Considering the opponent, time zone, and QB upheaval, like you guys I'm not expecting a good day. Earlier in the week I tried to make a case for how the Beavers could win this game. Speed on the edge and kick returns are the two advantages I see. However, after rethinking matters, I just don't have faith the Beaver's coaches will exploit that. They'll remain true to their rigid beliefs (e.g. pounding the ball up the middle, face guarding WRs, etc) and fail to make pre-game or in-game adjustments. Three times is a trend, so this is the trend several times over.
I just don't see the Beavs slowing Wisconsin's run game; therefore, if the Beavs are to win the game, this is what needs to happen:
- Great kick and punt returns to shorten the field
- Take the crowd out of it with early success
- A +2 turnover ratio with good returns into Wisconsin territory
- Exploit the edge w/speed
- Convert 3rd downs
- Stop Wisconsin in 3rd down passing situations (i.e. force at least 4 Wisky punts)
- Fake punt for a 1st down or TD
If the coaches go to Wisconsin thinking they can play a standard, balanced game they'll leave with yet another early season, out of conference, blow out loss. This game will require both creativity and passion to win. Those are two of the staff's biggest weaknesses. Wisconsin has a better coaching staff, game plan, QB, RB, and offensive line. Wisconsin's LBs appear slow, and their secondary is questionable, but I have no faith that OSU will exploit those vulnerabilities. I expect to see Ward left, Ward up the middle, followed by a predictable pass short of the first down marker.
Until the Beavers win a big road game I refuse to pick them. The question is how bad the loss will be. I think the Beavers have a much better defense than UNLV, so that combined with Wisconsin's penchant to run makes me think this will be a short game. Translation: Wisconsin won't have time to run it up too bad. I think the Delta will be fairly large (25 points), but Wisconsin won't reach that 50+ stratosphere that many are predicting.
38-13, Badgers
Good luck Beavs. I won’t be able to follow the game real-time but am hoping for a BIG surprise when I get home.
Who’s starting at QB today?
Off topic, but I need to get this out: watching ASU last night, that fan base is amazing. Loud, young, passionate. I realize the university is huge, but still…that was energy and a gameday experience of which I could only fantasize. When contrasted against Randy the Logger, Beaver Biceps, and panoramic shots of our ancient fanbase, it’s just depressing.
I won’t try to predict a score but Wisconsin will win. I think there might be an OS player or two who will play out of his head despite the overwhelming atmosphere, ,the fact that the team and coaches are being dissed by many fans, and those same coaches not seeming to have faith in the players. And, in the words of Forrest Gump: “That’s all I have to say about that!.”
I think some of that is because ASU is picked to win the Pac-12 south. It is easier for young people to hop on a bandwagon of a good team.
Re; ASU – Osweiler and Pflugrad are both from Montana. Erickson’s Montana connections are paying off. .
ASU has scheduled Oregon State for their Family/Hall of Fame weekend –
How many of you think the Beavs will come out flat/dispassionate and be down 2 scores before the coffee kicks in?
*Raises hand*
Also, I think Urban Meyer is doing the game. He’s solid, but he’s not going to do the Beavs any (National) favors by calling it like it is.
If Urban Meyer is calling the game, that’s another reason I’m excited to watch. I’m eager to hear Meyer’s expert assessment of, among other things: (1) our two QBs and their merits/flaws; (2) our offensive line play; (3) our secondary and pass coverage technique; (4) Langsdorf’s play calling.
I’m also hoping that some of Meyer’s comments get back to Riley and his staff (particularly re pass coverage technique and play-calling, if we do as badly as usual in those areas today…)
Good points, SS. It would be nice to hear criticism from true legendary coaches. Might wake this staff up.
I believe Meyer is calling the game. The crew shifted to him earlier, and I think I heard them say “from Wisconsin” when introducing him. I had the TV low because the Lady Beav is still sleeping so I could have misheard.
You mean while we are playing Katz? Yeah, I could see it. I want Mannion in after the first stalled drive. Football ain’t about trying or 3 and out. I have seen the Katz results in these games enough to know what would happen. Show me something new so I can guage how effective a leader Mannion can be even with Agnew out. I want to see some sustained drives and doing what it takes to score and keep our defense off the field as long as possible. You know, actually trying to win.
