29.Aug.2016 Beav’s Future Scheduling

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Holy inability to get out of your own way.
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/oregon-state-beavers.php

Compare it to even the Ducks, who are a 10x better program yet playing a 10x weaker future schedule:
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/oregon-ducks.php

So 2021 we can maybe have bigger goals…nice work, guys.

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  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Wonder how much better the payday is for these bodybag games vs something like traveling to a Colorado St, San Diego St or Utah St?
    Hell, I’d much rather play UNLV just so I’d have an excuse to take a Vegas trip. Much more affordable than a trip to Minnesota, Columbus or Madison.

    I know it’s an unpopular idea, but I still think they should play at Portland State every other year once Prividence Park expands. That way, you could schedule 2 other home non-con games and have all of your non-con games in state.

    PSU never sells out their stadium unless Montana is in town. Seems like a sold out Providence Park would provide enough revenue to keep both teams happy. Also would make for N extra opportunity for Portland based fans to see their Beavs.

    Just don’t see much benefit to scheduling an almost assured loss every year in your non-con.

    • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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      Regarding a Providence park expansion, the numbers being discussed by the Timbers currently are talking about adding new seats in the range of 7,000-12,000 additional. Add that to the current 21,000 seats, charging somewhere in the range of $50-60 per seat (more fore sidelines, less for endzones, and assuming Portland based fans would be willing to pay a little more in exchange for not having to travel) and the two programs could pull in close to $2M in ticket revenue. Not bad for a little non-con game against an FCS team.

      http://www.kgw.com/news/local/timbers-mulling-providence-park-expansion/72792422

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        I like this idea too, I mean if you could build a 35,000 – 40,000 seat stadium that is dedicated to soccer but has ability to play a football game and high school sports would be very cool.

        They could host a successful low tiered bowl game.

        40,000 for a Oregon St/Portland St or EWU and still have 6 home games would make a ton of fiscal sense and work with their efforts to reach out to the Portland market.

  • Numbers says:
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    I like the timing and structure. Gary Andersen should be fully ready with systems in place by the time the Ohio year comes around. And the other years may be difficult. But not impossible. Minn & Ok St at home should make for wins. Just wish Ohio state was making a trip to Corvallis. The ducks have a home and home with them. Tell me again why we aren’t able to do that?

  • Bill says:
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    Non conferences are scheduled years in advance. It’s nearly impossible to know who’s going to be good or bad that far into the future. Finances are also taken into consideration.

    To get lesser opponents to come, programs have to pay. Pretty sure the Ducks will be paying all 3 opponents in 2018.

    And sometimes programs have to go get paid. Beavs will be paid 1.7 million for the Ohio St game.

    • idiot says:
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      Yeah, it’s nearly impossible to know Ohio State is going to be good or bad.

  • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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    Ducks do play Ohio State(home) and Auburn(Neutral site) in upcoming years, and played Michigan State last year on the road, so they do schedule teams with a similar difficulty level.
    We just don’t have the level of program to really consider those types of games to be competitive up to this point.
    Just seems to make more sense to give your team the best chance of winning games and increase your chances of getting into a bowl game as well. It’s not like the Pac-12 9(10 if you get into the conf championship) game schedule is ever a cake walk.

  • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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    WSU knows what they’re doing. Love this schedule (although the lost to Portland State last year)

    2015- Portland State, Rutgers, Wyoming
    2016- Eastern Washington, Boise State, Idaho
    2017- Montana State, Boise State, Nevada
    2018- Wyoming, San Jose State, Eastern Washington
    2019- Northern Colorado, Central Michigan, BYU

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Andersen press conference being live streamed now:
    http://pac-12.com/live/oregon-state-university-2

    EDIT-ADD: Sorry to go OT but wanted folks to have the opportunity to hear the presser. Couple observations: 1-Andersen didn’t look too tired to me, 2-He gave props to Fred L, seems to have a different opinion than angry, 3-very much “in character” when asked if the D playbook would be watered down when young guys were on the field.

  • AntiAngryBeaver says:
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    And if OSU played 3 creampuffs you’d bitch and complain about that.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      They wouldn’t.

      I would.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Me too. Play good teams and get better.

        • angry angry says:
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          Nah. Play bad teams, get the nerves out/gain confidence, then play good teams in your conference.

          This machismo stuff about playing good teams has made OSU a National embarrassment. Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan, TCU, et al. It’s very bad for OSU to schedule these games, and they’ve gotten worse from the past loses, not better.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I don’t get the machismo take… except that football draws on the same for most of its arguments. What I see is a great chance for team building and getting to travel to iconic locations, in either football or national history. And they get to do it before school.

            I think it would be cool to walk out to the Horseshoe pitch with my friends to play a game. I like winning more than I like losing, so I would want to see complete effort from my team. Giving up was one of the things I disliked most about Riley’s teams. There weren’t many seasons without a game or two (or more) where we had little effort, if any. At least last year we looked like we were beating our heads against a wall. Those who gave up didn’t get to play. Thus, we travel 58 to Autzen to end the season. I understand that kind of coaching. It’s what I would demand.

            Would I rather play an FCS game where we do this team building? Hell yes. We could easily travel to play the Ivies, or a Stony Brook or Georgetown. Take the guarantee we would have paid them and spend it on a junket.

            But I don’t mind if the players on our team get to go play at the Big House or the Horseshoe… or maybe get to see Touchdown Jesus. I would say that’s more romantic than it is machismo.

            In the end, it’s all a money grab. So I think the scheduling is the work of bean counters.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I don’t have a problem with one seriously challenging game on the non-conference schedule. I do wish they’d get home and home, or at least 2 there 1 in Corvallis. Trouble is, big program often back out of those games after they got their home game because there’s more risk than reward for them.

    As much as it would be great to have a veteran QB for those games, I think its also important to have solid depth on both sides of the ball. Not there yet by a long shot…2018 should be better, but QB will be inexperienced.

    Why does UO get them at home? I suppose slightly bigger stadium, better game day environment, lots of ESPN love, GameDay…Nike…..marketing – image image image…college football mindshare.

    Vegas is a shithole IMO, and the opportunity to experience a real college football environment like Ohio State would be more interesting.

    I wish Stansbury would challenge Notre Dame to a series given OSU is 2-0 against them in bowl games. ND is typically overrated, but gets tons of exposure. The games would be winnable, and the kids would enjoy it.

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      “I wish Stansbury would challenge Notre Dame to a series given OSU is 2-0 against them in bowl games. ND is typically overrated, but gets tons of exposure. The games would be winnable, and the kids would enjoy it.”

      What’s that saying? Wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which one fills up faster. Not shitting on your idea but let’s be realistic here. Stansbury can challenge Notre Lame all he wants. But much like tOSU, Michigan, etc OSU would be traveling somewhere to play them. Either to South Bend or a neutral site such as San Antonio when they played Wazzu several years back. ND would never come to Corvallis. Or maybe that was your point and you’d be ok with a paycheck game against them???

    • tim318 says:
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      Time and time again, programs like tOSU and Texas and Alabama play all their non-con games at home (or maybe one at a neutral site). So they won’t want to travel west to play OSU, especially if the game might be late night.

  • mckalk says:
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    I’ve guess the idea is to have a fighting chance to at least go 2-1. That seems doable with what I’m seeing.

    • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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      I’d prefer a fighting chance at going 3-0, rather than near zero chance of going 3-0.

      • Homefry Homefry says:
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        I see 2-1 each year, rather do that than 3-0 against directional schools.

  • Cake says:
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    We’re paying off Andersen’s $3million buyout, we need bodybag games.

    Unrelated, the depth chart is out.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/oregon_state_football_depth_ch.html

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Seems like a decent OOC schedule to me, or am I supposed to maintain a loser mentality?

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Based on the linked podcast above, I guess you could say Gary Andersen maintains a loser mentality.

    • angry angry says:
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      Give me a break.

      OSU should not be playing more difficult schedules than Oregon or the SEC.

      You can talk it up with bravado all you want, but in the end it’s a guaranteed lose, and that’s always stupid. There are very good reasons to schedule cream puffs, and no valid reason to schedule Ohio State.

      • Bill says:
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        The AD thinks there are 1.7 million reasons to schedule Ohio State.

        • angry angry says:
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          Bad reason.
          Why stop there if it’s all about money? Schedule Georgia and Alabama, too.

          There’s way more money to be had via a good bowl game. Getting your pay day via a beating is lame sauce, and frankly, the easy way out. Hilarious how people like it. Guess it’s true that loser mentality will take years to wear off.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            What do people like better? 3 patty cake games and maybe get into a better bowl?

