15.Oct.2016 McMaryion and these Coaches

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After the Civil War, when he almost lead what is basically a high school football team to victory, I said this was the guy. Then today he comes in and makes it look easy after sitting all game in adverse conditions. After just a handful of passes he surpassed, in performance, the other QBs by a long-shot.

Everyone see why I’m high on the guy now? Or, if not convinced he’s the answer, at least want to see him play a few games?

I can’t for the life of me see why you’d bench a high IQ player (4.0 GPA), who by the coaches admission mastered the playbook within weeks last camp, who can throw a beautiful ball, over a lower conference transfer and a walk-on, but my only guess is pure nepotism. You just can’t escape nepotism. Riley had it, GA has it, and then the fans follow along and say “Coach knows best” or actively look for reasons McM failed (e.g. The INT he throw on that screen pass, totally ignoring that Villimin dropped a TD on him earlier in that game). Whatever, this is the best QB on the roster. Moran might be better, but right now McM is the best option.

He’ll probably get killed next week vs Washington and everyone will view that as proof he’s bad. He’s better than the other two; that’s all I know at this point. Whether he is good or great is up in the air and we need game action to find out.

Moving on, these coaches cost the Beavs this game. It’s heartbreaking for them because they played well enough to win back to back conference games, and the staff let them down in so many ways. You guys saw it, so I don’t need to rehash it, but feel free to give all the examples you saw for discussion purposes.

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  • WFO WFO says:
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    Agree 100%. I said all of this weeks ago but I’ll say it again for posterity. He’s been the backup QB for a year. He’s started and had success in big games. He knows the playbook. He can obviously throw a nice ball.

    What.

    In.

    The.

    Fuck.

    • angry angry says:
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      They don’t give an answer, and the reporters don’t ask the question, so how will we know? I made a joke last week it was racism because I seriously can’t think of a logical reason. But more likely it’s nepotism and GA going with “his boy”. I really HATE coaches who do that. It is at the peril of the entire team to do something like that. Yet in the same breath GA claims he will play the guys who give the team the best chance to win. What crap.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Or perhaps the intangibles he possess are things like puling the ball down and running in circles instead of looking for his second and third reads… not knowing or caring where the LOS or line to gain are… Not looking at his check down, instead throwing into triple coverage (to be fair that was each of our QBs yesterday).

        There is so little calm in his play that drinking four cups of coffee might settle him down.

        But he is the only one of the three who can pass beyond 15 yards. I just wish his pocket presence didn’t look like someone hiding in a honey bucket… not knowing the walls are invisible.

      • Corliss says:
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        I think GA wants a certain attitude and he may question if guys Riley recruited have it

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I think all that is done. Remember Petersen had to do the same up at UW. He was willing to kick the best player off the team to prove his point.

          MM just has zero presence. But it might work next week. Just hand the ball off and keep the clock running. If it works (since it is our strength), then we have a chance. If not, the game ends sooner.

  • angry angry says:
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    I’d also like to add: In a situation like this where there’s uncertainty, always start a Riley QB over a GA QB.

    One thing Riley knows how to do is recruit and coach QBs. One thing GA is awful at? The same recruiting and coaching QBs.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      I think maybe he’s delusional because of the Chuckie Keeton factor. They got lucky with a freak (but fragile) QB and he blew up and was awesome before he got hurt for the rest of his career.

      Now they think they have this magic eye for picking QBs, and all they end up doing is playing WR.

    • scotty says:
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      Riley had QBs that couldn’t run. Andersen has QBs that can’t throw.

      • angry angry says:
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        McMaryion can run enough. He’s not Mannion.
        Throwing is more important.

        • mckalk says:
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          I think that’s why Riley got McM because all of everyone bitching about his stone statue QB’s. MCM has some mobility.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Check Vanderveen’s and Mcmaryion’s HS tape. Both good passing dual threat quarterbacks, in fact I remember us being confused on why they would have been recruited or why they would have committed to a Riley coached team.

        Both perfect fits for a spread offense if properly coached. But that’s apparently a huge fucking if at this point.

        • angry angry says:
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          I know. Vanderveen was right up the road and I saw him play. He’s got a funky long-armed throwing motion that tips throws, and I don’t think he’d work out. He also bulked up to play TE and his body changed. He got stiffer/less mobile from the muscle he added. Not convinced he’d make a good QB at all.

          But, they mismanaged him. They made Nall gain a ton of weight and now he’s always hurt. There are some major evaluation problems.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            That’s my point in it’s entirety.

            Piss poor talent evaluation and an obvious preference for the guys they recruited.

            Nall is obviously a monster, but let’s dick dally the fuck around and have him gain weight and lose weight and change positions and change back and blah blah fucking blah blah blah.

            Start a real quarterback that can make reads and complete a god damned pass.

            Start a running back that has good vision and huge power.

            If you didn’t recruit them, fucking get over it and recruit better.

          • angry angry says:
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            If you didn’t recruit them, fucking get over it and recruit better.

            Exactly.

            And I made a post about a year ago talking about the mismanaging Nall and others to their detriment, and also that StS was throwing hospital balls. This staff is stubborn and doing things their way. Fine, but until they get all their guys, they’re putting all these players at risk, not giving the fanbase the best product they can, and also not being fair to the Riley players. If they view that all as collateral damage, fine, but I think it’s unfair and the approach should be more play the best guy (no matter of anything else) and recruit into your program. This might makes right approach is annoying.

            Think how happy and in love with the staff were last week with the win, though. When it’s a win, everyone pushes these problems under the rug.

            The Riley leftovers have gotten such a raw deal. Well, the ones who are better than the GA players at least.

      • helmsley says:
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        Garretson can throw – he just can’t throw to the receivers.

  • scotty says:
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    I was preaching patience before, but this game has me falling off the Andersen-wagon.

    It’s one thing to lose because you don’t have the talent, or the players are learning a new system. I have no problem waiting for those things to improve. I DO have a problem when highly paid coaches make horrible decisions that sabotage the team’s chances. Everyone watching, TV and radio announcers included, were basically saying to stop passing so much, if at all.

    Constantly calling pass plays in bad weather that were obviously doing nothing other than killing drives is sabotage. The players deserve better than that, especially when they’re putting their bodies on the line, like we saw. Disgraceful coaching today, Clune excluded. D came to ball.

    • angry angry says:
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      The D wasn’t as good as the final score indicated, though. Key turnovers helped make the numbers look good. But Utah should have had 14 more points at least.

      They were the best unit and played well enough to win, but they weren’t great.

      • scotty says:
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        If we’re counting hypotheticals, subtract 7 for the gift Blount gave them right by the goal line (and no knock on him, I hope he’s OK.) D also got that stop at the end to give the O a last ditch attempt at a win.

      • mckalk says:
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        And Utah is a marginal P-12 offense at best, kind of like his buddy GA, Whittingham’s team’s problems are usually on the offensive side.

        • Corliss says:
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          I predicted on this blog that joe williams would be a big factor! Others tried to downplay the utes former number one option!

  • mckalk says:
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    Given what I’ve seen from this staff regarding QB’s and GA’s obsession with Seth Collins before the team even practiced last year, why wouldn’t have Del Rio been a servicable three year starter? Was he too slow or too stupid to run this offense?

    And I’m fine with McM taking over now, just curious about Del Rio. I think this staff is clueless about QB’s and it could become a chronic problem.

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t think Del Rio was a good fit. He’d have been better than Garrettson and Blount and StS, though.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      No, Del Rio would have been fine. Vanderveen would have been fine. Mcmaryion would have been fine.

      Instead, we’re a year and a half in to this with one real win and one close loss for no fucking reason. This staff is obsessed with finding Chuckie Keeton part 2 and can’t see the fucking forest because they’re standing in the desert.

      • angry angry says:
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        Vanderveen hadn’t thrown a pass in 4 years and had very bad mechanics. I’m not sure why you say he’d be fine.

        Del Rio maybe, but his style wasn’t a great match for the offense they claimed to want to run.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Bullshit, he was competing with Del Rio to be Mannion’s backup, and they actually went back and forth with who was the backup QB Mannion’s senior year.

          Go look it up.

          • angry angry says:
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            I still don’t think he was a good solution. Better than Garrettson and Blount, but that’s everyone who can throw a ball.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            The point is that he was something like a top 20 in the country dual threat quarterback recruit out of high school. Then he was coached by Langs and then Garrett and was good enough to be the clear cut backup to Mannion.

            Then these chuckleheads roll in and don’t even give him a glance, and have him convert to TE so they could start StHC and fucking Mitchell, who by the way was on the squad with Mannion and Vanderveen. If he was starter or backup material he would have been in the running instead of riding the pine.

          • angry angry says:
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            I agree with that. They came in with the “we’re the new sheriff in town” and decided there would be collateral damage. The collateral damage looks random b/c of their inability to evaluate talent.

            The thing is, I do think they’ve done a good job at finding better looking 2 and 3 star talent than Riley and his staff. But they totally missed on analyzing Riley’s players. They seemed to want to make examples of those players rather than pick the best ones.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You are incorrect about not giving QBs a look. I agree that Seth was favored improperly. But don’t blame GA for Del Rio and Vanderveen. One had a foot out the door and didn’t care. The other isn’t as good as any of the other QBs we’ve had on the roster.

            I’m surprised I don’t hear any whining about how Kempt should be the starter for us instead of being third or fourth string for Iowa State.

            And as a general rule I don’t know that I’d go with Riley’s QB assessments. What he left after Mannion was a hot mess. LDR might have worked in his system, but what numbers would he have had with the O-line that was left?

            And we are talking about a guy who chose Jake Gelakoska over Kellen Moore.

            But I get it. With three years and a decent arm Riley can build a QB. I’m thinking Pensyl was not going to be our savior.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Aren’t you the same guy who stated earlier this year football was not a high IQ sport and you’d take a team full of dumb guys over a team of smart guys? Or something like that?

