09.Oct.2016 GA’s First Pac Win

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What a difference a week can make. Last week some where questioning the GA hire, and now they have their first conference win and some momentum.

The big takeaway, for me, is that now the players will believe what GA is saying. What coaches talk and results aren’t there, it becomes hard to care/easy to tune out the coach. Now he’ll get their ear because he can show the players results. Players will likely believe in themselves much more after this one, knowing they can compete with Pac athletes. It’s big for the psychological aspect and moral of players, fans, and GA. Just good stuff all around, and now we’ll see how it translates. They’re so thin it will be hard to keep momentum.

Obviously this was a big win in terms of recruiting, too, with some key guys visiting.

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  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    Some morning after thoughts:
    – like Angry said, this is a Morale Victory
    – there were some pretty devastating hits by the Beavs last night. Chappel on the near-targeting call. The guy on KO coverage who blue up the returner after the muff. Seth crushing the would-be tackler on the Ryan Nall 80 yarder.
    – downfield passing has obvious issues but at least the throws are where nobody can get them and Garretson isn’t leading his receivers into the hospital.
    – proud of the turnaround of Victor Bolden. He seems to be a leader who works hard and does whatever he can. I won’t mock him anymore especially given that we are having problems getting him the ball past the line of scrimmage.
    – I think the secondary is pretty good. They would be much better with somebody getting to the QB every once in a while. Treston may have earned himself a shot to play on Sundays.
    – Ryan Nall was a classmate of my son’s at Central Catholic. Ryan’s a good kid and I’m very happy for him. I hope the injury stuff doesn’t linger but foot injuries can be chronic.
    – [edit] I should add that the return of Harlow to the OL can’t be overestimated.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      DeCoud has played like a top ten draft pick all year.

      Nall’s ankle was tweaked after a tackle while he was lying on the ground. The defender who had his leg torqued it sideways while the pile was dispersing, and Nall tried to kick him as it happened. I thought the facemask flag was for the attempted kick at first.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        “I thought the facemask flag was for the attempted kick at first.”

        That’s what I thought. Often the player that responds to the cheap shot gets caught.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Yep I saw the kick too. You know what they say, if you can’t beat em, injure em at the bottom of the pile. Or chop block em.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            “Fight On!”

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Fuck Max Tuerk, that dirty cheap-shit. And fuck the coaches who taught him that maiming opponents is a part of anything called football.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Speaking of… our skill players need to be aware that being out of bounds doesn’t mean Utah defenders won’t hit you… or that the refs will call all of those “hits” properly. They need to get down and let those defenders plow the bench.

            Did anyone see Rob Akey get that treatment yesterday? What’s funny is that his son was at Reser on Saturday.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            And us acting like a Chris Petersen Boise team on kick-offs isn’t cool either.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Good night for recruiting in that we won, but our offense certainly didn’t showcase our receivers last night, of which we had 3 official visitors. Still, a win always looks better than a loss.

    They’ve been trying to sell Jamire Calvin on that Victor Boldin/Brandin Cooks role in the offense, which he does seem interested in, so hopefully he likes what he saw last night.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      I wonder how it is Andersen et al are able to attract pretty well rated WRs when the passing game is performing so poorly and there’s no sure QB on the roster.

      BUT, once these kids spend some time together, I’m sure they feel like they can may a difference.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        ‘Obviously if we had a wr with your talent we would be able to throw all over the field. Think of the playing time, you wouldn’t even need to red shirt. Have you met Moran yet?’

    • wannabeav says:
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      having Brandon Cooks in the stadium didn’t hurt recruiting either

  • BeaverBill^ BeaverBill^ says:
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    The icing on the cake is a good win like this should help recruiting efforts. In the words of Donald Trump, “that is Uuge!’

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Agree, building, maintaining, affirming trust between and among players and coaches was likely the biggest benefit of the win. GA has also said the right things about his players before and after this win. He’d give a game ball to “Every damn one of them! All 122 players!”

    They can see progress now. The special teams has played well, now the OLine. As Marcdog said, with a pass rush, these CBs would likely be enjoying some picks….put that together, get some more confidence, more possessions…

    It looks like the players are enjoying the fight, and that’s important when they’re not always going to win.

    On a tangent, Andersen sure looks like a “tougher” coach than Helfrich. Andersen’s been here before, Helfrich has not as he’s been riding Kelly’s coattails. Maybe somebody will take a flyer and give Helfrich a head coaching job offer after Oregon, but I see him more as an OC type somewhere. And Hoke? He’s not doing himself any favors. He’ll need to stick around long enough to turn the D around in order to springboard to another job, and he may not get that done.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Fantastic win last night, very fun, even some tense moments.

    I wish we could play the last ranked defense every week! Cal’s D is not very good. But the OL looked much much better, having Brandel and Harlow and Andrews all healthy is a key. Pierce looked good at times, but would like to see him hit the line of scrimmage with a purpose.

    Nall’s Xrays came back negative, phew. But this is something that will nag him all season, so it will depend on how well that week’s treatment goes and/or sharp he can stay with limited practice.

    Garretson ran the ball well and took good decisions on when to tuck and go, that versitlty in the run game is valuable.

    Robinette was amazing last night. I didn’t understand all the lineup changes and the running off and on was nerve racking. However, when he was in there he was making plays. His 6-7 frame allows him to cover a lot of ground.

    The D really shut down Cal’s “Bear Raid” passing, they gave them the run and got burned a little bit but we did eleminate their strength.

    The crowd was sparse in areas, but very loud. They are giving students tickets to fill in the east endzone, but most of them leave at halftime. They need to stay for the whole game.

    Garretson is sharp on the short and mid level passes. His long balls have no touch, not accurate, and no threat. Need to be able to connect somehow downfield. Was surprised we didn’t see more Collins in the “slash” role. But he had some good downfield blocking. He had a crucial drop in the 4th.

    The defense ended up wearing down in the fourth, and gave up 5-5 fourth down conversions, usually on runs up the middle. I know that is what we were giving them, but after the first couple of times we were yelling watch the middle run!

    There were a few strange calls on offense where it looked like we tried to pass and it failed and stop the clock. I thought game management could have been better.

    Utah will have a better defense then Cal, so I don’t expect the same running numbers. However, their offense is not as prolific. I think it will be a close game. It feels like Utah is our rival. THis will be a huge week.

    • pinger says:
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      Good to hear about Nall’s xray being negative. I believe I saw Shemeer Smith go down with a leg injury last night. Red shirt came off like Robinett if I understand correctly. Have’nt heard any info on injuries to Williams, Smith or Moore. Beaverkman, where did you get this information about Nall?

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        beavers postgame show last night, interviewed Nall in the lockerroom

        • pinger says:
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          OK, thanks.

        • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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          No broken bones, but this is something that probably won’t go away until the offseason. He wasn’t right vs Boise or Col and you can just tell. He looks like a different back when he is close 100%. Some weeks might be better than others.

      • pinger says:
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        From Gina’s piece on O-live:
        “10. Some injury notes: If you missed it, Nall said he tweaked his foot again but is hopeful he’ll play next week. Starting defensive back Dwayne Williams, meanwhile, appeared to re-injure his hamstring and was on crutches on the sideline. That shifted Devin Chappell back to nickelback and Kendall Hill into a safety spot. Freshman linebacker Shemar Smith also left the game with a knee injury and did not return.”

    • wannabeav says:
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      Utah was shaping up a rival game for OSU even before GA became coach but his Utah roots will only accentuate it. Not that it will ever happen, but if the Pac 12 went to a designated rival from the other division like the SEC does it we’d take Utah. If I were to create a rivalry intensity scale for OSU from top to bottom it would look like this: UO; UW; WSU; Utah, Cal, Stanford, ASU, Zona, SC, UCLA, Colorado.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    angry nailed it, a sports psychologist couldn’t have scripted a better prescription for this program.
    The difference between the Beavs locker room and the one to the south couldn’t be more stark.