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            My vote is yes. No game is a patty cake game for OSU though, as Sac State and Eastern Washington have proven at Reser.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            “There’s way more money to be had via a good bowl game”

            The bowl game revenue is dispersed equally amongst the 12 conference members after expenses.

            OSU would get more revenue scheduling body bag games. I am fine with the current schedule and the way GA wants to schedule OOC games.

          • angry angry says:
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            the way GA wants to schedule OOC game

            You should watch the GA interviews. In the past two, he’s stated explicitly that he hates the current scheduling.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I have not watched them. I was going off what he stated shortly after he was hired. I don’t agree with the paycheck games. I am good with a schedule that consists of one FCS, one mid major (such as a Nevada, Colorado St, etc) and one P5 school like a Minnesota, Purdue, Kansas, etc. I wouldn’t mind a home and home with Nebraska if they’re game.

          • angry angry says:
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            2014 was the best recent schedule:

            Portland State
            @Hawaii
            San Diego State

            That’s good.
            If they want a more challenging game, every few years schedule a bigger game in years when they anticipate having a lot of seniors. That’s the smart way to do it. What we’re doing is the “We’re poor” (even though we’re not) masked as bravado and rhetoric that we’re brave enough to play these games. More like stupid enough…

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            Even though bowl money is dispersed evenly, the benefit in making a bowl comes in having an extra couple of weeks to practice as a team as well as being able to tell recruits “we play in bowl games regularly” rather than, “sometimes we’re lucky enough to make a bowl game”

            Get 3 easy non-con wins any which way you can, then play your Pac-12 schedule where the league already beats itself up. 3 more wins equals lower tier bowl, but go .500 in league and you’re an 8 win team. Sure, the record may not be indicative of the true quality of your team, but that 8 wins looks better to recruits than 5 or 6.

          • angry angry says:
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            Yep.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I absolutely cannot deny the benefit of those extra practices and honestly had not even thought about that due to as of right now? Even if the Beavs had 3 easy OOC games I still highly doubt they’d make a bowl game this year.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            Let’s say they start with 3 non con wins. I think the momentum and confidence could help propel them to 3 wins out of 9 remaining conference games At least they’d have an attainable goal to focus on. That Michigan loss last year had a long lasting hangover that they never pulled out of.

            The other problem with these eastern timezone games is the game times are rarely favorable. Minnesota is an exception, but Penn St and Michigan were really early start times for a west coast team. It’s easier to travel west and play late than travel east and play early. Good chance Ohio State will be a noon kickoff as well.

          • Homefry Homefry says:
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            Fail

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        “You can talk it up with bravado all you want, but in the end it’s a guaranteed lose, and that’s always stupid. There are very good reasons to schedule cream puffs, and no valid reason to schedule Ohio State.”

        Appalachian St disagrees. Upsets happen. Oregon St knows this all too well.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    So far everyone but me is staying on the topic of schedules, I’ll post the injury report for Thursday on the prior thread.

  • angry angry says:
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    You guys realize teams like Nicholls State play Oregon State for a payday, knowing they’ll take the beat down. To you this means Nicholls State are tough guys who are willing to play anyone?

    Nicholls State has to do it. OSU has a lucrative TV contract, a split of lucrative bowls, large donors, etc. We don’t need to play Ohio State or Oklahoma State. If the program ever gets on the level of Oregon, sure, go out and play those games for National standing and reputation… and because you can legit win them. Those National beatdowns just ruin Oregon State in the public’s eye, and they do nothing for post-season/bowl chances (sans the miracle victory).

    Gary Andersen is on record saying he doesn’t like it at all, nor the 9 game con. schedule. He’s right on both. The conference is hurting itself by doing more than they have to.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Pfft! I don’t care what the coach says. What would Bruce Lee say?!

    • ObjCritic says:
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      No, I was totally about the Nicholls State…poor bastards came back out west and played UO a year or two after OSU; long flights for major beatdowns… I realize those are money games for them.

    • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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      Thing is, you can’t predict where the program will go. Those games are scheduled so far in advance that there’s no way you can tell where the football program will be.

      I agree that just getting an away game against Ohio State is stupid. Should’ve gotten at least a home and home with them if you’re going to schedule them at all.

      By the time we face Oklahoma State though, the rebuild should be either complete or close to completion. We could have a great chance of winning at least the home game against them by that time.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    And you know those games against Ohio State and Okie State will be winnable, right?

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I think the OOC is okay. One patsy, One medium, and One higher profile. I think we have a deal with the B1G to play their teams regularly. That is why we are playing Minny. UO played Sparty last two seasons. I think most of the Pac12 are encouraged to schedule against B1G . Now do we need to play Ohio St? NO lets keep playing the Minny’s, Indiana’s, Wisky, Iowa. There are a ton of schools that we are on par with.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    GA stated shortly after he was hired in one of the interviews that the OOC scheduling would be one FCS, one mid major, one P5.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      And make sure that P5 team reciporicates with a home/home series. Scheduling Ohio State away is sending the message that we’re interested in trading an L for some cash.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        agreed. Oregon St is not going to get Michigan, Michigan St or tOSU to come to Reser. Schedule home and home with the P5 teams that will give you a return game. But they have to come here first so they can’t buy their way out of it. I think that is a good model. FCS first, mid major 2nd, then your final OOC game against a P5 school.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    From the perspective of the OSU Athletics Department, I agree that the team should load up on as many cupcakes as possible. No reason to risk unnecessary losses, or to damage the image of the program in the national eyes.

    From the perspective of a fan though, I love that the team isn’t just scheduling cupcakes. Out of conference games are the only times outside of bowl games I’ll be able to see OSU play teams outside of the usual PAC-12 slate, and while OSU really should’ve gotten a home and home with Ohio State instead of getting ripped off, I love the break in the monotony that comes from OSU playing legit non-conference teams.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      No way tOSU gives us a home game. Stadium is too small to give them enough coin.

  • angry angry says:
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    GA doesn’t seem confident. MN is probably going to dominate the line play based on everything I’m hearing.

    • angry angry says:
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      GA says Fred L made huge improvements. Hope that’s true because he was really bad. I suppose the good thing about being really bad is that you CAN make “huge” improvements.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Colt Lyerla arrested for heroin posession

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/08/former_oregon_ducks_star_colt.html

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    There is an ebb and flow in CFB. Teams get better and get worse. Some teams have it easier to be good/great. In ’02, ’03. and ’04 my Golden Rodents beat Arkansas, Oregon, and Alabama in bowl games. Then the toilet was flushed and down we went. Bama hired the right guy and became Bama again. Ducks hired Kelly. Certain teams have a high probability of being good, but you never know how it will play out several years down the road. Perfect example is what transpired at Baylor this off season. tOSU is a great atmosphere for a CFB.game. As good as it gets. Get better and compete.

    • angry angry says:
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      Recent high profile OOC games:

      L Louisiana State 22-21 (with a free serving of luck o’ the beavs salt)
      L Louisville 63-27
      L Cincinnati 34-3
      L Cincinnati 28-18
      L Penn State 45-14
      W Louisville 35-28
      L TCU 30-21
      L Wisconsin 35-0
      W Wisconsin 10-7
      L Michigan 35-7

      They win 20% of these games. The two wins were home games, so we lose 100% of these games on the road. Throw in Boise State when they were good/ranked and it gets uglier.

      Explain how they’re getting better and competing. I’m all ears. They’re worse than ever.

      Plus, the head coach hates it. The only decent (sad/funny) argument is that the Beavs laid some eggs early on against DII teams, too. I mean I’d rather lose to Ohio State than Sacramento State. Been saying a while that the Beavs need to go to an SEC scheduling model. Until the NCAA penalizes teams for poor scheduling take advantage of it. There’s nothing to gain (80%+ loss rate) by pretending we’re Fresno State machismos who will play anyone anywhere. Speaking of Fresno State, they killed us, too, but I’m not sure that’s considered a big OOC game. If it is, and with the Boise games, we lose like 90% of OOC games vs decent teams.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        and who was the head coach for all of those games? Weren’t you also railing on the loser mentality that Simple Jack had ingrained on this program and fans?

        • angry angry says:
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          Andersen was the coach @ Michigan.

          If we want to blame Riley, cool, let’s wait and see. Andersen has another shot on Thursday and a fistful of these games upcoming over the next few years.

