23.Sep.2015 Blogging with the Enemy (Stanford)

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Here‘s my writeup for their site.

When they send answers over tonight I will update this post.

Update with Hank’s answers:

  1. What do Stanford fans think of their new DC? Has their D regressed since the last guy left for Vandy?

Derek Mason has actually been gone for two years now, so this past off-season was the first in several years without any changes in the coaching staff. Lance Anderson’s second year as a defensive coordinator has been successful so far. Last year’s defense was arguably the best unit in school history, and even though only two starters returned from that group (linebacker Blake Martinez and cornerback Ronnie Harris), they’ve continued to play at a high level. It will be interesting to watch the group come together, because even though they’re inexperienced, there’s lots of talent, probably more than we’ve ever seen on a Stanford roster.

 

  1. Has Stanford faced more 3 or 4 man D lines; any significant difference in the results vs the two?  How are they likely to respond if the Beavs switch up their front from 3 to 4 and back again?

I really don’t know which scheme they’ve seen more often or which scheme might give them more trouble. The offensive line is fairly experienced, having lost only left tackle Andrus Peat from last year’s group. The left side of the line features two players with Sunday football in their futures, tackle Kyle Murphy and guard Josh Garnett, but last week’s game against USC was the first time the unit was able to put together a consistent effort. Their struggles have had more to do with execution than the opponent’s scheme, in my opinion, as they’ve had issues with penalties, some of which seem to be technique related. Josh Garnett, for example, has shown a tendency to chop block. It will be interesting to see if last week’s performance was an aberration or the beginning of something special. I’m looking forward to finding out.

 

  1. When the Beavs go uptempo, will that effect Stanford at all? Is Stanford better defending the run or pass?

You know how it is in the Pac-12 these days — everyone goes up tempo. Oregon’s hyperdrive offense was problematic for the Cardinal once upon a time, but once they figured out how to deal with that — both schematically and mentally — all the other fast-paced offenses weren’t quite as scary anymore. The Trojans pushed the pace last weekend and gave Stanford some trouble on the game’s opening drive, but that was more because they got caught in a nickel package and couldn’t sub out of it. The other part of your question is kind of tough to answer right now. The defensive line is terribly thin, having lost a starter and a backup, and starting outside linebacker Kevin Anderson will also miss the game. The defensive backs, meanwhile, are incredibly talented — perhaps the most talented group in school history — but incredibly young. Seven of the eleven defensive backs on the two-deep are freshmen or sophomores, and at least one true freshman, Quentin Meeks, gets considerable playing time. For the past two years the defense has had trouble creating turnovers, and this year they’ve added an inability to sack the quarterback. I still like this defense, though, and I can’t wait to see what they grow into over the course of the season.

 

  1. What practice schedule has Stanford followed to deal with the quick turnaround for a Friday game on the road? Will the short week plus travel factor into the outcome, in your opinion?

David Shaw has talked about the need to compress his normal week into a much shorter time frame. Remember, in the Pac-12’s infinite wisdom, they had a road night game heading into this week’s Friday night game, and there’s added concern because they were involved in such a physical matchup on Saturday night. Shaw has said that they’ll be leaning heavily on their senior leadership to keep the team focused, especially considering the emotions of last week’s win and the perceived weaknesses of this week’s opponent. It’s definitely going to be a challenge.

 

  1. What do Stanford fans think of OSU now with Riley gone, and the Gary Andersen hire, in general?

Stanford fans are scared of this game, which is a classic trap game. I know that you and your readers weren’t among Mike Riley’s biggest fans, but I think Stanford fans appreciated him for what he was. If there’s a question about Andersen, it has to do with his departure from Wisconsin. He left a team with enormous fan support and consistent on-field success to come out west to Oregon State? I understand that he’s from Utah, so maybe he just wasn’t comfortable in the Midwest, but it’s still pretty surprising. It got even more surprising when word leaked that he made the move because Wisconsin’s admissions standards were too strict for him, which seems a bit like complaining that McDonald’s serves too much healthy food. Anyway, I hope it works out for him.

 

  1. The Beavers played a team, Michigan, who many think are similar to Stanford. Would you agree the teams are similar, and do you think having played a physical opponent factors into the game at all?

