07.Dec.2015 Coaching Rumors/Sitake and Dropped Passes

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I know you guys want to talk about Sitake and who will replace him, if he leaves. Go for it. I’m indifferent to that because I don’t think he is a great coach like he’s made out to be. Then again, I didn’t think Shaw was a great coach, and it turns out he is pretty damn good even after the Harbaugh halo.

Anyway, what I find more interesting is the constant complaining by fans about dropped passes. Mostly Bolden. Obviously I understand why those people complained. Bolden did seem to drop a ton of balls, though I don’t see those stats logged anywhere. Here are the NFL figures and the explanation as to why a WR drops passes.

More about Dropped Passes

Usually receivers who play the slot position tend to drop the ball less because they catch shorter passes and are known for their ‘good hands’ over and above other physical attributes like speed and size.

It’s easy to blame the wide receiver for dropped passes, but partial blame can sometimes fall on the quarterback.  Consistently throwing into tight situations or slight accuracy issues can lead to a higher percentage of drops as well.

Under Mannion these same WRs had fewer drops (from memory, as we don’t have the stats). I think a lot of it was their lack of confidence in the QB, especially Collin’s hospital balls. Then MM and Mitchell were hit and miss with accuracy. All of that takes a tole on WRs. I think these WRs are much better than they looked, and that will be proven if there’s adequate QB play next season.

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  • Watched Practice says:
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    Garretson throws a nice ” catchable ball ” …

  • scotty says:
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    Sitake is better than Banker (yeah so is my dog) and also a good recruiter. Continuity is also good after nearly the whole staff changed last year.

    It’s not DEFCON 1 if Sitake leaves, but it’s a setback.

  • angry angry says:
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    It’s interesting that Julian Edelman, who is considered a good WR, drops over 9% of balls, and he has Tom Brady throwing to him…

    Amari Cooper, considered the best rookie WR talent, has almost an 8% drop rate, and has Carr throwing to him.

    Bolden had Seth Collins, MM, and Mitchell throwing to him…I’m not a Bolden apologist or anything, but I think his drops need to be put into context. He’s an amateur who had a WR/”playmaker” throwing him the ball most of the year. He didn’t drop nearly as many last year with Mannion. I don’t even like Bolden and thought it was insane when the media dubbed him a Cooks replacement. I think he’s okay as a #3 or 4 WR and is a good kick returner. I agree with some who said moving him to DB might be better for all, but short of that he’ll be serviceable as a #3 WR with a better QB, and he’s good on kick returns (Think he had two TDs this year and maybe one last year).

    In the article above, their definition of a drop is up for debate. I think it should be balls the WR gets two hands on, not just if he touches the ball.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Edelman is smart, which is why Brady targets him a lot. If he’s about to take a pass 4 yards deep and knows he’ll lose yardage because the D had the right call or someone busted the play, he’ll just drop the ball. He also gets a lot of passes down and between defenders where the ball gets there but distractions kepp him from making the play. He still earns his keep.

      When receivers drop it on the pro level, there are degrees of difficulty which can excuse some drops. It’s the ones where they turn their heads before catching it and one where it’s dropped in the bucket which are inexcusable. And those guys get paid for it.

      Since Bolden doesn’t get paid, his are excusable in a developmental sense. He seemed to have at least one or two of the NFL-inexcusable drops per game. But he knows that and has an obligation to correct it for next year if he wants to have fun. If it’s once every four games or disappears altogether, he’s good in my book.

      • Numbers says:
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        Next year could be a great year for him if he works on catching those passes that have been hitting him in both hands, or on the numbers, or right into the facemask.

        But then again, if he can work on catching the ball and improves, then why hasn’t that already been worked on? Coaches putting cart before the horse maybe? Suspect WR coach??

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I don’t see any problem with pointing at the coach as being mostly responsible. He is the one who prepares his crew and makes suggestions to GA about who is capable of what. If he’s playing and keeps making those mistakes, then it is the fault of the coaches in the end.

          Did we have anyone other than him left at the end of the season?

