Just some quick takeaways from Saturday before moving on to my prediction.
Needs improvement:
1. Defense was lethargic, but that picked up by Q2.
2. Smith still doesn’t understand FGs and probabilities. This will obviously never correct, and anything to the contrary is an excuse by fans to protect “their guy”. It’s going to be bad in close games vs good opponents, though, so it’s a big deal.
3. WRs. Irish can’t be the #3. This is the same as last year when Martinez should have been the starter from day 1. This staff doesn’t always get the best option on the field. I’d like to see Zachary Card get a shot. He had great film. Vaslin. Even Noga looked better. Irish can’t be the guy, though.
4. Ivy had a bad game, and that could get uglier vs better competition, but he had good form, and that will go a long way. Secondary overall was fine. D was fine. No drop off as others expected. If anything they seemed to get more pressure and finish more plays. Good tackling overall.
I think this week is even uglier for the opponent. Beavs are tuned up and at home.
56-17, Beavs. Though, the quicker clock does make higher scores harder…I’ll say a 5TD spread.
First!
What’s wrong with Irish? Was it not running to the sticks on that 4th down?
He’s had 4 or 5 years to prove he’s not very good, and his performance vs SJSU didn’t change any of that. Best to use his speed on ST. I’ll never get over him giving up on plays in prior years, either.
Munyagi actually got more WR snaps and Noga seemed to split time pretty evenly with Irish, so I think that position is still up for grabs.
Card has the most upside. I feel like this is an exact replica of last year’s conversation about Martinez. He was clearly the best and most dynamic RB. Fans wanted to defend interior players because Smith made the call to start them. Just put Card on the field now vs this inferior competition and get him ready for Pac play. Wasting reps on Irish is a real shame.
There was no doubt last year Martinez could run the ball in the beginning but he missed assignments, was learning the playbook and transitioning to school. Card is probably the same. Remember these are 18 year olds. Card will get more and more time. He will definitely be good by the end of the year.
With Smith I don’t always agree with specific decisions but I disagree with you. Statically with the personnel last year he did good overall. I think todays game this has changed. With high scoring offenses in the Pac 12 FGs don’t win game.
Also Card is listed as 5’9”, 156. If he can’t break a jam at the line he’s not going to contribute.
Ya Martinez wasn’t ready to start out the gate with missed protections and fumbling. Like the one he missed for the lone sack of the game. If you have other guys that are good with experience it’s nice to ease them into the speed of the game. Card played quite a bit and Irish caught all of the balls that came his way. Like someone else said Card will play more as the season progresses. Smith is putting guys in to see who makes plays in a game and not practice.
Card will get time. He’s still obviously catching up with the speed of the game. I think he had the only drop of the game. Noga looked good.
WRBC isn’t a bad thing with a QB who can fit it in tight spaces. I know there wasn’t any YAC, but those were 15-20 yard chunk tosses, not five on a drag or to the flat and making someone miss. Who needs YAC, when you can sit down and have the first down? The big plays will come when they all get a sense of playing with each other and can see everything at once.
But even if they don’t, being behind the chains in early downs isn’t as daunting as it was last year.
48-0. they shouldn’t allow them pass midfield unless they some how start there. Lot’s of reps for the second team too.
I want to see a heavy dose of Chiles in the second half.
But do we want to burn some of his limited playing time on uc davis? It would be better to run him later against better competition, he’s already proven that he can move the ball against a better team.
Yeah, I questioned how Chiles would be used awhile back. If he is only going to play 4 games we may need him later in the season. I now wonder if JS is gonna not worry about redshirt, maybe he’ll appear in more than 4 games.
Against UC Davis, I hope to see most of the first string set out the entire second half. Wouldn’t mind seeing BG at QB, even Travis Throckmorton or Montiel. Let those last two feel the crowd at Reser.
They are not worried about a redshirt. If DJU only plays for one year, Chiles will need as many reps as he can get before next year.
I think in a tight game and DJU gets hurt, BG is the guy who’s going in first.
Stay healthy.
Tackling against SJSU was worse than 2022 from a % basis. Mascarenas in particular hasn’t improved, which is concerning given he’s supposed to be the guy shutting down the middle of the front seven. He and Arnold were our least consistent tacklers last year. Arnold was 100% against SJSU. Mascarenas was still only 75%, which was his rate last season (compared to Speights and Fisher who were both 86%).
Credit Arnold for making that solo tackle while getting ran over by a dude who’s 30 pounds heavier than he is.
The announcers were ejaculating all over the screen on that play “ermahgherd he ran RIGHT THROUGH HIM!!!!!”
You don’t get tackled when you run right through someone dipshit.
Reminds me of that time Micah Hyde solo tackled Derrick Henry in the same way.
Arnold did exactly what he was supposed to do as the last line of defense.
Mascarenas was the spy, and it turns out Cordeiro is really slippery.
The Irish comment is puzzling. I don’t recall him dropping any balls or messing up a play. The 4th down play, he went up and got the ball and landed on his neck while still holding on. It wouldn’t have been a completion if not for his effort. He ran the route just a tad short but the throw didn’t help. He ran the route right at the line to gain but still would have needed to fall forward to get the call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2onmH70pzM&t=446s
13:06 mark
He gave up on ST plays in the past, and he’s never proven to get separation consistently as a WR. This is bad for someone with his speed. It’s like James Jett light edition. I also think Card has way more upside and is a way better/well rounded WR. Go watch Card’s film. He’s a big upgrade over Irish. We know what Irish is: a decent backup who is starting.
You’re completely discounting the possibility that guys can improve between HS and college.
For the record, here’s PFF’s grades for our receivers that ran 10+ routes against SJSU:
Gould- 72.7
Irish- 72.3
Bolden- 71.4
Card- 49.4
I wouldn’t argue that he isn’t much more than what he showed Sat but it’s odd to pick on the #3 WR who wouldn’t get much action anyway. He’s probably the #4/5 option on most plays.
Whatever the argument is for or against Irish, there is no excuse at this level to not break that route off past the sticks. That works against SJSU but against someone like Utah that could hurt you.
So we’re glad he gets to learn from the mistake against sjsu, and we move on?
if it happens again, will it be him?
That was a timing route and he didn’t go past the sticks where he needed to go hence why the pass was high where he was located depth wise.
This. We’ve seen him for 5 years. He’s not good. Card is the guy to play. Smith will eventually realize this, just like he has done with past roster mistakes.
I’m surprised he didn’t transfer. Love the commitment and contributions on special teams but he’s not going to play many snaps at WR as the year goes on.
I looked around to see if I could find stats that had how many times he was targeted. I came up with nothing, maybe someone else would have better luck.
Targets vs SJSU:
Bolden- 7
Velling- 5
Irish- 4
Gould- 3
Card- 3
Martinez- 2
Noga- 2
Terry- 1
Sharp- 1
Card was the only Beaver with a drop in the game.
Who’s going to the game? Oregon Live says there’s still over 1,000 seats available for this weekend. UCLA game is only game that’s all but sold out.
I’m going to have to watch on TV, but will be looking for that killer sign in the student section.
And them shotgunning a Pilsner
Pabst smear
Hamms sammitch
If you want a pair in 120, I may not need mine as it looks like I may be the beneficiary of some club box seats, it pays to know folks
#BougieBeavs
sounds awesome. appreciate the offer but i had to sell mine because of a funeral happening down in Sacramento I’ll be attending. Pivoting to the Utah game hopefully, or maybe SDSU? Or both?
Sorry for your loss. If I get any other perks this season I’ll reach out again.
Anyone else interested? Section 120 row 23… If so let me know. I don’t have the bougie box tickies yet so may not know 100% for a day or so.
Looking forward to when seeing how the DLine plays vs a pocket passing QB, but there really aren’t many on our schedule.
Cal looks to be the first game, in week 6
WSU QB is arguably a pocket passer. He doesn’t really run that much. He throws quick so the pass rush is limited. Last year they made him uncomfortable in the pocket. 6 sacks. -21 yards rushing that game.
WSU is still running that run and shoot screen pass garbage. It’s literally never worked against quality defenses. Beavs should have the WSU game in the bag this season.
never take a trip to Martin lightly
um yeah, no games are in the bag. Other than this UC Davis game.
on the cable TV front, CNBC had a guy on this morning talking about Disney’s problems, focusing on the fact that Charter communications with 15 million subscribers is a good bet to force Disney to cut its rate for ESPN before picking up the ESPN offerings again. The upshot: if they capitulate to Charter, which seems inevitable, every other cable system will get in line. I found this sentence probative: “Disney is figuring the best way to launch a standard streaming version of the ESPN group of channels, a model that certainly won’t support the same kind of big-dollar deals that were possible when the channel brought in more money for Disney than any other cable network.”
The folks in Seattle and Eugene have no idea what they hitched their wagons to. I was formerly of the opinion that Fox’s and ESPN’s rights deals will never be duplicated. Now I’m of the opinion that they won’t be completed in their original form. When that happens, Rutgers, Northwestern, Vandy, and the like will get cut loose.
Why do they care? They’re still going to get their money. ESPN isn’t going to go bankrupt like some regional sports network. There is enough value in the brand for some PE firm (or multiple firms) to toss it around for years trying to squeeze a return out of it. Same for Fox.
I think Charter/Soectrum is losing customers in droves. Went to watch Mizzou and SD State thursday evening and 5 minutes into the game the plug was pulled. No SEC, ESPN and a few other stations first weekend of college football. Apparently Disney was wanting to raise their price to Spectrum and they said no. Nice, they waited to negotiate right when the season started.
As streaming reaches critical mass over the coming decade (and cable fades away), sports as a whole will be taking a haircut. With streaming, all content will eventually be paid for only by individuals that actually watch it. ESPN et. al will no longer be able to hoover up revenues from non sports-watchers. This will filter down to the leagues and eventually impact player pay. The Aaron Rodgers’ of the world may have to settle for like $25-30 million max contracts. God forbid….
B-b-b-b-Bingo!
Best quote of the week from the genius sports analysts: “USC defense looked much-improved against a subpar offense…’
I guess they went from “not great” to “not horrible”.
I know alot of people hate Deion and everything he stands for, but I have to admit I’m a little impressed that he was able to back up his talk so far.
Sure, it was just 1 game, but his son is by far the leading passing QB in the Pac (500+ yards for 1 game) and nobody is even close to that. Williams has more yards, but it’s from a 2 game sample and his per game average is much lower)
In a way, I do appreciate that he’s in your face about how he’s going about his business and not trying to sugar coat things. He’s not the only coach to come in a purge a roster to re-build via transfers. He’s just the most up front about what normally is going on behind the scenes.
And on top of that, the hype is working wonders for Colorado’s ticket prices. I saw the cheapest ticket to OSU/Colorado in November was up around $125 (+fees) on the resale sites. The USC game is $245 (+fees). That’s insane given where they were a year ago.
I don’t think it’s sustainable for this year, given he has to play some guys on both sides of the ball and eventually those guys will get injured or wear down, but kudos on their week 1 success. Curious how long he sticks with Colorado?
The open transfer portal really helped. But they do have some play makers. I think lack of depth on the roster will hurt them.
How long? When will his son graduate or get drafted? There is your answer.
You don’t think he’ll find another QB to come play for them?
If his son can consistently put up numbers in the 400+ yard range, that’s going to be a really attractive team for QB recruits.
Before the season, people were questioning if Shadur could hang in P5 football.
He’ll stick at Colorado for 3 years if successful and then move to a big time program. If not, his style will wear out after 4-5 years.
I think he’s going to attract some big time recruits for a while (the RB with 4TDs was a 5 star recruit) . But he’ll need his assistants to really coach them up.
Travis Hunter would be at the top of the heisman lists if he didn’t play for Colorado.
They had 600 yards of offense and still only won by 3. TCU was just about as new of a team as Colorado with how many they lost from the team last year. I’m still not all that sold on them. Their next two games are pretty much gimmes as well. Now if they do good against USC and/or Oregon? Then I’ll be impressed.
Well he’s the only pac qb that played all game I believe. So there’s that.
CU looked great, but since when is TCU an elite “plug and play” program? I think they captured lighting in a bottle last season and lost a ton off of that team. They will not be nearly as good as some people seemed to think.
Just came across this too:
https://twitter.com/JoePompliano/status/1699103956444610988
“Joe Pompliano
@JoePompliano
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52m
You could have attended every Colorado home game last year for $222.
But the get-in price for this Saturday’s game against Nebraska is $476.
Colorado also gained 147,000 new social media followers this weekend.
Deion Sanders is worth every penny.
(Ticket data via @TickPick)
Coaches Poll, Beavers jumped by OU & N. Carolina remain # 18
https://www.bing.com/search?q=college+football+polls&aqs=edge.1.69i64i450l8.1855204j0j1&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=WIP1DSE
LSU at #14 because winning doesn’t matter anymore in college football
Beavs still at #16 in AP poll
https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football-rankings/college-football-rankings-ap-top-25-poll-week-2-games
They were 18 in the ap last week.
Doing a call back to the “stall” method of the Pac 2. I’m really torn on this. Part of me wants to be like Tyler Durdan and watch this model burn…”for science”! The more rational part of me thinks this was be suicide from a recruiting perspective and potentially put this football program in a situation that could likely put them back for years, and that might be on the optimistic side. I also don’t see how the stall method would be good for the remaining sports. Regardless of how this season plays out, we’re going to lose kids just based on the drop in competition and not being in a premier league. Incoming recruits will surely be dropping out by being a G5 and I can only imagine 2 years of uncertainty for what the conference looks like and the constant realignment narrative in general will further hurt new recruits. What do you all think of this stall method?
If we are eligible for the CFP for 2 years AND get the conference CFP$ ($80-$100) million per year you have to stall.
This along with the $90 Million over 6 years for the NCAA tournament credits alone keeps the athletic budget fully funded.
As we have seen realignment happens fast and the longer we can hold out the better chance we have for a P4 landing spot. If we put our tail between our legs and go to the Mt West I am worried we will be relegated there many years. Also hearing that we could be working on a “scheduling agreement” with the MT West. They have 12 teams that only play 8 conference games. If each of them take on 1 PAC2 game that gets Wazzu & OSU 6 more games. Add this to playing each other and 3 OOC games and that is a total of 10. Only need to find 2 more games for a 12 game season.
