20.May.2012 Players Leaving the Program

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Rivals is confirming a rumor that's been floating around that "several" 3 deep players will be leaving the football program next week. Apparently nobody from the 2 deep, though that isn't confirmed. The reasons for the partings vary from mutual breakups to the coaches' leveling with these guys. A few might be academic casualties as well.

The good:

  • Riley finally acknowledges he lays ostrich sized eggs in recruiting.
  • This frees up scholarships for more talented players.

The bad:

  • The staff wasted time and effort–they should have recognized P-12 talent earlier.
  • The program and university invested resources (money, food, equipment, etc) with no return.
  • Roster just got younger and less experienced, which could provide excuses down the line.

I'm a big believer in trimming fat, but I'd like to see an official list of names before deciding. Some young guys on the three deep were solid prospects who I wouldn't want to see leave (e.g. Trosin, who I fear is one of them).

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  • beaverbeliver says:
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    First!!

  • beaverbeliver says:
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    Someone has to win around here!

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    What’s with the ‘first’ crap? This isn’t a yahoo news story about someone delivering a baby in the Burger King bathroom.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      my, we are cranky today…

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Does the baby come with a large fry? Guess it would be a small fry.

    • issaquahbeav says:
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      I just laughed out loud on that one, bendbeaver. Ha!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Maybe Marable, or is he second string? He seems like an easy one to show the door.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Remember the punter! Ray Guy award.

  • Bill says:
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    Well it’s really simple math, how many guys are on scholarship now and how many guys did we sign? If it’s over 85, then some people have to go.

    • alex says:
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      Well, in years past we’ve just done some copious greyshirting. Less palatable option with a solid recruiting class though…

    • angry angry says:
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      Let’s see how this plays out. I have a hunch it’s going to be different than years past.

  • slamadam says:
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    im reserving judgement until i see who exactly it is, but my gut feeling is that this is going to be a positive development moving forward. i have a feeling this has a lot to do with the quality of young guys that are starting to gather, making others obsolete and no longer needed for anything more than scout team duty and token special teams appearances.

    • karma says:
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      Agree Slam…The young guys are the new leaders and a small group of them have Riley’s ear…they want to hold the non-performers accountable. If you aren’t getting better — or more importantly — helping to get the starters better, there is no place for you on this team. There are more than a couple of non-schollies that deserve those freed up $$.

      This is definitely the sign of a new direction with this team. And yes, it is a positive move forward.

  • osbeavs says:
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    OT, are there continuing data issues with the website? I can load it on my phone but all weekend at work the site wouldn’t load. The only thing that popped up was a justhost.com page. Any ideas?

    • angry angry says:
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      Clear your browser’s cookies/cache and logout/log back in. That will solve it.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Just spent the weekend in Seattle and the Husky faithful are totally jazzed. You would think that they have already won the Rose Bowl!
    Word is that everyone is gaga over Wilcox and the environment that he has created for the defense.
    Supposedly he already has drawn up preliminary schemes for defending every P-12 team and told the defense to “learn them or they don’t play!”. Interesting no-nonsense approach.
    They also believe, and maybe so, that Keith Price is the second best QB in the conference and that the offense will be more explosive even without Chris Polk.
    Makes you wonder how much optimism there is everywhere.

    • numbers says:
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      First up for them is a scrappy san Diego st team. Then a trip to death valley and then Portland st, Stanford, u of o, Arizona… I’m guessing 2-3 heading into the Arizona game and then its find their identity time. I would actually be quite pleased to see anything better than 2-3 by then.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Hmm, wonder if Katz will be starting?

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          I read one story saying it’s undecided with Katz or their other guy, then another story that said Katz had the edge.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            The plan is to have him play the first half of the first game and then not play the rest of the year.
            If they go to Wisconsin, then he gets three more plays.

    • numbers says:
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      Whoops, its actually usc then UofA for uw. But either way, gotta find that identity -ha!

  • Mark Zuckerberg says:
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    You should take this site public! I am valuing it at $2.5 billion.

    • angry angry says:
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      But that’s only a 1,000,000 p/e ratio.
      I think we can do better.

  • BM's friend says:
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    I would say there are about 15-20 players who need off this team.

    but 3 is a start.

