22.Aug.2011 Fall Camp (week 3)

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In order to feel optimistic about the season, I need to start seeing our best players/starters getting reps. I understand we can beat Sacramento State with our reserves, but we can't beat Wisconsin with rusty starters. Sac State is an important tune-up game. We don't want guys taking the field for their first time this season at Camp Randall.

The injury bug is leading to a mindset, in both the media and fan forums, that the real season begins September 24th against UCLA. I understand why people are thinking this way, but it is disheartening to see people adjusting expectations before the season even starts.

Anyway, there's not a lot to complain about right now. Some things irking me:

  • Sean Mannion's move up the depth chart. (Not a Mannion fan, sorry).
  • Reuben Robinson being talked up. (It only exacerbates the problem).
  • Media only highlights players' (e.g. Gwachum) positives and ignores their negatives (e.g. drops).
  • Sac St. game still isn't on TV.
  • Andrew Seumalo listed as a possible starting DT.
  • Darrell Catchings is still in the picture.
  • Sean Martin at nickle (he is too slow, groom someone better).
  • Our never-ending bad luck (injuries), and Oregon's omnipresent good fortune (LSU incident).
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  • brownale9000 says:
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    Robinson being talked up? Yeah, Mike Riley was really overwhelming in his praise for Robinson.

    “He didn’t stick out like a sore thumb.” – Mike Riley

    • angry angry says:
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      People besides Riley can talk him up. Cliff has two features on the guy.

      http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2011/08/18/robinson-adapting-to-olb-with-ease/

      http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/article_b065b2c2-cc34-11e0-a146-001cc4c03286.html

      And apparently Cliff thought Riley’s statement was a compliment.
      Oregon State football coach Mike Riley paid Rueben Robinson a compliment when asked about his performance in camps so far.

      “He doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb,” Riley said.

      Banker: And if Collins doesn’t come back full speed, Banker is ready to go with Robinson.

      “If Rueben ends up the best outside linebacker there, we have faith in him,” Banker said.

      Fans on every site but this one are behind Robinson, too.

      It’s all BS. He is a crappy LB, so let’s just stop prolonging the problem and cut bait. I could live with the Pankey fiasco a lot easier if the coaches actually learned something…

      • ean says:
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        we’ll see. I don’t expect Riley to say that Robinson is slow and not very athletic and that he will be lucky to play at all. He has to have confidence in the guy in order to build Robinson’s confidence. The true test as to whether Riley learned from the Pankey fiasco will be once the season starts.

      • brownale9000 says:
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        Well, I would hardly call it a compliment, but Cliff and I will have to disagree on that one I guess. A compliment is – “He’s dynamite out there! Reminds me of a younger faster Nick Barnett!”

        At best, I read those comments as ‘Robinson is not our ideal backup, but if he’s the guy we’ll have to make do.”

        Hey, I don’t dig Robinson’s game. I’d prefer it if Shaydon Akuna would step up. Unfortunately, I haven’t heard peep out of that guy yet. I know he’s been dinged up some, but when he has been in there, he hasn’t exactly blown anyone away. The coaching staff has shown a greater willingness to change positions, change depth charts. I think they’re clearly stating that they aren’t married to the idea that Robinson is the primary SAM backup…but the bottom line is if Akuna wants to be the backup SAM, he better get his ass in gear and start making some plays. If the coaching staff has Robinson 2nd, don’t blame the coaching staff – or the media that has to report on SOMETHING. Blame the players who aren’t stepping up.

        • angry angry says:
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          I’ve heard great thing about Welch. There’s no reason he can’t move from WLB to SLB–he’s almost the same size as Collins.

          I think this is one of those situations…if Collins can’t go, the coaches want an experienced guy in there because it’s the safe play. That’s fine if the safe play is a good player. I’m not that torn up about this because Collins will be back soon, but the positive press Robinson’s been getting does make me roll my eyes and think the beat writers are possibly exacerbating a future problem.

        • JackBeav says:
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          I agree and disagree. Robinson wasn’t moved because he was a good MLB. In fact, he probably would have ended up behind Williams. I can’t imagine he’s suddenly become a mediocre player who is holding off Akuna, Welch, Te’o and Johnson with some magical smart play he never showed at MLB. In fact, his size is the only reason I can see him getting any mention. On the flip side, he’s still listed as the back-up behind someone who has yet to step on the field this fall. So that should tell us how much the coaches think about hyping him. So I have to agree that the position should be up for grabs, and someone needs to grab it if they want it. But it’s hard to grab it if you don’t get the same reps as the guy who just switched positions.

          So I don’t know if it’s clearly political like it was with Pankey, or if the person who evaluates LB prospects is just missing big time, and the slowest, least sure-footed person at the position is managing to win out because of that failure to evaluate talent properly.

          I also wonder about Dylan Wynn being stuck where he is. I’m told he has simply embarrassed everyone who has lined up across from him, but he’s not given the chance to embarrass the first team. It’s a lot like Crichton redshirting last year, except Wynn is physically ready now.

          But there is good news for the youth at SS and FS. TZ and Murphy are ballers who have just taken those roles, and they will be fun to watch. Agnew (who my friend on campus swears is 5’10-11″?) and Ward are staking their claims, and coaches are seeing it. And I’ve heard faint rumors about some true frosh WR.

          Sometimes I just have to wonder if our coaches are doing right by redshirting some kids. Are they looking too far into the future of their program and forming their plans around that vision by sitting a 7 and playing the 4? Do they think a year on the bench will make the 7 a 9 or 10, and that end justifies the means?

          • Alex says:
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            Welch and Akuna are both hurt, aren’t they?

          • ObjCritic says:
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            If Wynn is really doing that, I wish he’d say “I’m only going to be here 4 years, you better play me now.”

            Its too bad if he’s not getting to go against first string, sounds like he’s a genuine animal out there.

          • brownale9000 says:
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            “I also wonder about Dylan Wynn being stuck where he is. I’m told he has simply embarrassed everyone who has lined up across from him, but he’s not given the chance to embarrass the first team. It’s a lot like Crichton redshirting last year, except Wynn is physically ready now.”

            Hmmm…I hadn’t heard a ton about Wynn’s play. That’s an encouraging report. I think they need to move him to the other end spot, since Crichton seems to be a legit badass and will be pretty hard to supplant.

      • helmsley says:
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        reply to angry’s original post: What happened to your dislike of using “we” when talking about the team(s)?

  • ean says:
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    It is Suemalo

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Riley saying TZ is now 2nd string safety, will play special teams, and definitely play this year. I find that encouraging.

    “faith” is the accurate term for robinson because you have to believe in what you can’t see; that he’s a player.

    • ean says:
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      I think we will hear some serious noise from TZ at safety before his career is up.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Oregon’s omnipresent good fortune? LOL — NCAA investigation, obvous violations and national media ridicule. UO was riding high, after doing well in the NC game, but now they’re just another USC — cheating to get to the top. The LSU bar fight probably is going nowhere — what DA would touch something with surely conflicting stories.

    I dont understand any notion that OSU beats Wisconsin. Yes, they might pull off the big upset, but if they do, they will suddenly be expected to challenge for the conference title, and it aint a good year for that. Better, imo, to sneak into the conference play at 1-1, having been challenged by Sac State and wasted by Wisconsin. Catch em by surprise.

    • angry angry says:
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      They’ve been playing traditional (OOC) powers when they’re down. I consider that good fortune.

      Opposite of the Beavs, getting two of the best Boise St/TCU teams, a very good Wisconsin team, etc.