    Nall’s injury is such a big factor, I don’t see him returning to form in just one week. Hope he isn’t brought back to soon.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Re Nail’s injury: Probably only dreaming but it would be nice if they could sit him for the Utah game. Is Tim Cook a possible substitute? I can remember someone posting a message earlier thid year saying something to the effect …… who’s number 20? He’s the only RB that was running like a man….

      So, again just dreaming, but wouldn’t it be nice if the OL and the other RBs could perform well enough that Nall could sit one out.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Great win, even though it gave me heartburn.

    By the way I had to listen via Cals radio announcers because I’m in the middle of nowhere this weekend and apperantly beaver radio network doesn’t extend to south central oregon but cals does. I now have an appreciation for Mike Parker, the announcers made him sound like Walter Cronkite.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Alex Forsythe was supposed to be in Eugene last night; if direct contact isn’t legal, what’s the best way to reach out?

    Someone here is a neighbor; cost/benefit of a call seems favorable.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT and piling on…but I think this bye week serves UO poorly..lots of time for criticism to mount, lots of time for players to call each other out, press calling on the AD to say something, etc. What would have been nice is to get away for a road victory. Damn the luck anyway…

    And they could lose to Cal when they return from the bye…which would be doubly sweet given Cal’s recent loss to OSU.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Agree on the bye week.
      Does “Helf” chew gum? He seems so Riley-like.

      Here is some of what Austin Meek wrote in the RedGuard paper, could apply equally to MR:He’s not a screamer, which is an admirable quality most of the time…Where’s the outrage? Where’s the emotion? Where’s the fire?…What once came across as steady-handed leadership is starting to seem disconnected, as if he doesn’t grasp the gravity (the) situation or the depths of fans’ displeasure.

      One difference though, between Mike and Mark: their next step. As they say, “there’s no place like Nebraska”!

  • Burritodam says:
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    Haven’t seen Lavaka’s troll recently. Suppose he held his own filling in for lauina.

  • Burritodam says:
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    Maybe the team should have a players-only meeting every Sunday.

    I liked how GA massaged his message last week; I think the players really responded to that. The results give me hope of competitive games (wins, touch wood) provided few injuries and opposing run defenses on the softer side. That said, Utahs run defense stats don’t look as tough as last years, but teams still aren’t running much against them. Whiskey is onto something there.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      The team needs a credible pass game. DG showed better decisions but a noodle arm. Don’t remember his film showing such poor throws. Is he injured, still? At least he showed good wheels but with his head first runs we better hope Blount is getting plenty of reps.

      • youngorst says:
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        Mentioned in the other thread but if you put in some option passes you can make it much easier on DG. Get him moving towards the line and you can just flip the ball downfield, requires less touch and accuracy.

        And best of all, it builds off what this offense does well.

        Having him throwing the ball downfield from the pocket is a wasted down, that has become obvious.

        • wannabeav says:
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          especially those “fade” throws into the endzone. not a chance. Need to drop that from the playbook

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        Have we seen a screen pass since Minny?

        he threw one or two deep balls that were closer to completions, one Seth couldn’t come down with as the defender was right there, and a second that lead bolden a step out of bounds. It was closer, but it looks like they can’t throw anything in the red zone. So I was thinking a screen of some sort might work.

  • Corliss says:
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    How good will our oline be next year without Andrews and Harlow and Stanton? Did Stanton play last night?

    Will it be Brandel, Lauina, Demogeratas, Lavaka, T Moore, ….?

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      They had Stanton at RG.

      Also Wilson was talking up having freshman Lavaka playing LG and what that gave the Beavs for having a power running game to the left.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Burned red shirts: Besides Robinett does anyone know the names of the kids who’ve had their red shirts burned?

    Speaking of Robinett: The roster has him as an outside linebacker but there were times where it looked to me like he was lining up as a DE. I thought he had a great game and can really help the team the rest of this season.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      He’s lining up as the 5 tech in a 3-4 D.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Dude played great. Well worth taking that red shirt off. I’ve mentioned before I’ve met that kid, he’s huge, hard to imagine someone that big moving as well as he does on the field.

    • pinger says:
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      Pretty sure I saw Shemeer Smith get injured. I had several handfuls of wobble pops in me at the time, so I could be wrong. If my memory is correct, you can add Smith to the list.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    If any of the paid scribes who visit here are smart they’ll be watching for uncle Phil to slip goodies to wavering recruits. Gotta protect the investment.

    • Mammothboner6969 says:
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      Oregon also has the top of the line paper shredders

  • Mammothboner6969 says:
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    • BeaverQB BeaverQB says:
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      Sweet piece of video put together by OSU’s Athletic Dept. This is the kind of thing they’ll be e-mailing and sending to recruits to sell them on GA’s vision.

      I expected it to be hokey, but it kinda gave me chills. Hopefully it’ll get some more players in the door for next year.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      There were highlights from the game?!? : )

      Seriously, they could have used some more footage…thinking of some of the passes defensed…Moore’s hit on the KO return that left him (likely) concussed…maybe they just didn’t have good footage.

      • Doozeldorf says:
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        Agreed, there are quite a few good highlights missing, but overall, not a bad video. It did kind of give me chills also. I think it would have been a little better without Parker’s voice in there, but probably better than the PAC12 announcers. Still, I’m not embarrassed to have them send this to recruits, so that’s encouraging 🙂

    • PdXBeav says:
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      I screwed up and accident,y hit the down vote, my bad

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Eggers up with a few good quotes from players, but missed a Caleb Saulo remark on the radio where he said that Corvallis hasn’t yet seen the best play of this team.

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/326603-206260-party-time-beavers-have-pac-12-win-to-celebrate

  • 03beav says:
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    Lane Kiffen to U of O.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Helfrich has something like a $11M buyout. Even with daddy warbucks backing them, it will be a tough pill for them to swallow to buyout Helfrich and then overpay a Kiffin or Herman to take over. Think they stick it out with Helf a little longer, or he volunteers to step away for a smaller buyout

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Wow, if he negotiated and received a buyout like that I’m more impressed with him than I otherwise have been.

        Think he leaves for $4M and a lifetime gift certificate to the Nike store in Portland?

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          $11m is the amount for that Gofundme acct some duck fan set up last week. They’ve already got $300. Only about $11m more to go!

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            “They’ve already got $300.”

            So all the faithful from Springfield contributed….3 trailers to each wireless router…

      • PDXBeav says:
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        Helf’s buyout is 17.5 million

        • angry angry says:
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          Yikes.
          They’re just as stuck as we were with Riley.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          The 17.5 million was the amount of the extension he signed after they got bent over by tOSU

    • angry angry says:
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      Says who?
      That would be awesome. They’d be in the basement his tenure then require a 5 year rebuild.

    • angry angry says:
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      I really don’t think Oregon’s problem is a coaching issue.

      It’s talent evaluation and inspiring the players. Chip was great at both. Oregon has no QB as well. But it’s funny they’re all ganging up on Helf. Go ahead and fire him and hire Kiffen. I mean that would be awesome because Kiffen is a much worse coach and it would be a panic mode move that messes up that program for a while. I hope it happens, tbh.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        “It’s talent evaluation and inspiring the players.”

        That’s part of coaching in NCAA football. Chip was great at both. Helfrich is maybe not so good at either.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          I think what Chip and Aliotti were great at was identifying talent that would work in their specific schemes. After they left and hole was established as a program they brought in a lot of higher rated talent but it seems like more and more of it didn’t seem to work out like the earlier lower rated guys did.

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            I’ll agree with the talent evaluation part. But Aliotti’s sceme sucked eggs. It was Chip’s O that made him at all relevant. His D wasn’t even as good as the players on each D.

            But this is a guy who parlayed his positional coaching gig under Avezzano into a coordinator position… on offense.