  • Fightingbeaver says:
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    My outlook for Pac 12 teams this season:

    Washington should be very strong on both sides of the ball.
    Washington state can’t do anything but improve at this point.
    Arizona is a big question as is Arizona State. Both should improve over last year.
    UCLA still growing.
    USC will show their stuff officially this season. Better than last season since they can go post.
    Stanford is also a wait and see but will be a fairly strong contender.
    California more of the same……like Riley, Tedford doesn’t get it either.
    Utah and Colorado have to make themselves contenders at some point. Questionable this year.
    Oregon…..they know what it is like to be a winner…..and will continue in that venue.
    Oregon State……..with little or no major changes by the Riley dynasty, coach will only have more excuses for all the loses this season. Beavers will get royally beat up. We will become the “punching bag” of the Pac 12.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Cunningham NBA tryouts update. Nothing exciting, but sounds like he’s on the Warriors radar.

    http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2012/05/21/oaklands-jared-cunningham-gets-best-of-cals-jorge-gutierrez-at-warriors-draft-workout/

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Is this the dumbest pack of DB’s in the Riley eras?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/05/oregon_state_football_jordan_p_1.html

    I recognize this is minor, but it’s still a very poor decision.

    • bone says:
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      It might be. Even though this is minor, Poyer should realize that he is a senior, captain and leader of this team. He needs to be better than this.

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        +1

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        He needs to be better than going to a place he thought he could go?

        The common denominator here is the chump working the door.

        • Jack says:
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          Yeah… I don’t know the logistics of this place. And I will probably never have the wont to know from the sound of this place. Calling the cops for an 86 at a bar is pretty low rent stuff.

          • presleydog says:
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            Jack agreed. I don’t see much of the bar scene in Corvallis anymore, but pulling that on our top dfensive player would have been enough to earn a boycott when I went to school there. Of course Pettibone was the coach and if there were hot chick there well then nevermind about the boycott.

    • Jack says:
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      The back story to Poyer’s citation (not arrest):

      So apparently this Impulse place is where Marable and Murphy got in trouble a couple weeks ago. I’m told that it is well known for allowing underage entries. But like any bar that does so, it gets slapped every now and then and goes overboard in policing the door for a while until the heat dies down. So athletes know this and do what most underage kids do. They find the lax bars. But they’re recognizable, and they are the first to be turned away when the heat is on.

      So apparently Poyer tried to get in a couple months ago when he was still underage. He was told at that time to not come back. He thought that meant until he was of age. Nothing was clearly stated about it back then.

      According to someone who talked to someone there (yes… double hearsay), the bouncer who turned him away a couple months ago spotted him in the club and thought he was going to get him again for being a minor in the bar. He called the police then they detained Poyer. There was no fight that anyone saw. So I don’t know where that story came from. When the cops got there, everyone discovered that Poyer was now 21. So the bouncer recalled the last time he was at the front door, and he said he clearly barred Poyer from ever coming back… forever and ever. There was a discussion where the bouncer insisted this was truth, and the cops reluctantly wrote Poyer the equivalent of a parking ticket before they told him to go home.

      Apparently the CPD likes this Impulse place less than just about anything else. There are not a lot of good stories coming out of that place. I think OSU’s teams should probably blacklist the place.

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        That sounds accurate.

        Christ, these kids these days. In my day, we went to the ‘Cock and we liked it! I’m not sure I EVER got carded at that joint. And if there was ever any sort of recognizable athlete on the scene, who on Earth would start throwing them ‘tude? I guess that’s what happens after a 3 win season?

        • Joe_Avezzano says:
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          The ‘Cock? (mists up) Ah, the hella strong cheap well drinks. The hardcore friendly alkies at the bar. The shuffleboard.

          Joe A. is getting all sentimental and shit.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Maybe somebody needs to open up a night club called “Critical Thinking” or “Wisdom” instead of “Impulse.”

      • Jack says:
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        I always figured if I opened up any bars I would call them The Library, Church and Work.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Comeon, you insiders…. who on the 3 deep are flying the coop….or leaving the pond, or whatever maverick marsh rats do….

  • bleedsorange says:
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    http://www.buildbeavernation.com/?pid=289

    Plant your flag and help build the Beaver footprint…

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Not bad. A voluntary, participatory way to identify marketing strategies.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Too bad they don’t have a worldwide version too….

  • Ronix1080 Ronix1080 says:
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    Since things are pretty slow right now I figured I would post a link to the DT out of louisiana that we are supposedly going after. http://www.metarecruiter.com/recruits/23352/Antonio+McGhee.

  • Jack says:
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    You can at least show his tape.

    I see he plays NT and some 3 in a 3-4 D. He looks strong up top. Anyone have his strength numbers? And I like his feet. At his size, I’m surprised he’s playing NT. He must just be the best DL they have. He looks like he could put on another 20-30 pounds and retain his quickness. If he did that, he could easily play anywhere along our front four. Imagine shifting him, Crichton and Wynn all along the front. Here’s to hoping Bennett, Tui and Noa all work to their potential as well. Our D-line could be fierce sooner rather than later if we can just get a gem or two in the middle.

