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      • Yeah. Flohoops charges something like $30 for a 1 month subscription.
        Somebody told me it was on firstrowsports yesterday but I didnt get to tune in for the 2nd half

  1. PHIL STEELE REPORT:

    #107 Oregon State Beavers at #39 Washington Huskies, 11/17/2018

    Last year after leading just 7-0 at halftime, the Huskies took a 42-0 lead in the 4Q (OSU gbg TD with 3:23 left) and UW won on the road 42-7 (-27.5). OSU has dropped 6 consecutive games in this series (1-5 ATS) by 29 ppg. Last time here the Beavers trailed 31-0 at halftime but only lost 41-17 (+36). UW may have the Apple Cup on deck but is fresh off a bye and playing their home finale while Oregon State (little depth) is playing a 6th straight week and just faced a physical Stanford team that put up 596 yds & 48 points on OSU & have allowed 500 yds in all but 2 games this ssn & give up 552 ypg in Pac-12 play. UW’s strength is their D (#11) as they allow P12 foes to gain 95 ypg under their season average. UW is just 3-11 ATS going back to LY and are 1-5 as a DD favorite this ssn. UW needs to get their offense going as QB Browning has only thrown for 300+ yds one time this ssn (vs FCS North Dakota) & RB Gaskin has been in & out of the lineup due to injury.

    WASHINGTON 45 OREGON STATE 13

    POSITION BY POSITION EDGES:

    WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL:
    Oregon State QB/WR vs Washington DB’s: WASH +1.25
    Oregon State RB’s vs Washington LB’s: WASH +0.60
    Oregon State OL vs Washington DL: WASH +1.29

    WHEN WASHINGTON HAS THE BALL:
    Oregon State DB’s vs Washington QB/WR: WASH +2.31
    Oregon State LB’s vs Washington RB’s: WASH +2.64
    Oregon State DL vs Washington OL: WASH +2.45

    MISCELLANEOUS:
    Special Teams: WASH +0.13
    Kicking: WASH +0.59
    Coaching Staff: WASH +3.15

    POSITIONAL EDGE AWARDED TO: WASH +14.42

    PROJECTED BOX SCORE (ORST-WASH)
    Projected Rushing: 101-301
    Projected Passing: 168-263
    Projected Yardage Total: 269-564
    Projected Final Score: 11-45
    Experience Rankings: 73-7
    Team Schedule Strength: 25-31

    Las Vegas Line: Washington by 33
    Las Vegas Total: 58 Points
    +/- Ratings: Washington by 29.8
    Game Grade: Washington by 27.7
    Computer Yards: Washington 564-269
    Computer Points: Washington by 32

    Computer Projected Line: Washington by 32.5

  2. So, I’ve seen multiple articles posted about WBB player Destiny Slocum… they talk about her like she’s the second coming of Christ. Did I miss something? What’s her deal?

  3. Screw the negativity, Beavs win by 3, thanks Jordan.

    Hey law of averages says I gotta get one right some time…AKA blind squirrel/MR approach

  4. No one can get off blocks, no one knows what a pursuit angle is. Its almost like everyone is waiting on everyone else to make a play.

  5. Give me Beau Baldwin over this crap product. 129th out of 129 D1 defenses. Tibesar isn”t the answer. How many D2 teams would mop up this defense? Realistically Beavs defense playing bottom half of D2 level.

    Meanwhile Baldwin proved he can take on UW, UO and beat OSU on the road.

    Time to put these Beavs down.

          • Well… the excuse in 2015 was that we were playing with 54 frosh/redshirt frosh.

            They were nowhere near this bad.

            This is just bad. There is no excuse for this kind of play. Any one of us can be this good at that job for this whole year. And odds are any one of us would have just lucked into at least one more decent game.

            This is just ridiculously embarrassing. This is Avezanno bad… for a ton more money.

          • And it was noticeable in game one.

            Sure… people wanted to make excuses for why there was nobody in any zip code similar to any receiver or ball carrier. It’s tOSU. They must be awesome. That’s why our level of suck is at zero. We’d at least be a two against a normal team.

        • Nice one.

          So yeah, the beavs are giving up an extra yard per play on D versus last year and looking like a statistical anomaly. They’ve also been giving up 30-40% too many first downs for the last four seasons. Can’t really see what GA did to fix that. Is your diagnosis mostly teamwork and coaching deficiencies then?

          • It’s mostly coaching deficiencies which lead to zero teamwork.