I guarantee the networks and the P4 do not want to write the huge checks to Wazzu and OSU. This could be the leverage we need to land in the BIG12. Put us in the BIG12 and this all goes away.
There’s zero chance the CFP will pay a two conference team 80-100 million per year. They will change the rules after this year and PAC2 can do nothing about it.
They can’t unless there is a unanimous vote. We have a vote.
That’s a very naive take
It’s the truth
Nothing like lawsuits to be able to stall and hang on to the money. I worry that they can last one day longer than we can.
This already changed, conferences wouldn’t be going to 18 teams under that CFP model. Starting this year, it is going to be paid on a per team basis, not a per conference basis.
The CFP eligibility would offset any negatives in football recruiting. If we truly can bring in that kind of revenue, it should help alleviate the pressure on other sports.
You’re making a lot of assumptions, though, when even Barnes admits he hasn’t been informed what all the 2PAC will be left with.
Is that $90mill each or split between 2? $18mill a year doesn’t seem like it would keep the athletic dept fully funded much less half of that if it’s split. I’ll admit though, I haven’t seen all the #’s so perhaps that does work. Would we have to pay to keep the networks or can we just get off the other weight that would come with the Pac assets and only walk away with the bag?
I believe it’s $90 million total. So $45 million over 6 years. That along with CFP $ is what I believe Barnes is trying to fully understand.
If the choice is MW or stall, I would go with stall. At this point the best thing is to get the Pac 12 assets. For 2 years they would be effectively a power 5 conference of 2. If they jump to MW, (only option now) they get all of the teams, some not so great. In 2 years they can cherry pick from MW, AAC and maybe ACC. Maybe even a return to power 5. Maybe the Big 12 is waiting for the remaining schools to take possession of the Pac 12 assets before offering. I don’t know if the Pac 12 network would be able to function for those 2 years. Also, they will have put up a portable in the Reser parking lot to house the Pac 12 admin. This season seems to be the key to the future.
STALL for the win
Reminds me of an 18-16 hoops game against Stanford
I’d much rather stall for as long as possible before going to MWC. By 2026 I’d think the ACC is fully blown up and there are more teams in our current situation. If we were to ink any type of binding deal with the MWC, we’d essentially be removing our name out of the race for the next round of realignment. How would it work if we merged with MWC and then got the invite to big12? We’d probably be SOL, not to say a big12 invite is a likely scenario at this point… I’m personally in the boat of building a conference with the best possible remaining programs regardless of travel. Hopefully that would consist of the best MWC, AAC, and remaining ACC schools with west and east coast divisions to limit travel. Something like West: OSU, WSU, BSU, SDSU, Fresno, Utah St/Col St. East: WF, BC, Syracuse, GT, Tulane, Memphis
This would be a better than G5 conference and would allow time in case a bigger conference comes calling our name…
Think of how bizarre and cool it would be if the Beavs and Wazzu play each other at the end of 2024 and 2025 with the winner going to the CFP’s as the P-2 representative. Talk about a pressure packed game with millions of dollars on the line. I think it’s fantasy unless there are some crazy loopholes the lawyers find in favor of the Beavs/Cougs, these are weird times for D-1 football.
potentially put this football program in a situation that could likely put them back for years
Haha. That’s a nice way to put it. The reality is we’re now the Wyoming Cowboys. I’d say that is beyond putting a program back for years, but putting a program down for life. The sick dog has finally been taken to the vet.
Wyoming just beat Texas Tech. Watch out college football world!
It would be awesome if TTech won this weekend.
Yeah, to me that’s the best case scenario when a longer build to any relevancy is probably more likely. Interesting we haven’t seen any verbal decommitments yet but I get the sharks circling the blood in the water type feeling with all this uncertainty.
Mw should be last resort
TCU is now unranked. That tells you how much the voters think about the significance of losing to Colorado.
There’s no doubt Colorado has a lot of talent, but we’ve seen the same thing play out in Eugene.
I’m reserving my judgment until after week 4.
Yet Colorado is now ranked at # 22. lol They lose to Nebraska and Colorado drops out of the rankings just as quickly as they appeared.
Col is going to beat neb
Our perpetual “beaver hater” Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports had an unranked CU team last week now ranked higher than our Beavs in his latest power rankings.
The Colorado/Beavs game will be an amusing contrast in coaches’ personalities.
No doubt…A low key, slightly portly, hunched-shouldered Smith, a fashion conscious Sanders, animated and manic, influencing the refs…
Low ego high output
VS
High ego unknown output
Even if huge ego man creates high output there is so much downside he isn’t likely to sustain. Unlike being a player, where he is in control of most aspects, now he is relying on 100 college kids to cash the checks he is writing, that will only go so far.
I went ahead and watched his post game presser and I’ll be honest, it was pretty decent. He was pretty straight up about what went well and what didn’t and he gave a lot of players credit. He’s actually pretty funny and sarcastic which is my thing so take it for what you will.
I’ll still never call him Coach Prime. That shit’s retarded.
I have a feeling Travis Hunter will slowly transition away from iron man football, one game is something but an entire season both ways is a clear path to injury. This isn’t high school bud.
He started both ways for much of the end of last season. He’s legit. Deion is legit. Colorado is legit. Their biggest weakness is DL but they’ll get better over the course of the year and add a lot in the next class.
Deion Jr and Darious cover the whole team via YouTube you can watch the whole thing unfold if you want, and if you had you’d know how crazy intense their practices are and it wouldn’t have been the least bit surprising that they played as hard as they did, because it’s exactly how they practice.
Deion is as much a pastor to the team as he is a head coach, and he knows this. He knows he’s playing a character as “prime” and he’s doing so intentionally. He’s very intelligent.
I was not a fan of his and had all the same misconceptions until I started following them at Jackson State after he was named the coach at CU. After following along through spring/fall camp, I wasn’t the slightest bit surprised in how they played at TCU. People that were aren’t paying attention or simply misunderstand the guy and who he is and how he’s building/leading that team.
It’s not like he’s made poor assistant hires, either.
Anyone who thinks most college football coaches don’t have the same ego as Sanders is just buying the facade they put up. Deion doesn’t bother with the facade.
There was an article on athlon sports that had Herbstreit’s comments about OSU. It was very positive and had a tweet of him saying he loves this football team. That’s gotta be some nice free publicity. Sorry I don’t have the link.
Here’s the article.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/espn-kirk-herbstreit-names-one-college-football-team-he-loves-oregon-state-beavers
Thanks for sharing Bleed Orange. Nice to get the praise and hear they are “physical”.
He’s probably heard enough commentary about his coverage of our bowl game.
What a shitshow.
I have several thoughts on the game based on what I saw:
1) OL is solid and I think Starck might actually get a chance with the 1’s at some point this season.
2) DJ’s check down throws are a work in progress as of right now. He doesn’t lock onto his WR’s, but he did tend to hold onto the ball a bit longer and I think it has to do with the coaches letting him work through his progressions in practice after being touched by the defense. (something I read in the practice reports). His clock should improve from 5-7 seconds to 3-5 seconds by the time Pac-12 conference play hits.
3) TE’s are more utilized in the first game this season than last season as is the RB’s in the passing game.
4) WR’s are being rotated in and out fairly regularly to allow coaches to get good looks at their abilities. I honestly don’t think the starters for SJSU will be the starters for the entire season. It look to see Noga get more playing time.
5) I missed the 4th down play as I believe i went to the bathroom and or the over the air tiled and I couldn’t see it live. Going for it with the lead was more to do with the fact we don’t have Jackhammer anymore and it gave us a live look opportunity to try and work that part of our game instead of getting points.
6) point 5 leads into this point. Coaches tried to get up early on SJSU to be able to work on situational aspects of their game. This was a tune-up in live action versus practice. I expect much more the same if not more vanilla play versus UC Davis and more playbook work against SDSU to get up early on in the game. The score and stats don’t matter as much in these games as it does with being efficient in the offense, defense and ST. (See coach Smith’s post game comment on the blocked punt versus all other aspects of the game against SJSU).
7) finally, Atticus was 100% on Extra Points! AND had 3 Touchbacks with the other kicks resulting in fair catches or minimal returns yardage.
The game felt more like watching a practice versus another team than it did a game where the offense or defense had to carry the team on their back. Beavs took care of business and found out what they needed to work on:
1) short yardage plays
2) ST in the punting game and return game
3) QB mesh with RB
4) Penalties on both sides of the ball
5) Work more on the timing routes, progressions, and solidify starting WR spots
“2) DJ’s check down throws are a work in progress as of right now. He doesn’t lock onto his WR’s, but he did tend to hold onto the ball a bit longer and I think it has to do with the coaches letting him work through his progressions in practice after being touched by the defense. (something I read in the practice reports). His clock should improve from 5-7 seconds to 3-5 seconds by the time Pac-12 conference play hits.”
I think its great he can make a sammich back there once in a while, but he needs to get in the habitat of releasing the ball in 3-4 seconds for most throws. Or, just throw it out of bounds – I suspect he’ll have the arm strength for that…
DJ was smart to come to OSU to play in this system. It reduces his running, and reduces injury risks. But one of the best ways to reduce injury risks is to get rid of the ball quickly. Its also very frustrating for the D…
I always remember Markus Wheaton saying the difference between college and the NFL was that in college, you turned and watched the ball come to you. In the NFL, you turned and it was there. DJ has an NFL arm and these receivers need to expect the ball to be there when they turn…not watch it and wait for it.
I completely agree with you. DJ threw 3, maybe 4 balls where they were there once the receiver turned. I would have to go back and count how many WR were waiting for b the ball and how many got it in stride, and how many were right as the WR turned around.
Reser webcam last night showed them testing the lights. Looks like they’ve gotten those new LED lights put in that were planned. They were doing a strobe light show, which I assume they’ll do when we score during night games as a decent amount of other schools have that feature now, to dim and brighten the stadium immediately. LEDs will also allow them to do colored light shows for night games. Pretty cool.
Watch them have green and yellow in the lights….
Better be orange and white…maybe some (cough cough) black lights too….glow in the dark beaver banners hanging in the stadium?
They said on X (twitter) that they don’t currently have colored LEDs but may upgrade in the future.
One good thing I’ll note is the clock management at the end of the half.
Hilarious. Now everyone loves Irish, after years of complaints about him. If Smith says it is so, then it is so! #FollowDaLeader #MonkeyBrain
You literally have no reason to have Irish…. I really hope he shows out to shut you up…
*hate
Angry’sright everyone else is wrong and stupid. Who’s hated on Irish? Maybe a few led by you but I don’t remember everyone hating on him. Wasn’t he an all conference special teams utility player one year?
He blocked a punt once and got special teams player of the week
Just stop.
He’s at least a serviceable wr on this level, with experience in this offense. It’s just weird to have this be an issue, since there are plenty of reasons to do with future talent what Smith has done with past talent. Everyone has a role to play, until their play becomes undeniable. All things being equal, experience wins the first line. Watch for it to change. That’s about it.
Well put…
I actually agree with Jack on this one.
Made some big ST plays in the past
Straw man. Who loves Irish? You just picked a really weird hill to die on.
I don’t love or hate him. He’s just meh imo.
Probably don’t have a better option.
BTW, I was thinking of that other guy when I said during the game thread he was like 5’-3”. Don’t remember his name but he transferred I believe. Dude weighed like 150 lbs. think he returned kickoffs last year?
That was Champ Flemmings
That’s who I was thinking of.
Transferred to Arkansas State. All 5’-5” and 142 lbs of him.
https://astateredwolves.com/sports/football/roster/champ-flemings/5755
Didn’t realize Clemson lost to Duke 28-7…
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2023/09/05/clemson-football-dabo-swinney-recover-from-duke-upset/70763344007/
“Air Raid?
The Tigers’ offense looked more like Air Fade.
And more growing pains for quarterback Cade Klubnik.
Swinney has praised Klubnik’s poise and ability to bounce back from setbacks and bad plays. He’ll have plenty of opportunity to do both as the season progresses after a Labor Day letdown.
Clemson’s longest pass play against the Blue Devils? Try 21 yards.
Klubnik was intercepted once, but was fortunate not to have been picked off multiple times.
As the game unfolded, it felt like we were watching a lowlights from the previous two seasons on a permanent loop – and endless supply of unproductive bubble screens and precious few downfield attempts.”
DJ is classy and I’m sure he’s not enjoying his former team’s pratfall. But it may help validate his choice to move on to OSU…watching how Clemson’s fortunes play out will be an interesting side story this season.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/everyone-said-same-thing-about-ex-clemson-quarterback-dj-uiagalelei-tonight
I went to this article and while reading it, Athlon had another article pop up about how the Duck had to do 546 push ups during the PSU game. I don’t feel sorry for him, but I am impressed.
Fact: The Duck did zero push-ups, and he did half that many Marine push-ups.
Bastardized shoulder shrugs at best.
He was winging it…
I don’t think he’s questioning his decision
Man I wish they would put up on the schedule what network is broadcasting each game. Trying to decide if I’m going to add Sling Orange with Sports package so I can have Pac2 network. But don’t want to spend the $$ for UC Davis only game.
If I remember correctly, each team plays a minimum of 3 games on the PAC-12 Network, so OSU should have at least 2 more games on there after UC Davis.
Definitely the Beavs/Cougs at 7:30pm kickoff on PAC12 network. How could they not?
ESPN and Fox have no incentive to put the Beavs on tv unless they’re wanting to showcase one of the Pac12 defectors.
Pac12 network it is.
Or if OSU is having a dream season and it becomes a huge story.
Requirement for Pac-12 Network is for every non-conference home game = # of times on Pac-12 Networks. Beavs were relegated to Pac-12 Networks 6 times last season. I don’t see that happening again tbh. I could see Wazzu, Arizona, and/or Stanford as our 2nd to 4 games on the Pac-12 Networks.
Just do free one week trials of different services. Fubo has good options. How many email addresses do you have???
That’s what my stepsons are doing this season.
LOL. Me likey!
Someone used the term CFP Mafia earlier.
It is an astute description and speaks to the organized criminal nature of what has happened and what OSU faces as the season progresses. The Mafia will not choose OSU if given a viable option from the rigged ranking system. They capitulated last year and TCU exposed the game by dismantling Michigan. That won’t be allowed to happen again if they can help it. No more Cinderella underdog stories, only guaranteed ratings bonanzas for all 3 games.