    Are you going to blame GA for throwing McMaryion to the wolves (or dawgs in this case) when he gets taken apart by the UW defense? Because that’s what is going to happen next Saturday. After the injuries I saw to Garretson and Blount I don’t think either of them will be playing next weekend. Looks like you’ll get your wish.

    Not disagreeing with you here. I’ve seen enough of Garretson now and realize he’s not the answer. He can run but that’s about it.

    • angry angry says:
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      Aren’t you the same guy who stated earlier this year football was not a high IQ sport and you’d take a team full of dumb guys over a team of smart guys? Or something like that?

      Nope.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        Fair enough. I stand corrected and was wrong

    • mckalk says:
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      I think the UW game is problematic for a young team that is going to get killed. How do you minimize injuries? It feels like the Arizona and Oregon games might be winnable if enough good players are healthy, hell maybe even Stanford. I don’t want the UW game to become a momentum crusher. It’s not remotely winnable (and I would love to eat my words).

      • WFO WFO says:
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        You’re right. Not a chance. You don’t want to look like a bunch of pussies but you also don’t want to get all of your starters hurt in a game you might as well not even show up for.

      • angry angry says:
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        I hope the players don’t have that mindset. They all do the same weight training and such to get prepared for a game. I’d hope the odds of a Beaver player hurting a Washington player are the same. Not sure why WA would injure all our players. Not following this logic here.

        Just go there, play the best guys, and see what happens.
        Nothing gets me angrier than coaches who don’t play the best guys. Remember when Riley kept playing that #28 guy like 8 years ago? Brutal. GA is doing it. They all do it. They are stubborn and think they know it all, but objectively it’s easy to see when a player is overmatched and not a fit/answer. The change should be made immediately.

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          I’m talking more about McM getting overwhelmed by the Huskies and possibly injured. Then you have no chance to win future games. I agree, nothing you can do about it, but play your best players, but it’s the wrong game and the wrong time for a program that is making some progress.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            That’s what I was saying also. Obviously you have to run your first string. But it sucks for them

          • angry angry says:
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            McM is going to light them up.
            Washington should be the ones worrying. 😉

          • WFO WFO says:
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            3 minutes of tape on him and no open practices. That’s an advantage.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Bullshit. you wrote something along those lines. I may not remember the quote exactly but that was the jist of it.

    I’m not gonna go back and look either. I don’t need to because I disagreed with your statement and brought up Stanford as an example. I’m sure there were plenty of others here that read it and will back this up.

    • angry angry says:
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      Nope.

      In fact I always talk about importance of IQ at QB especially, citing Kellen Moore and others.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Angry never said that. He always talks about high iq players.

    • Doozeldorf says:
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      He just said dumb kids should get a shot at playing football and going to the NFL without going to college since it’s thier only chance to make a good living.

      • angry angry says:
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        Exactly right, I did say that and believe it.

        There should be a developmental league for those players.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Those players also may not be dumb in the football sense.

          I’m not understanding this line of discussion. Football is not a hard game to understand. Street, book or un- smart kids can all understand the game equally and succeed within it.

          • angry angry says:
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            The conversation was about players with ability never getting to show it because they’re required to go to college. Basically I feel there should be a league for players who have no academic ability but high football ability.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I understand that football players are lost in the cracks because the minor leagues are exclusively the college ranks. What I don’t understand is how recalling that discussion (correctly or not) pertains to this discussion.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            College football=NFL minor leagues. With the caveat the players have to be ‘smart enough’ to make it into college and continue passing yoga bowling classes while enrolled.

            Baseball minor leagues=no academic requirement needed.

          • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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            Angry, there is a “league for players who have no academic ability but high football ability”… it is called the Mountain West Conference.

  • Youngorst says:
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    It’s obvious he is the best QB on the roster, I’ve committed to no more bad mouthing of the staff so leaving it there

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Fuck that. That’s how we ended up with Saint Simple Jack’s lifetime contract.

      If you have something to say, then say it.

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        Nope, I stand by my word.

        I’m encouraged by the desire to get JUCO talent and think this is a bowl team in 2017 regardless of the QB, do think 2016 could’ve been a bowl year and maybe it still happens

        I’m all about a CW win at this point

        • mckalk says:
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          I don’t see 4 more winnable games on the schedule. I thought Utah was a possibility because of all of their injuries and their general ineptitude on offense, but the Beaver coaching staff made sure that didn’t happen. My fantasy 6-6 record and a minor bowl game would have included wins over Utah, Arizona, Stanford and Oregon.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Think it’s a chandler pipeline thing? Like, we’ll play your guys if you send them our way?

  • mckalk says:
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    Does anyone here think that the receivers feel like McM is their guy? I thought the sudden energy was perceptible when he came into the game. Am I off base with that thought?

    • I like carrots alot says:
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      Well they know he can throw better than anyone else…

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      I feel like villamin has quit. Like he knows he’s not getting the ball and this is a waste of effort running ghost routes.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    I didn’t watch the second half (left to go play basketball instead, since the Beavers didn’t seem like they were interested in running the ball), but the saddest part about this game is that I don’t think we even needed McMaryion to win (how did he do BTW? Sounds like he did great). If we took half the pass plays we did and replaced them with Nall power runs or intelligent edge run plays, we could’ve easily won this game.

    This one hurts, bad.

    • mckalk says:
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      Nall apparently re-aggrivated is injury on his only run of the game, so his power game was not available. That guy has got to get healthy and stay healthy or it’s going to be a “what could have been ” career.

      • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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        Did he really? That sucks. They should just rest him against Washington so he can be ready for the rest of our games.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I was all for resting him this game. The chance of re-injury seemed high, or that he “wouldn’t be himself,” and wouldn’t be as effective anyway. Should have sat him and got him as healthy as possible.

        • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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          My gripe is when Nall went down why wasn’t Cook brought in immediately… it took over 2 quarters for them to bring the guy in who nearly killed some Utah players when he finally was unleashed. I think GA needs to have a talk with his offensive coaches and make sure they all know what the hell to do if a particular player goes down. It was not as if we didn’t know Nall was already hurt from the last game. Come on! Cook should have been in there from the beginning of the game.

  • NALL BALL says:
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    Our identity needs to be run first and run straight at them. Mux in some outside runs on sweeps and quick high odds passing (mostly on 3rd down, occasionally on 2nd) and that is about it. Beavers will struggle until they week in and week out play to their identity as a run first team. Regardless of what Goe or anyone else says. Stick with and get accustomed to working towards mastering your strength. 63% run to 37% pass is this team’s best shot at more wins. Will be true against WSU and true against Oregon and 99% true regardless of who we play.

    RUN THE DAM FOOTBALL.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Yup, additionally: very often when in a 2nd and 4-6 yds to make, PLAN TO USE 2 DOWNS TO GET THE FIRSTDOWN.
      Pay attention to field position, but don’t kneejerk into a pass on 3rd and long.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Agree OOB, and they should scheme to use tempo to catch the defense off guard in those situations. Third or fourth and short get to the line quick and snap the ball before the defense gets it’s shit together.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Need to have a smart athletic QB who can make the throws and recognize when the opportunity is there to tuck and run.

  • Outcast says:
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    I could see Nebraska getting to 8-0, including a win at Wisconsin. I can’t imagine them being within two TDs of Ohio State, though. Urban Meyer’s offense is basically the blueprint for embarrassing a Mark Banker defense.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Have you seen the wincy/tosu score yet?

      • Outcast says:
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        Matchups. Banker’s defensive schemes work much better against what Wisconsin does offensively than what Ohio State does. People may not want to admit it, but Nebraska is a pretty damn good team this year. Maybe not quite on the level of tOSU/Michigan/Wisconsin, but I’ll give them a fighting chance against Wisconsin.

        • mckalk says:
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          Nebraska has played a very weak schedule so far. Fresno St. and Wyoming are dumpster fires, you know the story about Oregon. I will concede that at least going into the Indiana game they seem to be a good 4th quarter team. Weakest undefeated team in the nation and the media is lapping it up because of their love of Aw Shucks. I’ll check back after Wisconsin and Ohio St.

        • scotty says:
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          There is absolutely no way Nebraska will finish the year in the top ten. Their undefeated record against mediocre at best competition is fools gold.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            they’ll still win at least 9 games and everyone in Lincoln will think Nebby is back and contend for a CFP spot next year. But they forget as Beavergopher so eloquently pointed out in a previous thread that Armstrong is a senior. Next year is a new QB for the children of the corn. We all know what that means. This season is probably going to be a high water mark for them

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            They’ll be so happy to win 9 games with Smiley Riley, thinking everything’s gonna be great, while forgetting they just had a guy who did at least that every single year. With the pressure off, watch Riles mail it in next year and win 6-8

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            with a green QB and the “complex Riley playbook” I’m thinking 4 wins is a stretch

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    I’m thinking there’s not a lot of shame in the Beavers loss to the Buffs on the road. CU is taking ASU to the shed so far 30-10 early 3Q, offense going crazy.

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    I wonder why the press doesn’t ask Andersen about this? I didn’t see the game, but Garretson has been an awful passer….its hard to imagine why he doesn’t get some meaningful game reps, particularly when Garretson hasn’t been “100%,” and McM knows the playbook better than Blount.

  • Doozeldorf says:
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    This loss is 100% on the coaches and it’s complete bullshit. They seriously need to answer some tough questions about the shit show they put on today. I’ve been all for giving GA time to rebuild but when he and his staff totally fuck up a completely winnable game it’s inexcusable. How can the players continue to have respect for these guys? There needs to be some serious improvements to game planning and play calling very soon. Otherwise, why keep this crew around? We might as well cut bait at the end of the season and start the rebuild again. I’d rather lose the 2 years than to have another 10 years of this crap.

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      What the fuck are you talking about? Special teams made some mistakes. WRs wouldn’t catch the ball on the off chance it hit them squarely in the hands. Plain old drops were the reason for at least five drives dying. The ones that didn’t hit them squarely in the hands magically hit nobody. But it’s not like they weren’t open.