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      NO ONE drops Tom Brady’s deflated balls

    • Victor Bolden says:
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      Thanks, for understanding Angry! Keep in mind next season will be the fifth QB to throw balls to me so its hard to learn how to catch all these wobbly passes. Each QB has a different wobble to their inaccurate passes.

      #TopWRcorpInPac12

  • Numbers says:
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    I still blame the dropped balls on the WR group coach. Coaches fault. Only coach left from Riley regime.

  • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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    Not a surprise, but thought I’d at least post this update

    https://twitter.com/SportsBros/status/673941475915272192

    The Sports Bros ?@SportsBros 5h5 hours ago
    A source close to Kalani Sitake confirmed to us that the Oregon State DC will interview for the BYU HC position and is very interested.

    • Boba says:
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      Sitake will take it if it’s offered, but not all recruits are going to follow him to BYU unless they are ready for a severe lifestyle change. It has been noted, that Bronco felt chaffed under the strict environment at BYU and left for the freedom he will have at Virginia to run the program as he sees fit and get back to being himself again.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Michael Jackson and subway Jared’s alma mater.

      Bringum Young

      I’m already going to hell

      • osu97 says:
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        You’re wrong. They both went to Penn State for undergraduate and ND for post graduate work.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I keep passing this post and wanting to say… not Notre Dame… Seminary.

  • Angry@angry says:
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    Bolden is good for drops no matter who the QB is. “Hospital balls” is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      You don’t read your own drivel-by shots?

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      hospital balls? Did you get an infection or something?

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Yup, it’s so dumb.

      https://youtu.be/OG9mCeSUnFE

      • Angry@angry says:
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        If That’s the first time you’ve seen a hit like that, welcome to football. By the way, Villamin, not anyone else was sent to the hospital trying to catch a pass from Collins.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          That’s because he threw them in the dirt or 15 feet over their head 48% of the time. And someone else got tossed on their head, I think in the colorado game, can’t remember who. He’s a shitty passer, how’s that.

      • Beavlover69 says:
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        Haha that pass was right on the money in a tight window. A receiver getting lit up crossing the field is a pretty normal football play. Guys like Tony Romo, Drew Brees and Kurt Warner have thrown passes that have been more dangerous for their receivers than that.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          You mean that duck? Watch it, it hung in the air forever. He followed him acrossed the field, villamin was the only guy he was throwing to on that play. No check down, just stay with him and set him up with a slow lobbying pass.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          If your QB throws you into that, your QB sucks.

          There is no other way to describe it. There is no reason a WR should get smacked like that. It happens. The best know how to not make it happen. If it happens a lot, then you need to start looking at someone who will leave your roster intact.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            You’re seriously so dumb Jack. After you’ve played a down of football, then come back and talk like you know it. Every QB tries to fit it into a tight window. Sure, they aren’t trying to get their WR decked, but it happens. No matter who throws it, it happens.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Like, I’m so dumb. Everyone does it. Throwing late and high across the middle after telegraphing the throw is just the smartest thing ever, and WRs need to make those catches because everyone does it. Duh! I should get with it. That’s great football on any level if the WRs are fearless and hold on to the ball before they’re carted off the field. I mean, that’s what happens to every receiver because everyone does that… exactly that… everyone… a lot. Whaaaaah!

            Sheesh!

            Got any more fallacies in that there bag?

          • Angry@angry says:
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            So you’re saying Peyton Manning doesn’t do this? Brady’s WR’s don’t get led into hits? Watch football Jack

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Led into? No.

            Do situations necessitate WRs having to go over the middle and taking some hits every now and then? Well no shit Sherlock! Thank you for that brilliant update.

            But do they lead them, unprotected, into sledgehammers? Are you fucking drunk? And do they do it multiple times per game? They wouldn’t be on an NFL roster if that was the case, let alone being who they are (or were). They would not have played D1 ball on the level they did, if D1 ball at all… because… you know… they can’t run and hurdle.

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    The Bolden drops were the wide-open-gonna-score kind, like when he broke his finger last year. It’s like a guard that can shake and bake and always pull up to hit the jumper, but shoots 60% from the line.

