02.Feb.2017 Spring Ball Thread

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Curious to hear what you guys are looking for in spring ball?

My list:

  1. Who will step up on the offensive line?
  2. Which WRs will make a move to replace last years poor corps?
  3. Will McM be able to hang on to the job? My feeling is the coaches want Luton to win it.
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  • Theboneyard says:
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    1st!
    Anyone have depth chart predictions?

  • BeaverQB BeaverQB says:
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    Aw, nuts!

    Second. 🙁

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    I’m really not too concerned with our WR corp. We have so many options. True freshman WRs generally need a year before thay make a real impact, so I dont expect Hodgins or Taylor to play a huge role this season. Think about how much Brandin Cooks improved from freshman to sophomore year. He even used to comment on how much he grew in that 1st year.
    Hodgins is going from playing against a playoff team that literally had “School for the Deaf” in their name, to playing against UW and USC. That’s a steep learning curve.

    Villy and Jarmon need to play to their portential, while Bradford and Timmy take the majority of the other catches. A healthy Togiai will be nice too.

    O-line is my top concern.
    Offensive coaching is my #2. Too many cooks in the kitchen without a top chef? How does having 3/4 partial coordinators on offense work in year 1 together?

    I think our defense as a unit is going to be pretty solid this year. I really like that our guys hit hard and swarm to the ball quickly.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Agree with your top concern and your expectation of a solid D this year.

      As said, I think Center is the most critical piece of the O-Line puzzle. Is it between Yanni and Sumner Houston? With Kearsley gone, I haven’t heard of other options.

  • Bill says:
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    Look for Collins to redshirt. He’s nowhere near fully recovered and a year off would be extremely beneficial. He’d still practice but not play in games.

  • angry angry says:
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    I don’t understand Luton.

    Luton wound up at Idaho, where he redshirted his first year, then served as backup to sophomore starter Matt Linehan in 2015. As a redshirt freshman, Luton completed 51 of 80 passes for 403 yards and one touchdown with four interceptions. He also ran 27 times for 73 yards and five TDs.

    In a 56-34 loss at Auburn in the penultimate game that season, Luton played the second half, completing 14 of 18 passes for 164 yards and a touchdown with a pick. He also rushed eight times for 45 yards and a TD.

    “Jake had a play on SportsCenter’s ‘Top 10’ list that night,” Barton says.

    But Luton knew he wasn’t going to beat out Linehan, who will be a senior at Idaho next season. So Luton transferred to Ventura to get some game experience.

    He knew he wasn’t going to beat out the Idaho QB? Prior to that, they write that he has confidence bordering on cockiness, and his coach calls him “A next level guy”. So how does a guy with confidence and next level ability not beat out the Idaho QB?

    It’s just a bizarre story. Add to it that nobody else really offered him…
    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/343239-223334-oregon-states-new-qb-jake-luton-has-upside-big-dreams-and-big-goals

    I find him the most puzzling recruit in the class.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Petrino told him he wouldn’t? Idaho also won 8 games this year, so there’s that.

    • dwill03 dwill03 says:
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      Yeah, I’ve felt the same way. Never really get excited about JC QB’s as the competition can be so bad. Almost worse then good high schools at times.

      Hopefully we have the next Aaron Rodgers on our hands. But I feel fine with McM at the helm if Luton doesn’t pan out.

      • angry angry says:
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        Speaking of Rodgers, look how bad the NFL is at analyzing players. We think the recruiting services are bad. This is worse.

        https://www.quora.com/How-did-Aaron-Rodgers-get-recruited-to-Cal

        A lot of those guys had pedigree and thus all the draft day bias we talked about in the prior thread.

        • Bill says:
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          Rodgers is an exception to the rule. And he didn’t exactly light it up right away. He sat for THREE years behind Favre. If top draft picks did that, they probably would realize their upside more often than not.

          I’m never high on JC QBs because they have to learn a lot in a short period of time. The program he was at matters too. If he transferred from a good school to a JC, then I have a little bit higher expectations.

          I do expect Luton to see action, but mostly because of the injury track record of the QBs on the roster.

    • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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      Sounds like the Idaho coach was kind of Riley-ish in that the senior was going to play period. What I see is he has no patience. Hopefully the kid will be a star.

      • Reverend Beav says:
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        What about when Mannion played over Katz? That was a season I wish Riley had stuck with the older guy.

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          I agree…even if it was not a popular opinion at the time. Caught a bit of flack for that but Katz was our best chance to win that year.

  • BoiseBeav says:
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    Matt Linehan is the Idaho QB he was behind and his dad Scott Linehan played there, it was gonna be pretty challenging to beat him out with his families ties to the program.