The Stanford-Michigan comparison is a natural one because of Jim Harbaugh’s history at Stanford, but it will take another couple recruiting cycles before the Wolverines start looking like a Harbaugh team. The DNA is there, though. Both teams will feature pro-style offenses that run the ball first and rely heavily on tight ends, and since the Michigan coaching staff is sprinkled with guys who coached under Harbaugh in Palo Alto, I’m sure schemes will begin to look familiar on both sides of the ball. Oregon State’s experience with Michigan, however, should help. One advantage that Stanford enjoys is that their style of play has become unique in today’s college football world. There aren’t too many teams that use fullbacks and tight ends like they do, so OSU’s additional exposure can only help them. Ironically, though, that game could end up helping Stanford more than Oregon State. The offensive coaches and players have talked about how they gain almost nothing studying film of opposing Pac-12 defenses because all they see is a teams defending spread offenses week after week. They have no idea how a given defense will approach their pro-style offense until the game actually begins, so they end up doing more guess work than prep work. For this week, at least, they should have something to look at.

  1. For Stanford to win, what has to happen? What is your prediction?

For Stanford to win, the quarterback play has to be solid. The problem, of course, is that we won’t know until 7:30 on Friday night whether that quarterback will be Kevin Hogan or someone else. Hogan suffered an ankle injury during the third quarter of the USC game. He played through the pain in heroic fashion, but he left the Coliseum on crutches and in a walking boot and has done nothing but walk-throughs and virtual reality training during practice this week. Shaw is typically tight-lipped about player injuries, but he seems to be being honest when he says that he won’t know Hogan’s status until Friday. If Hogan can’t play, some combination of Keller Chryst and Ryan Burns will be thrown into the fire. Neither has thrown a single meaningful pass, and neither has claimed the backup job outright; the two of them have been bound with an OR on the first three depth charts of the season. Burns looks like a quarterback — 6’5” with mobility and a rocket arm — but even after three years in the program he hasn’t done much to impress anyone. As recently as last season he was having trouble with even the most basic part of a quarterback’s job. He couldn’t handle snaps from under center. Redshirt freshman Keller Chryst, on the other hand, is the heir apparent. Raised in a football family (his father Paul is the offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers and Uncle Geep is head coach at Wisconsin), Chryst has a knowledge of the game as well as the physical tools to be Stanford’s next great quarterback. While it would be nice to get an extended look at him this Friday night, it’s important to remember that all his football thus far has been played on Friday nights. I think the Cardinal can still win with these two guys, but I’d obviously be much more comfortable if Hogan’s able to go.

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  • Jack says:
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    Whoa!

    That site has our logo on it… the one we’ve had for a couple years now and hasn’t made it on the Pac 12 Network consistently over the angry poop smear. I’m guessing these people think they’re smarter than the average bear?

  • 2 says:
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    I like the prediction. I am going to the game, first one in 2 years and the wife and im will make some noise. I have a god feeling going into this game. Go Beavs!

  • Numbers says:
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    I have highly anticipated this exchange. It has been one of my favorites over the years now.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      ditto, and nice work by Angry to complete his part first.

    • angry angry says:
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      Hank’s answers are up now. Sorry for the formatting issue, but I can’t seem to fix it.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    On first reading Hank’s opinion that film of the MI game would be valuable to Stanford’s planning on O, I was encouraged because I expect the Beavs D to be different in scheme and toughness this week. Then I realized that Stanford has seen Sitake’s D in past years so maybe Stanford will be well prepared at least for the scheme. But,maybe all they’ll know is that he can be unpredictable.

    I’m looking forward to all parts of the game but especially the results on D, even a single takeaway could prove to be the difference and a pattern of rushing/hitting the QB could take a toll. In the end, though, I’m concerned about depth; Grimble will be missed and Vakameilalo and Hungalu may not be able to play much. Hope I’m wrong, but I expect a gassed D late in the third, maybe sooner.

  • blackbug says:
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    I noticed that Hank got the Chryst brothers confused and decided that is how I felt about the accuracy of the information on many of his answers.
    It is nice to get information and view points from a competitor.

