05.Jul.2015 Oregon State Pre-Season Position Breakdown: QBs

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Nick Mitchell: Mitchell reminds me of a more fleet-footed Chad Pennington. He even has a bit of the jump step while throwing, and similar mediocre arm strength. You can win at any level with an average arm, as long as it’s accurate, so I don’t knock him there. In Andersen’s offense, arm strength is a bonus not a necessity. What I dislike most about Mitchell is during interviews he doesn’t show confidence or leadership. There is a process for most athletes that goes something like this: “I can’t believe I made it this far”, “Do I belong?”, “I belong, but will I stick?”, and finally “I am good/great.” Mitchell is so far from that 4th stage. Based on his interviews, he almost seems stuck between 1 and 2. He lacks confidence, seems to be happy just to be in the mix, etc. We need a leader. My knock on Mitchell would be mediocre arm, which takes weapons like Villiman out of the offense, and he’s not a natural leader.

Seth Collins: Unlike Mitchell, Collins believes he belongs, and maybe even believes he is great, despite the fact that he’s a poor passer at this stage. Now, in the spring game, his passing did look improved. Was that the poor defense, McGiven’s coaching, a fluke? We’ll see. If he’s truly improved that much as a passer, than he probably has to start. I’m not convinced he has yet. But back to the mental game. Andersen said specifically he wants a QB who can win with his mind. While Collins has confidence and believes he belongs, he also is extremely immature by most accounts and annoying/cocky by others. Now let’s factor in his poor offer sheet. Did everyone miss on this guy? His HS film showed this: fast runner, can’t throw a lick, so so decision making. His time at OSU thus far showed slightly improved passing, average decisoin making, and immaturity. Is this a Pac-12 starter’s skill set? It might have to be. The Beavs are not in a good position. Andersen likely wants his guy to start, so I think Collins has the edge over Mitchell.

Marcus McMaryion: I was told he graduated high school with a 4.0 GPA, so he should be able to make good decisions on the field. His HS film shows a guy who can make pro passes (specifically he throws a beautiful fade, but also has plus arm strength and can get the ball 25 yards downfield with ease). I think this is the only QB of the bunch who can easily get the ball downfield and keep Jordan Villamin in the mix (Villamin isn’t really a bubble screen guy). His running is fluid and above average, but not as electric as Collins. So why isn’t he in the mix? Despite what most believe, I think he is..as a dark horse. Jack Del Rio was hanging around Spring camp lobbying for Luke, and that took reps from McMaryion, who also had to learn a new offense (Collins already ran this type of offense, and Mitchell ran it for the scout team). All of this set him back, but by the end of camp Andersen seemed impressed with MM. Again, though, I think the one area this player lacks is confidence. I am not sure he believes he belongs, and being knocked out of the QB competition (“losing” to Del Rio no less…in quotes because that was nepotism) couldn’t have helped with that. His laid back attitude isn’t a mesh with Andersen. He’s at worst, a very good third stringer, but I think he can push for at least the backup job, if not more.

Push comes to shove, I think Gary Andersen starts Seth Collins. The reason being his confidence, electric play at times, and familiarity with this offense. I’m not sure how I feel about Collins at this point. At some point in every Pac-12 game you need to make legitimate passes. You need a mentally mature QB who is a leader, not a clown. I’m not sure Collins is there yet. If I were coach, I’d mix QBs. I know that’s not a popular strategy, but in this unique situation I think it’s best. They all overlap enough that it’s not a dead giveaway that it’s a run or pass play. I’d put Collins in for the bulk of read options, yet have him through enough to keep the D off balance. I’d start McMaryion so I could throw the ball a bit. I’d make Mitchell the backup. If Collins starts, I think we fans will be pulling our hair out watching his passing game and iffy decisions. That’s my hunch.

Unfortunately, Utah State transfer Darell Garretson is probably the best QB they have signed, but he has to site out the year. It will be interesting to see what happens next year with Garretson in the mix. Say one of these freshman steps up and has a decent year, do you put Garretson in there anyway? That will be interesting.

Who should be the starter?

