14.Aug.2016 Can’t Teach Accuracy

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I’ve written about this extensively last year with regard to Seth Collins and gotten flack for it, and explanations that he’d grow into the position and become more accurate, which obviously I disagreed with. People also claimed I didn’t know what I was talking about since I wasn’t a coach, so here you go straight from a head coach.

Mike Leach on accuracy.

Nothing new to me, but maybe people will take the opinion more seriously since it’s coming from an authority.

There’s a reason I always check a new QB’s completion % first and note if it’s poor.

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  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    First

    /#sockpuppet

  • Ryan says:
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    So how do we get this point across to GA and company? How did all our current QB’s do in high school for passing %? I have also heard others say that some high school WR are crap and that can hurt a QB chances going into college.

    • angry angry says:
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      Moran had a nice completion %. He’s the only QB they’ve recruited so far who does. He had GREAT WRs in high school.

      How to get it across? I don’t know. He seems hard headed and has this idea of a qb winning with arm, mind, feet, and whatever else he says. But the QB has to be accurate.

      It’s true the numbers don’t always tell a story, but when Leach says that I assume he means going to see the QB in-person not just looking at numbers. It’s probably both…looking at the numbers + scouting them in person.

      • Ryan says:
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        Thanks Angry. I think the part about seeing them throw in person would be a part of it. I think that was the case with our new QB Willard. Curious to see how his senior year unfolds.

        • angry angry says:
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          Yeah say GA goes in person and sees Willard is throwing every ball on the money and Joe Mason hands is dropping every ball. At that point recruit him even with the low numbers.

          This is one way film is really deceptive. Another is knowing how good the opposing talent is, but a lot of times you can tell that after seeing a lot of film.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    He may be right, but completion percentage doesn’t equal accuracy and accuracy does not equal high completion percentage. What would you think of a player with say 52% and 25 touchdowns and 25 interceptions? Is he never going to be accurate?

  • blackbug says:
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    The irony of all this to me is (at least to my perception from what I read) the coaching staff did not offer Willard because said statistics. But when they saw him in person they were really impressed by his accuracy and then decided they wanted him. Then the offer came and 2 days later Willard accepted. From what I can see they are not recruiting Willard for athleticism or other reasons. He is decent athlete, but not spectacular. So to sum it up the main reason for recruiting him is accuracy, but it is based on in person evaluation and not high school statistical performance. The staff cannot comment so this is my speculation.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    LOL … so, you are basically saying GA and his other recruiters dont know shit about QB’s. Passing accuracy is pretty damn basic. You really think ANY coach is deliberately recruiting QB’s who are inaccurate? Comeon….

    I rather expect GA is getting who he can get, in this rebuilding stage, and given the disaster ol Biley left him, he is doing the best he can. High schools have a varied spectrum of coaches and varied quality of players.

    And to say you cant increase the precision of a physical act with coaching, practice and repetition, is nonsense.

    Yeah, some players were born with superior hand-eye coordination, but such can be improved. One might expect the superior ones seek out a winning program, which we aint.

    And…. in 2000 Jonathan Smith won the Fiesta Bowl with a % under 50 as I recall.

  • Outcast says:
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    Everyone has a ceiling on how well they’ll be able to perform a particular task, athletes included. No matter how much they worked at it, Shaq was never going to be a free throw expert, Ichiro was never going to hit 500 HRs, Quarterbacks and their throwing accuracy are no different. However, if in watching film of a recruit, you see things that can be improved (throwing mechanics, footwork in the pocket, decision-making on where to throw the ball) that show a player is currently performing below that peak performance, you take a chance on them. Compare Sean Canfield’s sophomore and senior seasons. Despite what you want to think, Oregon State football is never going to be able to consistently go head-to-head with the big programs and nab top tier recruits, especially after a few down years for the program. Finding talent in someone others pass over is essential for success.

    I’ll give whatever coaching staff we have the benefit of the doubt, since they have more specific information on particular players. If it doesn’t work out over the next few seasons, fire them, rinse, and repeat.

  • cj cj says:
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    Hey angry,

    BTD is looking for sports writers. Here’s your chance to get credentials AND share with the coaches (by way of articles) some of AB’s philosophy(s).