    • Boba says:
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      Unless there are comparative stats, I’m not sure how to rank or rate Bolden, so I’m not sure of the point? Not to be so critical of him? Cooks was an elite college receiver, I’m not sure that was ever a fair comparison.

      • Nak says:
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        A remote comparison to Cookie is an offense to all that Brandin has achieved! Yes, QB play sucked this year but VB had so many hit him in the hands or right on the numbers and he still dropped them. He’s a special teamer at best in the Pac.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          The one thing that sets Brandin apart, and will for another decade, is his attention to detail in every facet of his life. He knows where his bread is buttered. And he has never let anything distract him. He’s the type of person who if he does one thing right, he has to do everything right, or that diminishes the accomplishment.

          That’s what has been instilled over the last year at OSU. It wasn’t here. It was apparent that it wasn’t here for quite a while. Someone here may have said something about it once… maybe twice.

          Buying in means taking care of your business. If Bolden takes care of his business, he’ll be fine. I don’t think he has next level abilities, and I would like to have more next level guys. But he has ability enough to be a great receiver on this level (not elite). If he catches some of the easy drops we’ve seen, he can be at least a 1K receiver. That’s pretty great on the D1 level to me.

          And if he doesn’t, it will be apparent.

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    Sarkisian claims he was molested as a child in 5, 4, 3, 2,1……..

  • David Parnell says:
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    Nobody on the current roster is necessarily known for having great hands. It’s part of the reason that none of the players were highly recruited.

    Players can improve with coaching and practice, but there’s also an element of a player either having “it” or not. I can’t see any of the current players on the roster at receiver or otherwise that have all of the tools to be an impact player in the NFL.

    If Andersen can recruit a good QB, the right player can make those around him better. Then start getting better players to play with a good QB, and you have a recipe for at least a competitive team that has a chance to win a game at the pac12 level.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      The only one that was known for good hands was Mullaney. Saw a highlight of him catching a TD in the SEC championship game over the weekend.

    • blackbug says:
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      In the film I saw Timmy Hernandez the JC recruit looked like he has exceptional hands, which may be why they recruited him even though it appears he is not highly recruited. Adding a receiver to the roster with really good hands.

    • Beav in TX says:
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      Jarmon had offers from Baylor and Missouri. I always thought he had good hands from watching his HS film, but I remember him dropping one of the few passes he saw this year.

  • Mb says:
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    We all over rated receivers last year. I like Angry’s use of stats rather than just relying on emotion. Bolden’s drops may be related to throws. Interesting. I would like to see Bolden improve awareness of yardsticks, and then learn to use quickness to prolong drives.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      The counter argument was that even Nikegon’s WRs were better. They weren’t. And then they were. And then they weren’t again. And then they were.

      Drops, lapses in concentration, production… all of it determined by how well the QB was playing. The same guys who couldn’t hold on to a bubble screen from QB2 could do so just fine from QB1.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I believe in Coach A’s vision and believe he would bring in somebody that meets his standards. I am not overly concerned with Sitake’s imminent departure. It would surprise me a little if BYU went for a guy with no HC experience, but maybe they feel he is ready?

    I think it would hurt recruiting, however BYU is forever going to be strong with the Poly’s so I don’t know if it would be a huge blow.

    • mexibeav mexibeav says:
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      I agree. I don’t believe Sitake has proven enough to be a HC. I would think he would go after a lower division program, but he feels he could get one in D1. Good for him. I have trust in GA to bring in someone who can do the job.

      As far as recruiting, I don’t know if many recruits would head to BYU. I mean playing at an independent school vs a Pac12 school? I only see Mormon guys maybe making the switch. I also wonder if Sitake would take any of the assistants. Too many whatifs, but I think we’re OK whether or not he leaves.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    OSU having an in home with a kid that’s also getting visits from the likes of LSU and Oklahoma. Yikes.

    I suspect that didn’t happen very often if at all during the Riley era.

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    Maybe you don’t care if Sitake leaves, but who from our current defensive staff does he take with him?

