20.Apr.2015 Gary Andersen, Charismatic Leader?

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This isn’t going to be a popular topic, but I’ve been reading and attending lectures on how the brain works, and it got me to seeing patterns in how some of it relates to Gary Andersen.

So we all know the reported red flags:

1. He couldn’t get along with the AD.

2. He moves around a lot

3. He says it’s all about the kids, then continually bails on the kids.

Etc.

We’ve heard these.

Yet, we are all bullish on Andersen. Myself included. Why? Well for one, he is a man with a plan. I think that’s the main reason. But he also has charisma and appears to be a straight shooter (though we know that is false based on his past history). He’s also opposite of Riley. All of this conspires to make us more bullish/biased than objective observers.

This blog does a good job describing how people are easily hypnotized by charisma.

One area that I find particularly interesting is how different parts of our brain can be suppressed at different times. We can “turn off” our critical thinking, for example.

Neuroscience and psychology have combined to theorize (strongly) that group dynamics is the dominating factor in group delusion. The individual members of a group surrender their will to a charismatic leader. Humans are wired to turn off their critical thinking mechanism when faced with a charismatic leader. If you reflect on your own life and think, “How did I vote for x?” or “How did I fall for that?”, you probably are a victim of your critical thinking skills breaking down and you falling for someone charismatic.

Now do I think this is happening with Andersen? Yes and no. I think Beaver fans are probably overly bullish on him because (a) their reference point was Riley and (b) he is charismatic, and this naturally breaks down our critical thinking skills.

On the flipside, Nebraska fans have deluded themselves into thinking Riley is the answer, despite the majority not liking the hire at first. But they found ways to justify it.

Am I criticizing Andersen before he’s coached a game? No. Let’s make that clear so we don’t get into the inevitable (CJ) strawmen of “Angry, Andersen is great and you just want to complain” or “Angry he hasn’t even coached a game!” or “Angry, anyone is better than Riley” (which is a fallacy, obviously). Anyway, let’s be clear: I think Anderson is great (but this is what scares me…has my critical thinking been turned off due to his charisma and my anti-Riley bias?).

I think we’re all in wait and see mode with a lot of enthusiasm. That’s fine. I just hope we’re not being suckered by charisma. If you listen to the players speak, they all talk about “buying in”, conformity emphasized, “us vs them” mindset…that is group think/cult mindset. It’s good, and healthy to some degree, for a football team to buy in and have these traits, but it also shows the coach has the charisma to make it happen, and thus disarm us as well. Just keep that in mind. I like Andersen, but something I can’t exactly pinpoint does give me mild unease or agita. This is a public service announcement rather than a call to criticize Andersen.

Additionally, I think everyone would serve themselves well to study the mind. It helps realize how poorly we calculate things like probability, perception, emotions, etc. For example, the odds of the same person winning a lottery twice are something like 1 in 30, yet when we see it happen, most view it as an almost religious experience. Emotions blur everything and completely turn off objectivity, rationality, etc. As we move into the Andersen era, with this charismatic man-on-a-mission coach, let’s just keep this all in mind and be on the lookout. Again, I am not criticizing the guy, so here’s a preemptive “shut your GD pie hole, CJ, et al.”

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  • thatguy says:
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    I have my own concerns. I think this team will be better, more aggressive, and hungrier and they will continue to be that way, I just wonder how he is supposed to beat uo at their own game (spread offense). Also, I’m not a fan of how he inflated the egos of UW-Madison people because he said something along the lines of “I couldn’t get my guys into school”, painting OSU as Clown State. Overall, I think it was time for a change and Andersen is a good person to have in the drivers’ seat, but I have my own knocks too.

    • angry angry says:
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      I’m not a fan of how he inflated the egos of UW-Madison people because he said something along the lines of “I couldn’t get my guys into school”

      So true. They think Wisconsin is now Stanford.
      Pedigree/degrees are a weird thing. In general, I feel a bright person can go to any school (or no school at all) and succeed. And degrees are just a quick weeding tool for lazy job recruiters. It’s almost like that lazy narrative tendency of journalists. Recruiters do the same thing.

      • cj cj says:
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        WHINE!

        • beavers4life says:
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          Are you whining and complaining about someone else whining and complaining so that others will whine and complain about you whining and complaining so that you’ll be noticed? That’s pretty sad if true.

    • whatever says:
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      “Also, I’m not a fan of how he inflated the egos of UW-Madison people because he said something along the lines of “I couldn’t get my guys into school”, painting OSU as Clown State. ”

      Disagree. Wisconsin, effectively, doesn’t allow JUCO transfers, that’s all he was stating – he couldn’t get admissions to take JUCO kids. That’s not a slam on Oregon State.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        People don’t know that though. They think “Andersen’s lowered the bar now for academics, Riley wouldn’t have done that”.

      • Jim says:
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        I think you are right, he was specifically talking about JC kids, which Alvarez doesn’t want. However, this became the lazy generalization of Wisconsin having high academic standards.

        • scotty says:
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          It also sounded like there was a disconnect between admissions and Andersen’s understanding.

  • wannabeav says:
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    Angry: That is healthy post that will help keep expectations within bounds and the critical thinking glasses clear. At the same time though, all the reasons folks here are (mostly) enthused is based upon several other of your main thoughts. Riley had no clue what to do any more rather than trust the scheme and the associates that had gotten him to 2009; Andersen has a plan and is decisive implementing it. Just compare, for example, what transpired this spring with Kempt/Del Rio and the Katz/Mannion and Mannion/Vaz fiascos. The team is enthused, and that goes a long way in bringing home victories. There was no emotional leadership on the OSU football squad, except for one brief shining month in 2012, going back to Las Vegas Bowl fiasco after the 2009 season. Even if Andersen is a “mover,” we’ve seen how the “I like it here and can’t ever see leaving” coaching scenario ends; not pretty. If Andersen can turn this around and moves on again after 2-3 years, presumably base upon success on the field, so be it.

    • scotty says:
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      Andersen appears to be much more of a decisive leader than later-Riley. Andersen knows the staff he wants, what he wants to implement, and just sounds like he’s on top of things and cares. Late Riley came across as defeated and numb to everything.

      • beavers4life says:
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        late Riley reminds me of ‘coach Klein’ from ‘The Water Boy’. Anybody have any great ideas? I’m terrified of certain coaches…My plays don’t work…woe is me….

        The difference between Riley and Anderson isn’t the play book, isn’t recruiting, it isn’t even putting a good cohesive staff together; it’s that Anderson is finding purpose and expressing said purpose in a new way such as win championships, excel in what you do, and be aggressive. That’s his identity…Aggressiveness. It’s up to the players to buy into that identity instead of trying to find their own identity without initial leadership and guidance from the coaching staff.

        If the coaching staff can’t steer you in the direction needed to succeed, but forces the players to bend to the coaches will and force players to do EXACTLY what the coach draws up rather than play to their athletic ability with a guideline(Riley) rather than a rule(Riley). I think that’s why we like Anderson right now is the fact that he’s allowing the players to enjoy the game and play with intensity and have fun rather than, going through the motions and treating it like a business.