So the pressure will mount as the Beavers continue to win. Pressure refs, players and pollsters. Beavs have already been jumped in the polls and it’s week 1.
Beavs have the opportunity to win every game and eliminate the subjective nature and sophistry it would require to keep out the PAC12 champ this year.
I hope they can do it and even win it all.
UC Davis Presser – They know they have to play their best every play to win. Biggest worry seems to be the physicality the Beavs bring on the lines. While they won fairly easy 48-10 last week. They turned the ball over 4 times.
Dan Hawkins is the head coach. Has more than a few connections to the OSU staff. Coached Perkins as a player at Colorado, Hynson was on staff at Boise St for a year, and a multiple others have coached with or against him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu1gYry3OeU
Got to know Hawkins as a kid while going to camps at Willamette while he was there (my father was HS head coach).
Great guy, great coach.
He should have been our coach when Erickson left.
DE left us with a new west side and some actual winning seasons, and we went back to finding our identity with the guy who didn’t want to be here the first time.
Hawkins never replicated his BSU success, though. I’m not sure he would have been better than MR2.
He should’ve stuck to intramurals brother
He went to CU… a sure death for any number of coaches. You saw how fast Mel Tucker ran away.
Only UNLV (inexplicably) could turn good coaches into slugs faster, until they finally just got fed up with it and started spending some money.
And he would have been better, because he didn’t leave in the first place.
Fool me once.
It’s also good to note that MR2 was bookended by building drives, which we are now going to get to see.
WSU AD with some fighting words about their legal strategy which will become “plain” within the next week.
My guess is the end goal is just to end up with the conference assets and not let anything leave with the traitors. We’ll see.
Link?
https://apple.news/AigvTovuiRZ6C757juCKKUQ
thanks for the link
Doesn’t work on a PC (Apple is the freaking worst)…copy/paste?
https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/kirk-schulz-wsus-legal-strategy-coming-fast-and-fists-will-be-clenched-215540496/
I can draw a direct line between this and why North Dakota has both a State Bank and a State Granary.
Down, goes Fox.
All this tells me is the 10 that left not only want to leave us to wither away in the PAC 2, they want to take the remaining money with them. My guess is the “legal strategy” is nothing more than keeping those dollars.
I don’t anticipate OSU or WSU for that matter suing Fox, ESPN, the BIG or Big 12. All the collusion talk is pie in the sky. I haven’t seen anyone lay out a reasonable basis for a law suit on those grounds. It was a money grab plain and simple.
The Pac 12 Network certainly has standing in an anti-trust suit.
And stop saying collusion.
In a legal sense, collusion is strictly price-fixing in the market, not a trust.
Noted. I’m always open to educated or informed discussion. There’s a lot of folks throwing around words like “collusion” around with no basis for why it would apply. That said I’d be pleasantly surprised if OSU and WSU went after the Networks behind this sh-t show on Anti trust grounds but I doubt they will.
Legal Strategy:
2 voting teams are left, so 2 teams can vote on how to handle the conference assets.
The other teams have relinquished their right to vote on all Pac12 conference matters.
Conference Bylaw text:
“if a member delivers notice of withdrawal in violation (prior to August 1st 2024)
of this chapter, the member’s representative to the CEO Group shall automatically cease to be a member of the
CEO Group and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter before the CEO Group.”
——–
4. Special Voting Requirements.
A vote of at least three-fourths vote of the entire CEO Group shall be required to amend the Constitution and
Bylaws and Executive Regulations 1 through 7. A vote of at least two-thirds vote of the entire CEO Group shall
be required to amend Executive Regulations 8 and 9. (12/96, 6/05, 6/08, 6/10, 7/12)
Bylaw handbook:
https://pac-12compliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021-22-P12-Handbook.V1.pdf
I think the question is probably a matter of which category the asset distribution falls under. Is it one controlled by the CEO group or is there some other category of vote/decision where the Traitorous10 would still have a say?
If Barnes hasn’t heard back from the attorneys yet, it’s probably not very straightforward. The conference sucked at everything; why should we expect they were experts at writing bylaws?
It’s not straightforward in several different ways, but almost all of them are good for us, because nobody expected this when the bylaws were written.
But they all signed on. They were of age, and it’s reasonable to assume they had lawyers look at it, first.
Maybe they should have thought about all this before running away, if they want to try and fight the outcome. uSC and UCLA were perfectly fine leaving it all behind. Not sure why the others who left would feel differently.
USC and UCLA could just assume the others would carry on and pick up the pieces. The ones that really should have done legal due diligence are the later traitors who knew they would be leaving an incomplete conference in the lurch.
Unfortunately, if it isn’t clearly defined, that just means lawyers make a lot of money. It doesn’t provide any indication of what the outcome may be one way or another.
“Additionally, if a member delivers notice of withdrawal in violation of this chapter, the member’s representative to the CEO Group shall automatically cease to be a member of the CEO Group and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter before the CEO Group. (6/10, 10/10, 7/11”
“The Conference may place a member on probation or suspension, or terminate its membership, by vote of at least three-fourths of all the members of the CEO Group eligible to vote on the matter, for one or more of the following reasons: (6/10) a. Materially violating the standards and requirements of the Conference, as set forth in this Constitution and Bylaws, or in the rules, regulations and policies adopted by the CEO Group; (6/10) b. Violating rules and regulations of the NCAA, or becoming ineligible for active membership in Division I of the NCAA, by a written determination of the NCAA; or (6/10) c. Withdrawing or attempting to withdraw from the Conference without complying with Section 3 above. (6/10)”
“Such disciplinary action may also include the assessment of financial penalties. No vote for probation, suspension or termination shall occur unless the member subject to such action is notified, in writing, by the Commissioner of the alleged misconduct and is provided an opportunity to be heard at a meeting of the CEO Group. The CEO Group representative of the member charged with misconduct shall not be eligible to vote on any proposed disciplinary action The CEO Group shall adopt a Member Disciplinary Policy setting forth the procedures such action will follow. (6/10)”
lol… we could just kick them all out on the evening of July 31st.
“No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and
ending on August 1, 2024…..”
“Additionally, if a member delivers notice of withdrawal in violation of this chapter, the member’s representative to the CEO Group shall automatically cease to be a member of the CEO Group and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter before the CEO Group. (6/10, 10/10, 7/11”
I think this all hinges on whether a school saying they are leaving the conference in August 2024 constitutes a violation of the chapter.
In 2023 they announced their intent to leave over social media and press releases, effective in 2024. Not sure if that violates the laws of the chapter. My guess is the intent is to punish team who leave before the end of the media deal. At this point they’re all staying to the end.
Does notice of intent to withdraw in the future constitute a violation? Have any of the schools actually delivered a notice or are they planning to do that on August 2nd 2024? I’m sure lawyers will argue about it.
“or (6/10) c. Withdrawing or attempting to withdraw from the Conference without complying with Section 3 above. (6/10)”
OR ATTEMPTING TO WITHDRAW
Seems fairly clear
Hopefully no payouts to the traitors as well.
I don’t like how WSU appears to be taking the lead on the legal stuff and it appears that OSU is sitting there with their thumb up their ass. It should be a united front… stronger.
oh, stop
Wazzu is taking on the legal side of the issue while Oregon State is looking out for the best option in regards to the conference. Wazzu is withholding the information Barnes is needing to make a decision on the direction of the future athletic conference both universities will be part of in 2024 and beyond.
Why is Wazzu the talking head, while Oregon State is the one who is quieter and stoic?
Maybe by design? We’re stronger together as a package then as individual schools.
OSU/SJSU did pretty dang well in the TV ratings this weekend:
https://twitter.com/DamFan98/status/1699433829583200675?s=20
But, you know, no one wants to watch OSU on TV.
A lot of that was probably it being a Sunday game and not many other options.
Or maybe because it wasn’t on P12 net at 10:30 EST.
Maybe. But we have also faced outside factors when we have had low numbers as well; games that start at 11pm eastern, games on pacnetwork with limited distribution, games that are on where beavs play crappy opponent and competeing broadcast is sec/b-10 hype machine.
There are a variety of factors, including small market size, but comparisons are very rarely apples to apples
The extra viewership and a larger payout were why we(OSU/SJSU) changed the date from Saturday to Sunday. It was originally scheduled for Saturday.
Probably helps that it’s also on CBS and not Pac12 network.
Might be a good comparison to see how USC/SJSU did the week before, when week zero only had a handful of competing games.
Except the Pac12 network doesn’t release viewer numbers, so we’ll never know.
Yeah? But a lot out enjoying the lake and other outdoor activities as the summer season comes to a close.
Good point about enjoying the end of summer activities, it was a 3 day weekend. As it turned out we weren’t home for the game. I made our family listen on siriusxm while we took a road trip through eastern Washington.
Incidentally wearing beav gear got quite a few “Go Beavs” from folks in that part of the world. Ended up chatting with one family turns out kid plays basketball for the beavs. Had to look him up, it was Tyler Bilodeau’s folks. Super nice complementary about Corvallis and OSU. Didn’t delve into WT opinions though, ha!
I think many around the nation were intrigued to see how DJ would do, obviously Beaver fans but also Clemson/ACC folks and just football fans in general.
And the intrigue will only grow as he does better and better, alongside Clemson’s demise.
Beavs have a chance to gain many fans this year with DJU bringing eyeballs from all over the country and the PAC12 implosion angle gives people plenty of villains with the Beavs being the good guys.
I think the style that OSU plus will have a broad appeal to fans in general as a contrast to all of the hype and hubris of Deion, USC and Oregon.
DamNation NIL collective is teasing some sort of announcement will be coming later today.
No idea what it’s about though.
https://twitter.com/DamNationNIL/status/1699452398392185334?t=74d4VvrtR3F1e63csIlIrw&s=19
Wes Edens found some change in his couch… or donated one of his old cars?
Close. Some anonymous donor has pledged to match every accumulated donation of $1M.
Maybe Phil Knight feels bad for his hand in killing his most prolific in state athletic department?
Well… I guess I buy 2 Gingers, instead of Jameson’s, on the next bottle.
Bloomfield, seems cut from the low ego/high output mold.
“It’s an honor”……to be called upon to pull and block.
https://youtu.be/5eElt9mJB60
Hodgins had a nice block when he was in at FB
Looks like he rotated with Starck during the game. Starck was in on the 7 second drop back TD pass.
Does anyone know which will help the athletic program more: donations to the NIL Collectives, or donations directly to the AD?
Depends on what you think is the biggest risk: retaining athletes or keeping the programs funded.
I’d say the NIL right now, since your donation doubles
Did anyone see that on blitz there is a bodacious ad banner? What a bunch of cocks!
Not a Blitz issue but the national 24/7 site is running the Ad in Network. They are targeting you based on location IP or previous Duck content engagement. I live in La and have never engaged with any Duck content so haven’t seen the Bo ads when I hit Blitz.
Who does everyone think the anonymous 50 million dollar stadium project donor was? OSU doesn’t have many alumni with that amount of money to give away, and the ones that do haven’t openly shown interest in athletics at the school. I’ve heard rumors that it was Uncle Phil considering his wife is an OSU alum and he has previously given money to OSU for things like the new video board in Gill.
The Resers are unlikely… I don’t think they are big enough to give away 50 million, that’s generally a billionaire or near billionaire type of donation….
Other possible donors could be Jensen Huang (OSU Alum, Net worth 43 billion) but he hasn’t ever really shown interest in school athletics.
or Wes Eden (Net worth nearly 4 billion, OSU alum), he is also part owner of the Milwaukee Bucks.
It was the Reser’s and I know that for a fact.
From where? Why be anonymous? The stadium is already named after them.
I mean from where did you find that as a fact?
I know people lol
To your second question, large gifts to sports can be controversial in some circles especially when you pay a lot of people minimum wage. Just ask Phil Knight.
Phil Knight’s wife is not an OSU alum
His mistress?
penny did attend osu. once a beav always a beav
She attended OSU very briefly
Why do so many people think they know how few or many OSU alums have a significant net worth?
So true.
To be able to make a 50 million dollar donation relatively on a whim, you likely have a net worth in the hundreds of millions if not more. That narrows it down significantly.
Amusing how concerned you are about facilities donations. Are you worried in Eugene? Concerned that OSU may have a silent Phil Knight that you can’t smear with your trolling?
Barnes said the current situation is an institutional situation and not simply an athletics problem. If this is the case, it will open the door to much more initiative from all departments to join the effort to rectify the situation and that may bring in the type of donors OSU hasn’t seen before. Ducks greatest fears are upon them.
Did you pull something making that massive, massive leap?
You just posted 5 times about a donor who wishes to remain anonymous. You are overly concerned about things that don’t concern you. Like a duck fan worrying about OSU athletics facilities. No leaping here.
It’s really not that deep, man. Just conversation to fill the days before the relatively low stakes game this weekend.
You need friends
wait… that’s your response?
I thought it was reported that it wasn’t, resets, or huang.
So desperate…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ay03xc_mYH4
It was actually me, but whatever
Could you please create an endowment so Beavers can go “independent?”
Thanks Alpha!
Beer money flowing
Fall issue of ‘Oregon Stater’ arrived today …the “Traditions Issue”
With all the traditions thrown in the trash the past weeks, gotta give a big sigh.
We’ll never lose the tradition of Lucy yanking that football away at the last second. It’s eternal.
Apology for continuing to bang on about this but I still don’t understand what Oliver Luck was supposed to do, is doing, has stopped doing, might do and, do for who (or is it whom?).
Yeah and curious how much he is being paid and by whom.
Had to be paid by Stanford to get them to the ACC. It’s the only thing that makes sense. Did Barnes or the prez ever speak Lucks name? It just seemed like it was reported but no actual evidence linking Luck to the PAC4 existed (other the Clownzanos article).
Wazzu originally hired him to look into extracting all they could out of the NCAA bylaws, since he was a part of the NCAA hierarchy related to such things. This is why they’re taking up the reins on the legal front.
My guess is that he’s the one who gave guidance on what constitutes a conference and all that stuff, from the NCAA’s perspective.
a couple of items in today’s Wall Street Journal on one of my favorite themes of late.
