24.Jul.2013 Depth Chart Predictions (Offense)

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My depth chart predictions:

QB — Sean Mannion
RB — Storm Woods (I imagine Ward gets change of pace duties, and Chris Brown mop up)
FB — Tyler Anderson
WR — Brandon Cooks
WR — Richard Mullaney (I hope Cummings doesn’t get this gig)
WR — Hunter Jarmon (I think this guy is 2013’s Brandon Cooks and will blow by Gwachum, Cummings, et al). At the very least he’ll be a “secret weapon” and big play threat in certain packages. Watch his film–he looks like Dez Bryant.
TE — Caleb Smith (This guy needs to step up his game). Perry is a nice plan B, or possibly a weak plan A.
LT — Michael Phillipp
LG — Josh Andrews
C – Issac Seumalo
RG – Grant Enger (hate having a natural tackle at guard, but it’s better than having a walk-on)
RT — Gavin Andrews

The offensive line is loaded. I expect 1,500 rushing yards for the starting RB. The first half of the schedule is weak. Beavs should be 6-0 heading to Cal. In my opinion, all the pressure this year is on Mannion. Every other position has a top guy who is performing. He’s the weak link right now, and unfortunately at the most important position (luck o’ the Beavs?)

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  • bone says:
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    Looks about right.
    Not a fan of Cummings game?

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Looking forward to seeing Anderson getting some touches, too. (assuming all is well with the knee)

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    Agree across the board. The only real question mark I see is the third WR spot (I would be shocked if Mannion doesn’t start). I have no faith in Gwachum either. If one of the incoming WRs could step up that would be huge. Anyone heard any word on Malik Gilmore? He was a big recruit and has great size. Any shot of him cracking the starting lineup?

    • angry angry says:
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      I think Gilmore has a shot. I think speed/separation is his issue.
      Riley seems to love Cummings (I get it, he’s a hard working, reliable, blue collar WR), but Jarmon and Bolden are more explosive. I think they need to get game changers on the field.

      • bone says:
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        I have also heard he has a mild case of the dropsies. Not as bad as Obum though.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Bolden is the player that intrigues me. I think of him as the next Cooks-type player.

        Once again, I hope speed and ability win out over seniority; having Wheaton and Cooks on the field at the same time was a potent reminder of the value of speed. Getting Jarmon and Bolden on the field with Cooks would be a big-play joy to watch. Then there goes Woods up the middle….

  • Jack says:
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    Connor Hamlett?

    Is Smith the TE and Hamlett the H-back, or vice versa?

  • beaverbeliver says:
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    Any word on Woods having concussion issues? I heard that there were concerns in the past.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Any updates on the “great day” tweet from yesterday? I’ve checked a couple other forums but havent seen anything.

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    Go Beavs!
    I hate that expectations are high this year (me included), we’ve been let down so many times in the past. Makes me nervous.
    What’s the first game we drop that we shouldn’t? To be fair I guess I should ask the first game we win that we shouldn’t too.

    • bone says:
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      I think it all comes down to if we can stop the run, if we can’t SDSU and Utah will be closer than they should and may be losses. If we can have similar or better success at stopping the run then I can see us beating Stanford.

  • Slamadam says:
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    Its a pretty good group on paper. Hamlett’s probably gonna get a lot of time at H back as well. If anybody starts over Cummings week one my guess is it would be gilmore, if only because he’s been around a bit longer. I’m kind of over Obum at this point, but it would definitely be nice if he could put it together and become kind of like Mannion’s security blanket.

    • angry angry says:
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      I’m over Obum, too. Should have been made into a TE. Not good enough to be a WR.

      I am frustrated with Mannion, too. He needs to step up and play instead of just looking the part.

      • bone says:
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        I’m going to try and make it to a couple fall camp practices and really look at the quarterbacks and receivers. Machado said on the radio that she thinks Vaz has the upper hand in the competition…So my money is on Mannion. I agree with you, Angry, he for sure looks the part, and there have been times he plays the part, just need to be more consistent.

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    I think we now have 4 kickers on the roster, maybe give Lettuce some incentive?
    I’m also curious to the role Sr WR Micah Hatfield may play. I would like to see him go out with a productive year even if it is in backup duty.
    Kellen Clute TE is another player I want to watch, I think he is a JR this year and it should be time to shit or get off the pot.

    • bone says:
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      When I watched the spring game none of the other kickers looked even close to Romaine. He actually put together a pretty nice season minus kicking the ball out of bounds every other kick off.

      And I agree with Hatfield, I like to see the local guys play well. I can see him being a pesky third down receiver who just gets himself open, almost like a Jaxson Shipley type receiver.

      • Jack says:
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        Owens should be good. I’m rather happy Riley finally decided ST was important. I think Romaine has been good (not great) for his tenure (Sac St is his bane). And the one late hit he was called for was just really really really bad officiating. If any ref would have looked at the play live, they would have seen Romaine was cheap-shotted about ten feet… through the air and into the pile… from behind.

        I do not forgive that walk-on o-lineman whose daddy is a cheap home-builder (and very very rich… not wealthy) for ragging on Romaine on the sideline after that crime of a penalty. First, it was just low class to beat on your own team in front of the world. Second, it was completely wrong.

  • bone says:
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    About the starting running back gaining 1,500 yards. Storm Woods has said a couple times that he is expecting both he and Ward to gain over 1,000 yards this season. That would be awesome.

  • angry angry says:
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    I wouldn’t worry about Romaine. I think he’ll have a good year.

  • squee-g says:
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    But who will be calling the plays this year? With all the talent we have on the first string this year, I would hate to see Langs start calling the plays again.

  • Hellobeavers says:
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    That looks like a great lineup. I’m happy to hear that others think highly of Woods and Ward because I didn’t see them as anything special last season. Given the history of OSU quarterbacks, I would definitely expect Mannion to have a breakout season.

    Good call on Jarmon.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      I think Woods will have a break out year. Your right that he didn’t seem to have the WOW factor, but looking back he does everything well. Had really good vision for a frosh and despite his funny/upright running style (which I imagine he’s been working on) still moves the pile and drags would be tacklers often enough. Combine that with him being dinged-up/playing injured from game 3 on and he actually had a deceptively impressive year. I’ve got buddies who have been back to campus for random reasons this summer, and all accounts are that you can almost always find Woods and Cooks in the field working on their game, and they both look bigger/stronger/faster. Best friends that really push each other to work harder.

      Still bummed with the Mattison news as he looked like SJax 2.0 to me, but I think we’re ok at RB for the next few years. Who knows, maybe that little bowling ball Haskins turns out to be solid.

      • bone says:
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        You are right about Woods being a very good overall back, he is a good receiver out of the backfield, he is a willing and improving blocker, and runs hard and finishes his runs. Simonton and Bernard didn’t really have a wow factor either but bother were very productive in college.

        I said this a while ago but I think when Brandin Cooks career is over he will be the best receiver to come through OSU, he may not win the Belitnikof (sp), but nto many players have his drive to succeed and to be great. And it’s rubbing off on the rest of the team.

      • progressivebeav says:
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        Obligatory Woods highlight video post. Really like his game, i also think he blows up this year. Especially if reports of him being faster are accurate.

        • ObjCritic says:
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          He does have deceptive speed when healthy and had a very nice YPC average last year. I expect if he can STAY healthy, the first several games will be productive as Angy mentioned, and will really build his confidence. Improved health, confidence, and offensive line should make for a very good year for Woods.

          In the first 6-7 games, I could see him averaging 5 – 6 ypc.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            That’s the thing though, he’s too fragile. I think a lot of the carries will be shared and they’ll be some games where he sits out entirely.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            He has put on some weight, so hopefully that helps with taking the pounding RB’s take.

        • angry angry says:
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          Is it possible to increase speed?

          Other than losing weight, I don’t see how. Aren’t the fast-twitch muscles the ones related to speed and pretty much set by adulthood?

          • progressivebeav says:
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            Speed is largely innate, but you still need to train to reach your limit. Sounds like he had a good off-season.

