25.Sep.2012 Oregon State @ Arizona

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A lot of fans watched Arizona get blasted by the Ducks, and now that OSU is 2-0, they're thinking this should be an easy win. However, each week is different in this and any league. Talent wise, Arizona is comparable to UCLA. They run a similar offense and have a solid defense (they hung with Oregon much of the first half; the offensive woes hurt the defense). To me, that Duck game was closer than the score.

Point being, Beavs and their fans shouldn't take Arizona for granted.

The QB is mobile, which, while I am slowly becoming a believer in this team being good (not great),  I am still not convinced the Beavs can stop. Hundley ran for 32 yards and a TD. Scott is not as good a passer, but he's a better, faster runner. If I'm Banker, I stack the box and force Scott to pass, then put a spy on him. Haven't been impressed with Banker's schemes, even though the media is gushing about him (I keep saying this, but I see more Bray influence in the LB corp mentality than Banker influence in the schemes).

Conditioning is always an issue in Arizona. So our lack of depth could be a factor.

And…Vegas likes AZ despite what happened last week. The line is AZ -3 (which I think is fair—last week's was a bad line).

As good as things are right now, the Beavs will not go undefeated, and they'll probably lose games we feel they should win. This is because each week is a reset. One team is high, while the other is hungry. Matchups and mismatches are different. Etc.

To me, the key to this game is the Beavs wanting greatness…not being complacent with the 2-0 start. When a team exceeds expectations, there is a tendency to think there's room for error, leeway, that a loss isn't the end of the world. Great teams overcome the temptation to slack. In that regard, I think this is a test.  I'm not going to pick any games because I frankly don't know how good the Beavs are at this point, but I do think the line is fair and accurate and a good starting point. I'd probably take the Beavs +3 and buy one point to be safe, as there is every reason to believe this will be another close game. If the Beavs want to make a national statement, come out hungry and blow AZ out. You'd see a huge move in the polls, as some have the Beavs #1 right now since they have the most difficult SOS.

One last thing: I have seen leadership emerge. Wynn, Cooks, Mannion, and coach Bray all stand out as natural born leaders. These guys are all business and have the personalities to make everyone around them more intense. It's refreshing.

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  • whatever says:
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    “Haven’t been impressed with Banker’s schemes”

    Haven’t watched any games?

    • angry angry says:
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      No I watched the games; thus the observation.

      • bleedsorange says:
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        Yea cause the players just decided to run DIME packages on their own, and switch up the Nickel package by moving the #1 corner to the slot, and on passing downs the DEs don’t let DTs on the field so Crichton and Wynn can play DT…Banker didn’t have a hand in any of that -__-

        • BeavInEugene says:
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          To add to that, while I am very pleased with Bray and how the LBs have played. I can’t help but think that Rod Perry as the DB coach didn’t have a little bit of say of putting more DBs on the field. Not Trent Bray!

          Angry won’t give credit where credit is due there because he felt that letting KH go to UW was a huge mistake. And while it may…or may not affect recruiting, through two games I’ve seen our DBs play faster, hit harder, and actually turn and look for the damn ball.

          The only way to counter the spread is with speed. We don’t have the huge SEC front with speed, but putting 5-6 DBs on the field along with our fast LBs might be the D we’ve been looking for the last few years!

  • OStateBro says:
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    Fair point on Banker by Angry. What stands out with the defense this year is aggressiveness and intensity. The scheme has been fine. Really can’t give Banker much extra cred for the Wisconsin game because scheming against pro-style offenses has always been his bread and butter. The scheme against UCLA was better than usual against spread offenses, but how much credit can you give him after reading that his big revelation this year was installing a dime package (and I’m still incredulous that he got praise in the press for this…IT’S A DIME PACKAGE! You mean it’s a good idea to replace a slow LB with a quick DB against a spread offense…you don’t say….really!)

    A lot has been written about the cohesiveness and camaraderie of this year’s team and it’s extremely apparent on the field. I think it’s developed in part because the team is young and has bonded from being thrown into the fire early and in part because of the embarrassment of last year. Adding Bray, Perry, Brennan and Brasfield to the staff has helped to, I’d wager.

    AND, let’s give credit where credit is due….play calling has been much much better through 2 games this season. Riley is definitely a better play caller than Danny, call a draw on 3rd and 9, Langsdorf.

    • hellobeavers says:
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      Banker gets credit for the defense because he is the defensive coordinator. You can’t blame him when things go bad if you aren’t going to give him credit when things go well. Bray does what Banker tells him to do. Banker played a large role in Bray’s development as a player and now as a coach.

      You guys have a short memory. This isn’t the first time Banker has had a good defense. The LBs are playing well, as is the line and the secondary. Banker oversees all of this. He deserves a significant amount of the credit and I’m sure he will give a significant amount of credit to his staff.

      • wannabeav says:
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        hb makes a good point here. Banker has guided other top notch D’s in recent memory; whereas Langsdorf’s contributions are, at a minimum, debatable.

  • Bill says:
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    Matt Scott has a hip injury which may limit his mobility. He hurt it in the first quarter vs UO and AZ decided to play it safe and not have him run as much. Not sure what his status is this week but it does not sound as if he will be 100% this Sat.

    http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildcatreport/2012/09/25/the-hip-thing-arizona-qb-matt-scott-tries-to-move-after-getting-banged-up/

  • bone says:
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    I think this team is going to be a lot more focused and hungry through the season. You can hear it in all of the interviews from Jordan Poyer “The sky is the limit for us”. I think that saying is going to be a theme used by this team.

    I haven’t seen or heard of this very much, but I wonder how much on an influence Coach Perry has had on the game plan. This defense does look different from some of our better defense in years past.

    • angry angry says:
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      And it’s all the same players, which means Banker should not get credit.

      • bone says:
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        that’s the weirdest thing, that they are all the same player. You would hope that there is a natural growth from players from year to year but this much of a growth? when has something like this happened?

        Also a difference from this season to last season is Banker isn’t also a position coach, he can work more on schemes. I also ran into Rusty Fernanado last spring and he said the biggest difference between last year and the team in the spring is the “players know their stuff”.