      • JackBeav says:
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        2005 Louisville (one 3OT loss @WVU away from a BCS bowl) and a win at home against a 9-4 Boise

        2006 Boise (13-0 after Fiesta Bowl) and @ an 11-2 Hawai’i (which we miraculously won)

        2007 win at home against a rebuilding 9-4 Utah and a brutal loss @ a rising 10-3 Cincy

        2008 @Penn State (11-2 after Rose Bowl) and a heart-breaker @Utah (13-0 after Sugar Bowl)

        2009 Cincy (12-1 after Sugar Bowl)

        2010 @TCU (13-0 after Rose Bowl) and @Boise (12-1 and one stray FG from a BCS berth)

        2011 @Wisconsin and a visit from a mystery team in BYU

        • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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          Of these games it is funny how many of them the Beavers got off to a fast start or somewhat control in, but they just couldn’t finish the job. 10-0 up on Louisville and then the Cardinal scored the next 49 points or something like that. 14-0 on Boise and 42 unanswered points. 28-20 on Utah in the fourth and the Utes score 11 unanswered points in the last 3 minutes or so. Had chances to jump out big on Cincy but had red zone issues. Had ball down 7 vs TCU late in the fourth. They’ve had their chances, they just need to start finishing.

          • MudAndSticks MudAndSticks says:
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            FIRE BANKER! I’m starting to wonder if he’s giving Riley BJs.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Uuh…. Boise was strong the year UO lost to them in the Blount game, LSU is strong this year. Last year the top team they played ooc was Tennessee, right? So they didnt even schedule a powerhouse last year.

        I thought the reason OSU schedules the Penn States and such was to make money. UO doesnt need to do that, but still does.

        If OSU gets strong again, maybe next year, then they will want strength of schedule to gain in the rankings, maybe go BCS. These schedules are made years in advance, arent they? So how do you tell if a few year up the road, you will want strength of schedule, or creampuffs?

        • JackBeav says:
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          Boise aside, Tennessee is exactly who we’re talking about. They have name recognition as a national power. Nikegon got good guarantee money from them, and they got paid national TV money because Tennessee is a known power. They happened to suck last year, and that’s the point.

          Purdue was worse than bad when the Ducks played them. Michigan at home was a good game, but OU at home was the worst officiating ever. A visit to the Big House was the week following App State’s win there. And now LSU is distracted by something before they play them at a neutral site… not in Death Valley like we did after their NC season.

          Some games are set years in advance, so it’s not like anyone knows how good or bad these teams are going to be. That’s why we’re chalking it up to dumb luck.

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            Ok….I see the point. But I dont think the bar fight is going to hurt LSU. And playing down there is more like a home game for them. If UO wins, they deserve some big credit.

  • angry angry says:
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    It sounds like Collins will be back for game 1.
    Rodgers won’t. Gwachum, Wheaton, Bishop appear to be the starting WRs, with Cooks mixed in and then Rodgers when he comes back (Wisconsin or UCLA). Ultimately I think it pans out like this: Wheaton, Bishop, Rodgers…Cooks will fill in for Rodgers here and there, and Gwachum will be used in the redzone.

    Good to hear the o-line did well today. Sounds like they’re coming together.

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      I’m thinking Rodgers will stay out until after the bye week. I don’t see Riley rushing him back for an out of conference game.

  • MudAndSticks MudAndSticks says:
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    Comparing walk-ons to players who are unranked:

    Does signing unranked players earn the coaching staff kudos versus bringing in walk-ons?

    I’d say no it doesn’t.

    Not counting the coach’s son OSU has commitments from 3 OL players. One a 3 star and the other two, uhhh well, let’s just use the old excuse that they’ve been flying under the radar. LOL! Yeah, right.

    To me it appears to be more like a cop giving tickets for border-line offenses just so he can meet his quota. Here we have the coaches signing linemen just so there are some on the board.

    The funny (?) part is, so far they can’t even find unranked DL players who will sign on the dotted line. If that’s so funny why aren’t I laughing?

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      Completely disagree. Josh Mitchell and Eldredge won’t be great offensive lineman but they’ll be decent. They weren’t offered scholarship just cause the coaching staff wanted to say they have some lineman. That’s a little ridiculous.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Don’t knock Gavin Andrews because some morons on the other side of the pay wall fail to provide a competent analysis of his game… then charge people to read their stupidity. Andrews eats the defenders he doesn’t step on. What little technique he lacks, he more than makes up for with athleticism, size and strength that are all completely off the charts.

      I like Mitchell as a G. He has size, strength and athleticism as well, but none of those attributes are D1-ready like Andrews and Seumalo are.

      And Eldredge is a nice project with skill and a considerable mean streak. I like him for C with his disposition on the field, but he could play anywhere on the line. If he had another 20 pounds and a slightly better punch, I would say he looks like a young Max Unger.

  • OStateBro says:
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    Negative post just for the sake of negativity? Or controversial post to generate hype?

    Mannion is the next star QB. Get on board.
    90% chance that Sac St. will not be televised. Come to the game live.
    Obum will be a player this year. Glass half full.
    Catchings is not in the picture. Period.

    UO has gotten very lucky though. Agree with that.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Is it negative and/or controversial? He just lists some stuff that bothers him, and I choose to agree with some, disagree with some and probably ignore the rest since it doesn’t bug me. But negative and/or controversial? That’s like calling an indian burn a five alarm towering inferno.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    I think Angry is mostly sarcastically talking about the “kismet” with U of O’s and their schedule. They get a historically down Tennesee team on the road last year. Now, they might get a strong LSU team missing their starting QB and they get Nevada a year after all world Colin K. graduates while the Beavs get Wisconsin with a “new” transfer superstar QB. Luck of the Beavs!

    • angry angry says:
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      Precisely.

      The also destroyed Michigan the year they fell apart.

      • osubaby osubaby says:
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        Why do I hate the quacks so much!? Canzano has them going 12-0. Is he for real? One minute he makes them sound like lord vader and the evil empire and then he’s kissing their ass.

        • StarcraftSquall says:
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          I hate the Ducks as much as the next person, but in all honesty, look at their schedule. They really only have two question mark games to deal with this year, if you’re looking objectively. I hope OSU makes the leap it needs to and quickly.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            LSU isnt going to get docked for that bar fight. UO is getting about as tough a first game as you can get. The Beavers need to learn how to start faster and have their game in hand when the season starts. Maybe thats a-comin with the better recruiting.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        That’s right, the Ducks played Michigan in the big house at the beginning of an unprecendented downturn in the Wolverine program, while the snakebite Beavers schedule Cincinnati for a home and home at the start of huge never seen before upswing in the Bearcat program. The Ducks are even charmed in their easy win games. I am guessing the UNM game was scheduled when Rocky Long had the Lobos competitvie and by the time they get to Eugene, last year they were an absolute mess. It must be nice to be good and lucky!

        • ObjCritic says:
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          Yeah but the following week, didn’t WSU bent UO over the fence – something like 51-10?

          • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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            No, that was in 2002 when WSU destroyed Oregon in Eugene. In 2007 the Ducks got huge amount of breaks but also bad luck with all the QB injuries.

        • duckhonk says:
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          Just so you know. Despite losing to Appalachian State and getting blown out at home by Oregon that year. Michigan actually ended up having a decent year. After Oregon beat them badly, they won 8 games in a row mid season. They played on New Years Day in the Capital One Bowl and beat defending champ Florida. That’s right a game on January 1–the type of game that the Beavers haven’t played in about 11 years. So, even OSU can be envyous of that and the 9 wins Michigan ended up getting that year.