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            I don’t think so Angry. Of course genetics play a part, but your muscle fibers/cells are regularly replaced so with the right kind of stimulus a muscle can become “faster”, within limits obviously.

          • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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            I believe changing your running technique can increase speed. Also, hard work that leads to better conditioning (muscle memory) can help a person maintain their top end for a longer stretch of time. The initial burst (raw speed) may be the same, but their speed (relative term) over distance can increase. Wheaton has a faster 100 then Cooks so people tend to consider him the fastest receiver on the team, but Cooks initial burst beats Wheaton over the first 30. Cooks 40 coming into school was about a 4.4, but is now said to be down in the 4.25 range. He seems to be getting faster.

      • helmsley says:
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        It will be interesting to follow Butler JuCo and what Mattison does there – not just in football. I can’t imagine that the coaches wouldn’t be in touch with him often and that he will still play for the Beavs someday if he toes the line. (or does one tow the line?)

        • Jack says:
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          Toe the line… as in draw a line in the sand which one must or must not cross.

          • Jack says:
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            Slight correction…

            I’m told the more common usage is in people forming a line. I’ve never heard it used for military inspection, but a friend tells me that was its origin. I have heard it used to describe runners at the start of a race and as a boundary as I initially thought.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Also recall there were games when Woods was rolling, ripping off those Quizz like stretches where he’d run for 3 10-15 yard first downs in a row, and then we’d completely abandon the run game for the final 1.5 quarters. Probably could have had a couple of 200+ yard games (including the Alamo Bowl) if the play calling didn’t go to shit.

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    From Will’s dad: “Obviously you did not review the workout clips that I submitted. In my opinion Will Hopkins should be penciled in starting at TE. I certainly hope I err….he didn’t make the wrong decision.”

    • Issaquahbeav says:
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      It’s time to give it a rest….

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        Sorry amigo, no can do. It’s just not in the nature of the old bonehead to ever give up on anything! At 74 I’m still waiting for the college game to catch up to my advanced veer football and give me another chance. A return to OSU has always been my first choice, but, at this point, I’m willing to entertain any offer. It’s tough scraping out a living by selling twenty year old OSU memorabilia. JB

  • SalemBeav says:
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    I agree with Dwill03, that a big problem was coaching last year. Mannion wasn’t ready for WA, put in Vaz. Vax sucked against Stanford, put in Mannion. Vaz was clearly hurt in the Alamo bowl, put in Mannion. Badda Bing 12 – 1. As has been mentioned on this site numerous times, the coaches are inflexible to change with changing situations of a game. It was really great how well the baseball team did this year, but I am excited to see fall camp coming soon and the discussion shift to the start of a new season. I just hope Mannion can bring his UCLA/AZ game for the whole season.

    • Jack says:
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      Mannion was fine for UW. But the game plan called for a number one WR who could catch the ball to be on the field. When that didn’t happen it took 30+minutes of game time before the coaches figured out Cooks was being doubled and nobody (Cummings and Boom) was getting open or catching the ball on the other side.

      FINALLY they bring in Mullaney, and Cooks is freed up.

      Go figure.

      Also… why was Mannion passing against one of the worst run defenses in the nation?

      The above question was sponsored by replays of the Alamo Bowl.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Mannion floated passes against UW. Should not have played.

  • Bill says:
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    Here’s my take, a little different than Angry’s.

    QB — Cody Vaz – Mannion is the coach’s dream QB, (son of a coach, puts in the work and has the respect of his teammates). I just think Vaz will get it done once he’s installed as the starter. He’s got the gunslinger mentality where he’ll just keep coming. Mannion has a tendency to force things when the team is down and think too much. ie UW game.
    RB — Storm Woods
    FB — Tyler Anderson
    WR — Brandon Cooks
    WR — Richard Mullaney – Needs to be a viable threat for Cooks to have a good year.
    WR — Kevin Cummings/Gilmore – I think Obum will be the 5th WR.
    TE — Caleb Smith
    H-Back – Connor Hamlett – Thinking he’ll have a breakout year. Back to the years with Newton and Euhus.
    LT — Michael Phillipp
    LG — Josh Andrews
    C – Issac Seumalo
    RG – Grant Enger
    RT — Gavin Andrews – Expecting better run blocking on this side.

    Overall every part of the game should be better. The improved run game should put the Beavs over the top in the early road games.

    • bone says:
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      Is gun slinger and a quarterback who forces passes the same thing? I have always thought that Brett Favre is the prototypical gun slinger, and he forced quite a few passes and threw his fair share of interceptions. Am I wrong about the definition of a gun slinger?

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        I’m with you. Mannion is the Gun Slinger, Vaz is the game manager. I think Vaz was also lucky to have so few picks, as he hit many a DB right in the numbers but they always seem to drop his bad throws. He also throws behind receivers alot, rarely hitting them in stride. They would catch the ball but it would eliminate the YAC’s.

        • JD says:
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          I know that this was mentioned during the season but Vaz’s number looked better than what his throws were showing. He got quite lucky on many balls that should have been picked off.

    • Joe Avezzano says:
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      Vaz gave us a few moments to cheer about, but there’s this:

      1. Inability to hear footsteps.
      2. Poor scrambling skills. See (1).
      3. Largely inaccurate.
      4. Unfortunate facial hair decisions.
      5. Soap dish.

      Just say no. No no no no no.

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        “Soap dish” in football and “chili dip” in golf are the two best descriptive phrases of all time, I dare someone to find any better or funnier.

        • angry angry says:
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          Soap dish? I never even heard it. What does that mean?

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            What does soap dish mean?

          • Joe Avezzano says:
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            You youngsters are unfamiliar with the term “soap dish?” A clip of a bio of one of my favorite NFL players Dave “Mudbone” Krieg describes it nicely: “Who can forget his soap-dish passes, where his arm would start forward, only to have the ball squirt backward?”

            The closest Joe Avezzano’s tv screen came to being ventilated by a chair was a combo bad scramble/indecision about passing resulting in Vaz simply soap-dishing the fucker into the ground in front of him.

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            Soap dish: Imagine your hand is a soap dish and the football is a bar of soap, when you throw your arm would move forward but the soap would stay put in the air or even squirt backwards.
            It’s better explained by watching punter Garo Yepremian in the super bowl:

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          Ok, if you dare me, and since you didn’t say to keep it sports related. I’ve always liked the phrase “Growing a tail”

          If you need it in a sports context:

          Coach Riley shouldn’t have eaten so much during his pre-game meal. He couldn’t wait till halftime, so he could run to the restroom to grow a tail during the break.

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        Couple reasons why Vaz will be the starter:

        1) Turnovers: Under Riley, when the RBs put the ball on the ground they see the bench. Same goes for the QB. Mannion turns the ball over too much. Beavs need a “game manager” this year…not a guy who’s going to take chances and force throws.

        2) My Theory: There’s a reason Riley is waiting until early Fall camp to announce that Vaz will be the starter. If he were to announce Vaz the starter after Spring ball, there’s a decent chance that Mannion transfers. If he waits until 2 weeks into fall camp, Mannion is almost guaranteed to stick around. BUT…if Mannion was going to be the starter, Riley would’ve already announced it b/c Vaz isn’t going anywhere for his senior year. Just my two cents…

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          That’s a good theory.

          I’d be fine with Vaz. I viewed these QBs as even last year, just both with different flaws. Maybe one of them takes the next step and it becomes obvious who should start.

          ps. I like Vaz’s facial hair–what’s the problem?

          • Joe Avezzano says:
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            The facial hair? It’s a little too twee/Johnny Depp for my taste. Needs a bandana and an eye patch.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    James Hasty dismissed from team

  • homefry homefry says:
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    Tyler Hasty dismissed from team

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    All Hastys’ on team dismissed….

