14.Feb.2012 Trent Bray to Coach LBs

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As a graduate assistant.

Wow. Good get.

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  • whatinthebluehell says:
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    Recruiting situation picked up a bit…

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t know about that. Don’t think GA’s are allowed to recruit (i.e. not positive, but I’ve never seen one land a recruit). Great to get some youth, though, and a guy who could take over the D one day. The price is right, too.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    That’s great news. I was calling for this guy back when Erickson’s staff got fired. I wish we could have his dad replace Banks.

    • whatinthebluehell says:
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      Well I wouldn’t go that far…Dad is kind of a pyscho….in a literal sense….but any help through Trent would be helpful…

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        Would rather have a psycho coaching the D than our current teddy bear.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Psycho teddy bear would be really awesome!

        • brownale9000 says:
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          Banker is a teddy bear now?

          How did psycho work out for Nick Holt? Or Mike Stoops?

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    What was Bray’s title at ASU last season? Was he a graduate assistant then too?

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    is there a link to this news? i haven’t seen anything other than what’s on your site and what bluehell posted on scout

  • locusimperium says:
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    So what is the rumor? Trent Bray joining our coaching staff? How would that effect our recruiting?

    • angry angry says:
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      Probably just his AZ area contacts and helping other coaches recruit. I don’t think he can recruit, or if he can, it’s probably in a limited role. Think about it–when have you ever seen a GA land a recruit? Never happens. It’s still a good hire, though.

  • Jack says:
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    Replacing who? Darlin?

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Here’s a link to what I found on GA’s duties. I don’t know who the “Expert” is but is pretty extensive. Recruiting is near the bottom, basically it says they can’t do any off-campus recruiting but can make prospective phone calls.

    http://en.allexperts.com/q/College-Football-2792/2010/1/Graduate-Assistant-Programs.htm

    I like this hire, especially sense he’s not on payroll, I would’ve take him as a paid LB coach. The coaching staff is looking deeper now. Question, Banker goes back to just DC?

  • BeavMonkey says:
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    Could we trade Trent Bray for Tyler Bray?

    seriously, Tyler=#1 pick of the 2013 NFL draft.

    • BeavMonkey says:
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      ok, might have exaggerated there, but it is possible. Great player Bray is.

      ok, yeah, so I am not sure how we are to judge a graduate assistant’s coaching skills.

      Last year he couldn’t get Vontaze Burfict to play consistently and year before, couldn’t get him to stop getting personal foul penalties every 3rd down play.

      Vontaze Burfict was a 5* recruit, and is a man with tremendous athletic abilities. His failure is analogous to a math teacher being unable to get an Asian student to do Algebra.

      are we sure we want him over a legit LB coach?

      • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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        Burfict is an ass and don’t think anyone can change personality except the person themselves. Disagree with the example given…. sometimes you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

        I’m starting to get excited now about the new coaches, one older experienced and one younger with killer instinct… both on defense where Banker needs all the help he could get.

        • matt b says:
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          Burfict is his own man and not a programmable robot. He got into college only thru the black magic of DE. After selling his soul to the devil too many times, DE went down, helped by a player who he had enabled to cheat. Is it any wonder that Burfict was/is out of control when DE and others gave him a pass time after time? As long as these guys won, everyone loved them.

      • KC says:
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        nice racist touch there at the end. i dig that.

        • matt b says:
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          Try reading “1493”. It will turn your limited understanding of racism upside down.

          • Jack says:
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            Read “Lies My Teacher Told Me” first. It will fill in the human condition Mann ignores.

            Mann does a great job of packing his books with facts, but he fails to include intentional human malevolence. He romanticizes too many actions as accidental, when that simply wasn’t the case. And those romantic notions stand in stark contrast to the generally scientific tact his books take. But Mann sure does get into the weeds without getting lost in them.

          • matt b says:
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            Agreed. His presentation is merely a starting point and he does manipulate quotes and research to fit his needs, that is, to sell books.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Mann is treading deep waters with a book like 1493. One point to take from it is the pseudo quality of several so-called “sciences”. …like anthropology, sociology, archeology and so on. Such “sciences” are ruled by the opinions of the top people in the field, not the evidence at hand.

            One of the great books of our time.

  • hugeorgan says:
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    When Bray was at ASU he used to bash Riley.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT, LaCrosse team gets some uniform changes. There are some quotes about developing an identity. I like the LIMITED use of an intense orange on the facemask, and matte black.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2012/02/oregon_state_university_mens_l.html

    “Gereb, HGI vice president of business development and a 1992 OSU graduate with a history degree, has tried to convince Oregon State officials to adopt a snazzier, HGI-produced design for its helmets. He’s gone so far as to design and produce prototypes. OSU equipment officials have seen the work, said it was nice but ultimately decided it was not for the Beavers, Gereb said.”