        It’s a much needed upgrade, but will it last more than 2-3 years…maybe. Does it matter? No, because if we have success in 2-3 years time and we’re left better than what Riley left us with, then the new coach we get can come in and hopefully maintain, or keep a current staff together and do what the Ucks to and leave a continuity of coaches in place that can maintain Anderson’s way of doing things; but for now, enjoy what we’re seeing and what is to come…which is change.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’ve read that we also appear to be hard wired so that we don’t question authority whether this “authority” be wearing a uniform or have an important sounding title. Thus explaining why a very small number of people can control a very large crowd.

    I’ve even seen speculation that we were wired that way many, many thousands of years ago when the aliens were creating the hybrids that we now call humans.

  • MonkeyLuven MonkeyLuven says:
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    I’ll just leave this here…

    Confirmation Bias
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

  • g0Beavers g0Beavers says:
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    At this point there’s not much to criticize. He simply hasn’t been here that long.

    The guy’s not perfect (59-0 in the Big Ten championship…) so I’m sure over the course of the season(s) there will be things to criticize.

    GA is smart and charismatic. I have said from the beginning that we might need to be wary of GA for those reasons. Not from a football standpoint, but because he comes off to me as a great salesmen/politician.

    I think you’re taking it a little too far, but it’s a good message to not fall in love with the new boss and to remain skeptical(even of users on this site, guys!).

  • BeaverJuice says:
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    Agree with confirmation bias. These last two threads can be directly connected to it. While I appreciate your posts’ Angry it would be more relevant to have a post dedicated to the spring game and player performance. Instead of the Riley obsession going on lately. It’s ok to let it go, he’s not the coach anymore. We should revisit it once we see how the season ends for both teams/coaches.

    • angry angry says:
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      I missed half the spring game because of a bad feed. Is the game available anywhere?

      This thread isn’t about Riley.

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        the game is on pac-12 oregon right now, but i’m finding the online stream unwatchable. freezes up every minute or so. really hope the pac-12 network fixes this bs before next season or i’ll be forced to go entirely bootleg on the live streams.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          it’s been an ongoing issue with Pac-12.com. I can watch on the pac-12 now app on my phone with no issues. But watching from a computer thru the pac-12 website and the feeds are choppy and freeze up quite often. ESPN3 feeds play with no issues. I’m not the only one that has complained to the Pac-12 website with no results. I’ll have to do some digging to see if there’s a fix but I’ve yet to find one

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    so did any of the recruits that came in for the spring game actually commit?

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      no commits from recruits and no new offers as far as I’ve heard.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    I think the greater question is how well, or not well, does GA take feedback, questioning and criticism from the other coaches on staff. We’re still getting to know his style of leadership and maybe we’ll be able to pick up on this over time, but maybe not. So it’s more about how authoritarian is he.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Off topic: You know the AL West is bad when 2 weeks into the season and the Houston Astros lead the division

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    LOL … at any considerations from psychology, which is not a science.

    One thing you can say for sure about humans is the inability in general to think rationally. Rationality might occur on particular issues, momentarily, but emotions, reputations, personalities, health, attitude of the moment, etc etc plays a big part in human thinking. If we thought rationally we would not wage war on each other, overpopulate, pollute our habitat, and so on. But we do.

    One irrational item in particular I find amusing — quoting “scientists”, as folks who are presumed to be rational. LOL Many scientitsts believe in God, which is as irrational as you can get.

    How does this relate to coach Anderson? It doesnt. And how can one be critical of a coach who hasnt coached a game yet? You are trying to analyze what you havent yet seen. Good luck.

    Riley left OSU with no QB he had developed to step in for Mannion, so this coming season was probably going to be a down one, with Riley still in place. So even if it is a losing season with GA, cant see that as food for criticism of the new coach. But a blog like this has to have topics for discussion so I am sure we wont let that stand in our way….

    • angry angry says:
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      psychology, which is not a science

      a. I never said it was.
      b. That’s why I wrote “theorize”. A theory isn’t a fact.

      One irrational item in particular I find amusing — quoting “scientists”, as folks who are presumed to be rational. LOL Many scientitsts believe in God, which is as irrational as you can get.

      You contradict yourself. You say not to believe psychology because it isn’t a science, and then on the other hand you bash science. Which is it? Or am I misunderstanding your point (if there is one)?

      And how can one be critical of a coach who hasnt coached a game yet?

      Which is exactly what I said not to do. So the point is…?

      But a blog like this has to have topics for discussion so I am sure we wont let that stand in our way….

      I don’t need topics or discussion. I post when something interests me. This isn’t a pay site, there are no ads, etc.

      There is always someone who has to read select words from a post and make up their own idea of what the post is about, either without actually reading it or just not comprehending. I’d say this post is pretty lucid so there shouldn’t be comprehension issues. But if it’s not, this is the message: our brains are flawed and like to blindly follow charismatic people, and as someone noted above, especially if they are in positions of authority.

      • TJOSU says:
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        As an aside, you might want to research the definition of theory. Or, be more careful in how you are using it. Because saying things like “That’s why I wrote “theorize”. A theory isn’t a fact.” about a post you wrote that contained references to lectures on neuroscience and psychology is puzzling. People who say things like “a theory isn’t a fact” tend not to be very scientifically literate. A theory is about as close to a fact as we can get.

        And then there are those who use the word in a more colloquial fashion, which is what you seem to be doing (again, in a post about science-y stuff). But, these people don’t seem to realize that the word “hypothesize” would suit their purpose better than “theory”.

        carry on.

        • angry angry says:
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          Well I have a biology and computer science degree, so not sure about the literate part, but a theory isn’t a fact. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, buddy. You should look into how many scientific theories later turned out to be false. It’s pretty staggering. These are just some:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scientific_theories

          The neuroscience thing is just a theory, too. I’m not sure what your point is here. It’s actually impossible to have a fact.

          • TJOSU says:
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            What? I don’t even…

            Please provide a source for your statement of “It’s actually impossible to have a fact.” this ought to be good.

            Facts do exist. Facts are simply repeatable, verifiable, objective observations. Facts are what confirm to us that the scientific method (you know, the system you undoubtedly use with your claimed degrees) works.

            That’s not to say that some facts, and some theories, can turn out to be wrong. This happens as we learn more about the way things work in our universe.

          • angry angry says:
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            No such thing as fact (including this statement).

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Mike Riley rides a bike. Fact!

          • angry angry says:
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            Funny…but even that is not fact (nor is this).

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Fact – Something known to be true

            http://bigredfury.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Mike-Riley-Rides-A-Bike-.png

          • angry angry says:
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            Sorry, Whiskey, but you can never know if it’s true he rides a bike, even if you see him riding it. The best you can come to are your own beliefs/opinions or [objective] close approximations. Our minds are simply too flawed to form any absolutes. That’s without even considering some of the more abstract ideas such as parallel universes, holograms, etc. Many things seem like facts to me, too, but they aren’t.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            so the dictionary is wrong????? Who knew?!?!?!?

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Let me get this straight just so I’m crystal clear here…………So if I ate chili for dinner, cooked it myself, shoveled it into my mouth with a spoon, swallowed it, then shit it out later, the statement “I ate chili for dinner” is still not a fact? 2 + 2 does not equal 4? Got it thanks

          • angry angry says:
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            2 + 2 does not equal 4

            Correct.