    • Beavker Beavker says:
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      Right at the end of the 8 game Pac 10 Schedule, didn’t a pretty good Ducks team ‘Duck’ the Trojans a couple years that USC was lights out? Seems they did. OSU played them like 3 years in a row in LA. Something like that occured, but I don’t recall the specifics.

      • brownale9000 says:
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        That’s right, we played USC @ USC in 2001, 2002 and 2003.

        Oregon managed to avoid both of the really good USC teams, 2003 and 2004..

        • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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          I remember the game in 2001. The Beavers had no reason to lose that game. They should have won if it wasn’t for Ryan Cesca having a complete meltdown, dude was an adventure on every field goal and extra point.

          • angry angry says:
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            dude was an adventure on every field goal and extra point

            Same as the past few years, and from the sound of it, this year. God I miss Serna.

          • Beavker Beavker says:
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            Ironically a major reason they lost one of the last winnable Non Con big games that the Beavs were in…LSU…man, that sucked. Would have been huge I think for the program.

          • mckalk mckalk says:
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            16-13 loss in the Coliseum to a bad USC team, that I think probably cost the Beavs a bowl bid.

          • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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            It did cost them a bid! The Beavers probably would have beat Oregon too if James Newson doesn’t fall down on his route and Oregon doesn’t go to the Fiesta.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    Back from tonight’s practice at Reser (after a detour to a required family event).

    I was focusing mostly on one thing tonight — QB accuracy. I brought a chart and a clipboard, and recorded every throw during drills by Katz, Vaz, Mannion, Lomax, and Harrington. Each throw was marked as good, overthrown, underthrown, ahead, behind, high, or low.

    Turns out that Lomax and Harrington had very few throws during drills tonight. Katz threw about 40% of the passes during drills tonight, while Vaz and Mannion each threw about 25%.

    Maybe these 3 QBs were just having a good night, but for the first hour+ of practice just about every pass was marked as “good” for Katz, Vaz, and Mannion. The accuracy was impressive.

    However, things changed towards the end of practice during the Red Zone Offense/Defense drill (11 on 11). In that drill, Katz threw one interception (dropped by Lance Mitchell), threw another pass that was nowhere near the receiver (Connor Hamlett, who apparently got confused and stopped running his pattern), and a third pass that would have been a difficult catch (but that was dropped by Obum Gwacham). In the Red Zone drills, I thought Vaz and Mannion both performed better than Katz, and looked more poised (although the last play of the day was an interception in the end zone by Ryan Handford that I think was thrown by Vaz — not sure because I got a call on my smartphone right before the play, so I missed some of it…)

    Brandon Sprague tweeted that Geno Munoz played well tonight. I can confirm that, and back it up with details. In the middle of practice, Vaz ran a play from his own 1-yard line where he hit Munoz with a 40+ yard pass over the top of the defense. Later, Vaz hit Munoz again, with GM making a tough catch on the right sideline for a score (earning a shout out from players and coaches). Vaz and Munoz later connected on another long pass. And soon after that Mannion hit Munoz on a 50 yard completion. There was another long pass from Vaz caught by Munoz. Munoz finally dropped one during the Red Zone drill, and teammates got on him (only because he had made so many big plays up throughout the whole practice). Overall, GM had a great night.

    James Rodgers dropped two very catchable passes. He’s clearly not himself quite yet.

    I thought Malcolm Agnew looked good tonight, too. He had one run during the Red Zone drill where he took a handoff, started to run over right guard, and then bounced it outside quickly, and scooted around the right end and down the sideline for the score. It was good to see the quick bounce to the outside, and also the speed to get around the end and down the sideline.

    Regarding special teams, there were two impressive kicks. Hekker hit a punt while standing deep in the end zone that was caught on the opposite 41 yard line (about 58 yards from scrimmage). Trevor Romaine hit a field goal from the 37 yard line (in other words, a 47 yard field goal) with leg to spare. I hasten to add, however, that TR also missed several shorter field goals (each one wide to the right, as I recall).

    • beavfan4 says:
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      If the ball is snapped from the 37 yard line then im pretty sure thats a 54 yard field goal and if im right thats one hell of a kick

      • OStateBro says:
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        He probably means the ball was held on the 37 yd line. Not snapped from the 37.

        • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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          Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I was talking about the ball being held on the 37 yd line (line of scrimmage was around the 30 yard line), making the kick a 47 yd field goal….

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Thanks, SS!

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      Another good update, thanks SS.
      Regarding Hekker’s good punt; we know he has the leg but put some pressure on him and we’ve all seen what happens. This comes back to his long approach.
      Anytime I shanked a punt in high school it was always loss of focus on the ball, period. You kick so many times that you start taking your eye off the ball to watch attackers. Same in golf… ever been hitting it sweet all day with no effort? Eventually you’ll pull your head up to see where this next miraculous shot is going to fly, only to chunk it and you’re back to square one.
      A senior punter shouldn’t be taking his eye off the ball. If the coaches would get him to shorten his approach to 2 steps and kick then there is less time for pressure and LESS REASON TO TAKE YOUR EYE OFF THE BALL. Dammit I should’ve been a kicking teams coach.

      • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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        I really like your suggestion. Hekker has such a strong leg that he could still get ample height and distance with a shorter approach. And a shorter approach to the ball also might help Hekker be more consistent in his mechanics.

        We have to get the players to start checking this site for tips! 🙂

  • JackBeav says:
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    I knew I recognized Chase Eldredge’s name. His grandfather was a LB for USC in the mid-50’s who went on to become well known in conservative California politics and later as an author:
    http://www.amazon.fr/Ending-War-Drugs-Solution-America/dp/product-description/1882593243

  • ean says:
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    Not sure if anyone posted this but Quizz had a decent game on Saturday. 7 carries for 39 yards. I am assuming this was against the second and third units of the Jags though.

    • Beavker Beavker says:
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      I think he saw a lot of early action, but I’m not sure if they were 2nd stringers or not. He did look good. Dragged some guys even. Best of all, he was in on 1st and 3rd downs. Caught passes, stayed in to block. With the success of guys like Sproles and Woodhead, teams may take these little guys more serious. Will he supplant a bruiser like Turner? No, but he would be a great compliment…or if they fall behind and need more of a passing attack, he’d be great to have in there (2 minute drills too).

      • ean says:
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        no doubt he has a role on a NFL team. Plus if I were Quizz I would be very happy only seeing 10 or less touches…. it might mean an extra contract or two.

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      Also read he had a couple of “long” runs negated by holding calls; that’s always dicey to interpret without seeing though; was the hold meaningless and did it really negate the run, or was the fun long because of the holding?

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        On the TD run that was called back, the fullback held the defensive end who had containment. So Quizz ran outside, put a nice move on the DB and scored. But the hold definitely created the play.

        That said, Quizz looked really good running behind a line that actually blocks for him.

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    Holy crap our marketing sucks. Shirtless fat guys with drums? Really?

    http://www.ourbeavernation.com

    Step yo’ game up!

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      I don’t know if I should laugh or cry.

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      Awfully generous of Chip Kelly to star in our video.

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      God that’s embarrassing, but at the same time, I’m curious where they plan to go with that ad, and isn’t that the goal? It’s like we’re going for the anti-Oregon campaign. low budget, simple, funny.(we’ll see about that last one)

      Maybe we’ll get to drop the “I am Orange” slogan finally.

      Speaking of horrible ads, what does everybody think of the in game advertising that happens at Reser? For instance, the Oregon Dairy Council and their “Beaver Biceps” ads? They’re beyond embarrasing, but after seeing them 5 or 6 times, I actually started to like them. I think it’s a case of “it’s so bad, it’s good.” Not sure if that is the intention though.