  • Numbers says:
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    “I personally don’t feel you can teach a guy to throw at his age, but time will tell. ”

    Collins is what, 19? At(by) what age does a guy need to know how to throw? Honest question.

    • osbeavs says:
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      This is a very interesting philosophical question. Depends on the coach. At one time I had been to conferences featuring both Langsdorf and Kelly. Kelly liked to tweak a throwing motion and fiddle. It was clear Kelly was very confident in his ability (maybe top confident given what the Eagles now look like) while Langsdorf would say that he won’t mess with a throwing motion. He figured most kids were fixed in their habits by college. Once in a whole he might work on major mechanical changes before the end of a redshirt year.

      Anyways, point is the answer to your question is philosophical more than anything.

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t know, but at 19 that’s many years of throwing/muscle memory that will be hard to break. This is the reason players learn proper form and fundamentals at a young age, and good coaches ingrain it.

      I’m sure science/sports medicine has tried to quantify it, but someone else can look that up.

      My assumption, given his father and other connections, is that Collins had good coaching and this is unfortunately how he throws, and that’s not going to change. We’ll see, I guess.

      • Jack says:
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        I remember hearing John Wooden talk about it once. I think he was asked about Jamaal Wilkes free throw motion, and he said by that age you just don’t mess with what already works.

      • osbeavs says:
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        Specifically regarding teaching fundamentals from a young age… There is not much purpose to teaching at a very young age (<5 years). Honestly, let young kids play. Teach technique in middle school. For the most part the proprioceptive ability of a young kid is very poor due to differing head/body ratio. Additionally, as kids grow rapidly their proprioceptive ability is very poor (think tall gangly kid who had no coordination in early high school). These things balance out at the end of high school. Some disagree certainly on playing with throwing motion but I would say that at 19, efforts should be made to continue to improve mechanics. I think Collins still has time.

  • Jack says:
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    I know that you and your readers weren’t among Mike Riley’s biggest fans, but I think Stanford fans appreciated him for what he was.

    But?

    Are the two sentences joined by this conjunction contradictory? The difference, of course, is that knowing him for what he was can be appreciated by a fan of an opposing team.

    • scotty says:
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      I’ve noticed a lot of Riley appreciation comes from opponents… Except for Pete Carroll. Sure had his number

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        To know him is to not love him.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Mike Riley.
        Negative Recruiting Against Nebraska Shows Concern by Opponents
        College Football Regardless of those among the Nebraska fan base that still aren’t convinced Mike Riley is the guy for the job, there are several coaches across the land that believe he still has one of…
        1 day 2 hours ago by Brandon Cavanaugh

        • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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          Sweet geebus, that article was a pita to try and follow… I think the point was B1G coaches, and other coaches, are using negative social media (by nebby fans re: Riley) against ol smiley.

          Is negative recruiting somehow new? Or was he astonished fans would be upset with the mad peddaler?

        • Jack says:
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          That reeks of concern (and dare I say fear) going up against a 1-2 team for prospects.

          https://athlonsports.com/college-football/negative-recruiting-against-nebraska-shows-concern-opponents

          So… let me get this straight. Going head to head with a 1-2 team for a PSA reeks of concern and fear? Should other teams who don’t want to appear to be reeking of concern and fear stop recruiting said PSA? Should the 1-2 team stop recruiting him out of consideration for the process which might make others appear concerned or fearful?

          What’s this guy trying to say? I get, “I know recruiting is a game. I know a lot about recruiting. Let me show you how much I know about recruiting by saying dumb shit that makes zero sense.”

          I didn’t follow any of his links because I was concerned and fearful that they might be more of the same jibberish. Perhaps they filled out some of the vast holes in this article’s logic? I will never know.

          We should give this article to any PSAs where we go head to head with NU for their commitments.

          • mckalk says:
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            You’re a better man than I if you have any idea what “Brandon Cavanaugh” was trying to say.

          • Jack says:
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            That’s just what I understood… a shot in the dark. Dude lost me at about the second link.

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    I thought it was interesting that it wasn’t tempo per se that got the tree into some trouble against USC. But, that they were caught in a nickel package and couldn’t sub out of it. Perhaps there is something there that can be exploited with a no huddle. Early in drives, use a versatile personnel group, go no-huddle, take a lot of time at the line of scrimmage (to give the D more time to rest), lots of shifting and motion. I guess this is why I am not a coach.