            And I fully believe the Peter Principle is a real thing.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Coach Andersen Post game Press Conference: Cal 10-8-16

  • OrangeFlush OrangeFlush says:
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    Things I noticed:
    – it seemed to me we didn’t call as many outside runs as he had been. Obviously because Nall had success up the middle, but I hope this trend continues.
    – Finally saw Lucas play a role and he looked solid carrying the ball.
    – Nall is a stud, hope he can get and stay healthy.
    – Robinette is going to be a force.
    – DG is getting better at the read option, I just wish he could throw the ball.

    Id like to see direct snaps to Collins for a few attempts at deep balls to JV. If its even partly successful it opens up option and give opponents more things to think about.

    Important win for the players and coaches, but its also a big win for the fans. Social media was getting pretty ugly among the fan base. This one hard fought win provides hope and is an affirmation of what I and many others have been saying; just be patient, we’ll get there.

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      Villamin now has a whopping 49 yards receiving for the entire season. A trio of who were arguably the worst QB’s for a Power 5 team were able to get him 660 yards last year. What the hell is going on? JV is going to be needed. I thought Collins was able to throw a nice deep ball to JV last year for some reason, it might be needed again. JV is too talented to languish like this. The Beavs are not running for almost 500 yards against any other P-12 defense except maybe Oregon’s. Every weapon has to be maximized.

      • Doozeldorf says:
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        Yeah, this is a glaring issue with our offense. I just don’t see Garretson being accurate downfield any time soon. So the offense needs to use JV in some other way. He is too good of an athlete to be so under utlized. It might be tough to get him comfortable going across the middle after he got lit up last year. I’m not sure what the answer is.

        • mckalk says:
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          Villamin was a Riley recruit and the type of receiver who can run that deep in pattern, but you have to have great pass protection and a strong armed QB to do that. Current team does not have that, so they are trying go routes with JV and the throws aren’t close and it seems like JV is not separating as well as last season. I don’t know the answer either, but he’s wasting away currently.

        • OrangeFlush OrangeFlush says:
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          I agree, I just don’t see DG having either the accuracy or the arm strength to throw an accurate deep ball, and while I don’t think re-litigating Collins passing ability is a worthwhile discussion, I do recall him throwing a couple nice deep balls last year. I think its a real shame that JV isn’t getting touches. Collins to JV would be in the trick play category, but I do think even if it has marginal success, its one more thing defenses would need to respect if they just put it in the rotation.

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            My thought is that if they are going to continue to run Wildcat now and then, they can sure as hell put a deep pass play into the package as long as Collins is smart about the risk/reward.

  • Bill says:
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    Some observations from Saturday,

    A good win because they went run heavy and played to the offense’s strength. Defense played well enough but lots of work to do if they want more than 1 win.

    1. The running game has figured out its MO. Nall/Pierce between the tackles and Lucas/Bolden to stretch the edges.
    2. The team isn’t built to play from behind. Many of Garretson’s passes were low. The first interception was just a terrible throw. Second was low and a factor in why it turned into a pick 6.
    3. Defensive line needed to get more pressure. Cal’s hurry up really tired them out and it showed in the 4th. Also, more than a few substitution issues.
    4. Odd stat of the night – Cal went 5 for 5 on 4th down.

    A win is a win but the defense won’t be winning any games this year.

    Game plan will need to be adjusted for next week. Teams will start stacking the box and will likely spy Garretson. Three games in a row with less than 100 yards. Hard to respect a QB with those stat lines. Still should go run heavy but will need to hit a few long passes to keep the defense honest.

    Defense will need to be physical. Teams will run on them since Cal showed they are weak in the middle. Utah will be much more physical at the line than Cal.

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      Perhaps instead of going for 25 yd plus throws we should call some 10 – 20 yard throws for Garretson. That seems to be the limit of his accuracy….

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        It would be nice, but I think those routes take a long time to develop and you have to have great pass protection and a rocket armed QB to get the ball over the LB and in front of the safety consistently.. Fly patterns/go routes are easier to run. I agree though, you need a mid-range passing game to be successful in the P-12.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Was that the first time they won in the all orange unis? Silly question I know. But I remember when they wore those (first time?) against USC, and USC was mocking “Crank it like a chainsaw’ and having a grand ol’ time on the visitor’s sidelines.

    • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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      Yep. Have never won in the orange helmets either.

  • Jim says:
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    Exciting win. Really happy for Andersen, he looked so relieved. Hope they don’t lose the spirit, because I don’t see many if any wins until the Ducks. Maybe Utah, who is extremely injured. But they are built to stop the run. Perhaps Arizona.

  • Spiny Norman Spiny Norman says:
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    Reliving my favorite TV call of the night…

    https://twitter.com/BeaverFootball/status/784960897982664704

    “He is possessed!… He is STILL possessed.”

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      That was the play of the game, IMO. Not sure how that flew under the radar in the highlight/recap videos…maybe just because it wasn’t a TD??

      • Jack Jack says:
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        The play was in the reel. They don’t have the rights to the TV audio.

        I like the strings.

  • angry angry says:
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    Our Country is so screwed, btw.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Says millions of people every four years..

      • scotty says:
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        …as things steadily decline…

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Precisely!

          Things… steadily declining!

          Damn things!

          We need to build a wall on the International Date Line. And what’s this zig zag thing it does? It’s in the worst condition it’s ever been, and it’s going to hell… that’s right… it’s going to hell.

          Yeah… that’s the ticket. It’s bad out there, see? Yeah. And they’re gonna make fourth graders wear their underwear on their heads. Yeah… because their feet are already wearing shoes… yeah… that’s the ticket.

    • helmsley says:
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      I’m delighted to report I haven’t watched even one second of the so-called debates.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        If you read the transcripts, it’s like flipping back and forth between bland, rote politispeak and the O-live comment section on their sports blog… if the comment section was angrily contentious about how Taylor Swift was destroying the once rich cultural fabric of The Manson family.

      • angry angry says:
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        I missed the 1st one and the first half hour of the 2nd one. All I can say is you’re lucky, and we’re screwed.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Just scan the transcripts. Watching them is your own fault.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            In fact, the only parts I’ve watched are the third party “debates” where they cherry pick relevant material and form a decent debate with candidates who are a little loopy. But at least they’re honest.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            Yeah, but this go around, loopy and honest trumps the two party dog and pony show (no pun intended).

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I agree. But it’s not the pony’s fault. She’s just being the pony… getting her mane brushed… taking pictures with children… relying on the stable hands to clean up her oopsies.

            The dog is blindingly stupid… barks constantly… eats kitty rocha and spits it up on your bed… and shits all over the house… and somehow thinks the jingling of the car keys means he’s leaving the house for some fun destination.

            What kind of show is that?

            Needless to say, I won’t be voting for either. And I disagree with anyone who thinks my vote is a protest in some way. It’s my vote, nothing more. Don’t throw false equivalency insults at me. I know the difference between -50 and -googol. I have never and will never vote for values that low… not even in protest against -googol.

  • Doozeldorf says:
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    It really is interesting how Duck fans and Beaver fans have polar opposite perspectives. The Ducks lose 4 in a row and the fans want a new coach mid season and the sky is falling. The Beavers win their first conference game after losing 10 straight and we now have hope for the future and we’re 100% behind our coach. I’m just glad I’m on this side. Losing for a long time may suck, but it sure makes you appreciate the wins a lot more than the silver platter Duck fans.

    • Outcast says:
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      We show signs of trending in the right direction now. Oregon most definitely does not.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        The turds are certainly circling the bowl after someone hit the flush lever. With apologies to Whiskey’s old man who graduated from UO over 40 years ago, couldn’t have happened to a more douchey, bandwagon fan base. PK was prolly soiling his depends as the leg humpers dropped a 70 burger on them Saturday

  • angry angry says:
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    What happened to Jay Irvine. He’s out for the year?