    • angry angry says:
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      Oh, makes sense. More nepotism. Gross.

      • MB says:
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        Nepotism….but Linehan was also a very good qb at Idaho. What is gross about that? If both are equally good, should you not start the veteran and have the younger guy waiting in the wings? This story looks different from the perspective of the decision at the time and the decision today. We cannot really live in a “Back to the Future” scenario. But it all makes sense now and does appear that the Beavers were ahead of the pack on this guy.

  • ChrisOSAlum ChrisOSAlum says:
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    3. Markus has grown into a more solid game manager. I have confidence in him especially since he started to look to run more. I hope he continues to improve at the same rate because he could be very solid in in the future. He seems to have the three qualities GA has discussed, speed smarts and arm.

    I don’t like the uncertainty surrounding quarterback competitions for Unnamed Starters but the competition is good for their growth.

    MMM has earned the starting spot and should continue there through the beginning of the season. Lutton needs evaluation in practice. If he is really good and learns the system he should get worked into some games for experience. He could be one injury from starting. It’s a huge step up in competition so he is still an unknown. But the coaches and eval services should be fairly accurate- just not a guarantee.

    Am I captain obvious here? My 2 cents. And no personal bias- performance leadership

  • ChrisOSAlum ChrisOSAlum says:
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    On the recruiting class. Perhaps we get too caught up in the class ranking. IMO the coaches balanced the team better by filling positions of need with high quality players and people. Hopefully he is recruiting a better team and not a ragtag thrown together last minute class of Premadonnas with ratings too high for their egos. Remember that work effort combined with talent is what places an average of 2.9 star athletes on the NFL playoff teams.

    • JockItch JockItch says:
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      Posted this on last thread….
      Makes me think of Vince Young, and how the mental part of the game is so important. He had been told he was the best for years, was great in college, up until he was actually average in the NFL — mentally he couldn’t handle being average, he was a mess and never could lead an NFL team.
      I would take a guy who has the mentality that they need to work for everything, constant improvement, over a guy who thinks he is the best, because he was told so his whole life.
      The Patriots are a good example of an organization that finds guys (Julian Edleman – Kent State, Malcolm Butler – West Alabama). We need to have these types of guys in each unit to have a championship caliber team.

      • angry angry says:
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        Vince Young had awful mechanics. Any GM who drafted him was blinded by the pedigree and TX connection, because if you look at the guy throw and then see his IQ, you know he will fail. To call him average in the NFL is a compliment. He was awful, imo.

  • Micah says:
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    I really believe that villamin and jarmon will be GO too. Villamin had an awful season last year but I think he will have a turn around season. Hunted jarmon was hurt like the whole last year he was a former four star recruit and in the one game he played in last season he looked really good. Hernandez will be average he will go in make a good catch and that will be often but he won’t be spectacular. Hodgins will be getting playing time but won’t be amazing Taylor too, I expect Bradford to step up and get 400-600 yards recieving.. Noah togiai should be a game changer. Now all we need is a good QB to helm the offense and we will end up with 7-8 wins if that happens.

    • angry angry says:
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      I’ve always liked Jarmon. Not sure why he never gets a chance. He had a long TD vs Stanford a few years ago.

      • Reverend Beavand says:
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        And a great TD catch on the first drive at Michigan. Suckered me into thinking we had a shot in that game.

    • Lancer says:
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      A talented WR combined with a consistent TE? That creates mismatches.

  • ChrisOSAlum ChrisOSAlum says:
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    I must confess that I read AB backwards… cue the jokes.

    Frequent reader- seldom commenter. Love this blog. Totally addicted.

  • helmsley says:
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    tuned into the game . . . I swear, all the other teams’ players look like they are 30 years old and the Beavs, for the most part, appear like young lads.

  • Ryan says:
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    Watching the men’s basketball game. 23-23 with 3 minutes to go in 1st half. They played better on the road. Playing alright so far.

    • scotty says:
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      Just playing us is probably killing Arizona’s RPI. Imagine what’ll happen if they lose!

      • Ryan says:
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        I’ve watched the Beavs last three games. They are looking improved in every area. Does not reflect in a win yet. But like how are bigs are playing tonight.

        • Beavlover69 says:
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          I’m seeing the same thing. Relieved to see that the team is continuing to grind regardless of the result. Reminds me of the football program. All the major sports at OSU right now have solid coaching staffs. Easy to be excited for the future

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Sorry. I tuned in at the beginning of the second half.

    • ChrisOSAlum ChrisOSAlum says:
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      Me too. Admirable effort. Good game plan. Good effort. Out talented in the end

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    Are we short-changing Darell Garretson? He seems to be the forgotten man. I don’t know how I feel about it but it feels like its been a long, strange trip for him (that isn’t quite over yet).