  • bigbrown says:
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    Mannion is going to be the guy, yes he throws one to many interceptions but he gets the job done when hes healthy. The reasons he will be the starting qb is as followed- 1 he avoids the sack better then vaz, 2 hes taller ( he can throw the screen pass) which is going to be vital this year now that storm has another year under his belt(great hands), 3 the team obviously voted on who should be the starter when they voted for captains. 4 his arm strength/release time have only improved from what I saw during spring practice (which will help reduce interceptions) . 5 His composure/mentality 6 work ethic, this kids is one of the hardest working players on the team(friend who had him in class said smart and always study the playbook on his tablet.

  • beaverkman says:
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    The main thing with Woods is his health. Going back and looking at the games early last season he was running much more explosive up until the AZ game when he started getting dinged up. I know he has stayed in Corvallis this year to get bigger so he can stay healthier. That is a big key to us getting upwards to 1500 yds. But I love the depth we have. I think Damien Haskins will be an immediate contributor and a beast.

    I agree Caleb Smith needs to step up at TE. I like our OL.

    WR I have a few question marks, I think they could be good, but need to see the production on the field.

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      I agree, Damien Haskins is beast. Don’t be suprise if you guys see him on the field this year making an impact. This kid going to do great things at Oregon State. The most underrated running back since jacquizz. Great attitude, personality and smart kid. He is only going to make the players around him better! Quote me on that!

      • Timber! says:
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        Bigbrown is quoted on July 25, 2013 as saying “Damien Haskins is beast. Don’t be suprise if you guys see him on the field this year making an impact. This kid going to do great things at Oregon State. The most underrated running back since jacquizz. Great attitude, personality and smart kid. He is only going to make the players around him better!” 😉

      • Jack says:
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        Haskins will be good. But he’s in the queue right now. Woods is the man currently. If he doesn’t figure out how to finish those 10 yard runs where he’s still upright but taking head shots, then he’ll be limited for various reasons. Ward is someone I loved out of HS, and he’s proving that he’s all that and more (just like his HS teammate Anderson is). But he’s a workaday back who can plug it in different circumstances.

        Then there’s Brown. I am very high on his upside on this level. I think he’ll get a shot and prove that he may be the next star here.

        Those three and Anderson are a more than decent backfield. If Haskins can break in as a true frosh, then he is more than something special. And even if he doesn’t he may still be. There’s just so much to learn in Riley’s system regarding everything besides just carrying the rock. If he’s a natural at the intangibles (which are really tangible), then we see him this year. If not, then he’s a star of the future who will RS this year.

        Either way, he’s gonna be a dandy.

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          It would really be nice to see Riley/Langs make good use of both Ward and Anderson; I agree, they’re two guys who could make a positive difference this season.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Anderson became a big weapon last year. Hard to come back from that injury and play at the same level unless your name is Adrian Peterson. Hopefully he can be a factor this year. Good player.

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          In that Steven Jackson article someone linked to he said something about how he used to run upright in college because he could just bulldoze people, then came the nfl and he learned to get lower or die.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        Your handle reminds me of a dorky friend I had in high school who was really into Star Trek. He would always say “Captain’s log: Big and brown”

  • Jack says:
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    Glyeb Ewing?

  • gobeavers92 says:
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    Can Jack’s Asshole play catcher? oooops wrong sport sorry.

    • Jack says:
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      Really? You want to go all duck here? Go to the other thread. I can play with you there.

      And don’t add homophobia to your resume. That’s a clear sign of insecurity.

  • Jack says:
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    He’s fast for a K.
    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/196383/highlights/32855415

  • Jack says:
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    We’re… um… #3!
    http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=208818562

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    The mystery commit….a DE. Havent looked him up yet

    Blair Sanderson (@BlairRIVALS) tweeted at 11:52 AM on Thu, Jul 25, 2013:
    Waukon, #Iowa DE Glyeb Ewing @glyebwardstudly has committed to #OregonState – http://t.co/FwFmDo6lp2 – @AngieMachado1
    (https://twitter.com/BlairRIVALS/status/360472655872274432)

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      Sorry, just realized this isnt news anymore

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        We just stole a Iowa walk-on candidate. Boy is Capt. Kirk going to be pissed(Ferentz’s B1G nickname).

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          He is from Waukon……….how appropriate.

  • angry angry says:
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    Is it me or is recruiting taking a step backward?

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      It’s not you. If this kid was any good he would have been signed and sealed by one of the two in state schools.

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        Kind of like Poyer in Oregon? Got an OSU offer at the last minute.

        Not saying he’s a stud, but that argument has flaws.

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          Camped at Iowa and no offer. Ferentz and co have made a living identifying tall but underweight kids and turning them into NFL O or D linemen. That is a major red flag for me. There will always be some exceptions like Poyer. Not going to get to and win the Rose Bowl counting on exceptions.

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      6’5″ and 235 lbs….Riley must see a lot of growth potential there. Establishing the Iowa pipeline?

      WTF.

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      It depends on how you measure it. Remember last year at this time, what did we have, one commit? You started some thread about it.

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        On 7/10/12, angry described recruiting at that point in time “horrible”.

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          Do you have a link to that post and who the commits were? Maybe it was horrible.

          Some of these early guys look like roster fillers rather than actual players. Yeah, it can change and likely will. OSU always picks up around September. But I am not even hearing we’re in the mix for any exciting names.

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          I think when that post was made, there was one recruit. Looking at Scout, there was one safety early in the process (early for OSU). Look at the commitment dates, it didn’t pick up until September.

          http://oregonstate.scout.com/a.z?s=182&p=9&c=8&yr=2013

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          This should be the year we kill it in recruiting. Beavs had a huge buzz going nationally for the first half of the season last year. Upsets of Wisky’s, UCLA, In N Out, etc. The aim should be higher. Elite players are the difference between being good or great. Our conference rivals are going after and getting those players. Riley just asked the plain Jane girl next door to the prom. He needs to be getting the hot cheerleader, or at least going after them. We beat out Northern Iowa for a player, #hip,hip, hooray!

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    Hey guys who is the new freshman guy on the team? Chris who? he is in this pic all the way on the right http://instagram.com/p/b1rnG2uv1d/# and is also in the new video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7L9plhOxRg.

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    never look a Glyeb horse in the mouth….

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    Not sure if this was already talked about, but the top TE in the country narrowed his list to 5 and still has the Beavers in the mix. He had some pretty impressive offers. Get it done Riley!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Dalton-Schultz-138622

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      From Will’s dad: “This kid will drop OSU when he learns that Will is going to OSU. The TE slot is sewed up for the next four years. As a courtesy I’ll call his dad”

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        Good one, boner. Yer makin a comeback…

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      Hopeful, indeed. Assuming he is LDS and Utah has offered, and Stanford is, well, Stanford – what are the odds this guy would chose the Beavs?

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    Good thread, Angry.

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    This week I have started updating recruits in the Recruiting forum, since it seems like recruiting has been picking up. I don’t know how much time I will have to do it, but I am trying to make an effort.
    http://angrybeavs.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=11

    The recruits may have been a little underwhelming as of now, but I am happy we have 5 commits already, plus we have 2 QB’s, and we have some DE. So I am happy with the positions they have so far. We are in play for several high quality recruits, do I think we will get them? I think its a longshot, but who knows. Riley tweeted this other day,
    @Coach_Riley 16 Jul
    Talked to our coaches today and I’m fired up about all the BIG official visitors we will have this Fall! #GoBeavs

    OSU does most their recruiting during their visits, they have notoriously been lacking during the Summer camp tours, for whatever reason (wanting to watch tape, build relationships, etc). Most of the kids they got last season were off of their visits unofficial and officials. So, do you think the programs strategy is working? The problem I think they have the most, is the inability to recruit the state. I don’t think they will even get a sniff from Connor Humpreys and some other high profile recruits in the state. Beavergopher mentioned how Iowa and Iowa St lock down the state recruits, we have not done that the last 5 years.

