16.Apr.2014 Luke Del Rio Confirms what We have Suspected All Along

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On the differences between the quality of play at Alabama versus Oregon State:

“It’s actually not as big of a difference as people think. You have speed down there, you have speed up here. We have receivers that could compete for starting jobs down there. We have O-linemen that could compete for starting jobs down there. They’re just so intense at Alabama. The expectation, the culture that they’ve built there, is so cut-throat. You have to win. If you don’t, then it’s a let down. And that’s what we’re building here. It’s not OK to lose. Why would you accept losing? That doesn’t make sense. So once you break that mold, you sort of start to build that culture.”

The full article can be read here.

I highlighted the key phrase. Luke asks why you would accept losing, then says “once you break that mold”, implying (via deduction, since he first talked about Alabama having the opposite mentality) that is the mold at OSU. At Oregon State, they don’t like to lose, but it is okay if and when it happens. Confirmed. Chalk up another victory for AngryBeavs. This is starting to feel like the conspiracy theorists, who once marginalized as fringe society loons, are being proven right more and more over time.

With that attitude and his skill set, this Del Rio could be a great player.

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  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    The force is strong with this one…..

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    I think Riley broke the mold of a losing mentality in this program, but now the mold he has cast is a .500-ish program at worst and a 3-4 Pac-12 finish at best coach.
    Interesting words from a player. If it ends up making a difference then how sad is it that it took a PLAYER to cause affect?

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    Jalen Grimble has recently made comments similar to those of Luke Del Rio. Looks like these new guys are going to be pushing their OSU teammates to raise the overall level of intensity and focus and attention to detail. That’s good!

    On the one hand, Mike Riley should be pleased by all this. But on the other hand MR also should be more than a bit embarrassed. OSU should not have to rely on transfer players like Del Rio and Grimble to set the bar higher for OSU football — that’s something the OSU coaching staff should have been doing all along (but obviously wasn’t).

    • Bill says:
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      And on the third hand – he should be happy that he’s able to attract players who want to win. On the fourth hand – these players did leave those environments so maybe they aren’t winners?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      The Rodgers brothers were the first players I remember showing up and talking about “playing in January” as the goal, and they played like it. They nearly got the Beavs to a Rose Bowl while accounting for about 70%(?) of the offensive production.

      Imagine if other players had this mindset and the work ethic (and talent) to pursue it. Grimble and Del Rio are a refreshing break from the “we need to just focus on getting better” mantra.

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      The remarks of Grimble and Del Rio, coupled with Garrett’s approach and bones observations that practice showed more intense energy is a real Lucy situation. I hate getting enthused this early in the season.

      BTW, isn’t it about time for another practice report from one of our AB observers?

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        I think we will know, come the Portland State game. We dont blow them out, its gonna be a long season.

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    Riley is a Bama grad too.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Agree with the above posts. Riley does indeed set the theme that the program is ok in just getting to a bowl game. Those players wouldnt be making such comments (break the mold, etc) if that culture already existed. I dont expect Riley to change gears. But he should be greatful to have such players on the squad.

    Things are looking up, I think…..hope….

  • Jack says:
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    He’s just trying to find his identity.

  • OStateJake says:
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    OT but Keyes apparently has his left arm and hand in a sling/cast per Twitter

  • wannabeav says:
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    Angry: Confirmed! And the further proof of that is when Gina, Connor or Canzano picks up the same thing from here and broadcasts it more widely. In the comments that have come in since your original post, I think Jason’s first message is the most salient comment. To wit: Riley already feels he’s broken the mold once, that of perpetual losing, and in his weaker moments thinks he’s made his contribution at OSU. And to a point he has. But as many here have said he is way too comfortable in thinking that a 6-7-8 win season is not merely satisfactory, but perhaps the top end. And his contract only reinforces that perception.