I would suggest prepping Ryan Katz with vicodin, because he’s gonna be sore.
Hell, I’m prepping myself with Vicodin…
I am confident Wisconsin will score 40 plus. This is Banker DB technique remember. Russell Wilson is a smooth operator. I am hoping to see atleast 3 quarters of Mannion and him do a good job of leading the Team even with a brand new RB like Ward today. Hope Cooks does better and Wheaton has a few big plays for OSU. We are going to need them
Angry….totally agree with you on the ASU atmosphere. I am just glad the PAC-12 got that win. That was important. Not only were the flames on the LEDs and energized fans awesome it was also cool that Harden, Mickelson, Nash and other famous alum of Arizona Stae supporters were there. They totally were all in as a fanbase.
Beaver Biceps and Randy are a total travesty in comparison. That is what I love about Erickson though. He inspires more and is so much more of a factor in the bigger games. he gets key wins and will string them together for those special seasons. he has his players always playing with attitude and swagger. It is worth it if it goes just a tad far on occassion. Compared to not having much of it like we do under Riley I much more like the jazzed atmosphere, energy and attitude he usually delivers.
Our team used to be tough and a little renegade back in 2000 and having that attitude like we did on D is especially what I miss. It carries to both sides of the ball. It is a more fun attitude to be around and when it is clicking it is pretty great.
My 6 year old is calling a Beavs win! I am going with that because “ingnorance is bliss” and I love it. Im more interested in who the back is going to be. Last week we ran with success, if we can’t do that then we are really screwed. Especially if Angew continues to have hammy problems. I hope we see some Obum this game, I think the majority of their DB’s are under 6 ft.
Man, I want a beer…beaver radio team saying it can’t get any worse (which is not true)…riley saying they need to start winning these big games, emphasizing kicking game edge. Good call Angry.
Cool.
Wheaton running fly sweeps is a huge advantage…he will be the fastest player on the field today. I want to see the Beavs try it at least three times.
Or screens.
“”-kicking game edge” lol
Just for the record, that was Riley not me. I said punt return game!
Would never mutter a positive word about Hekker…ever.
This “Switching QBs” thing is looking horrid so far. Just going to make each of them overextend, try too hard.
Katz looks good, Mannion looks bad.
Announcers rightfully all over Riley.
To be fair, Katz threw a screen pass, ran a sneak, and handed it off. Mannion threw a bunch.
That was a very inaccurate pass too…if he puts it anywhere decent, that’s a first down. Looked like some jitters to me.
His throwing motion is bad. He holds the ball high near his ear and short arms it.
It was hard to see that last week due to the bad camera angles.
Beavs are a mess.
Yeah Riley and co getting ripped, and I agree why the fuck would you pull him after 1 series???? ESP when he was doing well??? Aaaagggjh!!!
To the edge for 8 yds… Then 3 over the middle for nothing, 2 nearly picked… What the fuck!??!
Stay on the edge!!!!
What is going on? Expect a few fumbled snaps with the center having to constantly adjust to a different QB. Riley looks like a fool.
Maybe Vaz and Lomax can play the next series.
Richie Harrington please
3rd down ball should have been caught. Bounced right off our guy. I said bring in Mannion after first stalled drive. Should have probably atleast let Katz go until he didn’t make a first down.
WOW! Poyer turned around!!!! YAY!!!!
Poyer looked for the ball, what’s wrong with them!!!
Poyer looked for the ball!!!
Poyer looked back for the ball!!!!!!!!!!!
Coaches are so committed to the “platooning quarterbacks was the plan” talk that they switch qbs just to make their point, even if its the wrong call at that point in the game. At least the defense held ok that first series.
Bingo.
I like the press coverage. But that quick out is gonna kill us.
And Poyer was looking at the ball! AWESOME!!!!!
Bad throw by Wilson, but scouting us says that’s a PI call every time.
Will be nice having Urban Meyer’s thoughts on Riley all day.