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      They definitely had a better handle on recruiting in state five or six years ago. The difference to me though between now and then is the semi pipeline that’s been established with Texas, plus the fact that there hasn’t seemed to be as many high schoolers in Oregon deserving of a pac12 scholarship outside of Tyner and Lyerla unless I’m forgetting about some that went elsewhere. I base that off just looking at the current roster. http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/204/oregon-state-beavers. I think I counted sixteen names from OR. Of that group, only Hatfield, Isaac and Kostol are going to see a lot of meaningful time. There’s just better available talent in other regions.

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    Gylebs film reminds me of Ali’i Robbins from a few years ago, nothing that sticks out too much. Hopefully they can improve his speed.

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    Interesting, Lindsay started a ten part series previewing players at each position with the special teams crew. I notice that she plans to also preview “a coach”…who “could have an increased impact on the teams fortunes in 2013.”

    Any thoughts on who that may be?

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    Portland Tribune on Mannion/Vaz:

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/157532-battle-simmers-for-beavers-starting-qb

    Mannion’s up to 220 lbs, allegedly stronger, faster, and throwing the ball with confidence;

    QBs have been throwing to WRs “everyday,” including 7 on 7 drills Wednesdays and Fridays;

    Mullaney in great shape, catching everything in sight. Cooks bigger, stronger, vocal.

    Sounds positive if one of the two QBs can be accurate enough to hit receivers in stride…

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    Sporting News Pre-Season All-Pac 12:

    http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-07-21/all-pac-12/

    Chricton, Reynolds make the list.

    Notable Beaver omissions IMO: Isaac Seumalo, Brandon Cooks.

    Did you know Reynolds has “blistering speed?” I didn’t.

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      how the fuck are isaac and brandon not on there…

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    I took Angry’s advice and went and watched some Jarmon video:

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/448909/highlights/11418374

    It’s not just the speed that stands out, the body control, hands, decent stiff arm and ability to make yards after contact…kid looks like an experienced college receiver in his HS film.

    Like the play at about the 4:25, could see him executing that at OSU – note again the yards after contact.

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    @beaverkman
    Video: Oregon State coach Mike Riley http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/59249/video-oregon-state-coach-mike-riley-5

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    I believe he was the first team all state punter besides being a great baseball player. He took an early official to Minnesota last fall so I’ve been really high on this kid for a long time. Reminds me of Wheaton, but much more polished out of high school. Kind of a mix of Wheat and Cooks. Barring injury, I bet he is the first of a really good group of frosh receivers to see the field. Another weapon for Casey next spring. Go Beavs!

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    Brandin Cooks interview

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    Interesting tweet from Joes Schad via Lindsay tweet:
    Arizona LB Jake Fischer says as effective as Oregon offense is, Oregon State’s O is actually most frustrating to face

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      When Danny is calling plays, it’s also the most frustrating to watch.

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    Mike Riley (@Coach_Riley) tweeted at 4:58 PM on Fri, Jul 26, 2013:
    Headed back to beautiful Corvallis from @pac12 Media Day, it’s a great day to be a Beaver! #GoBeavs
    (https://twitter.com/Coach_Riley/status/360912072294416384)

    Also, riley was just on a local radio show amd said a”couple juco guys and a veteran DT” are in jeopardy of becoming eligible this season. Will find out the outcome of eligibility mext week. didnt say who.

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      The veteran DT is a senior. And if we can assume Peko is one of the juco guys on the bubble, that could be a big blow to the D-line if they arent eligible.

      Havent seen anything on the “great day to be a beaver” tweet

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        Brandon Sprague saying all 3 players are DT. Might be time to move some O-linemen over. Isn’t Isaac a DT from his high school days?

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          We are getting some shitty news the last few days. Paying the piper for screwing up recruiting that position for a few years. I presume the senior is Mana Rosa. Middle of our D could be a total sieve.

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            Kyle Whittingham said recently, regarding replacing Star L, that DT was an easy position to recruit for Utah. That they never had problems there. Would be nice to leverage our increased presence in that region…

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          Wow that sucks. I’m still a fan of moving Josh Mitchell to DT.

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          We can’t move Isaac over, he is way too valuable on O-line. But maybe look to the offensive line for some help. This puts a lot of pressure on the JC guys who are already here to perform at a high level right away.

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            Remember Delva broke his hand during the Spring, and missed most of the practices. I have not heard about his health, but he should be ready for the Fall?

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            That was Hautau, not Delva. Though the question stands…

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            I haven’t heard if he is healthy yet or not either (no news/good news?). I have never broken a bone, so does anyone know how long the recovery is for a broken hand? That about 4 months ago.

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      Nice background for the interview. No four lane highways available?

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    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/07/beavers_signee_lawrence_mattis.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Looks like we plan on keeping tabs on Mattison.

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    do you guys think any true freshman will play?
    i could see jarmon,bolden, and hunt playing

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      I think we might see Sean Harlow on ST.

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        Hope not with Harlow. Unless he is starting, it is best to redshirt linemen to get their strength and weight up to par. With Hasty gone, it is almost certain that Hunt plays this year.

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      From Will’s dad “I think Will Hopkins will not only start but be your best offensive weapon.”

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    Riley as Hannibal: The Gates of Rome
    http://beaverbyte.com #2013Campaign #GloryforOSU

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      I think you’ll need a re-write where Riley/Hannibal visits Greece in the beginning and loses half of his elephants near Athens in a battle with Akademos. Then we shall see how he handles the rest of his battles short handed.

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        Can any of his elephants play DT?

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          That was my point. Academics took out half the elephants

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      Love this! I’ll refer to it as the season progresses.

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    Angry are you gonna do one of these threads for defense too?

  • angry angry says:
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    What do you guys think for defense?

    I’d be curious to hear how it compares to what I am thinking. I’ll probably put up a thread next week.

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      The defense is pretty set right now. The positions we are looking to fill there is not a huge sample to look at for the positions. Skotte and Williams haven’t been on the field much, the defensive tackle rotation from last season is pretty much gone and haven’t seen much of the new players, and Martin and Nelson (who just became a father) are going to each be on the field a lot. I think it is more important to find out who is going to be backing these players up. I should be able to make it to a few practices, so I’ll keep an eye out.

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      I think the defense is strong on the outsiders. The main concern is up the middle at DT and MLB. If we get solid production there it could be real good. Like Murphy, Reynolds, and Nelson. Alexander and Doctor should be leaders. Wynn and Crighton could be beasts if we get some good DT play. I wonder who will be second Safety?

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        Something up with Zimmerman? Weren’t there also a couple safeties that had good springs?

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          Nothing up with Zim, I just think we could do better at that position. He is solid, but also shows his inexperience at times. Hopefully, another year under his belt he will become a strength?

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    New commit – Shane Bowman from Bellevue Washington to the beavs, I haven’t watched any film, any thoughts? So far, recruiting has been lackluster IMO

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        Beat out Montana and Montana State. Take that Ducks!
        Hip, hip, …..

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          We are getting all the low hanging fruit out of the way early.

          Anyways he looks like he has a really good frame, and good size. He seems to have a little trouble getting off blocks, but has a good motor. Much like I posted in the Recruiting forum, Bellevue is one if not the top program in WA (think DeLasalle of Seattle), so that is a good place to get into.

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            If Bowman is truly 6’4″, then there’s no way he’s 240# or so. I’m at 230#, and my arms do not remotely resemble the tree trunks on that kid. And I’m sure he wears twice the collar size I do. If I had to guess at his 6’4″ frame, I would say he’s pushing 270# if not over. Otherwise he’s 4″ shorter than reported.

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    Question? Is Will’s dad starting to annoy anyone but me? I swear he sends me five or six comments every day. I only share the good ones. I’m thinking of telling him to f-off but I would hate to lose his commitment. At this point it looks like recruits may be hard to find this year. JB

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    Way OT (maybe not as far as stuff about Will’s dad) but worth a look:

    http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=29172839&c_id=chc

    Darwin Barney just keeps finding ways to shoot ’em down!