    • Beavermike says:
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      People have short memories. I began being a fan at about the time the long losing stretch began. Those were agonizing years. Fast forward to the Riley era, and we break the streak and are competitive. Without the deep pockets of a Nike and a small venue, we simply can not consistently get the top talent. So we do what is the logical next step and develop talent. This leads to a greater variation in results. Put Riley at USC and he would get the 4 and 5 star recruits along with more consistent results. The fact that we are able to get overlooked talent and develop them into competitive players, speaks volumes for the ability of our coaches. I personally am ok with the occasional losing seasons and the lower tier bowl games. There is a good chance that once Riley is gone, we will longing for the good old years.The grass is not always greener.

      • oneoldbeav says:
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        Are you also OK with a team which comes out flat and shows no desire and little effort in one or two games per year? Every year.

        Riley seems to be a solid, ethical individual. His promotion of “family atmosphere” is genuine and worthwhile. What is disappointing year after year is his inability to field a group which consistently comes to play, and that’s not something that get fixed by “deep pockets”, the size of the venue or some 4/5 star recruits.

        It’s not the losing that galls me, among other things, it is the lack of a clear expectation from the head man that effort, fire, and passion are EXPECTED/REQUIRED of every team member.

        • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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          And let’s not forget the clunkers against FCS schools, at home no less.

      • Jack says:
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        Many of us lived the same toils as fans of those decades. Hell, I was born into the very beginning and knew nothing else until Erickson (not Riley) broke the streak. So I went from toddler to child knowing nothing more than being a Beaver fan for the sake of being a Beaver fan. And it didn’t phase me as I went to college and attended every home game and traveled to many away games to watch my team get stomped game in game out. I am a Beav, and it is my duty to support my team if I proclaim so.

        Then I grew up.

        I learned what it meant to strive for being the best at what I choose to do while also understanding there will always be someone better than me… always. I learned that mediocrity is good for survival but not good for thriving and being happy. And I learned that I am the master of my condition and took responsibility for who I am.

        Unlike the idiot Milton Friedman, I learned that money is not an end all motive for satisfaction. I learned that effort, success, failure, happiness, heartbreak, destitution and comfort could all thrive within the same world at once, while money and opportunity come and go in waves. Without the first six, I have nothing… I am nothing. With them and without the latter two, I can still thrive and be accountable to myself and my family.

        Without trying to sound too much like Chance the gardener, there are going to be times of bloom and times of dormancy. But they only exist when the garden is well tended and the tender has a vision for what should be.

        We’re still waiting for the rose garden to bloom, and we’re holding the gardener accountable for it not doing so.

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          And if we are talking about Riley and the family atmosphere and preparing the kids for life, is it ok to teach them that losing is OK?? That is what he is doing.

          The local situation at OSU cant be as bad as trying to recruit to Pullman, Washington, yet WSU has been to the Rose Bowl TWICE in the Riley coaching span….1998 and 2003. Riley, has never even been BCS. He is good, but not great.

          • Jack says:
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            It’s not the losing per se.

            It’s that quantifiable variables historically lead to certain outcomes, and we’re wary of the variables we see because they’re not based in reality. We already know the outcomes. It’s the variables that we want to change.

  • Mb says:
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    So the life lesson is that it’s ok to beat up your girl at Mickey D, if you can play football. It is ok to encourage majors in basket weaving, to not personally follow academic progress of your charges and to encourage your family to mix pleasure and business. As long as your are nice and have a sunny disposition, all is well. PS- It appears that Zach Kline may have enrolled at UCD this quarter.

  • Timber! says:
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    What difference does any of this make? The Beavs will still look unprepared come 1st game in the fall and play inconsistently throughout the season. What are you going to do about it? Keep posting until something magically changes?

    • Jack says:
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      Compare the language used in the media and by the coaches/team/fans five years ago versus now.

      We’re withstanding attrition, not magic.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I like that in this article on Haskins they mention the potential of getting him alternating reps at FB with Anderson to “get the best players on the field,” an approach that’s been historically lacking.

    What’s frustrating is the constant references to players struggling with OSU’s “complex playbook,” a struggle mentioned in the article on transfer OT Bobby Keenan, and mentioned in Del Rio’s comparison/contrast of OSU and Alabama.

