27.Jan.2014 Oh No. More Nepotism on the Horizon?

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Riley isn’t making a decision until after signing day, but it sounds like Gundy might become the QB coach, with Brennen moved to OC.

This rumor makes a lot of sense given Riley’s tendencies.

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  • Jack says:
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    Whatever.

    It’s another Oregon State… missed opportunity.

    So… simmering (albeit tentative) excitement about hoops was shot in the foot this weekend. Now dreams of an OSU football opportunity for change are wasted and deflated.

    What’s next? Are Conforto and Davis going to simultaneously tear ACLs while leg wrestling?

  • bone says:
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    I can’t remember correctly, but wasn’t it discussed a while ago how some were hoping that Brennen would eventually take over as offensive coordinator? Or am I thinking about Bray on the defensive side?

    • Jack says:
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      Probably a fantasy for Bray.

      Brennan may have the mind to one day become an OC then a HC somewhere, even here. But his stint at SJSU wasn’t exactly inspiring. And he has yet to lead a full compliment of WRs here. He’s likely a victim of the Langs/Riley circumstance as far as overall production of his unit. But I don’t see how that really changes if he’s simply promoted. It feels a lot like the Brandon Doman experiment at BYU.

      • hhfs says:
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        I don’t know what more you can ask from a WR coach than to have Wheaton and Cooks.

        Both Wheaton and Cooks got so so so so much better once Brennan arrived. Anyone remember Cooks as a freshman? Pretty average looking, boom then he blows up. Wheaton got time early in his career, as well, but didn’t look incredible until Brennan. Mannion consistently throws to 10+ receivers in a game. Cummings, Mullaney have also improved and were steady #3/#2 WRs. The 2012 WR corps was top 3 in the country and I don’t think 2013 had much of a problem with the pass game. At SJSU he also coached several NFL players including James Jones and has offensive coordinator experience.

        Oh, I’m sorry. He didn’t develop Obum Gwachum. We should fire him.

        Look, are there bigger names? Yup. And maybe there are better candidates but Brennan would be a perfectly good hire. The question would be, how good would his staff replacement at WR/QB be.

        Brennan’s an up & comer, innovative, young, respected and will be a hot name. Foresight tells me to at least give this guy a pay raise. I’m surprised you guys don’t see this.

        • Jack says:
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          I’m not against him. I’m for hiring someone better. Brennan’s hiring and the development of WRs is no different than anyone else previously and the development of WRs in the past. Wheaton and Cooks just happen to be the most talented in a long series of successful WRs to come through Corvallis.

        • angry says:
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          Had Cooks as a 4-star and top prospect. http://angrybeavs.com/rankings/4722

          Not sure how you think he looked average. Wheaton was also a top prospect. Had like 15 offers including USC.

          You’re giving Brennen the credit for those two? I give it to God.

          Anyone know what happened to Trosin? I know he got booted, but he has been productive wherever it was he landed? Really loved his film. Feel he could have been a Welker clone if he got things together. Seemed to be a headcase.

          • Bill says:
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            He was at American River JC, but doesn’t look like he signed anywhere.

          • hhfs says:
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            You saw Cooks as a frosh no? He looked nothing like he did as a Soph+Junior

            Find me better WRs than OSU has had the past 3 years. There’s probably a handful of schools. Stats are cool.

            Good god get off Trosin’s dick, dude was never gonna make it.

            • angry says:
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              It looks like he put up 500 yards and 6TDs in 2012 and had an 81 yard punt return TD.
              2013 he put up 825 yards and 16TDs plus a 91 yard punt return TD.
              http://www.cccaastats.org/sports/fball/2013-14/players/tylertrosin081f
              I believe that was technically his sophomore year, so he can still do some things.
              Good to see he’s producing.

              BTW, “he’s never going to make it” where? Just for posterity…

            • angry says:
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              Dude, where’d you go?

              26 TDs (including rushing and punt returns) over two years and just a junior next year. So I want to hear, for the record, why and where he’s never going to make it.

              To answer your question: Cooks looked great on film. He also looked great as a freshman given his limited role and modest playing time. Anyone with an average eye for talent should have been able to see Cooks coming.

            • angry says:
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              That’s what I thought.

  • hhfs says:
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    I have no problem with Brennan at OC. This is the type of guy you guys will be flipping out over when he leaves OSU for a bigger program. He’s everything you want in a coach and he’d be cost effective.

    Gundy at QB Coach seems more questionable. I don’t doubt that he’s knowledgeable, I don’t doubt that he’s put in the time and deserves it and I don’t doubt that he’ll make a good coach. But a lot of candidates fill those categories, hoping we choose the best guy for the job not just easiest guy to choose.

    Who will become OSU’s recruiting coordinator? Could become a big job if we hire the right person should Gundy move to staff.