First, a story in the business section titled: “Messi Lifts Apple TV+ . . . .” In the body of the article: “Messi’s draw for MLS Season Pass and Apple TV+ is a sign of how rights and distribution partnerships with major sports leagues can have knock-on benefits for streaming platforms. Live sports are a major driver of subscriptions and engagement across streaming services, but companies from Alphabet’s Google to Warner Bros. Discovery are still figuring out how much to charge consumers to watch games.”
Later: “Apple’s competitors have gone for more-expensive sports rights that are higher profile in the U. S.,” referring to You Tube’s Sunday ticket for NFL games and Thursday night football on Amazon. “Viewers who sign up for a streaming service to binge watch a show tend to do so quickly and then cancel, but sports seasons stretch on for months, which gives the streamer time to show them other programming.” I read this to suggest that Apple is still a viable option for the Pac, something Jon Wilner also agrees with.
WSJ columnist Holman Jenkins has an allied piece regarding the significance of Charter’s dispute with Disney, to wit: “. . . the last prop of the cable bundle is sports. Disney is trying to extract every last dollar from dwindling cable viewers for its big investment in sports rights. Hence Charter’s daring decision to black out ABC, ESPN, FX and other Disney owned channels and indicates it would be fine if they never came back.”
Later: “Disney, in denial, blathers about Charter customers being deprived of Disney’s ‘unrivaled content.’ In fact, Disney’s content is quite rivaled: its movies had a terrible year. Its TV channels see plummeting viewership. Young people are more interested in what’s on You Tube, Tiktok and Instagram.”
“In an algorithmic world, what kind of content still feels authentic and engaging, yet is suited for a second-screen experience and also happens to be advertiser friendly? That’s right, sports. Expect coveted sports rights to be snapped up by the deepest-pocketed, most technologically adept players, Amazon and Apple, leaving Disney and other traditional players [here’s looking at you Fox] in the dust.”
All of this is to underscore a few points. Phil Knight was right. UO and UW should have taken the Apple deal. If the second largest cable company in the country, Charter, is ready to cut bait with the death star, that means the ESPN deals with the ACC and Big 12 will maroon Stanford and Cal plus the 4 corner schools respectively. Oddly enough, with a vigorous pursuit of legal claims, combined with a hardball posture on seizure of the Pac 12 assets, and with a commissioner that knowns what she is doing–G-L-O-R-I-A–relative to next generation media rights deals, OSU can still end up in not merely a sustainable position, but a superior one relative to some of the schools who left them for dead. I predict that in 5 to ten years OSU will be back in league with those who abandoned them, except this time, OSU and WSU will be calling the shots.
I don’t buy that Oregon went to B10 against PKs wishes. That said, I agree Ducks made a poor business decision and the money wasn’t enough to justify their decision. Stanford and Cal to ACC may go down as the worst decision in the history of the universe but I’m glad we are no long affiliated with them. They are a cancer with regards to driving decisions within a conference. Same with USC and UCLA although I don’t blame them for leaving with full shares. If WSU and Beavs play this right and are willing to be ruthless and shrewd, they could set themselves up nicely. The concern is maintaining current momentum with JS and avoiding mass exodus through portal.
Now it becomes more obvious why voices all over media were pushing for OSU/WSU to just go to the MWC and let’s all move onto the important stuff with the big conferences. If OSU/WSU can continue to control assets, maintain the PAC in some form and sue for damages in multiple venues/layers they both could come out of this ordeal in much better situations than we could’ve imagined.
Jon Wilner was pretty much tossing out any outcome other than a basic move to MWC with the no longer PAC existing. He thinks it will be too hard to figure out the legal side of continuing the PAC in some form.
IF Barnes is correct and this has the full attention of the entire OSU community and isn’t relegated to just a sports issue, then there may finally be a broader strategy and appeal to the donor base for more than academics to help resolve it and even entertaining creative approaches to move forward incorporating tech and streaming etc.
I don’t think it was out of his wishes. It came from within oregons own athletic dept that PK thought the Apple deal was good.
Tony Altimore was touching on how Oregon’s decision also has alot to do with their student population and just how many California kids come to UofO and pay out of state tuition(30% of all students), and Oregon depends on that income. If they’re not tied to USC/UCLA, they risk losing quite a few California students too. I guess??
https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/1699816073560768802
Okay, I’m an idiot… can someone tell me what GLORIA is?
Gloria Navarres is the MWC commissioner and has a handle on some of the possibilities of what may be coming as well as being light years ahead of Kliakoff in personality and presence.
It is likely that there is a version of a reverse merger bringing the MWC into the PAC next year and she will become PAC commissioner.
She was at CSU vs WSU as well as OSU vs SJSU. Interviewed on CBS during OSU game and is likely helping behind the scenes for now working with PAC2 to figure out how to create a helpful partnership in the interim until the merger can happen.
A merger eliminates MWC exit fees for each school and maintains the PAC branding. MWC has a tv deal with CBS already. CBS just lost their SEC contract and may be willing to renegotiate a contract to feature the new PAC/MWC in the near future.
PAC has a 2 year grace period to remain at 2 schools, but needs to be at 8 by 2025. MWC schools may form a scheduling alliance to help OSU/WSU maintain a 2 team conference for 2 years and then by 2025 the machinations begin with MWC/AAC and any other teams from west coast who may want to rethink their situations but OSU/WSU will hold the assets and the voting weight, as well as the hammer, so to speak.
Theoretically OSU vs WSU will be the conference championship for the next 2 years, until they add teams again.
No matter what happens, PAC will likely lose P5 status and be pushed aside but rankings give a chance to still get to the playoffs which would mean a huge financial windfall if split between only 2 schools…
Thanks OHIO… LOL, I thought it was an acronym as typed G-L-O-R-I-A. I actually liked her… well spoken lady who keeps cards close to the chest.
She’s an ex Pac12 official also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlWiQ69DGE0
CBS has the Big Ten so they already have west coast games. OSU/WSU don’t make the MWC significantly more attractive.
CBS has Big 10 games, Beav in OH, but they are limited to the 3:30 (12:30 PT) time slot. NBC paid top dollar for the 8 p.m East/5 Pacific games. Thus, if CBS wants to compete with NBC for the nighttime viewing audience, the new Pac will be there for them starting in 2026 at the latest, maybe next year at the earliest. CBS became quite fond of running SEC doubleheaders so there’s history behind this strategy.
The untapped potential is the Olympic sports on the international stage. Football may be king here, but there are student athletes from everywhere who would populate a conference widely available in their homeland. Imagine the platform something like the Apple deal would provide them.
These schools are all thinking about the future with such tunnel vision, they don’t even realize esports are already here in force, and they’re not anywhere in the conversation.
But who wants nerds in their schools? Amirite?
There’s a whole world out there. While it’s fine to focus on the revenue sports within the US market, why is everyone ignoring the billions of other eyes in the world, instead of leveraging it for more revenues?
Most of what I found on point spread this week is TBD. But Microsoft Bing puts the Beavs at -6. I hope we aren’t -6 against an FCS team.
I’m not sure why any book would even offer the game.
I had to check that out. Website shows -6, but there’s no date. Over/under is 137.5 so must have a hoops game at some point?
If Oregon State and WSU have any agreement to play MWC teams for conference games for 2024 and 2025 seasons, They will both need to find different teams for their OOC games:
Current MWC games on future schedule:
OSU 2024 – at Boise State
OSU 2025 – Fresno State
OSU 2026 -at San Diego State
OSU 2027 – New Mexico
OSU 2028 – at New Mexico
OSU 2029 – San Jose State
OSU 2030 – at San Jose State
WSU Current MWC games on future schedule:
WSU 2024 – at San Diego State, San Jose State
WSU 2025 – San Diego State
WSU 2026 – Fresno State
WSU 2027 – at Fresno State
WSU 2031 – at San Jose State
WSU 2032 – at Boise State
WSU 2033 – Boise State
available teams in each given year, minus Pac-12 defectors:
2024 – Kansas State, BYU
2025 – Kansas State, Houston, BYU
2026 – BYU x2, Houston x2,
2027 – BYU x2, Kansas State, Houston,
2028 – Kansas State, Boston College, BYU, Michigan
2029 – Michigan State, Boston College, Wisconsin
2030 – Michigan State, Wisconsin, BYU
2031 – BYU
2032 – Ohio State
2033 – Ohio State, Northwestern
2034 – Texas Tech, Northwestern
2036 – Oklahoma State
2037 – Oklahoma State
They’ll probably fill a slot with a FCS team most years, too.
Maybe – those games are expensive. With the budget shortfall the beavs can’t afford to pay $300k – $500k to play these games.
Purdue paid Fresno State 1.5 mil to come to their stadium and beat them. Let’s find some of those deals!
Ugh. The MWC is sooo bad. Watched like 20 seconds of a few games, and it’s like high school football. This is really a non starter. We can’t end up in the MWC. Barnes needs to start giving P5 powers-that-be BJs if that’s what it takes.
100% agree. This is what most beav fans can’t grasp. The MWC is garbage. Fresno St. and Boise St. being the only two ever really worth watching, and Boise St. being on the downslide. “But what about San Diego State?!” Meh. Thoroughly meh. Previous football success for them seems like a one-off.
Doing what racist Russian bot brained Maga scum like myself does is not the way to go. If the media deal garners $20M a year anywhere we go, then why not the MWC? Dominate and play OOC games that will maximize SOS. It’s the SEC in reverse if you will?
What the hell Angry! Fuck you!
What, you mean for stopping your racist, misogynistic bullshit in its tracks? Go post that shit on truth social.
It wasn’t very long ago that the Beavs were a one win unwatchable high school team.
True, but it’s more than wins. It’s the atmosphere around game day, the stadium, production value, crowd energy, etc. The Beavs always had these things even when bad. These MWC schools have the energy of dweebs asking out the prom queen.
Reser stadium would become the coliseum / Rose Bowl in the MWC.
That’s one way to look at it. USC was always too big to be hosting WSU, OSU, et al is another way. OSU, as feeble as we have been at times, is too big for the MWC.
Another way is that the rising tide lifts all boats.
Say the Pac2 manages to reverse merge, comes out with the PAC assets and negotiates a decent media deal with streaming and say CBS. If that contract comes out to even $12mil per team that’s a pretty massive windfall of cash for all of those ADs. That brings in better coaching/retains good coaches and pays for better facilities and game day experience.
This is the exact same thing that the big $$ PAC schools did for OSU/WSU. They never would have made $30+ mil by themselves, and they would be bottom of the barrel without that $$.
I’m with this mentality.
They left some Beavers in the wild to fend for themselves.
Let’s build some wetlands and restore our habitat.
Fuck around and leave us to our own devices, we’ll cut down your trees and dam your creek.
UNLV plays at Allegiant Stadium now. It’s an NFL facility. I’ve never been there but the pics look like it might be a *little* bit nicer than Reser.
Playing in front of a small crowd in a big stadium is infinitely worse than a sold-out small stadium.
Plenty of open seats to fill with orange shirts. Student beaver would be oh so happy.
Beaver and the 12 dwarfs.
Yeah that is fair, WFO. The added money could build up those stadiums and production, etc. It would take a long time, though, and by that time the landscape probably looks different.
A few of those “dwarfs” have buttfucked OSU on national television in the not too distant past.
Don’t bring that pessimism here. sir
Hey there was a time we were losing to sac state at home. We’ve moved beyond those bleak dark times. Any given Saturday still applies but given current conditions OSU certainly should expect to dominate said merged conference.
Having a local footprint to me seems more important than trying to bring in west appalacian barber college so we can say we belong to the aac or whatever.
Absolutely. Oddly enough, it would be this new PacWest conference and the SEC that would be the only remaining regional conferences.
Is there Orange turf in our future? -)
that costs too much
Gas station burrito stadium sounds about right for the MWC.
Gas station burrito undefeated, btw, in gas station food showdown
You don’t want to know how many of my main meals were some burritos from Russ’, late in the evening.
The MW, as currently configured and mediated, is a step down, no doubt. But as soon as OSU and WSU join, and G L O R I A gets the new deal with CBS, that image will improve. Besides, as you yourself once said, Angry, OSU and WSU now have an opportunity to be the big fishes in a small pond, for a change. See how the other half lives. And since the CFP has to leave 1 slot open in the 12-team tournament to avoid anti-trust implications, the Pac West (let’s call it) will clearly be the best of the rest and most years claim the last spot in the tournament. The Beavs have the clear prospect of being in the CFP playoff scenario yearly. That will be a powerful recruiting tool. And you can be sure that the other powers in the game would much rather seeing OSU and WSU occupy that 12th spot rather than Coastal Carolina, UCF, Tulsa, etc.
The only programs in the MW that actually have respectable gameday environments are Boise, Fresno, and Air Force. Coincidentally, those teams should be considered P5 programs.
“It’s a small sample size, but Week 1 gave some evidence that there’s television viewership interest in Oregon State football.
Sunday’s game against San Jose State on CBS attracted 3.23 million viewers, according to sportsmediawatch.com. Among all televised college football games from Thursday-Sunday, OSU-San Jose State was the seventh most watched.
Among all Pac-12 games, only Colorado-TCU — shown at 9 a.m. Saturday by Fox — had higher viewership.
Among all college games, only Florida State-LSU, Colorado-TCU and Ohio State-Indiana had more than a million viewers than Oregon State-San Jose State.”
So, many of us have probably seen the reports that, to mitigate travel within the Stanford and Cal infused “coastal conference,” Calford contests with Atlantic coast members in the so called “Olympic Sports” will be held in Dallas. Now I see that even Calford football games (in-conference home and away except for Cal and SMU) will be played in Texas as well. Man, talk about a bad look.
Super great for homefield advantage and nice to get core fans out to see the team. Yawn
So, what sports/games will be in Berkeley? Please help, I don’t do well at sorting out mixed-up things.
I guess ‘the big game,’ every other year? Fucking lame
The Big Lame?
Considering their willingness to take it up the backside, only rivaled by smu agreeing to take less while taking it up the rear end, I wouldn’t be surprised if the bay area teams played the big lame game in Dallas, just to appeal to their new big bothers.
The Big Gheym.
That’s going to be great for revenue and recruiting
With homes games coming fast and furious, I wonder what athletes will visit given the circumstances of the conferences. Will any prospective player with P4 offers, even bother to come? Every game will have visitors but it’ll be a good indicator of how recruiting will be going forward. The type of player the Beavs should expect to get.
QBs will be especially important. Beavs need to find one in this cycle.
Need DJU to host.