          Getting the loser mentality/Riley out of the program does not need to involve scheduling ridiculous non-con. 9 conference games is hard enough. There’s no reason/benefit to schedule these games. The Beavs aren’t poor.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Ok so ONE out of those games and in his first year. I am ok with the wait and see approach. 3 years from now we all might say, fucking bring on tOSU

          • angry angry says:
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            Even if we’re good enough to compete against tOSU, it’s still stupid to play them early OOC.

            Is Andersen going to beat Minnesota? Could be 0-2 in these games very soon…

            I thought the Beavs would win this game due to speed, but the more I look at this and read up on MN the more I think their lines will take over the game.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Well……………….GA did coach at a B1G school for 2 years and played Minnesota twice (and beat them both times). I’m sure he’s aware of the corn fed big boys on the O line out there. I honestly don’t know. Minnesota has gone thru just as many changes as the Beavs have. I don’t have much of a feel on this one. Minnesota isn’t world beaters. But the Beavs are trying to pull themselves out of the sewer. Could be a blowout, could be a close game. Tune in Thursday night to find out

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            I’m well aware of the parade of losses. My butt was in the seat at Wisconsin and Michigan. Penn State, LSU, and Michigan were body bag games. The other teams we managed to hit at historic highs………..Luck O Da Beavs. The Rodent Bowl is a perfect match for both squads. B1G is also playing a nine game conf. schedule. Two years ago Minnesota played @ TCU and got absolutely destroyed. Very depressing as a fan. They exposed the flaws in the team to both the coaching staff and players. They addressed the issues and ended up trashing Michigan in the Big House and playing the national champion Buckeyes a great game, before losing by a touchdown. It ended up being a great season and after the fact the players and coaches said the TCU loss was the key. They found out stuff the never would have it they played and beat Eastern Western State and School of Cosmetology.

          • scotty says:
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            Think of the fans, beavergopher. The School of Cosmetology must have some great tight ends for them to watch 🙂

          • Jack Jack says:
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            GA speaks the numbers game. Cupcake scheduling is the easy money.

            But you have to think he has a 59-0 that he really wants to avenge.

      • JockItch JockItch says:
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        Agree with Angry on this one. Take the SEC approach, it fucking works!!!

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    Easy there big fella…

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    Why not blame the AD and Riley for not getting us out of the Pac 12 and into the mountain west or WAC. Just beat 12 crappy teams and declare yourself national champ, I guess. I think playing FCS teams should be outlawed. I would rather lose to a couple good ooc teams than crush 3 bad teams, then go winless in conference and say we weren’t that bad, look at our overall record. EARN you record in my opinion – too many damn bowls already. 3-6 in conference 6-6 overall should never garner a bowl bid. Just hand out participation awards and let every team in the playoffs while we are at it. Know how you become soft? Compete against weaker competition.

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      But now you’re talking more about changing the system rather than figuring out how to best play within the system. If we decide to schedule and lose 3 tough non con games, and then an SEC team plays 4 non-con patsies, they’re 4 wins ahead of us. W counts for everything unfortunately. It’s part of why the SEC always has 10 of the top 15 ranked teams throughout most of the season every year. Theyre probably not all worthy of a top 15 ranking, but they have those Ws so they stay up there.

      Take a look back at our best season at OSU. I was at that first FCS game that we nearly lost to Georgia Southern in week 1. (21-19 win)
      We then played New Mexico followed by San Diego State. Then the team got into a groove and had a great Pac 10 season. Now imagine how that season would have turned out if we got blasted by Michigan or TCU in week 1?

      Does anybody remember that team for playing 3 patsies early in the year? We could barely beat EWU in week1, but ended the season at #4 nationally, and were a field goal from playing for the national championship.

      Give me 3 non con patsies every year if it means I get chance to have another season like that.

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        But now you’re talking more about changing the system rather than figuring out how to best play within the system.

        Yeah I don’t think it’s sinking in to these dudes that very few teams do this, so those who do are shooting themselves in the foot. Obviously everyone would rather watch a legit team, but since the system in place doesn’t reward it and actually penalizes it (e.g. a 1 loss Alabama who beat 3 directional schools would be in ahead of OSU with 2 loses, even with 1 being to Ohio State), it’s stupid to schedule that type of game.

        There’s really no debate to be had. The Beavs have lost 100% of these games when they’re on the road in the past decade. The Beavs are at their all time low despite rhetoric that these games toughen the team up. It basically comes down to bravado/machismo and “I get bored easily so I’d rather watch them play a good team on TV”. Well, then you won’t be watching them in any meaningful bowl. SEC is super lame/annoying with their scheduling but much smarter than the PAC. Beavs seem to be the worst offender in the PAC, too. Oregon is up there, but they can back it up as a program at this point.

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        Georgia Southern was a mistake, meant Eastern. But you get my point. That 2000 non con schedule was perfect. Just like what WSU and Utah are doing this year.

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          According to how you say you’d prefer to see the scheduling so was 2002 and 2003. How’d those seasons turn out? 8 wins both years. You cannot use one great season as your lone example. It is an anamoly that has yet to be repeated. Yes, scheduling is a part of the equation. But you need to be prepared for the grind of 9 tough conference games. How do you do that when schedules are made years in advance???

          Case in point? OSU played a damn good Hawaii team in 2006 the last game of the regular season. Good thing that game was the last one before the bowl game. Who knew Hawaii would be that good when the game was scheduled years before? Had OSU played them over there in the first 3 weeks of the season does anyone think Riley’s typical slow starting teams would have won? Or Utah in 2008? Or Fresno St in 2001?

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            So 2002 and 2003 ended with 8 wins and bowl games? Rather than 5 wins with some quality non-con losses mixed in?
            Sounds good to me.
            Not saying 3 cupcakes means youre going to run the table every year, but it still lends itself to a better chance at a bowl. I’d rather have multiple vegas/kraft fight hunger/emerald bowls over no bowls. I know, crazy.

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        Did you just seriously compare a Pac-12 teams scheduling to an SEC team? From 15 years ago??? It goes like this. An SEC team can schedule 4 cream puffs at home and the SEC schedule is a rigorous grind that tests their mettle. A Pac-12 team can schedule 3 cream puffs at home or EVEN on the road and that scheduling gets blasted as weak sauce. The SEC gets the benefit of the doubt. The Pac-12 does not. You have no argument here. That perception IS reality. Is it a stacked deck? Maybe. Why? Well….prove it on the field. How many Pac-12 teams have won it all lately? How many SEC? The model works for them because they’re SEC and get the benefit of the doubt. It won’t work for OSU. If you’re fine with 8-4 and going Vegas every year for Christmas then fine. I don’t know what to tell you. 8-4 in the SEC gets you to a new years day or close to that bowl game. In the Pac-12 it doesn’t. Reality sucks

        Lastly that Oregon State team got better and better as the season went along and that D was ferocious. I recall a 21-19 squeaker in the season opener against EWU because I was there. The WSU game IIRC they knocked Alex Brink out of the game and Josh Swogger was running for his life the rest of the night. I was also there for that one and the first time they beat USC since 1967. That season was lightning in a bottle. Doesn’t happen too often in Corvallis. But that was sure as shit one hell of a fun season and destroying Notre Lame was the icing on the cake after they talked shit for weeks that OSU had no business playing with them and Virginia Tech should have been there instead. They were right that Va Tech should have been there. Playing Oregon St

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    Beavs just lost their German OL commit, Fabian Kratz. He’s leaving to finish high school in Germany and taking the year off from football. Doesnt sound like it has anything to do with OSU. Just a change in where his life is taking him.

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    Am I correct in remembering the last major non-conf game, played across the country AND starting in the evening was LSU? We should have and almost did win that game. I think the evening start time this week makes a big difference in our favor.

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    Hopefully the Gophers will dig themselves a hole during the game! Hyuck go beavs

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      Great pun, beavgirl!
      Looks like it went over these dude’s heads. Not surprising.

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    No thanks, I like the way Oregon State has scheduled for the past several years. The Pac-12 (or heck, even the NCAA) needs to be encouraging teams to schedule OOC games up to that level, not down in the dregs like the SEC does. It should be mandatory that every P5 school should has another P5 school in their OOC schedule every year. It’s nice to have interesting games to look forward to in the first month of the season, and as a fan, I’ll take a loss or two in OOC every year against a tougher schedule versus going 3-0 against three cupcake opponents. (though we haven’t exactly been beating the cupcakes lately either). If we can’t win 5 or 6 games in conference, we don’t really deserve to go to a bowl anyway.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Amen!