            I’ve watched Willis shoot gaps hard and early for four years. They’ve almost always been the wrong gaps. But he’s been there. I don’t know who to blame for that. Was it who originally taught him on this level? Is it just a him thing?

            And then we get to watch our D as a whole run in different directions when the ball’s snapped. It would be decent if we were trying to cover all contingencies involving multiple balls. But I only ever see one ball on the field at a time. I’m not sure sure why half the team is running away from it… oh, you tricky stretch play, you.

  6. Choukair banks it in again. Lol… I’d much rather them go for it on 4th. This was a momentum turning drive and 3 isn’t going to cut it.

  7. Where’s Trajon Cooton on defense. Has he played in games? He redshirted last year right. Is he no good enough to get playing time on this awful defense?

    Someone fill me in.

    • If you’re going to watch crap product, why make it a relative experience? It’s still crap. Just because it’s better than our crap doesn’t mean it isn’t crap.

      So you’re essentially saying you would watch some other schools play crap football rather than watch our team play less than crap football.

      You’re a winner. You must get tired of all the winning.

    • People here have said that, and speculated he’d be granted one. Then others felt no way. I don’t keep up with the ever changing rules enough to know. Unless we land another highly rated QB, I’m hoping he does get one. Would make a good 2nd or 3rd stringer in a pinch.

      • I don’t know enough to know if Geddia is clearly better than Luton, so it can’t hurt to have him next year if he can get the waiver, seems like every team has a couple of six year guys.

      • There are 3 things working against him that disqualify players from receiving a medical waiver/redshirt.
        1. He already used a redshirt year when healthy his first season at Idaho
        2. He participated in more than 30% of the games last year before injury
        3. The 6th year of eligibility is only given to players who have missed more than 1 entire season with injury. If Luton had sat out all of this year recovering, he may have stood a slim chance.

        I am confident in saying he won’t be granted another year.

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  9. The quack attack with some “interesting” uniforms tonight. I’m wondering if they could have made the numbers any bigger and have them still fit on the jerseys.

      • If Luton had gone to a Div 2/3 school for a healthy 5 years he probably would have set a bunch of school/league records and had a legit shot at getting drafted/signed.

        • I agree. I also think he could have had power 5 success in the right system. Mike Leach would be able to utilize Luton’s strengths while being able to hide his weaknesses. Someone will give Luton a shot in an NFL camp next year.

          With that said I would prefer starting Blount next week and getting the run game established and then bring Luton off the bench as a change of pace with the passing game.

          • Luton’s greatest strengths are his size and ability to sometimes throw the ball very hard. But, his greatest weaknesses are the speed at which he processes both physically and mentally (slow, very slow), and therefore his ability to make decisions and stay grounded in his mechanics enough to be consistently accurate.

            I dissagree that an Air-raid system would have been the best fit for him, or that Leach or anyone else could have found lightning in a bottle with him at this level. Leach is pretty outspoken about how he views QBs for his system in that above all things you’ve got to be able to distribute the ball quickly and accurately with a great deal of consistency, which is where Luton struggles the most. Leach had plenty of opportunities to recruit Luton, it’s not like he was an unknown quantity, there’s a reason all Power 5 coaches sans GA took a hard pass.

            I like him and I’m glad he’s a beav, and you sure can see a lot of growth out of him under this staff and hope to see more of that if he somehow gets a hardship year, but when I watch him play I can’t help but see a guy that could have led an otherwise good/talented FCS team to the playoffs or been a career record setter at a Linfield or Western Oregon had he gone a different route. His size is a Power5 red-herring that GA unfortunately ate up.

          • “His size is a Power5 red-herring that GA unfortunately ate up.”
            Well said!

            What about the Rev’s suggestion that Blount start with Luton coming off the bench as a change of pace? Not sure about that, seems too obvious; but there is that “Colleto package” which also seems obvious an has had consistent success…….so far.

            I think Luton gets the nod because of the confidence the WR’s seem to have in him. Problem there is the tendency, too often, to neglect the run game.

          • “Leach is pretty outspoken about how he views QBs for his system in that above all things you’ve got to be able to distribute the ball quickly and accurately with a great deal of consistency, which is where Luton struggles the most.”

            You realize Luton completes 75%+ of his passes with a clean pocket. His only accuracy issues are when the pocket collapses from the interior and that’s where his lack of mobility hurts him because he retreats or throws off his back foot. I don’t care who did or didn’t recruit him. Baker Mayfield was a walk on and so was Jonathan Smith. Dennis Erickson wanted Luton and he seemed to know something about QB’s.