    I understand the goal is to have a complex scheme that is difficult to defend, but if it’s so complex your players struggle with it, it’s self-defeating. If it’s so complex you have to go “vanilla” (a Riley term) for your QB’s first 2 – 3 years, it’s self-defeating.

    It occurred to me that another potential weakness of such a complex schemes (‘complex’ is also often used to describe OSU’s defense) is that it detracts from the fundamentals. Could it be that OSU’s players don’t block or tackle well is that they are thinking so much about the scheme, spending so much time practicing it, that they don’t spend enough time on the fundamentals? I know depth has been one excuse for not tackling in practice, but I am beginning to wonder if they also have to spend so much time on teaching complex schemes that they have less time for the fundamentals…

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    There’s also a lot of talk of scheme complexity with respect to the defensive tackle group (Delva, Hautau, Grimble, etc).

    Are schemes really that tough for a DT? Someone with better football knowledge is free to correct me, but to me that seems like one of the simplest (maybe THE simplest?) position on the team. You don’t have to drop into coverage, just try to get to the QB or other ball carrier. Seems like speed/strength/athleticism would compensate for lack of schematic knowledge pretty easily…am I missing something?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      I’m similarly confused as to why OSU’s D schemes are difficult for DTs to pick up…but I’m also reminded that more than once (epic CW 65-38 blowout, EWU loss) Banker said he made things “too complex” for his players.

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      I was going to say approximately the same thing – given my lack of expertise, perhaps, but don’t defensive tackles just go after someone on the other team to get the guy with the ball or the guy providing tgwtb protection? To me, Banker’s complexity is running along the game sideline doing charade-like gestures whilst jumping about like a recently potty-trained 2-year-old who has waited a little too long.

      BTW – the alumni magazine arrived in the mail yesterday; the spreads about BDC and Mike Riley seem calculated to calm the masses and tell any doubters to forget it – nothing is going to change.

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        I think the D-tackle job is a little more complicated than that. The timing is a big part of the scheme, and knowing which guys are going to pursue the QB/RB and which ones are going to make space for the other guy to do his job. They also need to be able to read the play as it develops and change their strategy as the play changes. I’m sure Jack will be willing to explain it better.

        • Jack says:
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          “I think the D-tackle job is a little more complicated than that.”

          It’s not. You read the offense and pick up on tells to figure out if it’s a run or pass. That’s the easy part. I as an uneducated football loser can read those tells before each play from 50 yards away. So how easy must it be for a DT… two yards from the damn ball?

          We have some interesting formations and stunts that have been incorporated in the last couple years. But those came about because of the failure to recruit DTs,

          A DT just needs to know before the snap whether or not it’s a run or a pass. Then he just needs to play. It’s easy peasy.

  • progressivebeav says:
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    Brandin’s a winner.

    • Jack says:
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      Like we didn’t already know this.

      It still makes me misty.

  • Bill says:
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    http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/10/billionaires08_Wesley-Edens_7QNN.html

    New Milwaukee Bucks owner is an OSU grad. Had no idea that OSU has a billionaire graduate. I wonder if he likes college football or basketball.

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      I think he’s been brought up before on the blog here, but I had no idea he was a sports fan. Check out he and the other new Buck’s co-owner’s statements.

      ——–
      “Milwaukee fans deserve a winning team,” said Wesley Edens. He said he and Lasry could not be more excited to help build a team and an arena in Milwaukee.

      “We have a strong desire, sometimes an insane desire, to build success,” Lasry said. “For Wes and I, this is a partnership. We’re doing this together and we’re committing substantial resources here. We want to build a great team. We want to build a great arena.”

      Lasry and Edens will purchase the franchise for $550 million. The new owners have committed to contribute at least $100 million toward a new arena for the Bucks. Officials also announced that Kohl will make a $100 million gift toward a new arena.

      “I strongly believe we’re doing the right thing at the right time with the right people,” Kohl said.