Wilner reporting that OSU/WSU has been waiting a month for the P12 governance and finances and still haven’t received them. Begs a few questions. First, why the fuck is GK still there? Secondly, why the fuck hasn’t the Pac2 done anything to relieve him of his duties? Third, why the fuck are we continuing to enable the ineptitude of this conference leadership? I don’t know what’s worse, the conference leadership or the fact that neither school shows an ounce of fortitude or a willingness to enact change? It’s really quite odd why we sit back and take this. WSU president the other day saying, we’re coming g out fists clenched. Is this what fists’ clenched looks like? Nothing? If the P2 continue to come off as clowns and spineless over this, if I’m the Mtn West, I’m starting to wonder why I want to hitch my trailer to them.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-football/wsu-and-oregon-state-still-searching-for-clarity-the-pac-12-isnt-offering-any/?amp=1
This is one of those situations where OSU and WSU need to take control as members and send their own people in to get answers rather than just sitting and waiting for them.
I thought the most telling quote was: “the conference has been poorly managed for so long.”
Yes! And part of why I’m so critical of OSU leadership. What chips we may or may not have regarding viability to other P5 conferences is a separate issue to the incompetence, hubris and enablement of our leadership for LS, GK and the lack of any info gained a month after all this went down is truly hard to comprehend. Where’s the spine for the Pac 2? Show some fight. Call people out. Shine light on all this bullshit. Unless the P12 commissioner has a hold harmless agreement and carte blanche run of the place, one would think GK could be let go for gross negligence and have any parachute be negated, or at a minimum, in serious jeopardy. The longer the Pac 2 sit here and get steamrolled by literally everyone involved in this process, the easier it will be for them to end up with shit to show for it. It’s becoming apparent that Barnes is great for fundraising and budgets but way out of his league with the logistical aspects of this situation. Murthy might be great for academics but doesn’t appear to be cut out for this stuff either. The “Stall” tactic may end up being what happens, not because it’s the best avenue, but purely due to all the incompetence involved and their inability to get anything done.
“The bylaws indicate that any school providing a “notice of departure” relinquishes its voting rights. That seems simple enough, except the 10 outbound members have not provided the Pac-12 with formal departure notices, according to a source.”
What the fuck?
That’s the delay.
The words are clear as day “Withdrawing or attempting to withdraw from the Conference without complying with Section 3 above.” They have their intent to withdraw all over every social media and in press releases. There is no skullduggery and whispers. It’s in plain sight and bragged about. Everywhere.
That would be hard to argue in court. Would love to see it.
departing schools: we haven’t given notice
Pac 2: are these announcements and press releases by the ACC/B12/B10 listing your institutions?
Departing schools: yes, but we haven’t given notice
Pac 2: are these press conferences ran by your athletic directors and presidents that say you’re glad to join the ACC/B12/B10 in fact not referring to your institutions?
departing schools: yes, but we haven’t given notice
Pac 2: all the social media posts by your athletic departments’ accounts showing the B12/ACC/B10 logo on your jerseys are in fact referring to your institutions correct?
Departing schools: yes, but we haven’t given notice
Pac 2: Calford, are you not actively working with the ACC to schedule all your games at a neutral site in Dallas?
Calford: yes, but we haven’t given notice
“or attempting to withdraw from the Conference”
:::Gavel:::
Attempting to withdraw is questionable, since this is the only place that shows up. But it clearly says all schools who give notice before August 1st that they intend to leave the conference gives up all votes on how the conference proceeds, at the point they give notice.
Essentially, Murthy and Schultz talking to each other is the current conference board.
They just need three quarters of the board to make any changes they like.
I hope 26% of the two of them don’t blow it for the rest of us.
That’s absolutely true about what the outcome would be some day in a court room.
Unfortunately, decisions need to be made now and actions need to be voted on. Can OSU and WSU get together and start taking votes right now?
I don’t know.
They should.
It’s how all the others were acting, after the LA schools gave notice.
They should be having to sue us, and we can either stall or countersue, since it’s a frivolous claim.
As Wilner says, billable hours are forever undefeated. Have to know that the other schools won’t be giving up any money if they don’t have to.
I suppose a jury said oj didn’t lop off his wife’s head so anything is possible, but this really doesn’t seem all that complicated
The decision comes down to them arguing that announcing in public that they are leaving then signing grants of rights with another conference for the period after the date of improper notice passes will not be seen as formal notice.
It’s literally them trying to relitigate “the meaning of is is,” only on shakier ground.
But they can still draw the process out with legal BS
This and every school’s lawyer will draw it out for their own wallet.
Wait!! USC and UCLA haven’t given legal notice? Do the Beavs even have a lawyer? It should be a matter of public record? I’m.sure Murthy is a lovely lady and we know she is a brilliant academic but she’s like a wisp in the wind. Could Sarah, the associate AD come out shouting? She seems to have at least more personality than either Barnes or Murthey. OTOH, Isn’t there a regent or two with balls? Do.they meet only to collect their per diem?
It doesn’t matter if it’s “legal” or “formal” or even “written.”
They gave notice. That’s that.
On top of that, they all acted in accordance with this rule as it is written, until they weren’t.
They have to sue us for their misread, not the other way around.
How are they planning to cast a vote if they are not attending? Jack is exactly right, it is the defectors obligation to prove the remaining schools are wrong and try to collect. No one is showing for meetings.
OT: College of Forestry tailgate for homecoming for those interested. If you haven’t seen Peavy yet, you really need to…
https://www.forestry.oregonstate.edu/homecoming-2023
What are good lots for tailgating these days?
That’s a good question. I have no idea. I usually show up an hour pre kick if I see someone I know I’ll drink one of their beers, head to Gill, drink another, watch my kid play, then stroll to Reser, have another, then lots of yelling.
So now we find out that all 10 teams have left the conference but they haven’t “technically” left. So the PAC2 is going to not only be stabbed, abandoned and left for dead, but they all decide to twist the knife and screw up any type of plan to go forward. And it is fine because they haven’t given written formal notice? It is the height of treachery which becomes incomprehensible and so calculated to not only depart in the manner in which they have, but to go scorched earth in such a way as to not allow a continuation of the conference, and to now disrupt any possibility of OSU/WSU attempting to rise above the ashes and survive. Did all 12 schools essentially agree that the PAC2 were the problem all along and need to be dealt with in such a disgraceful way?
OSU should never schedule any of those teams again unless they pay a Kings ransom to come to Reser.
Just when it sounds like things are hopeful regarding assets, financial scenarios, certainly the weather for time I go crazy for himI’m possible solutions, timelines and future recruiting- Lucy shows up again and pulls the football away.
It’s empty rhetoric.
They all announced in public they are leaving. They then acted in accordance with said announcements, unless any of them can provide evidence they have not done any of these things.
The bylaws don’t specify the method of notice.
I hope you are correct and the Beavs have something go their way in this whole ordeal finally.
Have they officially signed with the conferences they are joining?
If not, I would welcome any of them back into the good fight.
When I first heard Cal and Stanford were going to ACC for pennies it crossed my mind that some attorney found a loophole that allowed them to keep portion of assets or at least cash in on them. If the Ducks and UW are going to participate in fucking over the Beavs and Cougs, that’s when legislators will get involved. Cal and Stanford on the other hand, have no incentive not to fuck us over
If they’ve found a loophole, then it’s worth it to expose how obscure they can make their pettiness.
I’m sure their new conferences are paying no heed to any of their new members.
The loophole was SMU agreed to take zero share any money they would have received is being used to pay for the Cal/Stanford partial shares.
True but I wonder if they think there is some revenue that can be sucked out our P12 assets in addition
OSU/WSU should put out a press release announcing that the remaining members of the PAC have just voted to cease all revenue payouts to teams the intend to depart from the conference as of Oct 1, and only conference teams in good standing will compete for conference championships in any sport for the 2023 school year.
See how the traitors respond to it, and force them to whine publicly about the horrible injustice…
Followed by an announcement that George Kliakoff has been fired for negligence and monumental ineptitude, in conjunction with new conference offices located at the suites in the new side of Reser Stadium for the next 2 years.
That would be acting in bad faith.
Kepp it all on the up and up, and it’s a slam dunk.
Makiya Tongue just posted his video blog showing behind the scenes for the SJSU game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLT_45RzQ4Q&ab_channel=MakiyaTongue
Most interesting thing I’ve learned from his vlogs is that even for home games, the team stays in a hotel the night before, usually in Lebanon, I assume to make sure everyone stays out of trouble and to get everyone centered/focused.
Have you wvwr tried to go to bed at a reasonable hour in Corvallis on a Friday night?
Oh right….nevermind…
More important than what’s your favorite restaurant, what’s your favorite liquor store, and why?
I always liked his podcast. He’s smart…very wise to know not to take days for granted, etc. Today I got the news someone in the close, immediate family got diagnosed with cancer. I try to stress not wasting life/time here. Tongue gets that. What’s his major? I can see him getting into broadcasting or something media related. Good personality, not annoying, smart, well spoken, etc.
He’s a good kid
So my buddy who’s a wazzu fan said that wazzu is planning on doing something cool for the team and fans when they go to Pullman. Not sure what it is but it’s cool that they’re doing it.
“ON SATURDAY, WHEN THE 1-0 Cougars battle No. 19-ranked Wisconsin in Pullman, Leach will be formally honored by WSU. What form that all takes remains to be seen, but skulls and swords will be prominent on sideline attire and in a student t-shirt giveaway. Given the roll WSU’s creative team is on this season, a fired-up video salute seems likely.”
https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/longformarticle/mike-leach-washington-state-football-remembering-his-legacy-215585906/#2233916
Go Cougs
Cool. This is going to be for oregon state fans tho.
yes, WSU is planning some big welcome, “we’re in it together” moment when the Beavs take the field on the 23rd.
So far, publicly at least, WSU has presented a much better response to the situation; do they have a major in PR?
Their journalism school is one of the best in the country, thanks to Keith Jackson.
Some additional “news of the [sports media] world” courtesy of the today’s Wall Street Journal.
In a story about Pat McAfee joining the ESPN morning time slot formerly occupied by the iconic “SportsCenter” from 9-11 PT, we find: “ESPN, the dominant force in sports media for more than four decades, is feeling the effects of the fast-decaying cable TV business and is open to making some big changes. Finding fresh voices that appeal to young viewers is a high priority, especially as the network plots a tricky transition to streaming.”
Later in the same story: “ESPN’s reach to US households, via traditional cable packages or new digital distributors such as You Tube TV, has declined from 100 million in 2011 to about 71 million now. Operating income for Disney’s TV network unit, which ESPN is a huge part of, dropped 27% in the nine months period ending July 1.” [that’s astounding, showing how rapidly the system is bleeding, but I digress.] “ESPN and other Disney channels went dark for customers of Charter Communications’ Spectrum cable service last week, a dispute that shows the extent of the industry’s pressures . . . . Disney plans to offer cord cutters a stand alone app with all of its ESPN TV content in two to three years, or once its TV reach falls below 50 million households.” [Apple was reading the situation correctly]
Then in an allied story about Comcast and Disney’s plans for Hulu there’s this: “linear TV channels are losing subscribers rapidly, putting more pressure to turn to a profit on streaming.” [which goes to show how stupid Kalen Deboer, Jen Cohen, and UW President Cauce were to listen to the coach’s concerns about not being on linear TV. ]
Somewhat related…
One of the reasons Oregon and UW went to the Big10 on reduced shares is because of the potential big money their conference could net in a few years when they renegotiate their TV deal. Will be interesting if that remegotiation ends up not being as profitable as they first expected as ESPN keeps crumbling and they’re going away from their whole linear platform?
It’s very possible that the next deal the Big 10 gets via a new streaming regime will be less lucrative than their current TV deal. The thing is…..all conferences will be in the same boat at that point, fighting for whatever they can get from streaming providers. The Big 10 and the SEC will always be the ones getting the biggest deals available, so of course anyone that has a chance to get in to those conferences will jump at the chance to join them. That’s if money is the only consideration of course, instead of tradition or loyalty or whatever.
But those two conferences will be looking to shed dead weight… northwestern, vandy, Purdue, miss state, et al, done
Possibly. But no existing member could ever be kicked out of a league. The only way those programs are shed would be through an additional round of realignment, where the big schools elect to leave the Big 10 and SEC to create some kind of new super league. Could definitely happen but probably at least 10 years away.
If it’s ten years out, it’s too late.
They will be the latecomers to the party.
The market will have fundamentally changed from what it is now.
How? For one thing the biggest Big 10 and SEC games are already on free network television, so that will never change. In the event that cable collapses, ESPN, FS1 etc. will already be offering direct subscription apps that consumers can subscribe to, and obviously the fanbases of the Big 10 and SEC will provide the largest subscriber base. Are you really suggesting a scenario is possible where Big 10 and SEC just don’t find a way to stream their games in time and like the Big 12 and Mtn West etc. build up bigger fanbases?
You’re describing a whole new “media deal” landscape, which is pretty much what I just said.
Ok, apologize if I misunderstood. My main point was that Big 10 and SEC will always have the biggest chunk of whatever pie is available, regardless of if it is a smaller one in dollar terms than the one the current cable contracts provide. I’ve stated previously that all sports are likely going to have shrinking revenue in the future if cable dies, and they are forced to extract revenue only from the true fans that watch them. The other big reason teams want to get a seat at the Big 10/SEC table is that those conferences have all the most recognizable brands in the sport. So every team that joins them gets a huge boost to their brands purely by association. The intangible value of that is massive. Unregulated capitalism will always lead to monopolies and that appears to be where we’re headed.
Right and the beavs can’t be kicked out of the pac either, have any other observations?
What’s your point? Everyone else left by choice to join other conferences. Teams that are already part of the most elite conferences…..Northwestern, Vandy, etc. cannot be kicked out of them, so they are in an a phenomenal spot for the time being. A totally new super league, one that will probably be divorced totally from the NCAA, will not be happening any time soon.
Sorry, i’ll type slower…
those two conferences will be looking to shed dead weight… northwestern, vandy, Purdue, miss state, et al, done
Ok. And how would that be accomplished?
The number one ranked hoops team is dead weight?
Are you talking about the same football team that just paid Fresno 1.35 million to beat them at home?