            Luton’s completion percentage ranks 6th in the Pac 12. Passing yards is 10th while playing in only parts of 7 games. His TD/Int ratio is 2nd. He’s a mediocre QB on the worst team in the conference. To argue that Luton isn’t a Pac 12 quality QB is ignorant.

          • Luton started doing the standing fetal position a couple games back. Against USC, it wasn’t obvious live. But rewatching on TV, he had a couple plays where he did the position just because the forward slide was taken away. And when he wasn’t hit, he went to another part of the pocket and did it again. And then he would try a Blount escape.

            And then I watch him hit some spectacular outs with rhythm, and I start thinking he might just have Hekker Syndrome–all the talent in the world under-utilized or ruined by ridiculous coaching and circumstances combined.

          • Yes, we’ve seen this too often in the past with Canfield, Anderson and Mannion. OSU historically lacks the ability to develop O lineman to protect a pocket passer. Personally, I favored Katz and Vaz over Mannion because of their ability to move in the pocket. Our scheme and current talent level favors a more mobile QB. When the pocket blows up Luton is helpless. He’s not mobile enough to escape so his options are to throw it away, go fetal, or retreat for the big sack. In his defense, there is rarely enough time to throw it away.

          • If there was time to go fetal twice on the same play before he eventually did what Blount does instinctively (run backward for a loss), then there’s time to pass.

            It’s really hard to blame Luton for anything when we run four wide on a 3rd and 1… and Bradford doesn’t close the line.

            That’s all coaching.

    • One of ASU’s top defenders had to sit out the first half last night, gotta think that may have made the difference. CW should be close.

  10. I did not get to watch the game until late. Already knew the final score so very little angst while watching it. Other than the 1st quarter I thought they played well. I even thought the defense played reasonably well after the 1st quarter. Seeing some improvement.

  11. WBB: Anyone watch the game? I notice that Grymek again had only 14 minutes, and a little surprised to see Destiny played only 18. After her last outing, Thropay this time hand zero steals.

    Upcoming tourney in BC may present the chance to face Notre Dame/and-or South Carolina. Great test.

    The gals seem pretty confident if you read their quotes. Rueck is focused on playing your best at tourney time, it will be interesting to see their reaction to their first loss, whenever it comes.

  12. A couple points on the UW loss:
    -Nice to see David Morris back in action, hopefully helps the D in the CW
    -Only 3 penalties for 25 yds, sign of a clean game as Dawgs only had 4.
    -Old Man Willis hasn’t lived up to my expectations, hope John McCartan does.

  13. Morris was sprinting around after he recovered the dropkick, but I didn’t notice any snaps on defense. Be nice to see if out there against the Ducks. Reichner was back, but I thought I read that he is not 100%. Hopefully, he can play more snaps also. McCartan is interesting, you don’t see many 6’5 linebackers. I wonder if he could ultimately help at DE as a hybrid?

  14. Tinkle can’t coach offense to save his life. This team should be way better offensively than it is. Every possession is just waiting for Stephen Thompson or Tres to go 1 on 1 for a bucket. They never get easy looks. Defense looks improved but offensively it’s ugly

    • Looks like they wasted a chance to impress and laid an egg against an average Mizzou team. I’m sure the P-12 season is going to go the same way as the Beavs are average despite the four star talent.

  15. I would usually add a suitable gif or meme for the piece of shit that is POTUS right now. But there is nothing as sad as that pretend man. Any joke would be so sadly poignant, that it would be unreal.

    So I don’t know what to say about that punk ass bitch with the worst spray tan ever.

      • I’ve extrapolated Dumbshit’s mismanagement tweets from last week.

        Since this fire was started by a private utility’s continued short-cuts for profit, he’s had enough. PG&E should be run out of business if only because they’ve burned so much of California down in the last decade. And it’s up to the state government to make them disappear.

        It’s also up to them to make private landowners clear all brush left from pioneer growth after a timber harvest.

        What he’s saying is the state needs to more comprehensively regulate landowners and punish the bad actors.

        That’s the only way anything he thinks he said makes any sense.

        Of course, he’s the biggest landowner in California.

        So there’s that.

      • Ah, the mantra of the Trump cult.

        “we don’t actually give a shit about America or policy but if it makes liberals sad I am for it”

        Pathetic. But enjoy giving the country to an authoritarian.