        • Timber2002 says:
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          I agree with experience but also this year the guys are healthy. The 3 seniors last year were Lance Mitchell, Cameron Collins, and Kevin Frahm, and none of those guys were healthy in any game. Plus take Castro, last year he wasn’t in shape and was in trouble with the law, this year he is mature and focused. I also credit senior leadership from Poyer and Reynolds and also great leadership from Feti and Andrew Seumalo. All the seniors have stepped up and are taking this season seriously.

      • oneoldbeav says:
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        Seems to me the fact that it is pretty much the same players argues for giving Banker some credit. The natural progression from one season to the next may be an answer but not really to this degree. I mean, from nearly last in rush D and 3rd downs allowed to nearly first? I agree with Bone, Banker has more time to plan and can focus on the entire D more than last year. His use of a 3 man front has been worthwhile and he does seem to work to get the best players on the field.

        One key to the attitude of this squad is that so many players know they have a role to play in each game….gives them a sense of ownership. That’s on the coaches.

        Depth is the achilles heal of course.

        How ’bout that Castro! What a pleasant surprise!

        • HopefulBeav says:
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          Castro has definitely been one of the biggest surprises! We read reports from beat writers about how improved he looked during the off season but I was still very skeptical. Very happy to see it’s transferring over to game days.

      • hellobeavers says:
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        He’s the defensive coordinator. Clearly he gets credit.

        I thought this blog was not supportive of Perry? Riley should have been fired for letting that other guy go to Washington and be replaced by an NFL quality coach.

        • Jack says:
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          When was this blog not supportive of Perry? Maybe there was a little when it was first rumored because of the perceived gap in recruiting abilities from Hayward to someone who hasn’t had to do it in decades. But that was during the speculation period when we ran through the pros and cons of everyone we could possibly think of to fill that role.

          Once it became apparent that Perry was hired, the sentiment had pretty much swung to favor Perry with a hope that his recruiting deficiencies would more than be made up by the much better play (that we expected) in the DB’s.

          And with Justin Strong committing to OSU after the UCLA game because the tipping point is the physical play displayed by OSU DB’s, I think we’re seeing precisely that.

          As an added bonus, Perry came out after the UCLA game and noted that HE was reponsible for not putting the DB’s in the right spots to be as successful as he (and we) wants them to be. That’s precisely what a professional coach (professional as in being professional in his job) should do.

          I can’t wait to see what ballers like Hasty and Noland do with his instruction… and then SOlomon and Strong right behind them.

          • wannabeav says:
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            I think Jack has recapped this well. There’s no denying that there was a LOT of grousing in this blog when Hayward left, but mostly as a function of his reputed recruiting ability, and them compounded by that one recruit who followed him to Montlake. Once Perry was on board I think people were hopeful that his more extensive experience would result in an upgrade in play. That confidence would seem to have been rewarded.

          • hellobeavers says:
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            That’s not how I remember it regarding Perry and a quick search for his name may remind you of the general feeling towards him. He was thought to be too old and I’m pretty sure this is the first situation where Angry brought up the issue of Nepotism.

            “The Oregon media is once again spinning Riley’s nepotism as a good thing. Riley hires his buddy Rod Perry, and now Perry has two of his kids running around practice. This is a good thing why? I can think of many reasons why it’s not good, the most obvious being that work and family are two different things.”

            “When Rod Perry was hired, my fear was his ability to recruit. People said to give him time. Okay, but he is getting older if I do that, and I’m not sure his personality was ever dynamic enough to relate to players in the first place. So now I’m asking: where are the results? Bottom line: he’s being paid more than Heyward so he needs to produce more. Beavs have the worst recruiting class in the country right now.”

            “Digging a little deeper, I suppose the hire is more negative than positive.

            •Perry is old
            •He has no track record recruiting
            •Colts secondary was never very good
            •Another guy from Riley’s good ol’ boy network
            •Seems to have a passive, laid back personality”

            Those are just bits from posts. There were a lot of comments that agreed but to be fair there were plenty of comments giving him the benefit of the doubt that he could coach…which isn’t exactly going out on a limb because he did coach in the NFL.

          • angry angry says:
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            I was not high on Perry because he is old and can’t recruit. Those things are still true, but those who said he is a good coach appear to be right, because DBs are looking back for the ball and playing more aggressive (though safties are getting torched, so who knows yet).

      • Beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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        Or maybe, angry the players have, GASP!, developed over the past year. Youre stubborn to a fault sometimes…

      • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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        Mostly the same young players that Banker said didn’t know the schemes very well last year. You can probably ding Banker that they didn’t or you can say we were so young last year that it was growing pains. I’m not going to knock Banker though, based on what I’ve seen this year everything is above expectations and I wish the coaching staff great success.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        If you look at it as mainly the same players, and we looked like shit last year…..well, imo, thats on the coaches. The players last year didnt know their stuff? Who the hell is responsible for that?? Yep….the coaches.

        My view is that push came to shove, and pressure was applied, and the coaches have got off curise control and are applying themselves.

        That said, huge kudos to them for our current success and status, whatever the reason for last years letdown..

        GO BEAVS!!!!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I’m not a big fan of Banker either, but I think this admittedly shallow team has enough talent and focus in its starters to outplay an Az team I think may have some doubts about itself.

    The OSU run blocking and yardage production still needs to improve, and I think it will as the season progresses. The QB and receivers are solid, the TE’s could play a bigger role(?), so hopefully the offense will continue to diversify and increase production in rushing yards and the red zone.

    The DTs are a very pleasant and substantial surprise. The DE’s are predictably great (based on last season). Many of us saw Welch as an up and comer. The starting CB’s are solid, the safeties promising if maybe getting caught overplaying the run.

    But I think the reason they win is their ability to stay focused. I can’t see Chricton or Wynn worrying about the press clippings. Nor Cooks or Mannion. And I don’t think they underestimate AZ. Fans may be thinking the game is going to be easy, I don’t think the staff or team does.

    I also like that its an evening game. For the first time this seaon, OSU gets to play consecutive saturdays, but they get a later start, should be wide awake, and I think they’ll be primed and focused. Doesn’t mean AZ can’t put up some yards or points – this is NCAA football – but I think the Beavs win and the margin of victory doesn’t really matter, it’s the continued confidence building that comes from winning. UO and AZ have had some great shootouts in recent years, it didn’t detract from UO’s victory.

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      I think the late start will alleviate any cramping issues like they had at pasadena

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        I hear Midol also helps.

      • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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        I was at the game last Saturday. Hot and humid, 90 +, and there was cramping going on for sure. AZ should be less humid but probably still warm even at night. But hopefully thanks to last Saturday they will be a little more acclimated.

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          Forecast and recent patterns have the temp at 85 at kick-off and dropping to 75 over the course of the game.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Never have been a Banker fan but he did make a good decision and put Doctor as a QB spy. Hundley had 32 yards rushing, but one was a 25 yard run. So, his other 9 carries he gained a grand total of 7 yards. Only 2 sacks so he even when he wasn’t getting sacked he had nowhere to run. Banker should get credit for actually making an adjustment we’ve wanted to see for years. Because of that I have some hope the Beavers can have more success against running QB’s.

    Arizona may have success with Scott running on QB read plays, but other than that I don’t think they’ll have too much success. Think Scott is going to have to beat the Beavers throwing the ball from the pocket and I don’t think he’s good enough to do that. If Scott has a good amount of 3rd and longs and he has to be accurate vertically down the field, I just have a hard time seeing him do it. Basically will be the same gameplan they had vs UCLA. Take away the runs and short passes and make the QB beat you throwing the ball downfield. I think this will result in another Beavers win.

  • Timber2002 says:
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    I thought it was a great defensive game plan too. Don’t need to stack the box vs spread teams. Just rush 3, keep a spy on the QB and protect the sidelines. UCLA had been living off of sideline swing passes their first 3 games and we stuffed those out. Arizona loves short out routes so if we play the same scheme we’ll be all over those, maybe even jump one and get a pick 6. I haven’t seen Matt Scott go over the top like hundley did, maybe he can, but I don’t remember seeing him go deep this yr.

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      The down lineman getting penetration in to the backfield is important, but once they do, they need to STOP and react to the ball carrier and read the option mesh. If they guess, it opens up running alleys. They really should treat each play as if it is a mini punt return and stay in their alleys. Grab ahold and wait for the cavalry to lay the ball carrier down.

      • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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        They did a great job of that at UCLA which I believe caused a low yield of sacks. But I didn’t see them running past the QB like last year. Discipline.

        • wannabeav says:
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          indeed. The third down conversion rate by opposing QB’s running for a first down the last two years has been astronomical. More than any other play sequence, it was that failure that kept our D out on the field for those interminably long drives of the oppostion. There’s reason to think those days are past. It could be that we’ve traded that capability for the occasional sack, however.

  • Timber2002 says:
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    I believe at least 2 of the Arizona picks vs the quack attack, one by Scott and one by their backup were when the QB threw to the sideline while the WR had turned and gone upfield. The db was standing all alone for the easy pick. They must have some kind of read on their sideline out route and the read isn’t working out too well so far.

  • Jack says:
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    Well now, CFB Matrix seems to think this is a lock.
    https://twitter.com/cfbmatrix/status/250824821104058368

    What he’s talking about is the program he runs in March which makes picks for this year’s games. 75% is a ridiculous number.
    http://cfbmatrix.com/week-5-predictions-pac12/

    • JD says:
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      Interesting site. Lets hope his predictions are correct for this week.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      He picked Washington over Stanford?

      • Jack says:
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        Has to drop his percentage enough to meet that 75% threshold. Maybe this game is the one of five that does that?

        Seriously though, these picks were run through his parameters last March. So his computer was accounting for the loss of Luck and the O-linemen for more than they seem to really be affecting this year’s team.

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          For the March predictions it is all about 3 numbers. Luck or experience loss is not a factor. Matrix is the base D or wide angle look to start the season. Everyone else fills in their own details. The Husky game is really on the edge as Stanford clearly has better talent and coaching. The talent is balanced by home field (barely). I should have really picked Stanford (considering model change after back testing) but I stick to the March picks.

          As for the Beavs, I didnt hear too many folks on 1080 of 750 like myself talking up the 2012 season, how the odds were in Beavs favor of 6+ wins and Riley is still the best thing for the program. FWIW here is the Beavs 2012 profile written in March too… http://cfbmatrix.com/portfolio/oregon-state/gallery/pac-12/

          • Jack says:
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            Cool! Thanks!

            Fwiw… even the critical sample taken here before the season would put prognostications on a Bell curve from 4 to 8 wins. So I think yours falls into our sentiments fairly well.

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            Dave, appreciate you coming in here! I look forward to more insights, despite you being a supporter of the team that shall remain unnamed.
            You do a good job of being objective while still being a fan.

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            It’s OK JB. I am a Duck… season ticket holder for that matter. But having done the Matrix for a near decade and on over 20 shows nationwide each week, I can put on the ‘other ‘ hat. U know I called 6-7 wins including the Badger beating (winning is winning) this year. I’ll come back anytime and accept all invitations to participate in forums. Especially when folks have questions about anything on the CBFMatrix site.

            I do have a green and gold CFBMatrix shirt. Think I need to put out a burnt orange and black one -Bartoo

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Hey, a respectable Beaver team is better for the Ducks than a pitiful one. You dont gain respect by beating up little brother…

            Wait…..I didnt say that…

            Damn….

            Well, here is hoping the CW is very competitive (…and we win!)

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Very cool. Nice site, rational comments.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Agree with the above sentiments.

  • Jack says:
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    Oh that wacky Wilner!

    “Beavers have won five in a row in Tucson. Best bet for winning No. 6: Let Arizona start every possession in the red zone.”
    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2012/09/26/pac-12-football-power-ratings-oregon-state-beats-ucla-eats-well-heads-back-on-the-road/

  • angry angry says:
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    Banker is a horrible DC. Sorry.

    He taught players not to look for the ball, has no idea how to defend a spread, just realized that a nickle package might be a good idea, etc. There is a reason he keeps getting turned down for other coaching jobs.

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      That is my biggest knock on Banker is that he was so slow in getting the players and schemes needed to defend the spread. And db technique that usually comes from the position coach. Heyward was a good recruiter, but was not a good coach.

      • Beavsbeavsbeavs says:
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        In case you havent noticed angry, the spread offense is becoming all the rage in college football because very few people know how to defend the spread. Oregon puts up 40+ per game against just about everyone. And the teams that stop them are the teams with elite athletes that Oregon State cant recruit (i.e. USC, LSU, Auburn, tOSU) with the exception being Boise St. Also, the db problem was a heyward problem. Perry comes in and teaches them to turn their heads and now everythings fine. Chalk up this recent run of good defense to just having good players if you wish, but somebody has to recruit these guys, coach them, and put them in the right places and that someone, sorry angry, isn’t just Trent Bray….