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      Is it a Native American thing? War drum or something? I don’t know what to think of it at all.

      Rather see something with our increasing better looking cheerleaders maybe.

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        Totally agree about the cheerleaders. If I could have given your post a plus-two, I would have….

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          Capitalize on it…put ’em in some Daisy Dukes, a tied up orange plaid button shirt, and a straw hat sprawled out on a tractor hood…

          Sorry, just brainstorming…among other things.

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      I dig those shorts he’s wearing.

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      Anyone have any idea what it’s going to be?

      My uneducated prediction is that Larry Scott is pushing to open the Asia market sooner rather than later, and he sees us as the opportunity he needs to put Pac 12 sports on that continent.

      And I’m not talking digitally either.

      Hawai’i is moving forward with a 2014 game in Tokyo… come hell or high water. We have a 2014 home date against Hawai’i. Larry Scott wants the Pac 12 in Asia, and he might incentivize one of his schools to give up a home date and subsidize the cost of travel.

      But that’s just my uneducated prediction. What it has to do with a beer gut banging a drum, I don’t know.

      • JackBeav says:
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        It’s probably too soon after Hawai’i announced their intentions for Japan. We all know it must have taken weeks of writing, filming and editing to create that clip.

        But a boy can dream, no?

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          Yeah, it’s probably not that. Then again, Hawaii wouldn’t have just made the decision and the announcement at the same time, would they? this could have been in the works for quite some time and now it’s all starting to come out at once.

          I think we’ll definitely, we’ll see a couple pac-12/16 games in Asia within the next few years and I think Oregon State would be among the more likely Pac-12 teams to take on that kind of a game. Say what you will about lack of marketing or whatever, we’ll play anybody anywhere for the attention it’ll get.

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        Could we be getting the money from the Reser family to start construction of Raising Reser-Phase III?

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      disagree, that’s not a bad teaser. Well shot and edited. Would you rather have a Mandrake-ish man beating a drum??

      http://oregoncommentator.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mandrake-210×300.jpg

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      You thought that sucked? It’s awesome and hilarious! For once I feel like we created something that doesn’t suck.

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    Kevin Frahm had surgery yesterday and thinks he will be back for the Wisconsin game.

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      Cliff was saying he had his meniscus repaired which doesn’t make much sense. I think a repair is a long recovery time. He must have had the torn portion removed which is much better in the short term.

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        Reminds me of Broy coming back for the playoff series against PHX. It was much too soon. Similar injury.

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      Maybe we’ll get lucky…or that new trainer will work her magic and we’ll get him back, along with Joe H, Collins, etc. Big Mas will be back from his one gamer…maybe there’s hope?

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        the thing with Frahms surgery is there is nothing to heal. The meniscus is removed. The biggest impact is the surgical equipment itself. Brandon Roy made it back after like a week.

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          I hope it’s worth it to play football without a meniscus. Recent medical literature indicates that the surgery leads to moderate to severe arthritis in later life.

          • ean says:
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            repairing the meniscus can lead to constant inflammation. So both options have their drawbacks. I had mine sutured back into place and some days it gives me troubles.

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    I was thinking more about Katz, and his problems last night running the Red Zone offense.

    That led me to Bill Walsh, who made the following point about QBs:

    “The single trait that separates great quarterbacks from good quarterbacks is the ability to make the great, spontaneous decision, especially at a crucial time. The clock is running down and your team is five points behind. The play that was called has broken down and 22 players are moving in almost unpredictable directions all over the field. This is where the great quarterback uses his experience, vision, mobility and what we will call spontaneous genius. He makes something good happen.” http://goo.gl/GIqFB

    I suspect that Katz may be lacking in the essential qualities that Walsh calls “vision” and “spontaneous genius”, and I think this shows up more clearly in the red zone, where everything is more chaotic (more players squeezed into a tighter space, with everything happening faster as a result).

    Katz does relatively well in the middle of the field, where there is room and time for everyone to move around, and where Katz can use his strong arm to hit receivers who get a step on their defender even if they are 40 yards away. But in the red zone, it’s not about who has the strongest arm. Instead, it’s about who can make the best reads, and who can most quickly get the ball to the right man in the split second that he is open. Watching Katz last night (and all last season, and in camp), I’m starting to doubt that Katz is an effective QB in red zone situations. Hope I’m wrong about that….

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      agreed… he just isn’t a gamer IMO.

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      It’s like Yankee fans who prefer Derek Jeter to Alex Rodriguez. ARod is clearly “more talented”, but who is the better player?

      I think of Katz as ARod, and someone like Kellen Moore as Jeter. Closest thing the Beavs ever had to that kind of QB was Jonathan Smith, and we know how that turned out. Riley tends to go for the ARod type at QB, though. Harrington is the best QB on the roster. Now, will he develop into that? Probably not because he’ll be buried behind the potential of the “physical specimens” in front of him. The best thing Harrington could do for his career is transfer to Boise St.

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        Disagree that Harrington is the best QB on the roster. I believe it is Sean Mannion. I know you aren’t impressed by him but I think he will be a tremendous QB.

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          It’s hard to evaluate Richie Harrington, since he gets so few reps. Here’s hoping he gets a chance towards the end of today’s scrimmage.

          I’m also hoping that Shaydon Akuna gets a chance to play today. I’ve only seen him play a little, but he looks like he has a lot of potential.

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        Why do you think that other than his height and 4-star rating?

        It’s not that I’m not impressed with Mannion. He has a good arm and height and will probably be serviceable just like Katz. I just don’t see the “it” factor (ugh, hate that hackneyed phrase, but I can’t think of anything better). I see yet another physical specimen who will need to be taught every nuance that comes naturally to great quarterbacks.

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          Better to start with all the physical gifts and build the guy into a play maker. Mannion is big, strong, and has a cannon for an arm. He’s young so he needs time to develop. Canfield was the same build as Mannion and had the same tools and became a “gamer” over time. His senior season he made a lot of heady plays.

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    Angry:Richie Harrington::JackBeav:Kellen Clute

    I have to admit part of the reason I love the guy is because he throws how I did on the schoolyard. Perfect form and accuracy! I am a sucker for fundamental, intelligent play.

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      Harrington looks pretty good, but he’s probably not the best QB on the roster at this point in time.

      I’m all for bold exaggerations, but let’s be realistic.

      As for your continuous bashing of Mike Riley’s choices of which players get to play, you need more consistency. When walk-on offensive linemen are starting over scholarship guys, you complain of some bizarre conspiracy theory where Riley wants only the ‘neat’ story about how walk-ons can succeed at OSU. Now, you suggest that a walk-on QB will never get to play because Riley only likes the guys who look the part? Which is it?

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    Well, I guess we have another pay site which is a little out of the loop on one kid’s recruitment yet throws out a poor guess anyway. Scroll to the bottom.
    http://247sports.com/Article/The-first-fivestars-for-2013-36629

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      I’m not surprised Jack, it’s hard for these people to believe that Tyner loves the Beavs and hates the Ducks. They are clearly not around when he proclaims his desire to be a Beaver. He’s not anything close to a Duck lean.

      That said, there’s an slim chance that slips and falls in the bathroom, gets knocked out, and walks up a Duck fan right?

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        He’s got to be the only high school prospect I know who has OSU season tickets and swag to match.

        Isaac doesn’t count since his father can get him in whenever he wants.

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          since tyner posted that he’s a future osu student on twitter, i’ve read from multiple places that he’s actually an oregon lean, and his family is all oregon fans.. which is true?