    • Jack says:
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      I just don’t like it when the best words we can come up with to describe a hire are safe, easy, cost effective, “knows the system” and potential. I want to use words like proven, experienced, successful, leader, dynamic and “a steal.”

      • hhfs says:
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        Brennan is an absolute steal. He knows the system ,but he also has a more pass heavy history (I still consider OSU to have a balanced pro style offense even if it doesn’t actually have balance), has PROVEN to be a great recruiter and PROVEN to be a SUCCESSFUL developer of talent. At his age he is a DYNAMIC STEAL. I don’t know what his leadership abilities are but he is a great communicator.

        Would you rather we hire a Dennis Erickson type? That worked wonders for Utah’s offense.

        • Bill says:
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          My prediction – He goes outside the family for the hire. I think there will be plenty of guys applying for the job. Major Applewhite is a guy who could fit the role Jack is looking for. But who knows if he has any interest.

          • hhfs says:
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            that role being extremely expensive?

            • Jack says:
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              I’m not sure what expense has to do with it. We can afford to pay a dedicated ST coach who does no recruiting more than a quarter-mil per year. Certainly our OC should be more valuable than that.

              Someone like Mike Groh might be too expensive for what I view as necessary for this position. He’s a monster recruiter, and he had one decent year at UVA as an OC. But has he learned enough from Saban and Trestman to parlay his skills into being an OC who warrants a BCS position?

              An old-timer from an NFL team or from higher NCAA ranks coming to Corvallis to settle down would be good for the coaching end. But we’d always have to wonder about the dedication to the grind that is recruiting. Perry has been good. Is he the norm, or did his connections in SoCal really help him more than anticipated?

              A young up-and-comer would have the recruiting energy but not the OC chops necessary for a BCS job. Sure, we can get one on the cheap. But this isn’t a learn on the job opportunity. It’s a job.

              And if stability is what you’re looking for, then a Perry type hire would be te best of the above three options. With Riley hanging around for another decade, the new OC will not be looking at internal promotion… if successful. So it turns into a situation where you’ll have to pay enough to at least respect the skill of the hire.

              So when I was frustrated with Langsdorf some years ago, I knew just being frustrated wasn’t going to be a good conversation. I knew I had to research and come up with viable alternatives which satisfied a variety of parameters, one them being cost.

              I identified several needs for the position. The new coach needed to stress academics and family first. He needed to identify, evaluate and recruit PSAs who fit his system. His system needed to mesh with Riley’s system and make it tilt more to run oriented offense (I was frustrated at that time that we eschewed running the ball for more passing and were failing as a result). He needs to have the demeanor and passion for football that would fit with Riley himself. This would only come from experience. He would need to have the chops to institute his plan without questions but the patience and tolerance to accept necessary changes when instructed. And he needs to have demonstrated success as a proven leader of a large group of young men.

              And if we can do it for less money, that would be nice too.

              The argument that I introduced my pick for replacing Langs (actually, for demoting him to QB coach) was a thread about giving up on the pro-set altogether and going spread. My argument was that we should take the opportunity provided by everyone else going spread to take ourselves back to our roots before we lost them. We needed to rededicate ourselves to a run first pro set with the usual outstanding QB/WR/TE play we always had. At that time, Stanford was in this process still. So Wisconsin was my model.

              I got to looking at how Alvarez got the ball rolling at UW, and I looked at coaches who employed similar schemes and ideas. It was normal to look at his coaching tree for this. I found Leipold after his second DIII championship and third straight appearance in the Stagg Bowl. I watched tape of is teams and his interviews. I just liked what I saw out of the guy and is program. And now he has just tacked on another three championships in four years.

              And when it comes to cost… he gets $100k per year right now. So maybe offering to triple his salary would draw him away from the bucolic life of DIII perennial championships.

          • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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            Why in the F*CK would we want Major Applewhite?

  • bendbeaver says:
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    Rumors or do you have a mole in the AD?

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Meh. Wouldn’t surprise me. However it will take multiple losing seasons to put any pressure on this staff and seeing as we will be perennial 6-6 (with and “excellent 8-4 season to get the Pollyannas ‘batin like teenage boys discovering porn) squads from this point on this move won’t matter. Maybe Bob DeCarolis will get struck by lightning and we can make waves. If there is one positive about this I believe Brennan has a toughness about him that might be the shot in the arm we need- Langsdorf was a spineless non-entity that would abandon the run at the first sign of resistance. What we need is an OC that will hold Coach Cav accountable for the terrible run blocking regardless of who is picked.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Brennan/Gunderson would be disappointing. New blood please!

  • beaverkman says:
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    It would be a good reward for Gundy who has done a good job at recruiting coordinator. So, if this does go down Luke that then it would depend on who they hire for Gundy’s old job. Guess he could teach qb’s how to throw the “wobble” ?