    • hellobeavers says:
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      So Banker taught the guys to not look for the ball and not the DB coach. Meanwhile, the LB coach gets all the credit in that department and Banker does nothing..except mess shit up I suppose. Man, you know a lot about the inner workings of this football team.

      He did not just determine that the Dime package would be a good way to defend the spread. The interview I read was pretty clear in that they couldn’t implement it and be effective with the Dime because they didn’t have the athletes.

      Banker is not a horrible DC:

      Banker had only three starters return to his defense in 2009, yet he molded the team to make yet another run at the conference title finishing second. 3rd in PAC 10 in Rush Defense

      In 2008, Banker’s defense ranked second in the Pac-10, allowing 312.2 yards per game.
      That year, Butler (Dallas), defensive end Slade Norris (Oakland), Keenan Lewis (Pittsburgh) Al Afalava (Chicago) and Brandon Hughes (San Diego) were all selected in the NFL Draft.

      In 2007, the defense was first against the rush (70.6 yards), fourth for quarterback sacks (3.4 per game), sixth for tackles-for-loss (8.2) and eighth for total defense (306.2).

      His 2006 team led the Pac-10 and finished third for quarterback sacks, was the conference leader for red-zone defense and led the nation for tackles-for-loss yardage (528).

      His 2004 unit led the Pac-10 Conference for pass efficiency defense (100.9/8th in NCAA) and ranked second for passing yards allowed (196.0), total defense (313.3), third down conversion defense (29.4%) and red zone defense (71.7%). This coming after the 2003 team posted similar numbers and rankings.

      As the coordinator, the Chargers ranked 11th in the league for total defense and first for rush defense average.

      Truly awful. Who wants a guy like that on their coaching staff?

      http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/banker_mark00.html

    • mckalk says:
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      I’m going to wait until the end of the season to decide whether Banker has undergone a “renaissance”. Two games is a pretty small data base.

  • Fightingbeaver says:
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    I believe a big factor is going to be half time defense adjustment and Banker is not known for being good at this. I don’t believe Arizona will settle for NO points in the red zone Saturday. They will do everything possible to score at home. Can our red zone defense put up what Oregon did against Arizona? This might be a good test of this part of our defense.

    Play calling and being aggressive on offense will also be a key to beating Arizona at home. Riley can not let up or get conservative. We have to start taking the game to its conclusion and stacking up more points. This will give the Beavs confidence against teams like Stanford, Arizona State and Oregon.

  • Jack says:
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    OT… this article completely misses the most important item. What set-up was the angler using?
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Human-finger-in-Idaho-trout-belongs-to-wakeboarder-3893420.php

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      Haha, that’s awesome.

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      Another important question from the article, “He still has half of his index and pointer fingers on that hand.”
      So, if he didn’t point with his index then which did he use? Proly depended on situation.

      Cue Beavergopher

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    I think some of the success has been the different schemes we have shown. Now as teams get more and more film on us, they will counter with ways to attack those sets. What Riley/Banker have shown is a stubbornness to not change their ways, so will they change their schemes to fit the current opponent? or will there be second half adjustments or is it all on the players to execute?

    Having said that I truly believe that the players with a season under their belt are feeling more confident with what they are seeing out there on the field. They are playing with a faster precision and confident in what they are seeing on the field, that growth has been the number factor in there success this year. Can they keep up that performance, and how well do they handle adversity will be questions answered throughout the season. The team looks very confident right now, and that is exciting.

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    I think it is a chicken and the egg thing. You can’t have too many different looks on D if your players can’t get down the base sets. Then again how are the players supposed to play effectively out of the base sets if the opposing offense knows what the D is up to?

    Really a lot of this comes down to the unbalanced recruiting classes. We are not a reload every year powerhouse. I like that we have a huge sophomore and junior class but the drawback is there will be cycles every 4 to 5 years were we go from young and inexperienced to experienced. I like the unbalanced approach but am hoping in the future the peaks will be BCS and the valleys will be at least .500 seasons.

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      I agree. The argument over Bankers quality is off the mark. You can be a coaching genius but you have to have players to execute your genius. If you cant get them, then overall you dont look good as a coach. In essence, you are not very good at your job, which bottom line, is to win.

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        You don’t need great players to scheme properly, use a nickle defense, tell DBs to turn and look for the ball, put a spy on mobile QBs, blitz with anyone but the front four, etc.

        A few wins makes people overlook basic and fundamental flaws. The guy is an egg head. He happens to have an intense assistant right now and players like Wynn, Welch, Poyer, Scott C etc who are taking it upon themselves to be great. Also, I think it’s clear Perry told DBs to turn their GD heads and look to make a play.

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    It also may be a good thing that Banker is getting all this attention over Brey. Trent is someone we do not want to lose to another team. We know he is legit, don’t want other teams because this guy is primed for a defensive coordinator position.

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    Jim Rome gave Riley lots of love on the show this morning. I’m sure someone can find a link. It was actually one of Riley’s better interviews. His energy level is definitely up, though two wins out of the gate will do that for you.

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    I haven’t seen either game (been camping) but have read stories and stats. Can anyone tell me what offensive linemean have played to date and what the observations are? How about te and fullback run blocking/pass blocking so far?

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    I read Banker was getting after people in practice for not going hard enough. Sounds like they’re pretty far from complacent right now; guys like Poyer and Cooks are driving the team every day.

    Gotta agree with everyone else here; just from a basic logic standpoint, it’s hard to blame Banker for bad defenses, and then give him no credit for good defenses.

    And replacing Hayward with Perry has been awesome so far. Maybe the old white guy isn’t as good a recruiter, but you know what helps recruiting even more? Winning, which Hayward sucked at because he doesn’t know how GOOD corners work.