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Imo Garretson played himself out of the starting job and should have been benched earlier in the year.

      Not impressed with the coaching decisions at QB but I’ve already said that about a dozen times.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        He looked hurt to me. Ribs or shoulder or something that kept him from putting any zip on the ball at all. His 2 year old highlights from Utah state looked way better than anything he did last year.

        It’ll be interesting.

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          Good point. Hopefully the coaches will give everyone a fair shot at it. Imo the talent (or lack thereof) on the OL and what they are (and aren’t) capable of doing should weigh heavily in deciding which QB should be starting. For example, if they can pass block but can’t run block worth a damn then….. etc. etc.

        • ChrisOSAlum ChrisOSAlum says:
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          Agree, but are there any insiders who can attest to his injuries? They are not spoken of to the
          Media.

  • Bill says:
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    Baseball roster up. No surprises.

    Lots of competition for spots. If freshman pitchers can step up, it’s going to be a great season.

  • Reverend Beav says:
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    Yes! I think he was shell shocked and playing hurt from the opener on didn’t help him. Hope he has his confidence back. I think a confident DG can still be our best guy.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Seems like confidence/leadership was supposed to be his strong point. Time will tell, just hope for honest and open competition.

      • Reverend Beav says:
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        Agreed Oldbeav. It seems Chuckie Keaton is GA ‘s only success story in his HC career. Hope that changes next year. College football is al lot about the QB.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    OT: toilet seat crew,
    Slick Buddha Willie may have found a replacement for the drunk. Dameyune Craig just got fired from LSU after less than a year. Surprise, he is reputed to be a great recruiter!

    Willie is building a salesforce, we’ll see if they can coach X’s and O’s and manage a team.

    • ChrisOSAlum ChrisOSAlum says:
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      Another old Beav… who can’t sleep.

      Slick Willie can talk but can he walk the walk? I was really underwhelmed by his introduction. I think he’s a questionable hire. The kind of guy who rides on other people’s coat tails. But then again that’s what I thought of David Shaw who seems to be a good coach.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        I’m still not convinced that Shaw is a good coach.

        • JockItch JockItch says:
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          Seems like an average coach with very talented players. Put it this way….I’m convinced GA beats Shaw head to head with the same players.

    • beavers4life beavers4life says:
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      I’ve always felt that recruiting is held up by 4 pillars:

      1) The ability to relate to high school and JC coaches. If the coaches trust you and know you on a personal level, it’s easier to get their players to talk to you and trust you as well. It becomes personal at this point.

      2) The amount and way you keep in contact with those you’re interested in, but not constant to where it gets to feel like you’re smothering them with desperation. It needs to feel natural in what you discuss with them and it’s not always about football. Remember, you’re coaching them for on and off the field.

      3) Get the players and parents on board with what the program is about and where it’s going. If it’s flash with the latest greatest, or building something to where you leave a legacy? What motivates the player to play at the collegiate level is what will help determine if your team and university is a good fit.

      4) Does the university have the degree you want or a degree program you’re remotely interested in completing because you actual enjoy the field( e.g. engineering, business, science, etc.)

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Spring will be all about cobbling together an OL. Finding the right guys for each spot and getting some idea where the new guys will have to fill in. Ultimately, that position group will determine how the season goes. I hope GA and crew have not predetermined that Luton is the guy and force feed him into the spot like they did with Seth here and the JC he brought in at Wisconsin. MM has earned the right to be the starter. DG is an ideal backup.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      I won’t be surprised if it takes some time for the OL to solidify (hopefully it does) and during that time the odds of the QB getting injured are greatly increased. Which is kind of a bummer for MM if he does start the season as the starter.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    OT: Has anybody gone to the Surprise, AZ baseball tourney? Are tickets hard to get or can you just walk up? Anything else to do in that part of the Phoenix metro, or is it early bird dinner heaven with all the retirees immediately surrounding that area?

    • wannabeav says:
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      you can just walk up. capacity for that stadium is probably around 12,000, give or take a grand, and there weren’t more than 2-3k in attendance when I was there two or three years ago. Lots of room to wander around and take in the game from various angles, including some great seats out in left field adjacent to the bull pen.

      Surprise is definitely on the western fringe of the PHX metro area. Can’t remember the name of the main drag heading east to PHX but there are lots of watering holes.