  • Jeff says:
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    Brennan might be a perfectly good candidate and may be a great coach but this program needs some outside blood. At this point the groupthink has reached epic proportions. Sometimes you need to bring in a fresh perspective. This staff needs it BADLY….

  • beaverkman says:
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    Check out @HollingsworthLJ’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/HollingsworthLJ/status/427978298694455296

    JC DE commits.

      • osbeavs says:
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        Didn’t watch all of the film but flipping through it looks like he is tough, has a good motor and good speed. I didn’t see anything to indicate how he tackles in space, most everything was bull rush/free release. In the PAC he is going to get optioned a lot and need to break down/tackle in space.

        • Beavblazer says:
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          Here’s a clip of Hollingsworth from a camp in 2011. Was a little small then but shows good form and focus. Sounds like he’s quite a bit bigger now too.

      • Jack says:
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        “Oregon State has always been resourceful when recruiting potential athletes. They search high and low and try not to leave any stone left unturned.”

        I could swear these exact words are the teaser for a new recruit every time I follow a link to that site. Question: If you don’t leave any stone left unturned, does that mean you do leave stones unturned? Or does that mean once you turn over all stones you turn them all over again?

        • angry says:
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          Haha. So true. They have been writing that same line since ’03.

        • Beavergopher says:
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          I think it means that like Charlie Brown on Halloween, Beaver fans got a rock.

        • steveEbeaver says:
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          “they TRY not to leave…” kinda like trying to run a balanced offense.

        • helmsley says:
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          Or if they only try not to leave any stone unturned, some surely are. I think there is a lot of leeway in trying – anything.

          • Jack says:
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            I’m just trying to figure out the process of leaving any stone left unturned. Apparently others left the stone unturned, and we also left them that way?

            • helmsley says:
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              I’m going to leave this topic now but as I do, I wonder if the high stones differ from the low stones. A new * rating system perhaps.

      • hhfs says:
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        recruited by Stanford out of high school, OSU was first to realize he could graduate early and so no one else recruited him. Much like McMaryion. No story here.

        • angry says:
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          So he’s awesome..a 5-star stanford recruit. Is that your analysis? Commit something to writing.

      • Jack says:
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        I can’t say I don’t like a kid who knows the internet exists.
        http://lukejhollingsworth.com/2011_Season.html

        It looks like he was undersized in HS, and he needed another year to bulk up. He’s a 4×3, so we have time with him.

    • Beavblazer says:
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      Squirrel!

  • Beavblazer says:
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    New Beaver strength and conditioning coach?

    Juan Martinez (@martinej70) tweeted at 2:53 PM on Mon, Jan 27, 2014:
    Finally got the offer letter, officially assistant S&C coach with Oregon State Beavs

  • Jack says:
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    In my list of complete guesses for OC on the previous thread I forgot one:

    The luck o’ the Beavs: Dan Hawkins

  • rsteve503 says:
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    Cant see Riley doing anything outside his system. He’ll pick someone who fits in, not someone who might innovate.

    We are stuck in a groove…….. a rut………maybe a valley of despair…… LOL

  • Jack says:
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    So this is what a full year of ACL rehab looks like.

    • JD says:
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      Do the Beavers have a shot at this kid???

      • Jack says:
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        We do.

        He sat out his entire junior season and the whole AAU summer to rehab his knee. And it looks like he was very serious about rehab. He’s better than he was before the injury.

        Nikegon and UCLA went after him as a plan B before the early signing period. But they got their plan A players signed. And UCLA has added more since. UA had him in over the holidays, but nothing came of that. Cal fan thinks he’s a lock there, but I think he’s leaning our way now.

        The problem with him is going to be grades. I think UA and Cal backed off because they have targets of equal or better value (in their minds) within reach and without the academic issue. I’m not sure if he’s Coach Rob’s first priority. But watching just the tape makes me think he’s what CR always wants and gets for a power/combo big. Moreland’s development may also play a role in how he sees our system. As much as we all hate our best rebounder dribbling the ball 30′ from the hoop, that is enticing for kids who all want to be the next LeBron.

        If he’s truly committed to his academics the way he committed to rehab, then he can be an outstanding SA wherever he ends up. Like many kids, his frosh and soph grades are likely the culprits for dragging his GPA into questionable territory.

        The other target who might be plan A or B is Jeff Garrett from Oldsmar. He’s going to visit in the next month, and he’ll make a commitment soon. So I’m not sure which one Coach Rob is targeting as A or B.

        But damn! Oliver makes playing above the rim look easy and smooth. I think I’d go to a full season just to watch him play.

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Sounds like the Olson kid from Eden Prairie, MN that visited last week will not be getting an offer from the U of Minnesota. They got a commitment from a kid from Ohio last night. So if Cav and MR
    want him they will probably get him. Go Beavs!