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  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    #1

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Clearly GA wants Collins, but things may change in fall camp when they throw more of the offense at the QB’s. The wild card during the season will be injuries. Collins did some really dumb stuff in the Spring game and will probably do it during the real thing. He has to learn to avoid hits when possible.

    • cj cj says:
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      I agree, I can see Collins not making a correct read, then trying to make yards with his legs…a lot! It might work once or twice, but after that the other team will stack up on him.

  • That Other Guy says:
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    I don’t know if I could have said it better. My personal choice is Mitchell, but I see the coaching staff rolling with Collins.

    Mitchell also ran the spread in high school, and looked pretty comfortable doing it.
    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/832293/highlights/101633402/v2

    ***Also during the spring game the defense did not switch up defenses at all, stayed in a base 4-3 with no blitzes or changing of coverages.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      yup. GA stated the D was very vanilla for the spring game

      • That Other Guy says:
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        The first scrimmage of spring ball and the spring game the defenses were both very vanilla and Collins flipped and helicoptered his way down the field. He struggled running and passing between those two scrimmages.

  • That Other Guy says:
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    Angry, I don’t know if this is possible, but I think it would be cool to add a poll to this post asking who should be the starter.

    • angry angry says:
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      It’s possible. I just added a poll at the end.

  • Beavlover69 says:
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    I think Collins has the most talent and talent should play especially since this is most definitely a rebuilding season. I love the cockiness and see that as more of a positive to a certain extent (look at the 3 previous heisman winners before Mariota) and even see a bit of Cam Newton in his game. Obviously the cockiness has to be reigned in so it doesn’t get out of hand and you can’t play that reckless when you weigh 185 lbs (What’s up RG III) but the ceiling seems to be highest with Collins and since this year is more about development than wins, I think he’s the man.

    That being said, I think that
    a. Everyone will play. None of them can really throw so defenses will eventually pin their ears back and hit the crap out of all of them so we’ll actually get to see who’s best instead of just speculate and

    b. Garrettson and the incoming frosh Moran are probably better than all 3 of these guys anyways so, barring any unforeseen (and welcome) development, we’ll likely be right back here next fall.

  • Ripper Ripper says:
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    CJ, who do you know of that we don’t?

    • That Other Guy says:
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      My guess is that it was a joke….

      • cj cj says:
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        Well sort of a joke…say I wanted to vote for Peko….yeah stupid…

        • Ripper Ripper says:
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          Well if you can’t be a bit stupid here, where can you be?

  • Angry@angry says:
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    Angry’s already backing off his claim that McMaryion will start.

    • angry angry says:
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      This is precisely why OSU needs an SAT minimum: comprehension.

      “I think he should start” /= “he will start”.

      • Angry@angry says:
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        You claimed in a post before that you believed he would win the job.

        • Angry@angry says:
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          Perhaps softening your stance because you’re seeing it isn’t likely

  • Angry@angry says:
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    Angry is angry.

  • angry angry says:
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    Yeah okay.

    I’ve been around the internet long enough to know that anyone trolling for reaction has little going on. There’s never an exception. Never.

    You should put some energy into life instead caring that I think MM is the best of a motley group of QBs.

  • Angry@angry says:
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    I’m not looking for a reaction angry. I’m sitting at home today with the day off. Life is pretty good actually. I come to this site as you have fairly decent recruiting news, that’s it. You have serious opinions, often mid-guided, and it annoys me that you’ll never admit to being wrong.

    • angry angry says:
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      I admit to being wrong when I am, which isn’t often.
      Why would I admit to being wrong about MM when we haven’t even gone through Fall camp, and when I know he is behind the 8 ball? Again, because I think he should start doesn’t mean he will. If and when I did say he’d win the job, it was likely before Spring came and before we saw how we saw GA works (if I said it at all; I only remember saying I think he is the best of the bunch). Now that we know he loves Collins (new information), things change. This is something everyone seems to get on my case about: not precisely knowing the future, but moreso, as new information comes in they think I can’t change my mind. “Well you said xyz!” Yeah, BEFORE I learned ABC. You want me to admit I was “wrong” when that happens? Well that holds me to a pretty high standard, guy, because dynamic situations constantly change. What is hilarious is not ONE reader from pure orange or blitz had the guts to show up on this site and admit I was right about Riley (and many other things).