      Read more: http://www.wisn.com/sports/milwaukee-bucks-to-make-ownership-announcement-wednesday/25514880#ixzz2zAawDdZI
      ——-

      http://www.wisn.com/sports/edens-lasry-to-assume-full-ownership-of-milwaukee-bucks/25518018

      If only he had the same passion for college football.

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        Wes was a pretty good ski racer in high school. His sport is making money – if you had purchased lots of FIG shares (after he took off the cream) during the recession and stuck with it you’d have done all right but not as well as he did.

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      Husnu Ozyegin is an OSU grad. Talk about wealthy.

      • Bill says:
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        Does he like college football???

      • ObjCritic says:
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        “Anyone with a personal wealth estimated at about $3 billion would be content to rest on his laurels, particularly when one is in his late sixties. But Ozyegin had other ideas. What makes Ozyegin stand out from other emerging market billionaires is that he brings as much passion to his philanthropic activities as he brings to his business deals. From 2000 onwards, Ozyegin has spent a whopping $50 million of his hard-earned money to build 36 primary schools and dormitories for girls in some of the poorest regions of Turkey. Ozyegin’s focus on education is not surprising. Clearly, he knows what difference it can make to a young boy from a modest background.”

        And Knight spent $68M on UO’s Football Operations Center…

        http://www.thomaswhite.com/global-perspectives/husnu-m-ozyegin-founder-and-chairman-fiba-group-and-banking-entrepreneur-turkey/

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          One can hardly point to Knight for lack of charitable giving.

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            True. I was really thinking about the amounts and the facilities…one lavish facility at $68M, 36 schools at $50M…many other factors at play obviously, “apples and oranges” but still a bit shocking to me.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Date vs Fig might be more appropriate.

      • progressivebeav says:
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        Don’t forget Jen-Hsun Huang, he gave 30M to Standford a few years ago.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jen-Hsun_Huang

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      So much for my anonymity.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Funny …. that name doesnt look Scandinavian.

    • Jack says:
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      He’s a dick.

      And I say that wanting to make sure there is a distinction between being an ass-hole, a jerk, a MF and just wanting to be a dick. He is one… IMO.

      I knew him in school, and I dealt with the ruins of some of his doings professionally. He’s Mitt Romney without all the sci-fi religiosity bullshit attached.

      Although… I don’t have any basis to think he would be mean enough to strap a pet to the roof of his car.

      • Jack says:
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        Sorry… I should have opined in the past tense there. I have no idea what his present condition might be.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    OT — Does Cameron Oliver replace the loss of Moreland? Jack?

    • Jack says:
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      More than replaces… but expect some growing pains. I think he’s the next Derrick Williams.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Garrett sounding a lot like Pat Casey, “Players determine the depth chart by how they play…”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/04/oregon_state_beavers_brent_van.html

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      Has anybody seen him at practice this year? The skinny last year was that he was pretty raw and had a funky throwing motion.
      Stanton switched to OT. Was he that bad at TE or is it panic time on the O line?

    • Bone says:
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      Has that not been the case previously?

      BG. I’ve been to a couple of practices and the 3 quarterbacks are all kind of iffy at this point. If I were to rank them now it would be 1. Vanderveen 2. Del Rio 3. Kempt. Vanderveen has the athleticism and more time with the offense. Del Rio is still getting comfortable. And I have been in underwhelmed by Kempt as a thrower. Mannion needs to stay healthy, leaps and bounds ahead of the back ups.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Thanks. Disappointed to hear that about Kempt.

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      I saw that too, Old beav. Actions talk louder than words but I have to say I like Garret’s sound.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    First I’ve read of this kid Faust. Sounds like he’s likely to transfer from maryland to osu, but would only have 1 year of eligibility after sitting out a year.

    Jeff Ermann (@insidemdsports) tweeted at 2:24 PM on Thu, Apr 17, 2014:
    On #Terps outgoing transfers: Shaquille Cleare is visiting Texas. Oregon State may be likeliest destination for Nick Faust.
    (https://twitter.com/insidemdsports/status/456906092019060736)

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    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      I fear we have made a deal with the Devil if we sign Faust.