    • Beavblazer says:
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      https://twitter.com/Coach_Riley/status/428202111235395584

      Sounds like Riley is taking his BeaverBarrage to MN to get the job done

      Mike RileyVerified account ?@Coach_Riley

      Headed to Minnesota, looking forward to getting to work with @CoachCavOSU! #GoBeavs #BeaverBarrage

      • Beavergopher says:
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        Mike. Call me dude! Beer and burgers on me. I will get you straightened out with the staff and play calling issues.

        • rsteve503 says:
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          ….and he waits and waits……but the call never comes!

          Hey, maybe the phone batt went dead….or he was in a dead zone…..

          • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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            I’m guessing that do it the right way Riley isn’t interested in beavergopher because he doesn’t fit the family atmosphere mold. Turned over the rock saw, was under it, turned it back over and moved on to the next rock.

      • Jack says:
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        I like the Olson kid. He looks like a meat and potatoes type of hoss. I’d like to hear from other schools regarding why he’s not being offered.

        • Beavergopher says:
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          He still may get a last minute offer from Minnesota if another local kid, Frank Ragnow, signs with FSU. Ragnow is a legit 4 star so they are waiting on him. Supposedly will announce on Friday.
          Bama poached a kid who became the #1 center from one of the St. Paul burbs. That was our dream
          O-line class as we have the # 2 rated center from Texas as a way early commit. Jerk Saban screwed that up.

      • Jack says:
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        So I figured Riley and Cav were in Minnie for a reason. Kaleb McGary is not going to choose OSU.

        But hey! At least we got Kolton Miller… wait.

        • Beavergopher says:
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          He came to pick my brain for the OC position. I am sworn to secrecy, but I did tell him to knock off the “finding our identity bullshit.” Cav laughed and MR said he prefers the term bull doo doo, but the point was well taken.

  • whatever says:
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    I very seriously doubt this.

    Riley doesn’t think much of Gunderson as a coach and rightly so. He’s an admin guy.

    There was a lot of paranoia about Riley getting all nepotistic before hiring Rod Perry. I expect more braying from the fear-mongers in this case too.

    • Jack says:
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      It’s intentional and pre-emptive braying.

      We have learned to set our expectations low so we can be happy about the hire. If we explore and illuminate all the negative aspects of a situation, then the silver lining will be much more apparent when the real decision comes down.

      • whatever says:
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        Sure.

        • Jack says:
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          What else is it gonna be? I care enough about sports to know where it belongs priority-wise. If I truly cared enough to think being a fan defined who I was, then I would be one morose person. I didn’t learn during the 28 years (and the 22+1? for hoops) to become so emotionally attached that I think any of this really affects me, my family or anything important. I get grumpy when our teams play poorly due to lack of effort and consistently repeated mistakes. But that only lasts about a half hour after a game where that occurs. For instance, I wasn’t grumpy after the CW this year despite the loss. I didn’t like losing, but I saw effort in the loss. In fact, I ran the gamut of negative emotion as soon as we scored because I already knew Banker’s D would play soft and allow the score. So I didn’t even flinch or bow my head when Nikegon scored.

          It’s a way of life, being a Beav. But it’s not personally defining beyond being strong and defiant in the face of loss. If it were, I wouldn’t be talking. I’d be doing.

          • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            it’s the way of the beav

            • Jack says:
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              Ohhhmm….

            • whatever says:
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              I guess I just exactly don’t grok the dichotomy of people on here spouting off about how the program has a losers mentality, while mindlessly parrot-trolling the most negative stance on every topic, no matter how unlikely.

              • Jack says:
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                I challenge you to find parrot trolling on here.

                Pretty much everyone here has their own mind. Some of them are repetitive as hell. But that doesn’t qualify as parroting. And I would like for OSU to shut them up as much as you would like for them to just shut up.

                • rsteve503 says:
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                  I know a guy, has a parrot. Mean damn bird — Has clipped wings so cant fly, but if it doesnt like you, will climb out of the cage (door usually open), climb down the stand, walk across the floor and bit the hell out of you.

                  Sure the talk on here can get repetitive, but that doesnt mean the criticism or remarks arent on point…..just that the athletic department usually just grinds along without addressing problems.

                  • Jack says:
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                    Parrott trolling refers to everyone doing the same thing. That means I get plus marks for everything I write.

                    We would first need a leader to become sheeple. Can you imagine trying to lead this motley crew?

                  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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                    I follow no man.

                    When the last deer disappears into the morning mist,
                    When the last elk vanishes from the hills,
                    When the last buffalo falls on the plains,
                    I will hunt mice for I am a hunter and I must have my freedom.