  • Bizbeav says:
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    Hey Guys,

    I almost never post, but I thought this was worth sharing. An old friend of mine who used to work in BASF (Beaver Athletic Scholarship Fund) told me the following: Linda Hurd has recently left the BASF. She was the person responsible for running the annual fund – which are the donations associated with your football season tickets. The new director of the BASF, Shawn Heilbron, who we hired away from UCLA is beginning making things happen. He gave her some options and she left. Apparently she was very old school – from what’s been explained to me she disliked men and favored few, limiting opportunities to take new and up and coming top end donors on trips with the teams, etc. BASF and the Athletic Dept. seem to be making drastic changes, which we desperately need. This should be good news for fund raising for OSU athletics.

    We talk a good amount about contributions to the program and why alums decide to/or not to donate. Changes in the old gaurd or mentality at all levels of athletics and the football program ideally should only help OSU and funding. Of course a winning record always helps too. Anyway, I thought this was worth sharing – GO BEAVS!

    • Beaver Byte says:
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      Sounds like a step in the right direction. OSU can’t afford to be passive about growing its fanbase.

      BDC, Rizzardini Must Spark Imaginations:
      http://beaverbyte.com

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Thanks for the encouraging info!

  • Beaver Patrol says:
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    So there were at least three scholarship players that met with the HC at Spring Ball exit interviews. They were told that their scholarships would not be renewed because the HC didn’t see them getting any playing next year. There are also a few more that will leave to go play at other schools because they felt that they were misled (lied too) during the recruiting and coaching process.

    This may help in the short term, but in the long term it will keep recruits out of Corvallis and the staff will have to deal with some serious integrity issues.

    I have heard that most were on the defensive side, backers and dbacks. Hmmm isn’t that where new coaches come into play. Apparently commitments haven’t been kept. No oversight.

    • brownale9000 says:
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      A) Scholarships are given on a year to year basis. There is no lack of integrity and I doubt this hurts recruiting in the least.

      B) This happens everywhere. The only reason it’s really news HERE is that this is the first time we’re hearing about it.

  • matt b says:
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    If some of the scholarships were pulled simply because the guys were not going to play next year, that is not so good and a bit too corporate. But the story of being misled is not very credible. Every high school athlete is pampered and entitled in our society. When they get to the big time, they feel that they are owed something and cannot accept that they must compete every day. Sometimes guys believe that they are better than the guy ahead in line, and believe that they somehow got screwed. Sometimes it is true. But it happens everwhere in this country in places where you have to compete, be it Ohio State, Whitman College or Oregon State. It happens at the freshman level of your local high school. Some of the guys are just not able to physically and mentally compete at this level. There is no shame in transferring to a place that better meets your needs and where you have a better chance to compete. But being an unhappy backup puts a real drag on the performance of your team and is not sustainable for any program.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      As I recall there were posters on this board who were upset because the coaching staff seemed to favor the upperclassmen even when they weren’t the best player at that position.

      Could be that it wasn’t only the folks on this board who felt that way.

  • SadBeaver says:
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    I could see scholarships being pulled if the guys were not keeping up with workouts, missing stuff, discipline issues, but no way Riley and crew just drop guys because they are not getting playing time. That might happen in some programs, but its much more likely in a program like OSU that they would be cut due to not upholding the clean cut image and not “putting in their time”.

  • brownale9000 says:
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    Rams working on ‘wow’ factor with new punter Hekker

    Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-working-on-the-wow-factor-with-new-punter-hekker/article_0835fb24-ab76-545f-981e-94924363ef40.html#ixzz1vkJKTcaX

    • presleydog says:
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      did they miss the footage of the 12 yard shanks?

      • bone says:
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        The NFL doesn’t use Rugby style punts.

        • matt b says:
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          NFL does use Rugby style punts…but not as often as college. Andy Lee is very good at the technique. Hecker was wildly inconsistent at OSU while Anger was mildly inconsistent at Cal. At their best, they are both NFL caliber punters. It remains to be seen if Hekker can focus and be predictable. Was the problem genetics or environment at OSU? We will soon see if coaching can influence DNA.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Thus resolving the ages old debate of nature vs. nurture. Hekker is about to rock the science world.

          • Jack says:
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            Pluses:
            No games in Wisconsin, Las Vegas or Oregon for the Rams next year.
            Ten games inside a dome.

            Minuses:
            They play in the Windy City in Week 3.

          • Jack says:
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            Oh… and @ Buffalo late in the season.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Beaver luck. With different coaching Shankopopolous becomes a perennial All-Pro and becomes the second punter after Ray Guy to be inducted in Canton.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Statement from Hardin: “I was actually looking forward to it. Even in college I felt I was oversized for corner,” said Hardin, who expects to get his contract with the team ironed out soon. “With my physical size, I’m more suited for safety, so I was open to the change, and it’s been a nice change and so far it’s working out well.”