      • Jack says:
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        This comment is too excellent for any sports blog.

        Or perhaps it is what every sports blog needs?

    • Jack says:
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      The two biggest misses for Coach Rob in the last couple years were Faust and Dai-Jon Parker. Parker would have been an excellent defensive specialist instead of wasting away at Vandy. And Faust would have found a home as a sharp-shooter a year before Hallice came on the scene.

      I like Faust as a player. I think his game is tilted to one end. But I think he got better over the year. We saw little of him when we played the Terps. But he was pretty good and getting better late in the year.

      I have no issue with him coming to OSU if it’s only for him to get a different perspective and to go to school and get a degree. I welcome that atmosphere at my alma mater.

      But you better come ready to ball as well.

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    I thought a Faustian bargain was a good deal on a six-pack

    Go figure….

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      That would be a Pabst(ian) bargain.

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        Will CR will be in the last year of his contract when Faust hits the court? Maybe that’s the bargain? Or is it just a “neat deal”?

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    OT: but on the tv front those with HBO need to check out True Detective. 8 episode mini series about a cold case and how it effects 2 detectives lives over a 15 year span. Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson are the detectives. McConaughey is awesome. First 3 episodes are a little slow then it gets intense for the rest of it. New fav

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      that show rocks…highly recommended… two thumbs up…(and more shit that says) watch it!

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      I liked it too. Great acting. Plays more like an extended film than a tv show. There’s some weird mitherfuckers living down in the bayou.

    • Jack says:
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      It’s going to be different from one season to the next as well. So next year will have a completely different cast and arc. The most repeated rumors over the last month have been Brad Pitt and a female lead or two female leads.

      What’s interesting is that A-listers are lining up for potential casting. It’s that good.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Probably aware that some here have opined that Dylan Wynn is a little crazy, Horowitz adds fuel to the fire here:

    http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20140418/UPDATE/140418018/Oregon-State-football-Del-Rio-competing-backup-quarterback-sp

    I like it. BTW, anyone seen mention of Banker getting input from the senior Del Rio????

  • mckalk says:
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    All of the hype about Del Rio and his own optimism about the Beavs being close to Bama in talent is fine (and refreshing), but I would be curious to know what Saban didn’t see in Del Rio. It’s not like Riley stole a five star recruit from a perennial power. Saban seems to know a little bit about college football and Del Rio was not in his plans.

    There’s nothing wrong with getting some sloppy seconds from Bama, but it’s still sloppy seconds. Let’s see him in a game before we crown him the savior.

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      Word was that he would be at least contending for the starting QB spot at Alabama. Why he left is some combination of Kiffin coming on board, Dad’s influence, and not getting a scholly.

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        Yeah, I think Sabian liked him a lot. I think the biggest problem was Kiffin.
        I can’t believe programs keep hiring that guy, especially these historic programs. I expect Alabama to take a step backward

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          His dad can’t stand Kiffen.

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            There is a whole state and significant parts of others that can’t stand Kiffen!
            I think you are right, this move was based on Jack looking out for his kid.

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            That a-hole went to high school just down the road from me. Daddy was coaching for the Viqueens.

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      First of all, Saban was fine with Del Rio…..would have him in competition for starter, so he must have thought highly of him.

      And how is it SLOPPY seconds. Even if Del Rio had only become a backup, its for a national champion caliber team, not a perennial also ran like us. Some comment was made to the point that there is greater talent at depth at Alabama, unlike our team where the talent falls off fast going down the depth chart.

      I find it hard to believe that Kiffen as OC is the reason for Del Rio’s transfer, since the Alabama offense will have to conform to Saban’s overall strategy, but maybe that’s it. In any case, I think we are lucky to have got Del Rio.

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      Yea Del Rio was the mild favorite to win the starting gig this season.He choose to get the hell out of town as soon as Kiffin was announced as OC.