      Maybe I’ll just continue to “never admit I am wrong” since it annoys you so much, and since it never happens.

      • Angry@angry says:
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        Look man, on March 3rd you said after watching all QB’s film that “McMaryion will definitely be the starter”. I criticized you then about it. Now you’re backing off saying that you only said he should, not that he will. I said you’re backing off your comments and you get defensive.

        • That Other Guy says:
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          ” This is something everyone seems to get on my case about: not precisely knowing the future, but moreso, as new information comes in they think I can’t change my mind. “Well you said xyz!” Yeah, BEFORE I learned ABC.”

          Had spring camp even started March 3rd?

          • Angry@angry says:
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            I believe that’s the day spring camp opened. But that didn’t stop angry from announcing McMaryion will definitely start. Based of HS film no less

          • Angry@angry says:
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            Yes that’s what he said on 3/2. Then, in the comments section of that thread, on 3/3, Coach Angry announces that he’s watched film of all QB’s and McMaryion, #3 on the roster and the depth chart, will “definitely be the starter”

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            Since you seem to know so much, maybe you’d like to go on the record and break down each position. Spring Camp has already taken place, should be way easier for you.

            Or is it just easier to wait and see what happens and comment when others have actually formed opinions and kibitz from there?

            I won’t even get into the FACT that the season hasn’t started yet and lots of things can still come into play.

            So let’s hear it boy genius…

          • Angry@angry says:
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            I don’t think any of the QB’s are going to be great. Collins will have some exciting moments, and some major growing pains as well. At WR I agree with Angry, I like Jarmon a lot. The defense I believe will be very similar to the QB position, with Sitake running the show I think they will look great at times. But not all game, every game. I’m not claiming to be an expert, or never wrong, like angry just claimed. But I will claim to be a good QB evaluator. I just think it’s funny how he said McMaryion will definitely be the starter. Now he’s only saying he should be. Mike Riley and GA disagree. Say what you want about either coach, but they are both high level coaches.

          • hellobeavers says:
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            I don’t always agree with Angry, but I think you’re being unfair here. Angry has always maintained that he thinks McMaryion has the most overall talent and he thinks he should start/give him a fair look. GA didn’t seem to give him a fair shot at the beginning of Spring, but by the end it seemed as though McMaryion had worked himself into the discussion based on performance.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            How am I being unfair? Angry said McMaryion will definitely start. Then said he “should” start. Then said I must have a low SAT because I took that to mean he said MM will start (when he did say just that before). Then angry said he doesn’t remember saying MM will start, just that he should. Not to mention 2 different coaching staffs, including our current one who has the past years QB coach of the year don’t evaluate MM in the same regard.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Each of your posts is just adding to the evaluation of your low IQ. Nitpickers like you think they have something to say but the reality is, they dont. Kindly shut the fuck up.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I know it’s a slow period, but make your point once and move on.

          • angry angry says:
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            Then said I must have a low SAT

            No, I didn’t say you had a low IQ. This is what I wrote: “This is precisely why OSU needs an SAT minimum: comprehension.”

            Your inability to understand that comment isn’t helping your cause.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            people- all this started by me saying it seems angry has backed off his claim that MM will start. Then angry says I didn’t say that, atleast I don’t recall…. I just got a text from Fenk. He said your ability to evaluate QB’s is the main reason for media access denial. ????

          • Beavocalypse says:
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            Should we call you Angry Collins Fan?

            Angry has admitted when he is wrong. He’s a proud sort that will begrudgingly do so when he is, but he does. I know because I’ve been reading this blog since 2006 or so. Unless you’ve been going by different names and have had squabbles with Angry and you’ve been right about more than nitpickiness, which this is, you only reveal yourself as a child, or a troll, or a troll child.

            I could go back and find examples, and I bet you’re more than happy to show how he never admits to being wrong…but while you’re doing that, I can tell you what a woman feels like.

            Get a life man. You ruin all the proper discourse around here.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Dude … you are claiming Angry is WRONG about a prediction of who will start at QB for OSU under GA…… and it HASNT HAPPENED YET. That is so freakin moronic.

            And changing an opinion, based on accumulating evidence is part of the intellectual process. So, like Angry says… GET A LIFE. WAKE UP!