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      That’s fine so long as you realize they’re not going to any big time post season games b/c of how they schedule.

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        That’s fine. If you want a big bowl game, win your conference. Performance OOC doesn’t matter for that. I’ve been on the other side of this as a Baylor fan, with cupcakes the first several weeks and the subsequent big bowl game after running through the schedule. Losing to the big guys in September versus losing to them during the bowl season makes no difference to me. The success of your season is made during the conference portion of your schedule.

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          If you want a big bowl game, win your conference.

          More machismo bravado and complete cluelessness how the NCAA actually works. Do you understand why the SEC schedules the way they do and constantly find themselves in huge games? Do you understand why Boise St and Utah used to schedule like they did and make it to huge games? You think Utah and Boise were going to BCS games if they scheduled Ohio State OOC? Lol. OSU has two opportunities to get to a nice bowl game — winning their conference or just racking up wins. For example, Stanford and USC were in the title game last year. Stanford wins the conference. What happens to Oregon? They still get the Alamo Bowl (formerly Holiday) vs TCU, which is a really nice bowl game. I’m sure there are many other examples in other conferences over the years, but I don’t follow those conferences. OSU has never played in the 2nd place PAC bowl game. For good reason, they shoot themselves in the foot with scheduling. (Not that I think the 2nd place bowl is a great goal, but it would be a nice step for OSU short-term).

          If you want a good bowl game, win games. Period.

          Wins are what’s rewarded, so get wins. If the NCAA suddenly starts rewarding teams for playing Ohio State, then play Ohio State. Actions should be based on a reward system. If an action isn’t rewarded, don’t do it. This is pretty much the foundation of our society. People act on incentive. There’s no incentive.

          You are being machismo. There’s a big difference between losing to the big boys in September vs December. In December you have nothing to lose. In September it could immediately knock you out of a dozen potential big bowl games, potentially cost you any bowl game and the extra practices, and increase major injury risk vs their superior athletes.

          If OSU gets to the level of USC and Oregon, then go play Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma State, et al. We’re so far from that, so there’s no reason to do this. You really need to think about it more because you’re clueless.

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            That’s not machismo. It just makes sense. The one thing I disagree with the play-off set-up they have now is that they leave the opportunity for a non-champion to play for their championship. THAT makes zero sense to me.

            Either you win your conference, or you don’t get to advance to greater things.

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            Technically the fiesta bowl vs Norte dame was the 2nd place pac bowl.

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            I made that mistake in passing below. We could have gone undefeated and still played in only the Rose instead of the Sugar in 2000. We could have lost all our noncons and still played in the Rose.

            We didn’t… because we were macho in a rabbit hole?

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    They’re painting the rest of the VFC.

    http://webcam.oregonstate.edu/reser/

    Watched some interviews with Minnesota’s coach. Sort of talks like Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys. I think we have the coaching advantage in this one for what it’s worth.

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      If German kid only knew of this, he wouldn’t have decommitted.

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      Don’t undersell him. He was a fantastic DC. I know he looks like the fat kid that got beat up on the playground, but he was most responsible for all of Jery Kill’s successful turn arounds. He is a smart guy with a mathematics degree. Calling card has really good halftime adjustments. The anti Banker.
      Kids like him. Has been the fill in HC several times, We will see how it plays out for real. The football stuff should be fine. The concern is recruiting. He does not look like the stereotypical football coach.

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        I don’t make fun of folks for their weight. I just thought he sort of sounded like he could be in the Trailer Park Boys with the way he talks. Although it was amusing seeing a clip of him eating an ice cream bar on the sidelines during a cold night.

        Does he still take a lead on the defensive coaching or is someone else handling that?

        Sounds like Minn. fields a pretty good defense. Hoping our speed can put up some points. If we play good offense I would think it might be difficult for a team like Minn. to keep up. I think we have plenty of skill players to far exceed the output from last year.

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      I think the rain gutter down pipes are my favorite feature….hope they paint them orange so they really stand out.

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        Tanks for nothin’!! Now that you’ve mentioned the rain gutter pipes, that’s all i can focus on and how it won’t matter what color they paint them; they will still stick out like a sore thumb!

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      It’s oddly satisfying watching them paint. I should probably get back to work…

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        Agreed. But right now it appears they missed a spot and it’s really bothering me. Thinking about making a phone call to make sure they get it.

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        Perhaps its the tangible, empirical progress that eludes others in their various capacities…

        And watching paint dry was supposed to be boring….

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    As far as scheduling goes, and as a fan, I want neither an FCS opponent nor Ohio State. There are plenty of teams like Minnesota and BYU to go around. No 30 point blow-outs either way. What sticks in my craw though are the two FCS losses… given that it’s hard to argue against them.

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      And those teams you mention seem more likely to go for a home/home set up.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Here is my take on the Gopher D. This is the unit primarily responsible for the climb back to repectability. Last season a parade of injuries led to a step back, but they stil finished guite highly ranked as a unit. The difference last year was losing third down on favorable down and distance situations and not getting turnovers. The lack of an outside pass rush was the issue. The previous two years they seemed to stop plays just short of a first down and last season it was always just past the third down.
    DT: For the first time since this staff has been here we will have legitimate 4-5 deep at DT. They brought in a huge JC kid to add some bulk. The other kids were thrown into the fire and played out of position the last three years. These kids have are now much bigger and have played a lot of ball.
    The kid to watch is Steven Richardson # 96. Short, 6′ maybe, 300lb. His game is guickness and now he has the added size. Yanni will have his hands full with him.
    DE: Starters should be good. Galen Elmore #87. 6’6″ 275. Is an legit elite athlete. He was recruited to be TE but due to injuries his freshman year was switched to D line. Had to play out of position at DT last year. Staff seems pretty comfortable with the backups, which was the concern going in.
    The scheme is a get upfield and penetrate. 4-3 base.
    LB: Two returning starters who played pretty well. Jack Lynn is a potential All B1G player. They rotate quite a bit and the new starter has played a lot. Coaches have been pumping up this group all offseason. Lots of kids who have been in the system a few years and a very good group of freshmen. Local 4 star, Carter Coughlin, choose us over the Ducks and tOSU. FTD.
    DB’s: Two very good ones returning at CB and S. A freshman or redshirt freshman at the other CB.
    Weak spot is #4 at safety. The coaching and development of this group has been outstanding. There may be some vulnerabilities early in the season, but they will be very good by the end.

    Overall: Coaches have been very high on this unit. Clayes is not the typical smoke up the ass salesman type. He has high expectations for them and this should be a legit measuring stick for the improvement of the Beav’s offense. They had an offseason pow wow with Dave Aranda and I expect to see more 3-4 on passing downs to utilize the athletes at OLB. Although they might not be world class speedsters, this is a defense based on speed and quickness. Go Rodents!

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      Jack Lynn sounds like a white dude with long hair who runs sideline to sideline killing everyone and doing fist pumps, like Clay Mathews. Am I wrong?

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        Based on his name, I thought the same when they recruited him. He is a black kid with long dreads, so you got the hair part correct. The white kid rocking the Fabio style hair is the MLB, Cody Poock.

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          Damn! Cue a social justice warrior to let me know I’m a racist who judges a book by it’s name.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I don’t know that free flowing locks and awesome football are something to complain about for a stereotype. If you would have typed him as some boneheaded white Pankey, then yeah, queue them all up. Who wants to be known as the guy who gets credited for an assist just for having a tackle land somewhere within two yards of your feet… while you hug a tight end.

            Mmmm… tight ends.

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        Forget white or black, Jack Lynn sounds like Jacqueline. And no I would not say that to his face (but that doesn’t make it any less true)

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      What is this guickness you keep speaking of? A combination of guts and quickness? Or maybe maybe a gopher with the quickness, Guickness? If so, the Beaver Offense might be Gucked!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Love Gavin Andrews attitude on expectations for the season:

    “I want to win the Pac-12 championship and I want to go out with a bowl game. Those are my expectations, as they should be for anyone on this team. If you’re not into winning, what’s the point of even trying?”

    Maybe not realistic, but certainly refreshing.

    Warning: Annoying OLive slideshow format:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/in_their_words_how_will_oregon.html#8

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Danny Moran with a brief conversation with a Gopher beat writer:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/beat_writer_qa_what_makes_minn.html#incart_river_index

    Angry, you found anybody on a Gopher website to exchange Q&A? Or are you too busy for that?

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      LOL. Love the headline. I have as much a chance of being a first round pick as Mitch Leidner.

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        Have any eligibility left? Moran needs some competition.