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            He’s a strong Beav lean, but his future is uncommitted. He absolutely loves Mike Riley and the family atmosphere, and I’ve heard from some that he will be 100% committed to track and field in his college spring terms wherever he goes. He’s looking at the scheme as well, and there’s not a great future for his game in a read option. That’s not to say that he wouldn’t succeed in it. He could probably outrun anyone on that team right now. It’s to say that he wouldn’t develop to his fullest in that scheme. I don’t think it matters to him that family might be Duck fans or fans of anywhere. He’s his own man as much as he a man of God. And Riley and OSU certainly fill up a whole bunch of things on his checklist in the end.

            This is where not having a men’s team would kill us. Even a fledgling, upstart OSU track team would draw him here, and we have a lot of people (alums and admin) committed to trying to make it happen. I’m hoping we make it by spring of ’14.

            I would say that his professional track prospects might be the one thing to worry about. If he’s developed enough to compete on the international level by the time he graduates, he’s looking at a possible huge contract for competing in Europe. I don’t know about any of you, but I would take an eight+ year career of running over a hopeful NFL career any day.

            Have I mentioned lately what I think of Lynn Snyder?

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            Have I mentioned lately that Berny gives you a rousing right on and a hearty fuckin’ A!!!

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            He’ll be at the Sac St game cheering for the Beavs if anyone wants to ask him.

            *kidding*… don’t bother the kid.

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            And what multiple places did you read this? I’ve seen the general hubris of Nikegon fans on forums and blogs saying it’s a no-brainer for him to go there. But I’ve never seen an interview of him saying so or heard of him wearing Duck swag (like the Beav gear astounded reporters tweeted about him wearing at Aloha’s camp last week).

            I wouldn’t put any stock in anything said behind the pay wall since money (not actual sport or truth) is the motivating factor for those sites.

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            He’s clearly OSU’s to lose, unless he’s playing a horrible joke on them.

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    That marketing video actually doesn’t bother me too much. It’s a bit frat-boy-humor and goes for the easy physical comedy, but I am curious what’s going to happen on 9-2 so in that sense it works. It is also simple, which is refreshing.

    I’d grade it as a C+. A little above average because it piques my interest and doesn’t enrage me.

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    Hearing the secondary is looking today and Trevor Romaine is looking good too. Great sign there.

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    Does anyone know if we have an actual kicking coach? Is it just a group effort of the assistants?

    I know I’m always harping on the kicking game but it was my specialty and also my all time favorite coach’s (Marv Levy) point of emphasis. He attributes much of his team’s success over the years with their equal time given to the kicking game. They spent exactly 1/3 of each practice on offense, defense, and kicking teams.
    There is a stigma about kicking/kickers within the game of football as being a necessary evil because “they aren’t real football players”. This may be true but their (and their supporting players) influence on the outcome of each game is significant.
    Next Saturday when I head to practice I’m gonna root around a little more and see if I can learn more about this.

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      Look no further for the importance of kicking on this team, than the record book. All-time leading points scored for a career at Oregon State is non other than Alexis Serna with 384 points from 2004-2007. His kicking may have cost us the LSU game, but it also was responsible for several wins single-handedly (including a Civil War if I’m not mistaken) Kicking is easily one of the most important facets of the game.

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    Trevor Romaine made all his kicks in the scrimmage today and was impressive in doing so. Not quite as nervous about him anymore. Kellen Clute went down with what appears to be a serious knee injury. They will be very thin at TE for the first couple games this year

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      maybe with the beavers being so thin at TE would force them to use more 4 WR packages. I’ve like angry’s ideas on this it would be fun to watch and a neet change for the team. It would also give something new for other teams to think about when they play the beavers. it has seemed since the whole fly sweep the beavers have not come up with much new stuff. Will there was the whole wild-cat plays but this was use what like five times or so. At any rate I know I’m being CPT Obvious. I do think this idea of change and something new has helped the ducks a little the past few years.

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        With the Beavs so thin at TE, it’s a perfect time to move Gwachum…!

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          yes I think that would be a good plan too but there is something to the idea the others teams would not be used to the beavers playing a different sort of game that everyone has seen from the beavers in the past few years. I was deployed during the years with Anderson so I did not get to see the air it out offence and only sort of read about it from newspapers sent from home that were two or three weeks late.

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            AFN did not play a lot of beaver game back then or even now. but hey it had fewer commercials; on the other hand they were and are pretty bad commercials. They were stupid army safety ones you now like the old industrial safety reels from the 50’s and 60’s

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    Just back from scrimmage, where I took lots of notes. Here are a few highlights (other than what’s already been reported on Twitter) that focus on the QBs:

    – Richie Harrington got a chance to play at the end of the scrimmage, and made the most of it. RH threw some nice short and mid-range passes for completions, and moved his unit right down the field for a score. RH looked poised and confident. Impressive outing for a guy who has gotten very few reps in camp.

    – Sean Mannion also had a good day. Mannion moved his unit down the field several times, connecting wtih Munoz and Cummings for 1st downs. Another nice pass was dropped by Cummings. Mannion wasn’t perfect (he overthrew an open Connor Hamlett on one sideline route, and underthrew a pass over the middle to Munoz). But most of Mannion’s passes were on target, and he looked quite capable of running the Beavers’ offense.

    – Cody Vaz, in contrast, had a bad day. Early in the scrimmage he fumbled while retreating from the center snap, which led to a fumble recovery and TD for the defense. Then he threw way behind an open Connor Hamlett. After that, Vaz fumbled an exchange with Stevenson in the backfield. Vaz threw way ahead of Obum on a sideline route for an incompletion. And Vaz threw an interception to Mitchell in the end zone. Yes, Vaz had his moments (including a long completion to Brandin Cooks) but overall CV looked shaky. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mannion moves past Vaz to be a clear number two on the depth chart after today.

    – As for Ryan Katz, not a lot of news. I thought he did okay, but nothing special to report. The QB news of the day, for my money, was the competition between Mannion and Vaz, with Mannion emerging as the clear winner.

    More later….

    • angry angry says:
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      “Richie-no-picks” Harrington?

      I think he’s my new favorite Beav.

      This reminds me of discovering Dinosaur Jr in ’91…”no, really, you need to listen to this band.” Only took four years for everyone else to figure it out. Hopefully Riley is more observant than Matt Pinfield.

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        Who is YOUR new favorite beaver? Would be curious what everyone’s picks are if you want to respond.

        Connor Hamlett looks like a dark horse to be a play making beast. From what I saw in the scrimmage I attended, and based on SSs reports, the kid is becoming a popular target – getting a lot of balls thrown his way.

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          I haven’t seen anything, so who’s been covering Hamlett…not saying he’s bad, but it could be related.

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          I can’t trust, or like, anyone named Connor. It’s just way too douchily over-suburban of a name.

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            Hee! That’s funny.

            I feel it necessary though to point out that this poor dude can’t help it if his parents were enamored with the dumbass names listed in an early ’90s “Most Popular Baby Names” list.

            Don’t get me started on “Dillon.”

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        Richie Harrington doesn’t have four years.

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          That was in reply to the Dinosaur jr. band 4-year appreciation time table.

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    Speaking of competition during today’s scrimmage, I think Malcolm Agnew today solidified his case to be the starting tailback MA did fumble one handoff from Katz, but otherwise he looked good all day. As before, he had a number of runs where he made yardage after contact, displaying both strength and balance. He once again showed an ability to bounce plays outside and pick up yardage around the end, as well as up the middle. And Agnew made a clutch 10-yard catch to keep a drive alive near the end of the scrimmage.

    That being said, the other freshman tailbacks (Terron Ward and Storm Woods) played well today, too. I just thought Agnew, again, looked the best.