          • Jack says:
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            And then on 3/4 you announced that he made that decision based on the OSU promo tape. “Definitely” not in the 3/2 post, so you are incorrect about stating this. And I suppose you went and looked at it, so you lose credibility by intentionally misrepresenting what was written. Ftr, this is what was written on 3/2: I don’t have a great feel for the QB battle, but my guess would be Marcus McMaryion.

            Your amended statement (compared to your comprehensive abilities on 3/4) is correct. He did say he watched all their HS films and that MM will definitely be the starter. It’s funny. He didn’t at first say it was the HS films. But when directly asked which films he did watch, he responded with the simple answer, “Their HS film.”

            And yet you went and made a “100% GUARANTEE” based on your incorrect assumptions and/or inability to comprehend. What’s funny is that you may be right, but your means are precisely that which you profess are wrong-headed.

          • Jack says:
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            Btw… you also write that he said MM will definitely be the starter by the end of spring camp. In fact, you insist upon that to bolster your argument. That was not written. No timeline was given.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            A mid-guided (whatever the hell that is), nitpicking, tiny-minded moron. Guess who I am talking about…..and it aint Angry….

          • angry angry says:
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            For one, McMaryion might be the starter. We’re in July.

            Secondly, you want me to “admit I am wrong” for (a) an opinion and (b) an opinion that hasn’t had time to come to fruition. If McMaryion isn’t the starter game 1, how about this, I admit my opinion was wrong.

            Third, get a life. Your days off work sound really boring.

  • Angry@angry says:
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    Hi Steve, nice to meet you too. What am I nit-picking? And mid-guided… My bad about that. I meant mis-guided. Not be nit-picky or anything right

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Ok, let me fill you in. Predictions are usually just guesses. Fans like to do them as part of their involvement in sports. If you are determined to do the small-minded bit of ragging on someone about one they made, at least WAIT UNTIL THE EVENT HAPPENS. I regard such ragging as nitpicking even then, but I have trouble putting into words, how ridiculous it is to do it BEFORE the event. Wait until the event and you MIGHT appear intelligent. But before? LOL

      • angry angry says:
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        Hah, exactly.

        And I just re-read my comment. I did say he would definitely be the starter, based on the film I watched. I stand by that actually — based on the film alone, he is the best looking QB of the bunch. If I get new info, I reserve the right to change. As of today, I still feel he is the best of the bunch. Even after watching the Spring game. Maybe in Fall that changes depending how the other guys play.

    • scotty says:
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      So much anger, so much anger 🙁

  • Coach Drierson says:
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    This is a pretty good breakdown based on what we know about the leading candidates. I agree with the assessment about strengths and weaknesses and can see the point of view that McMaryion could be the best blend of skill sets in terms of brain, arm and legs.

    But will he get the chance or will it be Collins regardless? I can see Andersen (before fully grasping what he hadto work with already) perhaps overselling a starting opportunity to Collins to get him on board, and now feeling trapped into following through. He doesn’t want to set a precedent of not fulfilling promises to new recruits as he did at Wisconsin and Utah State.

    If that is in any way true, it would be hard to blame him though, as the timing of his hire didn’t exactly lend itself to developing a well laid plan for this first recruiting cycle.

    Either way, the competition is far from over. We’ll have to see how it plays out,, and the angry@angry guy needs to call his mom and dad to apologize for failing as a son.

    • angry angry says:
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      perhaps overselling a starting opportunity to Collins to get him on board

      Seems weird he’d have to do this for a guy who only held a San Jose St and Colorado St offer. He was unwilling to do that for the kid from Utah who signed with Wisconsin. GA has a reputation for making promises? Never heard that.

      • Coach Drierson says:
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        Well, you could ask any of his recruits at Wisconsin if they felt like they were going to be part of his immediate 4-year plan. I’d be willing to bet most would say yes. He was pitching kids to Wisconsin the day before he took the OSU job for Christ’s sake.

        Just saying that when you recruit players, especially with limited time, you may have to tell a player what he wants to hear more often than you would otherwise. Take a kid like Collins who thinks he’s all world. What do you think he wants to hear? About academics and the benefits of a redshirt year?