    Did he just say that Riley made him play in a position that wasn’t right for him?

    http://www.rrstar.com/carousel/x1266609423/Bears-rookie-Brandon-Hardin-sets-off-on-tough-journey

    • matt b says:
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      It has been pretty obvious for a few years that Hardin’s ultimate position would be safety. But he was more valuable to the Beavers as a corner and so that is where he played. And in turn Hardin’s experience at corner made him more valuable as a potential pro safety. It enhanced his draft status and probably earned him more money. But he has not made it yet. He will have to compete with his clone, Chris Conte, a tall PAC 12 corner converted to safety.

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    RE: Bizbeav 11:48 5-23

    Great to hear that the culprit responsible for OSU’s lackluster fund raising was a middle aged clerical person. Now that she is out of the way we should easily catch up with the rest of the PAC-12. I can see a 60,000 seat Reser already!

    Remember how getting rid of the trainer moved the football team to a whole new level?

    Along these lines I’m beginning to think that the 14 year old batboy may be responsible for our so-so baseball season. Would someone please look into that?

    Great reporting Woodward. JB

    PS: BDC must be laughing his ass off. Ha..Ha… “You missed me, you missed me.”

    • angry angry says:
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      Let me know if you want to co-write comedy skits during this slow off season.

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        Gosh… Angry thanks for the offer. Any money in it?

        Writing comedy is a lot harder than it looks. I like it here, the material just presents itself. Plus there are interesting characters within the site. One couldn’t image JackBeav, aka Jack, if he tried. The perfect foil.

        I will admit I pretty much toss this stuff off. Originally I spent a little more time developing a narrative; such as; ” JackBeavs performance memo” and “The Hunt for Scratchy Beaver.” Maybe I’ll do some more once the Riley’s 2012 Comedy Roadshow commences. JB

        PS: NCAA_ Thanks for the tip on Shameless. Loving it. When done I’m going to watch the British version. Their version of “The Office” was much more textured than our cheap knock-off. I’m thinking that might be true for Shameless.

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          You’re welcome, except I’ve never seen Shameless and don’t think I was the one who recommended it to you. Sounds like maybe I’ll need to check it out.

    • Bizbeav says:
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      Glad to help!

      On a side note , I enjoy your posts – so thank you for directing this one at me.

      I believe there are always steps (no matter how small or insignificant they may seem at the time) toward building a better program and/or fund raising for OSU athletics. Mostly thought it was an interesting note and worthy of sharing, however I wouldn’t call it a saving grace for the fund raising through BASF. Either way, Go Beavs.

    • CVO beav says:
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      Bonehead, matches his writing.

  • Jack says:
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    Beisbol!

  • ean says:
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    I heard that Jack Lomax was one of the kids told his scholarship would not be renewed. Kind of short sighted if you ask me considering who his father is and that his younger brother will be more likely to go to UofO now. But it was a wasted scholarship none the less and probably not a bad football move…. the guy just couldn’t add weight.

    • angry angry says:
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      I always liked Lomax…I think he can play despite his frame. At least until he gets injured.

      On a positive note, that means Richie Harrington (best QB on the roster) is one step closer to starting…

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    According to Joe Davidson tweet, Gavin Andrews is down from360 to a “svelte 325!” and is a “Beast”

    Hasiak, Seumalo, Sapulo, Phillip, Andrews?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Who is Joe Davidson? Is Andrews projected at tackle or guard? I’d like to see some mean, aggressive guards opening up the middle.

      • Jack says:
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        Don’t know who Davidson is, but I’ve always been high on Andrews. He has the size to be an OT, but I think he’s a step slow to contain the edge. He is, however, an elite road grader. He can make OG look easy on any level.

      • beaverkman says:
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        He is sports writer for Sac Bee, Maxpreps, ESPN1320.net

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT, but the Lioins should have drafted Paea:

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-05-28/nick-fairley-detroit-lions-arrest-mikel-leshoure-nfl-suspension

    That’s the “fan” in me speaking, not the objective side. I thought Paea next to Suh would have been a great combination (and a look at what “might have been” at OSU), and that Fairley was a high risk punk. I recognize Paea didn’t grade out as that high of a pick, but they could have traded down and got him….

  • Beaver Watch says:
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    The linebackers proved to be a fast group when laser timed in the 40 this week. Michael Doctor shocked all by being the fastest at 4.40 flat; next came DJ Welch at 4.3; and JC Transfer Cade Cowdin had third overall best time at 4.58.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Did you mean 4.43 for Welch?

      Those times don’t surprise me too much, with the exception that Cowdin was that fast. Good speed lets hope they are able to play fast as well.

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