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    Colin Kelly OT – been inconsistent, good at pass blocking, have seen him get defeated on run block and TE’s have been on his side to give him help.
    Enger OG – Pretty solid, again struggles with run blocking, has had a majority of the offensive penalties.
    Seumalo C – Inconsistent. At times he has shown ability, but still learning the position. Snaps week 1 were off, much much better week 2. Has missed assignments, when and how long to stay on blocks, missed blitzs, has had quite a few penalties. Weakiest of the group, but in the most demanding position.
    Andrews OG – pretty solid, not great not bad. Seems to do his job, you don’t notice alot of him, does not get downfield real well, but a very good pass blocker stays balance.
    Phillipp OT – Been pretty solid, he has been blown up on a few running plays, he shows good quickness, I think he is in good shape, but he still doesn’t look totally 100%.

    I have not seen anybody else play, overall the line has been solid, but they have used alot of max protect with the TE’s, and using them on smash runs and fly sweeps. I think that the two guards are the best one-on-one players and the other three usually need help. It should be noted that both RB’s have been excellent in their pass blocking.

    TE’s I have seen Smith, Hamlett, Perry, and Prince. I don’t think Smith traveled to Ucla. He has limited action. I have seen all the tight ends struggle with the fast linebacker or DE that crashes down the line. They are much better at containing the edge when they use a dual TE side.

    Anderson and York have played at FB, each have seen about they same amount of action, with Anderson having more impact on running the ball. He had a short yardage run for 1st down in ucla and a great block on Woods TD run. I think they have been very solid.

    The run blocking has gotten better, and much like a lot of units they have gotten better as they run the ball more in the second half. Of course, they have not trailed this year so they have used the pass to set up the run and since they have the lead in 2nd half focused more on moving the ball on the ground. So, it will be interesting to see if they fall behind how will they attack the defense, and how successful the run will be?

    Against Ucla, they were one broken tackle away from some really big gains. Because they use the two TE sets they have a helmet on helmet and spread the defense out. Thus, the second level is right up on the line, or one safety has been back, and they will run or pass to the opposite side of the marker he lines up on. We almost broke a couple of big plays that way.

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      Great information. Thanks.

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      They could really use a jc lineman to sub in for pass protect in order to free up one or both tight ends. Hopefully the new kid from Fresno will fill that role next year or will start. Even with all of the freshman recruits on offensive line, they will still be green next year if they do not get playing time…and as close as the scores have been, they cannot afford to experiment. In looking at stats, it appears that Skotte is seeing some time on kicking teams. Any other freshman or redshirts seeing time?

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        Youngsters seeing time:
        G.Andrews, Ashton, Balfour, Clute, Johnson, Marable, Mullaney… and obviously Anderson and Ward.

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    Here are the keys to the game,

    1. Win the turnover battle. Need to make AZ pay for their mistakes.
    2. Again, establish the run. A lot of work is still needed here. the play action fakes are getting less and less respect.
    3. Score TDs in the redzone. Must have better redzone plays. Use the TEs more.
    4. Continue to win 1st and 2nd down.
    5. Bend but don’t break defense. AZ will get their yards. Just need to hold them when it really counts.

    AZ is going to come out firing. They are at home, at night, the crowd will be into it. They are the underdogs in this game. The 335 stack D they run is going to give the offense fits at times, the beavs will need to take charge at the beginning to try to knock out any optimism the AZ D has. Otherwise expect the game to come down to the wire.

  • angry angry says:
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    Guys, it’s not just me. Kyle Wittingham basically laughed and shook his head at Banker’s scheme vs Utah. Broadcasters have questioned it, etc. There is a reason he keeps interviewing for jobs and doesn’t get them. Take off your blinders.

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      The issue people seem to be taking with your argument is the insistence on bestowing sole credit on Bray, and ignoring Perry’s (a hiring you hated) impact.

      Also, on the leadership note, don’t leave out the Seniors – Wheaton and Poyer. Players credit them, we should too.

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      Any quote can be taken out of context and any coach can make mistakes. I can recall the bonehead move by Wittingham against USU at the end of the game and the BYU fiasco where he escaped not by coaching genius but by pure luck. Based on that small sample, Gary Anderson is a PAC-12 level coach and Wittingham/Mendenhall not so much. But oh by the way, Gary Anderson failed at Southern Utah. Banker didn’t coach well last year, no surprise. Let’s give him a few more games before applying the scarlet letter or organizing the lynching. Is it not possible in your mind for a man to redeem himself? If you had evaluated BB of the Patriots during his years as head man at Cleveland, he would have been buried long ago. PS, You must also think that Abe Lincoln was a loser too.

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        Okay you guys are right. Banker is a genius. Just remember you defended him and come back to apologize.

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          I don’t think that banker falls in the genius end of the spectrum at all, nor the terrible end. He is an above average coridinator and with the help of his current defensive staff and players are making him look very good.

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          IMO – Banker deserves credit for how the D has played this year as much as he’s deserved credit for how poorly the defense has played the last couple years.

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          Does Riley take a part in the D scheming? Its hard for me to see the same coach with the same players do so differently one year to the next.

          On offense Langsdorf was doing the play calling. Riley took over. Any chance he has exerted himself with the defense?

          I do agree that there needs to be credit given for the good D coaching this year, but am having trouble believing its even the same person, last year to now.

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            I agree. In fact I struggle to think of logical solutions as to why schemes were so bad last year. The only one I keep coming back to, was that the staff determined last year would be a failure and took the games as training only the base scheme for this year, hence the smiles and laughs on the sideline. I’m ok with that even though it may be frowned upon by others. Otherwise I cannot comprehend last years struggles. Either it’s new coaches or awakening from the hot seat. What ever it is, I’m very satisfied with the current trend, and worry about holes developing from smart coordinators in PAC watching game film.

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            Could it be as straightforward as what the staff said last year; that the skill level of the players just wasn’t at a point where multiple schemes were likely to be executed correctly?

            Could it also be that the core work ethic and team spirit wasn’t there, for whatever reason? I keep remembering the comment that last season the DL and DB’s didn’t talk much to each other in games, I hear comments now that the players hang together even away from the field.

            Sure, the coaches are responsible for skill level and team spirit to a large extent both through their recruiting and their example. Then again, none of this really explains the scheme used against Utah.

            As in many things, the true answer probably lies some where between the extremes. For me a very major factor is Riley’s 180 degree change in the areas of focus, intensity, and passion. He and the team will need every bit of focus possible to be successful in the coming games as adversity strikes and opponents are better prepared for a Beavs team which is beginning to gain respect.

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          Obviously the coaching staff failed miserably in 2010 and 2011, which mainly should be attributed (as you pointed out on multiple occasions leading up to it) to failing recruiting 07, 08, 09′. It’s still too early too say this is an elite defense with the small sample size.