  • Bill says:
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    Connor Hamlett somehow making it in the NFL caught a TD pass yesterday.

    • Numbers says:
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      All these former Bewvs making it in the Nfl really shows how poor the former regime was at ustilizing it’s players strengths.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I agree to a point. But we have to admit that Riley’s system is NFL friendly and gets a foot in the door. Yes, there needs to be some talent there to make it in the league. And yes, Riley continuously ignored a lot of that talent’s upside by hamstringing them with Banker on D or favoring the pass on O. But if the talent is there, His system will give that talent a head start for the next level compared to the more wide open systems.

        Remmers is an anomaly. Remember I mentioned the Peter Principle earlier?

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    nother prediction:

    Ryan Nall will be Pac-12 offensive player of the week………….

    Shared with UW’s Jake Browning

    • Jack Jack says:
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      That sounds about right… with DeCoud being the DPOW. and Zane Gomzalez as STPOW.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Nope. I guess 8 TD’s against a shit defense is POY worthy. Almost 20 yards per carry against a shit defense is not.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I can deal with the O decision. It’s the Ball decision for D that really bothers me. He was playing against a hobbled UCLA O. DeCoud was taking on the nation’s leading pass/catch tandem… and still had better numbers.

  • angry angry says:
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    Oregonian ranks the Ducks last in the conference. I think they’re throwing a bit of a hissy fit over there hoping Phil will open his wallet and bail them out.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pac-12/index.ssf/2016/10/pac-12_power_rankings_oregon_ducks_bottom_out_whil.html#incart_river_index

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Yeah, I think OLive is overreacting, and part of that may be just trying to get readers and to get them to respond…if they have other, bigger goals, wouldn’t surprise me…

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Looks like bad QB recruiting/development at Stanford too. Their last QB was as vanilla as he could possibly be, and this new guy is apparently even worse.

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        We should be at #9 for the same reason I agree with USC at #4 over CU.

        But Utah should be ahead of Wazzu.

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    OT – looking forward to seeing Derek Anderson tonight. He’s running out of auditions to start somewhere in the twilight of his career. I’ve got to think he’s better than some of the garbage starting on Sundays elsewhere. I know he played poorly in his last starting role in AZ, but he’s hung on as the #1 backup for a reason I’d think.

    • wannabeav says:
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      from the looks of it, Matt Moore might be starting in Miami soon.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I continue to think Moore could be an effective starter in the NFL. I thought he’d do well in a place like Denver or maybe even with LA Rams.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Keenum’s not the answer in LA. But if they can hold on for a season and get some O-line help, Mannion might be. I would even give him a scripted series in some games just to put the fear of large armored men in him… and let him get used to that.

    • Bill says:
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      He’s played very well as the back up in Carolina.

      In limited time he’s 2-0 as the starter.
      69.5% completion rate.
      7 TDs vs 2 INTs.

      He can collect a couple million a year for the next 5 years.

    • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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      Quizz is starting tonight for the Bucs. Go Beavs!

    • Jack Jack says:
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      DA is a perfect fit where he is. He’s great in the clubhouse and is good enough to step in for a couple games here and there and be effective, if not lights out at times. He’s a necessary component in a system that allows its #1 QB to run.

  • angry angry says:
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    DA and I got into an argument on facebook about Riley a few years ago. He was a real meathead about it and just spouted the same BS that Riley was great for the program and called me names. That guy can go F himself.

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      As a Riley apologist, should we assume he won’t be making sideline appearances in Reser anytime soon?

      • Bill says:
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        No, Brandin Cooks was there at the Cal game. He was a Riley guy.

        I think Houshmandzadeh came back recently. He was an Erickson guy.

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          DA like Andersen, he’ll show up at Reser at some point I’m sure.

          And I’d totally expect him to defend Riley, Riley helped turn him into a wealthy pro football player, don’t blame him one bit for that

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Moral of the story: don’t make angry, angry.

          • angry angry says:
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            No, the moral of the story is “don’t be a jerk”. He was a big jerk.

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    ESPN has a write up about what’s behind the fall of the Ducks. It’s on insider so I’ll share some of the quotes. Most quotes come from current or former pac12 coaches.

    Much of it says they don’t have the personnel to run the preferred schemes on offense and defense.

    On the offense the compelling quote is – “It’s strange that quarterbacks aren’t just falling all over themselves to go there.” On why they weren’t able to get a QB after Mariota. The highest rated QB on the roster is the #4 QB. Relying on grad transfers caused a few of their qbs to transfer.

    On the defense, opposing coaches liked the Brady Hoke hire because his scheme is predictable. “Brady Hoke’s defense, they’re going to line up and play quarters coverage and good, sound fundamental football, but you’re going to know exactly where they’re lining up,”.

    At the very least, I think Hoke gets fired after the season.

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    For those eager to start learning a bit about Utah, here’s a salt lake-tribune link for your convenience:

    http://www.sltrib.com/sports/utes/

    Injuries are affecting their significantly affecting their RBs and to a marked extent the OLine:

    “Ahead of its next road game in Corvallis, the Utes are down to their sixth-string running back.

    Facing a health crisis at the position, No. 21 Utah (5-1, 2-1) may start redshirt freshman Marcel Manalo at Oregon State, following a season-ending injury to Armand Shyne and another injury to walk-on Jordan Howard. Freshman Zack Moss, who has over 300 yards on the ground but didn’t dress in the last game, will be a game-time decision, coach Kyle Whittingham said.

    “This is the worst year I can remember,” he said, citing the sheer volume of injuries.

    The injury situation is also unsure at center, where Nick Nowakowski made his first career start but Utah was dogged with 11 false starts — and three more Utah coaches identified afterward, but weren’t flagged at the time. Whittingham said Utah is looking at alternate lineups to “get our best five out there.”

    11 – 14 false starts?!? I think Reser may be rocking after Saturday’s win, a daytime game will be better attended…Utah as an emerging rival….hopefully there will be several false starts to help out the D.

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      But please, no chainsaw. When I hear it, all I can think about is the accurate comment on here sometime ago that the chainsaw sounds like a cow with a serious problem of some sort…

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      Even with all those injuries, they still beat AZ soundly. Utah is a good team.

      Cal has 900 rushing yards on the season, they got 300 of those in the game vs the Beavs. So a 6th string running back will still get some yards against this defense. Also Utah’s QB ran for 73 yards last week. Defense will need to account for him. Watched him against USC, he’s got tremendous poise.

      It’ll be a lower scoring game but the Beavs still can’t fall behind. I think first to 28 points will win the game.

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        The optimist in me thinks that the reason the Beavs did so poorly against the run is that they worked and schemed so hard to defend the pass… which they did an admirable job of given the offense they were up against. I think that loading up the box a little more against Utah (maybe keeping more than the MLB inside the tackles!) they will have more success.

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      11-14 false starts? Remmers could do that in a half.

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    Husky game time set for 3:30 pm

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    It was Cal. Don’t get carried away.

