Just re-posting what I posted about Collins towards the end of the last thread, in case anybody missed it.
I’ve read he cam’t sign with oregon necaise of Oregon hiring former Jefferson HS coach Johnson to their staff. I think it was Nemec who said his former HS players cannot go to oregon now, and there are a few who could potential be Beavs.
I think our chances are decent to be in his top 3, when Collins announces his top 3 list May 1st. From there, it will be a tough battle to land him and also hang onto him. He’s a pretty impressive athlete. Saw him play in person earlier this year and he definitely stood out.
If I had to put a percentage on it, I can’t go above 50/50 at this time. But that still would mean we’re very much in the conversation currently
@BleedOrange – You doing any farming? I have a good friend on big island who’s been living the simple life for about 15 years. Hes more on grid these days cause of his daughters but he had a pretty awesome fruit and animal farm. I don’t think he’s worn underwear in 2 decades.
Lol. No big time farming just enough for us. I live with an old Hawaiian up north and his family comes up a lot to help with maintaining the property. We have pigs, chickens, lemons,coconuts, papaya, dragonfruit,carrots,cucumber, peppers,lettuce, goats. Were setup pretty good for this whole situation. There isn’t running water up here so were not able to have to large of a garden. It’s really low maintenance though. Everything thrives out here as long as you have water.
Agree…. his commercials are for primary consumption will pivot for the general. The R wing nuts don’t like him because he’s open minded on choice. Has to be better than Trump puppet Walden.
I went to schools Knute’s brother, Mark and we played Babe Ruth on the same team. Ka-Nute used to come to our practices and we’d flick him crap and called him Ka-Nute from that point on. Nice family and very, very intelligent. Kah-Nute!!!!!
We are visiting our vacation home near Sisters. As such I saw this commercial for the first time on the local channel Bend 21. My first thought was that it was an SNL skit as it’s so ridiculous. Turns out this guy is a “carpet bagger” from Portland from an old socially prominent westside family. He is staying at a family vacation home in Tumalo. He has no political experience and is solely trying to ride Trump’s coattails. Public records indicate that he has never even had a hunting license until 2019.
Agree home fry, the odds of the congressional district turning blue are good, eventually. Affluent, educated people are flocking to central Oregon.
I have two friends, retired Portland lawyers, that have retired, here, in central Oregon. They think this guy is a total cartoon. They and their wifes will add at least four blue votes that weren’t in this area in 2016.
Only the “proper type” moving to Central Oregon I’m sure. Affluent and educated. Because Republicans cant possibly be that right? And of course those good folks vote blue! Because if you are an R you are not of the proper mindset. Most likely poor, uneducated, and an all around dolt. Yeah we get it. Myself I am quite happy to have some red on my neck. Keeps me honest.
Your right, the district may very well turn blue. Lots of Californians moving north after they have played their part of ruining a great state. Move up here and play your part here.
What a weird flex. It’s just demographic statistics. The more educated some one is the more likely they are a Democrat and the more likely they are affluent. Ofc people can be affluent Republicans or poor Democrats. Young people are also moving here and anyone millenial or gen z is likely to be college educated, Democrat and in debt. Bend will end up blue because the people moving here and the people entering the voting pool are more likely to vote blue. The people leaving the voting pool by moving or death tend to be Republicans.
Definitely disagree with that one. Education and intelligence had little to do with supporting a politician. Most people will just support the party that they think is best for their future.
Example: Millennials and Gen Z have historically high support for Democrats mostly because the Republicans offer us next to nothing.
I don’t disagree with your larger point, you’ll just never convince me an intelligent human that actually loves America could still support Trump.
I’ll give them their 2016 vote (people do dumb stuff) but if you still plan to vote for him in 2020, I refuse to see you as an intelligent human that loves America.
Rejoin the world community? Great, globalism is working so well. I have watched joe Biden lately. Nothing i have seen gives me any confidence that he is competent.
I’m not very good at words, but let’s play this out…I’ll assume my protagonists here on the board are both educated and affluent Republicans. There’s just one thing I will never understand…
Don Trump has been a total failure in running his businesses (6 filed bankruptcies!), apparently lacks a moral compass, and refuses to take responsibility for any of his actions-too long to list here.
How as a “Good ol’ boy-proud to have a red neck, and assuming (by me) to have proper OSU conservative values”, could you give this guy the time of the day? He’s a total fraud of a person.
Lol. No big time farming just enough for us. I live with an old Hawaiian up north and his family comes up a lot to help with maintaining the property. We have pigs, chickens, lemons,coconuts, papaya, dragonfruit,carrots,cucumber, peppers,lettuce, goats. Were setup pretty good for this whole situation. There isn’t running water up here so were not able to have to large of a garden. It’s really low maintenance though. Everything thrives out here as long as you have water.
Hey Angry, the most recent issue of Chronicle of Higher Education is right up your alley. Dozens of essays on the future of higher education and (trust me on this) the mood is not optimistic.
One essay stood out for me because it captured the kind of critical analysis of deeper seated problems we face in this culture, obscured though they may be, for example, by the extrapolation we saw on the last lamented thread, which reached the ultimate absurdity with the implied idealization of the ultimate Romantic, Fletcher Christian. (And for the record, Nuke, I’m a student of 18th century naval history.)
Most of the essays were from the pampered professoriate but somehow the editors secured a contribution from a janitor at the University of Washington. (As Butt-Head once famously said: “Now we’re getting somewhere.”) Here’s a sample:
“A modern day city state unto itself, UW is a not-so-shining example of how years of neoliberal rot have made our institutions–and especially the people who live, learn, and work in them–particularly vulnerable to the current crisis.
“Roughly 8,000 of those employees earn over $100,000 a year, with some earning in the millions; meanwhile, campus workers in kitchens eat leftovers before they’re thrown out because they can’t afford groceries, let alone medical bills.”
“Brochures tout UW’s commitment to capital “D” Diversity, while Filapina and Ethiopian housekeeping staff on minimum wage, along with so many other essential people who keep the university running–people like me and my co-workers–have never been treated as anything more than shadows in the background.”
“My managers are hiding in their offices. Their managers are hiding in their homes. Still, I worked the law-school building and the Burke Museum alone today.”
Anybody get their emergency stimulus checks in the mail yet?
Oh, no, that’s impossible, they’re being held up so the king can have them printed with his name on the memo line, since he can’t be considered a signer but wants to have the checks branded with his name in some way shape or form.
Hope you weren’t waiting on those funds with any sense of urgency.
I thought you had said yours was in your account the other day?
The wife is getting two unemployment checks tomorrow, one is the federal aid portion. Neighbor works for the IRS and said they are very understaffed. Fingers crossed checks show up.
Direct deposit isn’t the same as checks. If direct deposit doesn’t work for you then you have to apply via the online tool to get a physical check. NB got a direct deposit.
So I’ve heard people say “when we were younger and the neighbor kid has chicken pox my parents would send us over there so we would get chicken pox and build our immune system.” Am I just getting bored with this stay at home thing?? Thankfully I get to go to work sometimes so I can get out of the house.
Mortality rate for kids with chicken pox is 1/100,000 so way less deadly. That said for people under 30 the mortality rate for Covid is extremely low. Hard part is how do you isolate 130 million people (mostly under 18) for 10+ days to keep the over 30 crowd safe. If we had the logistics it really would not be a bad idea. Getting 30%+ immunity in 10 days would be a huge boon for society.
I don’t agree Trump has unlimited power, and neither does he, having backed away from his idiotic comments on Monday. Unlike you, however, I can see when Trump is thinking out loud and when he’s making a policy choice. This is so elemental: watch was someone DOES, not what they SAY.
Will be hitting 2 million reported infections world wide sometime in the next 2 hours. Mortality for reported infections is around 6% (reported infections are only 5-15% of total infections depending on what source you look at). US has just over 30% of reported cases and just over 20% of the deaths.
And yet who knows how accurate any of these numbers are (not an attack on your specific numbers). Anyone that dies right now has some sort of Covid complication so they become part of the statistics, then we hear about negative tests that aren’t correct, lack of testing, hospitals miscoding and the list goes on.
Absolutely. We are crippled by bad data. The best stuff I’m seeing is anti body studies cause it gives us accurate infection rate and the number of cases in the study are fairly small so you can hope the mortalities are counted accurately.
according the my friends wife (RN) they haven’t given a flu test in over a month. If you have flu like symptoms you are told to go home and isolate, if you can’t breathe you are admitted and given a covid19 test. I don’t know if that is everywhere in oregon or just her hospital.
Say Oregon is only testing for covid19 but not the flu. So Oregon has given 32000 tests with just over 1600 positives. How many of those tested had the flu instead?
How many did they turn away with mild symptoms that had covid? Or the flu? Or something else? Seems like we are missing the boat on getting an accurate picture of whats going on by just lumping everything in to the covid pile. The numbers suggest something else is moving through Oregon alongside covid19.
My doc gave me a flu test last week, not a hospital though. The data requisition is garbage for sure. It’s hard to make a case for how to respond when we lack good data.
My medical profession friends, general doctor and Rhuematolgist have all told me there had been an Adenovirus running around the PNW since November. It had almost the exact same symptoms of mild covid. All anecdotal of course.
My dad(SE Portland suburbs near Clackamas/Milwaukie) was sent to the ER with quickly developing pneumonia symptoms and fever around March 17th. They tested for both flu and Covid19. Flu test came back negative during his visit. They sent him home to self quarantine while he waited 2 days to get his negative Covid19 result. Still not close to 100% a month later.
Death count is definitely inflated. COVID-19 is being reported at death, even without a positive test, since reimbursement rates are higher for that CPT code. I work with self-funded medical plans and have seen this trend. Gone through several chart notes of supposedly COVID-19 patients without finding a COVID-19 test result.
They’re not taking pay cuts. They are getting the same paycheck each month, only now they are making a tax-deductible, voluntary, donation to “Our Beaver Nation” so that fund can continue paying bills in the department of athletics.
7% is a pittance on a multi-million dollar salary. Sure, for a $2M salary it’s $140k, which seems like a lot to my checkbook, but it’s nothing to them. Plus, it doesn’t reduce the costs of their salaries – the department doesn’t lower its bottom line, which includes benefits, PERS, etc., based on the whole number. And, as noted, it’s a tax write-off for them.
What would be bold is for coach to say “take half my salary and use it to pay scholarships/expenses for non-athletes who are getting hit hard financially by the situation.” He’d still be taking home over a million annually – not bad pay for not having a season to play…
When May comes, I think rural areas may get some restrictions lifted especially ones with few cases. Areas with low population density wouldn’t have to stay at home or close bars. Likely keep capacity at 50% or so. Public recreation will still be closed.
Extend that graph out to April 2020 (for some reason it defaults to 2014). 1.0 is fair value. Below 0.8 is cheap. We’re at 1.8! This chart is the “Buffet indicator” and a time tested metric for cheap vs expensive for the lay man. But markets can always go higher and become more irrational. I’m actually looking to short if options get cheap. This is the dumbest move in history, and I’ve been following markets since I was a kid.
It’s all irrational sentiment, momentum, and the misunderstanding that a large drop equates to cheap. A lot of cheerleaders on CNBC lured people back in saying things are cheap.
We’ll see how cheap things are as we hit earnings season. If “investors” want to pay premiums for zero returns that’s their prerogative, but I’m looking to short that irrationality.
Even if we look out a year the picture isn’t good. So, I don’t get it other than “they’re printing money!”…yeah, liquidity, I get it, but that hasn’t worked well for Japanese stocks. If it’s inflation concern there’s way better things to own.
Do you think we will hit 1.0 or less on the Buffett indicator anytime soon? I feel like the market is so disconnected from reality.
It just seems like the Uber rich, funds and pensions have so much wealth that they can just make artificial fluctuations all over the market to keep consolidating wealth. There’s some seriously large amounts of wealth that can prop up the market.
Another part of the equation is that there’s nowhere else to go for yield. Same old story from the last decade+. Lots of money concentrated in a few hands so there’s no velocity and nothing to keep earnings going up. Eventually bankers either make up new derivatives to invest in, or they just keep plowing the money into the same assets.
The big funds also have rules for asset allocation, so even if they wanted to, they couldn’t move 10%+ into gold or other things that are more inflation-proof.
Natural gas stocks could be a good play with oil demand cratering and prices around $20. There’s a lot of gas that comes from shale oil plays that will stop flowing in the next 6-9 months. which means better prices for the pure gas players. The trick is finding the producers that have strong balance sheets.
Do you think we will hit 1.0 or less on the Buffett indicator anytime soon? I feel like the market is so disconnected from reality.
I’m not sure when we will hit it, but everything mean reverts, at least in real terms. Stocks might keep going up but each share buys you less and less, so nominal gains are possible forever if they keep printing money. e.g. Venezuela had the best stock market in history in nominal terms, but it buys a loaf of a bread.
Why mess with that? I’d rather own many other things. They’re simply way too expensive. Better hedges that aren’t gold or silver: lumber/tree farms, antiques, guitars, vintage tools, collectables, food, toilet paper, “new old stock”…many others. All good inflation hedges. I’d buy all these things before looking at stocks. Stocks now need to drop 50% to even get a look. There are a handful of names that are still good, but not the overall market (indexes).
There are two major forces at work. Everything you mention and we know about (pensions have to buy, fed buying everything) versus the reality that you’re getting zero return on investment, in real terms, at these prices. At the end of the day, you buy a stock for a share of its future profits. With crappier profits on the horizon and stocks going up (until today) how would that make any sense? The only reason we had that last rally was (a) pension funds triggered buy signal (b) shorts covered (c) liquidity where people front-run the FED. I get all that, but it went overboard, and to me that’s all speculation and not investing. The FED encouraged more speculation, and we’ll see how far it goes.
There is the great Keynes quote “Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent”…we’ll see.
Today is a good first step to break the stupidity.
Talking investment strategy: in one of Taleb’s books, he talks about the barbell strategy where you concentrate most of your portfolio in both assymetric risk, high-reward opportunities and extremely low-risk assets, with only a little invested in the middle ground. So, roughly a 45-10-45 allocation.
My opinion is that “momentum” stocks are the 10 in that portfolio right now.
I think the inflation/deflation question is interesting right now, too. In theory, we should have inflation with all the money being printed, but as we’ve seen the last decade, it also matters who gets that money. We could just as easily have deflation in everyday staples and inflation in financial assets. Oil at $20 is definitely deflationary. High unemployment is deflationary. But longer term if production starts moving back onshore (not just in the US), that’s massively inflationary.
Angry- antiques and collectibles seem to me like a play on QE and lots of money in a few hands having to find a home somewhere. It’s no coincidence art prices, for example, have been shattering records the last 10 years. You’re talking about a pretty small market to begin with that only gets smaller as disposable income shrinks and unemployment goes up.
Beav in DE, do you read Mises at all? He states that inflation is the mere creation of the money. And it will flow where it flows. Many of us think of inflation as price increases in consumer goods. But if it flows to assets that’s where you get the inflation. Makes sense it’s flowing there in this past cycle since they (investors/banks) are the ones getting the money first, and whoever touches the money first in an inflation gets the most of its purchasing power. MMT/stimulus checks etc that put money in the peoples’ hands are all extremely inflationary compared to the past “experiments.” We already have the inflation, and it’s just a matter of when/where it gets unleashed. Inflation, as you probably know, is a function of velocity. If they print 10 tril and it sits in a banks coffer, that is potential inflation, but until it circulates (velocity) and with speed, then you might see none. This is why MMT is so inflationary. It is money creation/inflation but it also has the velocity variable where it moves money around fast. Moving jobs back to the US is inflationary, but that might be good inflation since it’s coupled with productivity. Inflation via organic growth isn’t necessarily bad…lesser evil at least. Zero inflation, as is under a gold standard, with high productivity is best of course. That’s how you get an actual increase in standard of living. But the other would at least maintain a standard of living. Right now almost everyone is experiencing a decrease in standard of living, even if they don’t realize it yet due to the illusion of nominal gains.
PS. I’m not talking art and specifically left that off the list. There are antiques for the common man. I listed one in tools. Very nice vintage tools out there that are mint and sell below made in China tools. How is that not an arbitrage opportunity? I’m grabbing as many nice tools as I can. I can use them, they’re gorgeous, and the alternatives are made in China crap being sold at three times the prices. I bought an incredible set of wrenches and pliers for $20 last week. There are many others besides tools…I can’t give them all away! I need to get more. ;)
Beav in DE, I also have a theory that the reason we’re not seeing hyperinflation yet (besides what I wrote above) is that the printed money is merely an offset right now. So say in 2008 GDP should have dropped 80%, but due to all the printing, it only dropped 20%. That 60% difference was the printed money/inflation. So we all should have experienced cheaper goods, cheaper homes, etc, and the FED “saved the day” but making all those things expensive for us. If that makes sense. Not sure I’m explaining it well. But basically the inflation can be the difference where prices should have dropped to (lower) vs where they actually did drop (not low or even higher in some cases). Now throw wages and how they haven’t increased to meet those prices, and you can see how it’s been extremely inflationary, way more than being reported.
I have this book in my Amazon cart, and will read it soon. I agree with the premise: The Price of Tomorrow: Why Deflation is the Key to an Abundant Future.
Going to read it soon. We need deflation. It’s the only way you actually get a standard of living increase. I mean how is getting more goods for less money bad? It’s not unless you produce and own the goods, and most people don’t. It’s very clear who the FED is protecting.
Agreed on the monetary stuff. As an investor, the “locked up money theory” should lead to the conclusion that asset prices will go up if the Fed doesn’t allow bankruptcies. That’s really the only way value gets destroyed (dividends buybacks, etc. leak out into the mainstream, but that’s a drop in the bucket) and if the Fed doesn’t let it happen, the money just keeps going around in a circle.
Any idea of a free source for tracking fund flows?
Lots of major questions lie ahead for our programs/family.i suggest buckling down, batton down the hatches, this is war. These are soldiers on the front lines at Walmart right now. We all need to take time and kiss everyone’s ass we can that is working. When the great toilet paper shortage hits, Martha from electronics becomes Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon and 2005 Beyonce Knowles combined.
I’m fighting Kate Brown later this month live on pay per view at the Salem armory. Get your tickets today!
Thanks, Nemac. I wasn’t going to say any more about this because some folks, when you challenge their world view using dialectics, just start throwing f-bombs and calling people stupid; or a cultist.
I like critical thinking lefties like Glen Greenwald (unlike the silly, sentimental Romantics that populate the punditocracy, more interested in posing at the barricades with the “resistance” than changing things) who is already predicting that the corporate media will rush to defend the CCP/WHO now that Trump is challenging that regime. The same people who spent 3 years on a wild goose chase into the wilds of Russia and Ukraine will align with the folks who unleashed the virus. (Follow Stephen Cohen, from the Nation, for more insights)
One more thing, before it’s all done, don’t be surprised if we find out way downstream that the release wasn’t an accident.
Chris Martensen is a Libertarian (R leaning) and he blasted the WHO. Why would anyone defend the WHO? They were an absolute disaster. I’m not sure if cutting all funding is the move, but some kind of reform was needed. I haven’t followed that story closely. Is the money going to go into founding our own version of the WHO? We can’t have nothing…
The problem is Trump is trying to blame his failures on them. So it’s not binary.
It’s not a Gambit. He punishes anyone who disagrees with him. His upbringing taught him that you punish people with taking allowance or yelling at them.
Still just speculation. I can’t find any peer reviewed papers or studies that show it’s man made. Plenty of motivation to blame China and plenty to blame anything but China.