    Just a thought…

    • angry angry says:
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      Okay I applied.

      hey guys. i don’t really want to write for you guys since you are status quo/pro beav lackeys, but i’d considering writing for you under specific conditions, like i control all my content, i edit my own work, etc. my resume speaks for itself at angrybeavs, the most successful indie blog for the beavers.

      peace!
      ab

      I feel pretty good I’ll get the job.

      • scotty says:
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        If only all cover letters and resumes were so honest and sincere

      • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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        You can use me as a reference if you need one.

      • angry angry says:
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        They actually wrote back:

        Thanks for the response, but we are only looking for interested candidates.

        -Marcus Russell

        lol

      • OrangeFlush OrangeFlush says:
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        “but I’d considering writing…”

        You’d think you could at least proofread it before submitting.

        • angry angry says:
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          Why?

          • OrangeFlush OrangeFlush says:
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            Trolling 101: When you’re trying to be a smart ass, grammar and spelling check so you don’t end up looking like a dumb ass.

          • OrangeFlush OrangeFlush says:
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            lol, dammit, auto-correct both fucked me, and proved my point at the same time. 😉

          • angry angry says:
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            Wow.
            Ostrich sized egg just exploded on your face like a Peter North money shot.

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    My highly successful coaching career was based on never throwing the ball. Highly overrated. JB

  • Corliss says:
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    …BUT YOU CAN TEACH EMPTY ZOMBIES WITH SUPER CHUB LITTLE GIRLFRIENDS!

  • Corliss says:
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    ALSO, YOU CAN’T TEACH ACCURACY EVEN IF YOU LOCK SOMEONE IN AN EQUIPMENT SHED FOR SEVERAL HOURS. DIDN’T WORK.

  • Corliss says:
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    Mike Riely’s wide receiver coach gets DUI. Wish it was Banker.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Banker causes DUI’s.

      • scotty says:
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        At least we know Langsdorf will never be cited for DUI. That would require sustaining a drive

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          Receivers Coach: “Hey Danny, you drivin’?”
          Danny: “No thanks, I’LL PASS!”
          RC: “Hey-Oh! Haha good one Dan the Man!”
          *gets DUI*

  • Bill says:
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    Can you teach accuracy? Yes. But it takes a lot of practice and patience. It’s not something you’re born with.

    These guys are young enough to change their habits, mechanics, arm strength or mindset. Whatever is the issue can be fixed. Will it be? Who knows. Takes the right coach to find the issue and correct it quickly. But if they aren’t accurate in high school, they have a lot of catching up to do.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Craig Robinson was hired by the Milwaukie Bucks, as the VP of player and organizational development.

    They must be interested in getting a new practice facility funded by donors.

  • DAWGS POUND THE PAC says:
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    THIS IS CUTE A BEAVERS SITE? LOL BOW DOWN RODENTS!!!!!!!

    • jacksANass says:
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      Dawggy, correct me if i’m wrong, but don’t dogs eat their own shit?

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Along with licking their own dick, balls and assholes.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Yep… and they eat any shit they find, after rolling in it. Shit smellin doggy — how ya doin??

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        and they’re leghumpers

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Teaching accuracy? I sure hope it is possible to teach a center to snap the ball consistently. Hampton at the GT reports today:
    “There’s great competition at that position right now,” OSU co-offensive coordinator and offensive line coach T.J. Woods said. “It’s nobody’s job. It’s everybody’s job to win.”

    And Yanni D is quoted as saying, “I’ve gotten more and more comfortable and the snaps are pretty much on target every time,”
    “pretty much on target??”

    Hope I am overreacting, but I can see the C-QB exchange being “pretty much” shakey at the start of the season when the most winnable games can be lost if there is a lack of performance and confidence in this area.

    • ChrisOSAlum ChrisOSAlum says:
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      What’s his snap completion percentage? Shotgun percentage? At that position it should be better than 99%. Insert smiley here.

  • ean says:
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    I put accuracy after only decision making for necessary QB skills. Though I think completion percentage is a bit dependent on the style of offense and the personnel. Still there is no excuse for sub 50%.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Yeah, that fucking Jonathan Smith…..what a fucking loser. Shoulda been canned.