          Not agreeing or disagreeing, just playing devil’s advocate. I started reading your blog I think in 08′-09′ at the old site. How in your opinion, was Banker able to produce a couple of top 10 defenses in the mid 2000’s? Is your main claim that he is a mediocre coach who develops bad schemes? Or just a stubborn coach who won’t change schemes to suit his talent level?

          Personal opinion, Banker is a good coach. As is Riley. Both are prideful. Langs is a good QB coach, but was given OC light years before he was ready (and may never be one for that matter.) They got complacent with recruiting and hyper focused on coaching for a couple of years. They preformed better then they should have with the talent on hand (08′ and 09′) and left themselves with a bare cupboard. They were also emotionally defeated after the big losses at the end of the season. They’ve since re-dedicated themselves to the big picture, and have brought on younger more outwardly passionate coaches to handle the positional duties (Perry’s the only exception.)

          Now, I still think as good as they may or may not be this year, 2013 and 14′ are peak years for this team. I think success this year will help the recruits that typically jump; stick on signing day, How good do you need to sell your program to get people to come to a small/un-eventful town with a 3-9 football team?

          For now, it looks like they have things going in the right direction. A few more good wins and some of those fringe recruits will start to commit (the UCLA game has already started this.) Maybe these guys will surprise you. I certainly enjoy the idea of winning while doing things the right way. It’s hard to point to examples of this much anymore in sports or life. Try and enjoy the good times. Try to stop being so darn “angry” all the time.

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            How in your opinion, was Banker able to produce a couple of top 10 defenses in the mid 2000?s?

            My opinion: the conference was down those years, and the talent was good (quite a few NFL players). In big games, and with the RB on the line, Banker failed. I simply cannot forgive (1) not looking back for the ball (2) not instilling a nickle package/5-2 vs spread teams, something we begged for over and over on this site (3) not using a QB spy (4) never blitzing with anyone by the 4 down linemen (5) same defensive alignment no matter the opponent.

            These are the reasons I think Banker is awful. If the D stats are good, it’s because the players are good enough to overcome these Banker faults. It just makes me wonder how good they could be under a modern/creative coordinator.

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    Key is going to be preventing the big plays. That is where things have broken down for us the last two games. I have confidence we will get it done against this less then stout Arizona defense. If we can just get seals on the line we will break a few runs for touchdowns.We also have a history of playing well in Tuscon, so I expect there is some ritual to the visit there that just works for this team. I am feeling good about a win on Saturday. If we break out to the early lead, I think the odds double or triple for us as Arizona’s confidence will be 0.

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    Mannion still sore from last week. Do we see some Vaz this week and how does that turn out?

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      I think we see Vaz – in practice.

      Its a little troubling Mannion is sore – he hopefully won’t continue to throw this many times, but will instead get throw less but have the deep ball as part of it.

      I hope the O line is taking it upon themselves to really turn the running backs loose – there were some almost “breakaway” runs last week as pointed out, so the run game should continue to improve. Earn the the “Storm Front” nickname and start making the “Storm Forecast” a weekly, fun pre-game experience.

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    This thread may inspire me to make an installment of “eating crow with Angrybeavs”. A little dickish, yes, but warranted.

    • Jack says:
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      Isn’t that about a 50/50 opportunity for every topic here?

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      I hope you dont mean that we take back our previous opinions regarding the terrible coaching job last year, and the need to replace Riley. I take back nothing I said. Riley etal have saved themselves by getting back on the job this year. They relapse and its firing talk again.

      Damn Jekyl and Hyde….

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        Not really opinions about coaches, but predictions about how the team, and individual players, will do that were made over the summer.

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    The one thing I’m EXTREMELY surprised by is no one’s talking about the rain that was at the UO vs AZ game! It was wet during that game and as any fan knows, Arizona schools do not play well in the rain! That’s why Arizona struggled on offense all game long. You have to look back at other games this season to know how they play in nice weather.

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    isn’t it supposed to rain in tuscon this weekend?

  • matt b says:
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    2012 Defense evaluation needs context. 2011 no David P at middle backer (perhaps best performer from year before and no I did not forget Steven P), no B Hardin, .5 Castro, .5 Collins.
    .5 Mitchell, .75 Frahm, .5 Martin, .5 Feti, .25 Offense clock management, .5 Banker, .0 depth. Shake this all up and you get the performance of 2011. Revaluate 2012 defense in about 3-4 weeks when the injury bug hits and depth is tested. Right now it’s apples and oranges. But do blame Banker for letting recruiting slide and letting commits slip away.

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    https://twitter.com/Coach_Riley/status/251165541358768128

    Anyone know who?

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      CB Walter Jones.

      Beat out Utah and WSU for him.

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      Walter Jones, CB, Redlands CA. (Huffman on twitter)

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        Maybe it’s just me, but I didn’t see anything special from him; he looks solid, but we don’t really need “Solid” when we have a sick young group of receivers already.

        Unless we’re 100% converting him to CB or Safety, in which case, hell yes.

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          I agree with the CB/S projection. But the kid has mad athletic skills as well. So being a burner at WR isn’t out of the question. He’s faster at his age than Wheaton was, and he could be a track champion if he concentrates on it in the spring.
          10.72 100m
          21.57 200m
          24’5.5″ long jump (third in CIF meet with 23’9.5″, but that 24’5.5″ was 12th best in the nation last year… and with a headwind)
          47’2″ triple jump (seventh in CIF meet)

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    Anyone besides me think Banker is a Jack Nickleson look a like? http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/09/osu_defensive_coordinator_mark.html

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    arizona might beat us, but i feel like they’re going to have to throw the ball 50 times or so to do it, because they’re running game looked non existent against the ducks. (i’ll admit to only seeing bits and pieces of their other games.) i’m less worried about that because of rod perry’s presence and the fact that we’ve seen them use more nickel and dime packages in the first two games. if the running game improves and mannion throws for another 300, i would think the defense would be able to make enough plays (based on the first two games) to win the game. the thing that concerns me though is that this time they’ve only got one week to prepare instead of two.

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    I just don’t know what the Beavs coaches are thinking with recruiting these past few years.

    There is no way someone named Chris Brown can ever be a great RB in the NCAA. And someone tell me how someone named Walter Jones is expected to be a great football player in the Pacific NW?