Anyway, the teams don’t matter, the networks and school egos are in charge. A smaller market team in Oregon, or Indiana, or wherever, that are not “blue blood”/media darlings, are not going to make the next round of ncaa squid games. Those teams will leave the ncaa, if they have to, to create a new “league of champions.”
And it won’t be anywhere near 10 years from now, I’d be surprised if it was more than 5 years.
Oh, but Bend, raider fans are thankful for Aidan O’Connell, kid looks like a player
tell that (can’t get kicked out of a conference) to Temple, Rice, Uconn, SMU, Idaho, (as well as Oregon State and WSU, in effect)
the 10’s next deal, which will be streaming centric given industry trends, will almost certainly be less remunerative to the schools than the current cable/linear package. I base this on the whole drift of what I read in the financial section of the Wall Street Journal. Indeed, given industry trends, I am tending to think that the current set of deals are not sustainable and that the networks might come back to the conference and ask for some give-backs. Happens all the time in media, usually when viewership targets are not met.
Not going to stick by the numbers, but I think cable peaked in 2016 with 115 million subscribers.
So the constant references to 2011 or 2013 as the baseline are a little strange.
just going by what I read in the WSJ, which seems like an authoritative source.
Not sure you cd make up the west coast ACC / Dallas script. Something called Trojan Wire had great quips – ‘a few bored Texans might wander in.’
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Fuck the condoms and the horse they pretend is tradition.
If ya haven’t already found it, here’s a no paywall link to Wilner’s thoughts:
https://www.ksl.com/article/50725734/pac-12-legal-delay-wsu-osu-hoped-to-proceed-quickly-but-conference-office-slow-to-move
“But in the wake of the mass exodus, the makeup of the board of directors is unclear.”
Not in any way are the bylaws written so that it is unclear.
The burden of such is on the party trying to prove such.
Yes, but they can bring suits, appeals, etc. that have no substantial basis just to draw out the timeline
That’s nice, but we will still move forward.
Their suits are their issue.
OSU/WSU seem to not be moving forward because the Traitorous10 haven’t given official notice. I don’t think they’re seeing things the same way you are.
I didn’t read anything in the bylaws that specified a means of notice, no wording like “by certified mail” or any other qualifiers; ‘100+’ social media posts in two days stating their leaving to a new league were their official notice
Didnt realize Peggy Cherng (Panda Express co-CEO and OSU alum) has a net worth of $3.1B…..
And Jensen Huang is officially listed higher than the Phil Knight Family on the Bloomberg billionaire index.
https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/
We got burritos and orange chicken? #GoBeavs
And the leader in advanced A.I. technology.
I do love me some orange chicken.
Haven’t had a Reser burrito in quite awhile, but I used to like the red wrapper ones.
More than I’ve liked my Nikes
Those Philly Chinese shoes will fuck up your feet way worse than a reserrito will your gi track
Lots of orange chicken from the panda in the MU back in the day
Get her to start an endowment for the coaches. Panda express orange chicken head coach Johnathan Smith has a ring to it.
Orange Chicken Express
Black and Orange Chicken?
Blackened and Orange?
oooohhhhh…..Blackened Orange Chicken. Similar to burnt ends.
If it gets us some funding, i’ll sacrifice and eat the blackened orange chicken
PHIL STEELE REPORT: (Ranking #s are performance power ratings of each team to date and should not be viewed as actual Poll Rankings or overall Power Ratings)
The Beavers haven’t faced UC Davis since 1930. That meeting capped four consecutive seasons in which the two teams faced off, with the Beavers going 4-0. Beavers are 17-2 SU since 2000 vs FCS foes going just 5-7 ATS since ‘09 but have covered the last 4. Aggies are 3-1-1 ATS against FBS foes since 2017, including upsetting Tulsa in ’21 and San Jose State in ’18. UC Davis has only made the FCS playoffs 2 times (2018, 2021) as they have only been at the FCS level since 2004. They have only won the Big Sky once and that was back in ’18 and they were co-champs. The Aggies were 6-5 last year including a 34-13 loss to California & a 24-22 loss to eventual FCS Champ South Dakota St. Overall 3 of their 5 losses were by 6 points or less. The Aggies return 13 starters overall including 1st Tm Big Sky QB Miles Hastings who threw for 3,048 yards (70%, 20-6) in ’22 along with 5 of the top 7 receivers. UC Davis is coached by former Boise State and Colorado HC Dan Hawkins, who is 37-29 here and enters year 7. Last week UC Davis won 48-10 over Texas A&M-Commerce as they outgained them 529-285 and had a 31-11 FD edge. Oregon State got off to a nice start to the ’23 season, winning 42-17 at San Jose St and new QB Uiagalelei threw for 239 yds and 3 td’s. OSU does have a home game vs San Diego State on deck but will not overlook one of the better FCS teams this fall. Oregon State beat Montana State by 40 pts last season and that same Montana State team beat UC Davis last fall by 17 points. The Aggies are a good team, but Oregon State will not take them lightly.
#19 OREGON STATE 48, UC DAVIS 17
COMPUTER FORECAST (UCDV-ORST):
Rush Yards: 79-291
Pass Yards: 223-311
Total Yards: 301-602
Score: 16.7-45.4
EXP: 21-61
VEGAS LINE: Oregon State by 24
VEGAS TOTAL: 55 Points
+/- RATING: Oregon State by 20.0
GAME GRADE: Oregon State by 27.6
L4W Game Grade: Oregon State by 120.2
Last Met Line: N/A
Last Met Score: N/A
Points Per Yards: Oregon State by 21.8
PAC-12
#4 Oregon 38, Texas Tech 30
BEST BET: #6: USC (-29) 55, Stanford 17
#12 Washington 52, Tulsa 10
#13 Utah 24, Baylor 20
#21 Wisconsin 34, Washington State 21
COMPUTER BEST BET: #24 Auburn 28, California (+6.5) 27
UCLA 27, San Diego State 23
Colorado 30, Nebraska 28
COMPUTER BEST BET: Mississippi State (-9) 41, Arizona State 24
Oklahoma State 28, Arizona State 20
NATIONAL
#1 Alabama 35, #14 Texas 23
#2 Georgia 45, Ball State 6
#3 Notre Dame 31, NC State 20
#5 Ohio State 44, Youngstown State 7
#7 Michigan 48, UNLV 6
#8 Florida State 44, Southern Miss 17
#9 Oklahoma 48, SMU 27
#10 Penn State 48, Delaware 3
#11 Tennessee 51, Austin Peay 7
#15 LSU 56, Grambling 3
#16 Ole Miss 38, Tulane 30
#17 Texas A&M 28, Miami FL 21
#18 Kansas State 37, Troy 20
#20 Clemson 48, Charleston Southern 0
#22 North Carolina 38, Appalachian State 24
#23 Arkansas 49, Kent State 6
#25 Kentucky 45, Eastern Kentucky 13
I’m surprised cu is only favored by 2 at home, neb looked completely lost against minn.
Will be interested to see how Ivy fairs on Saturday. I’m wondering if some of those penalties were also a result of the defensive scheme to not bring a big pass rush and keep the d-line in their specified lanes to reduce the scramble ability of the qb. Under “normal” circumstances with more emphasis on bringing pressure, more variety from the d-line sets and calls should hopefully result in less time for the qb to be comfortable. Scheme definitely worked to contain the qb but would also result in more pressure on the DBs to maintain coverage. Obviously J Rob and others didn’t have the amount of penalties Ivy did, but I’d expect him to cut those down as he continues to get comfortable in the D1 competition, more comfortable in the scheme and benefiting from more qb pressure.
Offensively, I’d like to see D Mart get his 100 yds fairly early and allow more Newell time. It’s interesting that for years we’ve seen a 3-4 person rotation but yet in game 1 it was definitely limited to RB1 with just a few plays for Fenwick. Would also like to see the TE get involved a bit more in passing game. Veiling is a great weapon and the xfer from Cal seems like a matchup problem with his size and athletic ability. Hard to spread the ball around to all the weapons but I feel like the great TE we have are underutilized.
Listening to a radio show yesterday where they talked about the lengths SMU went to to jump into a Power 4 conference.
They gathered their boosters and pooled together $200M to basically cover any media money they would have gotten, so they could make themselves more attractive to a conference and waive their actual media share. $200M just to get to play with the big boys (if the ACC are considered big boys any more?)
$200M, to essentially buy your way into college football survival.
This is what fringe teams like OSU are up against. It’s become pay to play, and if you’re not willing to pay your way in, you get left out, regardless of how good or bad your athletics program performs.
So now the OSU fans get bombarded with constant requests to make donations. NIL donations. Stadium ticket donations. Athletic department donations. Yes, the requests for donations have always existed, but soon we will have squeezed every ounce of juice out of the fan base….and then what?
Without a mega donor stepping in, this program will cease to exist. But what does that even mean?
Football competition now more than ever has turned into a dick measuring contest where the highest bidders or the ones born into privilege(located in a football market) are the one who get the trophy. Yay?
Honestly, I’d rather play smaller scale football with the Fresnos and Boises than try to force our survival and constantly be chasing financing. It’s not sustainable.
speaking of squeezing every ounce of juice out of the fan base, the NIL Collective has been auctioning off a Living Room suite for the UC Davis game all week. With the starting bid at $2500.
They haven’t had a single bid, and the auction ends in less than 2 hours.
https://givebutter.com/c/fs2NQN/auction/items/174996
My bad, there was 1 bidder 4 days ago. Maybe it’s like Ebay and everybody will try to snipe each other with 5 seconds to go
Actually, snort, it says one bid of $2500
None of this matters for them if they can’t drive fan engagement because, at the end of the day, that’s how they drive revenue for the conference. SMU isn’t a big school, so they don’t have a P5 alumni base. They’re in a saturated market. Who in the DFW area is going to care about them playing in the ACC when they could follow other Texas schools that actually play local rivals? How are they going to actually increase the value of their brand?
“Honestly, I’d rather play smaller scale football with the Fresnos and Boises than try to force our survival and constantly be chasing financing. It’s not sustainable.”
Yep, right there with you, I think so is WFO, and a host of others. The regional college game will still have value too. I don’t ever see a point where OSU will be allowed to be in the “championship league” of semi pro minor league athletics
It’s not worth it. The dick measuring is what is going to bring down institutions like SMU, especially since they are private.
DJ with the Manning Award QB of the week recognition. Doesn’t mean anything that I can tell but it’s nice twitter exposure.
https://allstatesugarbowl.org/news/2023/9/7/football-oregon-states-dj-uiagalelei-earns-manning-award-quarterback-of-the-week.aspx
It is quite interesting how under the radar Martinez 148 yards/8.5 yards per rush the been since the game.
DJU may have been a revelation to a lot of fans/media, but if Martinez continues to average 148/ game, it will mean a lot of things are going right on offense.
Martinez will have bigger games and longer runs than he had on Sunday but if the ice stays close to that he will approach 1600 yards for the year.
Beavs can average 35-40 ppg and also limit opponents possessions with clock management. Feels like good things are happening.
Just a casual 150 nbd
and here we go. OSU/WSU are suing the Pac12 for the rights to the remaining assets.
Seems like it should be the other way around that the other 10 teams should have to sue….but I guess this is how you get the ball rolling sooner rather than later.
https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1700205432466452846
Freaking paywall article of course…
What was the trick to reading these again?
https://web.archive.org/web/20230908185502/https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/08/pac-12-chaos-washington-state-oregon-state-take-legal-action-against-the-conference-over-control-of-assets-voting-rights/
Yes, it would seem that we have control and the treacherous 10 should have to sue, but we also can’t wait until forever to try and recoup some of the assets and lose them all.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38353933/oregon-state-washington-state-file-complaint-pac-12
Now this is what I’m talking about. Sue these bastards, seize control! POS’s!
Not only treachery but vindictiveness on top of it. There were planning to depart and divide the scraps amongst themselves while intentionally leaving WSU and OSU destroyed and destitute. Insane treachery by the 10. They were going to meet and just vote to dissolve the conference and divide assets among themselves.
Bylaws say they no longer have a vote but there is no limit to the hubris of the schools who were once part of the conference.
The lawsuit names the 10 and Kliakoff as the wrongdoers.
Good first step and should be filed in Oregon as well as Washington by both schools.
Shouldn’t have taken this long to pursue legal action. Shame it even needs to come to this at all, but definitely needed to do this sooner than this. Also, Murphy saying the fans shouldn’t have to wait long seems like a major mistake. Legal system not really known for it’s speedy resolutions.
It’s pretty obvious at this point what the plan is. Are fans really still waiting?
Unless the Big 12 has a change of heart, we’re going to end up in the MWC in some capacity.
So basically George Kliavkoff thought it was a good idea to schedule a board meeting for this coming Wednesday and allow all 12 teams to vote on dissolving the Pac12 conference(with only a 3/4 vote needed to destroy everything) and OSU/WSU hands were now forced to ask for an emergency an emergency temporary restraining order to stop that meeting and vote from happening (since OSU/WSU believe they are the only 2 teams who have the right to vote at this point)
For anybody who has been defending George Kliavkoff, can we now see that the guy is a complete train wreck and stop apologizing?
Wonder how much the other teams were paying him to rush this vote through ASAP so they could get a piece of the dissolved conference?
And with a 3/4 vote, those teams could even potentially re-set the bylaws the squeeze OSU/WSU out completely from receiving any piece of the assets. That’s how f’d the situation could become if the courts don’t see it the way OSU/WSU (or anybody who can read) does.
Say what you will about GK: it takes big brass balls to call a 12-member vote at this point. Clearly the man has absolutely no fear of looking like a moronic stooge.
It only takes 9 votes to dissolve the conference, at which the assets are superseded among all 12 members. The fact that GK is planning these meetings and letting all departing schools attend as board members really looks like he wants the conference to dissolve. Who is paying him behind the scenes?! Reading the lawsuit it sounds like OSU and WSU are going after him directly for bylaw infringement… they must smell the collusion and see through is bs
It takes two votes to dissolve the conference.
The other 10 schools have abandoned their rights to vote.
I think this confirms that GK as a plant by Vegas to accelerate the demise of the conference in order to create the current realignment scenarios.
I wonder if any of the 10 have misgivings about who they’ve cast their lot with as this all unfolds. I suppose everyone is now showing their true cards and how much they view themselves superior to OSU and WSU.
