06.Aug.2016 Christian Wallace and Issac Garcia NQ?

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That was the rumor all day, and apparently Gina just confirmed it.

So this means GA is exactly like Riley in that he pads the class with impressive talent that’s a known academic risk.

I was counting on Wallace to start at CB this year, so this knocks them back quite a bit. They’ve now lost Wallace (4-star), Thompson (4-star), and Garcia (high 3-star with a USC offer).

#TrainWreck

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  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Now it makes more sense why we took a full sized class last year, when leading up to signing day people kepts saying the class would only be about 12-18 kids. Had a bunch of padding in there that boosted class rating but contributed nothing else.

    • angry angry says:
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      It’s bad.

      These 4-stars mean zilch since they’re the degenerates that no other school wants, or if a school does want them it’s a power house that can afford to strike out. We aren’t winning recruiting battles. We’re getting the 4-star talent nobody else wants…taking a long-shot on them hoping they make grades. Hope isn’t a strategy.

      It just looks worse than not getting them at all, because now every highly rated recruit we sign we’ll all know has very little chance of making it.

      This is a 10 year pattern doing back to Kuli.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        It IS bad.

        I’ve credited Andersen with riding Peko’s butt and getting him qualified while Riley just chewed gum and grinned. But, if Wallace can’t be qualified in time to play this season then I have to count it as a fail on Andersen’s part.

        We recently discussed Gina, she’s a full time beat reporter and should have been more on top of this, IMHO. Credit (a little) goes to her for getting to the bottom of things and admitting her oversight.
        It always irritates me when someone makes a flat out statement ;“Yep. Saw him during individuals today.” rather than qualifying it with “as far as I know” or some such.

        • angry angry says:
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          Credit to the dude who said Wallace is out. Everyone got on his ass. ABs generally are right when they note things like that.

      • mckalk says:
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        What’s the due diligence on this stuff, do they just look at the grades? Are recruiters allowed to talk to teachers about their work habits? If you are just getting by at one level academically, are you really going to do better at the next level ( I guess these athletes get a lot of support)?

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    In all fairness, Gina also says “the hope is that they will be here soon.” There is that possibility that they will get cleared.

    Perhaps Alexander Pope was a Beaver fan as he wrote “Hope springs eternal in the human breast.”*

    * hehe I said “breast”

    • angry angry says:
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      Hope is not a strategy.

      • marcodg marcodg says:
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        No, but I don’t make strategy. If I have no control over a situation, all I can do is hope.
        If GA and Co. didn’t have a plan to get these guys through then that’s a problem. If they did and the recruits didn’t hold up their end, then it’s still GA’s problem albeit a different one.

      • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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        Agreed, but nothing else we can do at this point other than hope they’ll complete the required classes and be with the team soon.

        At best, they make it to the team, but it’s a misstep by Andersen that shouldn’t have happened in the first place. At worst, we don’t get either of them, we probably won’t do better than match last season’s win total, and Andersen will (rightfully) get a ton of flak for it.

        Right now though, all we can do is wait and see.

      • jacksANass says:
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        worked for Obama

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Wasn’t strict academic standards part of the issue with GA and Wisconsin?
    So now, even the not so strict admissions are an issue.

    • Ryan says:
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      If and a big if still… If we cant get these two in school then this would be very damaging to Coach A.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      That was the story at Wisconsin. But, isn’t this more an indication of sloppiness? I mean, it seems to be a matter of knowing the standards (regardless of how strict or easy they are) and knowing the record of the recruit.

      Is the timeline so tight that GA can be talking about the kid starting a few weeks back and now grades come out which screw things up? Guess so.

      But then, “some people say that there’s a woo-uh-man to blame, but I know, it’s his own damn fault”

      • marcodg marcodg says:
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        OT: One day, a number of years ago when my oldest son was about 10 I heard him singing that song, only a bit incorrectly: “Some people claim that there’s a woman to blame, but I know (do do do do dooo) it’s my own grandpa.”

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          Cute!
          I’m guessing you’ve got a good kid there, just “don’t let him pick guitars and drive them old trucks…”

          • Spiny Norman Spiny Norman says:
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            Good kid, yes but no doctor or lawyer is he. Although perhaps he is an “and such” (Computer engineering major at Santa Clara.)

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    I want to know how both of those guys all of a sudden didn’t qualify? They get the same admission letters that regular students get, if they got in by may/June why all of a sudden do they have to finish something up before camp?