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    so when does riley announce the qb i’m dying to hear about that…

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      Which qb is that? There’s already two in the class. Unless you’re being sarcastic. Based on your name, that’s about 60% likely.

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        lmao i meant vaz or mannion

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          Oops, had recruiting on the brain. Riley will announce the Vaz or Mannion by day 8 of practice.

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    They took the wraps off the new Oregon State Basketball court. Ralph Miller logo looks decent. Beavers is written underneath the right basket. I am assuming Oregon State is what is under the left. Good size for the beaver. (Image at bottom)

    http://tinyurl.com/l5nugva

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      You know what would have been cool? If they faded the half-court line. Recruits would think that’s “tight!” Oh, wait…

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    Spending too much time at the hospital this weekend. I had to pull out a standard.
    https://soundcloud.com/john-butler-trio/ocean-2012

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      Trying to finally get your head out of your ass? Good luck with that Jackaroo

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        Sorry duckie. I was taking care of an old friend whose prognosis is a little dim. She’s a duck too, and she says… let me get this quote right… “Tell them to go fuck themselves kiddo! You have my permission to do that.”

        Unlike you, she’s cool.

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    OT – Bread and circuses again. The “football operations facility” at UO:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2013/07/canzano_blog_ducks_new_footbal.html

    Some select highlights:

    The “Ring Room” includes LED lighting and 3-D sound;

    There are “Maquettes” aka miniature mannequins on the tour featuring Ducks uniforms dating from 1894 – present; HOW MANY DID THIS REQUIRE TO SHOW ALL THE UNIS?

    All rugs throughout the facility are custom-designed and hand-woven in Nepal;

    The marble reception desk is made from a slab of carrara marble from Italy;

    The “PRO SCOUT ROOM” includes integrated AV to allow for pro scouts to access game footage; Also, the wall of the room incorporates the NFL graphics.

    “Player room” includes taping bench, custom clocks that show Autzen Stadium game clock time, marble floors, walls and ceilings;

    All of the marble ought to reenforce the gladiator and games-as-means-of-influencing-public-policy vibe of Rome….

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    “All rugs throughout the facility are custom-designed and hand-woven in Nepal”
    They tout this as good?

    *sigh*

    Only at Nikegondoes crap smell good.
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/06/16/cfp.nepal.carpet.industry.children/index.html

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      Nike does not like to age-discriminate when it comes to international employment opportunities.

      I thought the issue of worker conditions in Nike factories came up years ago in Eugene with some demonstrations and opposition, said vocal opposition being withdrawn when Knight threatened to stop being the uber-donor.

      In fairness, perhaps UO required certification from GoodWeave Foundation.

      Nonetheless, the facilities remain absurd, even if built with private money. The facilities should assure UO will remains a national power in football for the foreseeable future (from player recruiting to pro careers), and that the University will likely and continually be distracted from its original purpose.

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        GoodWeave has an uphill battle.

        Let’s put it all this way. When an inspector shows up in one of these countries, they, he or she could be as altruistic as Gandhi and Mother Theresa together. But the police and government officials in these towns are bought, and you’re not stepping foot within 100 miles of any production facility without the manufacturer knowing who and where you are at all times. Depending on where you go, the local taxi services are often on the dole as well.

        I have an old navy buddy who did this for years, and he’ll be the first to tell you that certifications about fair trade are worth about one-tenth the cost to print them when dealing with most Asian (from Turkey to China) and African countries. If you’re a nobody who is no threat to them just “passing through” on a tourist visa, then you can slip hidden cameras into these places. That’s why any footage you see of these things are of that nature. But it’s getting to be nearly impossible to do that as well since even one snippet drives public sentiment and wastes millions in the concerted marketing of lies.

        That navy buddy is now banned from entering several SE Asian countries as a thank-you for his work.

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          Another problem in some of these countries is that production facilities are often a front for the business anyway. They have laws which make small shops and domestic production exempt from labor laws themselves. So if mommy and daddy have seven kids, they can make these rugs and just hand them off to the wholesaler… who is the face of the business to all outsiders and probably has a small shop with legal labor to show anyone who comes asking.

          That now infamous pic of a Pakistani child sewing a Nike soccer ball in a corner of his earth hut is more than commonplace… and legal according to most of those countries… and VERY well known to be so by the companies who contract this labor despite their claims otherwise.

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            The point is that people make stuff in America, and most of it is really good stuff.

            You don’t have to be an accessory to human rights violations just to be a nouveau douche.

            Speaking of Nikegon… I know I’ve brought it up before, but can anyone tell me how the TTATT rivaled Riverbend hospital in cost? That place is massive… and performs as promised.

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            Exactly. Jack, I’ve personally found your buddy’s description of the way factory owners/wholesalers in poor countries get around NGO’s and other “certifiers” to be quite accurate.

            Most inspectors don’t know enough about manufacturing to look at a facility which is a “front” and see that the shipments from said facility would require three or four times as many employees as are shown; the bulk of production coming from in home workers as young as six or seven.

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      Nike loves their underpaid child laborers from Asian countries. Exploitation at its finest

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      I love the silly Micheal Moore type rants about child labor in foreign countries. What, you want those children to die of starvation, instead? What, you want US scale wages? … so the child dies of starvation because at that scale, no jobs. What, you want US style OSHA working conditions? …so the child starves, since under such stipulations, there wont be jobs.

      Feel good about buying anything made by cheap labor in a foreign country, because you are helping that country, helping the people, and starting them on the road to better things. Sure, eventually the wage scales will price them out of industry, like happened in the US and then Japan…. thats how the world turns.

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        Not really ranting here, just pointing out consumers are mistaken if they think all of these “certifications” are valid.

        It is hard for me to, “Feel good about buying anything made by cheap labor in a foreign country” because I know that in the short run the bulk of the benefits go to a very small “ruling” class. I’ll agree that in the very long run benefits will also get to the workers.

        No easy answers, but education which improves subsistence farming and fishing can play a significant part.

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          You’re in my world with the economic models here. Gandhi was probably the most brilliant of economists. And he never formed a model for his peers to study… other than with his actions. The story of the making of salt is so basic, yet so complex. He shared many of the same tenets Jesus did as a prophet in the modern time.

          And none of them counter capitalism as set forth by Smith and others. They only counter the corporate greed and graft that so many are willing to incorrectly defend as capitalism nowadays. That same corporate greed was statism and colonialism in their respective times. And they were both willing to die for their causes.

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        Aren’t the silly rants part of what is driving the ‘wage scales’ up and starting them on the road to better things? Not sure why you’d be critical of it. Why not support the push for improved working and wage conditions from the consumer end as well as the worker end?

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          No, the rants criticize the presence of any outside industry taking advantage of cheap labor. The implementation of a Nike factory STARTS that process of increasing the wage scale, because usually the Nike job is better paying than anything else available. Yes, Nike takes advantage of the cheap labor….by employing it. That alone is a big positive. If the consumer gets on Nike, and gets them to put the plant back in the US, they have killed peseants. So dont be cruel…..leave Nike and such outfits, alone. They are doing a good thing.

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            You’re either really good at this sarcasm thing or really good at denial. I was laughing at the first one because I thought it was a really nice bit of troll bait.

            But you can’t possibly think this makes sense.

            Can you?

            I mean… it makes sense in a 2+2 world. But you can’t possibly think that 2+2 solves P versus NP.

            I mean… you have one if/then, and that’s it? Come on man! A little effort please?

            I don’t know why we’s leavin’ massa’s house…

          • Jack says:
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            Oh… and if you’re in the denial crowd, think about why they make slaves of children instead of just hiring their unemployed parents.

            I’m getting riled up here. I’m ready to retread the whole vulture fund thing. And it would be boring if it wasn’t for the whole vulture fund bubble starting to rear its head.

            Let’s recap what we know. Idiot boy and his Congress of do-nothings were convinced by people who controlled these funds to forgive massive debts rung up by colonial puppet regimes in Africa. There had been enough turnover in the puppet department due to old age and CIA assassinations that new puppets were now in place. And somebody had to own them.