          • If everyone who sees reality, then speaks truth to power is someone who doesn’t “agree with” your “beliefs,” you are stuck in a cult of personality. Never mind the puddin’ heads on “the other side” from you, doing exactly what you’re doing. They’re sad because their cult wasn’t as big.

          • That’s the problem. You speak as if your perception of “reality” and “truth” is somehow more meaningful for “better” than mine. Again, I’m not even a registered republican so you won’t be classifying me to a side like you (liberals) or republicans try to do. There are problems with both parties, only there are far more problems on the left. Which is why I lean conservative on most issues.

          • Well, technically it was bigger. It just wasn’t as big in a couple key states… mostly because they chose to eschew those of us who “don’t agree” with their “beliefs.”

          • That’s the problem. You speak as if your perception of “reality” and “truth” is somehow more meaningful for “better” than mine.

            You have yet to try, but you are welcome to source your truth.

          • “You have yet to try, but you are welcome to source your truth.”

            The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Besides we all know your “truth” comes from the same source as mine: an opinion.

          • And then I get to hear the whole discussion about how raw data and facts are just opinions. And it will end in you telling me I just don’t understand you.

            We can skip all that.

          • Nope, if you support Trump you hate America and are a Trump cult member, sorry.

            Don’t want to be associated with a lying racist con man, don’t support a lying racist con man.

            Pretty simple.

          • Far more problems on the left is comedy gold.

            The left didn’t elect a lying racist con man
            The left isn’t trying to suppress voters
            The left didn’t refuse to work with the black guy the instant he won the election
            The left isn’t destroying American democracy

            Nope, all of that is on the right. Anyone dumb enough to claim the left is worse is a fucking idiot.

            (Or just a racist that supports the shit the right is doing so that is possible too).

          • “Never mind the puddin’ heads on “the other side” from you, doing exactly what you’re doing. They’re sad because their cult wasn’t as big.”

            Jack, that’s not entirely true. The ones with a functioning brain are sad because their side stole the opportunity from the guy that actually had a chance and gave it to the creepy lying old lady that faints a lot.

          • Bullshit

            Trump got elected because racists like him
            Trump got elected because people are fucking idiots and actually believed his obvious con.

            Don’t put any of that shit on me. I didn’t vote for him. I actually love America and would never vote for a conman racist.

            That is 100% on the fucking morons that voted for him. And call me whatever name you want, I am not a fucking moron that is so stupid I’d vote for a racist conman.

            Try again.

          • And yes, I will continue to talk down to people dumb enough to support Trump.

            They really aren’t worth giving any respect too. They decided they prefer a demagogue to their country. Fuck them and fuck you if you are among them.

            And if you honestly think Trump and his personal cell phone that he still uses despite knowing China and Russia are listening is better than the old lady you are so stupid I’m honestly shocked your brain remembers to breath.

          • Hahaha, yep. There it is,folks. Fifty percent of the country is racist so they voted for Trump. Except that a decent percentage of those same voters had to have voted for Obama or he wouldn’t have been elected by the margin he was.

            Oh wait, sorry. It’s all emotion here. Only stupid racists like facts.

            Honestly the best part of the Trump presidency is watching fools like you have foaming at the mouth meltdowns like this. It will be so fucking funny if he wins a second term.

          • Hahaha, yep. There it is,folks. Fifty percent of the country is racist so they voted for Trump. Except that a decent percentage of those same voters had to have voted for Obama or he wouldn’t have been elected by the margin he was.

            You’re conflating a lot of ideas in this sub-thread, so I’ll try and unwind them a bit.

            First, it’s not half the country that voted for Dumbshit. It’s 46% of the voting electorate, which turns out to be about 26% of all eligible voters, or about 18% of the population. Among them are a sliver of “Bernie Bros” (who otherwise would not have voted for anyone) and anarchists who saw the real ability to just blow shit up, as is happening. But most of them are supportive of his directly racist and loony-bin rants.

            The reason he was elected was technically HRC’s fault. If you spent even one minute listening to a Bernie stump speech, you would know that priority number one (before anything else gets done) is to overhaul campaign finance and the laws that govern them. This is a democracy. We should treat it like one… instead of living in a land where a corrupt, compulsive liar gets to set policy because the 18% says so. HRC had one clear path to an easy easy win in 2016. If she would have welcomed Sanders’ followers into her her coalition then set them on the task of fund-raising as they had been doing, with no PACs or loose monies, she would be POTUS at this moment.