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      With Peko there seemed to be very mixed signals from the academic advisors, and (of course) Smilin’ Mike didn’t seem to involve himself to any significant degree.

      It really is not excusable if this is a case of poor advice/direction from the academic side. Right now it is all speculation and I, for one, wouldn’t be surprised to never see the whole story come to light.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        The only thing I can think of is that they took classes or a class in high school that didn’t satisfy an ncaa minimum standard but did satisfy the admission standards. That has happened in the past but is usually caught by whoever deals with the acidemics standards at the athletic office.

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        Wasn’t Peko the one who took that never ending on line class? And you’re right about details coming to light, I’m sure there are strict privacy considerations, but the back stories might be interesting. Kind of a………who knew what and when scenario.

        If GA is pumping up recruits that have minimal chance of qualifying to help a struggling program look good on the surface (and attract other good recruits), that’s an interesting story. And you have built in protection, regarding specific facts coming out, given the students privacy.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          Yup, never ending online ballet.
          The other part of the Peko story was how, after he passed them, classes which were said to be required turned out not to satisfy NCAA requirements. Thus he needed more and more classes.

          The real story (at least part of it) may be the competence of the academic advisors at OSU and/or the clarity/stability of directions given by the NCAA.

          • Minority Hire says:
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            Makes you wonder if the person hired for reviewing academic qualifications was actually hired based on ability? Or has quality been sacrificed for other things?

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    Has OSU released a Fall practice schedule? If so, we can I find it? I tried the OSU website but couldn’t find one.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      The academic advisors are on it…………………..

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Degenerates might be a bit harsh. Let’s see if they can get in. It seems like there’s a chance (cue dumb and dumber Jim Carrey link).

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Kudos to Blk and his client getting this story out well before any of the news sites.

    Got any good news you can drop on us?

  • Beavlover69 says:
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    Super bad look. But hey we got some sweet running backs from Florida and a ton of awesome Utah kids spreading their religion around the world! Yikes…

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Disappointing news indeed. So far, OSU players are getting stronger, there’s leadership groups, we’re told there’s competition everywhere (position groups, lifting, academics, etc,), plenty of coaching changes thus far, but the program needs to sign talented players with brains and (IMO) integrity who are going to be in the program for at least three years. So far, it seems like in Andersen’s tenure it adds up to lots of motion, little real action.

    Andersen’s label at this level is really pretty thin right? Winning at Wisconsin with someone else’s players? Maybe he doesn’t have the reputation, resume, and ability to bring in the player’s needed to turn it around.

    Maybe Andersen can’t overcome OSU football’s loser/underdog label and get the talent needed to get to win a Pac title. I’m beginning to think OSU may need a football coach it can’t/won’t afford or who wouldn’t come to Corvalllis to rebuild the football program.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      “Andersen’s resume” not “label,” don’t know why I typed that….thinking ahead to OSU label I guess…

    • mckalk says:
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      I agree, I mean I’m sure the coaches at places like Kansas, Tulane, UMass and whatever other D-1 bottom feeder, tell the media the culture has changed and the players are getting stronger every year. It boils down to talent acquisition and the scheme/strategy used with that talent.

      Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t even take into consideration what GA did at Wisconsin given the circumstances, but I do give him credit for what he did at Utah St. That being said, the story will be whether GA can translate what he did at mid-major Utah St. over to a D-1 Big Five program in the next two or three years. He has no resume for that skill set as yet.

    • bleedorange says:
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      Easy chicken little most of his recruits have hardly played yet let’s wait til we see some more of his recruits in action.

      As far as Wisconsin goes he had good players with which he improved their rcord by 1 win each year he was there.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    OT: if you’re not pissed off enough already, Football Scoop says,
    “Steve Sarkisian will join Fox Sports 1 as an in-game analyst this fall, per a report from the LA Daily News. Sark will not participate in Pac-12 games according to the report.”

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    Interesting that numerous players on Twitter are thanking fans for coming out to the practice. Feels, though, Andersen or other coaches told the players to do so on social media based on the number of posts; I don’t get the sense it was genuine.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      You’d have to compare the size of the crowd at a regular practice that’s open in Corvallis, vs. the crowd yesterday in Bend. Then compare the number of tweets after those practices. Then factor in the more ambiguous variable of expectation.