  • wannabeav says:
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    by the way, Ted Miller on ESPN has a feature on his blog re-measuring the Pac 12 classes from three years ago. It’s truly enlightening to see the “stars” attached to certain players. The one that stood out to me was Nick Mitchell–a three star guy (supposedly). We now know better. You’ll recognize a some names and rankings (like Nall and Bright, two other 3 star guys) but a lot of names have since disappeared from the roster, even (for some) with two years of eligibility left. Look at that list and remember that this was Riley’s last class. Perhaps oneoldbeav can post a link to it.

  • dwill03 dwill03 says:
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    Regarding spring ball: OL is where it’s at. Feel pretty good about all other position groups.

    I have a feeling Sumner Houston will make a solid center and will probably pass up Yanni (or at least give him a run for his money.)

    Brandel and Lavaka will be staples for the next few years. Lauina will be servicable: 3 year starter at this point.

    You’d have to think Delp and Fifita should be close to ready now. Trent Moore looked good technique wise out of high school but was too small at the time. He’s now up to proper 300 lb weight.

    Add in the JC kids and IMO Woods will get a solid rotation out there.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      The Houston move is at least intriguing. He would add immediate athleticism and intelligence to the group. We’ll see how that transfers to him being viable or better. At the very least, Yanni can come back to that position with some experience and another year of physical development. How he watches and understands tape is going to be vastly different to how he did this time last year.

      I think Brandel is the future at LT. He also gets to move back there after learning what it takes (though not quite having it) to succeed there.

      Lavaka has earned his LG spot. He can concentrate on fitness and technique. And if his learning curve is as sharp as it was from high school (when he really sucked) to now, he’ll be an All Pro OG by his junior year. Lauina did provide serviceable back-up efforts late in the season when Gus went down. So that position seems to be solid two deep for now.

      C could be Yanni or Houston, as mentioned above. Woods could also throw leftover interior linemen at the positiion. Or maybe he’s thinking he can build a C from Cordasco, who has great drive and combat but is just raw. I also wouldn’t count Moore out if the staff thinks we now have depth enough at OT. I would count him out because I think we don’t have said depth. But maybe the idea is less about depth and more about putting the best players on the field and letting the depth work itself out.

      I expect Delp to step forward at RG. He now has the tools to be successful there. If he’s surpassed by someone like Fifita, the hope is that’s because the soph is just better than the junior there.

      And at RT will, or should be, the better of Hopkins and Moore.

      Sattelmaier – I honestly don’t know what to think of this pick-up. I don’t think he’s soft. But I don’t think he’s a good OT by any stretch. The second play on his highlight reel is a hold because he gets beat. And Woods talks of him as finishing a play while showing him standing around not finishing a play. He is a big body and has some skills. He’s not an answer on the left side unless that means we’re just hoping Brandel stays healthy.

      Cordasco – His tape suggests he’s physically mature, active and athletic. But he’s so raw. Interviews with him show that he overestimates his athleticism. But he could be a great pulling or drive blocking OG. Woods talked about him adding immediate help at OT. So I’m thinking Hopkins will be what he’s been for three years, the back-up at LT. And Moore and Cordasco fight it out for RT.

      Hopefully redshirting:
      Lutu-Clarke – Woods says he’s destined for interior lineman. I’m fine with that. If we go out and find better OTs than him, we’re swimming in gravy. And we get an interior technician with great size who will get incrementally better from year to year.

      Mackay – He is the best athlete of the OL group this year. And he was first team all-state at Brandel’s old job. He has everything we want in terms of size, strength, agility and attitude. He just needs a year to book the system and develop more consistent technique. I know he’s hard to locate on tape. But if you look for where there seems to be an inordinate amount of activity, he’s usually the instigator. He certainly plays through the whistle. There was even one clip where he drove some poor kid out of frame, and everyone standing around after a play turned to look in their direction as if someone didn’t like being pushed out of frame. I also like that he hunts for and chases blocks on the second level. I always giggle when TV announcers talk about some OL who breaks into the second level and stands there looking for someone to hit as a good or great play. Mackay gets there, identifies a new target, then proceeds to run after that guy. Some of his victims’ reactions are kinda funny.

      Wellsfry – Maybe I need a better video on this kid. I see him as equal to Sattelmaier, but with some technique… and no delusions about being a T. So by the time he’s a junior, he will be miles ahead of what Sattelmaier is now. He looks like he doesn’t have the strength to do what he wants to do. I also wouldn’t say he has any outstanding athleticism. But he does have a natural feel for the game. A year of strength training would make him look like a real OG. But I am worried about the tape I watched (Hudl). He would often be standing around as the play was still happening. On one play he was watching the ball and oblivious to action on his right… until it almost rolled up on him.

      • Theboneyard says:
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        You forgot Launia (sp?)

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Thanks Jack, good write up of OLine.

        I thought Sattelmaier looked slow for Pac competition, maybe move to guard but could he pull?