            So why not us?

            So not only do we forgive massive amounts of debt. We’ve talked all our allies who helped us rape your country into forgiving 80% of your debt as well. And to top it off we’re going to give you enough “foreign aid” to pay off the remaining 20%. The really really stupid among us call that “white man’s guilt.”

            The vulture funds call that opportunity.

            What if… just spit-balling here… what if my fund comes in and bribes the new puppet in order for them to not use the “foreign aid” to pay off debt? What if that bribe causes them to sell me the debt for the pennies on the dollar? And what if that “foreign aid” was suddenly siphoned into my fund instead?

            Of course this is all hypothetical. It’s illegal to bribe foreign officials, and that keeps anyone from doing so. Those officials simply did all this because they thought me and my fund were just awesome. That’s all.

            And I give the GOP a 10% cut of these former tax dollars for their campaigns because I just think they’re cool too… because bribing an official is illegal… and calling it a kickback makes some people look twice at it.

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            Its simple, Jack. Jobs vs no jobs. And usually a better job than any other available.

            Nike is doing a real plus for any country it puts an assembly plant into. Its just that simple.

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            Ok… so you were being funny.

            It is a brilliant bit of truthiness. Congrats on that.

            Can you imagine how incurious one must be about his or her surroundings to buy this swampland?

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            Hey! At least the child who made my shoes isn’t a street child of Brazil. That would be bad, therefore my shoes are good!

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        Sarcasm doesn’t read so well on fake rants mocking the idiots rsteve. But it’s a nice try. I giggled quite a bit at it. I can envision Colbert wagging his finger at some goofy graphics while straight-facing this truthiness.

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    Saw the Orange Jersey’s at the Beaver store downtown this weekend. Super “clean” as the kids would say. Almost grabbed a Cooks jersey, though couldn’t bring myself to pay the $90.00 when I got 2 shirts and a nice zip up hoodie for the same cost. I hope this is one of the predominant jersey choices as it really pops and I could see recruits digging them.

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      you’re talking about these right: http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/197/files/2013/04/spe.jpg

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        Yes. The sleeve is a little different (stripes are thinner and there’s about 6 inches of extra orange after the last stripe) but they look real nice in person. The black ones however have very chunky white and orange stripes on the sleeves that are a little distracting. They’re Nike but not the true authentic’s. The dude at the counter said they’d get then nicer ones in a couple of weeks and would be priced more in the $120-130.00 range.

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          Cool cool, was this the Beaver Store in PDX?

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            really loving the helmet in that pic i posted

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            I’d like that helmet without the white stripes.

            But it is still 5000% better than the helmets we’ve had for the last 15 years. I’d say the white lids are about 2000% better, and the orange are the best. But I can see why some might go for the black hats. The black and orange lids are throwbacks with a modern edge. So it’s a matter of personal tastes and sentiments when arguing which is “better” for any one person.

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            Agree 100%.

            Not perfect but oh so much better.

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            Hey WFO, thanks for the gas drops tip. That stuff is like liquid gold. They could charge twice as much for them and I’d still buy them.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Hey glad I could help man. That stuff can be a life saver.

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          They have these online now, too

          http://www.osubeaversshop.com/gdosu11271301.html

  • helmsley says:
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    sad but funny

    http://jamesjericho.com/sportsblog/?tag=tyler-hasty

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      Hurting his draft stock?? I bet he just dropped to the 5th round.

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    any word on corey lawrence I saw someone commented that he may be ineligible

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    Feel good story of the day:

    I was at the Nike employee store in Beaverton earlier today and overheard an athletic looking high school aged kid talking to some people about how he has been receiving interest from both the Oregon State and Oregon football programs. He then told them that if both programs offered him he would “100%” choose Oregon State. It made me smile because I realized I was in the presence of a genuinely good person.

    Go Beavs.

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      did he say why the beavs?

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        Unfortunately I didn’t hear what he said afterwards because I started to walk away for fear of looking too awkward while standing there pretending to look at the same shirt and listening in on a high school kids conversation. I really did want to hear him say why though.

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    Here is news on the DT’s from Eggers, quotes from Riley, would suggest a different tune than what he had at Media Day!
    @kerryeggers
    JC transfer tackles Peko, Tuaau “probable” to start camp with Beavers Monday #gobeavs
    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/157814-two-beaver-jc-d-linemen-probable-start-of-camp

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      Good stuff. I heard Tua’au was lost about a month ago. Good for him when he steps into practice next week. Now just don’t be another Glover.

      And good for Braun and Rosa for being there finally. Those two haven’t necessarily done all that in their careers. But they’ve gone through the wars. I hope they make it hard for the JUCOs to overtake them as starters. That would mean we have some real depth.

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      Side note, looks like John Braun moved inside to DT. Hoping this is the year that Gonzalez steps up.

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        Also, 265 (Tuuau) is pretty light for a D Tackle….hoping we’re not really that desperate? Wouldn’t he be a good size for DE?

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        Seconding Gonzalez, looking forward to seeing him get more PT.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Much better news than what was being reported Friday. Hope this is accurate. Been looking forward to seeing what Peko brings.

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    I really like this:
    https://twitter.com/oregonstatewbb/status/361924051125563392/photo/1

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    @beaverkman
    The NFL’s Knowledge Gap | The MMQB with Peter King – http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/26/derek-mason-stanford-read-option/ … via @theMMQB

    Interesting article on stopping the spread by Stanford coach. Basically, it says you can’t be stubborn like Banker has been and tried to stop it with a 4-3 scheme.

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      Good stuff. About 2/3 of the way through the author touches upon denying the QB a quick read by not committing to either the QB or RB too quickly; very similar to a ploy suggested by Angry here many months back.

      “The quarterback wants a fast read all the time,” Mason says. “If you don’t give him a fast read, then things start to break down and he starts to panic…” And, I’d add, he HAS TO make a decision without the information he expects (and trains) to have; a situation which will increase the odds for the D.

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        I couldn’t agree more. The stubbornness of the 4-3 is awful to watch.

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          Hey, the D line will be ok…..Banker will curse twice as loud to make up for the guys being lighter…. we need Profanity Power! t-shits…

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    Does someone have Banker’s e-mail address? This article might get him thinking.

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    hautau is going to replace masanai and i think delva and peko will be very good

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    Per several media outlets, Moreland and Collier suspended indefinitely for violation of team rules. If I had to guess; failed drug test but reason hasnt been reported yet.

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      Reports also say they are still in school and are allowed to workout on campus so it appears they will be able to work their way back onto the team.

      I’d guess a drug test failure too since they are still in school and allowed to workout.

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        What an f’ing joke. Ralph Miller is rolling in his grave.

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        Really this doesn’t seem like a drug test failure, which I would think would kick you off from anything to do with the team. This doesn’t seem real serious to me, they can still practice, lift, and go to school. It doesn’t seem that serious, maybe a minor issue? However, I have heard that this has been coming for awhile and it could be as much as half the non-conference schedule.

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    Hoping not a failed drug test and this sucks because I was expecting strong seasons from both of them. Why can’t MBB catch a break???!!!

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    Hearing Corey Lawrence is now enrolled at NE Oklahoma A&M (JC) to get his AA degree in two years, then he can reopen his recruitment.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Crap. No we know why OU and OK State didn’t go after him.

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        Yeah, grades were always an issue with him, if he gets his AA he probably goes to one of those two schools. It was a good gamble, if it had worked out, we would have gotten a steal.

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    Well, the Basketball season ended well before it even was able to begin for this upcoming season…Eric Moreland and Devon Collier are indefinitely suspended by Craig Robinson for violating team rules….not sure which team rules they violated, but apparently it was enough to get them kicked off the team…

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/07/oregon_state_basketball_player.html

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      Where’d you hear they were kicked off the team? This could be a get your crap together and ride the bench for the first 4 games kind of thing.