Very true! If it isn’t man made then the lab got it from a natural source. In that case they were doing some crazy viral breeding programs in a lab (way more difficult than it sounds) or they found the virus in nature. Sure they could have released it from the lab but if from a natural source then it could already be on circulation. It’s complicated and there I can’t find any public info nation or data that supports the China Lab hypothesis.
That doesnt mean it’s true or not true, it means the speculation is speculation and not fact. I can’t think of any good reason the origin would be hidd n by anyone but China and it’s allies so Intel communities holding back is pretty unlikely.
If F_Nemac had phrased it, “gives an explanation of how the virus COULD have escaped the lab” I wouldn’t have had anything to say.
Hey OOB, just so you know Ionescu is taking her degree in marketing and brand responsibility SERIOUSLY:
“Ionescu would have likely been the No. 1 pick in last year’s WNBA draft. After the Ducks’ loss to Baylor in the national semifinals, she opted to return to Oregon and is currently finishing her master’s degree in advertising and brand responsibility.
The coursework is already being put to practical use as Ionescu listens to pitches from Nike, Under Armour and Puma. She is hoping to decide this week whether to sign with Oregon benefactor Phil Knight’s company, to follow Steph Curry’s path or blaze her own unique trail.
“The money is important, but I think just the vision and the kind of plan that they have in place for me,” Ionescu said of the factors she is weighing. “In what I can do, not only for the sport, but for basketball and society.”
To me, its kind of analogous to a beauty queen talking about world peace….I wonder who she’ll choose?!?
You dweebs sure spend a ton of time, energy and angst on Sabrina. Further proof that she not only dominated your team on the court, but also lives rent free in your heads off of it too. With one swipe of the pen on Friday, she will have made more money than you have in your entire lifetime. Is that why you’re angry? Here is the catch….. what loser’s like you people think of her degree path makes no difference to her. She has worked hard in the classroom and on the court. I applaud her for that. You wouldn’t know the kind of dedication it takes so you sit on your couch in Albany across from the paper mill as its shadow looms large in your trailer’s front window and you try to insult her intelligence instead. Classic beav loser right there. We get it, she snubbed Scott and went to Oregon. Don’t you think its time to let it go now?
What does that have to do with individual play? Her lowest point total in 8 games against osu was 14, highest 35 with a mix of several 20 games. Then you have rebounds and assists. The teams she was on were actually less than .500 against osu. Just don’t get how fans of a team that wears NIKE can make disparaging comments. Phil hands you money in an apparel and gear contract and you bite his hand? That’s gratitude for ya. Then to disparage the best college basketball player just because she’s a Duck and she snubbed the beavers and Rueck? Seems extremely juvenile and petty. But consider the source I guess. I for one, think Pivec is an excellent player. My HS teams have played against her, Sabrina and the Hull twins from Stanford. All excellent examples of hard-working dedicated student-athletes regardless of the major they chose.
I never said Nike was giving boatloads of money to osu but they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them. osu has plenty of rich alumni. Where are they? Why aren’t they giving?
She is a great player no doubt, but it is a team game. The Nike thing, I wish OSU would go with a different company but that is not going to happen. Yes, Nike gives OSU money but they give a lot of schools money. You make it sound like Nike is pumping boatloads of cash into OSU to make it a national brand like it has done to Oregon. Just isn’t happening.
The journal has an interesting story today arguing that KC’s victory in the Super Bowl saved California from a disaster. Thesis: the SB was the weekend of the first cases of corona in the bay area. A big street party the following week would have been a catastrophe, just like Lunar New Year and Mardi Gras were in NYC and Nola.
But here’s the kicker, looking forward: “Public-health experts point to mass gatherings as places where highly contagious viruses spread easily . . . . They bring together thousands . . . of screaming, hugging, and beer-sharing fans. . . . They’re breeding grounds for respiratory diseases.”
Bottom line: there won’t be a college football season this fall, just as I intimated last week by reading between the lines of what the President of the U. of Washington was saying. Now that Washington, Oregon and California have signed a “non-aggression pact” it’s virtually guaranteed. The universities will go along with this placidly, and maybe they should, but I predict the NFL will sue the states that keep them opening in September.
It would be interesting to hear from the players and coaches to see what they think about playing with no fans in the stadiums. I’m sure they would rather do that than not play at all, but man it feels like their motivation and intensity would be way down.
I suspect the most competitive, self-motivated players would continue to flourish, and maybe have an even greater advantage v. those who need lots of attention to get motivated.
It would be interesting to see if the referees called the games differently without fans in the stands.
I fully expect the NFL to play without crowds in 2020.
Golf and MLB are already planning summer returns. I think it is just a matter of time before all the pro leagues are back up and running. Rather fans are in attendance is a larger issue.
College sports probably depend on rather college’s have in person classes in the Fall or not. I fully expect K-12 schools to re-open in September (possibly with some modifications to allow social distancing) but colleges live in their own universe and frankly are better equipped to successfully implement distance learning.
Anyone that is now defending Trump by attacking China is a fool. Trump on January 24, 2020
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and TRANSPARENCY. It will work out well. In particular on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
Donald Trump in late January.
But yeah, keep trying to sell me that China and the WHO are at fault.
England just predicted a 13% GDP decline, the largest since 1709!
IMF says -3% global GDP decline, largest since Great Depression.
Yet…stocks at their all time high on a forward P/E basis…
I think Trump is going to open the economy in early May, and we’ll see a ballooning in cases. That’s my base case. He’s getting antsy and desperate for both attention and not to let Corona ruin his campaign.
He put that back on the states yesterday. Now he doesn’t have to shoulder the blame if cases balloon.
Why isn’t widespread antibody testing a bigger conversation though?
If we can find out how many people are already immune, wouldnt that give people more comfort in getting back into circulation?
I’m already 90% confident I had it and am immune, but that extra 10% would be nice to have, to give me full confidence.
Its a pretty safe bet. There have been sporadic cases where people got it again but its definitely not wide spread. There is also two known strains so you could catch either strain i guess.
Anything could have an exception, but Fauci said in a recent interview(i think it was with Trevor Noah) that he is pretty confident this virus will behave like every other respiratory virus they have studied in the past and recovered people will have temporary immunity built up for about a year(or until another strain circulates through the population, if that even happens)
In my case, the illness I had was fairly mild. Not enjoyable by any means, but more mild than the worst flus I had when I was younger.
For that reason, I may have false confidence, but I’m not overly concerned with the risk of reinfection if I already have antibodies from the current strain.
I would like to know one way or another if I have the antibodies in me(and my family of course), and if we do, there’s no way I’m going to lock us out from the outside world for the foreseeable future.
Part of me is concerned we’re also going to find ourselves at more risk for other illness simply because we are overdoing it with the sanitizing and physical distancing. For at risk people, I get it, but for young, healthy people, I do think there are benefits to having an immune system that gets put through the paces from time to time to keep it working at tip-top performance. Maybe that’s foolish thinking, but this disease is not the same level of death sentence like small pox was in the past.
It would make sense, based on most other viruses…but…there are viruses that act differently and cause ongoing issues,,,
Herpes, chicken pox, hiv to name a few.
None of those are respiratory but they are viruses that don’t just go away.
Trump won’t open anything. He has no such power. But many Republican governors will open May 1 because they do anything Trump says.
And like NB said those governors will fall on their swords for King Trump when cases spike.
In all seriousness, how can we re-open anything if we can’t widespread test for the virus, can’t test for antibodies at all, and can’t do contact tracing (some states are hiring for this at least)?
BTW, all things (except the anti-body test) the USA should have had set up by February 1.
Any home brewers here? My interest in brewing has sky rocketed since the lockdown and I’ve got an imperial IPA in secondary fermentation right now.
Has anyone done any lagers and had success controlling their fermentation temperatures? If so what was your set-up? I’m looking into doing lagers but don’t have the space right now to convert an old fridge to cool down the temp in the lagering range.
Well the only real obstacle is trying to convince the wife to let me have an extra freezer somewhere in the house for a few weeks. We all know how that is going to go. I do think that would be the best method. Or I might give Alpha’s a shot.
At one point I had 3 chest freezers, a lagering box, conditioning box and a fermentation box I’d throw a light bulb in in the winter. It is supposedly terrible to run a freezer above freezing like that but the only failure I had was the one I bought from a used appliance dealer. All 60-100$ CL finds.
You might want to try this stain of lager yeast. Here is a description from my yeast guy. Can be used at higher temps
“Generally what this means is that W-34/70 is more cryophilic than US-05, however our resent research into W-34/70 shows that you can use it at ale temperatures. In fact, our internal trained taste panel could not distinguish the difference between 12C and 20C fermentations! What does this mean for the end user? It means that they do not need to keep this strain cold. Like I said before, lager yeast are usually more cryophilic, however that does not mean that they will NOT work at higher temperatures. Usually, it is just tradition that makes us think you need to ferment cold. What ends up happening with W-34/70 is you get the same flavor profile, but a much faster fermentation (about 2-3 days vs 7-10) and a much faster VDK assimilation at the end of the fermentation. ”
Awesome I’m going to give this a try. Really wanting to do an Oktoberfest style lager or a different type of pilsner. Something that has a lot of drink ability in the upcoming warm months. Getting a bit too tired on all of the IPAs right now.
Kellyanne Conway on Foxnews: “This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that.”
The people in charge don’t even know the 19 stands for the year, it’s not the 19th coronavirus.
We are all gonna die with this incompetence in charge.
Her official title is Senior Advisor to the President of the United States.
If you think this level of ignorance (or gaslighting) is acceptable from a Senior Advisor to the President of the United States you might be in a cult.
She strikes me as 100% likes money and doesn’t give a shit about whatever is going on. Her husband is one of Trump’s chief critics. I’m pretty sure she goes home, cracks a bottle of 1951 red something or other and talks shit all night with the husband.
You ever wonder what it would be like to have another “you” and just be a Fox News consumer? I can’t imagine what my brain would be able (and unable) to comprehend. I mean just think of believing the concept that there were 18 previous COVID’s and the WHO blew it on all of them.
Says the guy set to vote for Joe Biden. Most likely voted for Hillery and the annointed one, Obama himself. None of which define leadership in my opinion. Since you keep harping on leadership or the lack of it in Trump.
Honestly blown away by the TDS shown by some on this site. And its not just against Trump but the animosity shown towards Trump supporters. Guess i have to answer but wishing sports would return.
I thought Obama exhibited pretty good leadership qualities. Say what you will of the politics but the personality traits he exhibited are what I like to see in a leader.
I agree.
He had a ton of flaws, but he was always poised and at least exhibited leadership. Definitely wasn’t a circus, and as I like to say, the only people who enjoy a circus are the clowns.
I know, he tried to blackmail a foreign leader with our money for his personal benefit and being opposed to allowing that is somehow a derangement syndrome.
The level of brainwashing is impressive, I compliment Trump on his ability to brainwash people, he is a master at that.
Any Libertarians here not going to cash the stimulus check because (a) you hate big government and (b) trump put his name on it, making him your sugar daddy? Legit questions not trolling. I’d like to meet a Libertarian who stands up for what they preach. I’ve never met one. If there’s one among us I’d love to know him/her.
My sister is libertarian, when she had her son and the dad refused to pay child support she refused to take the earned income tax credit for years. And trust me, she could have used it.
My brother-in-law, wife and infant, lived in subsidised housing, took government money for baby food and food stamps for themselves. Now they are card-carrying Republicans now, mainly because his wife is a religious pro-life nut job and he loves his guns.
Gonna have a hard time we with that one. The government classified the stimulus as a tax refund, libertarians can talk themselves into cashing that check.
@angry – You asked about peak death rate awhile ago. From all the stuff I have read we probably entered peak week yesterday and will continue to see 2-3k a day for 6ish days. It should drop to 1000-1500 range after that for several weeks.
This is specific to current wave of covid for the US. Based on when peak infections happened.
Well it’s interesting if you find time.
Obama was a cult, too. He was less dangerous due to a more developed ego, etc. It’s not limited to (R) or (L) obviously.
Well in the video he specifically excludes the alt-right and political ideology from cults, and he’s right. A true cult has one leader with extreme narcissism who is after power, money, and sex. That is the definition of a cult. You also can’t leave freely. So the fact you can leave the alt-right freely, and there is no one leader, it’s not a cult. Now are Trumpists cultists? That’s where I think moreso. Same with Obama. “He can do no wrong, he’s the chosen one” type thinking. But again, the one thing that keeps them from being a true cult is you can leave freely any time. I voted Trump; I freely left in early ’17 when I saw just how unhinged the guy was once in power. So, technically not a cult, but definitely “cult like tendencies”…only thing preventing it is you can leave freely, which I’m sure Trump wants to put an end to…lol.
Well the guy in the video adds some things, because by that definition you gave things like the Army can be a cult. I think being able or not able to leave freely is pretty important. Though, all that said, Trump hits every point but that one, and you could argue that if in his cabinet you can’t leave freely, etc. So the people up the hierarchy are even more in the cult. Also, the States that don’t go along with him get punished. He can’t punish down to the individual level, so he punishes governors, States, Senators, Fauci, etc. Textbook cult leader behavior. So, definitely a cult in that aspect.
Based on who my brother was when he entered the Navy vs. who he is now, I am not convinced the military isn’t a cult.
When my brother and I went from talking for about an hour every week over the phone to him telling me (and my mom) to forget he exists it definitely felt like losing a brother to a cult.
I agree with about 90% of what he says about a cult leader, he loses me with the ‘you can’t leave’ portion.
I don’t think making it easier or more difficult to leave defines a cult.
I’d argue in most cults, leaving is never really prevented but cult leaders understand that humans seek belonging, they give them that belonging and depending on the movement over time they might make it more difficult to leave but I don’t find that to be a key part of the definition of a cult.
Yeah. I mean my gut says he’s a cult, and that’s why I’ve been arguing here it’s futile to argue with people in a cult. But, then I saw that video, and the guy says being able to leave means it’s not a cult. Seemed reasonable. But that guy appears shady. I guess cult is a grey area. But Trump certainly feels like one. And I argued above that once you’re in with Trump it’s not exactly easy to leave. Like if you’re in his cabinet and you don’t do what he says he fires you, humiliates you, drives you out. Think what he did with the SALT tax in States he viewed as liberal. Think how he’s threatened governors to go along with him or else no PPE gear? Didn’t he make quips at Jeff Flake for not going along with him/criticizing him and encourage people to vote him out (ultimately he retired)? He did things like this with the CIA guy, generals, etc. Media disagrees he takes away press credentials. Everything screams cult leader behavior.
Then of course all the traits of undeveloped ego, narcissism, etc. It’s textbook.
Most cults tell you that you can leave all the time but follow it with all the dire reprecussions of leaving. Cut off from all your friends/family, no more financial support, no job training blah blah blah. So sure you can usually leave but they try to make sure that the cost seems much higher than any benefit.
Watched some of her video highlights and she looks like she’s a pretty good talent although playing in the Patriot League could be a little misleading. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Plus, there’s no guarantee that Destiny is actually leaving despite entering the transfer portal. I’d say chances are pretty good she’ll land somewhere else, possibly Boise State, but at this point it’s not a done deal. Again, we’ll have to wait and see.
Bill- Aquino is done playing basketball at a competitive level. osu will not take on the liability and have her do a Hank Gathers on the court. Do you think they are being secretive because she has a meniscal tear?
OLD NEWS, RIGHT ON CUE:
Received yesterday a newspaper flier offering $5 Gold American Eagles at intro price of $165, with a Silver AmEagle thrown in if you buy 5.
Offer from Nationwide Coin & Bullion Reserve and, you guessed it, they are out of stock!
Dang.
I personally would not buy any coins here unless you own zero. If you own zero you have to get some, so maybe a tiny tiny amount here. Prices should drop once airlines and mines get going in June or so.
Graphic guys for football are producing some very creative stuff for recruits. Maybe I’m bias since I don’t pay attention to what others schools are doing. I’d like to see some of those same images used around the stadium for current players.
Also, I’m slightly intrigued by Tinkle pivoting and grabbing some jc guys and not having to play favorites. I don’t have much faith in him but could we see the scrappy, hustle culture that existed his first year? It’s his only hope.
how ’bout that. Washington Post with a story up tonight that Trump’s critique of the WHO is resonating outside the White House. Pretty damning indictment.
can’t call what you can’t detect. Here’s some irony: NPR this morning had Ray Dallio on; biggest hedge fund manager on Wall Street, complaining about income equality.
@Alpha – even if they were lieing there was plenty of information to do something while he was doing nothing. South Korea had their first positive case the same day as us.
What about all the other countries that were affected? Seems like a lot of global leaders missed the boat as well. Are they all as inept as Trump? Probably not. I am not a Trump supporter btw. To me it seems like China screwed over the world, not just the US.
No I agree China fucking sucks. Their shitty data and complete lack of closing it’s boarders in terms of exporting the virus facilitated everything. There’s lots of countries that screwed the pooch. I live in the US so my anger is to my own government and it’s flaws.
China did screw over the world. But that doesn’t change the fact that Trump should have been a clairvoyant. He should have hired Miss Cleo, but no, he uses Fuchi. The guy who has been in his position for 30 odd years and is supposed to know more then anyone about infectious diseases. Why would anybody listen to a guy like that.
Clairvoyant? You guys act like this pandemic was some impossible to predict event.
Despite tons evidence of US intelligence predicting a pandemic.
Of course now that I am MAGA all day. So glad Trump faked this whole virus in order shut down the country to save all those poor kids from the evil Hollywood Cabal led by Democrats and Hollywood.
Lil’ fella, until I found out I was average size. But “Average Penis” isn’t a good porn name. So General Salami it is. It actually sounds like someone ran “average penis” through Google translate a bunch of times and that’s what came out the other end.
looks like there’s an emerging consensus emerging from the virology lab in Wuhan. What I reported here the first week of March, by the way. Just to recap what my source told me from an NSA backgrounder: the Chinese knew a Canadian lab was studying corona viruses and decided to steal analytical data. Patient zero worked for this lab in Wuhan.
I’m a fan the “it’s just a flu, we need to reopen the economy!” camp that also is telling us “it’s bioterrorism from China, they’re trying to kill us!”
China’s leadership really is genius. Release a killer bug in your own country so all eyes are on you
and everybody knows who to blame. First, you’ll kill off a bunch of your own population and later, other countries will divest in your country and you’ll become the least powerful mega power in the world!
It’s a bold strategy, Cotton.
When the economy collapses shiny rocks and paper money will be worthless. Actual usable commodities will be the only items that have value. So easy a caveman can understand it.
Well above I gave an entire list of things I think are better buys than gold, and even mention gold will get taxed violently. On that list was food and other commodities. There are many tangible assets I’d rather own over any financial asset at these prices. So, we agree.
I’m not a “gold bug”…I do think it’s wise to own some. Any savings that you won’t need for 20 plus years.
1. Why is CNN, the communist news network, “fake commie news” unless they report that a virus started in a Chinese lab. How are they then real news?
2. Why is the Washington Post cited as a legit source, when Davos-loving-Global-elitist Bezos owns it, and he has an anti-Trump agenda?
3. Why is RT trusted as a source, when it’s openly being funded by Russia. Buy boy do I miss Lauren Lister, that commie beauty queen!
4. Why are US Intelligence reports suddenly valid, when Dear Leader spent months telling me they are “Deep State” swamp creatures trying to protect Hillary, and everything they say is a lie?
5. How did Corona go from “It’s just the flu, open the economy!” to “It’s bio-terrorism, they’re trying to kill us!” in weeks.
6. Where is WB’s irony radar on all this?
Etc. I woke up to madness on AB today! Take off the tin foil dunce caps, get out of the corner, and put on your critical thinking hats, boys! And your big boy pants while you’re at it.