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    Riley is likely to get slightly worse most years now until he retires. He’ll get 20 years because of that idiot BDC and all we will have is a Sun Bowl win. That should be the bottom, not the top. He can’t win the ones that mean anything more or elevate the program nationally. Get rid of BDC and find a leader with a passion for winning and who won ‘t let Riley cruise. Next time Riley doesn’t make a shit bowl we should be parting ways. Especially in the AD position. DeCareLess has got to go!

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      Again,I refer you to the recent alumni magazine – featuring BDC and Riley. They are a lock!

    • Hellobeavers says:
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      I hope someday people like you get as tired of writing shit like this as I do reading it.

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        Hmmm…..Hello doesnt like reading angry comments about Beaver athletics….. ….so what in hell is he doing reading and commenting on a blog called ANGRY BEAVS….?!?!?!?

        Hello? …. hello? ….dude! Yer on the wrong blog!

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        You don’t know Jack. JB

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    http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=209471520

    Christian Martinek signed. He looks like a good player. Power throwing lefties are hard to find but I’d question his fit at OSU. In other news articles, he talks about the right price for going pro and his commitment to OSU. The one thing that is not mentioned, is any desire to win a championship. Casey talked about this a while back of having players who were only looking out for themselves and not the team. Martinek seems to fit that mold vs the Wetzler mold.

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    For those who get KEZI TV in Eugene, a tweet from Stephen Nelson promoting a 1:1 interview with CR:

    “Tonight on Sunday Sports Extra, for @OregonStateMBB fans, a 1-on-1 w/ @OSBeav_CoachRob. 11:35 pm on @KEZI9. #GoBeavs”

    • Jack says:
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      Full interview on KEZI.com

      Not much different… he knows he’s on hot seat… need to win or the jig is up… started with N’diaye as one of the players who had to step up next year… need to play D… win games and Gill will fill.

      No apology for the “If I get fired” quip, just a deflection.

      I haven’t seen the whole interview, but there’s no mention of the incoming players on the TV broadcast.

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    I think I found a way to get rid of Read How much does he like In N Out?
    http://www.thedailygopher.com/2014/4/20/5634034/iowa-football-recruiting-coordinator-resigns-culvers-who-hates-iowa-we-hate-iowa-wisconsin

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      He was probably asked to leave because anyone over age 25 should say “you”, not “u”. I don’t care if it is twitter.

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    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/04/oregon_state_beavers_cornerbac.html

    Some good background on why Hunt did not play last year. Looks like he’ll battle Scott all the way up through camp for the #1 job. I’d say he’ll win the job and then switch to nickelback when 3 CBs are on the field. Similar to what Poyer was doing.

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      ” It has to come from the tight ends. We have a good veteran group there. We can put four or five different guys in the game. It has to come from the running backs. We have two, three, hopefully four guys we can put in the game there.”

      I like the implied diversification and he gives me hope that OSU will be more diverse than under Riley/Langsdorf.

      Love the implication that it won’t be a one-back show. Hopefully we see Brown and Haskins get there opportunities, likely it includes Anderson, which is great.

      I don’t dislike Woods, but I think he’s become tentative and is best as a pass catching third down specialist. Would love to see Haskins/Brown on the field at the same time as some FB/RB sets, and also Anderson/Haskins….but that’s just crazy talk.

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        I also like the idea that RBBC can be used proficiently. I’d rather have four guys get 600 yards and stay healthy versus one who gets 1300 and a couple hundred from the others with risk of injury to the headliner and inexperience for the others.

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        “You just have to make sure that the things you’re asking [the college players] to do — the scheme, the offense, the system — that they’re capable of doing. ”
        “you have to know what they can do so you tweak the system to their strengths …”

        Tweak the system to the strengths of the players; seems many here have asked for that in the past. Again, talk is cheap but at least Garrett is saying a lot of the right things.

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          Yeah… I’m still in wait and see mode. But he does say all the right things. And these are things that haven’t been said before, let alone as ardently and consistently as he says them. If he can kill the “find our identity” canard before the start of the season, then his words will translate to actions fairly easily.

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            Garret is saying the right things, Del Rio is, Grimble….Doctor wanting to be #1 rush D in the country…..which may be easy to say but if that’s the identity he wants, great.