Seriously, he’s already killing him.
staying with Mannion…interesting…
CATCH THAT!!!
8 guys in the box…let’s run it!
Short passes to replace the run would be awesome if people would catch the ball.
2 drops by Cooks already. Good throw.
Hekker,
WTF!!!!
Wow! Hekker NEVER shanks it!
-4 yd punt
HEKKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear god. Dear. God.
What the fuck hecker? There’s no wind!
omg
OMG
I thought Wheaton had that.
Think Romaine can punt? Can’t be any worse.
Hekker: 50 yard punt, 50 yard punt, 5 yard put. His career in a nutshell. Not good enough.
Our defense is looking GOOD so far though.
I think we have a run a defense! :)
It looks like our defensive identity is to stop the run so far this season. Let’s see if it holds up all game.
I’m telling you… Seumalo and Motter were not bad last week.
I agree… They are both going to be serviceable.
Just figured out my DISH feed must have a 5 second delay. I knew the shank was coming before we even snapped it.
That was predictable.
And the MLB is standing while watching the ball go by. Some things will never change I guess.
yup, Urban Meyer just pointed out with what you said.
Worst punt ever costs the Beavs a touchdown. Bring in the aussie punter, couldn’t do any worse….
Do we actually have a backup?
Since we’re so fond of swapping players…
Great D so far. But can only do some much with 14 yard field.
And as I say that, 40 blows his coverage on the TE.
Still can’t bash the D when that 6 should go on our idiot, idiot punter.
Why even have a punter/former QB when you never fake?
This game was lost when Mannion came in.
Just don’t understand these coaches…
At some point ardent fans will have to question the staff. A good time might be now since a hall of fame/legendary coach is asking questions…
All in all I think were doing fine. We have to remember that Wisconsin is a far superior team than the Beavers. I think in the second half Wisconsin wears down our D more with up-the-gut run after up-the-gut run and if our offense can’t string some first downs together Wisconsin will fill up the scoreboard. We are behind and don’t have a running game without Agnew so Mannion will be airing it out.
What about going to chat room?
I’m speechless. Is Hekker aussie for heckle?
So have the Katz haters seen enough with Mannion going 0/5 with 2 almost int?
Cannot believe Hekker was that bad. Can Romaine punt decently? He seems to be a pretty good all around kicker. Beats Hekker if he is going to be inconsistent and shank like that at this level.
Did they just show someone shaking Hekker’s hand and Hekker smiling?
Yes. Fucking fuck.
And now he is smilin and smiling and jaw jacking??? Fuck you hekker.
Hecker on the sideline having a laugh. Dude, you’re the butt of the joke. It isn’t cute
Nice base d vs 4 wide wtf…mlb on wr….
Base 4-3!!!!!!!!
Meyer thinks the MLB was at fault on the TD? Who am I to argue with Banker’s LB coaching?
Shoulda been nickle/dime. Leave doctor/collins in.
Fly sweep!
Each QB should play one series, if you’re going to do this.
Yup, Wheaton should have that all day. And they should, if creative, be able to call plays off that threat
0/6 3 almost picks
TAKE MANNION OUT!!!! almost 4 INT’s now!!! He’s losing confidence and he has happy feet!
Eh.
A couple of those were tips with no shot at actually being intercepted.
But his accuracy has not been good so far, despite the drops.
that’s what I mean, he’s throwing to covered guys
Our O line is handling it so far.
Their defense is not good except for Borland. Mannion just looks shaky so far. He seems to be settling down a little. But now that I’ve jinxed him, he’s gonna tank.
I’m guessing Katz has been extra pouty and vocal about it. I think we would have seen him back in the game by now if he hadn’t done something to piss off Riley.
O-line is buying more time then expected.
New CB comes in, so you go after the vet. Nice.
Mannion doesn’t even have a good arm. The ball is floating out there. And his delivery is horrible.
Looks good/quick on the short stuff, but anything 10+ yards, yuck.
Mannion gonna throw 50 times.
Who’s that #14? He’s good!
Katz will start the next series
hope you’re right! Also, the ball is on the 5 not the 1.
That pass was on the spot if it wasn’t batted.