        • angry angry says:
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          Yes, good writeup. I think the preps show promise.
          I’m not at all thrilled with the JC guys, but hope I’m wrong. Analyzing OL is hard, to be fair. Their bodies change so much over the training period that things can change radically. Hope so for our benefit as I have both JCs as 2star talents. Let’s hope they have some intangible that makes them better than that.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I’m thinking we need ST linemen. And if he takes this criticism well, he has the size to be something more than the 6’3″, 270# OT level he plays at. This is why I’m confused and Woods is a coach… other than the fact a standard deviation of 20% is an excellent target to get paid a whole bunch of money.

          I wish I knew back then that sports would pay so much. What an easy life.

          Anyway… yeah… I see Stanton at RT success with this one. And I don’t see Stanton at RG success to follow once all the switcheroos take place.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    OT: Baseball……….CWS

    USF Director of Athletics Scott Sidwell has been appointed as the chair of the NCAA baseball selection committee for the upcoming season. He succeeds South Alabama Athletic Director Dr. Joel Erdmann as the head of the national committee responsible for selecting the 64 teams who will participate in the NCAA Baseball Tournament in June.

    OK, a guy from west of the rockies may be helpful. HOWEVER, this guy chaired the West regional advisory committee which allowed Meggs to do his dirty work.

    http://www.collegebaseballdaily.com/2017/01/23/san-francisco-ad-scott-sidwell-named-chair-of-ncaa-baseball-selection-committee/

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    As I recall……. Back in either the Erickson or Riley era there was one year where a couple of linemen had been offered Preferred Walk-On status at ?Oklahoma? and the Beavs offered them a scholly. The other school (OK?) came up with a scholly for one of the kids but the other one actually attended OSU. That was a long time ago so I probably don’t have all the facts right.

    Is there any chance the coaching staff is sniffing around and looking for a similar situation?

    I should add that there’s no correlation to my using the word sniffing and my profile picture.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    McM needs to work on his core and arm strength, Andersen wants to compliment the power run game with down field throwing. I like that.

    May the best qb win. Both will play, Garretson the odd man out.

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      I don’t know what to make of Garretson. He was pretty good early in game 1. Then he got hurt.
      I think he has some value as a backup. I can see him being #2 or #3. The problem is we have no clue on Luton. Way too hard to evaluate him which makes QB depth hard to guess.

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        I think he’s progressing from a veer offense. Give him 6 games at Pac level and see if his growth continues. I think it will, if the OLine can turn Nall/Pierce loose..

        Loved MMcM’s development, but have to keep in context defenses against which he prevailed (and poor WR play)…I hope he gets a fair shot, just as every player should bases on performance.

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          “he” being Luton…I think Garretson has good intangibles, limited physical sbility, and stabilizes depth.

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        Not that the school roster is gospel, but here are the heights listed for QB’s:
        McM 6’1
        Garretson 6’0
        Blount 6’1
        Moran 6’3
        Luton 6’7

        So, Luton has a significant height advantage. FWIW

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          Less tipped passes at the line of scrimmage; will need to what Luton’s ceiling is.

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          Garretson isn’t 6′. He’s not much below, but he’s not a sixer on first look.

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          I think Blount is another wildcard. I doubt he’ll beat out MM this year, but I think he’ll push the pack pretty well. Is he still a PWO or has GA offered him a scholly yet? If he doesn’t have a ship yet he’ll probably play with a chip on his shoulder.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT – Boston/LA NBA on the TV in the background…looks like jr. High ratball. Who watches this stuff and why?!?

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      It’s awful. I can only guess people watch NBA because they placed bets and want an excuse to drink beer. Don’t think I’ve watched an NBA game in 20 years.

  • JockItch JockItch says:
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    Love Beaver baseball…. can’t wait.
    http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/2016-snubs-oregon-state-unc-seek-return-past-glory-days/#eTjD5cX8OBusWDie.97

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    OT: WBB vs The Realtor
    7pm PAC12
    Will she bust a high heel tonight??

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Foreclosure at 7pm…..

      • JockItch JockItch says:
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        Versus Stanford and Washington — So Beavs with better record overall, beat both teams head to head, and still behind in the rankings. #1 reason why I hate college sports when it comes to rankings — rankings are fucking opinions.

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    Does Charley have two black eyes? I have no idea how to get through to Pac-12 announcers in SF but could someone please teach them how to say Oregon STATE?

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Dispute with a mortgage banker, I think she won out!

  • BlackBeav says:
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    Smh if the NBA is ratball than half of college hoops is chickens running around with their heads cut off. I would much rather watch the most elite of the elite play basketball than walk on players who can barely dunk and have jump shots that look more broke than a bum.