      Nobody’s talking about how much the refs sucked. Can anyone tell me what the call was on Harlow? I watched the play when I got home, and I’m thinking they called the number wrong… and that the player they were calling the penalty on wasn’t on the field. Seriously, they just imagined a 15 yard Utah gift.

      The non-facemask on Bolden that set up the fumble and their last TD?

      The non-holding against Arnold at the point of attack (seriously lots of uncalled holds on Utah that weren’t exactly buried in line play)?

      The stemming call that was complete bullshit… followed by a make-up call that was also complete bullshit in our favor?

      At least two really really obvious interference non-calls?

      Even the late hit to end the game?

      You all got a bunch of panties bunched up in what I will start calling your head holes if you don’t at least see the game for what it was.

  • Angry@angry says:
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    Here you go Angry…. time to see if you’re as smart as you think you are. 2 separate coaching staffs disagree with you and here’s your chance to prove them (and me) wrong.

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      I have never understood your insistence on promoting confirmation bias as a valid rationale.

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    So I don’t get what you’re all talking about, thinking we would’ve done better running the ball. Nall was out, and those other two backs couldn’t do shit against a far inferior defense last week. And McM looked good? He was playing at the end of a game against a tired defense. Garretson has done good at times this season. Blount was good against the Broncos. McM was good in one game last year. If I recall correctly, he was trounced in other appearances, right alongside “StS.”

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      Pierce, Lucas, and Bolden gained 6.7, 7.0, and 8.7 yards per carry respectively. Garretson was 1-16 with 1 yard after almost 3 quarters! And you’re telling me you don’t think we should have kept running the ball?????

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        Huh. I didn’t actually know their stats. *shrug* Whatever I’ve seen of the backs besides Nall, they get one or two good runs, and then are usually eaten up around the line of scrimmage. Could’ve sworn that was the case again on Saturday. Eh.

        I just don’t think it’s that big a deal. They’ve won one more game than I thought they would this year. They’ve had a couple close games in a row, so they’re better than I thought they would be. They only won two games last year, and most since Anderson’s been here haven’t been close.

        I just expected another shit year. OSU has had plenty of those in the past. I try not to invest too much emotion or expect anything; I’ll give it another couple years before I consider doing those things again. See where Anderson’s got the program (if he’s still here).

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        I think you need to read the play-by-play for the second half.

  • Outcast says:
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    What a difference a week makes in the mood around here (and the same could have been said last weekend, though with the mood swing was in the opposite direction). Do people feel that the play-calling and personnel decisions on offense were really any worse this week than they were against Cal? A healthy Ryan Nall simply makes the offense so much better than it has any business being.

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      “Do people feel that the play-calling and personnel decisions on offense were really any worse this week than they were against Cal?”

      Yes.

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        The only thing I’ll say about it being different is that Cook didn’t come in until late. Everyone knew Nall was out and were asking what was wrong with Cook. Then he made a ST hit and caught a flare for a good gain.

        I’m not sure why he wasn’t used to fill the gap Nall’s injury left. It’s tough to have a next an up attitude when the next man up doesn’t play.

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      Im not defending Garretson, but he hit several recievers in the hands and they dropped balls today, it’s happened in every game this year. Not enough to make a big diffrence in his percentage, but it could have made a diffrence on at least 2, 3 and outs. I didn’t see the last series, did McM have the same thing happen at the end?
      I personally think this is the least talented group on the team. Vilamin is a no show, Bolden drops relatively everything, collins was hurt?, Hernandez is not quite ready as is bradford. Can our TE catch? Sure don’t seem like it since the balls don’t go their way. Where are the drag routes and TE delays?
      I understand we need to run,run,run but we need to open up the defense with solid passing, and I also realize we need a qb that can throw. But a semi accurate QB should be good enough with good, even ok recievers…..which we don’t have.

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        I know McMaryion had at least one of his passes dropped by a receiver.

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          I only saw one drop, but it was right in the WRs hands. Brennan probably has to go because there are just too many drops, and since it’s every WR you have to think something is wrong on a fundamental level. The high number of drops is something I can’t explain. Lack of focus? Anxiety? I don’t know, but it’s a real problem that someone has to correct last year.

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            I missed the INT but wasn’t that a deflection? And to me it comes acrossed as laziness or lack of focus. It goes along with not getting seperation on some plays. I’d be willing to give some of the young and newer guys a pass but vilamin and Bolden are the key perpetrators of the poor handling.
            Maybe they can get TJ to come back and coach.

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            Remember, Brennan is a “Riley guy”, he’ll be gone.
            Only question is, with GA’s focus on D and the nepotism he favors, who will McGiven/Baldwin bring in?

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          I thought so. It’s one of the most frustrating things to watch besides an offensive linemen olé.
          I wrote that comment after watching the wincy/tosu overtime. That Touchdown throw at the end, don’t know if anybody saw it but the ball was thrown behind the reciever to the outside and the reciever broke and stretched for the catch. I can’t think of one guy on our team who would have made that catch, let alone made a brake to attempt a catch.

  • ohiobeav says:
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    This was a case of coaches not believing they are ready to beat Utah yet. The Utah connections and respect for what Wittingham has done is a self defeating relationship for the staff.They prepped us all week about being unable to run inside on Utah, and decided that throwing was the solution. Looking at the ypc of each runner shows us that they abandoned what worked best:
    Bolden 8.7
    Pierce 6.7
    Lucas 7
    Outrageous to keep throwing in that wind, given the erratic results in normal conditions the week before.

  • NALL BALL says:
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    With Angry on McMaryion has to start vs UW. Blount seeing the field this year was unneeded with Marcus. Blount as a freshman is not at the level of Marcus so he should never go in before him. McMaryion came in with a perfect attitude and has clear ideas of what we wanted to do unlike Blount and at times Garretson.

    Right now I give Clune most credit on this staff. If GA puts in Blount before Marcus again this year then GA will lose credibility amongst fans. Rebuilds don’t need to waste games when they can happen quicker with better decisions.

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      perhaps it has more to do with forcing a scholly on him?

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      If a clear idea of what he wants to do is throwing what should have been a grounding call from 15 yards deep, then I’m with you.

      After watching all three QBs yesterday, I’m ready to burn a redshirt.

    • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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      Blount went out on a stretcher in bad shape and knee in a boot. You probably won’t see him the rest of the season. Feel bad for the kid… it was a good story to this point.

  • DAWGS POUND THE PAC says:
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    Y’all just never have no chance in sports huh?

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    This was a winnable game, but the conditions were extreme. The stats are pretty similar so I don’t put it all on the QB. Utah QB was 4-19 or something just like Garretson. We Hiked over the punter’s head, lead to two points, Blount’s fumble at the 9 lead to 7 points. If we make both field goals we win that game.

    Injuries are just killing this team. Robinette goes down, Blount, Garretson, Nall, blah blah when are we just going to stay healthy?

    Arizona, Stanford, Ucla, Oregon still look winnable. Wazzu can be jeckyl and hyde, and at home possible (see E Wa). There are still some games we could do well to win. Need to get healthy, and have better production in the passing game. Feels like we are getting there or closer would really help if we could get and stay healthy. Maybe we could use the UW game as a bye??

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    It’s a CW win or bust at this point, honestly all that matters now

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    Improvement ever week. We are seeing it with defense, not so much on the offense other then cal and every other second half.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      We’re seeing a lot of improvement in the run game too. It’s too bad their D committed 10 to the LOS in the second half, or we could have moved it a bit more that way.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Maybe it’s been suggested already (havent read the whole thread) but is it a bad idea to have the QB coach also serving as OC and play caller? Is McGiven just so consumed by his new duties as OC that he can’t adequately assess the QB situation?
    We have two guys coaching receivers as their full time job, but 1 guy coaching QB’s/GamePlanning/play calling (ok, woods apparently is assistant OC, but he’s not in play calling mode)

    Given how poor our QBs have played this season and last, is it right to pull coaching resources away from that position?

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      some were ready to anoint him as the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ after the almost come from behind civil war win last year.

      The offense looks just as lost at times as last year when Baldwin was calling the plays.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    I’m ready to move on from Garretson. I’ve seen enough. Guy can do some damage with his running ability but that’s about it.

    With that in mind the Utes QB didn’t exactly light the world on fire today either. So there is that. This game was there for the taking.

    We can bellyache all we want about the Beavs not running the ball enough. Should they have run the ball more today? Maybe. Probably. You can run, run and run some more. But at some point the defense is going to load the box and force you to pass. If your QB can’t hit the broadside of a barn and his receivers aren’t doing him any favors, you’re kinda fucked. Yes it is time to give McMaryion a chance but he may look just as awful as the others against a very good UW D next weekend. But with injuries to Garretson and Blount it may be McMaryion by default. I hate to see them burn a redshirt on Mason Moran but it may have to happen. I have my doubts he’s durable enough or even ready. Might be time for a position switch back to QB for Seth Collins.

    Speaking of receivers, Villamin? Take a seat. Bolden is 50/50 on fly sweeps and makes just as many boneheaded plays as he makes good ones. I’ve seen enough of some of these older guys and ready for a youth movement in that department. This position was supposed to be a strength. It is far from that.

    Special teams was a dumpster fire today and imo was a big factor in losing. Left points on the table and a bad snap cost 2 points. Also I question the decision to attempt a 51 yard FG with that wind in the first half. Dumb move. Pooch punt and play for field position. Also disagreed with the decision to decline the holding penalty in the 4th. Again, field position and the Beavs still had 2 timeouts despite there only being about 5 minutes left in the game.

    Defense looked leaps and bounds better today and gasp! Even recorded a sack. Did the weather have anything to do with it?

    I remain unconvinced Utah will win the south. Not sold on them at all.

    The next two games will not be kind to the Beavs. UW and WSU are the best teams in the North. The last 4 do not look anywhere near as formidable. UCLA looks like a completely different team without Josh Rosen and cannot run the ball even when he’s in there. Stanford has QB play issues as well and even without McCaffrey today had to rally late to beat an overrated as shit Notre lame team in South Bend. Arizona and Oregon both look awful.