    • Outcast says:
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      Not sure how much it is done at the college level, but for years, Peyton Manning has utilized the no-huddle when the defense was at a disadvantage with the personnel they had on the field. Result was usually either a big play or a penalty for the defense having too many players on the field while trying to substitute players in.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Yeah for that to be successful you need to be productive and get first downs. Means nothing if you can’t start a drive. So it’s going to be important to do well on 11st downs

  • Gobeavs82 says:
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    Angry, this blog trade is really good work. I understand now why you cant get media credentials – you are the real threat to their existence.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Coach Baldwin: Imo drinking 18 diet cokes a day is nothing to be proud of but it appears you won’t come to that realization until AFTER you’ve come down with some aliment which was more than likely caused by what’s in the diet coke.

    And the people will shake their heads and say isn’t it a shame.

    • angry angry says:
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      drinking 18 diet cokes a day is nothing to be proud of

      It’s disgusting.

    • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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      I thought I’d read he’s been doing it for years. You’d think it would’ve happened by now. Don’t get me wrong I enjoy a Diet Coke as much as the next guy, but 18 per day? That’s ludicrous.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        The artificial sweeteners in such as diet sodas do not taste sweet to many people — they taste bitter. There is no perfect artificial sweetener.

  • angry angry says:
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    Baldwin sees the same thing I was mentioning that things seem to be clicking more on offense.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/09/oregon_state_beavers_practice_56.html

  • Corliss says:
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    Does anyone else find it humorous that the Stanford blogger turns his nose at Wisconsin’s academic standards, yet he is using his half million dollar education to run a football blog?

    Shouldn’t he be independently wealthy by now?

    • angry angry says:
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      Why do you assume running a blog is all he does?

      I agree with him that having academic standards is a weird complaint, especially for GA who claims to have high standards/expectations across the board and claims to want what is best for the “kids”. Well, good education is best for them. GA has a lot of contradictions, I am beginning to notice. I don’t think he sees them so at least they aren’t malicious.

      What is hilarious is Wisconsin thinks they’re an elite academic school. That’s the funniest part of all this.

      • Jack says:
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        There’s nothing contradictory about wanting to give under served students an education others get almost by default and thinking you’re a person well enough equipped to guide them to that goal. Ed Ray has the same philosophy and has seen fit to provide all the services necessary for those students whether they’re athletes or just students from similar situations who just need some of those tools to acclimate to the higher levels and greater rigors college demands.

        If one school is willing to let potential contributors to society, some at spectacular levels, fall through the cracks because they’re prideful of some metric that makes them look good in college ratings porn rags, then perhaps the stereotype of the ivory tower applies to them more so than others.

        • calibeav says:
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          Well said.. We don’t know the full deal with GA’s issues. I’m guessing some potentially high character kids were left out of the mix by mere technicalities and that likely pissed him off. That’s usually the case with these things. There’s probably one or two scenarios that pushed him over the edge.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            I think it was a small issue he used to cover up the main one. Barry Alvarez can’t keep his fingers off the football program he built. GA being a good politician.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            Caleb Smith is ill or something, too.

          • angry angry says:
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            Insane in the membrane.

          • Jack says:
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            Hide from the red light beam.

      • Corliss says:
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        Anyone who has a blog that is “Dedicated to the Character and Cruelty of Stanford Football” does not have a real job.

        • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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          If you look at the the right hand corner of his site it appears he’s a teacher of some sort (asks/thanks for book donations for his students.)

          Don’t hate. I like he and angry do this back and forth every year. It would be cool there were other rival blogs that did this for every game.

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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            Well said, Dwill03. I too, wish there were other rival blogs of this nature.
            And, “Don’t hate” is an appropriate sentiment IMHO. The first time i remember the back and forth with Hank, I checked further into his book donation request, here is some of what he wrote in that regard,

            I write this blog during the wee hours of the night, but by day I am a mild-mannered middle school English teacher — ironically enough, at a place called Stanford Middle School. I teach all types of students, some of whom might end up at Stanford University one day, but today I want to talk to you about a group of 8th grade students that is close to my heart.