One more. Should we be concerned that a member of our nation’s NSA is leaking intel to a guy who knows a guy with an anonymous screen name on Angrybeavs?
Fortunately there’s no way for the NSA to trace back to who their leak is because of the iron clad anonymity of wordpress blogs. But wouldn’t leaking intel reflect badly on our executive branch?
I asked this awhile ago. Where’s the legit source unless it’s a leak from Intel community.
I thought leakers were bad? Comey something something whistles.
Wanna I read through 3 of the 4 in lancet posted on Jan 24th and they either didn’t state an origin or had a natural origin. Maybe the 4th talks about it.
Yeah I read lancet often. You made it sound like there was a paper that laid out evidence for the lab outbreak theory but I can’t find any. I read everything on lancet on Jan 24th that had to do with covid.
And people always though Jack was the one in a Tin Foil Hat.
If anything this whole debacle has proven that at minimum 50% of Angrybeavs commentors are sleeping with Blocks of Lead surrounding their bed. I hold out hope the lurkers are more even keeled lol
have you entirely missed the attempt to equalize trade relationships and stop the theft of intellectual property? Good grief, the world didn’t begin two months ago.
Playing golf today, so can’t get answers to all of these.
2) Trump list of business leaders, many of who were unaware they were on it, includes Mr. Bezos of WAPO. Meanwhile, the WH staff is in conference, “trying to shield the president from political accountability should his move to reopen the economy prove premature and result in lost lives.”
They could be underwhelming but look what the team did with highly ranked prospects…yawn…. Tinkle is in a class of his own having enough talent on paper, doing little to nothing with it, and still having a job. Maybe he just needs a bunch of blue collar dudes in there getting scrappy.
Who’s ready for some mimosas? I’m buried under a foot of snow and couldn’t go outside if it were possible. What else is there to do but drink mimosas??
If you’re an old fashioned fan but want to try something else that’s similarly simple but still tasty, try making yourself a Godfather sometime.
I usually go with 3 parts Scotch to 1 part Amaretto over a single ice cube. Some recipes call for 1:1 ratio, but I find that to be too sweet.
I Love the Jordan Love quotes:
“…Love’s disappointing junior year, in which he threw an FBS-high 17 interceptions on an overmatched Aggies team.”
A GA team? Overmatched?
“Everybody’s making excuses for Love. At what point is it his fault?”
t’s not his fault. GA hired the wrong f—ing assistants!
“But coming from the system he’s coming from, he’ll be better off if he can sit for a year or two.”
The GA offense is basically just “run around and figure something out.” You’re telling me that isn’t an NFL system?!
The best thing about that article is that it has way more swearing than you’d expect from something on the league’s official site. I mean, normally an editor would be okay taking these out instead of bleeping them.
“there’s no f—— way you could’ve put that (2018) tape on and thought he was better than a late-round pick,”
“The Oklahoma stuff is kind of skewed because it’s a f—— high school 7-on-7 tournament every game they play,”
It feels like a bold leap forward into the post-COVID sports journalism world.
Remember about a month ago, when a handful of senators were shown to have sold off a bunch of their shares in various soon to be hard hit companies, while also telling the public there was nothing to worry about?
2 of them have now been assigned to the Task Force for reopening America.
Senators Burr and Loeffler, specifically.
Guess they didn’t profit enough off misleading the public already. Not swampy at all.
Seeing reports Gilead has what they think its a vaccine, Boeing starting up production, Trump has a plan to reopen the economy. Futures explode. Funny, I bought some SPY today as a trade and set 285 after hours…hit! I’ll take my 3% gain today rather than deal with markets tomorrow. This market is almost getting to easy too read. Meanwhile, stocks shoot to about 90% overvalued…but all that matters is liquidity and hope.
If the VIX gets into the mid 20s it will be a great time to short. Until then the bulls win with their irrational exuberance. Hard to understand how you can be excited with stocks 90% overvalued, but hey, they’re the Riley’s of investing. Eternal optimists!
I do get the 10tril of liquidity thing. It’s that. Play the market you have not the one you want…old axiom.
Are you referring to Gilead’s Remdesivir trials? That’s a treatment unless they are also working on a vaccine. Their trial with severe patients went well, but they have not done placebo testing yet
Dunno I saw SPY500 spike 9 points after hours, then looked at Zerohedge to see why, and they said Gilead drug progress. I’m drinking White Russians, so that’s where it ended for me.
^ Seems like a nothing burger; Gilead has been working on that drug for a long time now. But the market is irrational now, so it makes sense they’d jizz all over their hot Mormon wife over this.
I’m not afraid to admit my typing is faster than my brain which is fine on my computer because it is easy to catch before I hit post but when I am on my phone I miss stuff all the time.
Definitely! His companies push in the right direction with advanced manufacturing and tech. We need about 30 major manufacturers in the US that use diverse supply chain and make stuff that’s so advanced others can’t compete.
He’s a very unique turd. He ain’t no GM, GE or Westinghouse deposit in the brown bowl. Class of his own fecal mater.
And his products are shit. I worked on the first Space X launches. Crashed into the ocean. What disasters and wastes of money. Teslas crashing into everything they can find to crash into…what a disaster. Solar City? More like Solar Shitty. And he sucks off the teat to fund it all. Now this ventilator contingency. Fuck that guy.
NASA has crashed alot of shit too. When you engineer by experimentation you spend loads of money and break lots of things. It’s also the fastest mode of advancement. Tesla’s still run into way less stuff than drivers and they learn stuff from every disaster. What Space X and Tesla had done in a decade is frankly beyond the scope of what any other companies would even consider.
High tech cowboys with crazy funding and more brains than sense. There isn’t an electric car with autonomous tech that is even close to a Tesla on price point. There is no company in the world that can put a satellite in space cheaper than space x. Before long the most reliable internet and possibly fastest per dollar spent will be supplied by them too.
They crazy and it’s cultish and he’s a peice of shit but it’s all ground breaking.
I think during the development his drive, standards and vision were critical. Now that both are giants he does way more damage than good. Imagine if Steve Jobs was still the head of apple and bombing Twitter with crazy shit every couple days.
There’s a decent biography on him from about 5 years ago and the way he talks about relationships is insane. He’s fully cognizant that he is an awful partner. He talks about how if he could just find another 5 hours a week in his schedule he could stay married. That’s also how he justifies his personal helicopter and helipads. It buys him more time to be with his family.
Could be. There is no doubt he is highly intelligent. Being in the nuke world I know many legitimate geniuses. None of them are all that ’rounded out’ and most struggle with interaction. I pretty much got through school by working my ass off, being just smart enough to make it and being the social lubricant for awkward geniuses so I could study with them.
If you ever met me you would find the idea of me being a social lubricant hilarious, thats how awkward they were haha
Top 2020 Basketball recruit going G-League instead.
I’m thinking the college powers that use one and done are gonna need a new strategy soon. Could easily see college basketball looking more like college baseball (where most the top HS talent never goes to college) real soon.
If it were my kids, I’d tell them to take the money now even if they wanted a degree. Kid is getting 500K. He can go to college later (or part time while playing).
Plus outcomes for older students are much better per dollar spent. You know what you want, know how hard it is to earn the cash and you are there for a reason. Aslong as a kid is advancing their skills and figuring out what path they want delaying school is a good choice. Not a fan of total burnout route though.
The shoe companies are going to ante the fuck up and start paying these kids more or the ollege basketball we’ve come to know and love is going to change….
From the office of Put A Beaver On It. Oregon State University is about to start a large scale study this weekend tracing the prevalence of the Coronavirus in the city of Corvallis. Sounds like this will be uncharted territory. Pretty neat deal OSU is getting involved.
Anybody here part of this study?
Anyone else worried that we are still getting 25-30k new cases a day weeks after the country went into isolation? The curve is flat but why are so many people still getting sick each day?
Still have to go grocery shopping. And this virus is very efficient in its transmission.
Which is why we really need enough tests to test anyone with symptoms (According to the St. Charles website they only test if you have symptoms AND are in an at-risk group, again, just based on reading the website so no idea if that is how it actually happens inside the hospital) and enough people employed to do adequate contact tracing.
Till those 2 things exist (antibody testing would be needed too) cases will spike the minute we open things back up.
And having enough tests by now shouldn’t be an issue for the United States. It is just sad at this point.
Its interesting that a poster on here was calling for Mullins removal for only taking a 10% pay cut and then Barnes turns around and only takes a 7% cut. For an athletic program 45 million in debt, you would think he and his coaches would take more of a cut. Especially since they are both sub .500 coaches. Change my mind
Pettibonehead- yesterday you posted something about the protests in Michigan. You stated that trump and Confederate flags were there. I watched a video. Some trump flags but lots of old glory, in fact by a wide margin. But no southern army battle flags? Where did you get that info? You have video or what stand up unbiased media outfit stated it? Discuss among yourselves.
Morons? Why? For wanting to work? Did a couple of them have cammo on? I must have missed what made them morons. The scary “dont tread on me ” flags? Elaborate and educate please.
Ahhh Wanna, you just keep going dontcha. I don’t echo shit. I read source material, use my life experience sand come to my own conclusions.
You are the one that parrots opinion pieces and cherry picks whatever fits your theory. You can’t give good sources when asked and you defend statements that come out of people’s mouths as other than they said. You told me to stop being a straw man and I apologized and thanked you. Anytime you are questioned you don’t respond or spin it to something else.
If you want to be logical be logical. People can not agree with you and still have a real point. The basis of an arguement you don’t like can have real evidence. Oh and common words and phrases in a language can be used by anyone cause they are not yours they belong to the cultural heritage if the language.
For ignoring social distancing during a pandemic. It’s idiotic behavior so I call them morons.
I’m way more down with the people hanging in their cars laying on the horns. That’s good old fashion peaceful protest with smart distancing methods.
I don’t care about their flags, just making an affiliation statement. I do admit large groups of people wandering around with big guns makes me uncomfortable. That doesn’t make them morons I just don’t like it.
Your outrage and assumptions might want to take a cold bath my man. Starting to sound like a social justice type.
Hey I’m a Democrat. Can name like tons of flags with red in them that are non-rebel. Infact most flags have red in them.
There is a point though. Most existing governments today came from an element of rebellion as Imperialism and Colonialism came to an end. Since the majority of flags include red I guess most flags do represent a rebel root. Super good point BB.
Ohhh I didn’t specifically put in Confederate flag. I was just looking at protest video and not really finding anything. From the stuff I looked at posted in the last two days I would say that guy is extreme minority with flying the flag. I’m sure him flying it got shitloads of attention though.
I have no doubt he was in the minority but I also doubt any of the other patriots at this protest questioned its presence.
Do like Whitmer’s statement though
“A small segment of the state is protesting and that’s their right,” Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, told CNN. People are getting “stir crazy” at home, she said, and they’re worried about paying the bills.
“The sad part is, though, that the more they’re out and about, the more likely they are to spread Covid-19,” Whitmer said, “and the more likely we’re going to have to take this posture for a longer period of time.”
Guess that makes everyone there a member of the KKK. Thats how painting with a broad brush works right? Of course thecomeback will be that none of you said anything about the klan. I know, southern army battle flag is scary.
My two best friends live in the deep South, and I’ve spent a lot of time there visiting them. The South truly believes they will rise again. To me their flag symbolizes, to them, all these ideas and some latent sense of pride, which makes sense given how poor they are compared to the North. They’re clinging to what they got. I get it. I don’t think it means they want slaves or anything like that. To them it means freedom/liberty and symbol and pride of their past. That’s from my experience in the South at least. If someone here has spent a lot of time in the South and has a different experience, share it. I knew some guys who were hardcore “south will rise again!” folks, and they were also some of the nicest people I ever met down there.
Here’s a map of hate groups. Looks pretty evenly distributed just eying it.
That’s pretty consistent with my experience in Georgia and Tennessee. The younger generation seemed to be more ‘okay Boomer’ about it and there are many communities that have added lots of young immigrant/minority famlies that has changed the picture some. I was in Chattanooga, Atlanta and Savannah which are all more liberal/hip parts or the south.
since irony has become a subject a ridicule, I thought I might tender an item from my other favorite trove: corporate media double standards. Why did the NYT bury former Biden staffer Tara Reade’s claim that Joe sexually harassed her? #MeToo. check out today’s WSJ.
Lo fucking l. Of course its a Russian conspiracy. Those darn reds.
On the other hand its pretty sexist of you not to demand an investigation. 81% of women are sexually assaulted at some point in their lives and fake claims hover around 5%. If she believes she was assaulted we must believe her. Actually she said he stuck his finger in her. Thats rape.
Oddly enough, you believed Luke Heimlich and not the little girl much like most of the dolts on here. Do those stats you posted apply to all accusers of sexual assault or just ones that don’t throw a baseball for the beavers? Please advise
I didn’t really think about it until the #metoo movement started. Are any of the claims against trump still open? How many dropped their accusations? How many were investigated?
The E. Jean Carrol one is pretty serious. Trump’s legal team is trying to prevent the court from acquiring his DNA cause she has a stained item of clothing. Its pretty mired down so I’m not sure what the latest is and it makes me sad so I don’t feel like looking.
Because it doesn’t fit the narrative. They’re locked into creepy Joe now. That’s why he has chosen to pick a woman VP, to deflect the Chester the molester vibe. Look at the militant feminists change of attitude, hang Kavanagh for a 40yo accusation but give Biden the benefit of the doubt because he’s a Democrat.
What I love is I post a link to an article that clearly walks through why Tara isn’t taking down Biden but people are so committed to believing whatever helps their side they won’t even read the article.
Biden may have done everything Reade claims but there is a 0% chance she’d win in civil court much less criminal court.
But Trump supporters will believe her till the day they die while refusing to believe the women who Trump literally paid off when they sued him for the same thing.
The movement was about giving woman the benefit of the doubt. Which Tara was given. She was allowed to file a claim with police and the media investigated the claim. The evidence suggests there is no evidence to support her claim.
That was all the #metoo movement was ever about.
If Biden were up for SCOTUS when these allegations came out (like in the Kavanaugh case) I would have expected her to be given a chance to speak in the confirmation process.
But I get it, critical thinking skills are dead in America.
Why should women get the benefit of the doubt in a criminal accusation?
That’s a biased trial right from the start. Women could use that against a guy who they have a beef with, etc. It’s not good.
Or are you saying if there’s an accusation it should be investigated? I mean, yeah. Isn’t that common sense? But that should be true of a guy accusing a girl of something, too.
They shouldn’t. All criminal accusations should be investigated. Sadly for many years there are classes of accusations they get ignored and there are large social prressures not to accus at all. Women accusing powerful men is one of thos classes. If someone doesn’t being an accusation that’s their choice. If they do it should be fully investigated.
@nuc. Yeah I feel as a guy I’m pretty much screwed. If I go to the cops and accuse a woman of raping me, they’ll ask me if she was hot. If a woman goes to the cops, they’ll arrest me and investigate later. So, screw that.
The bottom line is all cases should be taken seriously no matter gender (or race for that matter). Then you don’t get this stupid movements. It’s kinda on the cops…
As I said, it’s on the cops for bias/incompetence, at least how I see it.
Then we get these stupid movements because they don’t handle each case equally seriously.
Angry, remember the republican senate dude running in the south a few years ago who people blasted as a wirdo and sexist because he refused to meet with women 1 on 1? This is one of that guys reasons for doing it. He respected his wife, so he didn’t want any misinterpreted meetings with women and he also didn’t want to get falsely accused. That guy was ahead of his time.
No I don’t remember him, but that’s smart, or if it’s a 1 consent State just record the entire meeting. I’m glad to live in a 1 party consent State now. CA was two, and that was brutal.
I’m kinda a men’s rights activist because I feel this shit has gone too far, and women don’t see or acknowledge all the areas where they have advantages, and they have no interest in leveling those. It’s hypocrisy. Everyone gets an equal trial/investigation. Cops need to do better. Or don’t be a f’in cop. Meanwhile we have to bailout these guys’ pensions, and they’re not even doing their jobs right.
it wasn’t Pence, and why do you say it like that? Is there something wrong with protecting one’s self against false accusations? I can’t think of a better way short of having a documentary crew follow you around 24/7.
@angry – I don’t feel like looking it up cause it would mess up my night but rape of adult males by women is the most ignored sexual crime and rape of men by men is the least reported and is also not taken seriously.
It’s very much a problem with norms of the culture and internal culture of.the justice system. There is still large disparities that should not exist.
Mike Pence is one of the folks that won’t meet with women one on one. There’s others. Billy Graham and Franklin Graham, Dave Ramsey….I won’t meet with female staff alone with a door closed either. Too much of a risk.
Thats standard practice in every HR department in corporate America for as long as I’ve been working. Its not just 1 man 1 women either. Its anytime you meet.
By all means tell me what I apparently don’t understand? You’re a teacher, teach.
@Nuc. Yep. It really has to stop. Cops need new training on that reality, and repercussions for not following protocols. Tell them their pension is on the line, and they will quickly start investigating female on male rape and seriously.
Joe Biden himself said we should believe all women. Thats some critical thinking, im sure you would agree youngorst? You seem to be the arbitrator on who thinks critically and who doesnt.
Here is the closest quote I can find to what you claim.
“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real,” said Biden during the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who faced accusations that as a teenager he had assaulted a woman at a party.
And I’d agree with that. And FYI, Tara Reade has not done this.
She didn’t even name Biden when she filed her complaint with DC police.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_women
Here is a little something about the believe “movement”. I didnt name it either.
As for Biden, you cant be presumptuous on anyone’s guilt or lack thereof. He didnt use the term -believe them no matter what. It was a political answer to a total political hit job. The attempt to lynch Kavanaugh.
Joe is going to come out just fine on this. No media outlet is going to actually ask a hard question of him so he is in the clear. Bury it. The NY times let his staff edit their “investigation ” into the allegations. Oh well, such is journalism in merica today.
Look, I made my own decisions on rather to believe Reade based on my own research
Like every voter should do.
Even at that. If she were actually willing to name him in her complaint and/or she could agree to go on a major platform and tell her story. If she does one or both of those things I’ll re-examine my position.
But based on my research, I believe Biden was likely handsy, an accusation that Biden has acknowledged and apologized for.
But again, you believe 1 Biden accuser but apparently discount over 20 Trump accusers so you have no credibility here.
Wannabeav said I’m calling people names. I want those quotes posted. I don’t remember calling anyone any names in forever, maybe years, except for a@a.
I feel this is very fake news, but my Dear Leader has not told me whether I should trust AngryBeavs.com commenters as a source.
I read a headline today that suggested 2020 CFB will be delayed and start February 2021. If that happens, there won’t be much of a break between the 2020 and 2021 season. I’ve gotta read the article so….any thoughts on the season starting in February besides the weather sucking big time?
As a former Trump voter I’d like to explain why I’m changing. For one, I don’t watch TV. So I don’t know anything about any network other than the general opinions of those networks, and what I read/see/hear people say about them. The only media I watch are programs like RealVision and some YouTube economics channels, some woodworking stuff, guitars, etc. I’ll watch HUDL and the Spring ball videos. But mostly things I am trying to learn. Here and there a movie with the lady. Nothing else. No politics ever except I have watched some of the more “important” Trump speeches (maybe ten in 4 years) and seen him on Twitter. I concluded:
1. Too culty/authoritarian. If you study history, every authoritarian goes after the media first. My vote for a Biden is simply a vote to delay authoritarianism. Not that I think Biden has any answers.
2. Too many lies. “Fake news” and attacking reporters is old.
3. Too much of a circus. Fatigue. Peace and quiet of “sleepy Joe” sounds nice.
4. Said he’d drain the swamp, then put Jared fucking Kushner in charge of…anything. Swamp creatures galore all around him, but “yes men” swamp creatures, which is even worse.