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    The Olive comments are, as usual, off the wall and degenerate into blaming Craig Robinson and Barak Obama for almost everything. Short of bank robbery or car theft can they be punished for something they did during summer vacation? – unless they were both going to summer school. It’s a bloody shame, Moreland worked hard this summer, special coaching etc.

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      I don’t even read the O-Live site anymore because with all the writers they fired, they aren’t worth reading. Besides, the comments are often childish and filled with duck trolls like the jackass duck fans that keep going after Jack…Stay classy Eugene!!

      • Jack says:
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        There’s no way this glorified strip mall they call a town stays classy. Are you kidding?

        This has to be the ugliest town set in the most beautiful place. Grants Pass, Roseburg, Central Point… all better. And it’s not because they tried. Eugene just built on the cheap, and it really really looks like it.

        If it weren’t for the trees, this place would be just another frontage road.

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          Eugene is turning into the sphincter the Oregon “O” must represent…place is looking dirty and rundown. Meanwhile, Corvallis has (slowly) improved. Not that it was ever really dirty or rundown, but there have been nice additions to the downtown area and the campus is clearly superior.

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            I so agree with the comments about urban Eugene. When I lived there – 10 years ago – which is when I became a Beaver fan – the central and westside neighborhoods were being ruined to expedite traffic flow. Everything, as Jack pointed out, was moving along the frontage road. As liberal as the elected city officials were (are?) they couldn’t seem to get a grip on what was happening to their city. And the Sony and Hyundai tax break debacles.

            Still, the riverside bike paths are a fond memory. I hope they haven’t turned them into an expressway.

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            I moved from eugene 8 years ago. People always think of it as a full-blown liberal town, but there’s an interesting mix of groups, including some real hard core, Christian conservatives. I remember elected officials including a couple liberals, but the majority often ended up making pro-development, $ oriented decisions. I remember the stink about the hyundia chip plant, and the opposition talking about how volatile the market it. I think it’s sitting empty, now. The debate and activism, and weird people is what was interesting when I lived there. It was quite a contrast from growing up in a area where people didn’t give two shits about overdevelopment, and paving over the environment. Then they’d just sit back and complain about the problems that came from it.

            I love the cycling infrastructure there. Top notch. True about the ugly architecture.

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            Corvallis is more “liberal” than Eugene. At least, there are more Green Party members than Eugene if that’s your measure.

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            I can see that after living in Corvallis after Eugene. I think Eugene has a high level of activism, and when people see that it gets a big hit on their radar when actually it doesn’t have to be a lot of people doing it.

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            Last I heard, some real estate company bought the Hynix plant and was parceling the buildings to different tenants. I thought the largest building was slated to become a data center. I haven’t heard much on that lately. It’s just one more soul-sucking Eugene property next to a cemetery.

            The newest thing to whine about is the EmX west extension.

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            Yeah one thing I like is that the Oregon State campus is very beautiful and has lots of great historic buildings. Seriously, it’s up there. Too bad recruits don’t really care about that haha.

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            I think a couple of them have mentioned the campus, but I don’t know if it was a deal maker – Jared Cunningham, for one – he first visited in the springtime.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Vote OSU into the finals!: Best new uniform in college football for 2013 http://coachingsearch.com/article.aspx?a=Semifinal-Poll-2-Best-new-uniform-in-college-football-for-2013#.Ufh7IiAqHpg.twitter

    • Jack says:
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      Ummm… whatever?

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      Over 17K votes and OSU is getting hammered. Oh no.

    • beavers4life says:
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      Looks like that “Rebeav”/Rebrand idea wasn’t actually such a great idea? Or at least, the outcome didn’t have the results they had hoped for; ah well…

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        The poll isn’t accurate in anyway. It just means that whoever wins put together enough push by networking fans online and telling them ‘vote for our unis!’

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        If only we had known that the new design wouldn’t win the coachingsearch.com poll for best new unis we could have saved ourselves money and embarrassment. 20/20.

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    OT – some comment on Poyer’s future in Philly:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2013/07/nfl_training_camp_what_theyre_4.html#incart_river

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    Hoping Noke Tago shows some strength and burst this fall that get him into the rotation, even if raw.

    Anybody hear anything about him? How did he look in the spring?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT, but Ducks look to be in fine shape with the D-Line:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2013/07/oregon_ducks_rising_stars_for_4.html#incart_river

    • progressivebeav says:
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      Sorry, but who gives a shit?

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      FTD

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        The never-goes-out-of-style statement, applicable and on topic in any conversation. Apply liberally.

        • Billy says:
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          One of my Beav buddies had plates that read FTHDUX which certainly outdoes my KABVRS plates. When his mother saw them(this is a 35-year old adult) she made him change them. He blames me because I asked her if she had seen them yet and it turns out she hadn’t.He claims the plates are now in Mike’s office. My 91-year old mother would never have figured out what his plates were saying. His mother might not have either so perhaps I am to blame. However, FTHDUX is now probably available again.

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    I’ve been tracking Pittsburgh and Atlanta newspaper websites to see how Wheaton and Jackson/Rodgi are doing. The Steelers are going to a zone blocking scheme which is what I understand OSU runs, and it is described briefly here:

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/offensive-linemen-in-the-zone-697499/

    I’m sure others understood or understand it more than I, but the bit about the RB read on the TE’s block was interesting. I have often thought OSU’s o-line seemed to lack aggressiveness since the days of Scheuning et al, and I thought maybe that was a product of the zone scheme, maybe it’s just been the players…the O-line will be interesting to watch this year and for the next 3 years.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Eggers with some good stuff. Might favorite bits include the following statement from Riley on Skotte:

    “I love Joel as a player,” Riley said. “He had a good spring. The only downfall to him is not much experience, but he has all the makings to become a good player there. He’s a better athlete than Unga and a better football player than (Rueben) Robinson. We don’t have to go backward. We should get better there.”

    And the indication they may go no-huddle sometimes to put pressure on the defense and give the QB more time at the line-of-scrimmage to look at the D

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/158080-beavers-roster-full-of-question-marks

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    • bone says:
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      And good riser Peko qualified and will be up here.

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      Good article. Nice to see Bennett-Jackson get a mention.

      • Bill says:
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        Hope he can make an impact. I see this guy and he looks the part. Maybe this year he can breakout from the bottom of the depth chart.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      How is it possible to be a better football player than RR? A legend.

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        Yeah, that was a pretty coarse filter…that comment cracked me up. It describes everybody on the OSu roster doesn’t it?

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    Barnett signs with the Skins:

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/362917782121218048

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/08/01/analysis-usa-today-sports-coaches-poll-top-25-team-capsules/2603701/

    Beavs #25 in USA Today preseason poll.

    • Bill says:
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      That’s about right.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Agree. No pressure on the James Carville look-alike in Eugene. Chip may have been an a-hole, but the guy could coach.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I have not seen this posted anywhere, Josh Williams has been dismissed off the football team. I think that leaves just Rommel Mageo as your backup MLB?

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      Crap. Well, they’re certainly cleaning house. Must be anticipating a large, awesome recruiting class!

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        That’s a positive spin.

        • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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          Still at work so I can’t start drinking yet. Hence the positivity.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Confirmed at G-T. Not a lot of depth at MLB, some discouraging news on DT too – Lyndon Tulimasealii won’t be here this fall, and

      “Riley said he hadn’t gotten a final word on JC defensive tackles Kyle Peko (Cerritos CC) and Charlie Tuaau (Riverside CC).

      “They’ve just finished summer school classes,” Riley said. “We actually are awaiting news. I would say we’re very hopeful.”

      http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-notebook-riley-still-mum-on-quarterback-situation/article_e9944af8-fb0e-11e2-87e3-0019bb2963f4.html

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        That has familiar ring to it. Do we ever get good news on these situations? Got dissed by the LB from Portland. Sounds like he will be a duck.

        • ObjCritic says:
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          That ridiculous new football facility on the UO campus surpasses most NFL facilities and is going to be huge in recruiting for UO. The ducks have [already had] purchased national status and they aren’t going back anytime soon…typical Duck advertising – “invites” S-I et al for “behind the scenes access” and get free national advertising out of it. Eugene continues to degrade while all things NIke football are becoming national standards for opulence.