            My seventh period class is made up of the 23 lowest readers in the school. Many of them had not read a book on their own before coming into my class, but in their second year in my room — third year for a handful of them — many of them are seeing the light and discovering the joy of reading.

            And, regarding donations, he adds,

            …If you’ve ever read something here and thought, “This is as good as something I might find behind another site’s paywall,” or if GMC is a daily stop for you, please consider clicking on the link below…..
            No, it won’t pay for my webhosting fees, but it will do something much more important. It will keep a student’s love for reading alive. …

            Seems to me he is putting his education to good use.

          • osbeavs says:
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            Can’t thumb this up enough.

      • blackbug says:
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        I understand it had more to do with the frustration of working with the admissions department and getting communication that all was set for athletes to go to school there only to find out at the last minute that this was not true. Having standards is one thing, but moving the standard or not clearly communicating the the standard is another thing.

        Let’s also remember that Andersen was always very clear that his primary reason for coming to OSU was that he felt guided to this location. Call that whatever you want: Inspiration, Comfort, Location or anything else.

        I have always found that anyone who attempts to hold themselves and others, as a leader, to high standard runs the risk appearing contradictory. Case in point, the Collins and McMaryion situation, his news conferences made it appear that the reps would be pretty even for the first couple of games, but Andersen also said that they would follow the hot hand and either quarterback will often end up with most of the reps in any game. By this logic if Collins is ineffective in a game then McMaryion will come in. It just so happens that so far this season Collins has been much more effective when given playing time. The lack of playing time for McMaryion is a definite argument, but does not change that he has been less effective. You put this all together then I would say it follows pretty closely to what Andersen said, but not perfectly. Who knows at the end of the season McMaryion may have proved more effective than Collins in some games creating the exact situation that was perceived to begin with.

        I guess I just felt it is to early to say someone is contradictory, especially when said person is supposed to make decisions in favor of one person over another while managing and caring about both persons.

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          That’s a very good post, and I’m glad you got into everything that you did.

          I haven’t concluded he’s contradictory, though. At least I hope I didn’t. What I have been doing is spotting some red flags. It’s not like I’m actively looking for them, but just noticing them when they happen. Andersen has had quite a few. I’m sure Riley had a lot (?), but maybe not since he never committed to anything. I think when you commit to something you screw yourself in a way. Just like if I make a comment about a player — some readers think that’s etched in stone and not fluid. It’s fluid as things change. But back to Andersen, as I said, “I don’t think he sees them so at least they aren’t malicious.” I think it’s just that he really feels what he feels, so he says it, and then something changes so he really feels that new thing, and it might conflict with the old feeling…I’d say this is normal in people with strong convictions. Now, is it a problem? It could be if promises are made and then broken…players could turn on him. At this stage it’s not a problem.

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        More than the academic standards, it sounded from what I’ve read like there was a communication problem with admissions. It led to broken plans and recruits being left in the cold. I think that bothered Andersen more than needing whatever GPA or courses

        • Jack says:
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          That’s what I understood most. GA had a kid he wanted and wanted to play for him. GA asks Wiscy admin what kid needs to do to get into school since it looks like he’s close. Admin says kid must do A+B+C and he’s good to go. GA tells kid. Kid does A+B+C. Admin tells kid to go to hell.

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    OT- Beavs in the NFL

    http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=210363393

  • beaverfan5 beaverfan5 says:
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    I’ve been reading this blog for months and absolutely love it. I have been trying to register but I never get an email to confirm. Could you please help out Angry. Thanks.

    • angry angry says:
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      Try now, buddy. You were being flagged as spam by the auto system.

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    Is it normal for the Cardinal site to not have any comments on it? Are they more apathetic than we are or are they doing more important Stanford stuff like building warp drives and curing athlete’s foot?

    • HopefulAin'tAPlan says:
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      Athlete’s foot cure = gallon of apple cider vinegar, pint of water, two cap fulls of bleach. Soak foot twice daily for 30 minutes and let air dry. Adjust amount of water added based on how skin reacts to bleach. More water if skin burns. Two weeks and you will have a healthy foot. Replace soaking mixture every two days.