5. Hated the FED on the campaign trail, now he loves the FED and panders to them for cuts and money printing.
6. Too much hypocrisy. e.g. The NYT is great if it writes something good about him; it’s fake news if it writes something critical. Extend to every facet of his presidency, including the virus blame game. Ego.
7. Gaslighting me nonstop.
8. Called Bernie a Socialist, said no Socialism in American, and 6 weeks later printed more money than anyone in world history, bailing out everyone. I’m now hearing rumors we will print 150 trillion to buy the entire world’s global debt. Fuck this administration in the ass.
9. After the corporate tax cuts said to his friends, “I just made you all a lot richer.” On the backs of the poor and middle class no less.
10. SALT deductions as punishment for liberal States, threatening senators, governors, etc who don’t agree with him. Again, cult leader behavior.
Just some major points for me. There are more. I get the plight of the guy who thinks Trump is going to make America great (by the way, that was Reagan’s campaign slogan, so he even stole that…). I don’t dislike any of you guys, just for the record. At this point I just hope to delay authoritarianism. The Democrats do not have any answers. Republicans have even fewer. The problem is the Federal Reserve and the imbalance/instability it creates. Both parties, and Americans, are screwed because of them. So yeah. I don’t think you’re stupid for voting Trump. I voted Trump out of anger over SJWs and fiscal issues, so I get it. I don’t think you’re stupid if you vote Trump, but I do think you have to be angry to vote Trump, and I’d highly suggest directing the anger at the right entity: The Fed. I also think Trump has done a masterful job of making you hate Democrats and focus on the media rather than him. Just saying. Trump is an evil genius, IMO. Manipulative to the core. Trump will probably find some way to win, like forgive student loans and hand out checks, and then he will do what authoritarians do when they aren’t facing re-election…that’s my concern more than anything. There are enough red flags to know it will become fact.
When i watched one of the dem debates and they were asked who would give free healthcare to illegals they all raised their hand. I admit there wasn’t much chance of me voting for any of them but that clinched it. Im not a one world guy, and i think the need for secure borders and taking csre of our own should come 1st. Trump is far from perfect i have freely admitted and accepted that. He drives me nuts but he is the 1st president in a long time that actually tried to bring jobs back to this country, and was doing it. Every trade deal of the last 3o years screwed working stiffs like me. The last president told me those jobs aint coming back. This one said why not? No damn way i vote for Joe.
Shit like this pandemic shows why health care shoold be available to everyone.
Some working class guy, citizen, legal or illegal immigrant has to work to eat, to pay the bills. If they don’t have healthcare, they’re out there grinding, that puts us all at risk.
The real enemy isn’t some working class immigrant, it’s the billionaire who has more than enough and keeps the working class fighting for scraps while they ship jobs overseas to make a couple extra bucks.
How would you pay for Healthcare in a time like this with open borders?
This is a bad argument and really can’t be used anymore by Republicans. The FED just printed 10 tril to bailout every corporation in America. You can’t ask where the money comes to bailout or pay for people anymore. That’s the problem with what Trump/Powell just did. They could have funded Bernie’s programs 2x with that. So again, while I don’t agree with any of it (borders, bernie, or printing money), you can’t ask that question anymore. The answer is really simple: you call Jay Powell and tell him to print it.
Corporations who hire illegal immigrants to do shit jobs Americans don’t want to do should pay for their workers insurance. The system we currently have is corpoate welfare.
What are these magical jobs “illegals” are doing? Picking strawberries? You want that job? I bet you can have it if you want. But you’ll demand more than the $2 an hour they get paid. And you’ll demand insurance too. These “illegals” don’t, which throws the burden not onto the corporate billionaires who benefit from their work but onto the taxpayer.
Again, the guy working the shit job isn’t your enemy. The owner of the company that benefits is the one you should be pissed off at.
A lot of folks don’t understand who’s screwing them, they blame people who should be their allies because they feed on the well funded corporate propaganda.
When and if the country starts working again take a drive through a new sub division and take a look at some of the crews framing houses. Im pretty sure not all are picking berries.
Illegals do frame houses and pick berries, and Cake is right corporate welfare is an enormous problem. You only hear how citizens should be cut off welfare, but you hear nothing about corporations being cut off…
First one is the same as yours. Take care of citizens our health care system is expensive and shitty.
Second one is I know most of them are just lying to avoid any heat.
Third is its a dumb solution. They need to address immigration in the first place so there are paths to citizenship. Currently illegal immigrants basically just use the emergency room which is super expensive. Make paths for them to work towards citizenship or get greencards so they can go to a normal doctor like anyone else. If they fail at those paths then they should get deported as they don’t want to contribute to society.
No. Are you? Im stating what i think. You ok with gropy joe? Did you you vote for Hillary who had interesting baggage, to say the least. Its a funny little game you play. He did this, he did that. Why would you vote for him? Because he aint joe efn Biden. And he wasnt Hillary.
BB has been fairly consistent. He gets fired up but using hyperbolic arguments to make him look dumb is gonna backfire. he isn’t dumb and he doesn’t have much hypocrisy going on. He just has a different take on how the world works than a typical democrat.
Illegal is weird for me too. I think Asylum rules are pretty nuts. If my neighbor was scared they were gonna get murdered I would shelter them and its hard for me to not extend that feeling to a global situation. To me I think we should really expand our green card rules and quota (we need the workers anyways). Couple that with real ways to move from greencard to citizen in larger numbers. I don’t really get why we don’t want people who want to live here and make the US better. If they are willing to do the work and contribute then lets do this. If they are some scummy criminal or burnout then fuck’em boot them out and never let them back.
Every immigrant I know in the US loves the US more than most Americans I know and work their asses off. Statistically immigrants are a tiny part of crime until 2nd generation or so (same generation of original american immigrants that started the whole revolution thing). Instead of making people sit in shitty situations for decades have a robust greencard program with a 5 year (or something) requirement and robust steps to citizenship. People who are down will do the work and people who don’t deserve it won’t. It just feels like the whole system is so negative and it would be cool if it was more like a reward for doing the right thing instead of waiting in line at Disney World on a 110F day to ride dumbo or some other shit ride. Lets be productive and positive about it so that people who build the life can get the rewards and we all feel good about it.
As much as people in the United States love to obsess about Trump and justifiably blame him for his administration’s lacking response, China deserves FAR more blame than they are getting. Trump didn’t let the virus spread globally and cause everyone to suffer – the CCP coverup and WHO’s CCP shilling did. Unlike the US media we all get shoved down our throats 24/7, I don’t think Italy and the UK, among dozens of other countries struggling with this, are blaming Trump for the pandemic, as they’re not US-centric like everyone here.
Blaming Trump while ignoring China’s role is like if a person hit you with a baseball bat while a cop was standing there, and then putting all blame on the cop for not protecting you while completely absolving the bat-swinger of responsibility. Because you’re obsessed with not liking cops or something. It’s ridiculous.
There is PLENTY of blame to go around. It’s mindboggling how some people are letting the primary perpetrators off the hook. Multiple parties are responsible for our US misfortune, but one is primarily responsible for the global misfortune.
Also, I’m looking forward soooooo much to this November when we get to choose between incompetence and dementia to lead the country. Awesome.
Citing one of the best responses in the world with a culture and history totally different than the hardest hit parts isn’t really good. Thats like citing how awesome Sweden is doing compared to the US despite their lack of isolation. Sure thats true but they are sucking ass compared to Denmark and Norway. South Korea is ready cause they have lost people to SARS and Bird Flu, Yellow Fever and all sorts of crap for years. We had H1N1 that took a year to kill 10,000 people and we did very little to mitigate it at all.
Edit: Scotty that was meant for young. Taiwan is making good use of that Island life. Killer response
Have you listened to anything Trump has said? China bought him 6 weeks to work with thanks to their Draconian lockdown of their people. Trump flushed that down the toilet while fluffing Xi the entire time saying how they were doing so well and everything was great, all to prop up the stock market.
China’s system is fucked up, no doubt, but Trump had a lot of tools and a six week head start. He squandered that and now we’ll have hundreds of thousands of dead Americans.
Plus, our intelligence was way ahead of China’s public announcements. Trump ignored that too. The blame falls squarely on Trump.
Don’t know about anybody else but I’m so sick of winning.
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
-Donald Trump
January 24th 2020
Convince me this statement didn’t help China cover this up.
I know you won’t but here is your chance.
Imagine if Hillary were President and said that on January 24th. You really think you wouldn’t accuse her of aiding China?
It’s called stupid incompetent “diplomacy”. He got the wool pulled over his eyes and/or wanted to downplay everything early on. That is his fault.
Let’s assume your interpretation is true. If you say he was “helping China cover this up”, that implies you acknowledge China was leading a cover-up… and would further indicate China deserves most of the blame.
Of course, you will reject that and continue to solely/mostly blame Trump, but I wanted to point out the absurdity to anyone else reading.
No, I expect dictatorships to cover stuff like this up. China is doing what I expect them to do.
The job of the President is to listen to their intelligence (and our intelligence knew this was bad prior to January 24th when this statement was made) and protect us from dictatorships that are obviously going to lie to us.
Call it absurd all you want.
But could you imagine if in 1982 a pandemic came out of the USSR and Reagan trusted them to tell the truth? Of course not, because Reagan wasn’t stupid.
Trump is.
I don’t live in China, I don’t care what China does. I live in America and I expect our President to be smarter than a 5 year old.
You seem to be saying that people should ignore or downplay improper conduct by a country, as long as that country conducts itself improperly on a regular basis. I can’t do that, especially while that country has been trying to launch a PR/propaganda offensive while minimizing their role in creating a global crisis of a magnitude not seen in decades.
I remember trying to decide who to vote for in 2016. I didn’t want to vote for Clinton, because she was a corrupt elitist. I didn’t want to vote for Trump, because I had huge (yuge?) questions about his competence. The choices for president get worse every election, and I knew as bad as things were then, they were going to be even worse in 2020. More polarization, more extremes, more fractiousness… And sure enough, here we are. I’d take Clinton over Biden, and I’d take what we knew about 2016 Trump over what we know about 2020 Trump.
Remember 2008 and 2012? Obama/McCain, Obama/Romney? If those were our candidates right now, I’d feel like we won the political lottery compared to today. (Yes, I know McCain has passed away, but you get what I mean.)
Imagine Fuchi talking to WHO officials inside China. “How are things going in china” says Fuchi to WHO official. “Great” says WHO official “Xi is cooperating with us and giving us complete access to all data”. “That’s fantastic” says Fuchi, “do you guys need any help with anything?” “Nope, the Chinese about have this thing whipped” exclaims the WHO official.
Meanwhile WHO offical is actually swimming in the Peoples Communist Olympic swimming pool at Xi’s palace in Beijing.
Back in the US Fuchi calls trump. “Mr president i have good news from China, Xi is working with WHO, we are going to be OK.” Trump says “Thats fantastic, wonderful, wonderfully fantastic. That’s tremendous news, but who is with Xi?” “Yes WHO is with Xi in china” states Fuchi. “I dont know who is with Xi, thats what I’m asking you Dr Fuchi”. Says trump. Yes Mr president WHO is working in China with Mr. Xi they’re doing a great job flatten the curve” says Fuchi. “Who’s in china” trump barks. “Yes Mr president, WHO is in china.” Fuchi says. “God dammit Fuchi I’m asking who is in china” yells trump. “Yes, WHO is there with Xi in china” says Fuchi. “MOTHERFUCKER” trump slams the phone down.
And now the world has the ‘Rona.
Thats still no guarantee that he’ll get the truth. Just look a the CDCs claim they could make a test kit that was faster, cheaper and more reliable then the overseas versions. They oversold and underperformed that task to the point that trump sent a representative from the FDA to the CDC and they refused the FDA rep access to the building trying to cover up their little bullshit ploy. All the while telling trump it was coming very soon. It only took 4 weeks to get it rolling, 4 weeks after they guaranteed trump it would be done.
But Trump is the only one that CHOSE to take the job of President. One expectation of said job that Trump CHOSE to take is that you protect the USA from all enemies foreign and domestic.
China and WHO took no such oath. Trump did.
Trump gets the blame in America. Its the job he asked for.
So now you’re saying we shouldn’t hold entities responsible for damage they cause, as long as they don’t have some oath to protect us? That’s not how anything works. Heck, courts everywhere would be completely empty if that’s how things worked.
But let’s say the USA is a multinational corporation and China is a competitor. Trump is the CEO of the USA corporation.
If China corporation kept telling USA corporation things that led to USA corporation losing trillions of dollars. Would you expect the CEO of USA corporation (Trump) to survive?
I don’t have stock in China so I don’t care why I lost lots of money on my investment but I know I want a new CEO in charge of USA corporation even if China should be charged with fraud.
I agree with your last sentence, don’t know what to say anymore either.
If you think Trump is doing an adequate job so be it.
Agree, I hope China gets it in the bottom economically for this. I hope they get at least 30% contraction in global business due to people ditching just in time and diversifying supply chains. Hoping the CCP gets metphorically ground up by tank tracks.
So Trump thought the chicoms were being on the up and up. As it turned out they weren’t. So its his fault? It was them covering it up. He shouldnt have been that gullible. You now know he restricted flights from china right? Within a few days after saying that. So what. Its nothing.
“We’ve been in very close contact with China, including myself with President Xi. He very much wanted this to happen,” said Trump. “He wanted this to get out and finished and be done. He worked — he’s been working very, very hard, I can tell you that. And they’re making a lot of progress in China.”
Youngorst… They flew here through Europe… With all the bad publicity Trump for that move, you think blocking Europe wouldn’t have been a big deal? Come on… Trump didn’t do the best but he actually shut down the country and handed out checks which is crazy for him, he did what he had to and that says a lot… China is responsible for this not Trump… Our hospitals not being prepared is not his fault, the toilet paper industry not being ready is not his fault, there are many people to blame
Didn’t students from wuwan come to cascade school district In Oregon in January? That’s an example of possibly infected people bringing the virus into the US. China should not have allowed that trip to happen given their knowledge. Also, people die every year all year long from health issues. I won’t blame a president every time someone dies from “Covid”.
Care to point to where I have specifically blamed Trump for a single death?
I don’t blame Trump for the deaths. The virus kills people.
I blame Trump failing to be ready for a virus causing us to have to shutdown our economy when we should have been ready for it and had enough testing to do contact tracing and keep our economy going with much smaller interruption.
Like South Korea
A byproduct of such preparation would have been less dead Americans and Trump winning re-election in a landslide.
Don’t know why he didn’t do it. He’s had warning that we weren’t ready since at least 2018 (longer if he listened to Obama instead of irrationally hating him)
No I don’t think he’s solely responsible for anything, that’s exactly my point… so you are saying he’s responsible for the deaths but you won’t give him credit for the things he did right… as far as the hospitals, I know first hand how it works… the govt asks do you have these supplies, hospital says yes… govt never actually checks if they do… pandemic happens, hospital says we did indeed have them but they don’t function because we stored them in a leaky trailer outside our building… don’t think others are not at fault that’s all I am saying
Which is why we have a federal strategic reserve of supplies for cases where hospitals couldn’t possibly be expected to be prepared. I know Jared said, those aren’t for the states but prior to Jared saying that, the website said they were. So I believe the website.
Congress (not Trump) sent us checks. And if you say “he could have vetoed it”. No he couldn’t, it was a veto proof vote in both the House and the Senate. Trump wanted a payroll tax cut (which would have been useless for unemployed people)
Governors (again not Trump) shut the country down.
And again, find me a single post where I blamed Trump for a single death. You won’t.
Who do you think the stockholders would blame if a company had a massive fuck up that cost them billions? The VP in charge of whatever department fucked up or the CEO?
Likely both but the CEO is definitely answering for it.
Trump trusted WHO numbers. Thats where he fucked up. Those Fuckers deserve what they got.. But you’re insane to think if trump stopping all travel into the US in early February or even late January would have stopped people from dieing.
If you are not into Trump (like me) the back and forth of his words is really distressing. He bounces back and forth between China being great best friends or the biggest evil ever. That lack of any consistent behavior makes you really wonder wtf to think. Then people say don’t take him literally and its like…hes the president is he not supposed to have some policy that you can understand? Like if my former boss told me something I would more or less take them seriously. Hes the boss of the government and no one really knows what he actually thinks about much of anything.
I mean i doubt everyone who supports Trump is blindly trusting but they must give significant benefit of the doubt. You can’t just assume 30% of the country is stupid or something. There’s benefits to people with him being in power or they wouldn’t like him. Even if the benefit is him being an a-hole makes them more normalized or something (not calling all trump supporters an a-hole just an example). The whole reason I framed it that way is to give the angry right wing members of the board a look into what its like being on the otherside.
Its hard to frame anything with Trump without it being inflamatory and I guess that was my drunken attempt haha.
Nuke: Trump tends to tout his relationship with Xi (not that country’s policies) , which is an age-old tactic in international diplomacy. Are you too young to remember the old Cold War dialogue: “We had a frank and business-like discussion.”?
See above, Trump was still praising China at the end of February, it’s almost as if he finally decided to blame China only after he realized he fucked up?
As a non-Trumper, I’m going to give his Covid task force team some credit. Hope that is allowed.
I think their phased plan to re-introduce people back into circulation makes sense and is reasonable. At least what I’ve read so far.
You can’t keep everything on lock down indefinitely, and the guidelines they’ve laid out are on par with what I had hoped for.
That’s fine, except there’s going to be a shit ton of new cases…the problem as I’m reading it is he believes we’ve hit peak. I don’t think that’s true at all if we go out.
Personally I won’t be going out for a while until I know it’s all clear. At least not without PPE.
Flu vaccines are trivalent so they only cover three subtypes any given year. There are hundreds of identified flu viruses that humans can get. There’s two strains of covid-19. People usually are not dieing of a flu strain that we vaccinated against.
Just commenting on the current response to the current status of things.
Can’t go back in time and change what has already happened and I’m not giving a pass for the initial response the first few months.
But we are where we are, so we still need to have a plan for how to move forward. Maybe my expectations are already pretty low at this point, so I’m easy to please.
Asian countries have seen outbreaks like this before. They were well prepared for another one. Everyone has masks too, its cultural. Have you been out in public recently? How odd is it too see people wearing masks shopping at the store? Its very unsettling to me. Asia has been doing it for 40 years.
I would assume we will be very prepared for the next outbreak. That doesn’t help us now, but it will help in the future as long as its not another 100 years.
100% true BB. The difference between us and S. Korea really illustrates that fact. Even if we had a perfect response S. Korea would have done better than us.
Stupid drunk thought experiment: How fast does Japan get whooped in WW2 if the US was at the same level of millitary buildup and prepardness in 1941 that they were in 1945.
Its not impossible but its impractical if you think about how humans work. Someone who has never had even the thought that someone can punch them in the face isn’t going to take lessons for how to defend against getting punched in the face. The US hasn’t had a real threat like this since the Spanish flu. Thats literally 4 generations ago. A capitalist society is not going to invest and prepare for that when we need roads and education and bailouts for JP Morgan.
Humans react to the most pressing thing at any given time (in general) Hell the news cycle lasts like 10 days max on any given story. To be prepared for this a country would need to invest for decades and the citizens would need to be aware and ready for the eventuality. The US is very ready for terrorist attacks and prevention cause we have been hit and its alive in most peoples memories. 9/11 was huge but we have been hit many times since then on a smaller scale over seas. It simply was not a priority and given human nature it made no sense for it to be one.