            It only approximates 4. Humans have a hard time with infinity, so we invent math and limits, which conveniently “solves” this problem.
            http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/55748.html

            Even though it doesn’t…(there are no perfect circles, for example). http://www.stufftoblowyourmind.com/blog/do-perfect-circles-exist-in-our-universe/

            Math’s biggest problem is and always will be infinity. It relegates math to beautiful bullshit.

            Your other point about eating and shitting assumes that your senses are correct. Human senses are extremely flawed. It also assumes we see the world accurately, which is a big assumption.

            Trust me, there are no facts. Try proving to me you ate chili. It will devolve into an endless vortex of “but how do you know ___”? until you finally admit you can’t know for sure. That’s life.

            You may have eaten chilli and shit it out, but you can never prove it as absolute fact, even if you hand me the turd. Finally, I can never prove there are no facts. That’s the paradox (i.e. an infinite loop in computer jargon). Ah, that pesky infinity again.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Hi, I’m from Earth, what planet are you from?

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            from now on I’ll just assume 2 + 2 = 4

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I’m having a really hard time getting my napkin fueled brain around all of this

          • angry angry says:
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            Earth, and yeah, we have to live by “close enough” (2+2=~4) here to get things done, and I do that, but close enough is not fact.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            so I did in fact not eat chili for dinner? Or even take a dump? I’m so confused

          • angry angry says:
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            Maybe you did, maybe you didn’t.

          • BeaverQB BeaverQB says:
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            So, what color was the dress, Angry? Blue and black or white and gold?

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            No such thing as a fact….. I need an explanation of that. I would use the word data but arent facts, data?

            In any case, hey, I had a big minus score goin for a while… Proud of that — get a little Jack in me (from the bottle, not Eugene, I insist, but maybe…) and out comes the big scores!

            While we are at it, lets castigate the old saw about the word “assume”. The military wants no foolin around, so coined (I think) the phrase …assume makes an ass out of u and me… But in fact there is not much for human discussion that isnt ultimately based on assumptions (theories, hypotheses). The biggest revelation in going to grad school in science was to realize that all the pat stuff in undergrad texts was actully up for study and possible change. Assumptions are everywhere….

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            people just assume I eat napkins. They’d be wrong

          • angry angry says:
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            A huge problem in science is [purposefully] “confusing” correlation with causation. It keeps the grant money flowing, I guess, and prevents more idle hands in our society, but that’s about it. What is amazing is that many people believe obviously flawed studies.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Psychology fits into the definition of science, although usually made distinct within it and referred to as a soft-science.

      • Corey says:
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        Psychology is science; it’s the fake pseudo-science that gets spread around that gives it a bad name. It’s simply misinformation. Cognitive psych is a good starting point for some of the more concrete facts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_psychology

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          “cognitive psychology as a formal school of thought”.

          Psychology is a field of study and has utility. A school of thought, as Wikipedia puts it.

          Fields of study like psychology, sociology, etc are based on the opinions of the current leaders in the field. The word science is tossed around far too broadly. All fields of study want to be regarded as a “science” but many are not. Journalists are constantly telling us what science “says” but often and usually in wording the scientists themselves would not use.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Maybe you don’t know about research within the field of psychology and how the scientific method is applied to that research. You should look at the studies directly for the process and interpretations, rather than letting a journalist do it for you.

      • angry angry says:
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        I don’t think it matters if it’s a science or not other than for ego purposes (e.g. someone who is a psychologists probably wants it labeled as science, since that holds status in our society). It’s not like the scientific method is rock solid. I’m not sure where that idea came from…

        • Corey says:
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          That in itself is very true. I guess the point I was making is that a lot of things that aren’t psychology get labeled as such and make that “scientific” line even more unclear.

  • BeaverMike says:
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    No doubt that these coaches have been nomadic. If they are highly successful at Oregon State, I could see most if not all jumping ship down the road for greener pastures. However, I do believe that Anderson is intrigued by Corvallis and the quality of life. He could have coached elsewhere at a higher visibility school. I believe that he genuinely likes Oregon State and this may prolong his tenure. All of the coaches are paid well so money is not such an issue anymore. Even if we lose Anderson and company sooner than expected, we may be in a better position to attract a replacement. Especially if we upgrade our infrastructure, and remain competitive in pay and play.

  • Jim says:
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    I was incredibly impressed by him since I saw how his Utah State teams took it to Utah, BYU, and Auburn. Then how he turned a fair number of those kids into NFL players. That is incredible at Utah State, which used to be on the level of a New Mexico State.

    I’m not particularly drawn by any of his charisma, other than seeing how energized he got the players at USU. I’m actually kind of repulsed by him. His face seems kind of skeletony. So, if anything, I’m biased because of a small sample size at Utah State. My biggest concern is whether he gets too stubborn about some things (i.e. QBs).

  • mb says:
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    How about we just study history as it relates to sport and especially as it relates to football rather than study Psychoanalysis. Dick Vermeil, Mr. Popularity, guy than no one has ever said a bad word about, moved around a lot. Bill Parcells, Super Bowl winner, a tough and grumpy guy, moved around a lot. Urban Meyer, a total success everywhere he goes, moves around a lot. Abraham Lincoln, grumpy and morose leader whose career record was approximately 4-20, a guy less popular in his lifetime than General George “the Coward” McClelland, moved around a lot.

    • angry angry says:
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      Not sure who you’re talking to since the National Media and disgruntled Wisconsin fans are the ones levying those criticisms/red flags.

      But I don’t think you provide proof. Just anecdotes. Which is fine. But many coaches stay in one place with great success, too. And many move around a lot and fail at each job.

      • Mb says:
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        Either way it proves nothing. That was the point about Lincoln tongue in cheek. In the past, you and others have clearly and repeatedly stated that If Andersen were to win and then move on, it would be ok. It does not take the ability to add 2 plus 2 to understand that Wisconsin folk would feel jilted when someone voluntarily left. No kidding. They drag up or invent dirt to make themselves feel better or to feel superior when their lover leaves. Every D1 NCAA coach is an overpaid buffoon. These guys add zero to our collective intellectual capital. Yet as some of us pointed out several years ago here, before it was trending, the business model established at Utah State under Andersen, held valuable lessons for Oregon State.

    • Bob says:
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      God bless Robert E. Lee.

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    Cal is going to need to replace their WR coach/recruiting coordinator as he was busted in a prostitution sting. Oops!

    http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2015/4/20/8459141/pierre-ingram-arrested-prostiution-california-golden-bears-coach

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    I don’t find Andersen over the top charismatic, he has a solid track record of winning as a head coach and the Beav program didn’t have to roll the dice with an assistant or mid-major coach, so I’m good with that. It’s going to take some time to see where this all leads, I’m going to enjoy the ride. Change is better than stagnation. I think some fans equate change with immediate success that may not be the case.

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      I see him as a charismatic football coach, but not charismatic in that schmoozy politician sense.

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    I think Andersen is exactly where he wants to be for the next 5 years minimum and if I was betting it right now I would say he will complete his 7 year deal here. I think his dream job is a Pac-12 version of Utah State. Oregon State very closely fits the bill. Utah used to dominate the MWC and now in the Pac-12 still is dominant in the state overall. Oregon vs OSU is similar to Utah vs Utah State. He likes the underdog role and prefers small town life. I generally think he will like Corvallis more and more over the next few plus years building the program exactly how he sees fit.