            Those are some new voices and/or words in some good places on the team.

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          Seems to me past evidence said the staff was doing the opposite. The whole complexity of the system thing, and it was even used as an excuse for losing. I like what he is saying.

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    Not sure if anyone noticed, but at present our starting left tackle candidates are:

    A first year JC guy, who is “struggling” with the new role (Bobby Keenan)
    A converted TE (Dustin Stanton)
    A walk-on converted TE (our favorite Will Hopkins). Also battling injuries.

    Anyone else feeling good about Mannion’s blind side this year?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/04/position_switch_gives_former_o.html

  • Jack says:
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    Ummm… wha?
    https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/458361886292336640

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      Can we please end the CR era? Disappointing news

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        That is a shocker. Need to hear the why, but him being gone leaves a big hole. Makes me wish Watson didn’t de-commit even more now.

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          That really sucks. I wonder what’s up.

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            He is used to playing for a program that is conditioned to winning and he is smart enough to see the writing on the wall. Coach sucks, no fan support, and no hope. Logical move.

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            I don’t get any of the double entendre in this post. Usually yours are pretty obvious.

            I’m hearing homesick. He’s been so all year. But I thought he was finally settled into his role and solid. I guess Easter triggered another wave.

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        CR needs to go. But BDC needs to go more. I do NOT want BDC choosing the next coach. BDC has already stated its not his policy to consider himself capable of evaluating and choosing assistants. So while CR needs to go(or needs assistant help in the short term), getting BDC out is the major priority.

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      Good for Cooke.

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      Smart kid.

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      Considering how Coach Rob can’t even get the guys to show up on the court, is this really going to be an absence?

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      When Cooke went to CR to talk about the possibility, CR probably said he wanted what was best for Cooke and encouraged the move. That CR is such an understanding guy.

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    Oh what the holy hell! Are you SERIOUS!???!@#%* WHERE IN THE HELL DOES HALLICE THINK HE’S GOING???!?!;!! Welp, there goes Jack’s idea for a Hallice Coooookee – coolest – guy – ever fan club. Now we are only left with god damn olaf and who, Walker??? HOLY CRAP. we just went from bad and untalented to REALLY BAD AND UNTALENTED!!! THANKS OBAMA!

    • Jack says:
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      He’s still a cool kid. No crimes committed while at OSU means he won’t be transferring to Nikegon, so I can still be a fan.

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      Where’s he going?? .. maybe someplace with a head coach who can actually coach basketball. A place where there’s actually fans in the stands. And if he is transferring, who’s next?

  • FireBDCNow says:
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    BDC is a complete ass clown. Why haven’t we run him and CR far out of town years ago? We need so much more from the AD position and hoops will be mostly a dumpster fire next year. NEW LEADERS PLEASE!!!!!!!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    encouraging words about Bolden, Harlow, Nelson says coaches are pushing them harder:

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-beavers-showing-steady-growth-this-spring/article_561ce356-c765-11e3-bfaf-001a4bcf887a.html

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      Thanks for the link.
      Riley made a few encouraging remarks, mentions “blending” old and new, Garrett’s new thoughts, and concludes “We put in a lot of stuff, so we’re just going to get in a lot of repetitions as we go forward”

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    There is a high percentage of left tackles in the NFL that started college as tight ends. Moving Stanton is a no brainer. Clute should have been moved early in his career to tackle. The primary job of the left tackle is to protect the edge against speed. Anything more is a bonus. Size is a big deal for the left tackle but weight not so much. Keenen is not as big as listed, not as strong as needed, has little or no technique or footwork. But he does move well and will not be on the permanent injury list like so many OS linemen. He will be a valuable fill in and efficient as a spot player. I sure hope that Boldin is faster than his track times. Small and slow is not a good combination, no matter how hard you work.

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      His sprint times are good, not great. 10.76 100 meters, 22.10 200 meters which he ran but a handful of time each.

      His best event was the 300 intermediate hurdles in a nationally ranked 37.36, and 2nd for the state of California.