      • Beavlover69 says:
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        Keep hammering home that one exception Stevie. Could become the rule if you try hard enough

        • WFO says:
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          This may prove unpopular, but Jonathan Smith was OSU’s Darron Thomas. Good enough athlete, great decision maker, great game manager. Surrounded by great athletes, they just needed to distribute the ball and not lose the game for their team. Doesn’t mean anyone should be use them as a benchmark for recruiting.

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Damn, you guys are tough. Hey, I love Jonathan Smith. Ok, I shut up now….

  • PdX says:
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    Garcia back with the team.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Don’t know if this has been reported yet, but Gabe Ovgard has medically retired.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/gabe_ovgard_oregon_state_safet.html#incart_river_index

    Best of luck to him.

    • bleedorange says:
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      I think cyril retired also but not sure.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        just says he’s left the team…………..but, be that as it may what I gathered from the entire article is that he wasn’t going to be getting much PT.

        The biggest news to come out of the day was the loss of some depth in the secondary. OSU lost a pair of reserves as Gabe Ovgard announced his medical retirement on Twitter due to a series of concussions and Andersen confirmed that Cyril Noland-Lewis, a senior cornerback who was a starting safety early last season, had left the team.

        http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/oregon_state_beavers_fall_camp_30.html

        • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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          Not really sure I buy the playing time thing, are depth at that position is very light, he is one or two injuries (about what we had last year) from playing. Plus, there is always special teams.

          I think he has graduated and really isn’t into the grind of football anymore. His heart has probably left him, and so he is ready to move on.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      How does it work if Ovgard wants to continue his education at OSU?

      • Bill says:
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        Scholarship players who retire due to medical reasons retain their scholarship through their academic career. The scholarship doesn’t count against the 85 limit.

        It’s a nice benefit to giving up their athletic career. Though some coaches are known to abuse this rule to push out players.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Pretty sure all Pac12 athletic scholarships are guaranteed 4 year, even if the player medically retires. Dont think it counts against our numbers though

  • Corliss says:
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    Did ovgard play in scrimmage? One step forward garcia, two steps back– ovgard and cyril

    • bleedorange says:
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      Ya definitely not good for the overall secondary depth. Could really use wallace all the more now

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    Is the first game (@MINN) only on the Big Ten Network? Sucks.

    http://www.osubeavers.com/schedule.aspx?path=football

    Looks like the second game is streamed online (for free?).

    http://pac-12.com/football/event/2016/09/17/idaho-state-oregon-state

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Isaiah Hodgins decommits from WSU.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      And it’s in the twitter…..thing up above.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Aunt Patty lock him in a shed?

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        I’d imagine living in Pullman is like being locked in a shed.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      He was one of their better recruiters too. Wonder if others from the WSU class start to reconsider now?

      Also, a little bird tells me Oregon State is not out of the running for him, and may be one of the official visits. Worth keeping an eye on

      • Ryan says:
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        Well if you listen to some Duck fans they act as if its a done deal to get him. Would be great if we could land him.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          Read somewhere he wanted a school with a strong communications program, which is oart of why he chose WSU originally. Doesnt exactly help our chances.
          I think Garretson amd Villamin having a good comnection this year could help us, since he’d play a similar role in our offense as jv

  • Mary's Peak says:
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    Anyone else think the beaver logo in Truax looks far sharper than the one in Reser? The white outline beyond the thinner orange one really makes a difference. Would like to see this done in Reser before the opener. Stands out so much better.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Any of you degenerates coming out for Rodent Bowl I?

    • Theboneyard says:
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      Maybe, I have a bunch of family out there and I am thinking of going with them.

    • wannabeav says:
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      I’ll be there, with 8-9 other folks.

    • Outcast says:
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      Be out there for work that week. Figure staying on an extra day or two for football and state fair shenanigans is a must!

    • BoiseBeav says:
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      I’ll be there! Super excited!

  • Outcast says:
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    OT: Ended up watching part of a replay of the 2006 Sun Bowl versus Missouri. At the end of the game to help complete the comeback, Oregon State ran a solid two minute offense, and had the play-call in and were lined up ready to go before the clock started on each first down. Whatever happened to THAT Mike Riley? I refuse to believe that QBs during the end of his OSU tenure (namely Sean Mannion) were incapable of running a hurry-up offense respectably.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      That was the best game of his second tenure that he coached. And going for the win instead of OT was nice. Maybe he left his balls in El Paso.