  • angry angry says:
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    Andersen has openly stated he thinks Sitake would make a good HC and expects him to be hired away at some point, so I don’t think this would be a shock, and he probably has someone in mind. Or he can promote from within if any of the D coaches are ready. I don’t understand the Sitake love. I saw nothing at Utah or OSU that said great DC or great future HC.

    • Hi_I'm_Chuckie says:
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      I completely agree Angry…. One thing about Andersen is he is from an elite coaching tree and because of that has many connections. Guaranteed he has a plan for that exact situation. GA is a big picture guy, stuff like that is always on his mind.

    • blackbug says:
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      I think Sitake is a good coach, but he has not really had much chance to prove he is a great coach. I think good coaches are a dime a dozen in college football. My qualifications for a great coach may not be very high, but I think that most of the head coaches in the Pac-12 have shown themselves to be great coaches.

      If Sitake were to leave it would be a hindrance, but not a game changer. I prefer that he not leave at this point, but it would next man up if he did. I am pretty confident that Tuiaki would be gone with him.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      Sure we get a new D coordinator who may or may not be better. But it’ll be the second offseason in a row in which we have to scramble to keep recruits instead of trying to close on top uncommitted targets. Recruiting was the only bright spot of this disaster season and now it seems we may lose that too

  • 2002 says:
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    I saw Victor Bolden fumble a ball vs Michigan without being touched.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      I saw him run backwards when he had a first down already and get tackled for a loss.
      Then I saw it again and again and again.

      • Beavlover69 says:
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        Yeah Bolden has had so many chances to show he can play receiver. By now I think he’s proved he’s best as a return specialist

    • Angry@angry says:
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      That must have been due to Collins’ hospital hand-off. Seth sucks so bad for handing it off like that!

      • Jack Jack says:
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        You play the clueless guy very well. But it would be better without the little tinge of butthurtedness in your writing.

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        “Hospital pass” is a term used in several football codes to describe a pass that subjects the recipient to heavy contact, usually unavoidable, from an opposing player — the expression implying that the recipient of the pass could end up in hospital. The term may be applied to passes between team-mates in several sports including ice hockey, lacrosse, rugby league, rugby union, Australian rules football, and American football — and is now widely used metaphorically.

        This term is nothing new. My soccer coaching staff used it 20 years ago. You don’t need to goto urban dictionary to look it up. If you’ve never heard it, you’re probably not very well versed in sport.

        Also, your attempt at humor is null and void as STG doesn’t hand off, he keeps that rock! No soup for you!

        • Jack Jack says:
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          It was an odd objection. I too was thinking it’s someone who hasn’t watched much sports.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            Come on Jack, let us all hear your experience in sports so we know where to find knowledge. I’m 100% certain I have more experience and and still more connected to a program.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Are you? You don’t even know what a hospital pass is. That’s pretty remedial stuff right there.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            I never said I didn’t know what it meant. I said it’s dumb.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You said it was the dumbest thing you ever heard, which makes no sense because it’s just a thing. That’s like saying the use of the word Rock when describing a rock is the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard.

            That’s why everyone assumes you just don’t know what it means… that and a shit ton of other stuff.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            It isn’t a “thing”. Have you ever seen a stat sheet that lists “hospital balls”? It’s a pass. A rock is a rock. A pass is a pass. And Jack is someone who’s never played football.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Nope.

            Have you ever seen the stat line for plays associated with the tuck rule?

            Is that a thing?

            Next fallacy please.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            I’d pay good money to throw a “hospital ball” to you Jack. I’m pretty sure if i set up a gofundme I’d get a nice little bonus to get you to shut up. When i googled “WR gets leveled”, the first one was a pass from Manning, the 2nd was from Brady. But Jack, the never played football genius says if your QB throws you that pass, your QB sucks. Preach It Jack!!