    • cj cj says:
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      My sense was that it was genuine. I heard a lot of players thanking us for coming out to watch them. I got the feeling they were impressed so many folks were there. I saw quite a few players taking pictures with younger kids. This was Saturday, didn’t make it Sunday due to being sick.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        Sunday’s practice wasn’t open, so you were sick on the right day.

        • cj cj says:
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          Yeah, I found that out trying to go to today’s practice.

          The local fish-wrapper shows the practice times for every day but doesn’t indicate practice is closed. I finally found, via search, that Saturday was the only ‘open’ day.

          Makes me wonder why even advertise if you won’t let folks in?

  • etyrt says:
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    I’m not jumping off of the cliff here. Elite talent is not lining up to come to OSU based on where we were and currently are. So, I don’t blame GA for gambling a bit. Maybe you win some, but you will lose on some as well. WE dont hear about the players who were maybe on the edge of not making it in who did because they just seem like any other player who was admitted.

    I believe this happened either last season or in 2014 where a recruit was strung along by the NCAA but was finally admitted a week or so in. I may be wrong but I think we have seen this rodeo before.

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      And I guess if you are a school getting confused or frustrated, there’s no benefit in ripping the NCAA no matter how stupid their rules are.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        It may be a situation were the ncaa was dragging their feet on weather a class qualified. Who knows? But it might not be the players fault if that is the case.

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          There was a big story in The Oregonian about the Quacks success in getting 6th seasons for basketball players. I know it’s not the exact same thing, but the article read like Nikegon has put a lot of resources into understanding and dealing with the NCAA and got positive results out of it. Not sure OSU has the same type of set up.

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            Yes but your talking about 2 diffrent things. Incoming freshman who haven’t started classes yet vs. Guys already in the system. Incoming freshman have yet to began class so I can see how the athletic dept doesn’t always know if a certain class in high school would count against standards set forth by the ncaa. But they damn well know what classes work from within the university system. I don’t think we had any acidemics casualties since last season, that means they are doing a good job, but it also requires commitment from the players themselves.

  • etyrt says:
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    This from Garcia:
    Isaac Garcia ?@swish_nation 12h12 hours ago
    @deskahutez @Kingwallace22 appreciate you I’ll be be on the field next week

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    This has a Keystone Cops feel to it. It would seem to be a matter of proper due diligence, and that falls on GA, ultimately. Luck O da Beav’s!

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    We need to start per$uading our guys to go to that school LaMichael James attended. They’ll have no problem becoming eligible.

  • Bill says:
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    Staff is taking too many risks on guys who have questionable academics.

    How many academic casualties have there been this year? 5? The three top rated guys in the class plus a JC and one other guy.

    Pretty clear why other programs steered clear of some of these guys. They weren’t worth the risk. While the staff certainly should take chances on guys who might not qualify, it seems like the ones they got were ones who weren’t close at all.

    Is the staff not doing their homework on these guys? The first thing that a coach asks for is a transcript on a guy to see if he’s even worth pursuing. They should know by Dec whether a guy has a chance at qualifying. Academic requirements are pretty set in stone so when they evaluate a transcript they should know what kind of chance the guy has at qualifying.

    It’s pretty ridiculous to have this many guys with questionable academics.

    • etyrt says:
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      Thompson was not an academic issue.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        What was the Thompson issue? Academic casualty was the story from the Oregonian at the time

        • Bill says:
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          If he wasn’t an academic issue, he would not be headed to a JC. Also he would’ve signed elsewhere.

        • angry angry says:
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          Plus we heard from recruit’s parents who knew Thompson and said he’d never get in.

          • etyrt says:
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            I am going by what was stated in the Dam Podcast episode where it was mentioned that personal reasons were why Thompson did not come, not academics.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      “Pretty clear why other programs steered clear of some of these guys. They weren’t worth the risk.”

      Wallace had offers from houston, oklahoma, tcu, Mississippi state, Texas and more.
      Garcia had washington, WSU, ASU, Arizona, USC and more
      Thompson had Oklahoma, Mississippi state, USC, UCLA, ASU and more.

      I’m seen a pattern…….they were so questionable that nobody wanted them!

  • etyrt says:
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    I would again stress that this could very well be an NCAA issue and not a GA/OSU issue. If it is a problem with OSU then they deserve the criticism, but it may be out of their hands. I would bet since Wallace was in Corvallis this summer, it is more than likely and NCAA problem.