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    I also want to mention Dylan Wynn. DW is getting more reps, and more positive attention from the coaches, based on his strong play at DE. One of this first reps during the scrimmage, DW powered through the offensive line and pulled up in Katz’s face. This is what led to the interception of Katz in the end zone. If it had been a real game, DW would have flattened Katz. Soon after that, DW executed a bull rush on Michael Phillip that pushed MP deep into the backfield. And then, on one of the next plays, DW stuffed a run at the line of scrimmage.

    At several points, the coaches were yelling out encouragement and praise to DW. It seems clear that DW’s talent is starting to be noticed, as it should be.

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      Wynn needs 20 more lbs..when he gets there (and he’s got the body for it), he will be a real difference maker.

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    Obum Gwacham continues to show tantalizing talent, and frustrating inconsistency. Obum caught a 19 yard TD pass from Katz on a leaping grab in the left corner of the endzone. But later, on the same type of pass from Vaz, in the same left corner of the endzone, Obum dropped the ball. It was, in my opinion, a catch Obum should have made, and needs to make — consistently — if he wants to become a key part of the red zone offensive package this year. He’s still a work in progress….

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      I don’t think catching a football is teachable. It’s a hand/eye coordination thing. Parents should have their kids playing video games at a young age. I’m not the most athletic guy, but I catch everything, and it’s because I was rocking the Atari while practically in the womb..

      The most ironically named WR ever, Darrell Catchings, is four years into this and still trying to figure out how to catch passes. Obum is probably doomed to this fate. If he were a TE he’d have decoy value if nothing else and catch the occasional ball. At WR he doesn’t have much value unless he catches 90%+ and it sounds like he’s way off from that mark.

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        In drills with no defender — or on plays when he is wide open — Obum catches a high percentage of passes. Obum’s problem seems to be catching the ball when he is closely guarded, especially on plays when both Obum and the defender go up for the ball together. Because of his size, Obum should come down with the lion’s share of these jump balls against much smaller DBs. But instead a lot of these balls end up incomplete, because Obum fails to hold on after contact.

        The coaches are definitely working on this problem. I think Obum has improved. But he’s not good enough yet. Will he get there this season? Don’t know….

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        Tell my wife that….my eight year old loves video games (has been playing since four) and also plays up a level in baseball and soccer because of his hand/eye coordination. I sneak him the games and my wife takes them back while I’m at work!

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        Maybe you would be more athletic if you didn’t spend so much time sitting on your ass playing atari?

        Hand/eye coordination and balance are two things that you either have or you don’t. If I want my kid to be a better athlete the LAST thing I want him doing is vegging out inside playing video games.

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          Your comment is nasty and bitter. If you have a fat kid who plays video games all day that is a you problem.

          Video games are excellent for hand-eye coordination, and whether you loath that reality really has no bearing on it either way.

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            I have a tall skinny 9 year old that would play video games 23 hours a day if I let him.

            He’s rapidly being surpassed as an athlete by his smaller 7 year old brother who could give two shits about a video game.

            Why?

            The 7 year old has better natural balance and coordination. He has a natural long,strong stride when he runs. And he spends every waking second OUTSIDE with a ball in his hands.

            If you want your kid to be a baller,give him a ball. If you want him to be “not very athletic” let him sit on his ass inside pretending to play a game on a computer.

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            And the 7 year old would probably have better hand/eye coordination if he played video games. Why are you arguing with a proven fact? There are actually studies that show playing video games improves h/e more than playing sports. They also increase response/reflex times.

            Again, you seem really pissed off about something. You remind me of Lee J Cobb in 12 Angry Men. Lol

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          According to your logic WFO, what your kid does in his free time will have little to do with his athletic success because, “Hand/eye coordination and balance are two things that you either have or you don’t.”
          Spend 6 months training on one of those BOSU balls and tell me your balance and hand-eye coordination aren’t better.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    we are born with more or less hand eye coord, but working on it can surely make it better. Video games do that, but there are more athletic pursuits that do it, too….boxing, for instance.

    For a receiver, do drills where the ball is passed at him quick, then another and another in rapid succession. And not all accurately. Some guys go thru a clumsy stage in growing up.

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      No need for all that. Just roll down to goodwill and score an atari 2600 and play some pitfall.You’ll be a world beater in a couple days.

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        Is this about you wanting one of your sons to be naturally gifted or something? You have too much pride to admit external forces, rather than just your your magical, brilliant sperm, influence hand-eye coordination? Come on man, talk about your issues. Let it out. We’re listening.

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          I’m not pissed about anything.

          It’s actually fascinating to watch kids grow and play the hand they’re dealt physically and mentally.

          I actually have four sons,age one,four,seven and nine. It’s incredible to watch them develop and feed off of each other. Then to see them play sports and interact with other kids and see who has what natural gifts is very interesting.

          You think video games helped you be a better athlete. Great,good for you. I think they’re something to do on a rainy day. Great,good for me. The facts as I see them are that video games are a poor substitute for real life experiences.

          -if you want to be a football player,don’t play madden,go outside and play football.
          -if you want to be a rock star,don’t play rock band,pick up a Les Paul and practice.
          -if you want to be a professional hunter,put down the plastic orange cabelas gun and get out in the brush.
          -if you think you want to be a sniper/seal/cia operator step away from black ops and join the military.

          You have to “pack the gear” to be any of these things. The only way find out is to get off the couch and find out.

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    Eldredge is now ranked as a 2-star…our first of this class.

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      Whatever, I like how he plays mean. And I like that his main deficiency is size. 40 pounds and a little polish will make him at worst a back-up we won’t cringe at if someone else goes down. But his upside is a lot higher than just riding the pine.

      I would like for the ratings services to downgrade Gavin Andrews if they could please. Maybe if he starts out at two or no stars they would just ignore him like they do all the others in that category, and I wouldn’t need to worry about poachers. Weinreich too. I want a bunch of morons on other college fan forums wailing about him being “just a two star” and “we need some four stars, not this two star mope”… and crap like that.

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    All these star ratings are interesting….I typically think ESPN is the hardest on players and it ranked Eldredge as a 3-star. I have no idea who is right, but just an discrepancy between the recruiting sites.

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    Who was the two-star from?

    More of these star ratings will increase for the cuurrent recruits as they play their final season and as other schools demonstrate interest in poaching them.

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    They probably should have strung this out a bit longer.

    https://www.ourbeavernation.com/2012_challenge/?gclid=CNLh56Wi6KoCFRNDgwod4DD-6Q

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      Or used a video of a cheerleader in daisey dukes and an orange/white cheketed top?

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      Not a bad promo. Is that Taylor Kavanaugh sitting at the computer?
      Eric playing the guitar is kinda… weird but I’m Ok with it.

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      I liked it a lot except for the 2 instances where, like many tv commercial commercials (that’s not a typo) women are shown belittling a guy. In this case it’s the part in the restaurant where the coed is eye-rolling and the last clip where the woman comes out and takes away the drumstick.

  • angry angry says:
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    Are any of you guys interested in a NFL fantasy football league?

    I have 4 slots open. It’s a $20 entry fee, draft date is Sept 7th, and the league winner will receive a prize of $175 (2nd place,$25).

    If you want in paypal $20 and I’ll send you the password/league info.

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    Pac12 newbies talk about identity, rise bowl hopes:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pac-12/index.ssf/2011/08/pac-12_south_preview_jon_embree_building_colorado_from_the_ground_up.html

    Identity, rose bowl…

    • helmsley says:
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      Not that long ago U of Colorado, Boulder, was in a huge mess.

      http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0310/p02s02-ussc.html

      Apparently, it’s been sorted out and, based upon the objcritic link, is again on good, solid ground. It will be interesting to see how the latest scandals, i.e., Miami, Oregon, etc., sort out based on the U of Colorado history.For sure, I think Shalala should resign. Her latest attempt at mollifying is a pre-recorded statement that’s being sent out to the media.