        Yeah, the conversation didn’t exactly support the headline….

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          Andersen has my tape. Unless I’m guaranteed the starting position, he can pound sand.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    The Pac 12 scheduling topic came up on the Dusty and Cam show on 1080 this morning actually. Their opinion was Pac 12 is stupid for sending teams to play Michigan type games in week 1, and they should move a cupcake non-con game to mid season so it’s like a built in bye week, just like the SEC teams do.

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      No, we need to play the big boys, because it makes us better. Lolol.

      The only teams that should be playing Michigan early on are Oregon or USC. It’s even stupid for them, but teams like that want to waive their dick around in public, so they know what they’re getting into and are willing to do the time for the crime.

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        They pretty much echoed that sentiment as well saying the only teams that should schedule big are Alabamas and LSUs. The lower level SEC teams like a Vandy or Kentucky shouldn’t and don’t schedule big Non-con games, because it make them look worse when they lose, and it hurts the SEC conference overall when they lose to a middle of the road Big 10 team, etc.

        (Vandy plays Middle Tennesee, Georgia Tech, Western Kentucky and Tennessee State this year with Tennessee State coming in late October.

        Kentucky plays Southern Miss, New Mexico St, Austin Peay and then rival Louisville)

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      “a cupcake non-con game … mid season”; sure would have come in handy this season. Makes sense to me regardless of the scheduled actual bye week.

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    Received a funny email in my inbox this morning about scheduling, in regard to fans supporting these insane games:

    “I suppose it’s a little bit like being Dave Baldwin’s doctor. You can try all you want to convince him that a case of diet coke every day is going to kill him early, but he’s just going to keep drinking that shit.”

    Sums it up well.

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      Instead, at the end of the season, we’ll bitch about the SEC taking the easy road every year, when we should be bitching about our own team taking the road full of potholes and roadblocks while the easy road is there to be taken.

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        Yeah SEC is smart. Sad those dumb redneck bastards can outsmart all the “superior” research schools out west.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    A number of Beaver LBs do seem light for the task in Minnesota given Minny’s O-Line:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/08/as_oregon_state_defense_gets_m.html#incart_river_index

    Hamilcar has one of the better names in recent Beaver football history….

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    I won’t link it, but blitz has a (free) “behind enemy lines” piece up with a write up from GopherReport (Minnesota’s Blitz)

    BeaverGopher’s analysis has been much more comprehensive. thanks BG

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      Welcome. The guys at The Daily Gopher do a pretty good job. Not total homers.
      http://www.thedailygopher.com/2016/8/30/12709458/minnesota-football-ten-reasons-to-be-excited-the-season-is-upon-us

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        What?!?

        “5. Taking Advantage of a Fortuitous Schedule

        Last year, the Gophers played the 5th hardest schedule in the nation according to S&P+. The likes of TCU, Michigan, Ohio State, and Iowa, just to name a few, created a daunting gauntlet of games few teams could match. However, in 2016, the schedule has turned in the Gophers favor……”

        “4. Fall Saturdays at The Bank

        Nothing beats swinging the gates open, shouting the Rouser at the top of your lungs, enjoying a Dilly Bar with Dilly Bar Dan, and “doing the Gopher” with 55,000 of your closest maroon and gold-clad friends. The Bank won’t necessarily see many “marquee” opponents outside of Iowa…”

        The schedule is in their favor? OSU Beavers aren’t a marquee opponent?

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          2-10 does not bring a lot of cred. The average fan is excited to play a PAC team. The home schedule does suck compared to last year.

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            I’m sure it doesn’t…was just kidding. Enjoyed the article, the film links were good.

            More and more this is looking like a very challenging game in a great stadium.

            I do like the evening start time; I think Garretson will be ready to play and his experience will be helpful.

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    Scheduling: I’m one who likes the idea of 1 tune-up cupcake, one respectable small school, and 1 big name P-5 marquee matchup.

    The only FCS team we should ever play is PSU @ home or Providence Park (or whatever the hell it’s called now).

    Regarding missing out on bowl money: I could be off base but I think bowls only really make money for the conferences, advertisers, venue and the NCAA. Almost every team breaks even or loses money by the time it’s all said and done. I could be wrong and am too lazy to look up, but I believe Oregon even reported a loss when they played in the National Championship. Bowls are good for exposure, recruits, fan base, but not a money maker.

    At the end of the day, even if we schedule easy the selection committee will take a 2-3 Loss SEC team over a 1 or 2 loss OSU. Until it goes to a broader and more inclusive playoff schedule (8 teams?) there will be too much bias.

    One part of this you might not have a gauge on Angry is traveling to storied venues for away games and experiencing how different parts of the country treat visiting fans and party on game day might be the best thing about college football.

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      One part of this you might not have a gauge on Angry is traveling to storied venues for away games and experiencing how different parts of the country treat visiting fans and party on game day might be the best thing about college football.

      Again, that goes back to you. What you like. Not what’s best for the team.

      I’d actually rather watch OSU play tOSU instead of Idaho State. BUT, objectively, it’s awful for the program.

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        “One part of this you might not have a gauge on Angry is traveling to storied venues for away games and experiencing how different parts of the country treat visiting fans and party on game day might be the best thing about college football.”

        Another way to achieve that is to get 10+ wins and get to a major bowl game staged in a major venue. Like it or not, a team is more likely to do that with an easy to manageable non-conference schedule.

        I always suspected Riley had a loser mentality, never thought he’d get to a major bowl game, and to him the LSU and Penn State type of games were his early season bowl games where he hoped to win, but didn’t expect to.

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    Garrett’s nightmare.

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      Who’s Garret?

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        He has fat fingers.

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          That’s a prairie dog.

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            Correct. He identifies himself as a Gopher, however.

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            No self-respecting plainsman sells out to the big city on some wagon made of Minnie. Blah blah blah… something about at least you weren’t as bad as Wiscy at hockey… something else about a low bar… and something that involves the words fer sure… ya know?

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      That’s pretty lame. Do they think that is funny or clever out there.

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    We don’t have a Garett. So i guess it’s all good !

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    OT: A look at the new Sun Devil Stadium design! Wow! That about sums it up. Almost a complete overhaul of the upper deck and loge sections will be added.

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    Fine, I admit it. I’d rather have the team lose interesting games in September than do the smart thing and pad the win total in meaningless games against cupcakes. And I don’t care. These trips to Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio State, and all the other great venues are part of what make college football great. Adds some intrigue to what is typically a dull month for college football. Win or lose, getting to spend a few days in Minneapolis and going to tailgate and talk trash with some Gopher fans is going to be a blast. I saw someone earlier suggest that Oregon State play at Portland State some years so all of their OOC games could be in state. Fuck. That.

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      Why not visit those other venues for one of their regularly scheduled games, rather than to watch your Beavs be the sacrificial lambs?

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        He’d rather see the Beavs get killed by a powerhouse. It’s what makes college football great.

        I knew this was all for selfish reasons. So much for being Beaver fans. You guys want what is most entertaining to watch rather that what’s good for the program.

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          It’s a spectator sport. If it isn’t entertaining, what’s the point? Are you one of those fans that supports teams that tank to get a better draft pick?

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            You’re digging further into the rabbit hole of “I’m selfish”.

            Doubt you’re convincing anyone that Oregon State going to Ohio State is good.

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            Signing up to play an away game at Ohio State or Michigan with no return trip is essentially tanking for a payday.

            If we really needed the money, I guess I could understand being the whipping boy for a few games, but it would take a hell of a lot of Ohio State paydays to fund something like Raising Reser West

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            Your rabbit hole is made of straw… man.

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        That’s a fair point, and I do that on occasion. More fun when you actually have a team you genuinely support playing, though!

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      I agree in that away games at bigger venues is a good thing for their growth in getting them to “live in the hard” as Anderson says. It’s not easy to go play those venues and those teams. So what better way to showcase Anderson’s message to his players than playing against better competition? Sometimes players play down to competition while others still play at their best no matter what team they play. The Beavs are not in the mindset to know where they are if we schedule cupcakes before a gauntlet of Pac-12 games. Play harder competition with a mix of lower level teams to get a better understanding where you actually stand before Pac-12 play.