    Sit Nall next week and take your lumps. Bigger picture is more important than one game that’s going to be a blowout even with him

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      Nall should have sat against Utah. Play him at UW and he’ll get hurt again. Like that California player, someone will just torque his ankle in a pile/tackke/after a tackle. Let his ankle heal a bit longer.

      Bolden is high risk/sometimes reward, and this is the second staff to over-estimaye. I figure he must practice well? Which WR are available for more reps? Jarmon?

      Does rhe starting TE return this season, or is he out all season?

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        Togiai out for the season with a knee injury last I heard. Ortiz also injured, don’t know if he’s out for the season.

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    I haven’t read every comment yet, just got through the first few, but while Garretson is far from a good passing QB, his receivers really let him down today. There were a couple wide open, first down targets that the receivers simply dropped the ball after it hit them in the chest. I don’t think these receivers can even catch a cold right now. Not sure if that is on them, the QB or the coaches. It wasn’t all DG today…

  • osbeavs says:
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    I attended this very winnable game today. Below are my thoughts on what happened:

    1) Coaches blew the first half. This started when we won the coin toss and elected to receive allowing Utah to choose the direction. The wind was significant. Deferring and taking the wind at our backs would’ve been the right call.
    2) Despite fighting the wind we threw into and punted high into it giving Utah field position for most of the half.
    3) Our D line got mauled in the first half. The LOS moved at least 5 yard every time and their lineman got the 2nd level effectively eliminating our ability to make them get behind schedule and pass. Their RBS were forgettable, their line won that game.
    4) We mismanaged the clock, field position, and weather the entire half by throwing and punting into it (end of first quarter with 1 second left).
    5) Nall broke that monster run because we pulled Harlow around for a monster kick out block. That play doesn’t happen otherwise. We stopped pulling Harlow like that for some unknown reason.
    5a) Nall was injured as he broke a tackle, guy slipped off his ankle but twised Nalls ankle anyways as he ran for another 10 yards.

    2nd half:
    1) Utah went into the wind. We knew they wouldn’t pass and we rolled the safeties up for run D and dared them to throw. They didn’t throw. This was a clutch turning point as it gave us numbers in the box and got momentum for our D.
    2) We stuck to the run and ran Garretson finally. We lacked Garretson runs in the first half.
    3) The weather finally began to clear on the drive Garretson got hurt. It’s no coincidence that we finally completed some passes.
    4) that same drive we threw the hitch route and quick out aging their soft outside coverage which was affective. They played soft all day and we refused to throw the short easy completions. I never saw a bubble screen which is a shame.

    Special teams:
    1) Punts into the wind were mismanaged.
    2) FGS were both bad snaps so not just on the kicker. Also, both situations were inherently obvious by 3rd down that we would be attempting a fg on 4th down. Should’ve used 3rd to center up the ball and get a yard or two to improve the kick. Normally I hate throwing in the towel on 3rd but in a sloppy game, take the points.

    QBs:
    1) Garretson was awful today. Those gloves had to have been a factor. Also, the lack of designed runs for him in the first half was a crime. We don’t play to his strength enough. When we did the offense really clicked and Utah was on their heels. Teams are giving him the short routes and runs, play it.
    2) McM may be the answer but today shouldn’t provide any useful data. He got to throw in the best weather. That wind didn’t feel awful in the stadium but it was no joke. I haven’t seen a football drift that much in reser stadium. Garretson did good work on a bad leg in that nice weather late in the game.
    3) McM may be smart but I am unsure that it proves he can play. He had several bad passes on that last series including some poorly placed balls (behind the receivers etc). I want to see more before a verdict is declared.

    Refs:
    1) what’s up with the Harlow unnecessary roughness?
    2) what’s going on in the line where we keep getting defensive delay of game?
    3) the missed PI in the 3rd on the defender on Collins was a joke, such a drive killer.
    4) why no flag on the final play of the game. Bolden clearly got hit with a ditry play.

    Overall, today was both frustrating and encouraging. The coaches can D scheme to stop a one dimensional team (run or pass). However, this was a winnable game that is mostly on the coaches and slightly on the refs. We need to design game plans that stick to the strength of our limited players, when we do our team does well. Finally, the injuries sustained today hurt us for down the stretch. Hope we get healthy.

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      I think the refs were shielded from the last play with Bolden because they were so far out of bounds when it happened.
      That last play should have whistled dead anyway. The game clock was at 00 for at least 3 seconds before the ball was snapped. I actually said welp that’s game and had taken a few steps down the aisle when they snapped the ball.
      Our D line is getting the delay of game penalties because they’re jumping (not shifting) and simulating a snap which causes the offense to jump. Weird to see that rare call 2 games in a row huh?
      I’m not ready to line GA in front of the firing squad like many people are. This program is still headed in the right direction, they’re playing the best football in years and are actually competitive against at least the lower half teams now. Our D’s energy and tackling and penetration are something we haven’t seen in years. (I’m convinced Decoud #14 will play on Sundays).
      Our best player so far, our punter, was completely out to lunch today. Not sure what happened there, maybe a personal distraction away from the field? These are kids after all.
      Something never mentioned here is the extreme difficulty for any coaching staff to manage the balance between kids that practice great but disappear during games and vice versa. This mental part of the game gets better as kids mature and get experience but it is still a very real part of any sport that most non-players just don’t think about or understand how powerful it is on player/team/coaching dynamics.

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        It’s nice of you to cover for the refs… kinda. But now that I’ve seen the TV version they’re worse than I thought from just watching their management techniques (for lack of a better word) live.

        Something never mentioned here is the extreme difficulty for any coaching staff to manage the balance between kids that practice great but disappear during games and vice versa.

        Huh? It’s been talked about enough that we know to refer to these phenomena as practice heroes and gamers.

    • helmsley says:
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      Thanks for the succinct, point-by-point analysis. I think it’s write-ups like this that give AB credibility when other blogs and the OL comments degenerate into – well, they just degenerate.

  • Rex says:
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    Too much pessimism here. We’re seeing a lot of positives to build on. Will the coaches make mistakes? Of course. That’s football. That’s life. I’m not saying give up all your pessimism but let’s temper it with a little optimism.

  • angry angry says:
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    I think these coaches know that OSU fans are pushovers and just grateful to have them, and that the media is a bunch of softball pitchers. There’s no sense, to me at least, in the coaching staff that if they mess up the gameplan anyone is going to care or even ask about it.

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      >There’s no sense, to me at least, in the coaching staff that if they mess up the gameplan anyone is going to care or even ask about it.

      Huh? Andersen demoted his OC during the first offseason, isn’t that accountability?

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    1:31 minutes OSU – Utah Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaZJbTyCtew

    14:00 minutes OSU Presser Utah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naIzkAXObr8

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/327668-207291-beavers-had-a-chance-to-win

    Eggers recap from yesterday. Noticed he calls out the long snapper rather than owens for the field goal (and punt safety) miscues.
    Guess its hard to fault the guy who has to throw the ball backwards, between his legs, into the wind, when your QB can’t do it standing upright.

    Still waiting for a reporter to question the gameplan, especially when looking at Utah’s run to pass ratio

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      Should clarify, it’s Andersen who called out his long snapper, not Eggers. If GA is ready to single guys out, would be nice if he didnt just keep it directed at the players

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Both Ds committed to defend the run in the second half. Utah could afford to run against that and win. Their ST didn’t make mistakes, let alone give up points.

      If you hadn’t noticed, Utah essentially played better than us yesterday. And they did it by about as much as I thought they would do it. But I thought our D production was backward. I thought we would be the ones to tire late. We were confused a lot. But there was effort to the end from every kid out there.

      I was rather happy with yesterday’s game because they exceeded my expectations in terms of conditioning and effort. I think a lot of that has to do with #99 getting that much better every week.

  • BlackBeav says:
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    Now that I’ve had time to digest the game, we should’ve won. The game came down to 3 plays: ball on our line as we marched down on them and got bailed out of a DG pick in the end zone with a PI call. With the ball on the 9 yard line we decided to pass, which sailed out the back of the end zone, run with an injured DG, who shockingly further injured himself, and then throw another shitty pass with said injured DG and this resulting in a missed chip shot field goal. This is what I mean when I say coaches lost us this game. We ran down their throats that drive and DG even completed passes, albeit short 5 yarders. We then decide to stray away from our bread and butter on the 9. I don’t know about you guys but this loss makes me feel uneasy about our OC

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      Also shockingly our true freshman quarterback gets into a game against a good D and shits the bed. Not surprising at all. Does anyone else wish our head coach was an offensive mastermind instead of a defensive one?

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        Yes, I’d only consider offensive coaches for most college jobs

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        You realize the attitude you’re presenting here. Are you not?

        You’re essentially saying a kid didn’t man up and hold onto the ball as several large people were breaking his knee… and it’s the coach’s fault.

        That is in line with everything you’ve presented as a critique up to now.

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          And that’s not even mentioning that Blount wouldn’t have been in that position if the refs had done their job and called the facemask… that everyone in the stadium could see… and had a couple Utah coaches rolling their eyes in relief.

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            Did the kid put himself in the game?

            Or did a coach?

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            I’m talking about the fact he threw a ball almost out of Reser yesterday, was so far above our reveivers head. Obviously fumble wasn’t his fault.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Each of our QBs did that. One of them did it without the wind and rain.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Re the presser: Who were the last two kids that were interviewed?

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      Bright is on the right. Dont know the other guy off hand

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        Thanks Nb

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        Re the kid on the left: Horowitz of the Statesman quoted inside linebacker Manase Hungalu (he’s # 55) and that’s what the kid on the left said.

  • angry angry says:
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    At around the 5:30 mark in the presser, GA basically says he doesn’t think wind/direction on the coin flip matters. o.O

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      It’s a game of inches, you need to execute in all phases, players make plays, blah blah blah.

      Wind direction? Fuck it.