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    GAME GRADE RANKINGS WEEK 7
    Conference – Conference Grade Average
    [DIVISION] – Division Average (Division Avg. Ranking)
    Tot Rank. Team. Grade. Projected Record

    ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE – 90.09
    [ATLANTIC DIVISION] – 93.16 (#2)
    1. Louisville Cardinals 115.7 11-1
    5. Clemson Tigers 105.7 12-0
    9. Florida State Seminoles 99.1 9-3
    27. NC State Wolfpack 91.8 6-6
    71. Boston College Eagles 80.5 5-7
    73. Wake Forest Demon Deacons 79.8 8-4
    75. Syracuse Orange 79.5 2-10
    [COASTAL DIVISION] – 87.01 (#6)
    6. Virginia Tech Hokies 99.9 10-2
    14. Miami FL Hurricanes 96.8 11-1
    43. North Carolina Tar Heels 87.5 9-3
    52. Pittsburgh Panthers 84.8 7-5
    58. Duke Blue Devils 83.8 3-9
    62. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 82.7 6-6
    99. Virginia Cavaliers 73.6 2-10

    SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE – 89.23
    [WEST DIVISION] – 94.21 (#1)
    4. Alabama Crimson Tide 108.5 12-0
    8. Auburn Tigers 99.8 8-4
    13. Texas A&M Aggies 96.9 11-1
    17. LSU Tigers 95.4 7-4
    24. Mississippi Rebels 93.2 8-4
    49. Arkansas Razorbacks 85.2 6-6
    70. Mississippi State Bulldogs 80.5 4-8
    [EAST DIVISION] – 84.24 (#7)
    19. Florida Gators 94.6 8-3
    25. Tennessee Volunteers 93.0 10-2
    35. Missouri Tigers 89.0 7-5
    55. Georgia Bulldogs 84.2 8-4
    83. South Carolina Gamecocks 77.3 4-8
    85. Vanderbilt Commodores 76.0 3-9
    88. Kentucky Wildcats 75.6 4-8

    PACIFIC-12 CONFERENCE – 88.63
    [SOUTH DIVISION] – 89.95 (#4)
    7. Colorado Buffaloes 99.8 9-3
    23. UCLA Bruins 93.2 7-5
    28. USC Trojans 91.7 7-5
    37. Utah Utes 88.9 7-5
    51. Arizona Wildcats 85.1 3-9
    69. Arizona State Sun Devils 81.0 7-5
    [NORTH DIVISION] – 87.32 (#5)
    16. Washington Huskies 96.0 12-0
    20. Washington State Cougars 94.6 8-4
    38. Stanford Cardinal 88.4 10-2
    44. California Golden Bears 87.3 4-8
    61. Oregon Ducks 83.1 4-8
    93. Oregon State Beavers 74.5 2-10

    BIG 12 CONFERENCE – 87.65
    12. Oklahoma Sooners 97.4 10-2
    18. Baylor Bears 95.0 11-1
    26. Texas Tech Red Raiders 91.9 6-6
    32. Kansas State Wildcats 89.8 7-5
    33. TCU Horned Frogs 89.8 8-4
    39. West Virginia Mountaineers 88.3 6-6
    41. Oklahoma State Cowboys 87.8 7-5
    42. Texas Longhorns 87.6 6-6
    81. Iowa State Cyclones 77.8 2-10
    103. Kansas Jayhawks 71.1 1-11

    BIG TEN CONFERENCE – 86.37
    [EAST DIVISION] – 90.41 (#3)
    2. Michigan Wolverines 112.8 11-1
    3. Ohio State Buckeyes 112.7 12-0
    45. Indiana Hoosiers 86.9 5-7
    47. Penn State Nittany Lions 85.9 8-4
    54. Maryland Terrapins 84.5 8-4
    65. Michigan State Spartans 82.1 5-7
    113. Rutgers Scarlet Knights 68.0 2-10
    [WEST DIVISION] – 82.33 (#10)
    11. Wisconsin Badgers 98.1 10-2
    30. Nebraska Cornhuskers 90.2 10-2
    68. Iowa Hawkeyes 81.5 7-5
    72. Northwestern Wildcats 79.8 5-7
    77. Minnesota Golden Gophers 79.3 7-5
    80. Illinois Fighting Illini 77.8 2-10
    106. Purdue Boilermakers 69.6 3-9

    FBS INDEPENDENTS – 82.70
    29. BYU Cougars 91.6 8-4
    40. Army West Point Black Knights 88.0 7-5
    53. Notre Dame Fighting Irish 84.5 4-8
    115. Massachusetts Minutemen 66.7 2-10

    AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE – 82.58
    [EAST DIVISION] – 82.65 (#8)
    31. USF Bulls 90.0 11-1
    34. UCF Knights 89.3 8-4
    50. East Carolina Pirates 85.2 4-8
    66. Temple Owls 82.0 7-5
    89. Cincinnati Bearcats 75.3 4-8
    97. Connecticut Huskies 74.1 4-8
    [WEST DIVISION] – 82.50 (#9)
    10. Houston Cougars 98.8 7-5
    46. Memphis Tigers 86.1 9-3
    63. Tulsa Golden Hurricane 82.5 7-5
    76. Navy Midshipmen 79.5 7-5
    94. Tulane Green Wave 74.3 4-8
    98. SMU Mustangs 73.8 2-10

    MOUNTAIN WEST CONFERENCE – 75.78
    [MOUNTAIN DIVISION] – 79.97 (#12)
    22. Boise State Broncos 93.4 12-0
    64. Air Force Falcons 82.3 10-2
    79. Utah State Aggies 78.7 6-6
    86. Colorado State Rams 75.6 4-8
    90. New Mexico Lobos 75.1 7-5
    91. Wyoming Cowboys 74.7 5-7
    [WEST DIVISION] – 71.60 (#15)
    59. San Diego State Aztecs 83.6 11-1
    100. Hawai’i Warriors 73.5 4-9
    102. UNLV Rebels 71.7 7-5
    111. Fresno State Bulldogs 68.2 3-9
    114. San José Spartans 67.7 1-11
    120. Nevada Wolf Pack 64.9 4-8

    MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE – 74.79
    [WEST DIVISION] – 82.15 (#11)
    15. Toledo Rockets 96.4 10-2
    21. Western Michigan Broncos 93.4 12-0
    78. Central Michigan Chippewas 79.0 9-3
    87. Ball State Cardinals 75.6 6-6
    95. Eastern Michigan Eagles 74.3 5-7
    96. Northern Illinois Huskies 74.2 5-7
    [EAST DIVISION] – 67.43 (#16)
    84. Ohio Bobcats 76.0 7-5
    101. Akron Zips 72.8 8-4
    108. Miami OH Redhawks 69.4 2-10
    110. Kent State Golden Flashes 68.5 4-8
    126. Bowling Green Falcons 61.0 1-11
    128. Buffalo Bulls 56.9 2-10

    SUN BELT CONFERENCE – 71.85
    36. Troy Trojans 89.0 10-2
    60. Appalachian State Mountaineers 83.3 8-4
    74. Georgia Southern Eagles 79.7 8-4
    92. South Alabama Jaguars 74.7 8-4
    104. Arkansas State Red Wolves 70.6 6-6
    107. UL Lafayette Ragin’ Cajuns 69.6 4-8
    112. Georgia State Panthers 68.2 4-8
    116. ULM Warhawks 66.0 3-9
    119. New Mexico State Aggies 65.1 3-9
    121. Idaho Vandals 64.0 4-8
    127. Texas State Bobcats 60.2 3-9

    CONFERENCE USA – 71.81
    [EAST DIVISION] – 71.83 (#13)
    55. Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders 84.1 10-2
    67. WKU Hilltoppers 82.0 8-4
    82. Old Dominion Monarchs 77.4 7-5
    109. Marshall Thundering Herd 68.6 5-7
    117. FIU Panthers 65.9 2-10
    123. Charlotte 49ers 63.1 3-9
    125. Florida Atlantic Owls 61.7 3-9
    [WEST DIVISION] – 71.78 (#14)
    48. Southern Miss Golden Eagles 85.8 9-3
    56. Louisiana Tech Bulldogs 83.9 8-4
    105. UTSA Roadrunners 69.9 6-6
    118. North Texas Mean Green 65.8 4-8
    122. UTEP Miners 63.3 2-10
    124. Rice Owls 62.0 3-9

  • ace0099 says:
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    Cal are 12th in rush defense
    Utah are 4th

    So be prepared to possibly the team be challenged rushing

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      I’m sure Utah will load the box forcing the Beavs to beat them in the air. What a time to finally get DG and his WR group going. I predict even Seth gets a shot at throwing the deep ball as that will be completely unexpected. (That was really the only pass he was reasonably good at throwing last year.) I’d like to see Nall and Lucas involved in the passing game.