      Look back from 2001-2007 for Non-Con games:

      2001: Sep 2(Sun) @Fresno State L 24-44
      Sep 8(Sat) New Mexico St W 27-22
      Sep 29(Sat) @UCLA L 7-38
      Nov 17(Sat) NAU W 45-10
      Dec 1 (Sat) @Civil War L 14-17

      2002: Aug 29(Thur) Eastern KY W 49-10
      Sep 5 (Thur) @Temple W 35- 3
      Sep 14(Sat) UNLV W 47-17
      Sep 21(Sat) Fresno State W 59 -19
      Sep 28(Sat) @USC L 0 – 22

      2003: Aug 28(Thu) Sac State W 40 – 7
      Sep 5 (Fri) @Fresno State L 14 – 16
      Sep 13 (Sat) New Mexico St W 28-16
      Sep 20 (Sat) Boise State W 26-24
      Sep 27 (Sat) ASU W 45-17

      2004: Sep 4 (Sat) @LSU L 21-22
      Sep 10(Fri) @Boise St L 34-55
      Sep 18(Sat) New Mexico W 17-7
      Sep 25(Sat) ASU L 14-27

      2005: Sep 3 (Sat) Portland St W 41-14
      Sep 10(Sat) Boise St. W 30-27
      Sep 17(Sat) @Lousiville L 27-63
      Sep 24(Sat) ASU L 24-42

      2006: Aug 31(Thu) EWU W 56-17
      Sep 7 (Thu) @Boise St. L 14-42
      Sep 23(Sat) Idaho W 38-0
      Sep 30(Sat) CAL L 13-41
      Dec 2(Sat) @Hawaii W 35-32

      2007: Aug 30(Thu) Utah W 24-7
      Sep 6 (Thu) @Cincy L 3 -34
      Sep 15 (Sat) Idaho St. W 61-10
      Sep 22(Sat) @ASU L 32-44

      Non conference W-L Record: 17-7

      Conference games after playing a non conference opponent/slate: 1-7

      2002 and 2003 were our best 4-5 game starts in this 7 season stretch that’s 2/7 = 28.6% we start 4-1

      And coincidentally, that was after playing 4 non conference games in a row before starting pac-10 play at the time. This is not a good track record…someone else can do the other 8 seasons, but this was back when we didn’t have a QB controversy is the reason I’m bringing these games up.

      • NotThatGuy says:
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        How do we win more games by “knowing where we stand”?

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          By playing a mix of tough opponents, like Minnesota and Boise state this year, with a game like Idaho state in the middle after a bye week; we will see if the beavs have better talent, strength, and/or stamina to play all 4 quarters of a football game instead of maybe a quarter or two like Michigan game last year.

          We play Minnesota tough all 4 quarters and either squeak out a win or beat the spread, then we know that we matched up well with a B1G opponent for once. Then we go into a bye and rest a bit and fine tune any mistakes that were made and go beat up Idaho state. We take care of business and clean up mistakes, we head into Boise state game with confidence and more experience for the young players. Then once we play Boise state, we will either be 1-2, 2-1, or even 3-0 if we’re lucky. That’s how we will know where we stand by mixing up competition. Play hard, rest and fix things, play hard and build on that momentum.

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          We don’t. It’s nice sounding rhetoric, though.

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    It’s a simple case of how it should be vs. how it is.

    -How it should be: All FBS conferences should have 10 teams, and should play every other team in their conference in addition to playing 2 out of conference games vs other FBS teams. No games vs non FBS teams. Conference champion goes to the playoffs. Want to go? Win your conference.

    – How it is: Some teams play 8 conference games and 4 cupcakes, including one in October or November, basically giving themselves another bye week and late season opportunity to run up points and yards and defensive numbers. This is bullshit, but the teams that are doing this are not penalized for it so if your team/conference doesn’t follow this blueprint for success that’s on them. The recipe is there.

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      so if your team/conference doesn’t follow this blueprint for success that’s on them

      Yep, and the questions become why is the PAC12 and OSU so dense?
      We’re not poor. Is this because we’re insecure over “east coast bias”? That’s what I think…

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        You may think… But you’re wrong.

        We ALL know if we had 3 cupcakes this year you’d be complaining about how nobody takes us seriously with a JV schedule.

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    Anyone know the names/high school stories of the 3 guys that were added to the roster from that recent tryout?

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Yeah, i’ve got their info. Will post it after dinner

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Check out the twitter feed for updates on the 3 new walkons from tryouts—>

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      Inspector Clouseau, Harry Potter, and Holden Caulfield.

  • Outcast says:
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    OT: Jack, are you planning on picking five games from each week again for all of us to pick winners on? Added a fun bit of chatter on here midweek.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Yeah… good idea. I need to clear the spreadsheets from last year… if I can remember what sub-folder they’re in.

  • NotThatGuy says:
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    http://breakingmuscle.com/sports-psychology/winners-have-more-testosterone

    If you want OSU to have a more successful season then they need to win. If you want to enjoy the game more as an individual, in an isolated situation, then schedule tough. This seems like an argument of short term gain versus long term benefit. The individual game versus a high ranked opponent may more enjoyable in the moment but is detrimental to long term success.

    And to the first day D bag to question my reference, here is the actual study: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130514185338.htm

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      OSU played Eastern Washington, New Mexico and San Diego State in 2000, coincidentally the best OSU football team in the modern era. Not statistically significant but it certainly doesn’t dispute Angry argument.

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        That’s also post hoc. Remember that we were suffering at the end of the season for having by far the worst SOS in the Pac that year. That’s a part of why Notre Dame were a bunch of stupid morons who conflated the beginning of the season with the end. We could have been undefeated and still been put out of the BCS CG just for that… well… that and the East Coast bias that surely does not exist.

        It’s post hoc because we were good enough to beat anyone, and it’s likely we only played to the level of the games played early on. If we beat UW and go undefeated… we play in the Fiesta against Notre Dame.

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          Actually… we play in the Rose because we win the conference.

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          We beat EWU by 2 and UNM by 8. Do you really believe they played that far down? I was on that team and chemistry improved every week. I believe that played more in the improvement through the season than “playing up to the competition”. additionally I think it helped that Washington was nationally ranked when we lost a close game which did build confidence that we could play with anyone. Perhaps that would have happened had we scheduled a tough hand earlier on but I think that OSU needed a few “practice games” to gel and work out the kinks. A tougher scheduled would have likely resulted in one additional loss which would have likely eliminated us from a BCS game. FSU made it to the championship with two losses, which was a farse. The PAC schedule was what hurt by starting the slate with the next best team (Washington). Luck of the beavs, I guess.

          Ultimately, are we really designing a schedule that will allow OSU Trip reach the playoffs? I suggest we will get all or Nothing, likely nothing, with this type of approach. It might be prudent to first get to a top tier bowl before worrying about whether our non con schedule will be sufficient for getting us into the playoffs if we were to somehow manage to avoid two losses. We should have a better view of the playoffs coming after a 7+ win season than anything less than that. The great dilemma is that the schedule is usually set three years in advance which would make it difficult to add tough games in a short time frame (especially if we are good),

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I think that team would have won all their games if the non con was halfway decent. Then I think we would have been shunned for the BCSCG anyway… because of the West Coast bias.

            We could have beaten someone better than EWU in the first week… by the same score… because that’s what our team wanted to do that week.

            It’s on the coaches to have the players ready to play. The players are a bunch of dumb kids with the attention span of Tigger. All of this is noted. And this hypo is just a hypo.

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            Jack, he was ON THE TEAM. I think he knows why they improved. Chemistry it is.

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            A tougher scheduled would have likely resulted in one additional loss which would have likely eliminated us from a BCS game.

            Exactly.

            Read that again, folks.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            Wait, so you’re saying we could have traveled to Michigan in week 1, gotten our asses handed to us in an awesome venue, and then missed out on the Fiesta Bowl vs Notre Dame?

            Sign me up!

            (I kid…i kid…)

          • Jack Jack says:
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            If we’re just talking about the one-off games away, then I’m in agreement. There’s no need for us to do it when others don’t do it… except someone has to fill in all the schedules of those conferences who play seven and eight home games every year.

  • Numbers says:
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    BeaverGoph, since I’m too lazy to look it up. Is this the UM head coaches first ever colligent head coaching position?

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      Odd auto-correct. Collation is cool.

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      Yes. He has been a fill in several times during Kill’s medical problems.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Big 10 phased out playing FCS teams. No reason the other conferences can’t do the same.

    • scotty says:
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      With no more FCS cupcakes to play, demand for beavs and buffs should skyrocket! Ohhh yeahhh

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    “Does anyone know how that fifth year graduate transfer rule works?” Brandon Browner OSU 06

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      You’re picing on an AS player with a couple rings?

      You funny.

      Why not just pick on Weathersby for being a wimp and not getting over his stomach issues?