I think this administration failed to respond and even shot itself in the foot with some bad decisions (ignoring the playbook, not keeping the strategic supply up to date, making its own tests instead of making its own test and using exisitng, personnel decisions) but not making those mistakes wouldn’t mean we do as well as S. Korea. To kick Covid in the ass we would have needed to close all ports of entry in late January and had testing for anyone coming in established. Anyone who tested positive would have had to go to immediate isolation. That step wouldn’t have happened under pretty much any leadership because we had no experience with the results of not doing it.
My guess would be they wouldn’t have got whipped, NB, because if we were at that level of military strength at the time, they wouldn’t have taken us on, but would have just kept nibbling at getting Asian sources of oil, rubber, etc. while continuing to “negotiate” with us, while hoping we would get focused on Germany, et al, and keep our focus on Europe.
What did Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge or Harding do that would have given us equal response to what S. Korea managed?
Human behavior drives everything we do. Until we ascend past our small time scales and limited perspective shit will keep happening that is preventable. We do not have the attention span or psychology to deal with every preventable existential threat all the time. I haven’t heard anyone talk about asteroid impacts, upgrading for catastrophic earthquakes, preparing infrastructure for super volcanoes, upgrading islands and coastal areas for flooding and storm surge, losing fisheries to acidification, nuclear payload attacks or detecting terrorist tunnels outside Topeka this week but they are all things that could hurt us tomorrow and have effects on society for decades. As long as we are still human we WILL NOT be prepared for every threat.
Its common belief in South Korea that if you sleep with a fan on you will die of hypothermia or suffocate. They literally put timers on every fan. They have different experience.
@Ripper – Exactly! We were not prepared for the eventuality so we got a protracted war. Should we blame the the US for not conceiving of being involved in that level of global conflict when we were busy pulling out of the depression? Sure but its pointless. Since then we have been the most dangerous millitary threat in the world cause we don’t want that shit to happen to us again. It has worked to varying effect but damn its expensive.
That makes sense. People who haven’t been sick yet will definitely still want to wear PPE and be cautious.
Still think antibody testing is the missing key ingredient. A large segment of the population will still be hesitant to get out and about, until they know for sure they have or have not already had a bout with the illness. The number of people who have is likely much higher than the reported number of positive cases, simply due to the asymptomatic as well as those who had mild cases and stayed home with no diagnosis.
I’m just saying I’m in favor of the rolling 14 day phase windows and the measured approach. If cases start to creep back up, dial it back. And let the states handle their own approach.
The main issue I have is how do you antibody test 330M people? There will be competition for available testing if availability is limited.
Mimosa strikes again. Was intended as a reply to AB a few posts above. I think this thread is drunk. It’s already having loading issues on my mobile. That happened quickly
We should be masking and keep distancing until it burns out or we have mass vaccination. Pretty sure the only way antibody testing works is if you antibody test prior to vaccination. The phasing sounds good but I really worry that we have been flat at like 25k-30K per day even with isolation. The shutdown would destroy any flu but this thing is really insidious that it still infects that many people when we are not even out in mass.
“The main issue I have is how do you antibody test 330M people?”
IMO you don’t. That’s never going to happen. The other problem is this is looking less like a virus you get once and then have extended immunity for. We might be passing this thing back and forth and all around for a really long time. If you have credible news to the contrary, please share – could use something positive!
I’ve read about 60 papers in the last 3 weeks on Covid. I have no good news in that respect. Honestly the ONLY good things about this virus is the mortality rate (.25-.5) is historically not that bad compared to Ebola or other super deadly bastards and the age range it attacks. I don’t want to be mean to older folks in here but something that kills under 20’s is way more horrific to me than something that is cutting an 80 year olds life shorter.
A coworker of mine lives in China. He told me they have had significant success treating Covid positive patients with blood infusions from recovered patients. So the antibodies may not prevent infections but maybe increase the recovery rate.
Yeah they have been doing plasmid transfer in the US too. Its a challenging treatment because its basically 1 to 1 and we also need plenty of testing. It also is more effective the earlier your start the treatment. The US has been using it in NY and NJ for about 2 weeks but its only approved for compassionate care (they will die so lets try anything). Its really not a great treatment at that stage.
I’m just imagining people who test positive for the antibody will start selling their blood on the black market for millions. Forget gold, start investing in covid antibody plasma!
“I don’t want to be mean to older folks in here but something that kills under 20’s is way more horrific to me than something that is cutting an 80 year olds life shorter.”
If you think of the deaths in terms of number of years saved it’s a fair assessment. It’s a type of triage strategy that makes sense.
One 25 year old should live at least another 40 years, in terms of 80 year old life expectancy, that’s a lot of 80 year olds.
It’s not definitive, but Dr Fauci seems fairly confident recovery from a first bout with thos disease would give you immunity for several months. I think the example he gives is somebody recovering in March would likely be immune if a 2nd wave occurred in September.
There aren’t many examples of recovered patients being reinfected, and in those examples they’re not even certain if the patient had truly recovered because a patient can show alternating positive amd negative test results over a course of days.
Maybe the true test should be to take Tom Hanks and have him work in an NYC hospital with no PPE for a week.
If he survives, I’ll feel confident.
Tom Hanks will reprise one of his most popular roles. Coming 2022 Tom Hanks in “FOREST TRUMP”
The sadly true story of how a simple, orange, orangutan looking, (supposed) billionaire with a laughable comb over some how found himself in the middle of epic world wide events.
Due to social distancing “FOREST TRUMP” will be available for home viewing only.
“Obama’s handling of this whole pandemic has been terrible! As President, ALL responsibility becomes yours during a crisis like this, whether or not you are entirely to blame. John McCain, and for that matter myself, would never let thousands of Americans die from a pandemic while in office.”
Theres a trump contradiction quote for almost any situation. Theres a pretty entertaining site that just does 1 to 1 tweets every time he says something. I can’t find it (saw it like 18 months ago).
Too funny, and of course this exists.
Speaking of, do you have a link to where this is from? To many characters for 2009 twitter, so it mist have been from a book? Cam’t find it yet.
It will be interesting to see how things shake out in higher ed once “normal” returns. OSU already has a strong Online Degree program. I wonder what the campus enrollment will be in September. Someone is going to need to fill all of those new apartment buildings. I expect a good chunk of students find themselves adapting to learning on-line quite well and decide not to return to campus, they can live at home with their folks, work part-time. The only thing they miss out on is frat parties and sports events – and they could still make the trek for those on the weekends.
Cool. Dr Phil making an appearance on Laura Ingraham comparing the Coronavirus to swimming pool deaths. Any significance other than we just wasted time thinking about it?
“….360,000 people a year to swimming pool deaths, but we don’t shut the country down for this”
-Pool accidents are not a communicable disease. Coronavirus is.
-If 360,000 people a year died in pool accidents, we’d shut down pools, because that would be an effective way to curb that number.
-In reality world, 3,600 people die in pool accidents annually. So we put fences around pools and have rules around pool use to hopefully keep that number down.
-This is Dr Phil on Ingraham. I’d learn more by listening to somebody fart into a box fan on high.
Note: Their language sucks. If you have have not received a refund in the last two years then you have to wait. Example: I always owe taxes so I have to wait.
Hey Angry, it’s been 50 years and grad school since I last read Mises, Hayek, etc. Give me a refresher on how a deflationary cycle works through an economy. I know that people holding debt are benefitted by inflation because they pay old debts with cheaper and more numerous dollars. The stock market is up, but that’s a function of naïve optimism that we’re only in for a short recession. As much as they loathe Trump, the Wall Streeters hope he’s right about a V-shaped recovery. the real indicators, it seem to me, are the rising prices of commodities like oil and gold.
(Please carry your response over to a new thread if you start one this morning.)
It’s been five or ten years since I read Hayek, and I only read the Road to Serfdom, which was one of my all time favorite books, btw. I just can’t remember the fine details of it. I should probably re-read it Stat. Mises and the Austrian school have an entire site dedicated to him, and his basic ideas on deflation are here:
I firmly believe we need deflation for an extended period of time in order to feel any “prosperity”…wages have not kept up with inflation, so people have made more money, but they don’t feel any richer, and if anything they feel poorer. This is leading to a lot of unrest and blame being placed on the symptoms instead of the cure.
The argument is not whether Trump is arrogant, incompetent, dishonest, or a sociopath (it is clear he is all of those). It is whether half the country can get over the wedge topics to vote for the best fit.
Most Republicans I know vote Republican regardless of the quality of leadership (see Bush, Trump), they vote for guns, abortion, or against LGBTQ rights to marriage. I’m convinced that won’t change no matter what after seeing them defend Trump even after he lies or goes rogue in the evening news every night – he was supposed to be a middle finger to the system, now he’s a middle finger to decency of our democracy — I would take Bush back just for that reason alone. Deep down whether they know it or not, they know their status quo regarding guns/abortion/LGBTQ will stay intact as long as someone like Trump stays in office — they’ve sold their souls to the mega church preacher with a jet plane.
I agree Biden is not the answer either, like many on here have stated. But lots of people will vote “against” him for fear he will take away their guns, or like my mother says — “Democrats are baby killers”. When people vote for these reasons, this is what we get….the pendulum continues to swing erratically.
And don’t get me wrong, having both parties healthy is a good thing, to maintain checks and balances, but this bullying mob mentality against Dems that Trump Fox News has created is just plain wrong — it’s turning our nation into a bunch of assholes — left and right!
What I really don’t get is how the evangelicals call abortion murder where the bible doesn’t even cover anything about abortion. Jesus/God states that life begins at the first breath not before.
And why does abortion even affect these bible thumpers anyway? It’s not like their precious daughters are the ones getting knocked up who need abortions. it’s the poor and disadvantageous people who are the ones who’d need the abortion the most. But hey we can’t have that can’t let poor people not be poor anymore right? Need those poor people to feed the military right?
Also, what’s with old white men so obsessed with female reproductive systems?? What’s the obsession with Planned Parenthood that provides so many other crucial healthcare needs to disadvantaged people?
I don’t know, I’m pretty mixed on it, depends on early versus late term, etc. Early term before first trimester (12 weeks) is fine by me….I don’t feel right after that. My wife is a big believer in Planned Parenthood, it has many services for the low income demographic. Personally I couldn’t go through with an abortion unless my pregnant wife’s life was in danger. It is just a strange topic for many voters to get hung up on, but it is what it is.
I’m not a religious expert, but I believe it has something to do with a belief of life beginning at conception. Therefore, abortion = murder. Also part of why some non-religious people are also pro-life.
Good points, that’s why I think it comes down to moderates like me. I gave my reasoning above.
I own guns, and I’m not at all afraid of Biden.
The thing is, the (R) spins themselves as the Jesus party with the abortion stuff, but then they fuck over the poor, disabled, veterans, etc to feed money upward to the rich, then saying the poor will get some of those breadcrumbs via “trickle down.” Is that what Jesus would do? My mom votes (R) and is very religious (sent me to a religious schooling for 9 years) so I never get over this aspect of that Party. So it’s not okay to kill a baby, even if it came via a rape, etc, but it is okay to slowly kill the poor, disabled, vets, etc via economic policies? Makes zero sense. I guess once you’re over age 1 Jesus doesn’t give a shit about you!
My wife is a psychiatric care provider here in GA and the amount of hospitalized individuals with psychiatric issues that were sold into human trafficking is astounding. You’d be amazed of how many babies who, unfotunately should have been aborted, are sold to fuel drug habits or are just simply not cared for.
What’s more Godly, caring for a child that’s wanted and loved or letting a child be neglected and possibly abused?
I wonder about this too….they say “it takes a village” but then I don’t expect folks to step-up and just start adopting every orphan either. That’s where states have adoption programs whatnot to encourage families to adopt. There’s actually quite a bit of money involved.
I grew-up in a religious home, parents were more the Christian hippy types of the late sixties early seventies. We witnessed pastors in churches do some awfully bad things — married and then running off with younger sycophant, leaving the wife and kids behind — in both cases these guys were big talkers, and were very good at getting church followers to tithe amounts of money they shouldn’t have. I went to some private schooling early on too (girls wore dresses and boys wore pants….even in the hot summer). I love my parents and I wouldn’t change my upbringing for anything, they are Conservative Republican although my mother and father have opened up to gays a bit more now that she has had gay hair stylists, “they are normal”, and my father had a gay co-worker that he got along with really well. Go figure. They can careless about guns, but will vote Republican every time regarding the abortion issue. My wife and I have considered getting a gun or two, but don’t feel it is the right time given we have a five year old and his friends running around the house getting into everything. We would need training before we brought a gun home.
What’s strange is we were dirt poor growing up, yet my parents somehow found $75 a month to send me to a Catholic school. I had to wear the same uniform every day because they were too poor to buy a second one. It was pretty humiliating. I’ll always sympathize with the downtrodden because of it, and I know they’re not all “lazy”, etc as the Right makes it out. It’s quite offensive, tbh. And yeah, I remember wearing those long pants in the dead of summer. Brutal. Our priests abused the kids verbally, and I saw one teacher hit kids. Luckily we never saw sexual issues. What’s also strange is my parents had gay friends growing up. They’d play cards with these two guys every weekend. So they had no issues with gays. I’m not sure really what was going on. They seemed confused/in conflict.
I own several guns, I’ve never been afraid they were going to be taken away. How does that work exactly? Has anyone described a process describing in realistic terms how it occurs?
Biden is not an exciting candidate. This is his third run at the presidency, I’m unconvinced he has new ideas (e.g. Angry’s point about taking on the Fed), but under Biden I don’t think democracy would be undone as is the case with the Trump administration. Biden COULD get a good VP candidate and actually make the VP meaningful and that could be productive.
Who are the good leadership candidates for 2024 and 2028? Some Rs are already calling for Donald Jr., and I thought it couldn’t get worse.
I’m a conservative and I don’t care if women want abortions, its a personal liberty.
As for gay marriage, let them get married i don’t care. But what i do care about is that the government has no business in any marriage gay or straight. There wouldn’t be this big problem if government just butted out of it.
I have leaned Republican for fiscal responsibility, although that seems to be grey when contrasting the two parties nowadays. I won’t vote based on guns, abortion or LGBTQ unless the choice is way too far to the right (I liked McCain and Romney) or left ( I wouldn’t vote for Sanders).
When has the GOP ever been fiscally responsible? Other than claiming they are when they don’t control the White House the evidence since at least Reagan strongly suggests that if you are a fiscal conservative you should want a Democrat in the White House.
I get your point….there is a lot of that kind of talk from the Neo-Republicans, so it sounds great and it gets them elected — the money has got to come from somewhere — and I’m not opposed to tax increase if the goals are clear, at least on a State/local level where I can actually see the results and/or hold them to it. Like others have commented, there is no money for health care, but all of a sudden there are trillions of dollars to keep the economy propped up — there is a balance between circumstance and accountability — so maybe all that has changed since Obama, but I don’t see it. Obama had major warts going into his 2nd term, enough that I couldn’t vote for him a second time, but thought he did good to get us out of the Great Recession. Clinton is the only one to balance the budget in my lifetime, but again, the times have changed and it is hard to judge given the world and national dynamics are all different. Trump has done well with China trade and IP, but I can’t think of anything else he’s been great at (other than his narcissistic comments that divide us, he’s good at that). The economy would of done great with or without him, and he’s building a wall with our money that he promised would get from Mexico. He has pardoned a shit load of white collar criminals and gave the presidential medal of freedom to a radio talk show host that panders to him, spreads ill-founded conspiracy and divides people and our nation.
What were Obama’s economic warts going into his 2nd term? The debt we accumulated during his first term is what saved the economy, you can’t give him credit o fixing the economy while attacking him for the very tool needed to do that.
Did you look at the deficits during his 2nd term? All lower than the deficits during Trump’s Presidency.
Don’t agree on your assessment with regards to Trump and China either. All bluster, no real policy. China is stealing just as much IP as they were before Trump.
TPP was an actual policy that would have isolated China.
Debt doesn’t save an economy it just delays the crash.
Each “save” requires more debt.
Obama made things worse by printing money. Trump just made them 10x worse. At some point we’re going to default and go through an actual great depression, and it’s on everyone going back to Woodrow Wilson, but especially since Nixon. Federal Reserve problem not a president problem.
Less federal government? Less spending? Although lately Trump hasn’t done either. His new taxes screwed my family over. Like I said it’s a grey area both parties seem to dabble in and out of. Believe me, I would love to have less spending on the military and other things, and more spending on public schools and infrastructure — typically Democratic focuses.
I keep harping on his sociopathic behavior but not all sociopaths are bad nor all their behavior bad ….Surgeons tend to be sociopathic by nature because they have ingrained empathetic distance and do not get caught up in the emotion of the surgery or the very fact that the person’s life they are performing on is literally resting in their hands. Sociopaths are attracted to positions of power/influence – CEOs, Lawyers, Media, Sales, Surgeons….
At the time 2012, I just didn’t see Obama getting very far with the Congress and all of the Debt Ceiling BS from 2011…lots of the way he was being attacked in the media, wasn’t directly on him, so I thought going a different direction was warranted – think I ended up voting for Gary Johnson (Libertarian-Independent). I really wasn’t against or upset that Obama got elected at the time, thought he did OK….was tired of the entire system floundering (Boehner being an ass), and was willing to give someone else a shot. I was living in Portland at the time, and knew my vote wasn’t going to tip the scales….more of a protest vote to the way the system was being mishandled at all levels. Again, I don’t vote party lines, I vote based on the circumstances and needs at the time.
I’m curious if people are seeing changes in other behavior. The increased alcohol consumption is one (I heard sales are up 30%, have seen articles that its up 55% over March of 2919). This has the potential to impact people long term. What else are people doing that might have a longer term impact?
Also, what is/can Smith do to keep team engaged and motivated during this time? There’s only so much the staff can do, but I would expect them to be innovative compared to Riley or Andersen and wonder how they’re doing in comparison to other league programs? Teams are likely sharing approaches?
Now the stay at home order is Democratic oppression. Trump is an evil genius. I gotta give him that.
President Trump on Friday issued an online call to “LIBERATE” Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia, all states where protesters have gathered in public this week to demonstrate against stay-at-home orders issued by Democratic governors
What did the 2nd amendment have to do with Covid19?
Trying to understand the line of thinking, other than it’s code for
“stock up on guns while you can!(this message has been brought to you by the NRA and Reynolds tinfoil hats)”
LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!
I gave him credit for coming up with a reasonable plan, knowing in the back of my mind he would completely sabotage it within 24 hours. And he has.
No wonder the gun store had a line down the sidewalk.
While, whatever it’s code for if I were a governor I’d be bulking up my security detail.
I’d give even odds that one of the ‘patriots’ that follow Trump’s teachings will try to take out at least one of Democratic (or even one of the few non-Trump cult GOP Governors).
You know, the 2nd Amendment solution that the US Constitution demands.
Could you imagine the rage on the right if a Democrat tweeting/said even 1 of these ridiculous things?
Once he gets those 7 SCOtUS judges too, really watch out.
We’ve seen what he and his party have gotten away with on a 5-4 court. 7-2? They might let him declare him self Emperor Trump, with the right to choose his successor.
I thought it was great, but then I thought Smith was right going for it on 4th down.
It wasn’t loading for some people, I mean.
oh.
Is Damir Collins a legit recruit?
Like legit we could land him or a legit rating?
Both
If he doesn’t pick Oregon I think we have a great shot. Highlights look awesome, I would say he is worth his rating.
Just re-posting what I posted about Collins towards the end of the last thread, in case anybody missed it.
I’ve read he cam’t sign with oregon necaise of Oregon hiring former Jefferson HS coach Johnson to their staff. I think it was Nemec who said his former HS players cannot go to oregon now, and there are a few who could potential be Beavs.