                  • Jack says:
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                    We live, we die, and like the grass and trees, renew ourselves from the soft clods of the grave. Stones crumble and decay, faiths grow old and they are forgotten but new beliefs are born. The faith of the villages is dust now…but it will grow again….like the trees. May serenity circle on silent wings and catch the whisper of the winds.

                • Beavergopher says:
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                  “Polly want a cracker. Rahhhh”

              • Jack says:
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                And I don’t think you understand grok. I’ve been here for years, and there is nothing intuitive about this group as a whole.

              • rsteve503 says:
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                So your “dichotomy” refers to what? You mention only the angry beavs folks. I assume the other half of your dichotomy are the pollyannas who parrot troll the athletic dept’s mantra that all is well, ….and, like you, sneak in here on occasion to berate us for wanting better….

                And your “negative stance on EVERY topic” shows you dont actually read this blog.

  • Jack says:
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    Just looked at twitter, and apparently Juco CB Demarlon Morris committed a couple hours ago.
    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/o/402703/highlights/61367376

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Link to audio of Langsdorf’s conference call on the 27th.

    Thanks to BeaverBeliever on PO for this link.
    https://soundcloud.com/danforthdirt-sprague/langsdorf-goodbye

    FWIW at no time did I hear anything out of Langsdork’s mouth which indicated that Riley had anything to do with him getting this job nor did I hear anything which made me think that Langsdork is the brightest bulb in the box. Not the dimmest either but…..

    Don’t care for the Giants so this move is fine by me.

    • Jack says:
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      My first inclination was to disbelieve that rumor. And I don’t think it’s constructive to feed the conspiracy by bringing it up time and again or responding to those who do so.

      But if it were true, would he tell the truth and burn that bridge?

  • doug says:
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    the cowboys filled all their offensive pieces, leaving the OC from Nevada ( a hot comodity) is now available and a very good possibility!

  • Mb says:
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    You cannot mean Bill Callahan, ex Nebraska coach? Nevada has not had good offensive coaching since Ault retired.

  • Beavergopher says:
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    No to Billy C.

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    I wonder if MR’s Beaverjuice froze last night? Hip, hip….

  • Jack says:
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    Cool side by side analysis of college WRs:
    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46136/349/peshek-wr-metrics-20

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      Thanks for providing the link – nice to see the breakdown of Cooks and how OSU’s offense wouldn’t necessarily provide a stonger yard after catch number. (40% comback routes)

      Of course this just reminds me how much we are going to miss him next year.

      Out of what we have coming back from receiving corps who would most likely be our #1 WR? Bolden? Gilmore?

      • Beavergopher says:
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        Mullaney. Probably be a lot more TE centric given the talent coming back at that position.

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          I wouldn’t mind seeing a prolific offense with two tight ends, maybe something similar to the Patriots…(only without the injuries or murder).

  • progressivebeav says:
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    Some cool clips, but who writes this shit?

    • Beavergopher says:
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      No political rants, so we can eliminate Jack as the author. My money is on PBH.

    • Jack says:
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      I’m sorry, but if we’re a home team in the CWS I don’t want to bat in the bottom of the 9th.

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        But if we are in that scenario, Conforto isn’t a bad option to have at the plate. And I’m assuming the score is tied.

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    Last weekend of recruiting and some interesting visitors coming,

    DE/DT – Nifae Lealao – Decommitted from Stanford. Legit 4 star recruit. Many offers but chose OSU as his last visit. I’m guessing they play up the faith/family angle.

    OL – Kammy Delp – Decommitted from ASU. Interesting that Scout has him as a high 3 star, while ESPN has him as a low 3 star and rivals is grading him as mid 3 star.

    FB – Ryan Nall – Commit. I’m not sure about him at FB. He doesn’t have that suddenness that a FB would need when clearing the way. It takes him a little bit to build up to his top speed. But when he does reach top speed, he is a battering ram.

    22 commits and still after Lealao and Delp. McGary eliminated OSU earlier today.

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      By my count we have 24 commits not counting Juco CB Demarlon Morris mentioned above.

      Forums: VERBAL: Demarlon Morris goes black and orange http://t.co/y8J1sl2RRm #beavers— Scout Beavers (@ScoutBeavers) January 29, 2014

      • Beavergopher says:
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        Delp is one big kid. It would be nice to have road grader type to help our run game.

        • Jack says:
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          He’s not really a road grader. He’s really slow and relies on his arms and weight a lot.

          • Beavergopher says:
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            Needs a year to get the fat off him and build strength.

            • Jack says:
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              And then learn technique?

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                Sure. Ideally O-line guys shouldn’t see the field until their RS Soph years. Get a couple years of S&C
                and technique training before being thrown into the fray. One of my biggest beefs with Riley is the under recruiting at that position so we are always in crisis mode if we get a couple of injuries.