      • Beavlover69 says:
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        We went for 2 against UW a year or two later and dropped the pass and lost FWIW

        • Outcast says:
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          People have pointed to the 2009 Civil War and Oregon State’s inability to hold that 30-21 lead as the point Mike Riley snapped and became what he is now. I don’t think it was until that failed 2-point conversion against UW in 2010 though. We started the season alright (given the tough schedule), but after that loss, things never looked like that 2006-2009 stretch again.

          • scotty says:
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            That was when Adam Cheap Shot Hall had taken out James Rodgers right before, wasn’t it?

          • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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            No. Markus Wheaton got lit up as a defenseless receiver and knocked out. Insult to injury they intercepted. We played tough but Halahuni dropped the 2pt conversion. Quizz played out of his mind that game. Miss that dude.

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            Failed 2 pt conversion game was a different year than the Wheaton cheap shot

          • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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            You’re correct. Adam hall fucked up James knee the game before.

            Quiz did go off that game and Halahuni dropped the 2pt conversion from Katz.

            Wheaton got crushed there in 2012

  • Bill says:
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    Men’s non conf schedule out. It’s not too bad.

    Couple NCAA qualifiers. Fresno and Tulsa.
    NIT Qualifer – Long Beach St.
    CBI Champs!! – Nevada

    Tough road games at Tulsa, Nevada and Miss St.

    Realistically looking at 9 – 4 going into conference play. If they can get to 11-2 in non conf, they’ll have a real good shot of getting back to the tourney otherwise they’ll need to do better than 9-9 in conference play.

  • scotty says:
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    Losing the Rodent Bowl is really gonna gnaw at one of the teams

  • helmsley says:
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    “Quizz played out of his mind that game. Miss that dude.” Yupper. Time marches on – he’s now a married man (wife is OSU grad) with two daughters, and in his 6th year as a pro.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    What’s up with the new commit TJ Green? I see he is the #1 rb in arizona., that sounds good.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      No Power-5 conference offers. 2-star on Scout and 24/7

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Hes 3* on rivals. Just watched some tape on him. He’s pretty fast. And 24/7 has him listed as the best rb in arizona. Intresting, I wonder why he’s only got mid level offers?

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          Probably not rated too high because of his size, but entering his senior year he will keep growing. I like how quickly he hits holes and turns it up field, rather than dancing around and letting the defense come to him

          • Beavlover69 says:
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            The real question is how do we get the whole Chandler OLine? He wasn’t even touched for the first minute of that video

        • ObjCritic says:
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          Maybe he has academic issues?

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            This just in…TJ Green broke his leg at practice today, and shortly after, missed his algebra test and is now academically ineligible. GoBeavs

          • angry angry says:
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            And now he’s dead. So is the entire recruiting class.
            Go Beavs.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        I’m seeing now that he was a back up last year til Chase Lucas got hurt. Might be the reason he’s rated low.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          He scores a touchdown every time he carries the ball. How is he not #1 in the country?

    • bleedorange says:
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      He has a really long stride not very elusive. But overall looks like a good pickup. One position Andersen has gotten good athletes at has been rb imo.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    WSU just said screw your fancy patio with micro-brews and local wine. We’re going to sell Coors Light througout the whole stadium.

    BREAKING: #Wazzu to expand beer sales to concourse levels in Martin. Expected net revenue of $1 million #GoCougs https://t.co/r4Amenmnj0

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Sounds like there will be plenty of tickets available for Rodent Bowl. Season ticket renewals are down 19%. Ouch. Perfect storm. The second year of a major increase in the amount and number of seats requiring a donation coupled with a disappointing season last year. Home schedule is pretty lame. Sorry my Beav brethren, but this is not generating the hype like last year when we opened with #2 TCU. New Vikings Stadium opening has taken most of the headlines this year. Hard to compete in an NFL city and now we don’t have the stadium advantage.

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    Just realized that our bye week is….after the first game.

    Outstanding scheduling that will really help us in league play.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    BeavRecruitNews
    BeavRecruitNews – ?@BeavRecruiting

    Polls continued…
    Who gets your vote for greatest Oregon State Beaver Tight End of all time?
    12:38 PM – 17 Aug 2016
    I’m going with Sara Jean Underwood.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      I’m ashamed for not having thought of that. Poll has been updated. Thanks BG!