I think our chances are decent to be in his top 3, when Collins announces his top 3 list May 1st. From there, it will be a tough battle to land him and also hang onto him. He’s a pretty impressive athlete. Saw him play in person earlier this year and he definitely stood out.
If I had to put a percentage on it, I can’t go above 50/50 at this time. But that still would mean we’re very much in the conversation currently
He’s a little undersized, but he reminds of JJ with his cutting ability.
Last thread didn’t get to Godwin’s law.
Close but no cigar. I think the most aggressive one ended up being the no politics one. Proof that repression of behaviors leads to bad behavior?
@BleedOrange – You doing any farming? I have a good friend on big island who’s been living the simple life for about 15 years. Hes more on grid these days cause of his daughters but he had a pretty awesome fruit and animal farm. I don’t think he’s worn underwear in 2 decades.
Lol. No big time farming just enough for us. I live with an old Hawaiian up north and his family comes up a lot to help with maintaining the property. We have pigs, chickens, lemons,coconuts, papaya, dragonfruit,carrots,cucumber, peppers,lettuce, goats. Were setup pretty good for this whole situation. There isn’t running water up here so were not able to have to large of a garden. It’s really low maintenance though. Everything thrives out here as long as you have water.
That’s awesome man. How long you been living unencumbered?
Any GOP members in district 2 considering this guy? Wtf lol
They are so dumb that they don’t even know their candidates real name. Does that make a good endorsement?
No, Knute Buehler will win the Republican primary and general election here. Book it….
I actually like Knute and am annoyed he’s settling up to Trump now (did the opposite in his run for governor) but I get it.
Kind of has too for at least the primary, hoping he’s less pro Trump as a Congressman.
Agree…. his commercials are for primary consumption will pivot for the general. The R wing nuts don’t like him because he’s open minded on choice. Has to be better than Trump puppet Walden.
I went to schools Knute’s brother, Mark and we played Babe Ruth on the same team. Ka-Nute used to come to our practices and we’d flick him crap and called him Ka-Nute from that point on. Nice family and very, very intelligent. Kah-Nute!!!!!
Great story. Can you tell it again? In English next time please.
“I hate brown people, love trump and totin’ guns, vote for me whatever my name is!”
More like Freakin’ Dumb-pecker
He’s actually Jimmy Carpetbagger.
A West Hills type of hillbilly. Loves the second amendment so much bought his first hunting license they day he announced he was running.
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/03/11/a-longtime-portlander-seeks-to-ride-president-trumps-coattails-into-a-rural-congressional-seat/
We are going to turn this district someday–won’t be this cycle. There’s a couple of candidates here who think they’re John Wayne…
We are visiting our vacation home near Sisters. As such I saw this commercial for the first time on the local channel Bend 21. My first thought was that it was an SNL skit as it’s so ridiculous. Turns out this guy is a “carpet bagger” from Portland from an old socially prominent westside family. He is staying at a family vacation home in Tumalo. He has no political experience and is solely trying to ride Trump’s coattails. Public records indicate that he has never even had a hunting license until 2019.
Agree home fry, the odds of the congressional district turning blue are good, eventually. Affluent, educated people are flocking to central Oregon.
I have two friends, retired Portland lawyers, that have retired, here, in central Oregon. They think this guy is a total cartoon. They and their wifes will add at least four blue votes that weren’t in this area in 2016.
“Affluent, educated people are flocking to central Oregon.”
You’re the anomoly?
Don’t line read. Reading comprehension problem. Read the material. Don’t be in a hurry. You can do better.
… “live here”. Damn phone.
“Don’t be in a hurry. You can do better.”
:::wink:::
It was a joke, son, a joke, don’t get yer feelers hurt.
Only the “proper type” moving to Central Oregon I’m sure. Affluent and educated. Because Republicans cant possibly be that right? And of course those good folks vote blue! Because if you are an R you are not of the proper mindset. Most likely poor, uneducated, and an all around dolt. Yeah we get it. Myself I am quite happy to have some red on my neck. Keeps me honest.
Your right, the district may very well turn blue. Lots of Californians moving north after they have played their part of ruining a great state. Move up here and play your part here.
“That’s the facts… Jack”. Bill Murray Stripes
What a weird flex. It’s just demographic statistics. The more educated some one is the more likely they are a Democrat and the more likely they are affluent. Ofc people can be affluent Republicans or poor Democrats. Young people are also moving here and anyone millenial or gen z is likely to be college educated, Democrat and in debt. Bend will end up blue because the people moving here and the people entering the voting pool are more likely to vote blue. The people leaving the voting pool by moving or death tend to be Republicans.
Down votes for reality? Y’all are trippin. Oh wait it’s cause I said flex huh?
I think it’s pretty difficult to be educated and support Trump.
All Republicans? No? Trump? Yes, gotta be pretty dumb in my opinion
I do find it amusing when people claim California is a “ruined state” though
5th biggest economy in the world, seems California is doing okay to me.
Definitely disagree with that one. Education and intelligence had little to do with supporting a politician. Most people will just support the party that they think is best for their future.
Example: Millennials and Gen Z have historically high support for Democrats mostly because the Republicans offer us next to nothing.
I don’t disagree with your larger point, you’ll just never convince me an intelligent human that actually loves America could still support Trump.
I’ll give them their 2016 vote (people do dumb stuff) but if you still plan to vote for him in 2020, I refuse to see you as an intelligent human that loves America.
But voting for Biden will be smart?
Yep. Repair the damage. Rejoin the world community. Put competent people in charge of agencies. Sounds smart to me.
Compared to Trump? Voting for the tree in my front yard would be better.
I would vote for a Jaba the Hut/Pizza the Hut ticket before Trump and anyone.
Rejoin the world community? Great, globalism is working so well. I have watched joe Biden lately. Nothing i have seen gives me any confidence that he is competent.
Globalism would have meant the USA would have had scientists in Wuhan back in December/January
How would that have been a bad thing?
If they are affluent, they are likely to be republican…
https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-republicans/
Those who are “educated” have had more opportunity to be biased by our liberal college education system.
I’m not very good at words, but let’s play this out…I’ll assume my protagonists here on the board are both educated and affluent Republicans. There’s just one thing I will never understand…
Don Trump has been a total failure in running his businesses (6 filed bankruptcies!), apparently lacks a moral compass, and refuses to take responsibility for any of his actions-too long to list here.
How as a “Good ol’ boy-proud to have a red neck, and assuming (by me) to have proper OSU conservative values”, could you give this guy the time of the day? He’s a total fraud of a person.
I think you mean antagonists, and speaking for myself you’re wrong in your characterization.
Oh sorry that was just terrible English. I meant if they go to college they are more likely to be affluent.
like all those people drowning in student loans?. What world are you living in?
The one with statistics that show financial outcomes for degreed individuals are better.
This blog is becoming more effluent.
Lol. No big time farming just enough for us. I live with an old Hawaiian up north and his family comes up a lot to help with maintaining the property. We have pigs, chickens, lemons,coconuts, papaya, dragonfruit,carrots,cucumber, peppers,lettuce, goats. Were setup pretty good for this whole situation. There isn’t running water up here so were not able to have to large of a garden. It’s really low maintenance though. Everything thrives out here as long as you have water.
Hey Angry, the most recent issue of Chronicle of Higher Education is right up your alley. Dozens of essays on the future of higher education and (trust me on this) the mood is not optimistic.
One essay stood out for me because it captured the kind of critical analysis of deeper seated problems we face in this culture, obscured though they may be, for example, by the extrapolation we saw on the last lamented thread, which reached the ultimate absurdity with the implied idealization of the ultimate Romantic, Fletcher Christian. (And for the record, Nuke, I’m a student of 18th century naval history.)
Most of the essays were from the pampered professoriate but somehow the editors secured a contribution from a janitor at the University of Washington. (As Butt-Head once famously said: “Now we’re getting somewhere.”) Here’s a sample:
“A modern day city state unto itself, UW is a not-so-shining example of how years of neoliberal rot have made our institutions–and especially the people who live, learn, and work in them–particularly vulnerable to the current crisis.
“Roughly 8,000 of those employees earn over $100,000 a year, with some earning in the millions; meanwhile, campus workers in kitchens eat leftovers before they’re thrown out because they can’t afford groceries, let alone medical bills.”
“Brochures tout UW’s commitment to capital “D” Diversity, while Filapina and Ethiopian housekeeping staff on minimum wage, along with so many other essential people who keep the university running–people like me and my co-workers–have never been treated as anything more than shadows in the background.”
“My managers are hiding in their offices. Their managers are hiding in their homes. Still, I worked the law-school building and the Burke Museum alone today.”
Anybody get their emergency stimulus checks in the mail yet?
Oh, no, that’s impossible, they’re being held up so the king can have them printed with his name on the memo line, since he can’t be considered a signer but wants to have the checks branded with his name in some way shape or form.
Hope you weren’t waiting on those funds with any sense of urgency.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1250231320300720135?s=19
I thought you had said yours was in your account the other day?
The wife is getting two unemployment checks tomorrow, one is the federal aid portion. Neighbor works for the IRS and said they are very understaffed. Fingers crossed checks show up.
Direct deposit isn’t the same as checks. If direct deposit doesn’t work for you then you have to apply via the online tool to get a physical check. NB got a direct deposit.
That’s correct. The peasants will get their physical checks hand delivered by the soon to be defunct USPS after they get reprinted.
Ah yes how did you know I was a peasant. But, my check will be a thing of beauty.
Thanks for clarifying they are two different things hahahahah
This is the least surprising thing in the history of surprise. What a vapid lizard.
The psychic meltdown is coming soon, make sure you watch the daily “Apprentice President” show
I’m good, I don’t really like campaign rallies.
Some experts are saying that social distancing should be implemented until 2022.
I’m interested to know how many colleges (particularly in Oregon) will file for bankruptcy by then.
Stay at home orders and social distancing aren’t the same thing.
Social distancing in some form is almost certain to exist until a vaccine is developed and widely distributed.
That’s just a fact, consumers aren’t gonna go into crowded buildings by choice until then.
Doesn’t mean nothing re-opens.
So I’ve heard people say “when we were younger and the neighbor kid has chicken pox my parents would send us over there so we would get chicken pox and build our immune system.” Am I just getting bored with this stay at home thing?? Thankfully I get to go to work sometimes so I can get out of the house.
Mortality rate for kids with chicken pox is 1/100,000 so way less deadly. That said for people under 30 the mortality rate for Covid is extremely low. Hard part is how do you isolate 130 million people (mostly under 18) for 10+ days to keep the over 30 crowd safe. If we had the logistics it really would not be a bad idea. Getting 30%+ immunity in 10 days would be a huge boon for society.
first sensible thing Young has said in a week.
Only if you agree with Trump that he has unlimited power.
If you think Trump is king (like he views himself) I can see why you don’t find me sensible.
If you actually prefer living in a democracy with semi competent leadership everything I’ve said is sensible.
I agree with the general premise but you are on the vent rage train my man. Gotten better the last two days for sure.
I don’t agree Trump has unlimited power, and neither does he, having backed away from his idiotic comments on Monday. Unlike you, however, I can see when Trump is thinking out loud and when he’s making a policy choice. This is so elemental: watch was someone DOES, not what they SAY.
What people say matters. And Trump has DONE illegal things as POTUS.
Fact.
Distancing or isolation? Until the virus is gone completely or we have a vaccine masking and distancing is good sense. It won’t happen though.
well, if that’s the calculus, welcome to the next Depression.
Calculation or calculus?
Will be hitting 2 million reported infections world wide sometime in the next 2 hours. Mortality for reported infections is around 6% (reported infections are only 5-15% of total infections depending on what source you look at). US has just over 30% of reported cases and just over 20% of the deaths.
And yet who knows how accurate any of these numbers are (not an attack on your specific numbers). Anyone that dies right now has some sort of Covid complication so they become part of the statistics, then we hear about negative tests that aren’t correct, lack of testing, hospitals miscoding and the list goes on.
Absolutely. We are crippled by bad data. The best stuff I’m seeing is anti body studies cause it gives us accurate infection rate and the number of cases in the study are fairly small so you can hope the mortalities are counted accurately.
according the my friends wife (RN) they haven’t given a flu test in over a month. If you have flu like symptoms you are told to go home and isolate, if you can’t breathe you are admitted and given a covid19 test. I don’t know if that is everywhere in oregon or just her hospital.
Say Oregon is only testing for covid19 but not the flu. So Oregon has given 32000 tests with just over 1600 positives. How many of those tested had the flu instead?
How many did they turn away with mild symptoms that had covid? Or the flu? Or something else? Seems like we are missing the boat on getting an accurate picture of whats going on by just lumping everything in to the covid pile. The numbers suggest something else is moving through Oregon alongside covid19.
My doc gave me a flu test last week, not a hospital though. The data requisition is garbage for sure. It’s hard to make a case for how to respond when we lack good data.
My medical profession friends, general doctor and Rhuematolgist have all told me there had been an Adenovirus running around the PNW since November. It had almost the exact same symptoms of mild covid. All anecdotal of course.
I had that bug…vicious sore throat, dry cough, lasted 4 weeks, no fever, labored breathing or fatigue though
My dad(SE Portland suburbs near Clackamas/Milwaukie) was sent to the ER with quickly developing pneumonia symptoms and fever around March 17th. They tested for both flu and Covid19. Flu test came back negative during his visit. They sent him home to self quarantine while he waited 2 days to get his negative Covid19 result. Still not close to 100% a month later.
Supposedly the covid test throws a 30% false negative result
How does 127k deaths out of 2 million cases equal a 6% mortality rate?
With math.
126,000/2,000,000 = 0.063
0.063 X 100 = 6.3%
If we want to get technical and round properly it is 6.4% lol.
Math……
I’m an engineer not a math major haha.
Rev is lucky OSU doesn’t have an SAT.
Hey man math can be hard if you don’t keep in the game. Revs got a fine brain.
This may explain why I switched to Exercise & Sports Science after 2 terms of pre Engineering.
Death count is definitely inflated. COVID-19 is being reported at death, even without a positive test, since reimbursement rates are higher for that CPT code. I work with self-funded medical plans and have seen this trend. Gone through several chart notes of supposedly COVID-19 patients without finding a COVID-19 test result.
We work with the data we have. I’m sure there will be a decade of masters thesis doing data analysis on the numbers.
As expected, Smith, Tinkle and Barnes essentially taking pay cuts for the next year. If the games aren’t played, they’ll probably take more cuts.
They should just take it all out of Tinkle’s salary… Who exactly were we outbidding on that one?
I have always thought we would get plenty of Jersey sales just off the last name. People are more mature with their dollar than me though.
once the coaches in Pullman did they didn’t have a choice. Bad optics.
They’re not taking pay cuts. They are getting the same paycheck each month, only now they are making a tax-deductible, voluntary, donation to “Our Beaver Nation” so that fund can continue paying bills in the department of athletics.
7% is a pittance on a multi-million dollar salary. Sure, for a $2M salary it’s $140k, which seems like a lot to my checkbook, but it’s nothing to them. Plus, it doesn’t reduce the costs of their salaries – the department doesn’t lower its bottom line, which includes benefits, PERS, etc., based on the whole number. And, as noted, it’s a tax write-off for them.
What would be bold is for coach to say “take half my salary and use it to pay scholarships/expenses for non-athletes who are getting hit hard financially by the situation.” He’d still be taking home over a million annually – not bad pay for not having a season to play…
Expect more of these kinds of violations.
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2020/04/olcc-suspends-license-of-s-oregon-bar-that-defied-coronavirus-order-authorities-say.html
When May comes, I think rural areas may get some restrictions lifted especially ones with few cases. Areas with low population density wouldn’t have to stay at home or close bars. Likely keep capacity at 50% or so. Public recreation will still be closed.
@Angry, how many shares of Amazon did you buy when the market was down? New record high today I do believe and hiring to keep up with the demand.
Just 1. But I owned a share in the 800s from years ago. This is no time to be a hero and allocate a lot to any one name.
BTW, stocks are nearly 80% overvalued now.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=qLC
Extend that graph out to April 2020 (for some reason it defaults to 2014). 1.0 is fair value. Below 0.8 is cheap. We’re at 1.8! This chart is the “Buffet indicator” and a time tested metric for cheap vs expensive for the lay man. But markets can always go higher and become more irrational. I’m actually looking to short if options get cheap. This is the dumbest move in history, and I’ve been following markets since I was a kid.
Buffett must hate this market. No cigar butts in sight.
It’s all irrational sentiment, momentum, and the misunderstanding that a large drop equates to cheap. A lot of cheerleaders on CNBC lured people back in saying things are cheap.
We’ll see how cheap things are as we hit earnings season. If “investors” want to pay premiums for zero returns that’s their prerogative, but I’m looking to short that irrationality.
Even if we look out a year the picture isn’t good. So, I don’t get it other than “they’re printing money!”…yeah, liquidity, I get it, but that hasn’t worked well for Japanese stocks. If it’s inflation concern there’s way better things to own.
Do you think we will hit 1.0 or less on the Buffett indicator anytime soon? I feel like the market is so disconnected from reality.
It just seems like the Uber rich, funds and pensions have so much wealth that they can just make artificial fluctuations all over the market to keep consolidating wealth. There’s some seriously large amounts of wealth that can prop up the market.
Another part of the equation is that there’s nowhere else to go for yield. Same old story from the last decade+. Lots of money concentrated in a few hands so there’s no velocity and nothing to keep earnings going up. Eventually bankers either make up new derivatives to invest in, or they just keep plowing the money into the same assets.
The big funds also have rules for asset allocation, so even if they wanted to, they couldn’t move 10%+ into gold or other things that are more inflation-proof.
Natural gas stocks could be a good play with oil demand cratering and prices around $20. There’s a lot of gas that comes from shale oil plays that will stop flowing in the next 6-9 months. which means better prices for the pure gas players. The trick is finding the producers that have strong balance sheets.
and right on cue, today is the first day of earnings reports and the market is down.
Do you think we will hit 1.0 or less on the Buffett indicator anytime soon? I feel like the market is so disconnected from reality.
I’m not sure when we will hit it, but everything mean reverts, at least in real terms. Stocks might keep going up but each share buys you less and less, so nominal gains are possible forever if they keep printing money. e.g. Venezuela had the best stock market in history in nominal terms, but it buys a loaf of a bread.
Why mess with that? I’d rather own many other things. They’re simply way too expensive. Better hedges that aren’t gold or silver: lumber/tree farms, antiques, guitars, vintage tools, collectables, food, toilet paper, “new old stock”…many others. All good inflation hedges. I’d buy all these things before looking at stocks. Stocks now need to drop 50% to even get a look. There are a handful of names that are still good, but not the overall market (indexes).
There are two major forces at work. Everything you mention and we know about (pensions have to buy, fed buying everything) versus the reality that you’re getting zero return on investment, in real terms, at these prices. At the end of the day, you buy a stock for a share of its future profits. With crappier profits on the horizon and stocks going up (until today) how would that make any sense? The only reason we had that last rally was (a) pension funds triggered buy signal (b) shorts covered (c) liquidity where people front-run the FED. I get all that, but it went overboard, and to me that’s all speculation and not investing. The FED encouraged more speculation, and we’ll see how far it goes.
There is the great Keynes quote “Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent”…we’ll see.
Today is a good first step to break the stupidity.
Talking investment strategy: in one of Taleb’s books, he talks about the barbell strategy where you concentrate most of your portfolio in both assymetric risk, high-reward opportunities and extremely low-risk assets, with only a little invested in the middle ground. So, roughly a 45-10-45 allocation.