      Quack!

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        At least you’re not trying to sell us on some for-profit education scam… that you don’t think s a scam… yet.

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    This is horse shit, you have to have the B10 network to watch this game? The only reason to be a fan of a non-powerhouse team anymore is because of an emotional connection to your alma mater.

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      do they even let you purchase single games?

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        Don’t think single games are an option. I suppose you could purchase that package from Comcast for a single month, and then have it removed. Or you could use one of those bootleg european links in order to stream it, but I wouldn’t recommend that route if you’re looking for a high resolution feed.

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        You could call your provider and ask if they prorate for one day’s upgrade for a certain package. Say you want to try it out but might want to cancel it after a day or two if it’s not what you thought it was.

        Or call them and ask if they can do anything about your bill… and maybe throw in that sports package now that you have a little wiggle room.

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    So, would you guys support going back to an 8-game conference schedule? That’s done much more harm to the Pac-10/12 than any OOC scheduling. Allows everyone to play an extra cupcake and removes a guaranteed five losses from the teams in the conference.

    • angry angry says:
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      Yes.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Yes. Also one of the preferences of Gary Andersen from that radio interview on Monday.

      9 games plus a conference championship game is alot to ask of any team. Especially when those games are all back to back with no bye week to break it up.

      Again, it’s what the SEC already is doing. Allows the entire conference record to look better, meaning more bowl eligible teams and more shared bowl revenue cor every team in the conference.

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        Would the PAC 12 have the ability to go ahead and implement that as soon as next season? I wonder if there are contracts that would prevent that. I wouldn’t be surprised if the PAC 12 couldn’t do something like that for another 10 years.

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          I think that could be a major sticking point, like a Mike Riley lifetime contract was for OSU football

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      9 games with no championship game made sense with 10 teams. Everyone played everyone, and you got your ONE TRUE CHAMPION or whatever the lil’ 12 slogan is now. With 12 teams in the Pac and schools missing each other every year, anyway, might as well help the conference and dial it back to 8. Don’t really lose much, and there’s a lot to potentially gain.

  • angry angry says:
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    Guys, all that matters are wins. Doesn’t matter who you get them against. Look at Boise State. Look at Utah State (perception of that program changed as they won games…against the same bad opponents). Look at the SEC getting to the title game year after and racking up millions on the backs of cupcakes.

    The story of college football is the story of wins. Wins get you to prestige (national titles, et al), but those roads are always paved with cupcakes.

    Look at baseball: in Clayton 2012 Kershaw was 14-9 with 229 strikeouts and a league leading ERA of 2.53 and clearly the most dominant pitcher in the game. Yet, he didn’t win the Cy Young. He came in 2nd. Why? Writers were on record saying 14 wins was just too low. He finished 2nd to a 20 win RA Dickey. Everyone wanted to give it to Kershaw (also lead the league in WHIP and ERA+ and HR/9). He was the best pitcher. Dickey had the wins. If Kershaw had 18 wins instead of 14, and those extra 4 came versus bottom dwellers, would writers really say “oh, but he didn’t beat the best competition?” No.

    And while some people do take note of that in amateur sports where that gap is larger, they still are so biased towards wins that they are willing to overlook it. It’s a psychological thing. Seeing a big number in the W column biases everyone. This happens in every sport.

    Take advantage of it; don’t fight it.

    It’s ridiculous to make things harder for yourself. Nobody would ever say that’s logical. The reason technology and societies advance is specifically to make things (e.g. labor) EASIER for ourselves. Animals that live in hot climates go in shade at the peak of the day. The path of least resistance is ingrained and all around us, from college sports to pro sports, from humans to animals, etc. Just open your eyes and stop being a bunch of jugheads.

    WINS. End of story.

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      Good points. But isn’t that what RPI is for? OSU Baseball was left out of the playoffs because of RPI weren’t they? Basketball bubble teams will be left out due to RPI.

      Granted this is not as big of a deal in Football, unless you are from a non-P5 conference.

      A 1 loss Boise State would not get in over a 2 loss P5. They’d need ot beat someone signficant in the OOC.

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        The only place strength of schedule comes into play is when the committee is looking at teams to make the 4 team playoff. If the Beavs find themselves trending toward becoming a playoff team in 5 years, then having some tough out of conference games could benefit them. But we’re talking about the Beavers in the playoffs. That’s not the current short term goal. Current short term goal should be building the program through recruiting, and the best way to get better recruits is to get Ws instead of high profile Ls

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          I thought we were talking about getting the best bowl games possible. If it’s about recruiting, then winning is a relative concept.

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        A 1 loss Boise State would not get in over a 2 loss P5. They’d need ot beat someone signficant in the OOC.

        Yes, Boise State et al have to do that, and that’s precisely my point earlier, that the Beavs don’t have to do this. They’re financially solvent and they are already in a P5. There’s no need. Boise State, Utah State, etc need to do that, but they only schedule one tough game OOC (point being, they’re not out there doing MORE than they have to). Most teams (everyone?) does the minimum, except for OSU for some reason…I can’t think of any other team consistently over-scheduling for a decade straight. PAC in general over-schedules and needs to stop.

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      Then stick to that topic when others stray. Wanting to play or see better product is not something innately machismo or selfish when we are the people who are being asked to purchase said product.

      That’s completely different from the bean counter method to which you are subscribing… but not really. You completely ignore the market for this kind of scheduling were we to have a standardized eight game slate with cupcakes. You need to present the financials and geographical logistics to make your argument whole.

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    I thought part of recruiting had to do with who you played and where you played i.e. telling a kid we have Michigan @ Michigan carries more oomph than having an away game at Boise State.

    If the coaching staff is unable to recruit kids that can compete with the likes of the Michigans, Minnesotas, etc. then replace the coaching staff. You’ll note I said compete.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      If that were the reason players came to play for OSU, shouldnt we have more 4*/5* guys coming here, since we’re currently scheduling that way?

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        I’d say we have Mike Riley and crew to thank for the lack of talent. Sure glad that A-Hole is gone.

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      Test

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    Can someone knowledgeable re: OSU football history sort this out?

    “Grim was at Oregon State from 1963 through 1966. Freshmen were ineligible for varsity competition, so he played three seasons. He was a receiver when Tommy Prothro took the Ducks to the Rose Bowl in 1964, then was a running back as a junior and senior.”

    http://www.startribune.com/oregon-s-football-civil-war-has-turned-one-sided-against-beavers/391884351/

    I did check out the 1964 Rose Bowl and Wikipedia seems to think the Rose Bowl, Bowl Game, (after all, other games are played in the Rose Bowl) was between Illinois and the Huskies. And, I thought Prothro coached the Beavs, but . .

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      He is a good baseball writer, but a hack for college sports. His only delight seems to come from struggles at the U of M. He is a dry drunk and has gotten particularly nasty the last few years.
      He is despised by the vast majority of Gopher fans. If the Goph’s win tomorrow, it will be because
      OSU is awful. If they lose, it will be his dream come true so he can pound them for losing to such a lousy team. He sucks.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Yes it’s fuck up, tommy prothro coached in the 1965 rose bowl for the beavs. It was the 1964 season, the rose bowl is played on new years day…..1965.

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        Aha! Thx. And I take it Tommy Prothro didn’t take the Ducks team there. I think there should be a pool to see how many times announcer(s) refer to Oregon State as the ducks.

        Such as “Tommy Prothro took the Ducks.”

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    This thread is an unneeded distraction from the battle of the incisors.

    http://www.minnesotaalumni.org/s/1118/images/editor/Minnesota/fall12/berg-main_w_nos.jpg

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Rest in peace Beaverblitz
    Been replaced with Beaversedge

    Does anybody know what a Beaver sedge is?

    • Ryan says:
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      What happened??

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Aww…looks like Beaverblitz moved over to Scout. So all of those Rivals/Beaverblitz subscribers got left high and dry, and now scout is trying to recruit them over Scout/Beaverblitz.

      Might want to rethink signing on for that annual subscription…

    • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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      I believe beaver sedge is a castoreum byproduct formulated by the extraction of beaver castor sac secretions in order to create the “natural flavors” listed on most low-quality food products.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Hmm…seems like a name more appropriate for the previous site.
        I received an email from Scout.com/Mama Machado explaining the move and detailing how Scout is the premier subscription service for Pac12 football, and how this was a great move for Blitz. Although, when on Rivals, they used to rag on the scout network.
        Can’t wait for Beaverblitz/247 in a few years. It will be even better than the other two.