    Having the upgraded VFC be in place within a year of his first home game is a huge boost for the program and a great sign that the determination is there to make this a Pac-12 title contending program in the next few years. With Seth Collins at QB for the next 4 years it actually is doable if several key pieces are put in place.

    I live that we have two speedsters in Hawkins and Bolden. That will be needed every year for max success. His run first mentality should improve odds in winning games. Can’t wait to see a coach pounding out some awesome 4th quarter runs with backs & QB in the 4th instead of stupidly abandoning it almost entirely.

    Andersen will have some pretty good success in a few years and it will get Reser Phase 3 to the final building stage so that firm plans are announced and construction begins by spring 2019 at the latest I would say. Fall 2021 will be the 7th year of his current deal. After 4 years if we want to extend a year that is fine but let’s not get carried away.

    The max time any coach should lead Oregon State Football is 9-10 years. That is enough in 99.9% of all scenarios. Riley was here 4-5 years too long. BDC tripled down at literally the peak and it was downhill from there which really wasn’t that hard to foresee when looking at tge situation with as little bias as possible.

    I think Ansersen is a strong fit and am super excited for what is coming in the next several years but odds are that by 2022 we probably can do better and will be ready for an intelligent handoff of the program. That could be bringing Sitake back if he takes a HC job at a lesser program in 3-4 years. We will have options and GA will undoubtedly make those options stronger. Even good things have a shelf life. Let’s remember that come 2022.

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      Unless GA gets the game changing Tartan end zones, we will continued to be mired in mediocrity.
      They should not waste the money on the expanded VFC. It’s all about the end zones.

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        why don’t we just go to an orange field ala Boise or EWU?

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        Orange and black tartan with angry pumpkins every other square!

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    I’m a bit confused by the premise of this post, what is a football coach in major college football if they aren’t a salesman? He needs to be able to sell the program to 18 year old kids to get the right kind of recruits, he needs to sell his philosophy to the team to get them to fully sell out to win games, he has to sell the product on the field to get butts in the seats and donations to build better facilities. All of these things then need to build on one another to become sustainable.

    Some will say that it is all about the x and o’s, I agree to a small extent that tactics matter but I believe the differentiator is salesmanship (charisma if you prefer). Yes, that may mean that the salesman moves on after a short while but that doesn’t make the salesman a morally flawed individual, just a salesman.

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      The premise is clear: Humans appear wired to turn off their critical thinking mechanism when in the presence of a charismatic leader.

      This site is about critical thinking. Ergo, it’s a public service announcement to be on guard for this flaw/bias so we don’t do that.

      It doesn’t mean we criticize him for the sake of it, though, like some incorrectly deducted. People are reading buzzwords in the post, deducting that I said something I didn’t, and then arguing those points.

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        Stop being so damn charismatic, so that I can properly criticize your theory.

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        Wouldn’t this post, in a backhanded way, have a similar effect? By raising our collective awareness that charisma of GA could be used in a negative way, doesn’t that potentially bias the followers of this site to search out evidence of this?

        It is a slow sports time, so the post is a fine diversion, I just don’t necessarily agree with the premise.

  • angry angry says:
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    Who is Tanner Walker? He doesn’t even have a profile on the recruiting services!

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      my guess is he’s going to be a walk on. From Salem, played HS at McNary

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      The Cal coach knows his sister, Street Walker.

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      class of 2015 preferred walkon

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    You degenerates wanna laugh your balls off???? Go ahead and read this piece of yellow journalism…………….I’m still laughing. Those poor bastards

    http://hailvarsity.com/news/going-to-like-bankers-blackshirt-defense/2015/03/

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      Gap cancellation baby!

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      I quit reading after the word “fast” was used to describe Banker’s defenses.

      But it doesn’t appear that all Nebraska fans are caught up in the hype. This guy seems to know something isn’t right:

      “Any insight on how Banker plans on stopping mobile quarterbacks since he never could in his 10 plus years at Oregon St.?”

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        exactly. Can you say smokescreen?????? Wasn’t Urban Meyer one of the commentators questioning Riley/Banker during the debacle in Madison a few years back?

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        Someone needs to reply with links to the EWU and Washington debacles. Those were defensive masterpieces; not sure we will witness any of that caliber again for a very long time

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        The irony in this whole situation is that the major bitching point for the Nebraska fans was that Pelini’s defensive schemes were too complex and took too long for the players to master. The players had to think too much and couldn’t play fast. Sound like MR’s offense Beav fans?
        Interestingly, they were pretty good when he had Bill Callahan’s recruits, but got worse as his own recruits started playing. So that is the basis of their unfounded optimism. Simple = better.

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          Well, they’re getting a simpleton. Hope that works out for them. Poor bastards

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      I am thinking he might do ok for a while at Nebraska, given that a team was handed to him, and not a result of his and Riley’s recruiting. I think Riley never recruited hard, and hoped a lot for lesser players to develop. We will see…

      Be funny if the wheels come off right away, though…

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        They’ll do fine against pro style teams. Spread teams? LMFAO!!!!

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          It’ll be fun to watch him and Banker play the Ducks in 2016.

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        Yeah, that division is pathetic. Only Wisconsin regularly has a pulse. Meanwhile, the East Division has Ohio State, MSU, Penn State, and Michigan who all look tough or on the up-swing.

        I thought the Big Ten was very smart to not split their conference based on geography, but rather to try and balance the strength of each division’s teams. I don’t think the confusion is really a big deal. I still couldn’t tell you who is east and who is west for the new divisions.

        I still wonder if the geographic split might have long term ramifications for the Pac and the North Division. While Oregon and Stanford have won the championships, we already started to see the depth build up in the South division last year. And, I wouldn’t be surprised to see USC, UCLA, or ASU win the conference this year. Ask Nebraska how much they enjoyed being stuck in the north division of the Big 12 after 10 years.

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          “Yeah, that division is pathetic. Only Wisconsin regularly has a pulse.”

          beavergopher will probably peckerslap you for saying that

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            Minnesota was who I was thinking of when deciding to include the term “regularly”. Minnesota is irregular.

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            Not so. I eat lots of fiber.

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            This is not an uncommon answer to many questions in Minnesota.

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    When GA is compared to Riley in a press conference he certainly appears charismatic. But I don’t see anything over the top. My own evaluation will take place during the season. So far I am pleased that they are going after 4 star talent, whether or not it pans out, time will tell. Also I was impressed that he has no room for mental errors such as false starts at the end of spring practices, let alone false starts during the last game of the year. I want to see how he is with clock management, play calling and an ability to stick to a plan. GA will be successful next year if he at least eliminates coaching errors and never utters the word “identity”. I also hope the best 11 on the field is part of GA’s game plan and not rewarding 4 years of service.

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    http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_coach_george_horton_and.html#incart_river

    Oregon coach George Horton and outfielder Scott Heineman have been suspended due to actions that took place in Sunday’s loss at USC.

    The two were both thrown out after arguing an eighth-inning Heineman check swing. Heineman initially argued the call and was thrown out, and Horton was ejected after Heineman.