Props where they are due, i like our gameplan; short passes to semi-replace the run.
If only we could complete/catch them.
When they showed the reply there was no effort for the catch by the receiver… yeah bated but try at least.
Dear Hekker…. I still hate you right now.
You guys should go to chat
I’ve seen enough. Bring Katz in. If I’m going to watch almost picks and incompletes with poorly thrown balls, at least have someone that can scramble.
Here comes a screen or a pass to the TE.
Didn’t see that coming.
We rushed 5…HOW is everyone not covered?
Not a bad start boys! If not for a horrid punt, tie game
My only issue is Mannion’s slow throwing motion. That is going to cause a lot of picks. Looks
Ike Roper’s.
Big suprise D line looks decent
This is exactly the type of team our old-school (read-old) gameplan works against. Slow, run, grind-it-out type teams.
Of course, they’re murdering us with mid slants…have we never seen that before? I don’t understand.
They’ve noticed that our MLB likes to sit. This might be bad.
Our secondary is not good. Poyer is the only one covering. Everyone else is standing around waiting instead of staying with their man!
Love how they are calling out the beavs d
If their WR’s run free, why do we have DB’s?
Blatant holding by wisconsin o-line won’t help. If refs let that crap go its gonna be a long day
DYLAN!!!!!
Gotta love wynn, stop them!
THERE WE GO!
Wynn is a monster! Rusty!!!!
Fernando as a pass rush specialist? Hmmm.
Big stop!!! I hope it pumps our O
Glad we FINALLY got a stop. Did we finally blitz or did someone actually beat someone?
(Stuck at work listening via the net)
Nope just a four man rush and Fernando beat his guy.
We still only rushed 4, but luckily one got in.
Why won’t this staff ever call a blitz of more than 5?
HOLY CRAP our defensive line looks awesome! And they were even EXCITED after those last two plays to celebrate with each other!
Yeah… Katz are in the dog house.
I don’t understand it. Are they mad that he tucked the ball and ran so quickly on that first run?
I don’t think it has anything to do with this game. I think it must be an attitude/insubordination thing.
Check downs don’t make first downs.
Yeah, i’d like to know what”s going on.
Either we decided last week that he was going to be a decoy and Mannion would play most of the game, or Katz REALLY pissed someone off after that series.
Either way, Mannion needs to start hitting his passes. I thought his throwing motion was supposed to be more compact? Right now it’s looking like Tebow’s throws.
Rusty Frenando made a good move inside the RT and broke free for the sack.
I still haven’t seen play-action from Wilson. You gotta think that’s coming with a screen sometime soon.
I just woke up. Has Wilson tried to run yet? D looks good. And dammit Hekker!!
No he has not.
Now they’re running their 4-3, but dropping everyone.
Wilson may not be the most exciting announcer (by ANY means) but he’s sure right a lot of the time.
Designed run with Katz? Langsdork, you so silly.
Riley is at least confusing me.
Quit faking injuries to slow down our offense!!!!!!!!!
Yeah…. BOOOO!
45 plays later, we made it to…our 33.
Interesting. And why take Katz out after one play?
He’s only going to be running the wildcat unless 4 stinks it up
I know I was praying for a 4 yd pass to the TIGHT END when we needed…..umm….a lot more
There he is worst ref in college football history
Do you think its possible that Katz wrist is still injured? The guy who shredded arizona through the air last year is being used as a running quarterback almost exclusively?
Personal Foul. What it was, nobody knows.
What we really needed was to give them good field position, since they haven’t been able to move the ball themselves.
nice sarcasm!
What the eff did Perry do? (If anything) to warrant such a crucial penalty?
Angry does the site auto refresh ?
No
LOL!!! Our biggest D-lineman is almost as fast as their QB!!
Holding !!!!
Finally get a holding call. They’re almost begging for it
Wisconsin is going after Jordan Poyer and getting a completion every single time.
The important thing is we adjusted to that formation which got them a TD last play (NOT)….sigh
Get a stop!
Reynolds never looked at the ball. Sigh.
yes he did, it was a quick glance right as the ball arrived, but he was out of position to make a play.