Makes sense why every school fired their coach after an upset to either school. I’d say neither school was the doormat they were apparently supposed to be over the years.
The hubris to just outwardly go forward with a board meeting and vote to dissolve the conf and take the money and run is just straight up mafia mentality. Lookin right at OSU/WSU sayin “we’ll whatcha gonna do about it chumps” when it’s literally spelled out in the bylaws.
Go to war and make it as ugly as you can for Kliavkoff and all the other schools for as long as possible no matter what the litigation costs.
That’s some NIL money I can get behind donating to
Bet he has a buyout tied to the event of the conference dissolving.
Otherwise he’s a lame duck for the PAC2 as his relationships with media partners are probably in shambles.
It’s good to have clarity on the financials. The conference “war chest” is basically non-existent if total net assets are only $42.7M. Cash value is likely much lower. Let’s assume we get $10M a piece: that buys us 6-12 months of time with no conference.
Equity value of the PAC Network only really matters if they’re trying to sell off equity to a VC or something. The net revenue will be non-existent with only OSU/WSU games to broadcast. The other assets mentioned are: NCAA tournament units (potentially null if there aren’t enough members), bowl contracts (which seem like they can be invalidated pretty easily), and CFP payouts (potentially null if there aren’t enough members).
It would seem the “stall” strategy will actually hinder taking advantage of a lot of those competition-based assets and the PAC really needs MWC members in ASAP in order to have a hope of taking advantage of them.
1. How to follow the filing?what if the restraining order is denied?
If denied, GK and his puppet masters will dissolve the conference and we get nothing. We’ll then have to retroactively file a suit claiming disolution of the conference and distribution of the assets violated the bylaws and we’ll likely be awarded some fraction of the assets minus legal fees.
$42.7 M is the current net assets, but they are due to receive $50.2 from the Men’s basketball tournament payouts.
Plus the Pac12 network and conference name are assets that aren’t currently part of that $42.7 figure.
No idea what their true value is, but it’s not zero.
Surely the other schools would have a claim on the $50.2M if it was due to their participation in the tournament. They will at least claim that. It muddies the water in any arbitration case. Maybe OSU/WSU concede that as part of a settlement?
The conference name “value” is definitely included in the $42.7M net assets and has no cash value and hence no value to the ongoing operation of the OSU and WSU AD’s.
My point was those asset values don’t translate directly into cash, and hence have no actual value for the 2PAC unless they are planning on A) borrowing against them or B) selling off a portion to some kind of alternative funder like a VC.
It seems that the bylaws are written that the tournament money is evenly divided between all conference members.
The check gets written to the PAC 12 office and gets distributed to active members. There’s only two now…
“No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and
ending on August 1, 2024;”
According to that, they CAN’t withdraw before August 2 2024.
If I’m reading it right that part is explaining what constitutes breaching the agreement. Which includes notice to withdraw to another conference. But I’ve been wrong before.
That’s only the 1st line of section 3. The 2nd line says something to the effect of, “IF a member DOES give notice to withdraw before that date” then goes on to describe how they lose their voting rights, etc. It’s like giving a 2 week notice at work. Yes, I’m technically still here but I’m done as of that future date. And just like any company would do if a CEO gave notice they were leaving, ESPECIALLY to a competitor, they definitely don’t let that person maintain all the decision making power.
According to that, they can’t even say they’re withdrawing until that time.
The main thing i don’t like in all of this is the section in the Bylaw where it states:
“The Conference may place a member on probation or suspension, or terminate its membership, by vote of at
least three-fourths of all the members of the CEO Group eligible to vote on the matter, for one or more of the
following reasons: (6/10)
c. Withdrawing or attempting to withdraw from the Conference without complying with Section 3 above. ”
Sure, these teams clearly violate the “attempting to withdraw” portion of this statement, but then who are the CEO group that gets to comprise the 3/4 vote to boot members that don’t comply? By all moving at the same time, they basically get to vote on whether they should continue to get to vote, depending on the interpretation.
Section 3 merely states
“3. Withdrawal.
No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and
ending on August 1, 2024;”
Which in a sense, they haven’t violated if they haven’t communicated their intent to withdraw directly with the conference, despite their public statements.
I’d imagine the schools that did leave did so because they felt comfortable with their sitting on this matter. It’s not like they decided to ignore the bylaws before making their decision.
But it did kind of feel like a lot of rats jumping a sinking ship with little concern for the fallout. Perhaps they didn’t really consider the clear language of the bylaws until they realized the bum rush media blitz for OSU and WSU to just slink away wouldn’t work.
If OSU/WSU had just folded and gone to MWC in the following weeks, it all dissolves as they wished but the delay has brought them back out of the shallows to try and attempt the kill shot.
It is criminal and outrageous. Can any of these institutions fanbases be ok with these actions? Incredible to see this play out and how the PAC12 offices have seemingly been complicit along the way.
If this part is true I don’t even know what to say:
“The Pac-12 has seen 10 members leave since last summer, starting when UCLA and USC announced they would join the Big Ten in 2024. The complaint points out that the board seats and voting rights of those schools were immediately rescinded. ”
So Georgie wants to bring USC and UCLA back in to the conference CEO group after they’ve been booted for the better part of two years so they can vote on giving themselves more money?
Plus the precedent set by the conference immediately rescinding their voting rights when they announced they were leaving?
The lawyers need to look back through the books at when USC/UCLA announced they were leaving. Did the PAC brass wait for their official departure paperwork or did they immediately rip the carpet out from under them on their verbal announcement? That’s them setting their own precedent for following the bylaws that they’re now trying to ignore.
Exactly right. If USC/UCLA never actually gave a formal notice to the Pac12 offices that they were intending to leave, and only announced it in the public forums like the other 8 schools, then USC/UCLA could really make things messy and essentially void every vote that has happened since they were cut out.
I wonder if precedent will matter here.
LA schools announced they were leaving and haven’t been allowed to attend or participate in a board meeting since.
Colorado announced they were leaving and were not included in any of the board meeting the next week.
The remaining 7 leave and GK schedule a board meeting with all 12 invited….
One of the 10 leaving president then says, “it seems rather clear that any 9 can vote to dissolve the conference at any time.”
It’s so shady.
I didn’t see that they had done the same to Colorado.
Them trying to hide behind the “we haven’t filed the official paperwork yet” line is razor thin. The precedent is set.
Their argument will be they are not technically officially withdrawing until after Aug 1, 2024 even though there has been a verbal to that fact.
The true civil war begins!
“Yes, we’re leaving, but we’re not leaving until after August 1, 2024,” Isn’t a defense.
The add-on sentence is irrelevant, not clarifying.
It’s a yes or no question.
“Which in a sense, they haven’t violated if they haven’t communicated their intent to withdraw directly with the conference, despite their public statements.”
Nope.
They have communicated through official public channels that they are leaving. It’s the same as reporting a public lien by putting it in the local paper, except they wanted everyone to see it, instead of tucking it away with the classifieds.
This whole thing reminds me of my buddy whose wife cheated on him with a local Veterinarian, who she ended up marrying down the road. They now live ON Lake Oswego. In the divorce she went after everything he had (which wasn’t much) and was awarded his boat and bird-dog. This is getting hard to watch.
In this case the dog would be Georgie, they can have him
The next thing that needs to happen is to FOIA request all email and phone correspondence between GK, the 10 scumbag ADs/presidents and Oliver Luck.
Everyone is public other than USC. If it gets bad enough they could probably subpoena those also.
Time to break this shit wide open.
I mean, we even had live zoom calls with Board of Trustee members voting live from the golf course to leave the conference.
There’s really no need for a public records request for oregon.
https://www.outkick.com/oregon-board-chair-voted-to-join-the-big-ten-in-the-middle-of-playing-golf/
You almost get the sense that people worked very hard to NOT keep the Pac-12 together – that it wasn’t just incompetence, ignorance and naivety.
Collusion?
Now Murthy takes a direct shot at the UO.
It’s heating up.
link?
https://leadership.oregonstate.edu/speeches-and-statements/why-we%E2%80%99re-still-fighting-pac-12
Gotta say, love the letter by Murthy… especially the dig on the Ducks.
“…There is a feeling of hope and anticipation that unites people from all backgrounds and every part of our state and nation because they share a common purpose: to cheer on Oregon’s statewide university.
This is Beaver Nation.
It’s a scene repeated in college towns across America – and for reasons that are about more than just a game. Preserving, and indeed advancing, the economic and cultural dividends that strong intercollegiate rivalries offer to a state such as ours have been front and center for me as I have navigated the sudden and unexpected unraveling of the Pac-12 Conference on Aug. 4.
On that morning, public universities chose money over mission, abandoning more than a century of tradition of the Pac-12 to join the Big Ten Conference and triggering a cascade of departures. Yes, college sports have become big business for media companies and others. But taxpayer-supported educational institutions have a special obligation to keep the interests of their students and citizens as their top priorities, particularly when “following the money” can lead to real harm to communities and institutions across their home states. After all, we are here for the public good.
Sadly, the decisions of public institutions have now left our historic conference in ruin….”
I like “real harm” in there.
Given the trajectory of the vindictiveness from the 10, I’m concerned if the Beavs do actually get to 10-0, either UW or Oregon will be instructed by their puppeteers to take out Martinez/DJU with a cheap shot or late hit type of dirty Cobra Kai nonsense.
It was “just business”, but now it is becoming quite personal and the 10 are intending to make it so. OSU/WSU have turned this ordeal into a public relations nightmare for the 10, especially UW and Oregon.
I’d like for ASU, Utah and UA to speak up and say this wasn’t their doing and they side with OSU/WSU in the aftermath.
Yuk – I just spoke with a lawyer friend – neutral, not a football fan at all but I sent some of the postings and other information to read. If the other 10 haven’t signed a legal notice of withdrawal, they are still members. Have the other 10 been waiting for the restraining order? If it’s denied, we’re toast.
That’s the scariest thing. There’s no definition for how the teams should communicate to the conference that they are leaving.
Common sense says they have communicated it, but when it comes to legal matters, anything can be argued.
It could be argued they have communicated that to everybody except for the conference when they announced publicly they were joining the Big10/Big12/ACC.
But then i would argue that the conference is part of the audience when they communicated it publicly.
The clause about “even if the member is a part of another conference” assumes that someone would not be allowed to say they were leaving the conference, regardless of when that is intended.
The actions taken speak for themselves. The public announcements through official public outlets is notice.
Your lawyer friend is just like everyone else taking. It’s just rambling. Don’t care how good he is.
Go through the bylaws.
Ask him this question based of prior cases and precedent. Very simple Q too.
Can I join a board and INTENTIONALLy vote to make personal gain for myself or family while knowing I will resign and join my competitors board.
This conference was founded to protect each other. I have been on multiple boards. Lots of bylaws are even protected further outside the boards bylaws. I’m just talking tho like everyone else.
Weren’t USC and UCLA excluded from P12 meetings on the same exact grounds when they announced they were leaving last year?
Doesn’t “attempting to withdraw” disqualify them? Even if they haven’t legally declared, it’s clear an attempt was made. I would think that the other schools also have something in writing from the other conferences that all parties signed before they announced their “intent to leave”. The paperwork from negotiations should also be enough. I find it hard to believe the promises were verbal. That paperwork would be damning.
The section about attempting to withdraw says a team that attempts to withdraw can be voted out by a 3/4 vote.
But who gets to vote? The other 11 teams? or just OSU/WSU?
If it’s the other 11 teams, there will be no movement on that front.
That provision works well when 1 team is attempting to leave, but it’s not clearly defined in a situation where 10 teams attempt to leave.
Look, I’m a keyboard warrior like the rest. Although I did take my LSATS. Lol. Anyway, I haven’t seen anything yet that says it requires that noticento be in writing. However, even if it did, these schools have had public press conferences with their Presidents and ADs talking about leaving and how glad they are to join these new conferences. Their official social media profiles have had images with the new conference logos on them. The new conferences have had official announcements. Print media interviews and I’m sure there’s more ways that I’ve not listed. So even if it says written notice, I’m not sure that would even stand up in court given all the ways they’ve announced these changes. It’s not like 1 rogue Oregon employee was like, yeah, we’re going to the B10. But, we’re just all spit Allina at the end of the day.
Now we’re starting to get it.
Not only did they give public notice. Their actions can be construed as notice, as well.
This is very complex and I’m not a lawyer but I think it’s important to understand politically and socially where we are.
Oregon State and WSU have brought forth a very simple argument even though all of you above bring up the legal complexity.
Are the members who are leaving allowed to partake in voting and essentially put OSU and WSU at even larger losses in doing so. Can you (even tho maybe legally they haven’t left) make bylaw and board decisions at the benefit of some and not the collective. Clearly not every board vote is unanimous but what’s interesting on this. 10 of those potential votes are leaving. So I would imagine the bylaws or even state/federal requirements would be to act in good faith.
Now the political parallel. Look at ole Donald Trump. Going to defend himself for being dumb (documents) and also for generally talking. These 10 conferences said they were leaving but maybe never officially said it. Does it count?
It’s no apples to apples let alone apples to oranges but really look at those who want him to go away (prosecuting) on the basis of speaking what he believes ignorant as it maybe. This same 10 institutions will argue that we never officially said we were leaving, we just told people we were. I find it ironic when generally these schools are preaching liberalism that all of a sudden the same 10 will lie through the teeth just as DJT.
Here is what I predict…
Good call filing in WA and this likely is a short term win.
You can’t be acting in good faith while leaving a conference and attempting to pilfer it for $.
Long time – no idea.
Oh yeah, and how many in Beaver Nation still want to play those *ucks?
Terminate those games now for 2024 and beyond.
Anyone notice the Judge of the Superior Court of Whiteman County is a former president of the Cougar Club and a WSU alum?
Link
https://www.whitmancounty.org/directory.aspx?EID=18
https://trellis.law/judge/gary.j.libey
Thanks
We need to sue ESPN and Fox as well. I hope Murthy is truly pissed off…. hell has no furry like a women’s scorn.
Pretty damning statement about furries
Ok, well, those furry suits can get hot as hell…or so I’ve been told.
It is shocking how the league stayed together for so long if these types of undercurrents and animosity have been present from the other institutions.
It seems like USC was instrumental in limiting the growth of the conference but OSU/WSU are the convenient scapegoats that get all of the blame.