    Horton is suspended two games for continuing to argue after being ejected (Rule 2-26, AR 7), while Heineman will be forced to sit out a game for unsportsmanlike conduct towards an umpire (Rule 2-26, AR 6), a release from Oregon states.

    Both suspensions are automatic and neither has an appeals process.

    Heineman, a junior, is batting .286 with two home runs and 12 RBIs this season.

    The Ducks (23-18, 5-10 Pac-12) lost two of three games in the series and return to Eugene this week for a three-game series against Washington.

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      I’m kind of surprised Horton got suspended given how long it fucking takes him to waddle out of the dugout. You can’t argue a call, if you can’t physically walk out to the umpire! He managed to extend the OSU series by a couple of hours with the time it took him to get to the mound. Get that bastard a Rascal scooter for next year. Phil can afford it.

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        I’m sure he started waddling out there when Hymen started arguing with the umpire. Just out of curiosity, I’ve seen Pat Casey get run before but it’s been awhile. When was the last time a beaver player was tossed from a game for arguing with an umpire?

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        Don’t you remember the gravitational field theory from the civil war thread? Horton does not waddle to the umpire. The umpire flies over to Horton like a magnet.

        In the coach’s defense, he was not continuing to argue the call. If you read his lips closely, you can see him shouting for the ump to “pry his hand out of his goddamn belly button already for god sakes”

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    Time to GO gents who can keep up?

    GA has shown coaching chops at all of his previous stops. Why not here? Coaches like Casey & Tinkle show the best players can and always play for OSU d

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      That was the best one yet. Good to see he has a sense of humor/ball buster.

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        Also sounds like what I envision a real football coach sounding like.

        Everyone has their own leadership style, but I’ve never seen video footage of Riley being so involved out in the middle of things teaching technique.

        “You alright Bright? I’ve been known to break ribs with my 6 inch punch” lol

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Sounds like we can officially forget about David Moore. Not in his top 5(Wake Forest, Houston, SMU, Colorado State and Utah), and he plans to commit Thursday of this week to one of them. My money is on SMU or Houston, since he’s originally from the state of Texas and seems to love it there.

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      Wow, would suck if he goes to Utah and lights it up vs. us.

      How did our staff go from saying he was “our #1 2016 target” to dropping all communication completely?

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        Good question. You’d think they had another guy who was highly interested lined up, but I haven’t seen any evidence of that.

        Watching QB recruiting around the country, the dominoes have started falling in the last few weeks as some of the more high profile guys have been committing to teams. We’re entering that territory where most of the 4* guys are gone, and teams are going to start competing for their plan B guys.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          ha, looks like Nemec is still reading here to find stories to write on. This was in his update on Moore posted around 2:30 today

          The Beavers …. are still in search of a signal-caller in this year’s recruiting cycle. That mission could prove difficult given that none of the consensus four-star quarterback prospects west of Texas remain uncommitted.

          you’re welcome, you lazy ass.

          • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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            What a fucking tool.

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            Clean up your language! We don’t call them “fucking tools”. The proper term is “sex toy”

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            he’s still a dildo

          • OSAlum94 OSAlum94 says:
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            He “honestly does not know what Angrybeavs is…”

            Must not read the internets’s I stuppose.

            Didn’t you have to block him from the site?

            Guess you didn’t need to go through all that trouble…

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            It wasn’t much trouble — took about 20 seconds.

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        Moore has issues that don’t pertain to his physical skills.

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      looking at those schools you have got to assume he was promised a starting spot, although Utah seems like a bit of an outlier.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Moore chose SMU today. Said he’s “going home”, so not a huge surprise.

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    Wonder if Darrius Bradwell is the Beavs new target at QB? or if they’re recruiting him at another position? Was offered today, but I don’t see Baldwin or McGiven following him. Sounds like it’s at QB based on some comments I’ve read. Looks like he can actually throw a deep ball, so that’s a big plus.

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3745232/darius-bradwell

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      Darius Bradwell (@D1_Dreams2016) said it helps that Seth Collins is playing in spring. Shows him that talent, not seniority, is priority— Andrew Nemec (@AndrewNemec) April 21, 2015

      Seems to suggest QB…

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        The old regime had us believe that greenhousing was necessary for the study of Nucular (as pronounced by George Bush Jr.) Physics Offense. See what happens to recruiting when mandatory apprenticeship is taken off the table? This was the open secret and essence for Pete Carroll’s success at the college level…open competition and a jag in dad’s garage.

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          Saw an article in the past couple days about Riley taking radio or chat questions. It was really strange. He used the word identity in a context other than the second or third loss tallied within the first five weeks of the season. And he talked about how game experience (especially at QB) was so very important in college. The way it was presented, it sounded like he favors seniority just for the sake of favoring seniority. I would have thought he was trying to say something like, “all factors being equal.” But it looked like he was just confirming what we know of him. Seniority isn’t a tie-breaker. It’s one of the biggest factors in his evaluations.

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    When does the PAC start announcing TV times for the football games?

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      After you’ve paid for your season tickets and you can’t change your mind when you see all those late night games.

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        My tickets are in Minneapolis at the U of M. Trying to find a Beav game to come out for.
        We love night games here. Just announced yesterday the Little Brown Jug game with Michigan will be prime time on Halloween night. That will be a blast. We bitch about the 11:00 AM starts around this neck of the woods.

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          Games that start late afternoon or early evening are cool. The late night games that start at 8 pm on the west coast, and the quantity of them scheduled by the Pac is ridiculous.

          11 am is basically the same problem at the opposite end of the spectrum.

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            We had five or six 11 AM starts in a row here last year. Sucks big time. Can’t sleep in and puts the tailgating in a compressed window.

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      Two weeks before each kickoff

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    Angry, I think again you may be on to something with your eye for talent…

    From today’s ESPN article:

    “GA: Seth (Collins) and Nick (Mitchell), as we progressed through the last couple weeks of spring, separated themselves. And I will say this, I think Marcus (McMaryion) did a nice job, especially in the last week, gaining some ground and getting in position to be able to deserve some reps for whowever that second quarterback is going to be.”

    I think from the Spring Game, Collins looks like the guy, but as far as a number 2, McMaryion should be in a good position to pass Mitchell and will see some time this year.

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      That is great to hear from GA. We can tell he wants to play Collins, but at least he’s staying open and objective. From what I know, Collins ran this type of O in high school, and Mitchell ran it for the scout team last year, so it’s no surprise they were 1 and 2.

      MM could make a huge move by fall once he catches up. He was behind both for the above reasons. I think he’s a better thrower than both, though Collins looked good in the spring game. I’m not sure how he improved so quickly as a passer. He still had major problems with the deeper balls, though, so Pac D’s will just not respect the deep threat. For all these reasons, I think MM is still in the mix for the #1. I think he had a 4.0 GPA in high school, so he should be able to learn this offense quickly, and it sounds like that’s the case.

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        It appears that GA/McGiven see something in Collins and have locked on……that might not be a bad thing considering what Keeton was able do for him at USU for the get go, but given the probablity of injuries in this system the backups better be ready. They were ready at USU, but it was not the same level of competion every week. I give the coaches the benefit of the doubt with Collins.

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    Man, I hope that Kevin Hayes is not related to Cylvia.