        • Blk says:
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          I would advise anyone considering joining/moving over to Scout to think very, very carefully about this move. The subscribers to blitz on Rivals have been completely screwed over by her.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            Are you a rivals subscriber?
            Would be curious to hear the comments going on over there about this whole thing. They really pushed those annual memberships after GA was hired. So anybody who paid up front for a full year must really be kicking themselves now.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Nothing like a tall refreshing glass of freshly squoze beaver juice.

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t understand.

      Machado now works for scout.com?
      Who is running “beavers edge” lol @ that name

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Yeah, I think she owns the “beaverblitz” name, so she took that with her and her entire staff, over to scout.

        My guess about “BeaversEdge” is they were trying to copy the popular “BlazersEdge” site name, except that name only works because it’s a play on the words “Razor’s Edge”

        So Beaversedge means absolutely nothing and sounds terrible. Would be curious to hear from any Rivals subscribers if theyre being offered a refund for having the whole staff jump ship?

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          It doesn’t look like anyone is being offered a refund, just 3 or 4 free months. I thought Beaverblitz was a dumb name too, so beaversedge doesn’t really bother me. I personally am glad she’s moved, that site was terrible, save for the few tidbits of info here and there.

          • angry angry says:
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            If they were honest people and smart businessmen/women, they’d just offer the extension of membership over at scout. So if someone had 9 months left at blitz, they have 9 months left at Scout.
            That’s the proper way to do business, and in fact, maybe extend everyone’s membership a free 3 months for the hassle of moving to a new site. Machado is very money hungry, though, so this isn’t surprising. She’ll then say “look what I do for all you” when she gets some info that’s available to the world on Twitter.

          • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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            how is that not stealing?

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            Addition by subtraction maybe?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Pretty bad name.

        • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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          ^^^somebody downvoted this?^^^

          Maybe “pretty bad” was being too nice?

      • angry angry says:
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        Who runs beavers edge if everyone is gone?

        • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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          I’ve heard the name but don’t know him

          Brenden Slaughter (worked for KBVR, the Daily Barometer)

          Then there’s also Mike Singer who used to cover other teams and Adam Gorney who is more of a national analyst that stops in on occasion.

          Wondering if they had budget cuts at Rivals? or what caused the big change?

          • angry angry says:
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            Yahoo owns them, and yahoo is absolute garbage…

          • hellobeavers says:
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            Angry already pointed out that Yahoo owns them, but now Verizon owns Yahoo as of a month ago. Yahoo has been getting rid of some non-lucrative business ventures. So perhaps that has something to do with it.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Beaver sedge?

      It sounds like something that needs a trim.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Google says that beavers eat sedge, so…

        It sounds like something that needs to be eaten.

  • Ronix1080 Ronix1080 says:
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    I feel like one aspect of scheduling these top caliber teams that hasn’t been discussed yet is the experience for our players. I’m not talking about does it make us tougher down the road. I’m talking about the experience of that moment that they get to have for the rest of their lives. For anyone on here that has played competitive sports either in high school, college, or professionally I’m sure you know what I’m talking about. Sports attracts competitive individuals. The higher you are able to progress in your given sport the more competitive the individuals around you become. Most D1 athletes don’t think to themselves I’m not good enough to play at tOSU or Bama. As a whole they were the best athletes wherever they came from and believe in their abilities 100%. They welcome the opportunity to show the world they are every bit as good as the players tOSU recruits. Once the game begins they find out quickly whether they measure up or not. However I doubt any past players regret the opportunity/oppotunities they had at “the champ”. Perhaps regret about missed opportunities during the game, but not the game itself.

    • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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      Increase your chances of playing in one of those meaningful games against the big boys in a December/January bowl setting, rather than hurting your bowl chances by playing them in September.

    • beavers4life says:
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      That moment when they lose to a better opponent on the road like Penn State(L), LSU(L), Louisville(L), Cincinnati(L), Michigan(L), Wisconsin(L), BYU(W), TCU(L), BSU(L), UNLV(W), Hawaii(W), Fresno State(L), Temple(W), Fresno State(L), New Mexico St(W), New Mexico(W), Nevada(W)

      Beavs non-con road record from 1998-2015: 7-10 wins against power 5 = 0 wins against non power 5 = 7

      • Jack Jack says:
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        You forgot Boise x2 (L,L), Utah (L), Hawai’i again (L), and Utah St. (W).

        That makes it 0-6 against BCS/P5 teams and 8-8 against non-BCS/P5 teams. And I would say the Big East was a lesser conference to the MWC when we played Cincy and Louisville.

        The only reason that was acceptable was because of 28 years.

  • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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    a buddy told me the old staff that now works for scout is currently in the forums on the rivals site, soliciting their readers to move over to scout now. Funny how in the past, they wouldn’t link a competitor’s site, but now they’re on the rivals forum even linking their new site. such a desperate move….

    • angry angry says:
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      lol. i once was threatened with a ban for posting a link to scout…

      all about the money over there and zero integrity.

    • SkepticalBeav says:
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      I think soliciting is perhaps a bit strong, but basically correct. To the new admins credit, they’ve been gracious about the whole thing.

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    No one wants to admit it but the only reason we schedule these tough games is for the paycheck.

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    Wow, in 1993, we plat AT Wyoming and won 27-16 lol we were that bad that Wyoming couldn’t even come play at Parker Stadium.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Some decent games this weekend for picks:
    1. UCLA @ aTm
    2. Notre Dame @ Texas
    3. USC @ Bama
    4. LSU @ Wiscy
    5. OU @ Houston
    6. OSU @ Minnesota (score)

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      UCLA
      Texas
      USC
      Lsu
      Ou
      OSU 45-24

    • Theboneyard says:
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      Ucla
      ND
      Bama
      Lsu
      OU
      Osu (38-27)

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      UCLA
      ND
      Bama
      LSU
      OU
      OSU (28-24)

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      But, but, but…. if they schedule/play those kind of games it might have a negative impact on their ability to make it to a big play off game.

      What were the ADs & coaches thinking of?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Money money money money… muh-ney!

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Houston is a prime example of scheduling a body bag game years in advance then having the doormat turn good.

        Oh Shit!

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      aTm
      ND
      Bama
      LSU
      Houston
      Beavs 24-21

    • Outcast says:
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      1. UCLA
      2. Notre Dame
      3. Alabama
      4. Wisconsin
      5. Oklahoma
      6. Minnesota (35-20)

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      1. A&M
      2. Dame
      3. Bama
      4. LSU
      5. Houston
      6. Minny (25-11)

  • scotty says:
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    I could have sworn I heard James Dockery say on Talkin’ Beavers last night that Riley did “less with more.” I want to believe that was a Freudian Slip so badly.

    I remember also hearing Nigel Burton say something once about how toughness was definitely not emphasized in the Riley regime, or something to that nature. I had to run it back on my DVR because I was having an “oh no he didn’t!!” moment.

  • Blk says:
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    Reasons I love Angrybeavs.com:

    Freedom of speech. We are allowed to speak our mind without feeling like a mob/clique is going to attack us.

    It’s not run by Angie Machado.

    My buddy says he’s been given the run around by Rivals about canceling. He said there was not one word on there by Angie to warn anyone. He will not be going over to Scout because he said her content has been terrible for two years and it’s not worth it, and he said she’s lost credibility by this sudden move and screwing people over. She’s money hungry and that’s all that matters.

    • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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      So say someone who signed up at Blitz yesterday for a years subscription now gets 3 months free at Sedge? fuck that. I don’t have a membership there but that is super lame and I hope people contest it on their credit cards. that is pretty much theft/fraud

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Blk just yell your buddy to come over here. Fuck that pay wall in the face.

  • helmsley says:
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    “Recruiting to Corvallis can be a challenge” Thanks Danny Moran.

    http://www.startribune.com/oregon-state-s-deeper-rebuild-process-comes-to-minnesota/391869671/

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    So now beavergopher is a radio personality, good job.
    But missed an opportunity for a shout out to all AB’s!

  • Numbers says:
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    I haven’t read, did we travel with the school band and cheer team? Or did we cheap out?

    Also, since I haven’t read yet, was there the predictable fluff piece about how the Beavs traveled a day early and did a walk through and blah blah blah predictable crap

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    So a lot of predictions for the Beavs to win a week ago has now changed to a idiotic scheduling move and a likely loss to a football powerhouse?

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Teaching the incoming freshman the school cheers last evening @TCF stadium. Cool pic.
    https://twitter.com/GopherHole/status/771175563998351360/photo/1

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