  • angry angry says:
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    I got an exclusive pre-game interview with Arizona State’s head coach.

  • angry angry says:
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    And an exclusive post-game interview:

  • Reverend Beav says:
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    Anyone else impressed with the lack of off the field issues since GA took over? Can’t think of any police blotter or a suspension since the coaching change.

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      Guyton got kicked but he was the only one.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Well, Rev, now you’ve done it! I hope there is lots of “knocking on wood” as this thread is read.

      Seriously, I hope and expect that GA is gonna handle any off field issues (when, not if) they come up much better than Slick Willie (or is it Will?). I’ve wasted some time lately over at the big O reading comments on Canzano’s piece about Willie. Seems we (no surprise) have another chapter of the TPB’s organization in full force at phil’s place.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    I got an exclusive with someone complaining about our POTUS acting like Pauley Shore if he were a dick.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Note: Yes by America is a much different song.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      I meet Pauley Shore, he was a dick.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Meh… jazz hands are just a distraction. I like how he politicized the death of a sailor at a prayer breakfast and made no mention of the 10 children and eight women who died in that abortion of an unwarranted and invasive raid. But he had to play with his new and shiny SEAL team toy. And the best wisdom he could gather from all of it was that a casket getting pinned was beautiful.
        http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/07/the_modern_machiavelli.html

        • helmsley says:
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          I like to keep the site for Beav sports (which causes me to mention that wbb doesn’t seem all that solid right now; missed layups, turnovers – what’s the deal w Mikayla Pivec – hurt? she started and was in for only a few minutes) but I believe this BBC Newshour extra (radio) re: Steve Bannon is worth a listen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04qx7vv

          • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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            There aren’t any easy games in the Pac 12. We just beat the Dux back to back and a sold team on the road. They may not be clicking on all cylinders but are finding ways to win. I’ll take a lull now in order to be playing our best come tournament time.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            We’re just a joke overseas. Frankly, we’re just a joke. Keeping campaign promises is one thing. Incompetence, malfeasance and bold face type lies are a whole different game. And the malevolence with which they’re dispatched isn’t even coordinated.

            What’s our banana republic strongman going to do next? Is he going to first attack then dismantle the courts like other nations’ leaders have done? That would be too predictable. I’d love to see him go after Judge Judy and her ratings… since he has nothing better to do.

            I can’t wait for the corruption scandals to hit. I saw Jaime Dimon (who should be in prison) was advising the very un-swampy man-child on banking regulations.

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            best get to building your underground safe space bunker then. Sooner the better!!!

          • Jack Jack says:
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            heh heh…

            Should I buy gold too?

          • cj cj says:
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            Jack,
            If you keep talking like that about the liberals and snowflakes….they’ll get you!

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I am a liberal.

            But I’m not worried about the snowflakes. Just because their man is POTUS doesn’t mean they’re smart enough to do anything. But they sure do whine incessantly for supposedly being in charge of stuff. I guess that should have been expected because they voted against their own self-interest because *sniffle* their feelings were *sob* hurt by those leebrals *WHAAAAAA!!*

            Poor snowflakes.

          • Utopian safe space says:
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            Trump pooped in Jack’s sandbox. Much butthurt I sense

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You want butthurt? Remember where this all started? King Birther and the teabaggers told us who they were from the beginning with their shrill whining and their witty signage:
            https://goo.gl/images/vYufxH

            Those poor snowflakes were afraid of foreigners:
            http://www.cityprofile.com/forum/attachments/national-politics-debate/36043d1315940022-funny-political-cartoons-memes-05_full_600.jpg

            And they are still as stupid as they always were:
            http://b-i.forbesimg.com/peterjreilly/files/2013/06/govoutofmedicare6.jpg

            And now that they’re blowing shit up, you bunch of cucks just wanna Baghdad Bob it? That’s cool. It’s also typical.

            I didn’t think you all would get the extremely high comedy coming out of the White House right now. The best part is that it’s unintentionally comedic because it’s just so moronic. If you look for it, you can be as amused as I am. This tree has low hanging fruit and produces more daily.

            I took your cue and gave up on you too. Apathy affords me my amusement. It’s Super Bowl Sunday, and I’m just waiting to see what Dunderfuck the ego monster tweets next.

            I feel bad for the comedians, though. How can they top the lazy coastal elite trust fund brat?

            We’re only two weeks in. You haven’t even begun to see anything yet. Whenever I remind someone of that, I always wonder if Trump, good friend and supporter of the Clintons and an extreme lover of all that is media and Hollywood, is just doing this to destroy the GOP in one short string of idiotic edicts that fully endorse the ideology of the right, illogical unconstitutionalities and all.