  • angry angry says:
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    Bolden seems like a nice guy.

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      I’ve been impressed with him as a person.

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        He could possibly be a coach one day. I think he’ll go the the NFL as a late draft pick/kick returner.

  • angry angry says:
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    Any word or early rumors on what the QB injuries are?

  • angry angry says:
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    I went to the Husker board this morning to let them know this is the height of their season. They’re not going to be happy, but since they’re comparing Riley to Osborne it seemed like a good time for reality check.

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      Haha, these poor bastards:

      Here is the true reality. Mike Riley consistently over achieved at your program in a big big way and you guys got too used to it and are now seeing the grass is definitely not greener. You got recruits because they wanted to play for him, not because they wanted to be a Beaver. We are seeing that effect with guys like Keyshawn Jr and pulling the top California QBs out 2 years in a row. Given the biggest recruiting budget and top notch facilities, he is showing what he can get his players to do; players he didn’t even recruit. You can come here and call these games eggs, but Oregon State is the bottom feeder of the Pac 12, and every win should be treated like an upset. Conversely, you didn’t get the right to call his losses eggs because you should be happy to be within smelling distance of a winning record. All I can say is thanks for coach Riley and good luck on your search for greener grass.

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        Riley will be out of coaching in five years max.

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        Oh, those poor arrogant bastards. This will be delicious to watch.

        File that drivel away for safekeeping until the end of this year and/or next year, angry

      • Jack Jack says:
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        That’s about as ignorant of our past as I’ve ever seen.

        Mike Riley is not a good football coach when he doesn’t have good players. When he had some very good players, he could not get over the hump. When he couldn’t get over the hump, he gave up.

        And every one of his teams will reflect this pattern eventually.

        Regarding NU’s undefeated record thus far, we will beat Nikegon more soundly and more efficiently than they did. We would also beat every other team they have played thus far. That’s not to say we would beat NU. That’s to say their schedule makes Washington’s schedule look stout.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    On a related note, check out Bright O’s tweet at the top of the Twitter feed. He links to Cook’s late 4th quarter play where he crushes 2 Utah players on a nice run and states “it’s about time they let the bull out of it’s cage”.

    Sounds like maybe the players are just as confused about the coaching staff’s choices as we are.

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      Yikes.

      I really don’t understand what coaches are thinking, unless Cooks somehow put himself in the doghouse through behavior.

    • BlackBeav says:
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      I’m just happy other people, not including us, are noticing how much better McM is than Blount. Still pissed we played a true frosh over McM for no reason other than coaches playing favorites.

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        I’d like to hear a reporter ask the question directly.

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        If the coaches are playing favorites, the players know it. It seems that’s what we see from the outside based on these kooky decisions. Clearly some players are frustrated with coaching decisions. If the whole receiving core is frustrated that might explain some of the drops (conscious or not). There were still many Garretson over-throws. Mannion would have dropped those balls over the receivers shoulders at least in near-stride. If a player has been here that long he’s going to get frustrated.

        The play calling early in the game didn’t account enough for the weather. GA needs to know enough about the offense to step in when there is a problem. That might qualify as nepotism. The other stuff is bias, which i’ve complained about before when qb’s started disappearing. I’ll point out Del Rio has positive rushing yards this season.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        That’s a straw man.

        You are upset at your own imagination.

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    All I saw from McM was a nice ball thrown to his first option in what was significantly better weather than the other QB’s had. He also had a few plays where he stared down his receiver the entire time and almost threw an INT.

    From what I remember of him in his HS tape and last year and what I saw yesterday, he has all the physical attributes, but the decision making just isn’t there. For example, the guy threw the ball when he was 5 yards past the LOS on the second to last play of the game.

    I know you all really want us to have someone that’s The Answer at QB, but this group is just as bad at passing as what we had last year.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      He’s far from perfect, but he passes more accurate and catchable balls than any other qb we have. Its not even close.
      And he made completions when Utah’s D knew passing was our only option to get back in the game.

      Garretson may have had the weather excuse yesterday, but what about every other game he’s played in this year? His passing has been every bit as bad as yesterday, aside from the handful of short yardage passes he has completed.
      Garretson’s stare downs and throws to the first option have been every bit as glaring, but the ball is also uncatchable more often than not.
      I think all we’re saying is McM has outperformed the other QBs on the field so far, and shouldn’t be the 3rd stringer.

      Interesting storyline this week is Moran’s redshirt watch. If Garretson and Blount ate unavailable, and if McM gets knocked out of the game for 1 play even, do we bring Moran out, or do we go with Collins and ask him to wing it?

      Doubtful McM plays every snap next week vs that Husky pass rush. If Moran plays saturday, is he suddenly our guy the rest of the year, for development purposes?

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        If it was up to me, I’d plan on running Seth or even Wily-Matagi at QB and have them run some sort of option offense before I burned Moran’s redshirt.

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          Moran has been struggling in practice, per reports.

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            Right. And he’s a bit of a rail.

            The only reason to play him would be of legitimate chance of winning, which hasn’t been on display in practice reports.

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            Too funny that our QB by the end of next weekend could end up being the guy who left the team because we didnt want him playing QB, and came back to the team because his new team didnt want him playing QB.

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            What reports?

            We heard something about throwing an interception in fall camp.

            And he very well could be struggling. He’s a true frosh. He’s also likely better than all three of our other options while also struggling.

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            I’d line StHC back up as qb before I’d burn Moran’s redshirt.

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      Did you miss his TD pass? That was a very well thrown ball. I’m not saying he is going to be the answer long term, but Garrettson is a dumpster fire in the passing game and it has nothing to do with weather. It’s in his head now.

      McM was basically given one complete game last year and he managed the game adequately with arm and legs and the team scored 42 points. I think he deserves more chances until recruiting improves.

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        See, that’s my point. Just because DG has been bad doesn’t mean the backups are any better.

        We went through this last year with StS. We all (myself included) cried for a backup, any backup, instead of the current guy, and look what we ended up with.

        Sometimes the answer is that there is no answer. We need to run the ball more and figure out a wider variety of ways to do that. Period.

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    Suns out guns out. Time for y’all to pay the price

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    Deja vu all over again… This is shaping up as a re-run of my last year. A quick mid-October uptick with an unexpected win over Stanford, then a slow, miserable slide to a final 2-9. JB

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      There was no uptick after that win. Nobody even saw the game. It might have created an uptick had it come three years earlier.

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    I was watching the game online (Ukranian friends) and it was at times glitchy………was there ever a replay of the Sean Harlow personal foul? Seemed like it was glossed over by the announcing team. I have no idea what he did. Also, I am getting so fucking confused on offensive holding, I guess it’s ok to grab jersey at the shoulder pad and hold on to it, because Utah has perfected that technique.

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      Agreed. No one in the stadium around me was aware of what happened. Harlow was right in front of us. That was a drive killer when we had good field position. Refs killed us there.

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        No one in my section understood that call either, although, they were also confused by the delay of game on the defense call too.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        One thing that IS an improvement, team plays hard, all game long. They may be overmatched and out schemed but they fight.

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      Absolutely no clue what Harlow was called for. I watched that play over and over when I got home because I figured they just had the number wrong. I saw nothing anywhere on the field that came close to being a personal foul.

      Does anyone know what happened there?

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        It looked like he punched the defender in the side of the head right off the snap, or at least open hand shoved his head very hard. Didn’t look intentional and was probably aiming for his shoulder pad.

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          Nope. Trust me. I’ve watched it many times. He put his hand under the defender’s arm and moved him like he was taught. They had to see someone else do something and just called the wrong number.

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            But Collins is the only player unaccounted on the TV view. So what did he do?

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    Horowitz catching on, “Garretson…was supposed to be an upgrade as a passer. That hasn’t materialized.”

    http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/2016/10/15/beavers-remain-upbeat-despite-close-loss-no-21-utah/92173804/

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    Just looked at our qb ratings. It’s not funny.

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    We offered a tall juco wr today. Seems like a curious offer to make, unless theyre looking to replace JV. Wonder if something more is up with jv other than poor production this year?

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      It’s strange because JV had a great attitude with the new staff and used to be a good WR. I don’t understand what happened.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Seems like a candidate for Grad transfer next year, if he’s caught up academically. JV to Nebraska?

        • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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          That seems like one kid on this team who has thrown in the towel. Based on his recent play can’t say I’d miss him

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        Really tough as a wideout to play well with QBs that don’t throw on time or accurately. When you do finally see a ball that is thrown when and where it should they are probably surprised. Definitely a mental thing but you see average receivers look great with a good QB, stands to reason good receivers can look bad with an average or bad QB.

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          When you do finally see a ball that is thrown when and where it should they are probably surprised.

          Saying why a receiver loses focus is not a valid defense for a receiver losing focus. That maybe works on the intramural level, but not on the FCS+ levels.

          Players make plays. Players who fail to make plays because it’s all about their victimhood don’t get to play.

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    Beavs open as 31.5 point dogs next week. I’d actually take those points despite all the issues.

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    My Utah writeup was spot on, but change 300yards passing to 200 due to wind (when I wrote it didn’t know about that issue). Where’s angry@angry et al?

    Washington game probably won’t be as bad as people think. My early feeling is something like 45-20.

  • osbeavs says:
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    Just as a point of reassurance for folks.

    We have 2 losses to ranked teams. Colorado should absolutely be ranked. Minnesota is a decent team and we took them to the wire. Despite all of the coaching slips, talent issues, etc we have reason to hope of the future. No team plays error free football in college. I am encouraged for the future by this. If the overall talent level improves some of these losses turn into wins. Not to mention some of our coaching tendencies may be good things when we have more talent on the roster.

    Regarding QB: Lets not forget that Garretson has been clutch for this team with gritty play and well-timed pull downs. It is not his fault that the coaches call deep passing plays when he is limited. McM may turn out to be a better passer but craftiness is as important to the QB position as anything. We have all discussed that here, sure hope McM has it.

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      On the moral victory front: I’d much rather watch that than the Colorado game.