    “We are currently working with Nike’s Graphics Identity Group to review and explore potential new options for our OSU athletics identity package. The intent of this 18-month process is to look at how we might be able to improve the marketing of our programs. The review will look at all parts of the identity package from color schemes to the OSU font and the Beaver logo. The current plan is to announce any changes for the fall of 2013.”

    • angry angry says:
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      Those unis are pretty ugly, but the general idea to change our current logo and strategically use colors is a good one. I don’t like the “we’re from the future” uniforms on anyone. Even Oregon looked better a decade ago when they just used colors wisely rather than flashy. It’s all about understanding how to use accents and less is more with these things.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      lol….really bad photography — you cant even see what the helmets and unis look like, the lighting is so bad.

      But I am all for being progressive. Dont superimpose adult notions of proper “look”. Its kids who are filling these unis, and they should have a lot of say in what is developed.

      On the other hand, I like the school colors to be retained, unlike UO, for instance, which has in essence dropped them. That drab green in the Rose Bowl, was imo embarassing. A terrible display of poor uniforms, by a rich school.

  • tim318 says:
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    Just read Cliff Kirkpatrick’s blog. He says that because Bray spent two seasons as a GA for ASU, he has only one season left as a GA for OSU. So it is filling an immediate need on defense, with options for the future.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Greg Biggins @GregBiggins
    TeeMartin is HUGE hire for #USC, traveled with him on the Nike Camp tour for 2 years, great football mind, monster recruiter, knows the game

    Compare the two Ast Coach hires, Perry vs Martin.

    NFL exp and long resume or College guy with recruiting exp. I don’t know how good of a coach Tee Martin is, but apparently he’s a top notch recruiter. It’s interesting that a school like Usc who has recruits literally fall into their program, would still want a strong recruiter.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Yes, very interesting that SC would still put an emphasis on recruiting.

      Just read Martin’s Bio and, between the two, I think Perry is a better fit for OS(U). First, Perry’s NFL experience is so much better. Second, a sharp QB mind is way down on the list of needs here.

      I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Perry turns out to be a good recruiter, he has the record and manner. Really a question of energy and (maybe) passion, IMHO.

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        Yeah I am not sure about his recruiting skills, but I won’t sell him short, pretty powerful that you can walk into the living room wearing a couple of Super Bowl rings! However, I think Tee Martin might have one with the Steelers, but I am not sure on that.

        I agree QB coach wasn’t a concern for the staff, so I am not comparing the positional portion of that more the coaching ability and recruiting.

    • Jack says:
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      Good ol’ Cash and Carry himself.

      Didn’t he have a post-game interview about his WR’s at UK this last year where he was asked why he thought they were dropping everything in sight, and he said something to the effect of, “I dunno. I never played the position.”

      ?

      • matt b says:
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        Thank you Jack. Just because a guy was with someone on a promotional tour doesn’t make that guy a great coach or recruiter. Tee Martin was a great college player for the Vols. He has great contacts in the South and is a very entertaining personality and known as a good schmoozer. But will it help USC? There isn’t a kid alive today that will know or remember that Tee led the Vols to the promised land. Showing kids your clippings is not all that credible to a high school kid. Could it be that Lane just wants to get another dig at UTenn? If you recall, once he fell out with Al Davis, Lane would not let go. He was/is a punk. He continued to hold a grudge and make digs at the Raiders for a long time, His inability to forgive and forget will ultimately lead to his downfall. I think that Pat Hayden tolerates Lane Kiffen and gives the teenager boundaries.

        • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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          I don’t think it is a dig on Tenn, he (Martin) was coaching at Kentucky, and if anybody is making a dig it would be Martin who choose to join Kiffin’s staff after what happened with him as HC in Tennessee Martin’s alma marta.

  • matt b says:
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    Who would you rather have, the guy with the bio or the guy making the bio? Baron Davis or Jeremy Lin? I was initially against the Perry hire. Now I think that it will be a very good thing for the Beavers. Rather than envy what the neighbors just purchased, how about just dedicating yourself to getting better with what you have?

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Good points, and I agree with alot of what you do, didn’t mean for it to come across as supporting one or the other, as I think I am like yourself buying more and more into this hire. I just thought it was a good topic of discussion, the Young Recruiter vs the Cagey Vet coach. I almost feel that Usc went a route they didn’t need to go, but you see the other Programs really push the Recruiting aspect of the Programs. It does seem a line drawn in the sand, Recruiting vs Coaching. We can only speculate what is the way to go, we know what has one the last few seasons. I tend to believe Coaches become better coaches when they have better players.