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        I just hope we don’t get that bizarre shit of Nall getting ZERO carries against Utah like last year. At least give it a try a few times.

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          Nall’s a little more established now than he was at that point.

          That decision was a huge gamble based on schemes; we thought we could beat Utah through the air because they commit so much to the LOS on defense. The result was very few straightforward running plays and Nall wasn’t the solid #1 back that he is now, so Storm got all the RB carries instead (Bolden and Mitchell had 20+ carries between them).

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            The game before against Colorado, Nall carried 20 times for 122 yards. If he wasn’t banged up (and he may have been), I’m sticking with my “bizarre shit” theory. The coaches were overthinking things and giving Utah too much respect. Give the bruiser a few carries and see what happens. Also, give your O-Line a vote of confidence!

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    The Defense held Cal to just 120 yds in the first half. They got worn down in the second half, gave up a couple of big runs on 4th down. They were geared to take away the pass and Cal took what the Beavs gave them, the run. So the stats don’t tell the whole story. Having said that Utah will be a threat to be more of a running team, but will be more balanced as well.

    More importantly Utah’s defense is much better than Cal’s, so us running the ball will be much harder, and getting time to throw more difficult. This should be a grinding out game.

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    Quizz is having himself a game on MNF. Special guest stars also include Derek Anderson and Mike Remmers.

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      101 yards on 31 carries, 3.25 per carry, long of 13…5 catches for 28 yards…Its always been too bad Quizz doesn’t have a couple more gears, he’s like an ultra-reliable, hard working 4 speed in a league of 6 speeds. Looks like nobody broke off a long run tonight though.

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        He did get two critical first downs then garner a facemask penalty to end the winning drive.

  • angry angry says:
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    Who’s this guy who just committed?
    http://www.scout.com/player/212398-justin-sattelmaier

    I don’t even see a rivals account for him.

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      He’s a big ass JUCO OT we just offered last week. Something like 6’7″
      I havent looked too closely at him yet

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      Justin Sattelmaier – From the Western Oregon website:
      http://www.wouwolves.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3393&path=football

      PRIOR TO WOU
      2015 graduate of Temecula Valley…Lettered two years in football and three years in wrestling…Named to the All-State Academic Team in wresting…All-League honors in wrestling.

      PERSONAL
      Born in Murrieta, California…Studying biology and secondary education…Hopes to become a biology teacher and a football coach…Son of Marcy Sattelmaier…Has one sibling named Brandon.

      OTHER STUFF
      Nickname: Satts
      Reason I came to WOU: Coaching staff, campus, and opportunity to win
      Favorite opposing field to visit: Eastern Washington
      On road trips items I always bring: Headphones and Pedialyte
      Pregame rituals: Music, getting taped, pregame prayer
      Most embarrassing moment: Getting pinned in nine seconds in first varsity tournament
      Favorite practice drill/exercise: 1 on 1’s
      Hobbies: Going to the beach, hiking, weightlifting, hanging with friends
      Favorite book: Inheritance Series
      Place I would most like to visit: Germany
      Favorite sports teams: Cleveland Cavaliers and San Diego Chargers
      Favorite athlete: J.J. Watt
      Favorite food: Everything
      Favorite TV show: The Walking Dead
      Favorite movie: Step Brothers
      Favorite musician/music group: The Dirty Heads
      Person I admire most: My mom

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        The Devin Chappell pipeline?

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        The All-State in wrestling is intriguing. Those guys are typically really tough and understand leverage better than most other athletes. He’ll get extra bonus points if he doesn’t false-start (we seem to be doing much better in that category than in the past).

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        Looks like a guard at this level, but there are lots of people here with better eyes on this stuff than me. It doesn’t look like he has the foot speed and reaction time for the speed of PAC defenders.

        But I would love to see GA stockpiling some big, mean guards.

        HUDL film here:

        http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/10/justin_sattelmaier_6-foot-7_30.html#incart_2box_recruiting

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          I’m not sure how legal some of his “tackles” were but I like that fact that he seems to be always looking for someone to block. A bit of a nasty streak too.

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Kirk Herbstreit…

    “My top performers from wk 6
    Team
    1-Navy
    2-VT
    3-Wash St
    4-Michigan
    5-FSU
    Player
    1-Kamara
    2-Perine-Westbrook
    3-J.Browning
    4-UM OL
    5-R.Nall”

    NallBall gets some love

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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    Did anyone post Phil Steele’s Cal vs OSU prediction? I missed it, and wanted to know how terrible his prediction was.

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      Starcraft Squall does every week.

      I believe he projected the Beavs Lose by 20+

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    Wind and rain projected for Saturday in Corvallis. Won’t faze Utah since they played USC in a rain storm earlier this year. But could keep the ball game on the ground more than before.

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    Craig Evans, a JC DT who Andersen recruited while at Wisconsin, has Beavs as his leader, may bring a CB with him:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/10/craig_evans_elite_jc_dt_names.html#incart_river_index

    I like that he says Andersen has a plan with JC recruits, and that could be a good way to improve quickly, but then the turnover rate is higher. Still need the 4+ year guys to start building depth.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Before you guys get too excited about this kid, there was a lot of drama with his HS recruitment. He ended up at MSU and according to the Fadgers, he was not the brightest bulb in the pack and had some behavioral issues. It is hard to get a local kid out of Wisconsin, but it seemed to be more of a good riddance reaction when he went with Sparty. Then he got booted out of East Lansing and their reaction seemed well founded. Perhaps he has grown up?
      College football: Now at Arizona Western College, Sun Prairie’s Craig Evans says failed drug test prompted him to leave Michigan State
      Evans said he hopes to play well and do well academically, so he might be considered again by an NCAA Division I program after this season. He said Arkansas (coached by former University of Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema), Arizona, Colorado and USC are among the teams that have expressed interest.

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        We’ll see. Having to answer to Coach K might keep him straight.

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    Matador uni’s? Banker deserved ’em but there was no budget, OTOH uncle phil’s $ would have no problem pulling this off:

    https://athlonsports.com/college-football/its-time-oregon-unveil-spanish-matador-uniforms-honor-woeful-defense

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      Very clever and funny (unless you’re a duck fan).

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      On a side note, rummaging around the Athlon site you’ll find that the Beavs unis are the 8th worst. In the write-up they mention Nike sabotaging the look.

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        Gotta find a better alternative to Nike. Why we are still with them and their horrible designs is beyond me. Only thing I can think of is maybe they offer more than other companies to sabotage us, I dunno.

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          It’s because of the merchandising money. The old system allowed each sport to equip themselves with sport specific brands. But we were responsible for merchandising ourselves. We get 100% of X, but with Nike handling merch we get 51+% of 2X.

          But I’ll agree. That is old school thinking.

          We have this interweb thingy that has many many other merchandisers who are much more fluid in the marketplace because they don’t pretend to make something of substance. Going back to sport specific gear and contracting with one of those merchandisers would allow the SAs to be more efficient and comfortable within their programs. And it would allow us much higher margins on similar, unrestricted incomes.

          And, as always, I find it lazy for an institution of higher learning to not use any of these instances as tools for study within the school itself. So I do see more opportunity cost than benefit.

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      Likely not ostentatious enough for UO, Phil Knight.

      Good start, but we want to be NOTICED damn it.

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        Losing by 49 is getting the quacks noticed nationally, but let’s not use that strategy

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          We used it for years. It doesn’t bother me as long as I can fill out three brackets in the spring with OSU going all the way. If football ever gets a real bracket, I’ll care.