      Also, beavs had 6 tfl vs Utahs 3.

      Though, I’m worried garretson will be playing gimpy, and then what?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        On the moral victory front:

        We are good enough that we can make all the same mistakes and still beat the second best team in our conference… if we have a good QB.

        One player could make a difference as soon as this year. If that doesn’t have you feeling giddy, I don’t know what would.

        Now we have to suffer through the rest of the season not having that one player. Even if Moran will be that guy next year, why would we expect him to be that guy this year?

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Garretson seems like a nice kid, but on his best day he doesn’t throw well. A qb has a lot of responsibilities, and has to possess a lot of skills, the most important is throwing accurately to the right player

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      I disagree. The most important in our new system is game management, followed by misdirection.

      Getting the ball to any open spaces downfield by run or pass is set up by those two first.

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    “MEDICAL BULLETIN FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE”

    Some dude in Santa Barbara a.k.a. “AngryBeav has been placed on the injured reserve list due a shoulder injury caused by excessive “self patting on the back.”

    Defined in medical literature as “the shoulder joint is sub-laxed in a pronated posture and herniated in the anterior venus maximus conjection with the vena-medilla ligature with light bruising in the upper shoulder. yadda-yadda-yadda” AMA Journal May 12, 2014 Chap 12.

    Rehabilitation usually occurs in intelligent people by; awareness or getting the next one wrong.

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    here’s my take. QB play under Garretson has been improved over last year, or at least perceived to have improved under Garretson, but NOT because he’s a better passer. That seems to be now demonstrably untrue. Rather, Garretson is playing with a better line and more to the point he is MUCH better than Collins in making zone read decisions on whether to hand off, keep, etc. In that role Seth always seems to make the wrong read or was inclined to call his own number too much. I strongly agree with the new consensus that Anderson and his coaches have bungled the QB roster the last two years, starting with running Del Rio off. I went to a couple of those open scrimmages and he seemed quick footed and could get to the outside. He might not have been the greatest passer, but then, no one else has either.

    • Burritodam says:
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      Del rios rushing stats aren’t great this year, but they are in positive territory.

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        Nine runs for eleven yards.

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          let me re-state my idea: Del Rio was good enough of a “runner” to be credible in a read-option offense, which, if I’m not mistaken, is what Florida uses. the subsidiary point, pursuant to Angry’s “trust Riley’s choice in qb’s,” is that though an adequate “runner” he is s a better “thrower” than Seth, Garretson, McMaryon, etc. We’d be better off with him that we are without him

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            We would?

            He’s not exactly lights out down there with a much better O-line, better skill players and against really bad teams.

  • angry angry says:
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    This is basically Nebraska fans, just insert Mike Riley for Raymond Shaw:

  • angry angry says:
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    Nebraska banned me from the boneyard:

    “I made it only a few posts into this before I decided to go ahead and ban you for the duration of the season. You come over here purely to get a reaction. You have no interest in anything but that. It’s classic trolling.

    Additionally, you link our competitors recruiting rankings. You say you don’t want to talk about the Beavers. All of this is indicative of a lack of respect and is unneeded. If you want to engage Nebraska fans, you’re welcome to do so on any other site, but you’re no longer welcome here.

    Thanks.”

    Hahaha. I really wasn’t trolling them. The telecaster said Nebby fans were comparing Riley to Osborne, so I had to go over there and let them know the 2nd half of the season likely won’t go as well.
    All the pay sites have such low tolerance. Paywall really encourages censorship. Gotta get those memberships!

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Funny, I cam across this tweet earlier and thought to myself, “I wonder if that was Angry?”

      https://twitter.com/mikejschaefer/status/787821709575331840

      Sounds like the same “reporter” had some beef with a player who was saying he hated dealing with reporters from the recruiting sites. Seems like this guy is all sorts of butthurt tonight.

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      I haven’t followed the Husker stuff this season. Do any of them admit that the team has played a very weak schedule so far and it’s a very soft 6-0? That’s reality and not conjecture. It reminds me of the season that Notre Dame went undefeated and Alabama blew them out in the NC. You knew ND was a decent team, but not NC caliber, but you couldn’t tell the fans or media that.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      What is the boneyard?

      Is it a place you go to find flawed and/or damaged product at a deeply discounted price?

      • WFO WFO says:
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        No you find flawed product at a premium price and you tell yourself it’s great because you paid so much for it.

        But at least the people who don’t have to pay for it any more are relieved.

        TPB.

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    Eggers is saying theyre prepping Moran as the backup QB, with Collins also getting some QB reps this week.

    http://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/327685-207092-all-sorts-of-questions-surround-osu-football

    • wannabeav says:
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      I know it’s accepted dogma that burning red-shirts is a bad idea but I’ve never been convinced of it. it’s conceivable that some of the newcomers are better players that those ahead of them on the depth chart and besides which, any experience gained this year makes them better players next.

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        OK for some but at this point I only want one more redshirt burned at max and it is not Moran’s. McMaryion is fine for this year. We aren’t going bowling. Get Moran experience early on nonconference next year and get 4 good years out of him.

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          Given your handle, one would think you have a clue about the shelf life of a tippy-toe artist like MM in our offense.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Eggers…
      “From what we’ve seen so far from Garretson, McMaryion may be the most accurate thrower among the OSU signal-callers, and he has some experience running the Beaver spread attack.”

      That about sums it up.

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    My thoughts on the new ‘Oregon State’ logo above the lockerrom entrance. Looked at on its own it is fine and would give a 8 out of 10. However, it detracts the eye enoufh from the beaver logo on the doors that was by itself the week before versus Cal. Thought as was it was nearly a 10 out of 10. Because of the whole area being slightly busy now I would have to give the new ‘Oregon State’ logo a 7 out of 10 in its total effect and the beaver logo on doors gets lowered to a 8.2 out of 10 because it now doesn’t stand out as crisp. Understand the intention was good and like them both on certain merits but the end result is not stronger than before. Just look at them separately and your eyes will be happier and be fine with it.

  • wannabeav says:
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    the line vs. UW opened up this morning at 29. My mid-afternoon it was 31.5 and tonight 32.5. The line will approach 40 by Friday. As it is it’s the largest spread for UW vs. a conference opponent since 1994. Back to the dark ages.

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      I hate betting on the beavs but the D is playing well enough that I might have to take the points on anything over 4 touchdowns..

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      Why would this be back to “dark ages”? The Beavers just battled a Top 25 team toe to toe. I would say the line is more a reality of the current situation. Huskies just beat the Ducks by 49 on the road and are looking like the class of the P-12. The Beavs have injuries to key players. It’s not a good match up for the Beavs right now, that’s about all it says about the line.

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    Kicker Garrett Owens tweets “I take responsibility for that loss. It won’t happen again.”
    No excuses, no claims of bad snaps, bad weather, over 50 yards etc.

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    Canzano reoorts Garretson having surgery for broken. One in foot tomorrow

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    The game grades from Phil Steele’s page has been updated. Here’s where all 128 teams stand.
    As always, sorry that it doesn’t line up properly but posting that with alignment is about as easy as getting angry to post a topic that says everything in Beaver Nation’s 100% great (if you get the drift 😉 ). ANYWAY…

    CONFERENCE – Team Grade Average
    [Division – Division Grade Average (Rank among all divisions)
    Overall Rank. Team Name. Game Grade. Projected Final Overall Record.

    ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE – 89.84
    [ATLANTIC DIVISION – 92.90 (#2)]
    1. Louisville Cardinals 113.1 11-1
    5. Clemson Tigers 103.0 12-0
    9. Florida State Seminoles 97.8 9-3
    23. NC State Wolfpack 93.7 6-6
    67. Syracuse Orange 82.4 3-9
    71. Wake Forest Demon Deacons 82.1 8-4
    81. Boston College Eagles 78.2 5-7
    [COASTAL DIVISION – 86.77 (#6)]
    19. Virginia Tech Hokies 94.8 9-3
    21. Miami FL Hurricanes 94.4 10-2
    36. North Carolina Tar Heels 88.8 10-2
    50. Pittsburgh Panthers 85.8 7-5
    52. Duke Blue Devils 84.9 3-9
    62. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 82.8 6-6
    85. Virginia Cavaliers 75.9 2-10

    SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE – 89.57
    [WEST DIVISION – 95.66 (#1)]
    3. Alabama Crimson Tide 112.5 12-0
    7. Auburn Tigers 99.8 8-4
    12. LSU Tigers 97.3 7-5
    14. Texas A&M Aggies 95.7 11-1
    24. Mississippi Rebels 93.1 7-5
    40. Arkansas Razorbacks 87.9 7-5
    59. Mississippi State Bulldogs 83.3 4-8
    [EAST DIVISION – 83.49 (#8)]
    22. Florida Gators 93.8 7-4
    37. Tennessee Volunteers 88.8 10-2
    39. Missouri Tigers 88.4 7-5
    56. Georgia Bulldogs 83.9 7-5
    82. South Carolina Gamecocks 77.9 4-8
    86. Vanderbilt Commodores 75.8 4-8
    87. Kentucky Wildcats 75.8 4-8

    PAC-12 CONFERENCE – 88.87
    [SOUTH DIVISION – 89.82 (#3)]
    6. Colorado Buffaloes 102.5 10-2
    16. USC Trojans 95.5 7-5
    26. UCLA Bruins 92.5 7-5
    41. Utah Utes 87.4 7-5
    70. Arizona Wildcats 82.1 3-9
    78. Arizona State Sun Devils 78.9 7-5
    [NORTH DIVISION – 87.92 (#5)]
    13. Washington Huskies 96.4 12-0
    15. Washington State Cougars 95.6 8-4
    32. Stanford Cardinal 89.8 9-3
    44. California Golden Bears 86.8 4-8
    63. Oregon Ducks 82.8 4-8
    84. Oregon State Beavers 76.1 2-10