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    Interesting interview with Seastrunk…

    http://www.1660espn.com/includes/news_items/6/1329/082311_lacheseastrunkpt1.mp3

    http://www.1660espn.com/includes/news_items/6/1329/082311_lacheseastrunkpt2.mp3

    He actually sounds like a decent guy (though, I’m not sure I buy it). Interesting he says he left because he felt something was going down soon…

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      Interesting, I’ve listed to the first link twice today. Earlier, there was a big section at the beginning where he talked about how God told him to leave, God told him something big was about to go down, God said this, God said that….wish I had taken notes.

      Now, if you listen to the clip, that piece has been edited out. He goes straight from talking about his family wanting him to come back, and then there’s a small blip, where they deleted some of the interview. Do you think he has a gag order that prevents him from talking about the Oregon situation?

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        http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/DavidSmoak/~36alZ

        Even the radio show host is pretending that audio never existed. Another user quoted Lache from interview and the radio show host asks “where did you get those quotes?” as if they didn’t even exist. I’m wondering if it has something to do with Lache’s unconditional release not being granted if his reasons for leaving are not deamed reasonable.

        The unconditional release will allow him to play this year for Baylor. If the NCAA thinks he’s leaving because he’s jumping ship before the shit goes down, they probably deny the unconditional release and not allow him to play this year. My guess is that Lache asked them to edit that out of the interview after he realized it might jeopardize his ability to play this year.

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        That is very bizarre.

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          Check out the tweet history from Bryan Fisher (CBS sports Los Angeles)

          http://twitter.com/#!/BryanDFischer

          Wish I knew how to pick out specific twitter links to paste in here, but there is a section from earlier today where he left posts of:

          “Lache Seastrunk on leaving Oregon: “I felt like something was about to go down and God just wanted me to get up out of there.””

          “Does make you wonder if the NCAA will give Seastrunk limited immunity and his waiver in exchange for talking about Lyles/Oregon.”

          Seems like either Oregon or the NCAA has put a damp towel on this steamer. Wish there was a way to pull up the original audio still. It was definitely there.

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    Aaaahhh!!!

    They made Josh Andrews go against Dylann Wynn?
    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2011/08/day_15_at_oregon_state_morning.html

    Maybe we should not let Dylan practice, and just bring him out on gamedays. Maybe we roll him out on the field in a cage, open the gate and let him run out just before kickoff?

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      The good news is that Dylan Wynn is definitely not “under the radar” anymore. It will be interesting to see whether (or when) DW starts moving up the depth charts….

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        I bet he starts by UCLA. I like this guy more and more all the time – sounds like he is manhandling the Oline in practice.

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          DW didn’t get much chance to manhandle anyone the first couple of weeks because he got very few reps. Those days appear to be gone. Looking forward to seeing what DW does with more reps over the next week of practice, before the initial redshirt decisions are made….

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          Yeah, some shuffling of the Dline needs to happen.

          The question is, do you move Wynn (or Crighton) to the other DE spot? Or does Wynn get moved to a DT spot?

          Even if he doesn’t start, it’s pretty clear he’s going to get a lot of reps. Having that depth might not be a bad thing.

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            DW as a DT? Holy Crap! I say that because IF the roster on the OSU website is correct he only weighs 240 lbs. If OSU has to go with a 240 lb DT what does that say about the amount of DT talent on the team?

            Also, if a true freshman is making an experienced OL look bad all I can do is cringe.

            It appears that all the years of Riley’s inability to recruit linemen is becoming obvious. Imo it would have been obvious years ago if it weren’t for the Rogers brothers.

            Yikes!

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            Dylan Wynn would make any offensive line look bad. The kid is a monster and he’s only a freshman. Imagine him in two years.

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            Wynn was a great get, and he’s up to 260+ now. Still not big enough to play as a BCS DT… for mere mortals. But we have more than mortal DT’s at 280 or so. Still his type of violence is best displayed coming off the end. Blocking him is like trying to block a truck.

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            Here, this is always a fun watch… and the opening screen says everything:

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            Wynn is not anywhere close to 260…he’s maybe 245 on a good day. I would prefer he redshirts but if we lose anyone else on the dline I think riley will have no choice but to play him.

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            If a true freshman can make an immediate impact there is no point in redshirting. Dylan Wynn is a good player, he should not redshirt.

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            well ive been to over 75% of the practices and i’m not convinced Wynn can make an immediate impact this year so…

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            I picked up 260 from a Riley interview before camp began where he was talking about how impressed he was with the incoming frosh working hard to be ready to hit the ground running.

            Regardless, the two people I’ve talked to about him say he throws our line around like they’re rag dolls if he’s not busy driving them around like Miss Daisy.

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      How does one lineman give another, a concussion? Helmet spearing? They are only a few feet apart….how does this happen?

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        Happens a lot when a blocker will go low and take a knee to the side of the head.

        And OG vs. DE – likely was trying to pick him up coming off the end – more than half a step away in other words. There’s a lot of beef in those collisions.

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      Release the Kracken!!!

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    Looks like the Sac St. game will be on BNO. According to the schedule:

    http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/orst-m-footbl-sched.html

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      Good find, PB.

      Now I get to spend another $9.95 on top of my newly activated cable bill. Woo hoo.

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    I like the sound of new, young guys getting into the rotation. The reshuffling of last years guys didnt give me a lot of optimism. And if the recruiting is up, and continues so, the coaches need to be ready to put new guys in the lineup.

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    Anyone know how good the BNO feeds are? I’m trying to decide whether to go for the feed or try to make it down to the game.

    • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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      Feeds are generally pretty good. Haven’t seen a football one but basketball and baseball feeds are pretty good, so I assume the football feeds would be a good one as well. If you can you should probably go to the game though.

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      I think they’re fine, but have limited camera angles. I haven’t watched one in a few years, though, so let others chime in before deciding.

    • erock says:
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      Go to the game and support your team in person.

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        I was going to say that to Jayson, but then I thought even being a sarcastic dick was too much.

    • OStateBro says:
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      Go to the Game!

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        Pay their way!

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          Aw man – a sarcastic response. I’d rather keep things friendly bro.

          If you’re serious, your statement is a good example of one of the problems facing the OSU program – tepid fans. Tickets are $35 to the Sac St. game. I think the choice is obvious.

          Pretty positive you’re not serious though – instead just being an ahole.

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            I think tickets can be found for less. And I think they’re going cheap for some decent seats. I guess tepid extends to the season ticket holders who just want to recoup their money for a game not worth the gas it would take to attend.

            I just don’t understand why anyone would think you’re a fan of football when your team is Florida, and you get all excited for the home game against Fort Myers Directional State College of Lapidary Art. That’s not sport. It’s blood lust.

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            OStateBro:
            I keep seeing you say over and over to go to the games… you do realize that a good number of the people on this forum don’t live anywhere near Oregon anymore, right?

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            Where are you getting 35 bucks? OSU ticketpage online? I’m seeing tickets for $5 on stubhub.

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          Actually, I’m not one to talk. I’ve never liked being in a stadium for a football game except one time I was in a luxury suite. And I liked it because I could see the game on a big CCTV in the suite and hear the crowd at the same time. Hell, I think if we took the jumbotrons (or whatever they’re called nowadays) away from all stadiums most people would feel the same. It’s just odd trying to watch a very structured, linear game from the opposite side of the arena. And you’re going to be there no matter where you sit.