    What’s next?

    Are they going to go out and find ST players named Tasker or Guy?

    Jones’ team played and beat a Summit team a few weeks back with a D-lineman named Stubblefield. There have to be more.

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      So with Strong and now Jones commits this week, where does that leave us off now for recruiting? I know we had a slow start over the summer. Has that been made up? It appears our early success has had a food impact for commits. I would love to see a break down of who we have coming and who we have going, so that I can be prepared with my dreams of next season should I need them.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Players leaving:

        CB: Brian Watkins, Jordan Poyer, Ryan Handford.

        DE: Rusty Fernando, Rudolf Fifita.

        DT: Castro Masaniai, Andrew Seumalo.

        FB: Clayton York.

        LB: Rueben Robinson, Feti Taumoepeau(Unga)

        OT: Colin Kelly.

        RB: Jordan Jenkins.

        S: Anthony Watkins.

        TE: Colby Prince

        WR: Markus Wheaton.

        Possible incoming recruits if they sign their LOI with OSU:

        DB: Terin Solomon, Justin Strong, Walter Jones.

        LB: X’Zavier Preston.

        TE: David Ajamu

        WR: Jermel Walker, Jordan Villamin, Victor Bolden.

        Of course there will likely be a few others leaving of guys who transfer or just leave school but there won’t be any underclassmen turning pro, I don’t think.

        I like the 2013 recruiting class so far but other areas still have to be addressed. Need more LB’s, DE’s and most importantly some legit DT’s. They’re in good shape at QB, RB, WR, TE, OL and I like the secondary. Just get quality LB’s, DT’s and DE and this will be a good-very good class.

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          I’ll clarify that I think they should still get a couple O-Lineman cause I think you need to get at least a couple every year, but LB, DT, DE are probably bigger needs right now, especially DT.

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            We still need quite a few O-linemen. As of right now, we don’t have enough warm bodies to fill a 3-deep. Talent is great, but injuries will happen, and as of now we’re not prepared for that.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Amen

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            3 deep is overkill IMO. I’d rather have 10 quality guys with 3 redshirts each year. A lot of NFL teams get by with 7 or 8.

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            This isn’t the NFL. They need to be taught and developed physically. You can never have too many.
            You can’t go sign free agents if they don’t pan out, except for QB’s at Wisconsin.

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            Always should have at least a couple O-line recruits. Hopefully MR learned his lesson afte the last two years.

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            OG David Keller, the guy who originally enrolled at Fresno State, is a great addition even though he won’t be scored in the Scout/Rivals.com recuiting ranking championship competition.

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            Always want bona fide trench bodies on both sides. Other than that, some more quality depth at LB and athletes of TE/DE/FB variety.

            We’re finally deep enough at O-line that we can afford to sign some depth which just needs size. Getting a blue-chipper like Kearsley would be gravy.

            We need a plug-n-play at DT along with some real bodies within playing size when they get here. That’s one position we can’t just load up on 250 pound slow DE’s.

            LB is a fit situation. I like Preston, and some of their OLB targets are real ballers. I think they can evaluate that position well. I just want some closes.

            They can also evaluate TE/DE/FB well. And they can get good developmental depth. Ajamu is fine for a system TE, and he may develop into something more. But we need one or two spectacular athletes to fill in the depth chart in every class. That started with Chricton then Wynn at DE and Smith at TE. We missed at DE last year, so we need at least one star there.

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            What do we think of the OR talent? Jesuit seems like they have 5 guys that are pretty good on the OL, no? I saw Bennett sign with the somebody else, I also saw BYU signed a couple of guys, and AZ signed a Central Point LB. But Max Rich (Aloha) is out there and I think we are in the mix.

            I saw on PO that we are in on OK Kimmie Carson LB (9th best in the state). I would like to get a few more DL’s where do you think we go for that? We are going to be have to start thinking about another QB, unless Harrington is as good as Angry says.

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            Follow up: are we still after D’Vante Henry? Who are the Greyshirts this year? Garrett Owens (K) anybody else?

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            Henry was at the Wisconsin game. Owens is the only grey shirt, but I think he’s actually enrolled and taking classes part-time right now.

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            Hey Beaverkman, Rich is from Jesuit and Kearsley is the Aloha OL. Might want to check your facts before you post!

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            Rich is a little slow of foot, doesn’t look that strong and doesn’t sustain blocks. Kirkland is a little better (UW commit). Brenner is the best athlete on the O-line for Jesuit, but he should play DT at the next level. Since he’s committed to Nikegon, I guess that’s a good fit for him as an O-lineman. He’s athletic enough to run to a spot and throw himself at a defender’s legs all game long. The most underrated O-lineman at Jesuit IMO is Dom Baldacchi. He looks like he has the best technique and drive.

            Kearsley is the best O-lineman in Oregon. He’s big, fast, strong, technical, smart and nasty. He committed to BYU, but he seems to be somewhat open and taking visits. He can play anywhere on the line and do it well. Think Andy Levitre with this kid. Also at Aloha is TE Bryson Sullivan. He’s an outstanding blocker, and he has size and athleticism enough that he could develop into an O-lineman or work on agility to become a DE. But injuries have held him back. And Michael Kluge is immensely strong and built like a boulder. He’s 5’10 and plays a mean DT with power. He’s like Elvis Dumervil with an extra 30 pounds. I’d like to see him recruited, slimmed down a little, plugged in as a DE and taught to be a FB in short yardage situations. He could move a pile by himself with his strength.

            Skyler Phillips at Churchill is an outstanding prospect for OG. He has the size, strength and a nasty streak big enough to make him a really good road grader. He has to work on conditioning, but from where he’s come to where he is now, that doesn’t seem to be a problem. As he replaces baby fat with muscle, he will develop into an outstanding interior lineman.

            Matt Sommer is the same in the conditioning department, but in a lower body strength way. He’s a great athlete with good feet and good upper body strength. But he needs more legs to be a good to great O-lineman. He does have a knack for sliding through and plugging up holes as a DT, which is probably where the upper body strength helps.

            Derrick Turituri from Central Point is who you’re thinking of for UA commits. They also got his teammate RJ Morgan, who seems a little slow for his size and projected position. But both like to hit and are pretty smart players.