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    Once again, I ask that you indulge my interest in Eastern Washington (& North Dakota State).

    http://helenair.com/sports/college/big-sky-conference/big-sky-notebook-qb-gubrud-thrilling-thriving-at-eastern-washington/article_d3ee47ed-65c9-5511-afe1-afa8abdcbaa8.html

    Worth repeating: EWU’s offense/qb coach (year 1), Troy Taylor, coached Jake Browning @ Folsom High School.

    http://goeags.com/staff.aspx?staff=75

    And Gage Gubrud is a preferred walk-on from McMinnville, Oregon.

    I understand it’s wise to recruit many-starred players, but I still like the coach-’em-up stories.

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      Be honest. Ed taught Jake.

      I would consider Chappell one of those stories. And I think he has more upside in him.

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        I guess I should be honest too. Ed just taught Jake how to teach himself.

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      Related topic:

      I’ve always thought that having a recruiter whose roll is to identify local (west coast and Idaho/Montana) talents that are being recruited to the D3 level and try to convince them to walk on at OSU could bear strong results over the long term. Especially if grey shirting was part of the strategy. Have them grey shirt, red shirt, and develop for another couple years and you’d likely find some guys that our at the very least good depth. And since D3 has no scholarships anyway they already are planning to pay their own way.

      It seems like most walk ons are guys that are being recruited to FCS schools which from a talent stand point makes sense but reserving a few spots a year to stealing and developing some D3 talent (out of high school) could likely pay dividends down the line.

      As part of the sales pitch, they not only could earn time at OSU (and a scholly) but might potentially find that some D2 or FCS schools might give them a scholly a couple years in even if they don’t earn time at OSU.

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        It sounds like a lot of time for little payoff.

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          Maybe, maybe not. I personally know 2 guys who both did this route back in the 90’s at Oregon (who was doing this) and 1 went on to be a 3 year starter canter for UO while the other started there for 2 years at TE followed by an 8 year NFL career.

          Neither was offered any opportunities beyond D3 out of high school, both took 1 year off and worked out following a program given to them by UO, walked on the next year where they red shirted. They were both 20 before they started using their 4 years of playing eligibility.

          I doubt UO would consider the program to have had little pay off. And I doubt they are the only 2 success stories from UO, just the ones I know personally.

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            I have no idea if UO has continued such a program but I do know Chip Kelly still held open try outs even when they were contending for national titles.

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            Everybody holds open try-outs. You can only have 10 preferred walk-ons filling 20 walk-on spots. The other 10 spots can’t be filled until the school begins fall term and try-outs are had.

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            Pretty sure there is no limit to the amount of walkons you can have once the season/school year starts, but there is the limit in the off season.

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            Is that a recent rule about walkons? I can remember in the 90’s Nebraska having like 120 players suited up on the sidelines during home games. In fact I can remember Keith Jackson talking about how many players wanted to walkon and nebraska didn’t have enough lockers in the locker room for them all.

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            Once you play a game or fall term starts you have no limits

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            You can even run a JV team if you want, they aren’t publicized but it’s allowed and some FBS schools have them

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            I’d have to do some research as I know rules have changed regarding walk ons. My guess off the top of my head is if it worked in the 90’s, it won’t fly today. Rule changes were made to keep powerhouse programs from stockpiling 4 and 5 star talent as walk ons and adding them to the roster or awarding scholarships later. Yes, the 105 number on the roster is the number in the offseason and fall camp but once the season starts that limit is lifted. Most schools average 120-125 during the season. Also pretty sure you can’t award a scholarship to a walk on until they’ve been on the team for two full seasons. Like I said, I’d have to research more but I’m too lazy to do it tonight.

            If that is in fact the case I’d rather continue to take chances on JC guys than worry about walk ons making it. Most walk ons are pretty much scout team members and tackling dummies. Injuries do happen though. Pretty rare that one actually makes it and sticks. Mike Hass comes to mind. Rules are different for FCS and FBS schools regarding walk ons.

            I am not aware of any JC teams for FBS programs. Lower level and Ivy league schools do it because they either have zero scholarships or limited scholarships (63 in FCS). Maybe the military academies as well. A year on a JV team would also count towards a players remaining eligibility.

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            I went and looked it up. What I recited was one of about three or four proposed roster/ship limits from 2012. It was soundly defeated. The late 90s were when the ship limit dropped to 85. That did not coincide with better competition by chance.

            I would like to see ship limits cut further. I know the monied powers of football lore are wusses and don’t want to do the hard work required to actually play against some of the kids they bury on the bench. So that’s an uphill fight.

            85 is the ship limit. That’s pretty well known. 105 are allowed until classes or the first game, as was said above.

            At that point, anyone added to the roster is considered a try-out player and a walk-on. The team also has to post the announcement that there are try-outs.

            Different conferences have different rules for how many can dress for home and away games. That rule looks like a mess.

            Ships are locked and cannot be redistributed until the season ends. And coaches can’t give the 20 walk-ons (considered the PWOs) any written guarantee of future aid.

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            The academies have JV for sure. So do some other FBS schools. I know Troy State did as recently as a few years ago.

            And, yeah, I know those games do count.

            The PAC might ban JV teams (I have no clue) but FBS rules do not. I know South Carolina has (or at least has had within the last 5 years) full contact club football which is essentially their JV team and plays lower division schools and JUCOs.

            The key is that its allowed, rather its a sound strategy is a question. I think it’d be worth it for reasons beyond just finding that diamond in the rough though.

            The reason I said to keep it local is that it would help make connections to more high school programs in the northwest and build relationships which could help when a school has legit FBS prospects.

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    Utah favored by 10. Likely not accounting for Utah’s injuries. Line should be around 7 points or so.

    I’d probably take the points. With Utah’s injuries, it’s hard to see them pulling away.

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    I don’t want to get overly optimistic because we still have a young squad, but if Garrettson puts together a good passing game as he has done for Utah state, I’m not sure Utah can score enough to beat us. They’re on their 6th string RB and have linemen dinged up. It’s going to be our offense vs their defense assuming our secondary continues strong play and they can’t run the ball.

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    Anyone see Justin Davis gash Utah for 12.6ypc a few weeks ago? Looks like he was without a carry late in the game, was he injured?

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      Or Tre Watson for 9.4ypc on 4 carries when they played Cal? Why were they succesful?

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Week 6 results:

    1. BeaverQB: 4-2 L(-34/+11)
    2. beaverkman: 3-3 (-13/-15)
    3. Jared: 3-3 L(-23/+8)
    t. mckalk: 3-3 L(-30/+1)
    5. Mud&Sticks: 3-3 L(-30/+12)
    6. PDXBeav: 2-4 (-6/-6)
    7. oneoldbeav: 2-4 (-9/-9)
    8. whiskey: 2-4 (-10/-10)
    9. orangejulius: 2-4 (-20/-20)
    10. wrigg3: 2-4 L(-23/-3)
    11. scotty: 2-4 L(-27/+4)
    12. beavergopher: 2-4 L(-27/-9)
    t. Nicebeaver: 2-4 L(-34/-2)
    14. cj: 2-4 L(-23/-16)
    15. BlackBandits: 2-4 L(-37/-6)
    16. beavers4life: 2-4 L(-38/+6)
    17. Numbers: 1-5 (-23/-23)
    18. Jack: 1-5 L(-14/+1)
    19. Theboneyard: 1-5 L(-30/+1)
    20. Outcast: 1-5 L(-30/+13)
    21. angry: 1-5 L(-30/-14)

    Week 7 picks:

    1. Miss. St. @ BYU
    2. Minnesota @ Maryland
    3. Stanford @ Notre Dame
    4. Fork U @ Colorado
    5. Ohio St. @ Wiscy
    6. Utah @ OSU (score)

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      Yikes!
      Ever since I stopped betting on games I don’t follow any teams but the Beavs, so it makes predictions hard.