Yeah, it kills me that two years ago USC was preventing conference growth. I wonder if they think they have some legal immunity being a private university. I guess we will see how this plays out.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/oregon-state-s-legal-action-against-pac-12-meant-to-find-a-clear-path-forward/ar-AA1gs5Wm
I wonder if the 10 want to destroy their national image? They are a bunch of carpet baggers. Do they want the behind-the-scenes activities to come to light? It was really weird all the secrecy about the media deal. Maybe Apple can shine some light on what really took place and the timelines. Was George holding out till some presubscribed time to put the deal out there? Same thing now, stonewalling the Beavs and Cougs at the behest of the 10. I hope our success continues so the color guy at games can talk about the 10 trying to bury the 2 land grant schools. Not one of the 10 made a case for taking OSU or WSU to their new benefactors. These are strange times.
Discovery will be fascinating!
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1700216157133762859?s=20
Breach of Bylaws
DEF: Georgie and Pac 12 conference
Per Daschel, the hearing is on Monday at 11am in Whitman County Superior Court.
https://twitter.com/nickdaschel/status/1700232491486085288?t=6lMweSXHh5Vfx8AIJt_x_Q&s=19
Did any of the Traitorous10 issue press releases about joining their new conferences? I could see an argument that says none of the public announcements were direct quotes/statements by their organizations.
Colorado
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38083687/colorado-board-unanimously-approves-move-pac-12-big-12
UofA / ASU
https://www.statepress.com/article/2023/08/asu-leaves-pac-12
UofO / UW
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38134021/oregon-washington-officially-leave-pac-12-big-ten
USC /UCLA
https://www.si.com/college/usc/football/-usc-ucla-are-leaving-pac-12-conference
Utah
https://localnews8.com/sports/local-sports/2023/08/04/utah-leaving-pac-12-conference-for-the-big-12-conference-in-2024/
Looks pretty cut and dry
The legal filing: https://wpcdn.web.wsu.edu/news/uploads/sites/2797/Complaint1.pdf
I wonder if the TV powers will “force” the Big 12 to take the Beavs and Wazzu to make this all go away? Seems like a more sensible solution. If not I hope this gets messy and behind-the-scenes dealings get exposed.
This may be the actual “stall strategy” by OSU and WSU. Force the culprits to find another solution instead of hiding after trying to dismantle the whole conference in one fell swoop.
And also the reason lawsuits are necessary at this point, force the traitors to show their hand and defend their decisions on the record because they have tried to save themselves through PR stunts and no one is buying it.
I wonder how many fans of these institutions will rethink why they root for these teams.
Great contributions by all of the angrybeavs helping with links and legalese. I really appreciate the many voices chiming in with updates, commenting regarding legal understanding of bylaws etc. Lawyers will make their money for both sides but I will hold out some hope that this can turn out for the best for OSU.
A Big12 invite will be the simplest solution but I wonder if OSU/WSU have already let that ship sail given public comments about student athletes and excessive travel. The recruiting angle from OSU seems to stick to an appeal for more regional travel.
Continued P5 status and limited travel don’t seem to be on the horizon without the PAC12 schools reversing course.
At this point it sure feels like OSU and WSU would reject a Big12 offer since they’ve been touting regionality, tradition, and putting the SAs above the money. If they go to the Big12 now, they’re no better than the rest.
There would be a total of 7 schools still within the old PAC-12 footprint. Most of the travel would be to those schools so I think it could still be sold as “better for the student athlete” vs BIG10 & ACC
The full cocksuckery of the abandoners being revealed….
So WSU is the new rivalry game? Maybe the two schools can start it off by acknowledging solidarity even as they compete.
WSU apparently leads the football series 56-47-3.
WSU 8-2 in the last 10, lost last year….
The “traitorous ten” slimy bastards were going to dissolve the league with the help of Georgie Boy. I wonder how long his contract goes for, he’s probably getting paid no matter what happens. Thank God, Schulz was the leader of the board and figured out what was going to happen.
July 1, 2021, which began a five-year contract.[5] University of Oregon president Michael H. Schill led the five-person search committee and described Kliavkoff as “the new prototype for a sports commissioner.”[6]
Thanks, Helmsley. The numbnut gets paid through half of 2026 then. “New prototype” as in literally destroying what you’re in charge of and still getting paid for three years after!
Unless 2Pac fires him for cause
The bylaws look as though the 10 are going to give notice Aug 2024. I see that in the wording, if you leave for another conference or go independent during the time of 2011 to 2024 you relinquish your seat. In essence they are saying they are not renewing their membership and until that time they are members in good standing. I build cabinets and know squat about these legal matters, and hope this isn’t the scenario. If this is a dry hole then maybe what is actionable is the collusion between SC and the commissioner to bring down the conference.
I read the filing and in the filing there are three main claims to the case. One: that the 10 did give notice (although it does not state it was given in writing). Two: Because they announce their voting rights are revoked. Three: Points one and two are proof that the 10 leaving do not have the conferences best interest in mind as stated is required in the by-laws when voting on conference matters. I think the main item is point three more so then one and two.
Exactly what my line of thinking is. There also are precedents prior for when bylaws are missing pertinent information.
Think of a case scenario where I join the board of XYZ. I decide that I can get more money at ABC. I announce I’m leaving and I still request ability to make decisions. Get out of here with that. GK is a loser.
Realizing I have zero influence on any of this, I wouldn’t want the Cougs and Beavs to go to the Big 12.
I prefer recruiting for regionality and local fans. The Big 12 is scummy and tainted.
The truck stop conference
Tim euhus brought a great point on joe beaver show,
“When usc and ucla announced their intentions to leave pac, both schools lost their voting rights”. Didn’t that set the precedent ?
NiceBeaver mentioned earlier that all 12 would be voting on Wednesday
That was the plan, anyway. Doesn’t mean it was in accordance with the bylaws.
Same with Colorado, they instantly lost their seat at the table, THOSE are the precedents. For fucking Georgie to call a meeting of 12 schools is horse shit. Thus the lawsuit.
Saw a screen shot of some of the filing. There’s a portion that says towards end of August GK called WSU president to call for a meeting to discuss in part, the employment and compensation plan for Commisioner and other P12 employees. WSU pres declined to schedule this meeting stating the rapidly evolving situation at hand with other P12 memebers leaving. After being denied the meeting, GK then sends the email to the P12 CEOs (12 presidents) to call for a meeting himself and in violation of the bylaws and established actions of departing universities starting with the announcements made by USC/UCLA.
Holy shit. What a fucking rat GK is. I’m no lawyer, but he mightve put himself in a position for more than just being fired. Lol. Maybe he is just that incompetent and not working for another institution to stonewall the P2.
to call for a meeting to discuss in part, the employment and compensation plan for Commisioner and other P12 employees.
which on????!!! Was GK going to ask for a raise???????
So Oregon administrators were instrumental in bringing Kliakoff into leadership and USC was instrumental in hindering all conference expansion, UW was instrumental in rejecting the Apple deal, Colorado was the first to stir rumors of leaving, UA and ASU were outspokenly tied at the hip as a duo of leverage, Utah played everything pretty straight but eventually linked with ASU and UA as a group for additional leverage, Stanford and Cal wanted out so badly that they forego hundreds of millions in revenue and create a murky delayed timeline trying to get into ACC while OSU/WSU twist in the wind.
Yet they are victims because they won’t get to vote to shut the conference down? Simultaneously ridiculous and outrageous.
I have no beef with Utah leaving. They were always a better fit in the Big 12.
I sort of do. Utah got upgraded to the P-12 and then ended up panicking to the B-12, so they are sort of the problem. If the five schools had stayed, it would still be a seven-team league which would be a hell of a lot more viable for adding teams.
to call for a meeting to discuss in part, the employment and compensation plan for Commisioner and other P12 employees.
what about ????!!! Was GK going to ask for a raise???????
In the long run wouldn’t the legal issues with the Pac 12 need to ironed out by a federal judge as the Pac is in several states. Unfortunately, some of those teams have some very powerful political alums.
Probably depends on the charter. It could very well be decided in a jurisdiction specified by the conference, maybe CA because that’s where the HQ is?
I think GK and the traitorous 10 wanted to kill the reverse merger option too. It sounds like the P-2 can retain Power 5 status for at least two years and also garner more funds like next year’s MBB tourney dollars. It’s looking to me like the stall option with a two-team league has potential
not sure about the two year thing, but reverse merger is easily our right to do
Anyone listen to Conzano today? CFP will pay the pac 50 million per year for the rose bowl game each of the next two years and maybe this year as well. I couldn’t hear every word due to noisy children. It’s at least 100 mil owed to the conference. He really thinks the two remaining schools should stick around for all the money owed or in the war chest. Anyone else have details about this?
Is that even if a Pac 12 team doesn’t play in the Rose? I assume after this year the Pac won’t have a team in it. Unless the winner of OSU-WSU game gets a Rose Bowl bid haha.
Yes it was part of the agreement to make it a part of the CFP. At the time of the announcement the terms weren’t disclosed. I’m curious how accurate that number is.
Fun is tomorrow, pray for safety for all involved.
Less than 24 hours to go and the game still isn’t sold out.
1-0 with a good first performance and unique new QB, highest ranking in years, a ton of hype around the program, and the very first game in our newly renovated stadium, and that still isn’t enough for us to sell out just 35,000 seats (25,000 seats minus student allotment).
Can’t say I’m happy with Beaver Nation for not showing out for our boys….. Again, I get it’s an FCS foe, but none of the other games are sold out either, but the UCLA one (homecoming) does seem like it’s getting close.
We can talk all the talk we want about how we deserve better media deals and such, but we need to walk the walk as well. The stadium for our bowl game was half empty last year, and we can’t reliably sell out the 2nd smallest stadium in power 5 football despite being a top 20 program. The reality is we just don’t have a large passionate fan base. I know I’ll get hate for this on here, but it’s just the truth
Did your parents not give you enough attention as a kid?
Late games suck for commute and no one wants to see a game against a foe that doesn’t matter that’s going to be a blowout.
They’re staying home to give the Beavs high tv ratings!
Numerous big time programs sell out all games, even versus FCS.
Kansas played a home game against Illinois today and the stadium looked about 65% full and Kansas had their best team in a decade last year. Move along Duck troll. Football games aren’t always sellouts everywhere but Corvallis.
Kansas isn’t a program in the top 20 projected to possibly win the conference and breaking in a new stadium.
Per daschel
“Oregon State expects to officially call Saturday’s UC Davis game a sellout later today. A few hundred tickets remain”
You’re welcome, duckie
Neato.
Go to one of them.
I’d be there, but can’t take a 1&3 year old. Going to next week cause it’s better hours for kid. Going to Utah with no kids though
Gosh, we didnt fill an NFL stadium(with 65k capacity) for a mid tier bowl game? What are we ever going to do?
Did you see Florida’s attendance at that game?
It’s a later game and it’s against a shit opponent. I love the Beavs, but I don’t have the disposable income to drive all the way down there, buy tix/food for 4 people, and get back to PDX around midnight. Not for UCD. I think lots of people are in the same boat.
Were you dropped on your head as a child multiple times?
Attendance: 45,723 (85%)
Capacity: 54,000
This was for a noon kickoff. Against an FCS opponent. On the Pac-12 network
Last Saturday. Portland St at Oregon
https://goducks.com/sports/football/stats/2023/portland-state/boxscore/22320
I’d say that the turnout for tomorrow is going to be just fine.
Wtf?
This is bunk.
Charter thinks ESPN is a dumpster fire dragging down cable. Who crashes first?
https://fortune.com/2023/09/07/charter-ceo-chris-winfrey-disney-espn-enough-is-enough-cable/amp/
ESPN has a story on its website telling Charter cable subscribers to work around the blackout by downloading the ESPN+ app.
Pres. Murthy will be on the network pre-game show tomorrow with Ron Callan and BIG Jim Wilson. Don’t know exact time.
1st anniversary for Pres Murthy, time flies when you’re having fun!
Oh, and she has a Masters Degree from ………Washington State!
This place has turned into an echo chamber with the football success of last year. I speak the truth you all don’t wan’t to hear.
You’re the one who insists on pissing into the wind.
You wouldn’t know critical thinking if it slapped you in the butt.
Your straw men are all noted.
Now just shut up and please stop with this incessant whining.
Pledge: If we even *make* the Pac 12 title game this year, I will delete my account and never come back.
If you only knew how many people here have clicked the “x” button on you. Your silence is deafening.
And the same number of people will care about that as they do about the rest of your comments.
Haven’t you already pledged a sign in the student section?
When I see that one, I’ll believe this one.
Sure looks like the top 20 to 30 take all of the 4 and 5 stars. They ought to handicap teams similar to golf. Subtract points for how far over average you are in total stars. It is truly amazing what OSU does with their star total.
https://247sports.com/college/oregon-state/Season/2024-Football/OverallTeamRankings/
Circular reasoning tends to do that.
Bama recruits 5 stars, he is a 5 star if Bama recruits him and he signs…
Oregon St recruits 3 stars, he must only be a 3 star if he signs with Oregon St
Do this times 1000 favoring 1-2 conferences over 15 years and you have a built in assumption about programs and whether they “belong” based on roster talent, and preseason rankings get to benefit certain “talented” rosters as well, which leads to better exposure and following, benefit of the doubt after losses etc, because “you know the talent is there”
The idea that more than 10-15 guys are can’t miss generational 5* talent each year on 1 roster is nonsense. True 5* guys should be unmistakable, and program changing top 10 draft picks but it doesn’t work that way in reality. Recruiting services have biases and often get paid to rate guys favorably. It is subjective based on where kids play in high school, competition, camp exposure, growth spurts, competitiveness, work ethic, and not simply measurables and how a guy looks stepping off the team bus.
Perfectly stated.
Pre season rankings and recruiting championships are basically the same thing.
That’s just objectively not true though. Look at the data. The odds of a 5-star being drafted and having success in the NFL are multiples higher than that of a 3-star. Teams that do well in the recruiting rankings tend to do well on the field as well. How many National Championships has Bama won? How many have the Beavs won?
Recruiting rankings are highly correlated with success for both the recruits and the teams that recruit them. This is an objective fact backed by data. Sure, some 5-stars are busts and some 3-stars turn into NFL All Pros. These are projections on high school athletes, so there are obviously misses. But when you look at the full data set recruiting rankings are directionally pretty accurate.