        Regardless of the who the other D1 schools involved are, being the “new guy to the party” and having to bank on changing a kids mind at the 11th hour of the process isn’t very effective most of the time.

        Andersen had little time to work with, but had to get some ink to paper, one way or another. Quickly. I’m not saying he was “signing kids out of desperation” but the timing of his hire surely forced his hand.

        How many highschool kids end up playing in the same position in college anyway? Attrition and changes is something all programs will have to deal with.

        My main point is that Andersen, in these first few cycles, likely won’t be able to have his pick of the litter. He needed an eligible QB for his first class, and it’s nearly impossible for him to have evaluated what he had on the roster in full when he made Collins the pitch. But he likely knew enough that he didn’t see any world beaters that were a definite and reliable upgrade over Collins in any aspect.

        I hope any/all of them do well. I don’t have a dog in the fight and won’t claim to have inside info on the competition. I’m just curious about the situation and what influences might effect the outcome in what otherwise appears to be a close race.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I like all three and don’t love any of them. I believe the poster above who said Collins will show glimpses of dynamic plays and other head scratchers. I see Mitchell as being very steady, but also not enough to move the chains on crucial downs. McMaryion is the wild card, I like his size and his smarts better along with his work ethic. I could see him eventually getting a start or two.

    I say we use all three, as the other two might get hurt throughout the season, so the starter during week 1 probably won’t be the starter at seasons end.

    I am exited to see how the position develops during the course of the season. But I plan on wearing a padded helmet for many head pounding moments in frustration.

  • That Other Guy says:
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    I like the Mitchell comparison of Pennington a lot. But I almost compare him to the newest Jets quarterback Bryce Petty, just younger and not as matured physically. Petty had to wait a long time before becoming the starter at Baylor, while this season might be too soon for Mitchell and terms of physical and mental maturity (no immaturity, just the “Do I belong” type maturity) I could see having that type of career trajectory that Petty had.

  • angry angry says:
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    Bunch of Benny’s got my back in this thread. It’s nice, I don’t have to argue with this guy because everyone is on it. Logic and reason, for the win.

    • Angry@angry says:
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      they may have your back homie. But judging by the vote of who should start, they don’t agree with you on QB’s.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    no winners and/or losers, just angry beavers.

  • cj cj says:
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    A lot of energy was expended on this today….

  • cj cj says:
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    …I had to take a nap it was so tiring.

  • cj cj says:
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    OT:

    I ordered my 4 tickets to the Sept 4 game against Weber St. (veteran) and the ticket office folks said that the basketball season ticket info would be sent out by the end of the month..

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    Honestly you should probably never proclaim “X will definitely be the starter” based on nearly two year old high school film which, let’s be real here, is a highlight reel not “film.”

    The fact that you are putting so much weight on that “film” (and the fact that he had a 4.0 HS GPA) doesn’t lend much credence to your opinion.

    • angry angry says:
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      If it bothers you or you find my information inaccurate/’uncredible’ then don’t read the blog.

      • scotty says:
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        The Prediction Police are out on patrol!

        • Angry@angry says:
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          I don’t think anyone has a problem with predictions. Sports fans love them. Man rule on predictions is that if you make them, stick to them

          • Jack says:
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            And if someone else makes one, wrap it in a straw man and throw it back out there with your own prediction. And to make it convincing, make it a 100% guarantee.

            You are on record as writing that MM will never ever start a football game for OSU. And you give that your 100% guarantee. What follows now is not an ad hominem, as you would make. I’ll just say you may be right, but I highly doubt it. You never actually gave your reasoning for this prediction. But I’m assuming you think you’re right because it’s only based on merit for you, and you dismissed attrition out of hand. But see, now I’m just guessing at what you might have thought due to the lack of info provided.

            Whatever. It’s your prediction, not mine.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            Hi Jack, my brothers name is Jack, and he’s an idiot. I see a theme there. I never “guaranteed” MM will never start. I actually believe he will get playing time, as this offense can see the QB’s get hurt quickly. I don’t believe MM will ever be the #1 when other options are healthy.