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      Dawgs
      Gophers
      Cardinal
      Colorado
      The Ohio State University
      The Oregon State Beavers 31-28

    • Theboneyard says:
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      Byu
      Gophers
      Stanford
      Colorado
      Buckeyes
      Utah 31-28

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      BYU
      Maryland
      Notre Dame
      Colorado
      Ohio State
      Utah 33-17

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Mormons
      Turtles
      Tree
      Buffs
      Tree nuts
      Beavs 37-21

    • cj cj says:
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      BYU
      Minnesota
      ND
      This one’s a toss-up – ASU just for kicks
      That other OSU
      Beavs 42-38 (last week wasn’t an upset!)

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      1. Miss St
      2. Maryland
      3. Tree
      4. Buffs
      5. tOSU
      6. Beavs (21-20)

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      BYU
      Maryland
      Stanford
      Colorado Bison over TRIDENT…….fork u.
      Ohio State
      Beavs (28-24)

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      I went 1-5 last week, but got the Beavs winning correct. I don’t mind doing that every week guys.

      BYU
      Minnesota
      Fork U
      Ohio State
      OSU 34-31

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      BYU, Maryland, Notre Lame, Buffs, jaOSU, tbOSU 17, Utah 34

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      BYU
      Minnesota
      Stanford
      Colorado
      Ohio St.
      OSU (31-24)

    • Outcast says:
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      1. BYU
      2. Minnesota
      3. Stanford
      4. Colorado
      5. Wisconsin
      6. Utah (34-24)

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      1. Non-alcoholic Beer Drinkers.
      2. Minny
      3. Trees
      4. Buffs
      5. TOSU
      6. Utah 28-21

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      1) Miss state
      2) Maryland
      3) Notre Dame
      4) Colorado
      5) Ohio State
      6) Beavs 16-13

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    BYU
    Maryland
    Notre Dame
    Colorado
    Ohio St.
    Utes 31-17 (I really want to go with the Beavs, but I don’t think it’s going to happen)

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    Random for what it’s worth……I just found out one of the other dads on my sons football team actually played for Dave Baldwin when he was HC at San Jose St. He thinks the world of him as a coach and a motivator (they are still in contact). I’m glad I found this out before I made a smart ass remark about Baldwin as OC last year, which I thought was a mediocore and at times confusing performance!

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Ask him about baldwins diet coke addiction.

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        Diet Coke? Good question but too easy; I’d like to know what his current responsibilities really are……beyond inside receivers.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    1. Miss. St.
    2. Minnesota
    3. Notre Dame
    4. Colorado
    5. Ohio St.
    6. Utah(21-17)

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    Whoa! Injury report now has Nall-QUESTIONABLE, Lucas-Probable, and Ortiz-Out.
    Some mind games there??? Doubtful but hopeful.

    Given the toughness up the middle of the Utes D, is Lucas possibly more important than Nall this week?

    ADDED: On the Utes injury front, Whoa, again! Utes may return “one-time starting running back Joe Williams” who retired 27 days ago.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4457237-155/utah-football-rb-joe-williams-returns

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    BYU
    ACC team in the B1G
    ND
    Buffs
    Bucks……….die Wisconsin!
    Utes 24-20. This is a stone cold, lead pipe loss as yours truly will be in Reser. Beavs are an amazing 1-11 with me in da house. Sorry.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    1. Cougars
    2. Terps
    3. Irish
    4. Buffs
    5. Badgers
    6. Utah 27-18

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    So miss this dude.

    Some interesting stats in this article:

    http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/heres-how-rare-bucs-rb-jacquizz-rodgers-performance-on-monday-night-was-101116

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      He doesnt fumble, he’s built like a small brick and has great hands. Teams could do a lot worse. He was getting mediocore to crappy blocking most of the night, but he usually found a way to squirt forward for a couple of yards.

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    1. Miss. St.
    2. Minnesota
    3. Stanford
    4. Colorado
    5. Ohio St.
    6. OSU 20-17

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    If Joe Williams plays RB for Utah this weekend, hopefully he is really rusty and not really fresh and energized….

    Isnt there a required acclimation period? Doesn’t he have to wait a week before he goes full pads??? This sucks…. How is this legal?

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      Was he still enrolled in class? How can you join a school weeks late?

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Sounds like he started the season with the team, but “retired” for personal reasons shortly aftet the season started. Might be related to having a kid, but i’m not totally sure. Now he wants to come back and help his team, so he basically just had several weeks off in the middle of the season, but he should be eligible to play.

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      Seems legit. He was on the team when the season started.

      Basically the same if he was injured or suspended. There’s no paperwork when a guy quits during the season and then returns.

      Wouldn’t stress a whole lot about this. Nall’s injury is bigger than Utahs rb situation.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Utah’s C depth is also bigger than their RB situation.

        • Corliss says:
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          It will be if Joe Williams can play who was the projected first string RB when he was on the team….

          • Bill says:
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            I don’t think he’s any kind of savior. He only had 75 yards in two games and two fumbles.

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            Id like Whittingham and friends to be unsure of their running game…

        • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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          Saw they had 11 false starts against Arizona, and 3 more that didn’t get called. Expecting to see lots of bitching and moaning from the opposing coaches this weekend, since Andersen has been accused of having his guys mimic the snap count in a similar fashion to Arizona (didn’t we get a penalty for that against Cal?)

          I’d expect Utah is more ready for it this week than they were last week.

          http://www.sltrib.com/home/4456351-155/utah-football-utes-look-to-fix

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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            Yup, Beavs were penalized for that vs Cal. Some call it “stemming”.

            Opinion question: Is it better to have lots of crowd noise or not when mimicing snap count?

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            Yes, beavs were penalized once and sonny was crying several other times when cal was called for movement.

            The penalty the beavs received came on a play where all of the down lineman shifted laterally and cal moved. Whether there was verbal trickeration or not I don’t know but that was the one penalty.

          • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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            I’d like to see the rule on that. I believe if you audible as a defensive player you can get penalized, or if you jump forward then back at all trying to throw off their line. It is legal to jump sideways and sideways only suddenly which can cause their line to false start. Not sure how much I like doing that stuff but I think Anderson will do what he can legally to win.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I forget which game but the Beavs D line was accused of that last year

            There is nothing wrong with moving side to side. Which anyone can see. In person or on TV. But moving forward and then to the side or attempting to mimic the snap or count by a D lineman yelling hutt, hike or go is a penalty on the D.

          • Bill says:
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            I remember the penalty. The line judge was the one to toss the flag. Not sure how he heard the d line mimic the snap count when the crowd was pretty loud. D line was probably talking though.

            I think teams have dealt with this issue by clapping instead of a verbal snap count. Cal did a verbal snap.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Ohio State does it also. GA learned it from Urban?

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Indications of a real change in “SethTheGreat” in this piece by Gina regarding Garretson.

    On the plane home from Colorado, STG sat next to Garretson:
    “He just looked at me,” Garretson recalled earlier this week, “and he was like, ‘Hey, man, I believe in you. There’s a reason why I stayed (at OSU). It’s because I believe in you. That’s all that matters.’

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/10/darell_garretson_oregon_state.html#incart_river_index

    • dwill03 dwill03 says:
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      His blocking last game as a receiver was outstanding.

      Kid is a fiery/passionate football player through and through. Really glad stayed with the team. Has a real opportunity to become an all conference type player if they can squeeze him in the game plan more.

      Seems like he;s really growing as a person too. Win win.

  • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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    Sounds like the weather will be pretty bad Saturday in Corvallis. About an inch of rain in the forecast for Saturday, with winds around 20-40 MPH.
    100% chance of rain, and 24% chance of thunderstorms. Have fun out there guys. I’ll be watching this one from my couch.

    • Corliss says:
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      THE BEAVS WILL BE THE ONES BRINGING THE THUNDER!

    • Jack Jack says:
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      That would play perfectly into all of Garretson’s overthrows. I’d bet he chooses this week to start putting touch on his ball, and he ends up getting blown around because of it.

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