    BIG 12 CONFERENCE – 87.85
    10. Oklahoma Sooners 97.6 10-2
    17. Baylor Bears 95.3 11-1
    20. West Virginia Mountaineers 94.8 8-4
    30. TCU Horned Frogs 89.9 7-5
    33. Texas Longhorns 89.7 6-6
    35. Kansas State Wildcats 89.4 7-5
    38. Oklahoma State Cowboys 88.5 7-5
    42. Texas Tech Red Raiders 87.2 5-7
    83. Iowa State Cyclones 76.8 2-10
    108. Kansas Jayhawks 69.3 1-11

    BIG TEN CONFERENCE – 86.58
    [EAST DIVISION – 89.54 (#4)]
    2. Michigan Wolverines 112.8 11-1
    4. Ohio State Buckeyes 110.9 12-0
    46. Indiana Hoosiers 86.4 5-7
    47. Penn State Nittany Lions 86.4 8-4
    72. Maryland Terrapins 82.0 7-5
    75. Michigan State Spartans 79.8 4-8
    110. Rutgers Scarlet Knights 68.5 2-10
    [WEST DIVISION – 83.60 (#7)]
    8. Wisconsin Badgers 98.7 10-2
    28. Nebraska Cornhuskers 90.8 10-2
    64. Northwestern Wildcats 82.5 6-6
    65. Minnesota Golden Gophers 82.5 8-4
    68. Iowa Hawkeyes 82.3 7-5
    80. Illinois Fighting Illini 78.3 2-10
    105. Purdue Boilermakers 70.2 3-9

    FBS INDEPENDENTS – 82.65
    29. Army West Point Black Knights 90.0 8-4
    34. BYU Cougars 89.5 8-4
    49. Notre Dame Fighting Irish 86.0 4-8
    118. Massachusetts Minutemen 65.1 2-10

    AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE – 82.36
    [WEST DIVISION – 82.47 (#10)]
    11. Houston Cougars 97.4 10-2
    45. Memphis Tigers 86.6 9-3
    60. Tulsa Golden Hurricane 83.2 7-5
    76. Navy Midshipmen 79.3 7-5
    96. SMU Mustangs 74.5 2-10
    99. Tulane Green Wave 73.8 4-8
    [EAST DIVISION – 82.25 (#11)]
    31. USF Bulls 89.8 11-1
    43. UCF Knights 86.9 7-5
    54. East Carolina Pirates 84.2 4-8
    58. Temple Owls 83.5 8-4
    94. Connecticut Huskies 74.7 4-8
    97. Cincinnati Bearcats 74.4 4-8

    MOUNTAIN WEST CONFERENCE – 75.66
    [MOUNTAIN DIVISION – 79.58 (#12)]
    27. Boise State Broncos 90.8 12-0
    66. Air Force Falcons 82.5 8-4
    77. Utah State Aggies 79.1 6-6
    89. Colorado State Rams 75.7 5-7
    92. New Mexico Lobos 74.7 7-5
    93. Wyoming Cowboys 74.7 5-7
    [WEST DIVISION – 71.73 (#14)]
    57. San Diego State Aztecs 83.6 11-1
    91. UNLV Rebels 74.9 7-5
    101. Hawai’i Warriors 71.6 4-9
    111. Fresno State Bulldogs 68.1 3-9
    112. San Jose Spartans 67.7 2-10
    121. Nevada Wolfpack 64.5 3-9

    MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE – 75.15
    [WEST DIVISION – 82.51 (#9)]
    18. Western Michigan Broncos 95.2 12-0
    25. Toledo Rockets 92.9 10-2
    73. Central Michigan Chippewas 81.9 9-3
    88. Ball State Cardinals 75.7 6-6
    90. Eastern Michigan Eagles 75.2 7-5
    98. Northern Illinois Huskies 74.2 3-9
    [EAST DIVISION – 67.78 (#16)]
    95. Ohio Bobcats 74.5 6-6
    102. Akron Zips 71.2 8-4
    106. Kent State Golden Flashes 69.8 4-8
    109. Miami OH Redhawks 68.9 3-9
    120. Bowling Green Falcons 64.6 2-10
    128. Buffalo Bulls 57.7 1-11

    CONFERENCE USA – 71.89
    [EAST DIVISION – 72.16 (#13)]
    51. Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders 85.0 9-3
    61. WKU Hilltoppers 82.9 9-3
    79. Old Dominion Monarchs 78.4 8-4
    115. Marshall Thundering Herd 67.1 4-8
    119. FIU Golden Panthers 64.9 3-9
    122. Charlotte 49ers 64.4 2-10
    125. Florida Atlantic Owls 62.4 2-10
    [WEST DIVISION – 71.68 (#15)]
    53. Louisiana Tech Bulldogs 84.7 9-3
    55. Southern Miss Golden Eagles 84.1 8-4
    107. UTSA Roadrunners 69.7 6-6
    117. North Texas Mean Green 65.4 4-8
    123. Rice Owls 63.2 4-8
    124. UTEP Miners 63.0 2-10

    SUN BELT CONFERENCE – 71.49
    48. Troy Trojans 86.1 11-1
    69. Appalachian State Mountaineers 82.2 8-4
    74. Georgia Southern Eagles 79.9 7-5
    100. South Alabama Jaguars 73.6 7-5
    103. Arkansas State Red Wolves 71.2 7-5
    104. Georgia State Panthers 70.8 4-8
    113. ULM Warhawks 67.5 3-9
    114. UL Lafayette Ragin’ Cajuns 67.2 4-8
    116. Idaho Vandals 67.0 5-7
    126. New Mexico State Aggies 61.4 2-10
    127. Texas State Bobcats 59.5 3-9

  • Noghri says:
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    If you think McM is the best QB on the roster you must be the only one. When he came into the game I was thinking “man this guy sucks” only to have someone a few row behind me yell “oh not this guy” which got a chuckle from the entire crowd

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      What did you guys say about Garretson?

      Last time you saw McM, he nearly led your team to a come from behind victory at Autzen, while half the roster watched from Corvallis. Not sure why he’d deserve that type of response

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        Can we stop with this bullshit narrative that McMaryion was the reason that OSU played well against Oregon last year? What made things effective that game:

        – Ryan Nall doing what Ryan Nall does best
        – Seth Collins being effectively utilized in a Wildcat role (something the current offensive play-callers can’t seem to figure out for whatever reason)
        – Oregon’s defense was really bad.

        All that said, I still fully support him being the starter. The other options haven’t proven effective up to this point, he made a full decent throws at the end of the Utah game, so at this point, why not?

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          OK, didn’t lead in the stat department, but lead in the sense that he was under center in that game and that wasn’t the point of the post.
          (plus, his Civil War stats weren’t terrible- I’d take a 7.3 average yard per attempt any day. Against Utah he average 8.4 yards per attempt)

          McMaryion stats from Civil War
          11 for 21 passing. 154 yards. 7.3 average. 0 TD 1 INT. Also had 1 rushing TD

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            I believe there was a big play dropped in that game, too. Can’t remember if it was that game since there were so many drops. I know McM should have had a TD in the first game he played but there was a drop there as well on a perfect ball/over the shoulder (think it was Villamin).

            McM in the CW managed the game well. He played better than the numbers and looked the part.

            Washington might sack him a lot and force turnovers, so then we’ll hear he stinks…the guy gets dealt bad draws and the coaches give him no rope. It’s poor treatment, tbh.

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            For reference, I checked on DG’s Average for the season. 4.2 yards. Ranks dead last in college football out of 125 QBs, and the next closest guy averages 4.9. Ouch….

            http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt/count/121

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            In the CW, the big play i remember that got dropped was Seth at receiver dropping a deep end zone throw from MCM, but the ducks bailed us out with a taunting penalty, which ultimately led to McMaryion’s rushing TD.

            There could have been other drops though. that’s just the big one i remember.

    • angry angry says:
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      Well that proves it.

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      The truth is, there is no QB on our roster who is good enough at all aspects to lead this team to a victory. And I’m including Moran in this because he is still too green. But it’s not just the QBs as others have pointed out. We don’t have any receivers who are good enough to catch poorly thrown balls. The only way this team wins another game is with defense and running the ball. And I mean everyone running the ball: Nall, Pierce, Cook, Lucas, Bolden, Collins, and whoever is taking the snap (maybe even Porebski).

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        I agree almost 100%.

        Moran may be a wildcard at this point. His size doesn’t set up well for wear given how wily he would need to be as that too green player. So I would also bet against him being ready. But you just never know until you know.

        Our identity is as a running team. And we’re getting to be pretty good at it. But we can’t just dump the passing game altogether. There were a couple plays where Utah lined up against us like they were coming to block a punt because they knew with the weather that we couldn’t pass and with the lead they didn’t need to.

        I don’t care what your strength is or what the play call is when you step under center and see those type of formations. If you’re not calling an audible to try and take what they are giving you on a silver platter, then do you say you have a competitive bone in your body?

        As soon as the wind died, we started taking advantage of Utah’s halftime adjustment. We just ran out of time.

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          Yeah, I understand using pass plays to set up the run and vice versa. But at this point I don’t think teams are too worried about our pass plays. They’ll likely just bring the house when it looks like we’re going to pass and scare the crap out of whatever QB we have in. There are teams out there who run it most of the time and there’s nothing you can do about it. I’d love to see us get there some day. I think we have the RBs for it, but I know our o-line is not quite to that level yet.

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            It’s actually the opposite. We run to set up the pass. And we have to take advantage of that set-up, or the run is no longer of any value against a good or better front seven.

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            meh… vice versa

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        The book is still being written on McM and Moran. McMaryion is only a sophomore who’s thrown like 50 career balls. No way the book is closed.

        Blount looked decent, but since he’s a walk-on there’s a lot of bias against him. He should get another look, though.

        We can probably close the book on Garrettson.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I agree that MM didn’t get a fair shake last year. And I knew attrition would lead to him getting time again this year, one way or the other. I just don’t know if he can stay upright over several games. He does some cringe-worthy things when he pulls it down or is on the move.