            I know what you’re talking about with the looking down on you for whatever reason. In your case, it’s because you can’t see that Dumbshit is a kleptocrat, a liar, a money-launderer for drug cartels and human traffickers. Although, the latter is more because he’s a whore and not because he necessarily knows what he’s doing. Still, there is a concept of the law called willful blindness. So even if he claims ignorance (which would be a lie), he won’t convince the law.

            But HRC supporters (who, if you look at their fiscal policies, are pretty far to the right) refused to acknowledge Sanders’ followers as legitimate. They said things like “let the grown-ups take it from here,” and such. And they continued the very right-wing methods of fund-raising, making the picture so complete that they seemed to be thumbing their noses at some easily recognizable conflicts of interest.

            So, in the end, they asked Bernie’s voters not to vote for her. They even said as much at times.

            So we obliged.

            That didn’t matter with me, given my location. But it did matter in Michigan. The disparity between voters and the number of votes for POTUS which were counted in Detroit alone would have smashed the vote for her… were she wise enough to even pretend to be left-wing.

            But she’s not, so we didn’t.

            I’ll quickly run over some rough numbers to make it simple. Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes. Their laws for elections are really stupid if you look at them.
            http://www.michiganradio.org/post/think-michigan-s-recount-seems-messy-turns-out-recount-laws-date-back-1870s
            That aside, the number of POTUS undervotes in Michigan rose fro 50k in 2012 to almost 90k in 2016. I hate to use the “I have a friend” excuse for this, but I do have one in Detroit who worked the election. And his precinct did get to do a recount. He tells me (and I could find supporting analogous evidence around that time) that undervote was almost all write-ins for Bernie.

            The most conservative of estimates for that undervote would have easily swung the election her way… had she not been so blatantly right-wing… not right of some extreme liberal fantasy you all seem to believe exists where mainstream liberalism used to be… way right of center, but nowhere close to the GOP who vacated those positions for a further move to the right.

            We did not swing toward Dumbshit. He is the exact polar opposite of clean, honest, successful and for the people. Anyone who has been paying attention to him over the decades knows he’s just a skeez in an ugly suit, blabbing about how he’s something he’s not with ideas that would do just what he’s done over that time… fail.

            So your claim that Obama voters (I was never one) swung for him for anything more than racial or sexist anxieties created by Dumbshit’s rhetoric falls flat. Studies done since then also deflate your argument.
            https://www.dropbox.com/s/qphz9lxy6pxni1k/final_submission_reny_etal_poq_public.pdf?dl=0

          • And please don’t go all Pol Pot with one of Dumbshit’s anti-intellectualism rants. The conversation is over when you start to say that Dumbshit is right only because smart people who do research and sciency stuff are wrong… only because they disagree with Dumbshit.

            There’s some fucking mind-blowing pseudo-logic in that man’s head.

          • You must have missed this little nugget earlier:

            WFOWFO
            Ignored says:
            NOVEMBER 19, 2018 AT 7:11 PM
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            “Never mind the puddin’ heads on “the other side” from you, doing exactly what you’re doing. They’re sad because their cult wasn’t as big.”

            Jack, that’s not entirely true. The ones with a functioning brain are sad because their side stole the opportunity from the guy that actually had a chance and gave it to the creepy lying old lady that faints a lot.

            I’ll go from personal experience also. I know a fairly substantial number of people that voted for Obama at least once that voted for Trump this time. I will say that probably 75% of said people would have voted for Bernie had he not been fucked by the DNC.

          • They’re not our “side.”

            They’re the other side, posing as our side. That’s why I keep saying there are no sides. I’ve gone nowhere in my ideology for 30 years. But I have gone from centrist Democrat to wildly liberal libtard or fanciful dreamer leftist in all other ideologies.

        • AUMF 2002 tells you who is on what side, if you’re truly interested in sides.

          Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of posers performing lip service.

  16. I came over here from pure orange during the Riley years because I couldn’t stand the blind pro-Riley apologists that populated that place. Those same morons gravitated to Bennyshousr when PO went tits up (Except BCM, thankfully. He was a real c&nt). But over here, I’m getting really tired of one moronic far-left political radical who repeatedly takes over the board with off-topic, unbalanced drivel. It’s clear our great moderator has no intention on reigning him in, even though many regular posters have made their concerns well known. Is there another space online for Beaver sports talk? I think I’m out.