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      You mean wide receiver……….

    • DAWGS POUND THE PAC says:
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      I can’t remember any and I’ve been watching for 40 years! You water rats have always been horrible at O line, TE, and D line. Occasionally you have a receiver and at least a semi competent QB. Usually a decent LB or db but after that duck

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        If thats what you think then you haven’t been watching for 40 years. If you’re going to troll, at least make it worth our time. Be creative. I bet If you ask your high school guidance counselor, they might help you find a creative writing class at school, or at nights at the local community college extension. Then when you pass that class, come on back and give it another try…….we’re all bucking for ya big guy.

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        0-12

        • scotty says:
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          Quite a feat, not even Wazzu managed that one. That Crapple Cup was one for the ages.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        OMG – You just said duck. Shame, shame, shame.

      • Dan Manutzert says:
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        Dawgs need to play the Pac to pound the Pac. When Nikegon ran away from them on the schedule, I didn’t think the dregs of their fans would come visit this site for retribution.

        Oh well.

  • Mb says:
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    The Northcoast section of California regularly produces D1 quarterback prospects who turn into D1 quarterbacks. I asked an independent and reliable observer about current prospects. He told me that Willard was best the prospect, head and shoulders above other Qbs. He also indicated that the Veer offense of Justin-Seina would keep Willard slightly under the radar.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Rodent Bowl…….14 days.
    The new OC at Minnesota was the college QB that kept Kurt Warner, yes that Kurt Warner, on the bench for three years at UNI. His dad was the HS coach of our QB, Mitch Leidner.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Without that character building lesson, where would Warner be today?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        The story is that Jay Johnson was a better decision maker and the team kept winning, so the coach kept the kid with the better arm on the bench.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Probably bagging groceries….oh wait…

      • helmsley says:
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        And where would Angry Beavers be without all the inside knowledge BG provides?

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    OT: Good to see OSU dedicating people to marketing the football program/OSU. I believe it is as much of a key factor as winning (almost). http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/oregon_states_new_ideation_tea.html#incart_river_index

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Gary Horowitz saying that RB Kyle White is now DB Kyle White

    https://twitter.com/GHorowitz/status/766316549766385665

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      We don’t have many RB’s.

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      WTF. Thought he was doing well in practice.

      Secondary in trouble?

      Or Artivis is a beast, and has passed White up? Nall, Pierce and Lucas and Collins being the change of pace guys…

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        You forgot T Cook

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        Probably because we had 2 guys either transfer or retire from our secondary this week.

        Alao, read that Cyril Noland Lewis did indeed transfer, as a grad transfer to LaTech (he’s from Lousiana)

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        I have a feeling Nall and Cook will be the primary bruiser backs with Lucas and Collins as change of pace/fly sweep.

        Secondary is thin so hopefully White jumps right in.

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          See interview below. Art P. seems to be ahead of Lucas. Collins being kept in a different category as far as I can tell.

    • bleedorange says:
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      Andersen said he’s playing cb now.

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      Good. Wasn’t sold on him as a RB.

  • cj cj says:
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    Just got a call from OSU Tickets. It’s regarding this season’s tickets, evidently due to the Gill renovations my seats will be changing.

    During the conversation the fellow indicated that next year prices will be going up and a mandatory “donation” will be implemented per seat. I said that should not be because we are in a 4-year deal with season tickets – due to the Tinkle deal.

    Seems like they are cutting off Tinkle’s deal after 3 years and raising seat prices along with the “donation”.

    Also they have changed the Veterans game ticket deal. Last year we got 4 free tickets for the veterans game. Beginning this year the veteran gets 1 free ticket and any more are paid for. I’m not saying that in not fair it’s just something that is a major change and has not been announced.

    This may be my last season as a ticket holder…

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Nice to read about what appears to be some exceptional physical ability and talent and its actual, imminent expression:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/trust_unbroken_massive_defensi.html#incart_2box

    Riley had so little talent on the roster; seeing somebody this big and this (potentially) talented on the D line is welcome news. I will actually watch the D instead of look away, even knowing that the unit has a long way to go….

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