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    Looks like Angry is the Steve Jobs of sports. Seems to have a lot of foresight. People criticized him early on about Riley, ditto on McMaryion. Good job, I am definitely listening to what you have to say.

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    I still say that sometime someone ought to do a “best of Angry” anthology; for example, with “win-cap” thesis or “Is Mike Riley Depressed”. By the way AB’s check out Beavs4Life high up in this thread and easily missed if you just click to the end of this post to see new ones.

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      That was indeed worth scrolling to find. Spot on if I do say so myself!

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    Nice new Andersen interview by ESPN:
    http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/86177/qa-oregon-states-gary-andersen

    Not an easy schedule this year but I am feeling good this team will go bowling this year if they put in the summer work. Andersen communicates what is needed for success so much better than Riley. Riley would talk on about something with few meaningful words. Andersen, on the other hand, clearly gets right at the point. No doubt the players appreciate that as much as fans.

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    Besides QB, what position battle are you most excited about?

    GA: I would say the first six defensive linemen are going to be imperative to our success next year. And we’re nowhere close to where we need to be. Again, I think the work ethic is gaining ground. It’s good at this point, but it has to be great. There are some young men in that position that are not even close to really scratching the surface of how good they can be and there are some others that can really do some special things. As of today there are (108) days until we start fall camp, they have to use all (108) of them. That’s a position group more than a position battle. But I’m telling you, if we’re going to slow people down next year, the defensive front has a lot of work to do between now and fall camp. And coach Chad (Kauha’aha’a) and those kids are excited to jump in and get working.

    I don’t know about everyone else but to me that is a ginormous slam on Riley and staff

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      that is a ginormous slam on Riley and staff

      Sure is.
      Remember my lectures on “no attention to detail”, etc? That too, as GA has said basic procedural stuff was crap. Riley was just all about doing the minimum to be competitive, then being a surrogate dad.

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        I seem to remember having an argument with someone here last year that Seumalo was not a good coach or recruiter. Or something like that. I’d say GA’s statement pretty much says I was spot on.

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          GA is an old D line coach, so I expect that position to elevate their play.

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          You have only to notice that the less than vigorous Mike Riley refused to take Joe with him to Nebraska to discern how good a coach he is.

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            The only guy I couldn’t find anything negative to say about on Riley’s staff is still here.

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            Yep

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            We kept his best coach.

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    Check out @WestSide_Ferg’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/WestSide_Ferg/status/591068472358080513?s=09

    New WR commit out of Florida. Nice get.

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      Dang, I go out to do some yardwork and they get a commit. Thanks to whomever took care of the tweeting.

      Ferguson was talking with Irvine and Taylor Thomas a few months ago about joining them at OSU, so it sounded like this one was in tue works for quite some time. Nice to have kids coming out of Ed White for 2 straight years.

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        Here is Ferguson’s highlights out of Florida HS powerhouse Ed White:
        http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2609058/javonte-ferguson

        Kid has good speed and nice cuts. 🙂

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          2* Wide receiver. Had offers from Michigan St, South Florida, Central Florida, West Virginia and Western Michigan.

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        Interesting comment from this guy.
        @AndrewNemec
        I’ve chosen to hold off on a story about Oregon State’s latest commitment. Details not as clear as usual and would like to feel that out.

        any strength to this?

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          He’s waiting for Ferguson to say he’s still holding out for a Ducks offer. Until that happens, he won’t get a write up in the Oregonian

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            he just tweeted that…wow is he recruiting for them?

            I could hear him talking to him and asking the recruit, “have you heard from UO? Would you be interested in hearing from them? IF you got an offer from them would that change your mind?” etc

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            If you ask him, of course he’ll deny it, but nearly every recruiting story he does for the Beavs has some sort of Duck angle in it.
            He’ll say it’s all part of doing his job, because he reports on both local schools, but you’ll also notice that his Duck stories never include the Beav angle.

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          doucheboy has an article up about Ferguson now

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            He does have one of the most unfortunate names for a reporter in the age of emails on corporate domains.

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    Just what we didn’t want. Looks like start time for the Michigan game will be noon (eastern)

    Going to need to keep those early morning practices up throughout the summer.

    Building the Dam ?@BuildingTheDam 4m4 minutes ago
    Word is the UofO at Mich St. game will be an 8 PM EDT (5PM PDT) start, making a noon EDT (9 AM PDT) start for the OSU @ Michigan likely.

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      For anybody considering the Michigan trip, I highly recommend it. We have drove over the last couple years and will be going back this year as Beavers. Forgot the damn Ducks will be there at the same time. Yuk.

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      Wow, that’s a terrible time for a west coast team.

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    This is probably extremely nitpicky, but this picture https://twitter.com/VincentGuinta/status/591292140610854912/photo/1 bothers me. I think there should be a question mark after “who’s next” and the hashtag on the picture is #floridabeavers whereas the actually hashtag he used is not the same (floridabeavs). It just is little things that with a tiny bit of review would make things look more cohesive.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      true story

      back when Thomas Tyner was a sophomore/(junior?) prior to the Sac State game, I sent an email to the coaches/staff/marketing to recommend utilizing their jumbo-tron to their advantage because Tyner was planning to be in attendance that day. I told them a video showing highlights of past top running backs from OSU (Simonton, Jackson, Bernard, Quizz) followed by a message in bold letters of “Who’s Next?” might be a good way to capture his attention.
      Didn’t happen.

      But then a year later, that very same video was being used during games. They had one for WR’s, TE’s, CB’s, etc.

      Now I see Nebraska is using similar poster style ads like that.

      And yes, I agree, they should have a “?” in there.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    David Moore commits to SMU

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      I’d love to know what this kid did or said that threw up the red flags.

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        I seem to recall him tweeting some butthurt about OSU recruiting other Qb’s besides him for 2016. Read – If you aren’t recruiting me to be “the no. 1 qb” I’m taking my ball and going elsewhere.

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      That’s a bad choice. SMU is a terrible program (1 win last year)…he’ll probably start, but he won’t have many weapons. Not exactly a place to succeed.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Coach Sitake “Mic’d up” video

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      Lol.

      I don’t know what to make of that, just a dude screaming “yeaaah!”. At least he’s emphasizing tucking the ball away and taking calculated gambles. Those are good, but he didn’t teach much else…just a lot of yelling.

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        Must be a big Natureboy Rick Flair fan….

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8CyRiwED7s8

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          haha.
          yeah he looks and sounds like a pro-wrestler there. in his interviews, he sounds like a stoner. weird. maybe he’s got some jekyll/hyde thing going on.

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        no matter how big of a rah rah guy he is, I still trust he can scheme and defend against the spread better than Banker. Also, with closed practices, we don’t see everything. This little video is just a drop in the 55 gallon drum

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      $700k for that?? Andersen’s video was entertaining and showed the HC teaching fundamentals. Sitake’s boisterous cheerleading got really annoying after about 30 seconds.

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        Yeah that’s my reaction, too. Maybe it was just bad editing. I’ll wait to judge the guy, but my initial reaction is that he’s the weakest of the coaches, not a potential HC, and not worth 700k, but this is all subject to change as more info comes in and we see his defense play. The fact he isn’t Banker is a huge plus.