    • Far left… what a joke.

      You should look up asymmetrical polarization, and not in an electrode configuration way. Although, that is a fascinating subject.

      In case you were wondering, I don’t hate the waste of humanity that is the POTUS. I pity him. He was born with a gold spoon up his ass, and he’s managed to do the wrong thing at every turn in his life.

      I also pity any of the suckers who were conned by him, more so those who remain detached from reality. If you wanted shit blown up, I can respect that tack. Dumbshit is blowin’ shit up right now.

      I don’t know what to tell you about the POTUS who doesn’t make an easy lay-up by laying a wreath at Arlington… after missing an easy lay-up in France.

      Oh! I know. Let’s watch him fondle some murderous Saudi balls, instead.

      Or maybe we can watch him call the military and the police a bunch of Nazis… and let it pass, because it’s not in the top three most egregious things he’d done that day.

      Murika sucks balls.

      Thankfully, I’m American.

      Dood can’t shoot to save his life. It’s like he never learned… because he has always taken the gimmes… and passed the cost on to everyone else.

      He’s shit.

      If you think I’m far left, that really sounds like a you problem.

      • @Jack, you are missing the point. Say what you want about sports on here (I appreciate some of your sports insight) but stay away from the politics is what I’m gathering from Ughh and others. There are other places to talk politics, especially when they have nothing to do with OSU athletics. If I’m misunderstanding the purpose for this site, I too can head out because I guess that is a “me problem” then as well. I guess eventually this will become Jack’s internal thoughts blog.

        @Angry, what’s the call?

        • If you think it doesn’t affect OSU athletics, you just haven’t done your taxes yet.

          It will be interesting to see what Ohio does after one tax cycle minus SALT deductions.

          There’s a holistic view available if you choose to open your mind. I’m not missing anything. Every rooftop has to have a person calling PYHOOYA.

          If you think there are “sides,” you’re a fool. The money goes where it thinks it can make more money, nothing more.

          One of my favorite corporations to pick on is Bechtel. If you want to know why your neighbors and friends and sons and daughters are dying in foreign lands, you need look no further than Bechtel and its constant presence pre- and post-conflict.
          https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/30/steamrolled-investigation-bechtel-highway-business-kosovo/

          It’s not the only company that profits on the deaths of Americans (in the case of the Balkans, we were fortunate) and projects an America most of us would protest. But it sure doesn’t complain about building schools and hospitals on sites that were once… schools and hospitals.

          • Full disclosure:
            I worked, then consulted for Parsons for several years. Schools and hospitals are trinkets compared to the other infrastructure rebuilds involved in these situations. Bechtel may have built itself in the shade, but they are really good at what they do.

            Those KBR cowboys, however….

      • https://ritholtz.com/2017/08/asymmetric-polarization/

        This data is a composite of how “sides” voted over time. Note that those in power could increasingly introduce laws which effectively told the other “side” to go fuck itself, and every contra-vote would count as a “left shift.”

        In reality, the “left” has moved quite far to the right. Obama and (especially) HRC are to the right of Ronald Reagan… minus the cultural bullshit that’s abut as meaningful as a bowl of Cheerios.

        I can say that the Gay Agenda has caused me some issues. Morons who believe it exists wrongly chose to disclose to me they believe in that conspiracy bullshit. A couple of them were pretty good trades that I would still call, were it not for their capacity to make ridiculous decisions. I just can’t trust someone that dumb with liabilities concerning business.

        If you think that’s not conservative, I don’t know what to tell you.

        If you think something like Medicare for All is not conservative, I also don’t know what to tell you.

        I was born in a country with a mixed economy. What the market can’t or won’t provide, the government does. It was a great system, a hallmark of human achievement.

        What we have now is monied interests buying elections so they can control Congress enough for government to subsidize normal government functions in the private sector, allowing them to profit on something that otherwise wouldn’t be profitable.

        If you want to support that, you are not conservative.

        So you can pretty much take your, “Whaaaaaa!!!! He’s annoying my eyeballs!!!!” bullshit and sell it somewhere else.

        • You may be an American, but your are certainly NOT A PATRIOT!

          I’ll save this for posterity, because your older self will come across this and shake his sad little head with remorse for the soulless tactics he bought hook, line and sinker.

          You might want to check yourself sporty. You’re becoming the stereotype.

    • The “ignore” button still works.(little “x” by the user’s name)
      I don’t mind reading Jack’s posts, so I don’t use the button.