      Now you can say an Oregon State Grad found the cure for athletes foot. Take that Stanford.

    • scotty says:
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      Are you kidding? It’s normal for the Cardinal stadium to not have any fans in it!

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    Tweet from Jon Wilner: “Per Stanford: QB Kevin Hogan had encouraging practice Thurs, remains a game-time decision.” https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline

    • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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      Interesting, you got to think his scrambling will be limited.

    • Numbers says:
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      Hopefully they waste a lot of prep on him and then decide in the first series to take a seat

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    OT: Lame in the news…..interwed edition.

    Lane Kiffin Resigns After Sleeping With Nick Saban’s Daughter?
    http://www.totalprosports.com/2015/09/24/lane-kiffin-sex-nick-saban-daughter/
    Total Pro Sports? – 6 hours ago

  • OSAlum94 OSAlum94 says:
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    Angry, <<<< I have a rather unfortunate Icon/Avatar next to my name here. Yellow and Green. I'm not a troll or an Oregon fan. I've tried to change it. How do the guys get their own icon? There's Jack and the AC/DC guy. What, do I have to have a thousand posts or know how to program? Contributing editor???????? How 'bout Orange and Black random tetris shapes for me??? That would be very cool.

  • Mb says:
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    I watched Aaron Rodgers throw as a ten year old against my 10 year old . He was a short scrawny kid with huge feet. He was unbelievably accurate, competitive and smart. Over the years he got bigger and better. When he left Butte, Tedford taught him to squat like making a poop behind the center and to hold the ball up behind the ear. This was totally bogus and it took him four years in the pros to unlearn. My limited experience coaching tells me that 19 is a very arbitrary age to write someone off. It means squat. Having said that, there is a ceiling for everyone. Kapernick is the same today as when I saw him play as a freshman at Nevada. Same strengths and weaknesses. I am quite optimistic about Beaver play this weekend, win or lose.

    • Numbers says:
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      Thanks for the insight, I asked about the proper throwing development age for personal insight. My son is only two, but never too early to make a backup plan(academics first). See, I was blessed with speed athleticism, and work ethic, but I still throw like a girly. Hoping to pass on the good traits and learn from the weak ones.

      • osbeavs says:
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        Numbers,
        For your son I wouldn’t worry about anything but fun for a while. He should enjoy sports before working too hard on mechanics. Would hate to see him burnout do to overwork. All of the at said, he probably can’t even begin to work on throwing mechanics until after 5 as his head makes up too big of a portion of his body to do anything meaningful. His hand size will be a significant limit after that. He honestly won’t gain much out of mechanics teaching until at least 8.

        • angry angry says:
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          Where is that HS football coach who posts here when we need him?

    • angry angry says:
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      I’m not sure I said 19 is a cutoff.

      I’d probably put it lower, actually. But there are always exceptions to something general like this. Here’s to hoping Collins is an exception/late bloomer. One thing about Collins is even though he can’t throw, he appears to be a good leader and have an “alpha” presence. That and his wheels are his only positive traits at this point.

  • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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    Sorry OT. Did anyone else see a short sideline clip in the second half vs Michigan of storm chewing Collins ass when 3M was in? It was a pumped up Storm with Collins not even looking Storm in the eyes. Probably trying to get him straight.

    • angry angry says:
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      Funny because people said 3M was moping, and I said probably because he felt he cost them the game.

      Then I noticed Collins looked happy when 3M threw that INT vs Weber. He gave a Mona Lisa smile, or had smiling eyes at least. It was disturbing. I don’t like the guy, but hope he wins OSU some games.

      Sounds like the Drive might highlight all this.

  • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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    Also maybe a thread on the Beavers being on The Drive? Anyone else watch yesterday?

    • angry angry says:
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      It’s too bad they didn’t put it up on replay. I missed it, and I don’t see it on their site or anywhere.

  • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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    It was when 3M went in and the camera panned to the sideline to catch Collins reaction. Probably about 10 seconds only. I’ll try to figure out how to record it on my phone and post it. I think I can do that…right? But more important is this game, now today. Nice right up angry. Thanks for this site man.
    Go BEAVS!

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