    • Ryan says:
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      Hope to see both Wallace and Gracia on the field with OSU soon. I guess we shall wait.

  • p_hob p_hob says:
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    The staff gambled. If it worked, their path to more wins would be expedited. If it didn’t, they would still be in the same situation essentially. The fact of the matter is that recruits that are highly sought don’t want to go to a losing situation no matter how much “potential” there is.

    If I had to choose between one or the other I’d pick a staff that can develop talent over one that can recruit talent. There are plenty of situations where a good recruiter failed as a head coach and was bounced within a couple years. These situations have also generally been at high profile programs. It is a skill to covert talent to wins.

    That being said, I’m not defending Andersen or his staff because I don’t think it’s been proven they can develop talent on the P5 level. I personally believe they can, but there is a lack of evidence so I wouldn’t fault someone for being skeptical.

    To get to the level that the coaches want to be at I think they feel they have to gamble a little bit. It makes sense and their approach at Utah State was probably similar. I guess take comfort that we wont be facing sanctions from the NCAA for academic fraud in 5 years.

    My last point is that lack of talent can be masked by system. The ducks got by for years with mid tier talent because of system. The same can be said of TCU, Baylor, TTU, etc. These schools are obviously pulling in higher level recruits now but it started with wins through their offensive scheme. Riley’s system had a clear correlation between ceiling and talent level. That ceiling can be raised with a more college friendly scheme, some speed on the outside, a mobile QB (who can throw), and a big OL.

    As a side note the team seems to be more positive and of a different mindset than they were last year. There were snippets of this in fall camp last year but it didn’t seem genuine and lacked confidence.

    Here’s to a better year my friends.

  • bleedorange says:
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    Andersen on garcia and Wallace.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/oregon_state_fall_camp_practic_7.html#incart_river_mobile_index

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      “He has the potential to be a talented guy,” Andersen said. “Now that’s one day. But the first two days were good, too, without pads on, and he answered with pads on, also. We need that.”

      Playing well with pads on is a pretty low benchmark considering football is played with pads on.

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        Apparently Pierce wasn’t wearing pads when they evaluated his game film?

  • alex says:
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    So what’s the scenario where Garcia and/or Wallace would be able to join the team in a couple of weeks? The NCAA is debating some eligibility issue in committee?

    I mean, they can’t be “working on” academics right now? If that truly is the case then they’d have to take fall terms classes, right?

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      can’t they be taking some online high school level classes to pad their GPA?

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    If Wallace isn’t cleared by the time we play Minnesota this is going to suck nutsack.

    Get your guys cleared GA and make sure they are taking care of their academics and getting accurate advice.

    Right now have an 80% feeling Garcia will be ready by Minnesota. Wallace feels 50/50 at best. Prove me wrong GA and get both suited up for the Rodent Bowl.

    Pac-12 and OSU need to start with a victory in PAC-12/B1G showdown on opening week or it will be an uphill climb the rest of the season.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      You know it’s not all the coach’s responsibility, right?

  • Julian Metts says:
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    These young men might be walking the plank right now and those loses MIGHT rock the boat, but this is no time to drop anchor or ready the lifeboats. Andersen just needs some more wind in his sails to right the ship.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      “Shiver me timbers.”

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Hopefully garcia and wallace batten down the hatches and finish school then the team can plunder Minnesota’s…………………….nevermind there’s nothing in Minnesota worth plundering.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Not to pile on the bad news, but it appears da Beav’s will be running into a buzz saw of pearly white big ass incisors.
    https://twitter.com/GopherFootball/status/760155154033225728

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Pretty nice stadium, looks a little open/flat though. If steeper, would probably be louder. Nice place to start with a W.

      And the t-shirt on one player” “Built gopher tough.” Really?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        The stadium is beautiful and it does get loud. It was built to look like old Memorial Stadium, which they stupidly tore down after they moved to the Metrodome in ’82. Another reason to hate Lou Holtz.