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                  Agreed on the recruiting tendencies. I would also say the same of DTs. So I would rather have Lealao. And he won’t have to wait until is RS soph year to see the field. I guess technically he could stand anywhere on the sideline and see the field. They may have to put him on the field just so the student section can see the game.

                  Anyway… when it comes to recruiting Olinemen, I would rather see different types of projects. If you can find the giant who carries 300+ pounds naturally, is athletic and already has good technique, obviously that’s a good get. Next on the list will be large frame guys with athleticism and good technique and within the 265-285 weight range. It’s easy to refine technique while adding moderate weight and strength.

                  But you’re asking for a kid to first spend time getting down to that weight so he can put good weight on while learning technique I don’t see him as ever being taught before. And I don’t see him using his legs at all. That tells me he doesn’t know how to be athletic, let alone just being athletic.

      • Jack says:
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        24 including Morris. Keenan signed last year.

      • Bill says:
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        Yeah, I missed Hollingsworth and Morris. Went with ESPN’s list.

        I actually think the staff lands Lealao bc why would he pick OSU as his last visit if he wasn’t seriously interested? Not sure if that would be enough to make the class respectable but it sure would make a difference.

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          So what happens if Leolao wants to play for us? Do we pull an offer? I haven’t followed recruiting very closely in the past so not sure how teams handle this sort of thing, but I’m assuming they would somehow make room for a late 4* commit.

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            I’m thinking there are academic casualties in this class somewhere. We used to sign them anayway then grey shirt them or just watch them go the Juco route. But now that you can only sign 25 in a calendar year, poor academics don’t allow for that kind of loophole if you want to fill out your class.

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              Tennessee, Florida St, Miami are among schools in the top 10 (2014 recruiting class) that have 26+ commits listed. Not sure your 25 cap rule is correct.

              • Jack says:
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                You’re right. It’s 28 signees between signing day and May 1st (the signing period). The SEC tightened its signing to 25 within the period between Dec. 1 and May 31. But some schools are taking advantage of the NCAA rule which allows PSAs to sign grants in aid beginning Aug.1.
                http://knoxblogs.com/evanseleven/2013/12/05/has-butch-jones-found-a-recruiting-loophole-vols-could-use-complex-stragegies-to-manage-brimming-class/

                Regardless, a school can only add 25 players per calendar year, with winter enrollment counting against the previous year if an NLI or GIA is signed in that previous year AND if the school had less than 25 signees in that same year. Keenan fits those parameters, so he doesn’t count against this year. We currently have 25 committed to sign or signed (Del Rio). That leaves two more potential signings and only 24 of the 27 who might sign next week can be here in the fall, with the other three counting against next year.

                And then there’s figuring out how to get under 85 ships for the season.

    • Jack says:
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      Who was the Riley tweet about? IAGDTBAB two hours ago.

      Olson? Is that 25, and recruiting is done except for circling the wagons and fighting off poachers?

      Are any current commits going to not sign due to academics?

      • Jack says:
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        It was Olson.

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            I hadn’t checked twitter until just a while ago, or I would have seen this one early this morning.

            Hey BG… I predict Ragnow will be wearing a darker shade of red next year. :)

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              If you want specifics, I also predict the school he picks has secondary colors of gold and white.

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                You may be right. Nobody knows. Seems like the kid has become addicted to the attention and being a celebrity with the local sports fans. Being a double rodent I am conditioned to disappointment. Kid is a prototypical tackle and a decent b-ball player, so he would be a huge get and a big loss from a PR standpoint. It would really be kick to the sack to lose the two top O-line prospects to Bama and FSU. Don’t they have enough talent down south?

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            Weird seeing this name on a Beaver site. Major tool. I am not talking about the kid BTW.

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        Machado saying it’s Olson

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          but looks like you knew that already….

        • Bill says:
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          Olson is a project. Much in the sense that Enger was. Needs at least 3 years to fill out and gain a lot of strength to see anytime on the field.

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    Keenan (complete with neck roll), Morris and Hollingsworth can plug into the depth chart now. If you include Del Rio, they are getting 3 decent qb prospects. Linebackers seem bigger and faster than the previous 2 years (and this is where they have been weakest by far). Clarkson is a tough sob. If you can run for 1800 yds in 8 games against some of the best teams in Norcal/Sac, then you (Ross) are a stud no matter how many damn stars are assigned to you. This could be a reasonably decent crop.

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      I don’t see many on this list that will come in right away and play. I think the ones that do are special teams guys, Sanders, Ugwoegbu, Soesman. I do think they did a good job at Safety, and the Linebackers are special but they are better slightly than what they brought in last year. I do like the Hawaiian guys as well. I like Clarkson and Roberts I think they could be good in a few years.

      But outside of that I have some real question marks. Guyton looks like the best receiver who has decent size, assuming TCU doesn’t come in and poach him. But other than that I don’t see anything special from the class. Harris Ross looks to be the real deal, but I don’t think he is better than what we have. I fail to see how McMariyon and Mitchell will make a difference, other than the fact that McMariyon can run scout qb for spread offenses and I think that is important.