            If Morgan was a lot faster and had better hands and better defensive reads and coverage skills as a LB, then he would be Connor Strahm from Sheldon. Strahm could easily put on 30 pounds of muscle and probably gain a step. He’s a Swiss Army knife as a player at Sheldon because he is such an outstanding athlete, so maybe playing every position on the field has kept college scouts from noticing him as special at any one position.

            Other BYU commits are/were Dallin Leavitt and Tanner Shipley. Someone named Dallin was probably told at birth he was going to BYU, so there’s no surprise there. Shipley decommitted, and his teammate Johnny Ragin holds offers from OSU and BYU like he does. Ragin is a good LB with good size and speed. Shipley is probably out of luck with all the commits we already have at WR.

            IMO, Evan Voeller is by far the most overrated player in Oregon. He has good size and decent athleticism. But I’ve never seen (or talked to anyone who has seen) him use his gifts to even half their potential. I would say he has as much potential as Skyler Phillips, but doesn’t use it nearly enough. And now he’s out with injury anyway, so nothing will be known about his upside until college.

            And I think Chad Bach at Mountain View in Bend is the most underrated player. He’s almost a carbon copy of Chase Eldredge in his technical and athletic ability. But he’s longer and leaner at the same weight. He still has room to grow. I’ve also heard he’s just an outstanding kid.

        • numbers says:
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          Thank You for great overview.

        • krogercomplete says:
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          I need to bone up on the depth chart . . .

          So who is our starting MLB next year? Seems the DT’s are getting a pretty good rotation, so the guys behind Andrew and Castro should be able to play next year, though we may have no depth whatsoever. But who is in the hopper at MLB after RR and Feti leave?

          And what is the DE depth behind Crighton and Wynn with Fifita and Fernando gone?

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    Off topic, but just heard that Sean Mannion will be on Chris Childers College Football Nation show on S/XM after the Husky/Stanford game tonight.

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    Brayden Kearsley, OL at Aloha, who committed to BYU over a year ago and was actively recruiting Johnny Ragin of Wilsonville to join him at BYU, now is highly interested in OSU. Just shows you what two opening wins can do for the Beavs and what a BYU 2-2 start can have on impressionable 17 year olds. Who knows, he may bring Ragin with him.

    • Jack says:
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      Kearsley’s commitment was faltering late in the summer. Cav and Locey have been working him over all year, and they’re not wrong to try. He’s just a great prospect.

    • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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      See: Tyner.

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        Tyner is gone, heard he is ready for college ball, and tired of HS. He will be graduating early and enrolling in Dec so he can be ready for ucks spring ball.

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          Wasn’t he recently on campus at OSU though? I thought I read that somewhere a couple weeks ago. It’d be great if we could get him back, but I’m pretty excited about Woods/Brown for the future too. Either way I think we’ll be sitting pretty nice at RB for the next couple of years.

        • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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          I was referring to his comment about how a shitty start will lose you recruits. Tyner had OSU stuff all over his twitter, and claimed to be an OSU commit. He left the Sac State game at half time, two weeks later he was a Duck commit. Personally I don’t give a shit about him.

          Someone who would jump ship that quick, I would think would be poison in the locker room when the going gets tough.

          • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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            Besides, the ucks pay better.

          • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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            debatable.

          • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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            disregard, I miss read what you said.

          • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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            disregard, I misread what you said.

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            I generally agree with your statement about Tyner, but I also think this is commonplace amongst HS aged kids.
            They don’t yet know what a true commitment is yet and they’re also very prone to peer pressure.
            I got all butt-hurt when Owa dissed us on signing day but I’ve learned to not get too worked up over these kids.
            As Jack has mentioned, I’m more disappointed about losing him for our track team than anything.
            How hilarious (and sad) would it be for him if the yucks get hit with a 4 year bowl ban… oops! I’ve stopped holding my breath for any duck sanctions though.

          • Numbers says:
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            Yeah, you would think the possibility of owning the rebirth of osu track and field would excite a kid.

          • Jack says:
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            Could you imagine a 4×1 team with Cooks, Walter Jones, Tatum Taylor and Tyner?

            Yikes!

            And that’s with OSU historically putting out world class T&F athletes in distance and field events. There was one sprinter back in the late 60’s, Willie Turner, with world class speed (held a world record in the 100m being the first to run 10.00).

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Mannion made all the throws today, and will be ready for the game Saturday. Still a little soreness, but nothing he can’t handle.

  • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8431873&categoryid=2378529

    More national love. It’s amazing what a few wins will do for your reputation.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Really moving forward the biggest thing this team has to battle this next game is, the hype. Media is starting to jump on the bandwagon (and that is great), but you can’t just drink the koolaid, you gotta go back to work.

      For example, this team ranks 11th in yards per carry at 2.8. They have got to run the ball better more consistently. There are some big plays in the running game waiting to happen. Mannion has improved his turnovers, but now with a sore shoulder he is going to have to very aware of the throws he can or can’t make. Can’t make stupid penalties like late hits, false start, and holding.

      This talk of 6-0,7-0, is sooo premature. Let’s focus on some how getting by a tough Arizona team, and getting better as a team. The team is perfect, but far from perfection.

  • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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    Agree 100%

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    And another great ESPN write up:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/45825/it-took-a-year-for-oregon-state-to-grow-up#comment

    • angry angry says:
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      If we’re being honest, the title should be “took a year to graduate bad recruits/dead weight”

      • alex says:
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        That’s really only true on the O-line though.

        The rest of the dead weight was just that…dead weight. Buried on the depth chart, not contributing to the team one way or the other.

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          Frahm was dead weight. Good motor…can’t question his effort, but dead weight. Anthony Watkins, while still active, isn’t a P-12 starter. So that’s an upgrade.
          Also, I wouldn’t use the word “only” when describing an offensive line. It’s pretty much the most important piece of an offense.

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            Frahm always seemed to be a lot of talk and little action. Not sure lingering injury issues was the whole answer here.

      • HopefulBeav says:
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        Ha very true!

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    Do people still think the D tackles wouldn’t start at any other P-12 school?

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Holy shit UW’s Oline is absolutely terrible.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Wynn and Crichton will be looking forward to that game

      • WFO WFO says:
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        They’re doing OK getting rid of the ball quick and working the edges. But any pass play or anything that takes longer than 2 seconds to develop and it’s over.

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