          OSU isn’t going to be able to keep up with UO and any CW victories in the foreseeable future will be genuine upsets.

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    OSU’s Facebook page is asking fans to send in their 3rd quarter song to get pumped ip going into the 4th quarter. One fan said “get lucky” by Daft Punk, which I think would be kindof cool. I’m curious what you guys would like to hear.

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    Regarding the original thread topic, the only real questions, barring injury of course, will be the two WR’s opposite Cooks. MR seems to value consistency over big play ability, so I think Cummings will be a starter along with Mullaney. Hopefully Jarmon will get in the rotation and provide some big play potential opposite Cooks. We seem to have a group of really big,talented kids at TE/HB,so I hope the offensive staff has studied the way Captain Comeback used them at Stanford. A great way to break up our somewhat predictable offense and fully utilize our talent, rather than have it stand on the sidelines. Go Beavs!

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      I know there has to be a joke in there somewhere, but I having trouble finding it. Any hints?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    5* running back Joe Mixon just revealed his top 10 via twitter and Beavs are on the list. Other teams include UW, Oregon,Cal, Tennessee, Florida, A&M, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Ohio State. Good company considerimg he has over 50 offers.

    ?PRIMETIME!!!? (@Joe_MainMixon) tweeted at 1:22 PM on Fri, Aug 02, 2013:
    9. Oregon st you’re in my top 10 #GoBeavs
    (https://twitter.com/Joe_MainMixon/status/363394432919277569)

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Yeah I saw that. I have refrained from posting any profiles on him because I saw how many offers and from who were recruiting him and figured we are a very longshot and didn’t want to waste the time. So I am mildly surprised that we made his top 10, which says alot about the program. Although, I still think we are a very big longshot giving our past history with high profile recruits. Who knows though. He is considered the top running back in this years class.

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        Here is a little snippet from an article:

        There aren’t too many surprises with the schools included. Oregon State might look like the one that doesn’t belong to most college recruiting fans, but the Beavers were Mixon’s first scholarship offer, and the big back has a very good relationship with Mike Riley and his coaching staff.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Luck O the Beavs. By some miracle we end up getting a LOI from him and then he does not qualify.

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    This is an interersting little Infographic yhat was linked from Mixon’s Twitter

    Basically showing 4 and 5 starts recruits get to the League if they come to Oregon State.

    https://twitter.com/jasonboydpdx/status/363404847766196224/photo/1

    Of course we get fewer 4 and 5 star kids than every other school in the graph but it still paints a good picture and could sway a few kids.

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    In terms of getting players to the NFL, our system is very good for that. It’s the exact opposite of UO.

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    More on the “performance center” at U of Okay to Cheat.
    http://deadspin.com/oregons-new-football-performance-center-is-a-decaden-975295515
    Their form of recruiting is more like seducing 17 year old boys. Football pedophiles.

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    None of my Beaver players would have been impressed with all that fancy show business stuff, but, then again, they would never recruit any of my players. My guess is that the inflatable helmet will be enough to attract this years class. JB

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Some great Gameday and football season 3 for $25 T-shirts:

    http://osubeaverstore.com/Product/List?category=17695bc3-62b8-443e-91d8-f038c24b9d32&filters=e4b91cf4-0ebd-49c8-8fa2-299533f8294a,21ecf55c-bae4-455d-ab46-5631e2709f38

    Might have to get 3 of the new ‘OSU’ series. This needs to be available in a hat too 🙂

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    For anyone wondering about Mannion’s mental state, don’t worry. It is “safe to assume” that he is not doubting himself mentally and is completely healthy. Straight from Lindsay!

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/08/oregon_state_rising_stars_for_9.html

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    There are good and maybe bad signs for those anticipating and hoping for Tartan endzones this fall. Somewhere on pure-orange a rumor has begun that they will be delayed until 2014. This makes absolutely ZERO sense. You don’t have a 3 year wait for a big rebranding and then scale it in. They also are doing a ton with the tartan print on the official athletics homepage of osubeavers.com right now. Revealing tartan endzones the week before Eastern Washington would have the biggest impact and make it and Hawaii sellouts or darn near.

    The good news is if you look at the tartan designs most used on osubeavers.com video clips, it has the tartan print with a white Oregon State which can be easily seen but still allows the tartan design to be the star. What did they do on 8/3/2013? It looks like they layed a white Beavers and Oregon State on the field but on the opposite sides as used on the Gill resurface. This sets them up to now have the perfect chance to lay down a stunning tartan design that will get OSU nearly as much attention for elite endzones as Washington will get for their 250+ million stadium renovation.

    The potential bad news? Oregon St. is notoriously conservative and safe Black endzones with only the white Oregon State and Beavers like we have seen before could be all we will get. It will be nothing new and a lost opportunity. Your move BDC. The website is pushing the tartan so please deliver the payoff to Beaver Nation!

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    USA today has a season preview for the Beavs. Keep an eye out for the Angrybeavs.com shoutout toward the end.

    http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2615163

  • alex says:
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    Are we going to have a thread on defense depth chart predictions?

    Also, anyone have an update on Peko and/or Tuaau? And is Tuaau really going to play DT at 260?

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      I don’t think we will know until 11am tomorrow, and even then we might have to wait on the clearinghouse, so don’t hold your breath. If they are there and participating that is a good sign, but it doesn’t mean they are out of the woods.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    So just found out tonight that one of my friends works for the architecture firm who built the Phil Knight football operations building down at UofO. Small world. My friend says the excesses in the building that you read about in the papers are just scratching the surface.

    I found some of the quotes in this NY Times story to be a bit telling of the culture at “Nikegon”, as Jack would say.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/03/sports/ncaafootball/oregon-football-complex-is-glittering-monument-to-ducks-ambitions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    “We are the University of Nike,” said Jeff Hawkins, the senior associate athletic director of football administration and operations. “We embrace it. We tell that to our recruits.”

    “People will complain, but this is not excessive,” said Rob Mullens, the university’s athletic director. “This is probably the most complete space in college sports.”

    Well Jack, your Nikegon moniker was spot on.

    • Jack says:
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      I’ve never done it as a slight. I explained before that they wholly foster this idea and have done so for years. My friend at the AD likes the Nikegon monicker more than he does the “University of Nike” because he feels they’re separate from the school in that endeavor, and he feels the school itself is diluted because what they do is not “university” stuff. It’s just sports.

      But he also laughs when I say things like the only good majors there anymore are the ones where you make pretty pictures and sell them… or convince the many that those non-pretty pictures are too cool to be ignored.

      That football center is just out of place where it is. When you’re headed east on MLK you have no idea where you are anymore. It looks like some building in a Robocop movie from outlying future Detroit. Then you get past it and catch a glimpse of the stadium before you lose that to a terraced sapling park on the north rampart… and then there’s the cash cow that is PK Park… with the soccer pitch behind that.

      I can’t really blame them for building all their sports facilities over there. They’re eventually going to eat up all that parking for fields and facilities. They really need new fields for some sports, and they need facilities for all those non-football athletes as well. And they’re trying to move as much as they can off the main campus so they can build much needed facilities for the school itself.

      This is not a rich school in any sense other than sport. Part of that is because of sports. Their bond debt is the highest of any Oregon school as a percentage and a net. They are already at their limit and now have to find a way to fund everything they really need to do to remain a decent school. They’re not land rich like OSU. We’re downright filthy in that area, and not just in the Corvallis area… where we have a massive footprint. The fairgrounds may be about the same distance from either school, but what’s in-between is vastly different. The UO campus is a tiny, piecemeal spot of land with nowhere to go but up. And they can’t afford to do that.

      Btw… it is believed by some that a semi-pro league leasing facility and school association rights from major conference schools is likely. It would not be a bad “donation” to such a facility if it was a future owner or partner in an ownership situation who made such a “donation.”

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