          Tailgating, on the other hand… there’s no reason to miss out on that these days with the advent of mobile technologies.

  • OSUBABY OSUBABY says:
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    Whats wrong with the site???

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      The last two afternoons, yesterday and today… the site was not accessible.

      • angry angry says:
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        Has anyone else had this problem? It works fine for me.

        • progressivebeav says:
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          Over the last week I’ve noticed that the site won’t load at times. But typically i can wait a min or two, refresh and it’ll come right up.

        • CraigBeav says:
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          I keep getting DNS issues that resolve themselves after a few refreshes.

        • MudAndSticks MudAndSticks says:
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          Angry: “…Has anyone else had this problem? It works fine for me….”

          At about 1:30p.m. on the 24th I was here reading the messages. I tried to post a message and got no response. So I opened another browser (IE) and couldn’t even bring up your website. By about 12:50p.m. it was back up and I was able to post my message.

  • OSUBABY OSUBABY says:
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    Nevermind, it finally works for me. I wasnt able to access it and then it wasn’t showing correctl.

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    For thoose of us in the military that are not near by to go see the game…is the feed good enough? I would hate to miss the game.

  • alex says:
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    Man, OLB is terrible for injuries – Welch, Te’o, Robinson, and Akuna all out. And Collins a little questionable…time for Jabral Johnson to step up??

  • angry angry says:
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    As you guys probably saw, Josh Andrews out with a concussion.

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      Yup, but he’ll be back next week and will practice for the Sac St game. Hmm and Wynn were going at it. I just would like no more injuries so I don’t have anything else to worry about lol

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        Buker headlined it that Andrews “goes down”. …. very bad reporting. He is only out for a few days.

        Anyone have comparisons with other teams injury lists? Is OSU really hard hit, or is it just ordinary competition results?

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    Someone said LSU wouldn’t get bit by the bar fight:
    http://theadvocate.com/home/666541-82/police-searching-jordan-jeffersons-home.html

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      That was me….. I still dont think anything happens. No one was really injured, …. the stories will conflict. Race hate to provoke it. Hey, maybe I am wrong. This was all about UO and their luck. Was it good luck they lost Harris for that game?

      Not condoning it, but its a bar fight.

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        I don’t think Harris does them any favors against LSU. Their WR’s are the best part of their team, and Harris gambles too much on less talented players and gets burned due to it. Special teams is where he will be missed if at all, and I suspect LSU’s gunners aren’t the types who fall for his kind of jukes.

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          Ok, but luck is a funny thing. If LSU loses their star QB and beats UO anyway….then its bad luck. If UO beats them without him, they dont get a lot of credit for the win. So seems to me the best luck for UO is LSU at full strength.

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          Cliff Harris is still a young player but the only noticeablly bad play that I remember that he made last season was agianst an All-Coference reciever. Juron Criner beat him badly on a double move that resulted in an 85 yard touchdown. Other than that, he played pretty lights out and led the Pac-10 in interceptions. He has also been picked by a few people (i.e. Phill Steele) as a Pre-Season All American at cornerback. By the way, I like the way you are pretending to know something about LSU. LSU’s recievers aren’t the best part of their team. Thier top reciever last year only had about 500 yards. They aren’t even a passing team. They run first. In any event, forgive me if I still have a hard time believing that Oregon will not miss it’s best defensive player.

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        No one was really injured? The Baton Rouge Police disagree:

        “One man was knocked unconscious and another man suffered three fractured vertebrae in a Friday bar fight reportedly involving LSU football players, Baton Rouge police said Tuesday.”

        http://theadvocate.com/home/658731-79/bar-fight-injuries-described.html

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          Ok….I said that based on the initial reports. According to that, no one even went to the hospital right away.

          I still say, its a fight in a parking lot outside a bar, with witnesses galore. I competely expect a bunch of conflicting stories, depending on which side you were on. And it doesnt matter what the police think, it depends on what the DA will do with it. So I still expect it to fade away.

          If UO is lucky, it will and they will get LSU at full strength.

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            I would imagine most bars have security cams on their parking lots… I live in Southern Louisiana now, and I’d say they’d be pretty much a necessity with all the theft and shit that goes on down here.

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            Video from a nearby store was mentioned. Sounds like it was a crowd of guys involved. Be hard to pin down what exactly went down. Unless there is a clearly defined “victim”, I think they let it go.

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    We need a new thread. This one is too much to navigate, and there are a lot of things going on.

    Hoops schedule will be out today. I’m amped enough that I will be disappointed if we end up with Obscure University X5 on our schedule. We need to be seeing the Portland schools and more Cali WCC competition. And who will our opponent be in Chicago? NW? DePaul? Loyola? Valpo is close enough I guess… as is Notre Dame. Please no UIC or Chicago State. Some already mentioned are weak teams, but they are recognizable names, which (IMO) lends an air (if not actual) of legitimacy to a schedule.

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    Latest depth chart released today.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2011/08/oregon_state_football_latest_d.html

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      When’s the last time we saw OSU run a play utilizing a fullback? At least pre-Quizz era. Makes me think if you’re a Beaver fullback that’s code for “you’re riding the pine.” Unless of course we’re changing a bit this year.
      Also, what’s this about Lance Mitchell having abdominal issues? He’s not the one that had surgery is he? Now I’m confused.

      • T-beav says:
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        LM opted out of having the same surgery that CC had… I thought.

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          I think that’s right. Something about it being a lesser injury which should heal more quickly.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Where is Dylan Wynn on that chart? What do the ***’s indicate?

  • MudAndSticks MudAndSticks says:
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    Angry: The website is having one of its problems. Using IE I’m unable to post a msg. Tried it with Chrome and it didn’t work either. Tried a 2nd time and got a msg saying I’d already made that post BUT it doesn’t show up. Hopefully this msg will get posted.

    • angry angry says:
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      For some reason you were marked as spam, that’s why your comment didn’t show up. Were you logged in when you posted?
      It’s rare for that to happen, but the spam filter does miss now and then.

      • Mud&Sticks says:
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        Spam. LOL Your filter is smarter than I thought!!! 🙂

        I might not have been logged in with IE but I was logged in with Chrome. Imo there’s some kind of glitch bwdik.

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        If the spam filter worked with any regularity none of my comments would get posted.

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    Here’s what I was trying to post: IF the OL is incapable of run blocking and also doesn’t give the QB enough time to go through his progression then having a FB in to block might make a lot of sense. bwdik

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    Basketball 2011-12 schedule is out. This is great:

    TicketCity Legends Classic (East Rutherford, N.J. )
    Nov. 19 — vs. Texas
    Nov. 21 — vs. Vanderbilt or North Carolina State

    Maybe we can take them by surprise?

    Complete schedule: http://tinyurl.com/44nnq6d

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/6880927/pac-12-football-preview-page-2-interviews-all-12-coaches

    Nice to see opposing coaches paying respect to a couple of our guys from last season.

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    SBB chimes in on Yelverton:
    http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/

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      I was just reading that. Yelverton took kids cross country for “free” and Nike “donated” $40,000 to his school hahahah. I lost my PB&J sandwich.

      When we were bored and discussing Oregon a few months ago I said I’d be nervous if I were Cal. This is exactly why. Can’t believe it took the media four years to figure out who Yelverton is and how shady Gabe King’s recruitment was.

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        Wasn’t Remene Alston who Seastrunk noted on the audio interview as being a good mentor?

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        man the Ducks are so shady. It is too bad Phil holds so much sway or they might actually get punished.

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