          • Jack says:
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            It’s too bad that’s not what you wrote. You “100% guaranteed” that angry is wrong that MM will be the starter. There was no timeline or condition applied to your reasoning, including angry’s statements. So yes, you did guarantee that MM will never start.

            I see you’re now backing off your 100% guarantee.

            Nice.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            Okay perhaps you’re reading into it a little?? Angry guarantees MM will be the starter next year. What normal people take that to mean is game one, MM will start. And yeah I guarantee that will not be the case. If Collins and Mitchell go down, it’s probably MM’s turn.

          • Jack says:
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            Okay perhaps you’re reading into it a little??
            Not a whit. I’m just taking your words without trying to read between the lines. There aren’t that many lines, so it’s easy.

            Angry guarantees MM will be the starter next year.
            No, he didn’t. He gave no timeline. He didn’t say, “by the end of spring camp,” like you said earlier. He didn’t say, “by the end of fall camp,” like you have fallen back on. He doesn’t even say, “next year,” as you claim. See your first sentence.

            What normal people take that to mean is game one, MM will start.
            See the response to your second sentence, which is you doing what you incorrectly think I’m doing in your first sentence.

            And yeah I guarantee that will not be the case.
            So you are arguing against your own straw man… except it didn’t apply to your guarantee at first… at least in terms of the actual words you wrote. Sorry, was I supposed to read into them a little… or a lot?

            If Collins and Mitchell go down, it’s probably MM’s turn.
            Then your 100% guarantee would be wrong.

            And it still wouldn’t be as big a deal in the grand scheme of things that even your straw men make it out to be.

      • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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        So because I can offer critique on some of your opinions and the thought process behind them I should just not read your blog? Are you looking for readers that will agree with you and never question your opinions or methods? Come on, that goes against everything you claim to be for.

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    I’m staying on topic, I think Collins should be the starter for development purposes, but Mitchell and McMaryion should and will get meaningful reps because Collins is screwing around, or has a bad game, or gets the wind knocked out of him. I’d bet all 3 play at different junctures, but probably not concurrently. You usually wanna settle on one guy. Weber State and San Jose State, we jump on them early, and we’ll likely see all 3 guys. But against Pac-12 competition and Michigan, we see mostly Collins.

    Although I don’t think grades should really matter in sports, two different types of thinking. Jameis Winston made some horrible off field decisions and probably wasn’t too stellar in the classroom but makes consistently good decisions on the field.

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      I agree grades don’t translate to the field, but they should at least let the player learn the playbook. That’s what I was getting at: since he is learning a new offense that’s unlike the pro offense he should learn it quickly. That’s an assumption (need to clarify things like this now since the AB police are in full force), but a reasonable one.

      think Collins should be the starter for development purposes

      This brings up my other point, that if this year’s starter is a placeholder for Garretson, does that change who should start? They should probably start the guy more like Garretson if that’s the case. Someone in the media should ask GA his thinking on that transfer. If Garretson is transferring to be the QB next year. Obviously he’ll say no and it’s an open competition blah blah, but we might be able to read into the answer if someone had the smarts or guts to ask it.

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        “if someone had the smarts or guts to ask it.”
        It is very likely (maybe even certain) that Gina or Connor will have a session with GA where they invite fans to submit questions to be asked of the HC. It’s just a matter of time, anyone interested can submit a question regarding how the Garretson transfer effects the choice of THIS years QB.
        If enough folks submit a well written question I’d be willing to bet it will be asked, then we can all read between the lines of GA’s response.

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      Winston actually had a wonderlic score on par with Peyton Manning and Drew Brees a very respectable 27. and also got accepted to Stanford out of High School.

      • angry angry says:
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        The most important traits in a QB are protecting the ball, looking off the defenders/safties, and decision making (when to take what they give, when to go for more). Also performing under the lights. These are all more important than IQ, arm, etc. I thought Kellen Moore and the guy from Central Michigan (forget his name) were two of the best at it in college football this past decade. Ice in their veins and every decision was spot on. I really hope Andersen can find a guy like that. They get overlooked a lot because everyone gets hung up on tangibles.

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          Finally! someone who loves Kellen Moore, I get called crazy when I put him in my top-3 quarterbacks of the past decade. Love those guys.

          I was also just debunking the notion that Winston was not a good student. And idiot at time absolutely, but not dumb.