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          I’ll take “Wooo!” over “Derp!” any day of the week

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          Yeah, the defense will be good. He has Andersen above him, who’s a defensive coach, just like he had Whittingham at Utah. Hard to fail in either situation.

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            With that said, I think you summed it up well with “weakest of the coaches, not a potential HC, and not worth 700k”.

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            Early to tell, isn’t it? Sheesh! I’ll at least wait for a season or two before making that judgment, or at least a real game.

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          No one is gonna see this comment, but Bruce Read got like 500K as a special teams’ coach. I’d rather waste 700K on a marginal to good DC over a marginal at best ST. That was such a waste of money for one stinky return and terrible field position most times.

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        I don’t want to be an apologist, because I don’t know him or seen him coach, but maybe his strength is in the video room? Maybe “effort” is more important that techniques within these guys’ development?

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      Re Coach Sitake “Mic’d up” video:

      I sure hope my first reaction to that video is wrong.

      I sure do.

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    “The first day of spring practice, Oregon State running backs coach Telly Lockette stressed to his ball-carriers to keep their pad level down as they went through drills and 11-on-11 work.

    “We were like, ‘What?'” senior Storm Woods recently recalled. “We had never really heard that (before).”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/04/telly_lockettes_approach_benef.html#incart_m-rpt-1

    • angry angry says:
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      Those poor bastards at Nebraska.

      They never heard to keep pad levels down? I hear that on the pop warner field in town. Wow.

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        They really are clueless towards the runaway train barreling down the track to an eventual massive train wreck in Lincoln. Should be fun to watch

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        Brasfield isn’t coaching RB’s at Nebraska though.

        It’s interesting, lots of the complaints and comments are about the guys Riley didn’t take: DL, RB, CB/S…that’s what we’ve been hearing the most about in terms of needing the most improvement. Riley knew he needed to make changes but was too fucking ‘nice’ to pull the trigger.

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          He still took dead weight like Banker and Cavanaugh with him

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        I’m not sure if that is a knock on the former coaches, or if Wood’s is just stupid. I never played football and I am well aware of the fact that RBs shouldn’t run upright.

        I guess there is a point to be made that the old staff went out and recruited this kid in the first place without doing their due diligence.

        Throughout the spring is seems like Wood’s is kind of sucking up to GA through the media. Why did this guy become the de facto source for soundbites?

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      ha, was just going to post that. too funny

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      One of Woods knocks was that he was too upright and lacked the burst. That was where Ward whose stocky build provided that at times last season. Wow.
      #thankyouNebraska

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        I don’t know if many remember Ryan Cole, but he looked like an awesome physical specimen, but every time he would get a carry, he would run upright into the hole and fall down. I guess coaching couldn’t fix him? But then other runners like Bernard and Quizz seemed to hit low and hard. Do the coaches get credit for the great OSU runners or was it natural ability?

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      “…Brown ripped off his big day while largely stepping in for a banged-up Woods…”

      Until I read this I don’t recall reading that Woods was banged up.

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    he flipped on film from last season and did not notice many explosive, “home run” carries from the Beavers last season.

    “A lot of y’all don’t trust your speed,” Lockette told his group back then. “Just run. Make them run you down. You’re looking to get tackled.”

    Weird, I know I pointed that out before; that the backs would look behind them waiting to be tackled. So true.

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    There’s been enough of this implied “we’re getting better coaching” from the players that I wonder who from the mainstream media is going to work up enough gumption to make an explicit reference to it. Or will that have to wait until GA racks up 8-9 wins this year? On a side note, I bet all my buddies at coffee this morning that however many games Riley wins this year that will be his “high water” mark and that every time he exceeds that number I’ll buy breakfast for everybody. Safe bet?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Had to share this. Yesterday Marcus Mariota and Subway announced an endorsement deal. Subway thought it would be a good idea to make a giant bust of Mariota out of crappy lunch meat and veggies. It’s so incredibly bad, it’s hard to believe somebody thought this was a good idea.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25159710/look-subway-turned-marcus-mariota-into-a-terrifying-sandwich

    • angry angry says:
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      Looks like Subway hired the head of Beaver marketing.

      • cj cj says:
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        I just started a new job and am too damned busy right now or I would whine some for you.

        Thanks for acknowledging me so many times… quite an honor.

        best

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          angry gives the site a personal touch

        • angry angry says:
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          Now you’re whining about being too busy!

          • cj cj says:
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            Exactly like you did just recently when someone (not poor old cj) suggested you take on coaching the baseball team after all your rant about how Casey wasn’t doing things right!

            I guess we’re two peas in a pod…how fucked up is that?

            Time for YOU to shut YOUR pie hole!

          • angry angry says:
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            Definition of butt hurt.

          • cj cj says:
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            Whatever, I forget that you are one of the elite and live in California…

          • Jack says:
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            That has to be one of the dumbest things you have ever written. And you’ve written a shit-ton of dumb.

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            Probably…but it’s my right to say what I please is it not?

            Haven’t we all written a “shit-ton of dumb” on occasion?

          • Jack says:
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            True to all.

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      Over the years subway has come up with some weird ass commercials in NASCAR. I was beginning to wonder if perhaps there were a bunch of gays in their marketing department and/or management.

  • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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    good clips but wtf is with the song.

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    The Compton, Calif., native’s playing status remains in flux for his senior season. Though Robbins is on the roster, head coach Wayne Tinkle has said that the swingman must still meet in-house requirements before he is cleared to fully participate in team activities.

    I wouldn’t count it since he’s already been suspended 3x

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/04/victor_robbins_oregon_state_be_1.html#incart_river

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      If I was a player on the team I would not want him back. He really shafted his teammates last year and cost them at least an NIT berth.

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    Spring Game Highlights. Going on the record saying I think Andersen will get nearly 18K to next year’s White vs Orange Game. This year was a definite success and it feels like a new tradition was born. Perhaps in two years we may crack 20K. What’s your best hunch for next year’s game Angry? Could it grow another 50%? He doubled Riley in Year 1.

    https://youtu.be/b9qIe6OtHvU

    • angry angry says:
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      I’m not sure about attendance, nor do I care, but you’re right to think it will grow quite a bit.

      Can anyone find a copy of the entire spring game? I’d like to watch that.

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        I’ve got it on the DVR, swing by the house and we can watch and critique it. Haha.

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    Great name for a kid who quits and transfers!
    Wanaah Bail transfers from UCLA after missing second half of season

    UCLA forward Wanaah Bail, center, watches the Bruins’ game against Nicholls State on Nov. 20. (Patrick T. Fallon / For The Times)
    By ZACH HELFAND contact the reporter

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      Worth a real chuckle!
      But, BG, I think you’ve got waaay too much spare time on yer hands!

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      I also like the name Goodluck Okonobo.

  • BeaverNation GI says:
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    What’s happening with Gary Payton? These Ray Rice style claims are not a great looking situation for him. Why did FS1 suspend him without pay? Greg Hardy? OJ??

    This could be on track with Mayweather or Ike Turner.

    • Jack says:
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      Not sure what the truth is, but I always hate it when an attorney says, “no physical evidence to substantiate these claims.”
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/04/22/gary-payton-suspended-by-fox-sports-1-for-allegedly-assaulting-a-woman/

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        Kinda like when a spokesman says that no one, “has ever produced a shred of evidence supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton Foundation.”