          • Doozeldorf says:
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            Well, MM is finally going to get a real shot. He has to be the starter for the next several games unless we bring in a decent JC real soon or the coaches decide (incorrectly again) that Collins is still better than MM.

  • mckalk says:
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    Speaking of MR, Purdue just fired their head coach mid-season. I don’t know, maybe they will play inspired against Aw Schucks or it is probably another nice break for Biley. It’s a game NU should win easily but they layed a complete egg last year against the Boilermakers.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      It’s Purdue. They would be a nice break for us.

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        The funny thing is they have two QB transfers starting at P5 schools.
        Not surprised he got fired, but they should have let him play out the year and see what happened.
        New AD………from GT.

  • angry angry says:
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    California hit me with $60 in fines for driving on RT 73, some toll road that I had no idea was a toll road and had no signage. Fuck this State. The regulation here is oppressive. I’m moving up to Oregon.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      And get arrested for felonious gas pumping? 10-15 years for touching a gas nozzle.

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        at least one can still pump their own diesel. So Oregon has that going for it. Which is nice.

        Yes I know what you’re thinking beavergopher

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I don’t understand. I love not pumping my own gas. It’s a pain in the ass to get out of the car and pay and pump and wash my own windshield when all I want is gas.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Umm… I don’t think the Orange County toll roads are what you want to go after as some big brother thing. They are the shining model of what a private-public partnership should be. They are the result of the asshats who populate the OC wanting to enrich crony contractors on the public’s dime… without actually paying the taxes necessary for such a project… so they always say.

      If you want a good chuckle, go look up Kiewit Corporation and read the name of their CEO.

      Good luck finding much info on TCA, the real owner of those roads and the true bane of your mailbox.

      They do need to make it clear that you are entering the road. I got caught in one with no turnaround. When I got to the gate, there was no place to pay the toll and no information available from a person or any signs. And it wasn’t like you could stop anywhere to figure out what was going on. Suffice it to say, I found out like you how a private corporation was gorging themselves on the public teat and further eroding what government once provided for a modest tax.

      And then I went online and found out if you register with them they will reduce the fine to $9… and I will immediately request a new credit card from my bank… and look for the class action suit that certainly comes from this latest example of “I got mine” Capitalism.

      http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=31248#.WAUHIbylzIU

  • ean says:
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    I’ve been hearing Mason Moran has not impressed in scout team work. I almost think the Beavers need to take 2 QBs in the next class. Not sure this Willard guy will be ready to compete right away. Should be instant playing time available if the staff can find a P5 level guy.

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      Willards mechanics are iffy and he has a low completion %.
      I don’t like the signing. I could be wrong — there is limited film and people have made up excuses for his low completion %. Too many unknowns there. On film I see him running around a lot and he looks strong armed, almost like a Jake Locker (very light edition). So I get why GA might be intrigued, but I don’t think GA and crew can afford to speculate or take a project. So, for that reason I don’t like the signing and think we can do better. Maybe I’m wrong and we can’t do better. I’m not sure we’ll be able to add a quality Pac QB this late in the process. Are there any big names even on our radar?
      We need to take 2 every cycle at this point until we get the position established.

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        I haven’t seen or heard anything on Willard so I was just throwing his name out there since it doesn’t seem like OSU has a P5 QB on their roster. GA has got to find something.

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        So our QB has a broken foot?

      • youngorst says:
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        Angry,

        Having coached high school for several years when I read about low numbers its a strong indicator that he has very little talent around him.

        I haven’t seen much of his film but the numbers don’t concern me at all.

        That said, he should not even be considered a potential starter in 2017, true frosh QBs shouldn’t start. I am of the opinion that even Collins could have been salvaged as a QB if the coaching staff had redshirted him and work on specific flaws in his game for a year before he even needed to worry about seeing the field. Unless they are a once in a generation QB (and OSU ain’t getting those) they need to commit to redshirting at that position.

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      They absolutely need a JUCO or graduate transfer QB. Otherwise all the other JUCO recruiting will be for naught. Expecting Moran (even if he is going to be good) to be the man as a redshirt Frosh is foolish and no way are Blount or Garrettson the guy.

      I’ve heard nothing about JUCO QBs sadly.

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        One thing it seems like some keep forgetting is that Garrettson is just a junior. Given the staff’s love for him (or nepotism), what’s to keep him from winning the job as a senior next season? Can we say unequivocally that the staff will not be fine with DG, McM, Blount and Moran next season. That four QB’s for next season already. I wouldn’t put anything past this staff.

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          They might be, I won’t be though. And if they are that is not a good sign for the future in my view.

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          He’s going to lose a lot of ground rehabbing from that broken foot.

  • youngorst says:
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    I would like to see OSU going harder after John Bledsoe, he is committed to Northern Arizona but OSU has been in contact, he is one of the smartest high school QBs I’ve been around (no surprise given the pedigree) and given a couple years in the system I think he would make a quality college QB even at the PAC level. If I were OSU even if I wasn’t willing to offer a scholarship I’d be aggressive in talking him out of taking the scholarship from an FCS school and walk on at a PAC school. If he came to Corvallis I bet he’d start as a junior/senior. Not his dad by any means but he has the brains to play QB at any level, give him time to develop and he will make it in the PAC.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Agreed on Bledsoe, except I think you underestimate his true abilities as well as how he will mature in the next couple years. Obviously, I also think anyone who doesn’t offer him is missing the same.
      http://www.hudl.com/video/3/4426014/57e6bb793bd8140b84c479f7
      If that kid’s interested in your program, you go get that kid. I don’t know what the hang-up is, if any.

      Brandt Hughes was another mystery player. I’m thinking he must be some greyshirt plant for Cal or something. I don’t know how anyone (especially Cal) misses on that kid.

      And there’s Judd Erickson from Colorado. Look at the arm on this kid.
      http://www.hudl.com/video/3/3814712/57d898fd3bd8155b48a9d03a
      I read in an article that he has zero offers for football and an offer for LAX at AFA. He said something about not being a runner. But aren’t you conditioned to run for good lengths in LAX? I’ll see if I can find that article.

      • youngorst says:
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        I’ve actually coached him so I’m more critical of him than maybe is fair.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          That’s fair. He doesn’t have an NFL arm… yet. I suspect he has a little filling in to do and will surprise a lot of people in the future.

          Meanwhile, he does have an FBS arm and exhibits good vision and decision making (on a highlight film). What sell me on him are his play-action, footwork and ball placement.

          • youngorst says:
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            On the sidelines he talks like someone who has played FBS or even NFL football. He knows his stuff.

            That highlight film hurt, a couple of those plays were against me, I changed schools this year so took a coaching job across town, it was easier being on his side.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            So you’re saying on top of everything I see (or think I see), he’s not going to have a communication problem with his coaches on any level?

            Next you’re going to tell me he’s also great with time management and great at organizing the O at the line.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Article on Erickson:
        http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/22/judd-erickson-mountain-vista-quarterback/

      • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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        Anybody know much about this Zach Schmerber kid out of Westview/Sunset in Beaverton?

        He’s skinny, but his stats are pretty nice, with a 72% completion percentage last year and 66% this year. Averaging about 9 yards per pass attempt too.

        http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3174724/zac-schmerber

        http://highschoolsports.oregonlive.com/player/zach-schmerber/stats/football/fall-2016/

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I’ve heard of him but don’t know the circumstances of his inconsistencies–missing receivers, better Ds and such. Off the top of my head, those stats could mean Sherwood has some great D and could scheme for the first game of the year. And then he became more efficient once he started playing teams who were of lesser talent and had only a week to prepare. And he’s not exactly mobile… on the HS level.

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    I’ll post these questions/comments here since Angry took offense at my posting them on the new thread.

    1) Does Tim Cook have one more year of eligibility after this year (i.e. medical redshirt)?

    2) What about Tuli Wily-Matagi at QB? He doesn’t look all that bad as a QB in his highlight video. Is he redshirting this year?

    Would it make more sense to start getting Tuli Wily-Matagi ready as the back-up and try not to burn Moran’s redshirt? Right now I’m thinking it would.

    Who else do they have to be QB for the scout team?

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Tuli W-M has been in 3 games already (as of 10-8) per the OSU stats. I think he also was in the Utah game, so that would make 4 games and no red shirt. See page 5 of the linked PDF.
      http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/oregonstate.sidearmsports.com/documents/2016/10/9/2016_Season_Stats.pdf?id=5261

      And, yes, burning Moran’s redshirt is a bad idea, IMHO.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Cook would have to apply for and be granted a medical hardship. That hasnt been determined yet as far as i know.
      Seems like he should be eligible based on missing all of 2015 with that torn pectoral, but i dont know how the transfers and juco years play into his eligibility. He was originally class of 2012 so 2017 would be year 6 for him.

      I think Matagi redshirted last year. He was class of 2015.
      Matagi hasn’t taken any snaps at QB up to this point, at least according to the limited practice reports. Seems like Seth makes the most sense, and then move Bradford over to fill his WR opening. Bradford had 1 rush for 4 yards vs Boise but we havent seen him since. His redshirt is already off.

      Blount was the scout team QB until he jumped to 2nd string. Then it would have been Moran or MCM. So now??
      Maybe Moevao steps in for practice?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Probably Keeton.

        Cook will be eligible for and will likely get the medical hardship

        Wily-Matagi saved the first TD drive with a fumble recovery.

    • Burritodam says:
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      I believe Cook will know if he gets a medical after this season.

      Wily-matagis HS stats aren’t great, but sounded like they were a run-first team with a new coach and an offensive identity crisis. I was thinking they could do something with him though, but Seth would be my first choice. His qb rating last year is as good as garretsons right now.

      • Burritodam says:
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        Scratch that: Seth had a 108 qb rating last year; garretsons is 87 this year. Perhaps not curiously, mcm is 163.

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    Sucks what happened to darell because he was bound to have a break through game. Also sucks to lose Blount but personally thought McM was better than him. Maybe now our passing game is better?

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