My opinion is that “momentum” stocks are the 10 in that portfolio right now.
I think the inflation/deflation question is interesting right now, too. In theory, we should have inflation with all the money being printed, but as we’ve seen the last decade, it also matters who gets that money. We could just as easily have deflation in everyday staples and inflation in financial assets. Oil at $20 is definitely deflationary. High unemployment is deflationary. But longer term if production starts moving back onshore (not just in the US), that’s massively inflationary.
Angry- antiques and collectibles seem to me like a play on QE and lots of money in a few hands having to find a home somewhere. It’s no coincidence art prices, for example, have been shattering records the last 10 years. You’re talking about a pretty small market to begin with that only gets smaller as disposable income shrinks and unemployment goes up.
Beav in DE, do you read Mises at all? He states that inflation is the mere creation of the money. And it will flow where it flows. Many of us think of inflation as price increases in consumer goods. But if it flows to assets that’s where you get the inflation. Makes sense it’s flowing there in this past cycle since they (investors/banks) are the ones getting the money first, and whoever touches the money first in an inflation gets the most of its purchasing power. MMT/stimulus checks etc that put money in the peoples’ hands are all extremely inflationary compared to the past “experiments.” We already have the inflation, and it’s just a matter of when/where it gets unleashed. Inflation, as you probably know, is a function of velocity. If they print 10 tril and it sits in a banks coffer, that is potential inflation, but until it circulates (velocity) and with speed, then you might see none. This is why MMT is so inflationary. It is money creation/inflation but it also has the velocity variable where it moves money around fast. Moving jobs back to the US is inflationary, but that might be good inflation since it’s coupled with productivity. Inflation via organic growth isn’t necessarily bad…lesser evil at least. Zero inflation, as is under a gold standard, with high productivity is best of course. That’s how you get an actual increase in standard of living. But the other would at least maintain a standard of living. Right now almost everyone is experiencing a decrease in standard of living, even if they don’t realize it yet due to the illusion of nominal gains.
PS. I’m not talking art and specifically left that off the list. There are antiques for the common man. I listed one in tools. Very nice vintage tools out there that are mint and sell below made in China tools. How is that not an arbitrage opportunity? I’m grabbing as many nice tools as I can. I can use them, they’re gorgeous, and the alternatives are made in China crap being sold at three times the prices. I bought an incredible set of wrenches and pliers for $20 last week. There are many others besides tools…I can’t give them all away! I need to get more. ;)
Beav in DE, I also have a theory that the reason we’re not seeing hyperinflation yet (besides what I wrote above) is that the printed money is merely an offset right now. So say in 2008 GDP should have dropped 80%, but due to all the printing, it only dropped 20%. That 60% difference was the printed money/inflation. So we all should have experienced cheaper goods, cheaper homes, etc, and the FED “saved the day” but making all those things expensive for us. If that makes sense. Not sure I’m explaining it well. But basically the inflation can be the difference where prices should have dropped to (lower) vs where they actually did drop (not low or even higher in some cases). Now throw wages and how they haven’t increased to meet those prices, and you can see how it’s been extremely inflationary, way more than being reported.
I have this book in my Amazon cart, and will read it soon. I agree with the premise: The Price of Tomorrow: Why Deflation is the Key to an Abundant Future.
Going to read it soon. We need deflation. It’s the only way you actually get a standard of living increase. I mean how is getting more goods for less money bad? It’s not unless you produce and own the goods, and most people don’t. It’s very clear who the FED is protecting.
Agreed on the monetary stuff. As an investor, the “locked up money theory” should lead to the conclusion that asset prices will go up if the Fed doesn’t allow bankruptcies. That’s really the only way value gets destroyed (dividends buybacks, etc. leak out into the mainstream, but that’s a drop in the bucket) and if the Fed doesn’t let it happen, the money just keeps going around in a circle.
Any idea of a free source for tracking fund flows?
Lots of major questions lie ahead for our programs/family.i suggest buckling down, batton down the hatches, this is war. These are soldiers on the front lines at Walmart right now. We all need to take time and kiss everyone’s ass we can that is working. When the great toilet paper shortage hits, Martha from electronics becomes Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon and 2005 Beyonce Knowles combined.
I’m fighting Kate Brown later this month live on pay per view at the Salem armory. Get your tickets today!
This is for wanna , gives the explanation of how the virus escaped from lab..
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/14/the-washington-post-goes-rogue-china-lab-in-focus-of-coronavirus-outbreak/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=Valerie/#e9e48a1ee1f2
Thanks, Nemac. I wasn’t going to say any more about this because some folks, when you challenge their world view using dialectics, just start throwing f-bombs and calling people stupid; or a cultist.
I like critical thinking lefties like Glen Greenwald (unlike the silly, sentimental Romantics that populate the punditocracy, more interested in posing at the barricades with the “resistance” than changing things) who is already predicting that the corporate media will rush to defend the CCP/WHO now that Trump is challenging that regime. The same people who spent 3 years on a wild goose chase into the wilds of Russia and Ukraine will align with the folks who unleashed the virus. (Follow Stephen Cohen, from the Nation, for more insights)
One more thing, before it’s all done, don’t be surprised if we find out way downstream that the release wasn’t an accident.
Chris Martensen is a Libertarian (R leaning) and he blasted the WHO. Why would anyone defend the WHO? They were an absolute disaster. I’m not sure if cutting all funding is the move, but some kind of reform was needed. I haven’t followed that story closely. Is the money going to go into founding our own version of the WHO? We can’t have nothing…
The problem is Trump is trying to blame his failures on them. So it’s not binary.
I think Trump’s gambit is to populate the staff of WHO with Americans. He’s using funding as leverage
No, you see your problem is that like Trump you expect a totalitarian dictatorship to tell the truth.
That makes you (and Trump) the fools.
Prior Presidents had representatives from the USA in places like this so they knew the facts instead of stupidly taking the word of China.
But I forgot, it isn’t Trump’s job to protect us from countries that deceive us.
My bad.
Like Jared Kushner? That’s going to be just fantastic.
Trump has refused to appoint Americans to positions we already have in WHO.
What are you even talking about?
It’s not a Gambit. He punishes anyone who disagrees with him. His upbringing taught him that you punish people with taking allowance or yelling at them.
I was impressed (above) that you are familiar with Mises and Austrian school economics.
So the Chamber of Commerce is an anti-Trump leftist organization?
They are siding with WHO
of course they are, the Chamber is the paragon of globalism. Sell out the working class at every turn
I simply don’t believe you when you say you don’t like Trump.
You clearly love the guy.
Still just speculation. I can’t find any peer reviewed papers or studies that show it’s man made. Plenty of motivation to blame China and plenty to blame anything but China.
Maybe it’s not man made. Is cow milk man made or does the dairyman just extract, refine and deliver the milk?
Very true! If it isn’t man made then the lab got it from a natural source. In that case they were doing some crazy viral breeding programs in a lab (way more difficult than it sounds) or they found the virus in nature. Sure they could have released it from the lab but if from a natural source then it could already be on circulation. It’s complicated and there I can’t find any public info nation or data that supports the China Lab hypothesis.
That doesnt mean it’s true or not true, it means the speculation is speculation and not fact. I can’t think of any good reason the origin would be hidd n by anyone but China and it’s allies so Intel communities holding back is pretty unlikely.
If F_Nemac had phrased it, “gives an explanation of how the virus COULD have escaped the lab” I wouldn’t have had anything to say.
You are right nuc, I should of put “could”
No problem. Wasn’t meant as an attack. Just justifying why I’m so annoying!
Tried to touch on this in the thread where I extrapolated the numbers, but people weren’t having it.
https://www.propublica.org/article/theres-been-a-spike-in-people-dying-at-home-in-several-cities-that-suggests-coronavirus-deaths-are-higher-than-reported
Stop trying to break the, ” over reaction” narrative angry.
WSJ today has a story today stipulating that this is a particular problem in Europe.
Hey OOB, just so you know Ionescu is taking her degree in marketing and brand responsibility SERIOUSLY:
“Ionescu would have likely been the No. 1 pick in last year’s WNBA draft. After the Ducks’ loss to Baylor in the national semifinals, she opted to return to Oregon and is currently finishing her master’s degree in advertising and brand responsibility.
The coursework is already being put to practical use as Ionescu listens to pitches from Nike, Under Armour and Puma. She is hoping to decide this week whether to sign with Oregon benefactor Phil Knight’s company, to follow Steph Curry’s path or blaze her own unique trail.
“The money is important, but I think just the vision and the kind of plan that they have in place for me,” Ionescu said of the factors she is weighing. “In what I can do, not only for the sport, but for basketball and society.”
To me, its kind of analogous to a beauty queen talking about world peace….I wonder who she’ll choose?!?
Well, if she chooses Nike, then she clearly does not deserve a degree in “brand responsibility”.
To me, its kind of analogous to a beauty queen talking about world peace….I wonder who she’ll choose?!?
so…she’s just like Ivanka?
I have trouble taking a degree in marketing and brand responsibility SERIOUSLY.
She can be a director of child slave labor at Nike.
Your team wears Nike. How ironic
Unfortunate, but not ironic.
Reebok gal huh? Gotcha
nice one, BeeG.
You dweebs sure spend a ton of time, energy and angst on Sabrina. Further proof that she not only dominated your team on the court, but also lives rent free in your heads off of it too. With one swipe of the pen on Friday, she will have made more money than you have in your entire lifetime. Is that why you’re angry? Here is the catch….. what loser’s like you people think of her degree path makes no difference to her. She has worked hard in the classroom and on the court. I applaud her for that. You wouldn’t know the kind of dedication it takes so you sit on your couch in Albany across from the paper mill as its shadow looms large in your trailer’s front window and you try to insult her intelligence instead. Classic beav loser right there. We get it, she snubbed Scott and went to Oregon. Don’t you think its time to let it go now?
Not sure about dominated, the teams she was on were .500 against OSU.
What does that have to do with individual play? Her lowest point total in 8 games against osu was 14, highest 35 with a mix of several 20 games. Then you have rebounds and assists. The teams she was on were actually less than .500 against osu. Just don’t get how fans of a team that wears NIKE can make disparaging comments. Phil hands you money in an apparel and gear contract and you bite his hand? That’s gratitude for ya. Then to disparage the best college basketball player just because she’s a Duck and she snubbed the beavers and Rueck? Seems extremely juvenile and petty. But consider the source I guess. I for one, think Pivec is an excellent player. My HS teams have played against her, Sabrina and the Hull twins from Stanford. All excellent examples of hard-working dedicated student-athletes regardless of the major they chose.
I never said Nike was giving boatloads of money to osu but they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them. osu has plenty of rich alumni. Where are they? Why aren’t they giving?
She is a great player no doubt, but it is a team game. The Nike thing, I wish OSU would go with a different company but that is not going to happen. Yes, Nike gives OSU money but they give a lot of schools money. You make it sound like Nike is pumping boatloads of cash into OSU to make it a national brand like it has done to Oregon. Just isn’t happening.
The paper mill was torn down a couple years ago, and that is Millerburg that used to sit in its shadow.
I could see her signing with Puma and one day later her brother gets cut from the men’s team.
Happy Jackie Robinson day. #42 shall live forever.
The journal has an interesting story today arguing that KC’s victory in the Super Bowl saved California from a disaster. Thesis: the SB was the weekend of the first cases of corona in the bay area. A big street party the following week would have been a catastrophe, just like Lunar New Year and Mardi Gras were in NYC and Nola.
But here’s the kicker, looking forward: “Public-health experts point to mass gatherings as places where highly contagious viruses spread easily . . . . They bring together thousands . . . of screaming, hugging, and beer-sharing fans. . . . They’re breeding grounds for respiratory diseases.”
Bottom line: there won’t be a college football season this fall, just as I intimated last week by reading between the lines of what the President of the U. of Washington was saying. Now that Washington, Oregon and California have signed a “non-aggression pact” it’s virtually guaranteed. The universities will go along with this placidly, and maybe they should, but I predict the NFL will sue the states that keep them opening in September.
I think they will be able to have a fanless season but that is just a guess. At least with the NFL that seems possible, college probably less likely.
It would be interesting to hear from the players and coaches to see what they think about playing with no fans in the stadiums. I’m sure they would rather do that than not play at all, but man it feels like their motivation and intensity would be way down.
Here’s an article on some player perspectives:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/14/kirk-cousins-games-without-fans-would-kind-of-be-refreshing/
I suspect the most competitive, self-motivated players would continue to flourish, and maybe have an even greater advantage v. those who need lots of attention to get motivated.
It would be interesting to see if the referees called the games differently without fans in the stands.
I fully expect the NFL to play without crowds in 2020.
Golf and MLB are already planning summer returns. I think it is just a matter of time before all the pro leagues are back up and running. Rather fans are in attendance is a larger issue.
College sports probably depend on rather college’s have in person classes in the Fall or not. I fully expect K-12 schools to re-open in September (possibly with some modifications to allow social distancing) but colleges live in their own universe and frankly are better equipped to successfully implement distance learning.
NFL teams in California and the state of Washington will play there games in Idaho and Nevada. you read it here first.
Anyone that is now defending Trump by attacking China is a fool. Trump on January 24, 2020
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and TRANSPARENCY. It will work out well. In particular on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
Donald Trump in late January.
But yeah, keep trying to sell me that China and the WHO are at fault.
they are.
And Trump helped them do it.
How can you not see this obvious reality?
England just predicted a 13% GDP decline, the largest since 1709!
IMF says -3% global GDP decline, largest since Great Depression.
Yet…stocks at their all time high on a forward P/E basis…
Probably great for Brexit. They couldn’t ask for a better economic scapegoat to hide behind.
I think Trump is going to open the economy in early May, and we’ll see a ballooning in cases. That’s my base case. He’s getting antsy and desperate for both attention and not to let Corona ruin his campaign.
It already has. He’s toast.
keep telling yourself that.
He put that back on the states yesterday. Now he doesn’t have to shoulder the blame if cases balloon.
Why isn’t widespread antibody testing a bigger conversation though?
If we can find out how many people are already immune, wouldnt that give people more comfort in getting back into circulation?
I’m already 90% confident I had it and am immune, but that extra 10% would be nice to have, to give me full confidence.
NB,
We don’t even know if people who had it are immune though.
We don’t have enough data to even know things like that.
Its a pretty safe bet. There have been sporadic cases where people got it again but its definitely not wide spread. There is also two known strains so you could catch either strain i guess.
It might be a safe bet but until you know for sure I think contact tracing and readily available tests are the quicker route to re-opening.
Not that we are doing either.
Anything could have an exception, but Fauci said in a recent interview(i think it was with Trevor Noah) that he is pretty confident this virus will behave like every other respiratory virus they have studied in the past and recovered people will have temporary immunity built up for about a year(or until another strain circulates through the population, if that even happens)
In my case, the illness I had was fairly mild. Not enjoyable by any means, but more mild than the worst flus I had when I was younger.
For that reason, I may have false confidence, but I’m not overly concerned with the risk of reinfection if I already have antibodies from the current strain.
I would like to know one way or another if I have the antibodies in me(and my family of course), and if we do, there’s no way I’m going to lock us out from the outside world for the foreseeable future.
Part of me is concerned we’re also going to find ourselves at more risk for other illness simply because we are overdoing it with the sanitizing and physical distancing. For at risk people, I get it, but for young, healthy people, I do think there are benefits to having an immune system that gets put through the paces from time to time to keep it working at tip-top performance. Maybe that’s foolish thinking, but this disease is not the same level of death sentence like small pox was in the past.
It would make sense, based on most other viruses…but…there are viruses that act differently and cause ongoing issues,,,
Herpes, chicken pox, hiv to name a few.
None of those are respiratory but they are viruses that don’t just go away.
We just don’t have the testing capacity or available tests.
Ah, missed that. Yeah he’s just going to distance himself from it now. Sad.
Trump won’t open anything. He has no such power. But many Republican governors will open May 1 because they do anything Trump says.
And like NB said those governors will fall on their swords for King Trump when cases spike.
In all seriousness, how can we re-open anything if we can’t widespread test for the virus, can’t test for antibodies at all, and can’t do contact tracing (some states are hiring for this at least)?
BTW, all things (except the anti-body test) the USA should have had set up by February 1.
Any home brewers here? My interest in brewing has sky rocketed since the lockdown and I’ve got an imperial IPA in secondary fermentation right now.
Has anyone done any lagers and had success controlling their fermentation temperatures? If so what was your set-up? I’m looking into doing lagers but don’t have the space right now to convert an old fridge to cool down the temp in the lagering range.
Finally, an interesting post…. : )
You can use rigid board to build an insulated box. Then use a ac unit payed with a cool not and you can make the room 32*
Paired* and cool bot*
I just used chest freezers with a temperature controller. But you don’t have the space so that doesn’t help :(
Well the only real obstacle is trying to convince the wife to let me have an extra freezer somewhere in the house for a few weeks. We all know how that is going to go. I do think that would be the best method. Or I might give Alpha’s a shot.
At one point I had 3 chest freezers, a lagering box, conditioning box and a fermentation box I’d throw a light bulb in in the winter. It is supposedly terrible to run a freezer above freezing like that but the only failure I had was the one I bought from a used appliance dealer. All 60-100$ CL finds.
You’re my hero.
Wrigg,
You might want to try this stain of lager yeast. Here is a description from my yeast guy. Can be used at higher temps
“Generally what this means is that W-34/70 is more cryophilic than US-05, however our resent research into W-34/70 shows that you can use it at ale temperatures. In fact, our internal trained taste panel could not distinguish the difference between 12C and 20C fermentations! What does this mean for the end user? It means that they do not need to keep this strain cold. Like I said before, lager yeast are usually more cryophilic, however that does not mean that they will NOT work at higher temperatures. Usually, it is just tradition that makes us think you need to ferment cold. What ends up happening with W-34/70 is you get the same flavor profile, but a much faster fermentation (about 2-3 days vs 7-10) and a much faster VDK assimilation at the end of the fermentation. ”
Alpha
Alpha,
Awesome I’m going to give this a try. Really wanting to do an Oktoberfest style lager or a different type of pilsner. Something that has a lot of drink ability in the upcoming warm months. Getting a bit too tired on all of the IPAs right now.
Any home cheese makers here? I’d like to give it a shot.
Did he say, “Blessed are the cheese makers”?
Kellyanne Conway on Foxnews: “This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that.”
The people in charge don’t even know the 19 stands for the year, it’s not the 19th coronavirus.
We are all gonna die with this incompetence in charge.
What exactly is Kellyanne “in charge of”?
Her official title is Senior Advisor to the President of the United States.
If you think this level of ignorance (or gaslighting) is acceptable from a Senior Advisor to the President of the United States you might be in a cult.
Isn’t that Kushner’s title, too?
A real Algonquin round table there…
“All the best people”
She strikes me as 100% likes money and doesn’t give a shit about whatever is going on. Her husband is one of Trump’s chief critics. I’m pretty sure she goes home, cracks a bottle of 1951 red something or other and talks shit all night with the husband.
Yeah, she’s a political operative. If put her in the “opportunist” camp which I actually found worse than those in the “true believer” camp
At least the true believers are brainwashed
and yet she was able to out-smart Hillary’s team.
So?
Dude, you are delusional
Is that gaslighting or incompetence?
Either way, zero leadership…again.
Oh, that wacky Kellyanne!
Never, ever let facts and truth get in the way.
You ever wonder what it would be like to have another “you” and just be a Fox News consumer? I can’t imagine what my brain would be able (and unable) to comprehend. I mean just think of believing the concept that there were 18 previous COVID’s and the WHO blew it on all of them.
Hmm…scary.