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        Greg Biggins @GregBiggins
        Tee Martin, “I can see why Lane is the best recruiter in the country, as of Tuesday I was staying at UK, he was relentless and made me feel comfortable”

        The young and determined coach constantly selling versus the Vet coach always teaching, but going back to the presser, “we are not going to get the top guys” attitude. Kinda scares me, to think we won’t be able to become a top notch program without the top notch players. I guess I better just get used to that and settle on status quo. Maybe the teaching can work and we teach up these kids?

      • Jack says:
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        Fwiw… Tennessee took a pass on Martin a couple months ago for their openings on the offensive side. It might have had to do with the bad taste his scandal left in the universities mouth. It might have just had to do with his coaching abilities. Fink doesn’t care about either. He had Eddie Gran on his staff at Tennessee, and he is well known as a terrible coach but a great recruiter.

        • matt b says:
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          I still think that there is as much to be learned from Kyle Wittingham and Bill Snyder about recruiting and coaching than there is to learn from Sark and Kiffen. How was Utah able to get in and win a bowl game with a D2 qb? How was Snyder able to win with a wr playing qb? That doesn’t mean that you give up on the top notch recruits nor sentence yourself to mediocrity. The question really is, how do you maximize your opportunities in life given the resources that you have? How do you create additional resources if your not able to just go buy them? Its not fair that UW, UO and USC have much more revenue. So what? Tryng to imitate those guys is a dead end street. But they can be beaten on the gamefield by creative leadership and hard work. It is perfectly legit to push Riley and Robinson to be more creative and to work harder to earn their keep.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            Riley is a system and scheme guy over strategy shaped to take advantage of the talent he is able to accrue, and is slow to offer changes in response to the talent he does recruit. I’m a little challenged to think of any major strategic developments since the implementation of the fly sweep to take advantage of James Rodger’s abilities, or the limited use of the Wildcat while Jacquizz was here. Apparently, Riley is considering implementing some wildcat packages this spring for Jordan Poyer, which I think is two years overdue.

            I think moving Wynn to MLB and moving him around would create significant advantage for the Beavers, as Wynn would not only see his opportunities to make plays increase, but other defenders would benefit as well. He’d be the honeybadger who don’t care or give a shit, and other players would be the opportunistic jackals would get to eat the rodents while he was wrecking the middle. Angry has a great suggestion for moving Gwacham to TE and gaining a strategic advantage there. It would also allow other WR talent to get on the field, creating an additional advantage.

            But Riley is more of a “This is what we do” coach. “Player D is a WR, and in 2012 needs to fulfilll the same role in that role a very different player did in 2007.Because that’s what we do. We leave our corners “out on an island” in man coverage whether or not they can play man coverage because that’s what we do. Hopefully, by year 3 or 4, those CB’s will be good enough to get us to Las Vegas in December…..”

            Elsewhere on this site Angry has a post wherein he uses a chess analogy to emphasize Riley’s general lack of a strategic approach in using the “pieces” he has on his roster. Its worth going back and reading if you haven’t seen it.

          • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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            so this speaks to more about recruiting than coaching, Riley isn’t going to change his scheme or system much, so in order for it to improve he NEEDS the talent level to increase.
            Don James, “I realized I became a much better coach when I had much better talent.”

            Riley can always teach his assistants to coach his system, what he seems to lack is the ability to bring in the top notch talent, and that is where I think we need to upgrade.

          • matt b says:
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            Pat Casey never has had top notch talent, No disrespect to the great and honorable beavers who have represented OS. I have more respect for them because they were/are not as individually talented as Arizona State. It is not necessary to have top talent to win. Guys, Jeremy Lin is not a top talent and never will be. Scott Rueck is not a top talent and does not have top talent on his roster. They win anyway. Forget about Riley or Robinson schemes. Just push them to work harder and demand that they be accountable. Work smarter, not harder is just plain stupid in a competitive world. I do acknowledge that in a world where you can create monopoly or a world of under the table bribery, you must work smarter not harder.

          • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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            Your absolutely right in what you say, and I wouldn’t argue against that. However, what a higher level of talent does do for you is makes the margin of error alot smaller. You could be very successful like Riley was in ’08 and ’09 when you have the fortune of not having costly injuries or attrition. However, when you have years like ’10 and ’11 and you have a high amount of injuries, suspensions, departures then you see the results on that produced on the field. Having the higher level of talent lessens those natural occurrences to the program. You have the depth to overcome the pitfalls that each program will go through, some more damaging than others.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            Well, the two are interdependent. Obviously, you want to recruit the top athletes that fit your system. But if you can’t get them, which Riley often can’t, it seems wiser to modify your system than to stubbornly run it with the wrong kind of players, or to not take strategic advantage of the more exceptional physical talents and abilities you do have.

          • capitalcause says:
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            Wynn is reportedly up to 265 this offseason — the kid probably has still got some height left to see as well…he’s only 18 years old, he doesn’t turn 19 till late june

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