  17. You’re supposed to be uncomfortable. There is no safe space for snowflakes, anymore. We as a country have decided so.

    Suck it up, buttercups.

        • Only in Trump’s America could someone think calling someone anti-fascist is an insult.

          Sorry many of us see through Trump’s racist propaganda. Not all of us are as stupid as Trump’s cult.

        • To be fair, I am against fascism, racism, corporate cronyism et al. So yes, technically I am anti-fascist. But Anti-fa actually goes out and confronts those groups in real time. Although, they have now figured out that doxxing the stupids is just about as effective.

          I’m not going to go protect some peaceniks’ flanks from white supremacists and nazis. I have other methods to affect change.

          I also was a Dem for about two months in 2016 just to vote in that party. You know… it’s like Dumbshit going with the GOP because, like he has said, they’ll believe any lie.

          If you want to correctly label Dumbshit’s policy stances, he’s what is called an Apartheid Democrat. Though his financial policies and constant otherisms border on national socialism (aka socialism for the rich), there are too many barriers in the US govt. to effectuate change in that way.

          And Dumbshit is wrong (big surprise). Anti-Fa is finding complementary support from police (no idea why military was mentioned… other than it’s Dumbshit).

          • The only reason ANTIFA has police “support ” is because Wheeler has directly ordered them to stand down and let ANTIFA do whatever they want in downtown Portland. Their tactics of shouting down anyone with an opposing viewpoint and labeling any opposition nazis are pathetic. If you consider blocking traffic and picking on random old men “confronting them in real time” you need to take a closer look at what they’re actually doing.

          • What are you babbling about?

            1. I’m aware of the quasi-lawless perception of the Portland actions. But if you truly believe there aren’t bad people in all walks of life, I can’t help you. There are some who fomented violence in Dumbshit’s rallies. You don’t see me making the completely stupid leap in logic that all Dumbshit’s supporters are violent. And you’re not even talking about something that rises to that level.

            2. What I’m talking about with police support is that the police support the law. In places where white supremacists and nazis gather, they deserve to be shouted down. It’s a free country. You want to spit your bile, I don’t cry for you when you get it back tenfold. And neither do the police, so long as it’s kept to that level. It is interesting that those whitey and nazi pussies are requesting police phalanxes to surround them when they do gather. It’s all show (and the police know this too). The only time violence erupts is when whiteys and nazis are the aggressors, as happened in Charlotesville. Sure, they all pose at each other and throw the occasional water bottle back and forth. Yippee. There would be no Anti-Fa in the streets if there were no white supremacists or nazis marching.

            And who decided Nazis even get a voice anymore? Didn’t we have an argument about this in the 1940s, killing millions of people in the process? Those losers can suck it.

            3. You need to stop yer whining over some school teachers and accountants (and, as stated, some unrulies) standing up to white supremacists and nazis… or one might figure out what you really believe.

            I will concede one thing that muddies the water a bit. I don’t know why they don’t harass the Nation of Islam. They’re just another right-wing hate group, like any of the white supremacists who march (it is the marching that differentiates them). But maybe it’s the same reason that most people think they’re left-wing, because of the color of their skin. I never said I thought the groupthink was wholly intelligent, let alone perfect.

          • Let’s also dispense with the canard that they just harass old white guys. Some stupids do every now and then, but they get shouted down by the others. But they’ve never bothered me, and I’m a big white man usually wearing boots, dickies, a pendelton and sporting two on the top, one on the sides.

            Not once have they even looked at me funny. My sample is small, so I can’t speak for the whole, especially given some reports. But those seem to be the exception. And when people like Tucker Carlson outright call the police liars about their actions, it throws quite a bit of doubt on even those exceptions.

          • I’ve been involved in the punk rock/skateboarding scene in this valley since the mid 80s. Neo-nazi skinheads are nothing new and they’re a fucking bunch of dipshit idiot trouble makers anywhere they go (and you’ll notice you never see just one, kinda like ANTIFA).

            So yeah, been there/done that.

          • That was fleet week a long long time ago in another part of the country. And I heard rumors that those people were found, and the favor was returned. But those were just rumors.

            And I wouldn’t label the nazis as skinheads. They have had some of their culture appropriated by nazis, but true skinheads aren’t racist dumbshits, in my experience.

          • Shit, this posted in the wrong spot.

            I’ll say this…not every skinhead I encountered was a neo Nazi, but every neo Nazi I encountered was a skinhead.