          • jack mehoffer says:
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            Can you shut the fuck up now?

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Did you not read it?

            WE’RE ONLY TWO WEEKS IN.

            This is just the beginning. And the Trump White House is such a target rich environment for anyone who wants to pull threads that there just isn’t time to shut up about the last stupidity before the next one comes along. It’s a continuous stream of stupid, and that’s what anyone who comments on it will reflect when talking about it, even seriously.

            This is the new normal. This is what people voted for. Don’t go all snowflake on me now.

          • Utopian safe space says:
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            When’s the next whine fest? I mean protest. I read it but it was just a dumb op-ed piece with as much substance as this mornings dump.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Spicer takes the dais next on Monday.

            I agree, he is a shrill little whiner. I missed his op-ed. Is it as funny as his briefings?

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Wow! Okay.

            I just saw a clip of Melissa McCarthy on SNL doing Sean Spicer. I honestly didn’t know this existed until just now. So now I don’t feel bad for comedians. Apparently they can just do Spicer almost verbatim and pass it off as the same high comedy I was talking about. She even nailed his demeanor and body language.

            But I have to defend Spicer for originality and how he makes it seem real. SNL probably had to study that one single sequence for hours before they got it down. He just produces the same stuff organically.

            I actually feel a little bad for the nation because SNL’s sketch was almost exactly what occurred in that presser. Only a word or two were changed. But I know… I need to leave those feelings behind in this new world.

            Spicer should sue SNL for plagiarism.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Oh… there’s more.

            I was only talking about the sequence where he was talking about the ban being “your words.”

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    The Crazy Realtor had a bad open house. Somebody left the door open and a family of Beavers trashed the place.

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      After 20 years on the job, she seemed subdued last night. Not the wild distraction I remember from seeing her in person a couple years ago. Meds? Just different camera work? Hmmm

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    NCAA agrees to pay $208 million settlement in case brought on behalf of SA’s “who competed from 2009-10 through 2016-17 and did not receive a cost-of-attendance stipend.”

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/89a733e8662a41edb97fcac36b7ae204/ncaa-agrees-pay-208-million-settle-antitrust-lawsuit

  • Tinkle Duldrums says:
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    Tinkle shitting the bed this year. Getting blown out by ASU. C’mon. Barnes better watch things close next year. If we can’t get it done with Tinkle Jr & Ethan Thompson then Tinks needs to probably hit the road.

    • angry angry says:
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      No, he should get 3 more years at least. Dude got them to their first NCAA in 26 years with so so talent.
      This year is obviously a rebuild and the injuries exposing depth problems. The one thing I put squarely on Tinkle is recruiting Stacy. All his JC guys stink.

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        You don’t let a team shoot 60+% from the 3 point line and already have ten 3 pointers in the first half. You or I could bench players if we wanted to stop that. Could force them to take very unwise 3’s or go for 2’s only. Not that hard Angry. Coach and team are entirely unfocused. He’s just collecting a paycheck and nothing else right now. At a minimum they should be playing high energy with obvious purpose to stop the opponent on every possession. ASU is not very good and losing to them by 19 at half is an utter failure of effort.

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          They don’t have a point guard, which is on him. They know the season is lost and have given up. It’s normal to mentally break when you stink, though I don’t condone it. But either way, they’ll be fine next year.

          • Tinkle Duldrums says:
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            Seen two beavers have an easy rebound three times in the last two games but because they are both trying to get it themselves they end up knocking the ball out of bounds. How stupid is that? I could watch the Blazers for 82 games and only see this once. Just stupid basketball.

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          I think you mean “doldrums”

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    I feel bad for MP. He’s gotta spin another turd.

  • STEVE SCHITTZ says:
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    OK THIS BASKETBALL TEAM IS TRASH I HATE EVERYONE!@#$!%!!!

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Who ya got in the Puppy Bowl?

  • angry angry says:
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    Lady Beavs with a so so game but a hard fought win.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      The home game v. Stanford ought to be a good one…thinking maybe attendance record for WBB at Gill?

    • beavbutter says:
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      Contradictory post in contradict.

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      So so, and a win on the road. BUT 19 TO’s and 56% FT’s.
      Should have been able to play subs much more against AZ, however it was nice to see Pivec get 26 minutes and begin to look like the Pivec of early in the season.

  • beavbutter says:
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    Both times.

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    I fear Trump’s immigration policy will reduce the pool of hot Persians kitties here on Visas.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I don’t follow NFL too much and am curious if the “spygate” was verified and punished – loss of draft picks was it? Then there was “deflategate” but neither of incident, nor the combination of them, seem to detract from the Patriot’s “legacy” in mainstream media. Is it all exaggerated, or are the patriot’s simply cheaters?