      Getting Del Rio is super huge, and I doubt Kline comes here now, but he is a difference maker. But offensively, we really are lacking at WR, and who really knows at OL? DT they have not been able to bring anybody in consistently. I would have liked to have seen at least 1 or 2 more there. RB is okay with one good solid one, with what we having coming back. But no TE’s? I know, I know there is plenty on the depth chart, but how many did we see go down last year? There is a huge drop off from Hamlett to Perry.

      CB’s are not a team need, but I have a tough time looking at the guys they brought in seeing how they will contribute.

      I hope we can keep getting transfers like Del Rio, Gimble, and Kline to come here after they initially sign somewhere else? That’s a little pathetic but its all we got.

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        Not sure why Kline would perceive anyone on the depth chart as a big threat. Once Mannion leaves, there will be no one with any game experience but Kline. He should see that as a big advantage.

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        I also don’t see much in the way of immediate help. Morris may play, but I see Keenan and Hollingsworth taking a red shirt year. Maybe Keenan gets time due to depth issues. But I hope our line stays healthy this year.

        I thought two QBs was overkill before Del Rio showed up. I don’t see both lasting. Does McMaryion become the next Seneca Wallace?

        I like Ross at RB. One good get a year should do. I also like Nall if we institute some West Coast plays for the FB and work him into the plays we already have set. Both can be steals in time.

        Guyton and Sanders look good for big bodied WRs. I still wonder about Guyton’s grades though. And if Hawkins is as fast as his reported clock at the Tenn camp last summer (4.34), then he’ll find the field eventually. But I don’t spend much time worrying about WRs at OSU.

        Keenan is decent. Clarkson is a stud. And Demogerontas and Olson both look like good developmental players who will be good or better in the future. I would trade one QB for another solid one here though.

        For once, I’m close to really liking our Dline class. Houston, Ewing and Williams all look pretty good. Vakameilalo looks like he can wreak some havoc in the middle. He has natural strength. So let’s see what happens once he finally hits a weight room. And the aforementioned Hollingsworth has the size to contribute early, but I’m thinking either RS or special teams for next year. What would make me really like this Dline class would be Lealao. He and Vakameilalo in the middle could make me look like a good DE.

        For LB, I like Liuchan and Willis. I think they’re both vastly underrated. They look like Doctor and Alexander 2.0. I don’t like that the in-state schools weren’t chasing Willis early. That says grades to me. But since they’ve been sniffing around recently maybe his transcript is looking good? I haven’t really watched Fisiiahi, but he certainly looks like solid, hard-nosed player.

        Soesman and Morris may contribute early, Morris more so I think. I also am really starting to like Hayes. I haven’t watched Williams’ tape, and I’m just not sold on what I could find and watch on Ugwoegbu.

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          I forgot about Knight. I think he’s going to be a TE isn’t he? He looks like a good athlete. He certainly has more speed than our normal TEs usually have.

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            I think he is listed as a TE on Rivals, 247 has him as OL. But at 225lb you think more TE.

            My point (IMO) is that the class is not an upgrade on what we have right now. The OL needs to be really improved from where it has been the past few seasons, and it has some inexperience. I don’t see the guys coming in providing an upgrade at those positions. Now they may develop into fine players in a few years.

            The only place where I can see an upgrade might be Vakameilalo at DT. I could see the Safeties coming in being better than Zimmerman. I agree with you the LB’s look to be even with Doctor and Alexander. Harris Ross seems to be even with what we have at RB.

            At DE, and CB I don’t see any upgrades or even. At WR I don’t see any upgrades and it might be even with guys like Gilmore and Bolden. Same at TE and OL. I think the transfer at QB helps, but I think the QB’s committed are on par with Vanderveen and Kempt.

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              I think Guyton is a sleeper. I think most if not all of the Texas schools are giving him interest now, so I’d worry about him getting poached. Some of the sites have upgraded him to a 4*.

            • Jack says:
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              It’s hard to find upgrades at a lot of positions. Even if Guyton will be great, is he an upgrade over Cooks? Size maybe? He’s just different. Ewing, Williams, Houston and Holllingsworth equal immediate and future depth and development. They alone do not equal an upgrade. I wouldn’t call them even with Crichton going either. But they have the potential to be even over time. What makes them better is Vakameilalo and the potential for one more good DT in the class. That would give us three levels of DT development with the Juco kids being seniors, Bennett-Jackson, Tago and Grimble in the middle and Vakameilalo and one more (crossing my fingers) incoming. We haven’t had that kind of beef since 2006 with Booth, Coker, Siegert and Lee. Better still, once the Juco kids leave, we’ll still have the depth.