            There’s always been a strong SHARP movement around here too.

          • They aren’t skinheads. They stole that identity and misused it.

            We can thank Reagan’s and Thatcher’s dismantling of unions for that.

            But we can’t call them skinheads just because they say they are. They aren’t leftists (like rednecks in America were, to a point of violence) per se. But they are anti-conservativism, especially in the culture wars. That’s why it sucks whenever some lazy reporter writes about “nazi skinheads.” They’re just nazis. Skinhead is a throwaway word used by people who are willing to buy into judging books by their covers.

            They did it to metal too, but I don’t hear reporters calling them nazi headbangers. It’s the same thing. They tried to do it in punk, but punk has a way of telling poser punks how to fuck off.

            It leads to so much dumb confusion. I can’t go more than two days without some whacko trying to conflate all the -isms, as if they weren’t a mix of ideologies, economies and political systems. Did you know National Socialism is the same as socialism is the same as Communism is the same as democratic socialism is the same as social democracy?

            The standard go to in cases where these putzes have clearly not read any of those books is, “So I suppose that makes North Korea a democratic republic?”

            They say they are right in their name. And they said it strongly. I have no reason to doubt what they say.

            Sad, indeed.

          • Honestly I never really gave a shit because 99% of the skinheads of any variety were a bunch of fucking boners.

            It got a little confusing when a guy like Ian Mackaye had a shaved head. We didn’t know anything other than what we read in Thrasher Magazine, there was no information at all. All you could do was listen to his music and read interviews and it was obvious that he was the farthest thing from a skinhead.

            I actually read an interview with him a while back and interestingly enough they had a discussion about neo nazi skinheads coming to Fugazi show in the early 90s.

            “I remember we were doing a show booked in Eugene, Oregon, and these white-power skinhead kids put up flyers saying they were gonna like come to the show and straighten us out, basically shut us down. And the city council of Eugene shut down the show. And I thought, that’s a great way to empower the skinheads! That’s great! That’s a really incredible turn of events. I was shocked they would shut down the show based on what these kids were up to. But that’s the thing, like, I’m gonna use the word [a-hole] again, but [a-holes], they’re like a virus. They’re gonna always be around. They’re just gonna manifest in different ways.”

          • They were just like that for a while. They turned the dance floors into ugly mosh pits. They would just give a nazi salute instead of cheering or clapping. They made going to shows a real hassle.

            But in the end, the whole community stood up to them with an energy that put Anti-Fa to shame. Red and white laces were no longer welcome.

            It didn’t stop them. But at least they were put on notice that people weren’t afraid of them anymore… unless a group of them on the street wanted to know your shoe size.

  18. Anyone remember people on this site recommending Les Miles for the coaching vacancy after Andersen left? The push-back they got is that a high powered former SEC coach like Miles would never go to a football backwater like Corvallis. Except he went to the one place in the P5 universe that is more of a supposed backwater than OSU–Kansas.

    The sad thing truth is, OSU hasn’t had a bona fide coaching search since Riley was hired in ’97. This procedure has worked out once, with Dennis, Riley II was a mixed bag, Andersen a disaster. Smith was handed the job too; verdict is still out there. Bottom line, with actual searches OSU could have ended up with Mike Leach in 2012 and Les Miles this year

    • The thing about Miles is it’s hard to say how good a coach he truly was since he had huge recruiting and facility advantages. His tenure in Kansas will answer that question. I liked Leach more when that opportunity arose, because he didn’t have huge advantages and clearly knew how to build a system. OSU is good at missing opportunity when it knocks.

      All that said, and despite some bad losses, I like the underlying framework of what I see Smith building. Just needs better players, and I see some proof he is landing them.

      • Minnesota had the same opportunities and passed on both. Agree totally on Miles. He was on the plane to the Twin Cities when they hired Row the Boat. I was praying they would hire Leach, but the boneheaded AD would not even interview him. Leach will be successful wherever because he does not need superstars to be successful. Wazzu’s QB should win the Heisman. Bama would probably still be undefeated with our QB.

    • Leach would have brought baggage… and debt, apparently. But they are showing that even spending on the margins pays short-term dividends.

      I was shocked to see he’s only getting $2.3m. I thought for sure the hurdle we couldn’t jump was somewhere around $3.5m.

      Alas, you’re dead on with the analysis.

      I don’t know why OSU can’t simply make a list of the best available coaches and work off that… as I watch a recording of Nevada hoops.

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