        • ObjCritic says:
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          It’s well done. From a design standpoint, it looks more aesthetically and physically durable than what is going on at Reser.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            The advantage of starting with a clean slate. They captured the look and feel of the old “Brickhouse”with modern upgrades. The open end is situated and the scoreboard offset to frame one of the iconic campus buildings, Williams Arena, and the Minneapolis skyline.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      You sound a bit more like “gopherbeaver” than “beavergopher.” Conflicted at all?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        A tad. Just trying to educate ya’ll about the first opponent and going for the all time neg record again on Angrybeavs.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Beavers behaving badly. In true Wisconsin fashion he rescued the beer cooler. Prosthesis be damned…..or dammed in this instance.
    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/2016/08/prosthetic_leg_found_in_beaver_dam_returned_to_owner

  • Ryan says:
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    Eggers article on Collins. Good stuff.
    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/317844-196998-osus-collins-stays-true-to-his-school-switches-roles-

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Thanks, good stuff indeed.
      Eggers seems on board with the maturity thing we’ve discussed here, see:“If those words sound boastful (they certainly did!), they’re delivered in a way that is not. There’s a certain maturity about Collins that he didn’t seem to possess a year ago. “

  • them beavers them beavers says:
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    can one of you tell me why there are no players on the season tickets? who are these people two old people and a bobble head? Marketing I’m calling you out

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    GI’ll is getting an upgrade before season. Biggest news…..they are moving the TV camera platform to the other side. Maybe someone does read this blog……?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/oregon_state_announces_plan_to.html#incart_river_mobileshort_index

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Gill*

      • them beavers them beavers says:
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        at least it will get the camera off the old peoples’ seats that are empty

        • Bill says:
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          Doesn’t matter what side the camera is on. If the season’s going bad, there will be empty seats in front of the camera.

          Pluses – Going to one color for the entire lower bowl.

          Minuses – They need to redo the lighting. LED is taking over sports venues now. Saves a lot of money which recoups the investment quickly. They will last a long time and require little maintenance.

          • Hellobeavers says:
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            Approximately how much mo why would that save? I would think it would be rather insignificant. Save $1000 a year?

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      I need to be on that ideation team. Been suggesting this change for years and everybody kept saying “new tv camera platforms will be too expensive”

      I really like Gill as a basketball venue and feel like these small enhancements will only improve it.
      Now if only they could paint a sweet mural on the side of the building that faces Reser. Something celebrating Gill through the decades. The football gameday crowds would see it and maybe it could draw some attention to the hoops team.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        They give you what you want, and you just want more. Just soak up your angrybeav influence.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          There’s always room for improvement. These aren’t major changes either. Just small enhancements that, as a whole, add up to a better product.
          (Plus i dont seriously think i should be on the ideation team. I’m perfectly happy to see change resulting from dialogue on angry’s site. Sometime’s i just like to be an ass.)

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I was mostly kidding. I was hoping the camera flip would happen, but kept my expectations low about it. This will have the effect of even more students coming to games just from the influence of being on t.v.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Let the roster position musical chairs begin!

    https://twitter.com/HamptonKevin/status/762733117924782082

    Kenny Turnier has been moved to tight end from linebacker #gtsports #gobeavs

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      More from Kevin Hampton, “OSU football practice came to an abrupt end today after two scuffles”
      Bonding??

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        Let’s be glad it wasn’t a tussle.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        It was the coaches. Somebody stole a Diet Coke from the inside receivers coach.

      • p_hob p_hob says:
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        Seems to be a good sign to me. Playing with intensity never hurts a football team.

      • angry angry says:
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        The trainwreck continues.

        All aboard the GA Express!

        • Ryan says:
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          I’m curious angry if you buy into this year as year one for GA? Since the team was in such bad shape when he arrived. Some people called his first year one-year zero since the team was in such poor condition What do you think?

          • angry angry says:
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            That’s fair.
            I view it as year two because GA made a lot of errors year 1 that were his.
            He has to own those.

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      I like the move, he’s a former basketball player and only has 1 year of actually playing football (his senior year of high school)

  • angry angry says:
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    It’s weird that Ellsbury is already 33 years old and near the end of his career.

  • angry angry says:
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    OT again, but it’s also weird Dennis Rodman broke his dick 3 times.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Can it “break”? Always thought the “bone” in “boner” was figurative. Imagine the cast he’d have to wear.

      I cant watch the video until after work today, so maybe that answers the question for me.

      • angry angry says:
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        I think contusion is the proper diagnosis, but broken dick sounds better.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          I think Dick Contusion used to be a Nascar driver back in the day.

          • I like carrots alot says:
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            Dick Trickle?oh wait that’s when you try to go when you don’t have to

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