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                It looks like there’s still at least 2 more Juco DT’s we’re going after, and Kyle the Creator is still saying he’ll be in Corvallis this spring.

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                You forgot to consider the “LOTB” factor in your projection of DT depth.

                At least one of the Juco seniors will be lost for the season due to a season ending injury.

                At least one of the seniors (Bennet-Jackson, Tago or Grimble) will be lost due to mysterious season ending illness (Mono, Chicken-pox, Flesh eating bacteria, Whooping Cough: take your pick)

                At least one of the incoming recruits won’t qualify academically, will go to Juco, dominate at that level, then transfer to another Pac-12 school the next year and become an instant all conference starter.

                In the training room, Obum will drop a weight on the toe of one of his D-line teammates during the summer, breaking said toe and causing 6 weeks of lost time to recovery.

                Peko won’t qualify academically.

                Beavs will be forced to convert on O-line recruit to D-line in training due to the lack of depth.

                We haven’t had that kind of beef since……2013.

                That sounds more realistic.

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                  “At least one of the seniors (Bennet-Jackson, Tago or Grimble) will be lost due to mysterious season ending illness (Mono, Chicken-pox, Flesh eating bacteria, Whooping Cough: take your pick).”

                  While Tago is not a senior, I agree with this – one of them will drop 60 lbs but come back in time for the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl.

                  “In the training room, Obum will drop a weight on the toe of one of his D-line teammates during the summer, breaking said toe and causing 6 weeks of lost time to recovery.”

                  Obum “Dropum” would do exactly this, which would also increase his chances of playing time….”It’s a weird deal,” said a befuddled Riley, “this is like, the third DL to suffer a weight room injury. We’re gonna just have to ask Obum to step up and play this weekend, ready or not.”

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          Coming from 2A school in a town of about 4K people Ewing is going to be making a big adjustment. 2A? Kinda funny to watch him run through and over the smaller players. The adjustment won’t be impossible but it will likely be significant. He has good size and will undoubtedly benefit from the weight room

          http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/01/signing_day_countdown_oregon_s_18.html

          Agree about the comment elsewhere that Gunderson has primarily been an administrator. Between that recent focus of his work and the fact his NCAA experiences are completely in-house, I think he’d actually downgrade the coaching quality at QB. Unless he has been attending coaching camps or other professional development opportunities of which I would obviously be unaware.

          • Jack says:
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            Ewing looks a lot like Braun did in HS, but with a little more speed. Don’t misapply is talents to the Oline for two years, and he can be better than Braun was on D in his later years.

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              I worry that he camped at Iowa and did not get an offer. Ferentz has made a living from this type of kid. They usually find a space for the home state kid. Time will tell.

              • Jack says:
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                Ferentz has been missing a lot lately, especially on the trench players and blue collar skills.

                All I can imagine is that Olson didn’t “test” well at camps and is considered a system player. Those testing numbers are what a program can enhance through development. If he becomes a system lineman at OSU, I won’t mind that. I like him and Demogerontas for this reason. Getting a couple baseline Oline recruits for development and future depth is good when you add an elite (or near) player like Clarkson. The one that bothers me is Moore. He’s coming in light at 250#. That doubles the project aspect for him.

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    http://thefootballbrainiacs.com/jonathan-willis-best-kept-secret-in-the-state-of-oklahoma

    Hopefully he doesn’t get poached. An interesting note from the article is about how he didn’t go to many camps. I wonder how much of an influence that actually has on star rankings.

  • Jack says:
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    Hey BG…

    Robert Olson… the next Matt Birk?

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      Only if he decides to go to Harvard. If he turns out to be half the player Birk was, we will all be happy little Beavers.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    S-I’s take on recruiting classes of the Pac-12, a mostly useless article that implies player value based primarily on the interest of other teams, even if the interest did not result in an offer, for example, in speaking of WSU’s class, S-I writes:

    “The best of the bunch may be Milpitas, Calif., product Squally Canada, who garnered interest from Oregon and an offer from Oregon State.”

    Nothing about his height, weight, speed, vision, receiving ability, cut back ability, high school production, etc., just that Oregon showed interest and OSU made an offer….and you KNOW how discerning is OSU…

    http://college-football.si.com/2014/01/30/signing-day-2014-primer-pac-12/

    • mb says:
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      I noticed the same thing. It’s all about what the other guy covets. Rumor and innuendo. That is how these damn stars get awarded. Myles Jack was barely a three star . Boom, both Washington and UCLA show an interest and now he is a four star when he should have been a five star all along. Harris Ross had a much superior season, is bigger and runs harder than Canada. Canada may turn out to be a stud. But his value is based on previous interest from O and OS, and all because he attended certain camps.

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    Is Christian Martinek supposed to play any football or is he just strictly baseball now?

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