    • angry angry says:
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      Having footballs inflated to the proper PSI didn’t seem to hold back Brady or the Pats this year…

    • scotty says:
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      If you think the stuff they got caught red-handed on is the only cheating they’ve perpetrated…

  • scotty says:
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    Anyone think Lady Gaga *won’t* mix some political crap in her performance? Anyone?

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      I’m not watching the game but, since I’ve heard a rumor that Lady Gaga is a female impersonator I can’t help but wonder if “it” is going to be flashing tits or balls or both.

    • angry angry says:
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      This game is boring.
      Lady Gaga wiggled her pussy for the cameraman, who was enthusiastic to get an “upskirt” shot.

      All around gross.

  • osu0209 says:
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    Blount with the fumble

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    Wanted Ben Howland after CR and it wasn’t even close. Ss soon as it was a possibility Oregon Staye should have been all in. He would have been an alnost duplicate of the Erickson situation and how well that turned out. Currently Howland ia 23-1 at Mississippi State. Oregon State got cheap at the wrong time. They’d rather overpay an average coach after one good year following several duds then pay the right guy who can truly transform a program. Beavs would not do worse then NIT under Howland and would have been likely to make multiple NCAA Tourneys. He is a high calibre coach who recruits true athletes and is in the Top 5-10 coaches in the NCAA that knows the inner workings of the game and how to coach a team for high success. Tinkle isn’t in the Top 70 in this respect IMO. He’d be the 3rd rung of the ladder while Howland is either the top or at worse the next to top rung on a 10 rung ladder.

    Not securing his services when it was within reach shows Oregon State was amateurishly managed by BDC for men’s hoops. Pray that Barnes keeps a short leash and is willing to go for a truly transformative hire the next time around.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      Lol oh man….so since you used the women’s basketball team’s record when grading Ben Howland, can I do the same for Tinkle?

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        Hard to understand a downvote on your comment correcting the OP’s misstatement of Howlands current record. Perhaps an innocent “fat fingered” error?
        Your research and critical thinking are valued here.

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    Eric Musselman’s name was mentioned here as a possible replacement for CR so because of that I’ve been monitoring how he’s doing with the Nevada team. So far, so good.

    If Tinkle continues to step on his dick for another year or two maybe…….

  • scotty says:
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    Must’ve bugged the locker room at halftime

  • angry angry says:
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    That should end the discussions whether Brady is the best ever.

    • JockItch JockItch says:
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      Dude gets an asterisk….he’s a cheat.

      • scotty says:
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        Yep… Belichick and Brady are the best ever at football, like Lance Armstrong is the best ever at cycling.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Best ever at what?

      If Atlanta just runs the ball, they win easily.

      If Atlanta calls the exact same plays and the refs do their jobs correctly, Atlanta probably wins 31-26.

      Brady didn’t deserve the MVP for that game either way. He was gifted so much luck and ref blindness in that game that it didn’t remove how just plain ugly that whole game actually turned out to be.

      And Atlanta doesn’t even get to claim the biggest championship choke job of the last year. So they lose out on that too.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        And if you’re going to defend all the PI and D-holding as textbook calls, fine. I’m not even arguing that those calls were wrong. I’ll go so far as to say that Torrie Holt and Isaac Bruce agree with you. New England was running obvious pick and OPI plays that a HS ref would likely get in trouble for missing something so obvious.

        But that just made the game really ugly. The non-call that really pissed me off was the obvious chop-block Bennet performed. That non-call essentially killed Atlanta’s pass rush for the rest of the game. That single play give me pause if I were considering hiring Matt Patricia as a coach.

        And then there was the obvious facemask on 3rd and 23. I would have called a facemask on the receiver as well. And it would have still been offsetting. And Atlanta could go back and decide to just run a draw like they should have done in the first place.

        Man! What kind of stupid do you have to be to pass on that call? Didn’t they know they were trying to win a Super Bowl?

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Congratulations to the Atlanta Falcons. First half super bowl champions.

    Failcons

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    That was a choke job for the ages.

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      just brutal. And to think Quinn was on the Seahawks staff in that epic failure two years ago. I see Chip Kelly is rumored to replace Shanahan as Atlanta OC.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      I was watching the SB LI and then it switched to the Alamo Bowl!

  • Bill says:
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    Women’s team is #6 in the RPI rankings. Outside shot at #1 seed.

    UCLA/Stanford game tonight. UCLA win gives OSU, the outright conference lead.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Tree loses to UCLA in WBB. Beavs alone in first.

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