Fire Mark Banker.
At least Reynolds looked back! That’s a positive. Not his fault he’s short and #1 is tall and has hops like a jack rabbit!
If you’re not gonna look for the ball, at least hit the receiver hard to possibly prevent a clean catch……
We need to run ward, keep the d honest
I see Mark Banker worked on some excellent pass defense technique this week. For the most part they haven’t bothered covering guys so no risk of pass interference.
A lot of fans paid a lot of money to go to Wisconsin for this game and Riley is giving them this BS!
Oh dear lord, catch the ball while flying out of bounds? What the hell?
Are we the least mentally polished team in college football?
Have to be, like angry said last night, everything looks so hard for us
If Parker had missed it, like a lot of our DB’s, we probably would’ve been fine
Wow…….going from ineffective to stupid at the speed of light
ANNNNNNNND…..we’re not ever ready to run a play. Riley is on his game today baby
NOO JUICE! :(
Really impressed with D-Line so far. Did not expect them to come out and play this well. Secondary has been absolutely atrocious. Mostly vanilla pass plays designed for Mannion, playbook finally opening up. Gonna be a long day, hopefully the Beavers stay somewhat close.
Please tell me Andrews was faking the injury to buy mannion time…
Colin Kelly, not only a bad tackle, but just tore our best lineman’s A/MCL.
Langsdorf’s play calling atrocious as usual.
3rd and 14…screen up the middle that hasn’t fooled anyone since 2006.
That screen right after Urban Meyer said OS prepared well with not having the talent… ouch.
That play probably hasn’t fooled anyone (except the Beavers) since Johnny U and the start of the forward pass.
It’s like the fake to third/throw to first pickoff play in baseball.
Haven’t heard frahm’s name called once
On 2nd and 3 just throw a quick slant or a ball in the flat to pick up three or more yards. You do not go into a 6 or 7 step drop pass and allow for a potential sack.
Yeah, Andrews leg exploded… If you missed the replay, it was BAD!
The worst part is not a sole in Beavernation was surprisd one bit when not only did we call an ill-advised higher risk deep drop pass play on 2nd and SHORT…….but it failed in a epic fashion.
Slant for 5 yards. Again.
Has Poyer made a positive play yet?
Their first play of the game, they threw at him for an incompletion. Since then…
Defense looking really deflated now.
Their passing/scrambling game has now opened up their running game. This is about to get really bad.
Too bad covering Toon wasn’t part of our game plan. Only a matter of time before they go to him for the 3rd TV for the Badgers.
Well our D is wore out. We needed a long sustained drive and couldnt get it. I hope we go back to Katz at the half. I’ve seen enough of Mannion this season.
Mannion is having a tough day but Langsdorf has done him no favors in his first road game.
Looks like Riley is saving yet 3 more timeouts for his unused timeout collection
No pressure yet again. Completed pass over the middle yet again. Haven’t we seen this movie already?
It would be nice to get to the half only down by 14.
It is the small victories.
Timeout because “Riley didn’t like Wisconsin’s passing formation.” I haven’t been wild about several formations earlier.
We suck!!!!!
NO…….PASS……D……whatsever in the redzone
None at all.
This even after a timeout.
No clue anymore apparently
AND they ran for like 40 yards on that drive. Our amazing D returns.
Wisconsin rushed 4 and got to Mannion.
We should take notes.
Lets get 15 yards & kick a long field goal. Romaine only misses game winners that are close so we should be ok on that
Boy Remmers sure saves his penalties so they’ll really count
It’s going to be a long season.
To be honest I that it would be a lot worse then this and actually 7 points the badgers have were a gimme.
PLEASE. CAN WE GET RID OF RILEY. HE HAS ZERO CONFIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT EVEN AGAINST SAC ST.!!!!!!!!!!!! OSU NEEDS A FRESH START. RILEY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
New post on the front page.
Urban Meyer’s sees an opportunity to take underdog OSU to a winner and comes out of retirement taking Riley’s spot as head coach… sorry just morning dreaming.
Why are they bringing in Katz for one play
when Mannion is finally getting a rhythm?