        In both instances no denial of the offense, just the contention that there has been no “gotcha”…………yet.

        • Jack says:
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          Same people who think vulture funds are hunky-dory are the ones whining about this week’s Clintongate. I’m starting to believe the Clintons are the ones making these “scandals” up in order to make the GOP look silly and to keep them in the news cycle.

          If that’s not the case, then this explains what you don’t seem to understand.
          http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

          There is a very realpolitik manner in the Clinton ways and means. Pro-actions and shrugs are better than reactions and mourning.
          http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780060560058-8

          And for some real fun viewing about how a corporatocracy replaces a democracy when “conservatives” destroy the democracy, look up anything BIG. Big Oil, Big Military, Big Prisons, Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Retailers of plastic crap, Big Etcetera. I’m sure the Clintons are making mucho bucks off each and every one of those sectors, as are many other politicos.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Ah, the old it’s ok for my guys to be pieces of shit because your guys are pieces of shit too defense.

            For the record I don’t want any of these scum bags in charge of our constitutional republic.

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            The Clintons aren’t my guys. They’re just run of the mill right wingers. I never voted for him, and I haven’t had an opportunity to vote for or against her yet.

            So no. That’s not a defense… unless you think what I posted above is positive stuff… which it is not.

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            Maybe you’re just restating my first sentence with your first sentence? Did I miss that at first?

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            And what’s with leaving the democratic out of constitutionally democratic republic? I know the oligarcjy would like us to leave it out. But why do you comply?

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            Technically, the words are interchangeable. But someone (Karl Rove) had to play the old distinction without a difference game because one sounds like his party, and the other sounds like the other party. He did it by cherry picking Madison’s writings. But if he would have followed through on all of Madison’s work, he would have to admit that Madison himself wrote the words are interchangeable.

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          The point about that certain phrasing by the lawyer is that you can easily put the words, “Yeah, he did it.” in front of it. If he were to say, “The truth will become apparent when all evidence is brought to bear, and that truth is that my client is innocent,” then I don’t look at the lawyer as someone hiding something.

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            Yup,

            “In both instances no denial of the offense, just the contention that there has been no “gotcha”…………yet.”

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      Never trust a hoodrat!

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    David Moore already wavering on his SMU committment. I’m glad we avoided this guy.

    http://cardiaccoogs.com/2015/04/24/uh-loses-qb-moore-to-smu-but-he-may-not-stay-committed-to-smu-for-long/

    • angry angry says:
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      I hate this dude.
      Biggest 3 star prima donna ever?

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      Didn’t make any sense that he moved up his commitment date from mid May to mid April. Really seems to just be milking his recruitment for all of the attention he can get. Too much drama

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    Off topic but I’d like to to point out that making OSU a football recruit attraction is not impossible. Let’s take Duke for instance. Can any of us honestly say that Duke football was on anyone’s radar 7 to 10 years ago. Now according to ESPN they rank 12th in recruiting. A little success behind a coach who people want to play for can go a long way.
    From 1999 to 2007, Duke’s football win-loss record was at 13–90. If Anderson can come up with some winning seasons and we pimp up the place we just might be able to DUKE it out with the best of them (OSU vs Duke – Rose Bowl – 1942).

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    @ Angry

    When I click on Reply to a message a reply window opens up but instead of it being empty it has text in it. The text being a reply I’d entered in a previous reply I’d made.

    Is this puppy getting ready to crash?

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    Say what?

    http://nebraska.247sports.com/Article/Mike-Riley-hosted-the-Nebraska-coaches-show-on-Thursday-36936593

    “I like to have multiple runners,” Riley said. “We have tailbacks that will run the ball 25 to 30 times per game… We’re going to use our quarterbacks as runners, and if you can have one more guy who can attack the defense I think that’s all good.”

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Multiple runners?? Who is writing his script?
      Well, Riley has convinced at least one fan, this from the comments section of the site in response to a question about predictions for next season,

      Gun to my head, 10-2 regular season, its hard for me to imagine improved coaching at every position leading to worse results.

      • mckalk says:
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        I shouldn’t let this idiotic Husker fan narrative piss me off, but it does…..apparently Mike Riley and his staff’s unbelievable coaching acumen were the only thing preventing multiple 0-12 seasons in Corvallis because they had so little to work with year after year.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          Actually, it was the lack of a large airport which stood in the way of undefeated seasons!

  • mckalk says:
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    So, now he wants a running quarterback?

    • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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      Gary Andersen ran a Wisconsin Football style offense at Wisconsin for two years even though he obviously would have immediately transitioned to a spread if he could have, like we’re doing this year. Sometimes the coach isn’t able to do 100% what he wants.

      The Riley situation could be similar.

      Riley could be just willing to compromise his offensive philosophy a little at Nebraska. I’m sure it’ll still be his base pro style offense, just with some option and a higher emphasis on the run. In theory it sounds simple enough to make those changes. We’ll see how it works out once he’s actually calling the games.

      I doubt anyone here at OSU ever put too much pressure, and had no leverage anyway, to influence him in football decision making at all. When BDC did try, Riley was apparently unhappy enough with the situation to take the Nebraska job… So apparently he should have put his foot down earlier! 😛

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        Sounds to me like OSU should FIRE BdC, eh? Now where have I heard that before?

        • mckalk says:
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          “Should have been fired”…..he shouldn’t be 100% forgiven for past decisions, but I guess redemption plays into that equation.

        • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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          At this point I’d disagree because I think the athletic department is doing pretty well. He’s made great moves/accomplishments in the past few years.

          Hiring Scott Rueck.

          Hiring Wayne Tinkle.

          Hiring Gary Andersen.

          Basketball practice facility.

          Football facility improvements.

          Could be missing some, but I think he’s been making pretty good decisions for a while now.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            reviving track&field program

          • mckalk says:
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            I think you’re missing my point, the mistakes he made in the past could have very easity cost him his job at that time….especially the Lavonda Wagner situation. He survived and improved.

  • AndersenEra says:
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    I hope BDC retires within 2 years. His run of doing better than past big mistakes is unlikely to sustain. Just like Riley after 2008 and 2009 we should recognize Tinkle and Andersen as a likely high watermark for DeCarolis. To be even more relevant a better and more energetic face of the Athletic Department would be helpful soon. Massari could do it and personally I think he was as involved as BDC with Andersen. A clear and focused AD voicing Oregon State as a cool place to play sports and take down some of the West’s best schools. I’d like other candidates considered as well.

    If it was me I would do this by spring 2017 at the latest. Let the new AD really take the lead with Reser Phase 3 versus BDC staying quite a bit too long while we wait for that project. New energy in the AD position somewhat soon will finish the rejuicing of the Beaver brand and ensure we finish this decade with the Beaver Juice flowing strong.

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    Kind of wild we have 3 commits this early and all are from Florida.

  • corliss says:
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    Didn’t know that Nolan Hansen had left program. I believe he was a good friend of Blair Cavanaugh who also left. Wonder if Blair was shown the door?

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Looks like we may have a new hoops commit, although not verified. See @beavrecruiting thread for more info

    Portland area kid Tre-Shann Stone
    I had read a rumor about him possibly committing to OSU this past weekend

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