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    Schultz on in the 6th as Fry gives up 4. 6-4 over Sac St.

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      Sounding like a lack of focus and awareness of the fast playing surface, game has a bad feel.
      6-6 in b7, Moore on in relief of Schultz with 2 down.

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    Sorry, that would be Bolden not Boldin. His OS track times are not slow, but they are average so far. He is is smart, hard working with pretty good mitts. He will need to learn how to rub and hide. I am not sure that he has the jets to turn the corner on the fly and tight rope up the sidelines.

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    Sac St ties it. Moore coming on. Seems like we only have three good pitchers.

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    Sac St leads, Wetzler now in, I guess we don’t have any good pitchers. This loss should move us out of a #8 seed?

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    Moore continues to get hit hard. Really concerned about him moving forward.

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      Seems to have a lot more energy than Riley. And greater focus on tempo.

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        Tempo has been mentioned several times recently in the media, if it translates to less looking “gassed” during the season it will be a factor in the W/L record. Comparing Langs to Garrett, seems Garrett is more vocal and energetic, characteristics which could also translate to in game emotion and passion.

        Wonder if Garrett plans to coach from the sidelines during games? I can’t see him letting players wander around in a fog or ignoring cheap shots by opponents and obvious screw ups by the zebras.

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    Sac State wins it, 7-6…….glad E Wash isn’t on the schedule!

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    Did they just blow a 3 run lead and lose to Sac.St?

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      No, they blew a FIVE run lead!!!

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Was a “Ryan Katz” the starting pitcher by chance?

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        He pitched to the first batter, then Mannion took over for the rest of the game.

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          Then Hecker came in for the Beavs and threw a pitch backwards over his head to the outfield.

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    Anybody know what’s up with pure orange? The site has been down for a couple of weeks.

  • Calibeav says:
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    Uhhh it’s still early but Garrett seems like a great hire to me. Watching that video you can tell the amount of attention to detail he is emphasizing . On the play where I think Bolden caught a long pass he was coaching up each minor aspect of the line then the qb and finally the route. Awesome.

    Hallice transferring is a HUGE indictment on CR. It’s like someone being handed the keys to your car and saying ” no I’m good” it means your car sucks.

    • Jack says:
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      Garrett is winning me over, and I was not high on the hire. He says and does all the things we’ve talked about for years here. It’s still wait and see for game production, but SOMEONE saying and doing these things for once gives me hope.

      Hallice leaving is a big blow, but it’s not program related. It’s geography related. He’s good enough to put the program on his back and lead it where he wants to go. He may not be an all-world player in the end, but he can be a part of a unit that gets there. He could have done it here, and he can do it somewhere else. We still have some of those types on the roster and more coming in. But none have the same experience.

      It sounds like we’re now going after TJ Lang to fill that hole. He’s another who could lead a team or be a part of such a unit. But again, the experience factor comes into play. But it’s not like we don’t have any playing time to offer such experience right away.

  • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    Couple of interesting tweets from Hallice Cooke

    Hallice Cooke @Hallywood_3
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    Smh I gotta know what that NCAA tourney feels like ASAP
    7:50 PM – 15 Mar 2014

    Hallice Cooke @Hallywood_3
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    There’s nothing more important than the NCAA tourney

    Kinda tells us all we need to know, right?

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      Ouch. So much for the theory of the transfer being mostly geography related. Any way to forward that message to BDC?

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        These tweets are over a month old. Not saying they’re not the reason he transferred, but it’s not like he just put these out there today

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          you think the decision to transfer was made just yesterday? Cause if you do I have a bridge you may be interested in aquiring

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            Was replying to Hopefulbeav. Of course he didn’t just make the decision, but he tweeted that out during the tournament. I don’t think that means it debunks Jack’s geography theory. The news did come out just after he went home for Easter weekend.

          • Jack says:
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            He told others he was thinking of transferring back in January. If he really thought getting to the Dance was the end all be all and the reason to leave, he could have done something about it himself.

            I highly doubt he’s down on his own game so that he doesn’t believe in himself enough to do so.

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