy kind of hire. My choice that I like a lot is still David Yost from WSU.

    • gobeavos says:
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      Applewhite was the OC for the worst Alabama team of the Nick Saban era and at Texas he managed to take all those 5 star recruits and turn them into a 2 star offense that eventually led to Mack Brown, who was seemingly invincible at the time, being run out of town. No thanks.

      • Beavergopher says:
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        Why settle for a Major? Colonel or General Applewhite looks much better to recruits.

  • angry says:
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    Seems I’m the only guy who isn’t down on Bruce Reed. I think our special teams (especially coverage) has been good.

    • Jack says:
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      I believe it’s because there are three phases to ST, and coverage is only one of them. Now add punting and kicking (including fakes) and returns. And then throw in recruiting, personnel decisions, the utility of a dedicated ST coach on a college team and the value according to salary.

      Most other college teams do just as well by having their RB coach double as a ST guy. The only school I can think of where ST are actually outstanding is the one where the head coach takes on those responsibilities himself–VaTech.

      • Jack says:
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        Put another way, the resources invested in our ST coach (including lost opportunities) should equal one to two wins per year. Stanford was last year’s win that didn’t happen. I don’t think ST was the main problem for the UW game (obviously). But the opening return certainly set the mood.

        • Beavergopher says:
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          Jack is right. We are not getting a good ROI from Read. Does he ever recruit anybody?

      • oneoldbeav says:
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        I can’t swear to it, but seem to remember a few (too many) times each year when the ST looks confused/unorganized and is slow to get onto the field. No specific examples come to mind now, but it has happened enough that I’ve questioned the return the Beavs get on the investment in Read.

        Jack makes a good point when he includes fakes in the kicking game, although Riley shares some blame there as well.

        • Jack says:
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          I think the part about Riley sharing blame is valid. But a part of that is how much he trusts that part of his team to succeed when needed.

    • beaverteeth says:
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      look at how much we pay read, especially compared to his peers (seumalo)

      look at his recruiting

      look at our punt and kick returns

      look at our punting

      look at our linebacker’s coach (we don’t have one when Bray leaves). Yup linebackerU!

      look at brennan’s experience with ST. Have him double up.

      Read is the ultimate Riley nepotism coach. Can’t believe you support him

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Glad to see someone who’s being mentioned has extensive experience as an OC.

    Oh and then there’s this…. Is this the same guy? Apparently he’s also gifted w.r.t. developing players and popular too.

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000128549/article/john-garrett-to-become-tampa-bay-bucs-wide-receivers-coach

    John Garrett to become Tampa Bay Bucs’ wide receivers coach

    John Garrett, the Dallas Cowboys’ tight ends coach and brother of head coach Jason Garrett, has agreed to a deal to become the Tampa Bay Buccaneers wide receivers coach, according to a Bucs source.

    John Garrett’s exit from the Cowboys doesn’t come as a surprise. Garrett applied for a head-coaching position at the University of Delaware, and Clarence Hill of The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported last last week that he “was not well-liked by other staffers at the team’s Valley Ranch headquarters.” The Cowboys reportedly also weren’t happy with the development of tight end Jason Witten.

    Garrett is the second notable name to the leave the Cowboys’ coaching staff in the offseason — one that team owner Jerry Jones said would be “uncomfortable” after the team failed to make the playoffs. Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was fired and replaced with former USC and Buccaneers assistant Monte Kiffin.

    This off season, the Cowboys also have parted ways with running backs coach Skip Peete and assistant strength and conditioning coach Walt Williams.

    • Jack says:
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      Not that I’m going to go and put weight on personnel decisions Al Davi… er… Jerry Jones makes, but the “not well-liked by other staffers” is a little disconcerting.

  • Jack says:
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    We’re so excited about it that it already happened 20 minutes ago.
    https://twitter.com/footballscoop/status/433266654135324672

  • Jack says:
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    Here’s another job opening.
    https://twitter.com/collegead/status/433269436376956929

  • Beavergopher says:
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    MR is not going to change the O dramatically as it is his baby. I hope he does not hire a yes man and brings in someone that will challenge him and try to put in new wrinkles to the scheme.
    My dream would be to poach somebody from the Stanford system to help us with the run game and creative use of our abundant talent at TE. Somebody with ties to Paul Chryst to integrate some of the Wisconsin power running would be great also. Joe Rudolph would be great as he is young and a top notch recruiter. Ties to tOSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Pitt. He is in a similar situation as Chryst was here, OC but not the play caller. It would be a lateral move unless MR would hand the play calling to him. As a bonus he is a great TE coach.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    When Langs left there was mention of how Mannion would benefit from having another guy coaching him. Does Garrett fill the bill (has two years as QB coach with Arizona Cardinals) or do we see lots of input from Lyle Moevao?
    Talk about two ends of the spectrum, can ya see Moevao explaining to Mannion how to throw…..a crackback block?

  • Jack says:
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    I’m going to reserve judgment on Garrett until I see evidence of change for the better (hopefully).

    I’m one who thinks change for the sake of change was necessary, if only to bring a new perspective. But looking at this as a purely “perspective” hire, I wonder how this looks. Langs is valued enough to be the QB coach for a program and head coach who are highly respected and historically successful. In return we get a WR coach who can’t keep his job at one of the lesser organizations in the league.

    It means nothing in the end. George Siefert was drummed out at Cornell, and Bellichick was run out of Cleveland. Circumstance and opportunity mean more than whether or not a coach was “bad” at a bad program. But te perspective says we didn’t get a one for one or one-plus deal here.

  • beaverkman says:
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    I don’t know if Garrett is an upgrade or not, but I am willing to give him a shot, because I think the staff needs a shot in the arm. Hopefully, he can provide that. Can he recruit? Probably not, but that doesn’t seem to be an issue with Riley, they will continue to go after the diamonds in that rough, so it doesn’t matter much to their overall scheme.

    Interestingly, wasn’t it Cav and Langs family that were involved in the kidney thing? Now they are both “possibly” leaving the staff at the same time? coincidence or something else?

    If Cav gets the OL job at oSu where does Riley go for OL coach?

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