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Yes, because violence is the first refuge of the competent.

            edit: for S&G I went and googled “WR gets leveled,” and my results are different.
            https://www.google.com/#q=WR+gets+leveled
            I see down the page that there is one of Emmanuel Sanders getting smacked. And I imagine that’s the one to which you refer. But there’s no Brady on this page. And I assumed the bare minimum for you, that you would be referring to Manning when he still had it. If you are referring to the now, then I overestimated you as a football fan.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            Come on Jack, tell us all how much experience playing football you have. Maybe your “Jack” QB on PlayStation which you rated 99 doesn’t ever lead a WR into a hit… But real life is another story

          • Jack Jack says:
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            And now the goat goads.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            You’ve never played football = you don’t know football as much as you think

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Yes, I understand goading. You don’t have to explain it to me.

    • Cody Vaz says:
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      Fumbling without being touched, seriously who the hell does that

  • Bill says:
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    On to bball. I’ve seen some Kansas games. They are on another level for sure. Beavs will need a repeat of the AZ game last year. Slow the pace way down, force tough shots late in the shot clock. They will not be able to run with Kansas at all.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      It will be a good barometer of where we are right now. Kansas didn’t overwhelm last opponent, however the Beavs have not looked good at times. I think they have alot of good parts, but I don’t know if the roles have been defined yet and they look a little lost. Reid came back last game and Gomis should be back for FWC, so this team may still need to “mesh” along the way.

      I would just like to see them play Kansas with a uniformed effort that looks fluid.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      Kansas is always hot and cold (see:Harvard game and the tourney) but when they’re hot they can beat any team anywhere. If good Kansas shows up then I don’t think there’s anything we can do. Look for Diallo to murder us on the boards. Another great test/experience for Eubanks

      • Bill says:
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        Hot and cold? They never trailed in the game against Harvard.

        Eubanks will be neutralized pretty quickly by Kansas. Eubanks is pretty much limited to put backs and alley oops. Don’t think I’ve seen him with a jump shot or a post move. He’d be pretty deadly if he added a sky hook to his game.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          They’ve been inconsistent. They started without Diallo. Then Greene got suspended. Until Greene gets back, they’ll be vulnerable to any team that can shoot well from outside.

          We have not been consistent either. But there are some dormant shooters on our roster. Stevie is the only one I feel comfortable green-lighting right now… and Malcolm in heat check situations. If we start making treys all together, we beat anyone who is vulnerable.

          I don’t expect it, but there is a path to victory.

          Edit: It would be nice to see N’diaye get more time because he is a difference in the middle. Daniel will make the team that much better by himself. But Cheikh needs to volunteer solid D minutes. Big G is still letting others get in his head. Until he stops that, we need to keep their bigs occupied with someone other than Olaf.

  • thebeaverman says:
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    If Sitake did leave who would be a candidate?
    Would we promote a current assistant?

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I would think so. That’s what the coaching tree has done for the most part. So I would say that would be likely. And Coach K looks like the most likely to move up.

      We assume Tuiaki would leave as well. But he would be another candidate.

      edit: I should say that’s what the coaching tree has done on D. And they’ve proven over time they do well. But they’ve all had to rely on different OCs because the original OC went to Florida.

  • locationoregon says:
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    It was four years ago today that Fred Thompson passed. Still sad.

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    “Hey… I drank a fair amount with Sark in Seattle and LA. How do I go about cashing in on this law suit scam?”

    J. Wilcox, unemployed, Los Angeles California

    • Wow says:
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      You have a great case. If you can’t win at USC, you are retarded!

      • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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        So Sark should sue under the American’s with Disabilities act instead?

  • Wow says:
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    How much is GA’s buyout? Anyone?

    • Nak says:
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      $2.5M plus. If he gets bought out he gets an automatic one year extension at his new gig plus a bonus for his staff that is yet to be named… Oops, got confused. I was thinking about Opie.

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    I don’t think we have to worry about this. BYU has a tradition of being offensive minded, not defense minded (read: Lavell Edwards) and they will hire Darrel Bevel, OC from the Seahawks.

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    Coach Brennan just tweeted he is on a plane with Sitake headed to Texas. That would be fast turnaround if Sitake was in SL City yesterday.

    https://twitter.com/coachbrennan/status/674615422944043008

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