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          Dan LeFevour?

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            Yes. That guy was a great college QB.

            Garretson could be in that mold.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Why was Angry’s breakdown of QB’s put on twitter? I’m asking because of who all reads twitter, like recruits, parents, etc. for example.

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    It is not fair to base Collins simply on his offer sheet. He was changing high schools and injuries and such. I think he is the most athletic of the bunch and seems to have the most competitive fire in him. After that every other category seems a push between the three guys. MAYBE mcmaryion has a little better arm, but if he really did we would have seen it and heard about it. There is no way coaches of this caliber are simply going to play a guy because he is *their* guy. Shoot best guy is going on the field because what mattes at the end of the day is if they win. If Collins will give them the best shot he is starting. If mcmaryion will then he starts. However, I will say mcmaryion has been moving his way up which angry did point out earlier

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      True enough. Guys have to understand how business, any business works. The head guy always gets credit for everything but in reality has blind spots. Oh, also that is how nature has worked forever. GA is a decisive coach, repeat and rinse, he relies on his Offensive Coordinator punto, period end of story. Andy Ludwig at Wisconsin is a diversion of a story. Dave Baldwin at Colorado State was hyperventilating over Collins for months but could not close the deal. That is why he is a Beaver. On this, GA is just along for the ride and is mostly a spectator with plausible deniability, meaning if this fails, Baldwin walks the plank first. I do not think that Collins has a guarantee and will have to earn the spot. Maybe he starts and maybe one of the other guys starts. But again, when a defensive savant is the head man, the real man behind the throne in any busiiness is the OC, that is just the way it is as nature ordered.The more I think about Bama, the more I think that Saban was trying to gain intelligence about Florida. Baldwin deeply changed the new Florida coach and Saban wants to know how and why by picking the brain of a former Beaver. Bama has crazy money to be able to research and buy information anywhere , any how and any time it desires. besides, the scholarship it gave away expires in December.

  • thatguy says:
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    Who just had a kid? Angry? Beavblazer? Whoever it was, congratulations. However, that kid is a 2032 target, not a 2028 kid. Unless he skips a ton of grades.

    • Jack says:
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      Yes, congrats!

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      It was Peko……

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        True. But, I think the original question was re one of the commenters here. All I remember is the advice the future dad was given regarding the prevention of gas pains in infants.
        And, congrats to both.

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      Whoops, shows you how much a couple days in the hospital with no sleep can scramble your brains, and I work with numbers for a living. Embarassing, but instead of fixing it, I’m going with him just being a smart kid who develops quickly.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    I think it’s time for another breakdown…because quite frankly this isn’t the position I’m most worried about.

    Let’s talk about the Offensive Line…..

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    DeCarolis lands a gig as advisor to the Michigan AD. Who says you can never go home again?

  • scotty says:
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    Holy crap, I’m in a bar and these two people next to me are having the most boring date or hangout conversation ever. Something about ranking California colleges and saying U of O is UC Riverside. Not sure what that means, but I’ll pretend it’s an insult.

    I AM sure no one’s getting action tonight though. (me included)

    • Jack says:
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      You sure it wasn’t that OSU was UC Riverside? They’re about the same academically. Or are they saying that, like UCR, Nikegon is about the seventh best school in their respective state?

      • scotty says:
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        Nope, definitely the quackers being UC Riverside. The guy was explaining how U of O has a bigger endowment because Phil Knight went there. Further proof that you can’t talk about U of O without mentioning its owner – uh, benefactor. Might as well call it Knight University at this point.

        • Jack says:
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          Wow. That’s a metric I didn’t see coming. An endowment is indicative of the value of the education at any certain university.

          Nice to know.

          I guess Kentucky is twice as good a school as OHSU, OSU, Reed or Nikegon… or UCSD (giggle). It has to be three times as good a school as UCSB or UCD now. It’s equivalent to UBC.

          And yes, all UO Foundation subsidiaries (like Phit, LLC… wonder where they came up with that name) are included in their consolidated accounts.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Not sure if anybody else posted this already. Eggers column on Collins with interviews from his HS coach, his dad and GA

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/266130-134356-collins-vies-for-starting-role-

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