Sad thing is that 30% of the Americans will believe that to be true and another 15% or so will vote for these people.
My brain can’t comprehend that level of brainwashing.
Says the guy set to vote for Joe Biden. Most likely voted for Hillery and the annointed one, Obama himself. None of which define leadership in my opinion. Since you keep harping on leadership or the lack of it in Trump.
Honestly blown away by the TDS shown by some on this site. And its not just against Trump but the animosity shown towards Trump supporters. Guess i have to answer but wishing sports would return.
Glass houses homie.
Yeah, I know. It’s funny how them attacking Hillary, Biden, and Obama is just fine but if you go after Trump…..
Fucking cult.
I thought Obama exhibited pretty good leadership qualities. Say what you will of the politics but the personality traits he exhibited are what I like to see in a leader.
I agree.
He had a ton of flaws, but he was always poised and at least exhibited leadership. Definitely wasn’t a circus, and as I like to say, the only people who enjoy a circus are the clowns.
I can’t think of a POTUS prior to Trump that didn’t have leadership skills.
The Trump cult revisionism is pathetic.
Their guy is trash but they can’t accept it so it is everyone but their guys fault.
If you say so….
You can’t fix stupid and you gotta be pretty fucking stupid to support Trump.
TDS is believing that corrupt clown has any business in government. Finding him disgusting is a grip on reality not “derangement.”
I know, he tried to blackmail a foreign leader with our money for his personal benefit and being opposed to allowing that is somehow a derangement syndrome.
The level of brainwashing is impressive, I compliment Trump on his ability to brainwash people, he is a master at that.
WannaBeav’s irony radar going off yet?
not that anyone believes what they hear on CNN or MSNBC
What the fuck are you babbling about now?
These are her own words.
Home Fry, up above. try to pay attention. I know the thread is difficult to track (not.)
The world of information is not bianary. You can not watch fox news and not watch CNN annnddd not watch MSNBC.
Here’s an interactive Unemployment map that a buddy sent me: https://stats.sitesusa.com/unemployment
Looks like it’s updated weekly….
Nice find.
Germany opening their economy next week (schools and shops with a size limitation). Trump is jealous and will be close behind.
– re: to Germany, opening their economy . . . https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm @ about 22:29 – Ukraine, Germany, Denmark – coherent, lucid speakers – imagine that
Any Libertarians here not going to cash the stimulus check because (a) you hate big government and (b) trump put his name on it, making him your sugar daddy? Legit questions not trolling. I’d like to meet a Libertarian who stands up for what they preach. I’ve never met one. If there’s one among us I’d love to know him/her.
They’d probably tell you they’re getting their tax money back and it was theirs in the first place.
My sister is libertarian, when she had her son and the dad refused to pay child support she refused to take the earned income tax credit for years. And trust me, she could have used it.
So some might.
My brother-in-law, wife and infant, lived in subsidised housing, took government money for baby food and food stamps for themselves. Now they are card-carrying Republicans now, mainly because his wife is a religious pro-life nut job and he loves his guns.
Gonna have a hard time we with that one. The government classified the stimulus as a tax refund, libertarians can talk themselves into cashing that check.
BTW, it’s a real bummer Trump cut off funding to the Who. They had so many great songs
China fooled them this time, but they won’t get fooled again!
Excellent.
He was mad they got more attention than him in the 60s and 70s
Mike Pence didn’t approve of the underlying message in Squeeze Box and told him to withdraw all funding.
Mother wouldn’t approve.
I thought it was about an accordion.
Live at Leeds is the best.
Agreed. Live at Wuhan was their worst.
That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean Covid?
@angry – You asked about peak death rate awhile ago. From all the stuff I have read we probably entered peak week yesterday and will continue to see 2-3k a day for 6ish days. It should drop to 1000-1500 range after that for several weeks.
This is specific to current wave of covid for the US. Based on when peak infections happened.
On cults…
Yeah, if I my life was affected by said cult I’d find it fascinating, sadly I got to live with the consequences of this particular cult.
Which does piss me the fuck off.
I don’t get your point. It’s a video on the psychology of cults.
It was meant as more of a general comment not directly related to the video since I obviously didn’t spend 2 hours watching it.
I typically find cults fascinating. Just finished watching a whole series about different ones on prime.
Well it’s interesting if you find time.
Obama was a cult, too. He was less dangerous due to a more developed ego, etc. It’s not limited to (R) or (L) obviously.
I’d say all political campaigns probably have some level of a cult like following but I’ve never seen anything like this one.
Trump can literally contradict himself within the same sentence and his cult will defend both things.
And I probably will watch it but currently watching Dodgeball. Priorities……
Got my $1200 please vote for me check from Donnie today though so that’s neat. Not that I needed it.
Well in the video he specifically excludes the alt-right and political ideology from cults, and he’s right. A true cult has one leader with extreme narcissism who is after power, money, and sex. That is the definition of a cult. You also can’t leave freely. So the fact you can leave the alt-right freely, and there is no one leader, it’s not a cult. Now are Trumpists cultists? That’s where I think moreso. Same with Obama. “He can do no wrong, he’s the chosen one” type thinking. But again, the one thing that keeps them from being a true cult is you can leave freely any time. I voted Trump; I freely left in early ’17 when I saw just how unhinged the guy was once in power. So, technically not a cult, but definitely “cult like tendencies”…only thing preventing it is you can leave freely, which I’m sure Trump wants to put an end to…lol.
“It was meant as more of a general comment …”
Really? I figured it was just another chance for you to use the word “fuck”.
Still hittin’ those mimosas pretty hard today?
Watched the whole video, that is HIS definition of a cult, it is no way the definitive definition of a cult
Webster includes this definition
: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (such as a film or book)
I stand by my position that Trump supporters are a cult.
Sorry if some snowflakes are offended by the word fuck.
Well the guy in the video adds some things, because by that definition you gave things like the Army can be a cult. I think being able or not able to leave freely is pretty important. Though, all that said, Trump hits every point but that one, and you could argue that if in his cabinet you can’t leave freely, etc. So the people up the hierarchy are even more in the cult. Also, the States that don’t go along with him get punished. He can’t punish down to the individual level, so he punishes governors, States, Senators, Fauci, etc. Textbook cult leader behavior. So, definitely a cult in that aspect.
Based on who my brother was when he entered the Navy vs. who he is now, I am not convinced the military isn’t a cult.
When my brother and I went from talking for about an hour every week over the phone to him telling me (and my mom) to forget he exists it definitely felt like losing a brother to a cult.
Hm.
Noted.
Frankly after digging deeper into Leo Gura, he appears to be running a cult too.
Convenient for a cult leader to change the definition of a cult.
What did you find? Never heard of him til today. He was the highest ranked video on cult psychology, so I gave it a watch.
Edit: NM, looked him up…definitely a creep. Still, what he says about cult leaders is basically true. Guess it takes one to know one.
I agree with about 90% of what he says about a cult leader, he loses me with the ‘you can’t leave’ portion.
I don’t think making it easier or more difficult to leave defines a cult.
I’d argue in most cults, leaving is never really prevented but cult leaders understand that humans seek belonging, they give them that belonging and depending on the movement over time they might make it more difficult to leave but I don’t find that to be a key part of the definition of a cult.
Yeah. I mean my gut says he’s a cult, and that’s why I’ve been arguing here it’s futile to argue with people in a cult. But, then I saw that video, and the guy says being able to leave means it’s not a cult. Seemed reasonable. But that guy appears shady. I guess cult is a grey area. But Trump certainly feels like one. And I argued above that once you’re in with Trump it’s not exactly easy to leave. Like if you’re in his cabinet and you don’t do what he says he fires you, humiliates you, drives you out. Think what he did with the SALT tax in States he viewed as liberal. Think how he’s threatened governors to go along with him or else no PPE gear? Didn’t he make quips at Jeff Flake for not going along with him/criticizing him and encourage people to vote him out (ultimately he retired)? He did things like this with the CIA guy, generals, etc. Media disagrees he takes away press credentials. Everything screams cult leader behavior.
Then of course all the traits of undeveloped ego, narcissism, etc. It’s textbook.
To be clear, I know I’m wasting my time arguing any of this.
I just have nothing to distract me from it right now.
You should join a cult to help pass the time.
Most cults tell you that you can leave all the time but follow it with all the dire reprecussions of leaving. Cut off from all your friends/family, no more financial support, no job training blah blah blah. So sure you can usually leave but they try to make sure that the cost seems much higher than any benefit.
one of my favorite bands-even their new stuff has been pretty good–what? We’re not talking about “The Cult”?
https://youtu.be/_SdIV5By2E0
No, it was Blue Oyster Cult
WBB adds Patriot League POY forward from Bucknell as a grad transfer. Not a bad get!
Watched some of her video highlights and she looks like she’s a pretty good talent although playing in the Patriot League could be a little misleading. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Plus, there’s no guarantee that Destiny is actually leaving despite entering the transfer portal. I’d say chances are pretty good she’ll land somewhere else, possibly Boise State, but at this point it’s not a done deal. Again, we’ll have to wait and see.
She will be the fill in for Brown who will almost certainly redshirt. Rueck needs add a ball handler.
I haven’t heard that Brown will redshirt. Is that official?
She’ll redshirt for sure. Recovery will probably be slower due to the school being closed down and few if any places to rehab on her own.
Obviously it would really help if Aquino is cleared to play. And the other frosh who redshirted.
Rueck still needs one guard for depth purposes.
Slocum is leaving. Parents not happy with her journey so far and relationship with coach. She gone
Citation?
Heard it from Pivec herself. Good enough?
Bill- Aquino is done playing basketball at a competitive level. osu will not take on the liability and have her do a Hank Gathers on the court. Do you think they are being secretive because she has a meniscal tear?
Huh…well this is not going to help premiums.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-15/u-s-mint-halts-coin-output-just-as-investors-are-demanding-more
face value of silver coins keeps inching up.
OLD NEWS, RIGHT ON CUE:
Received yesterday a newspaper flier offering $5 Gold American Eagles at intro price of $165, with a Silver AmEagle thrown in if you buy 5.
Offer from Nationwide Coin & Bullion Reserve and, you guessed it, they are out of stock!
Dang.
I personally would not buy any coins here unless you own zero. If you own zero you have to get some, so maybe a tiny tiny amount here. Prices should drop once airlines and mines get going in June or so.
People in Michigan protesting stay at home order. Trump and Confederate flags flying? Strange coincidence ehh? Discuss amongst yourselves.
On brand
In other news water is wet.
civil disorder. self inflicted. There will be more.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Pappiness/status/1250531630776594432
I like this guy
Some people are couching it as a “Pro-Coronavirus Rally”
For those of you who have been looking for some peer reviewed analysis on the origin of the outbreak, check the Lancet, January 24th edition.
Which paper? I found atleast 4 on novel corona virus published that day.
Graphic guys for football are producing some very creative stuff for recruits. Maybe I’m bias since I don’t pay attention to what others schools are doing. I’d like to see some of those same images used around the stadium for current players.
Okay, back to politics.
You got that right.
The OSU football Twitter has been pretty bomb lately.
Also, I’m slightly intrigued by Tinkle pivoting and grabbing some jc guys and not having to play favorites. I don’t have much faith in him but could we see the scrappy, hustle culture that existed his first year? It’s his only hope.
You got that right.
how ’bout that. Washington Post with a story up tonight that Trump’s critique of the WHO is resonating outside the White House. Pretty damning indictment.
I thought the Washington Post was “fake news” because Bezos is a Davos loving elitist Globalists who hates Trump?
How is it real news now?
WB where is your irony radar tonight???
The news is real anywhere it fits the narrative, hypothesis or conspiracy.
can’t call what you can’t detect. Here’s some irony: NPR this morning had Ray Dallio on; biggest hedge fund manager on Wall Street, complaining about income equality.
Trump finds a scapegoat for his own mistakes and people buy it?
I am shocked.
The most effective deflection is finding someone else to point the finger at who’s also guilty.
Truth.
It’s not about forgiving China or the WHO but it is about recognizing it was Trump’s job to protect us from a lying China and a lying WHO.
He is our leader (sadly)
I don’t care what mistakes other organizations/countries make.
A President’s job is to figure that out and do what is needed here regardless of what others do.
Don’t know why so many Americans have decided a President’s job is to blame everyone but himself but that’s America in 2020 I guess.
Trump is a hell of a conman, no one can argue against that.
If China and WHO were lying like you just said, how would Trump know and be able to protect us?
By having representation in the WHO a position he has chose not to fill since 2018
By having CDC scientists in China like we had from Reagan through Obama
By listening to our intelligence agencies who have warned of this since 2018
That’s 3 ways, pick 1
@Alpha – even if they were lieing there was plenty of information to do something while he was doing nothing. South Korea had their first positive case the same day as us.
What about all the other countries that were affected? Seems like a lot of global leaders missed the boat as well. Are they all as inept as Trump? Probably not. I am not a Trump supporter btw. To me it seems like China screwed over the world, not just the US.
No I agree China fucking sucks. Their shitty data and complete lack of closing it’s boarders in terms of exporting the virus facilitated everything. There’s lots of countries that screwed the pooch. I live in the US so my anger is to my own government and it’s flaws.
China did screw over the world. But that doesn’t change the fact that Trump should have been a clairvoyant. He should have hired Miss Cleo, but no, he uses Fuchi. The guy who has been in his position for 30 odd years and is supposed to know more then anyone about infectious diseases. Why would anybody listen to a guy like that.
Clairvoyant? You guys act like this pandemic was some impossible to predict event.
Despite tons evidence of US intelligence predicting a pandemic.
Of course now that I am MAGA all day. So glad Trump faked this whole virus in order shut down the country to save all those poor kids from the evil Hollywood Cabal led by Democrats and Hollywood.
My eyes have been opened by Q finally!!!!
buying it: yep, even the crack reporters of the Washington Post.
Why?
Because it fits the narrative you want to be true or because the Washington Post was never fake news?
Which reason do you believe them on this story?
Never fear. The Iranians have developed high tech Corona detection….
#Saved by a Salami
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2020/04/15/irans-general-salami-unveils-magnetic-bipolar-coronavirus-remote-detector/
General. Salami. I just found my new porn name.
What was your old one?!?
Private Vienna Sausage?
Lil’ fella, until I found out I was average size. But “Average Penis” isn’t a good porn name. So General Salami it is. It actually sounds like someone ran “average penis” through Google translate a bunch of times and that’s what came out the other end.
Take home message, only feed your dog organic, locally sourced, and non GMO bat meat.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/rspca-warns-dogs-face-abuse-21874264
Uh ohhh. A weapon of ass destruction becomes a weapon on mass destruction….
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/coronavirus-can-spread-through-farts-21852204
Caddyshack gets better every time I watch it
A classic. Some might say a “cult classic”.
looks like there’s an emerging consensus emerging from the virology lab in Wuhan. What I reported here the first week of March, by the way. Just to recap what my source told me from an NSA backgrounder: the Chinese knew a Canadian lab was studying corona viruses and decided to steal analytical data. Patient zero worked for this lab in Wuhan.
That sounds like not only fake news but super fake news!
Just going off my gut. But it’s a tremendous gut. Best gut ever.
Never let facts get in the way of your “gut”. Continue to collect those shiny rocks I’m sure they will solve all your problems.
Holy fuck, do you really not see the sarcasm?
You guys always want it both ways.
US intelligence is the anti-Trump deep state except when their reports defends Trump?
How does that work?
CNN is fake news except when their reporting defends Trump?
How does they work?
Holy fuck, do you really not see the sarcasm?
:D
I was wondering that myself.
CNN is not only fake news, but it’s communist news. Meanwhile, RT is real news. Haha
I’m a fan the “it’s just a flu, we need to reopen the economy!” camp that also is telling us “it’s bioterrorism from China, they’re trying to kill us!”
China’s leadership really is genius. Release a killer bug in your own country so all eyes are on you
and everybody knows who to blame. First, you’ll kill off a bunch of your own population and later, other countries will divest in your country and you’ll become the least powerful mega power in the world!
It’s a bold strategy, Cotton.
That’s a good one! Added it to my bucket list below.
I thought Trump rejected intelligence reports on the virus. last week’s big story.
Dunno…but collecting paper dollars will solve your toilet paper crisis.
Just have a good plumber on call, and some shiny rocks to pay him with.
TP? Rocks?
I’m hoping our guy AfghanBeav will clue us in on the use of (non-shiny) rocks by rural residents of Afghanistan.
Crystal meth as currency?
When the economy collapses shiny rocks and paper money will be worthless. Actual usable commodities will be the only items that have value. So easy a caveman can understand it.
Well above I gave an entire list of things I think are better buys than gold, and even mention gold will get taxed violently. On that list was food and other commodities. There are many tangible assets I’d rather own over any financial asset at these prices. So, we agree.
I’m not a “gold bug”…I do think it’s wise to own some. Any savings that you won’t need for 20 plus years.
I missed the food. If food, water, booze or survival equipment ever get hot I’ll be good.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chinese-lab/index.html
Nice try! But Dear Leader taught me everything US intelligence says is a lie.
Especially if being reported on the communist news network.
Apparently CNN is fake news, now Fox is fake news, the only legitimate news is OANN?
ONN is the only real news left!
I see what you are doing here…
Some things I’d like resolved before nightfall:
1. Why is CNN, the communist news network, “fake commie news” unless they report that a virus started in a Chinese lab. How are they then real news?
2. Why is the Washington Post cited as a legit source, when Davos-loving-Global-elitist Bezos owns it, and he has an anti-Trump agenda?
3. Why is RT trusted as a source, when it’s openly being funded by Russia. Buy boy do I miss Lauren Lister, that commie beauty queen!
4. Why are US Intelligence reports suddenly valid, when Dear Leader spent months telling me they are “Deep State” swamp creatures trying to protect Hillary, and everything they say is a lie?
5. How did Corona go from “It’s just the flu, open the economy!” to “It’s bio-terrorism, they’re trying to kill us!” in weeks.
6. Where is WB’s irony radar on all this?
Etc. I woke up to madness on AB today! Take off the tin foil dunce caps, get out of the corner, and put on your critical thinking hats, boys! And your big boy pants while you’re at it.
Can I add one to the list?
How wss Smith going for it on 4th down the only right call, even though it lead to us losing the game?
Wannabeav read it in Russian Statistics Today.
good one.
One more. Should we be concerned that a member of our nation’s NSA is leaking intel to a guy who knows a guy with an anonymous screen name on Angrybeavs?
Fortunately there’s no way for the NSA to trace back to who their leak is because of the iron clad anonymity of wordpress blogs. But wouldn’t leaking intel reflect badly on our executive branch?
I asked this awhile ago. Where’s the legit source unless it’s a leak from Intel community.
I thought leakers were bad? Comey something something whistles.
Wanna I read through 3 of the 4 in lancet posted on Jan 24th and they either didn’t state an origin or had a natural origin. Maybe the 4th talks about it.
I only meant to direct you to a site with peer reviewed articles on the virus. They’re pretty technical.
Yeah I read lancet often. You made it sound like there was a paper that laid out evidence for the lab outbreak theory but I can’t find any. I read everything on lancet on Jan 24th that had to do with covid.
And people always though Jack was the one in a Tin Foil Hat.
If anything this whole debacle has proven that at minimum 50% of Angrybeavs commentors are sleeping with Blocks of Lead surrounding their bed. I hold out hope the lurkers are more even keeled lol
Mines a full igloo. Can’t have the cosmic alien mind control beams getting in during my sleep theta sequence.
Nuke you thought you had apnea, it’s actually the beams penetrating that ‘impermeable’ shell
Shit, gonna have to cough up the cash for a denser shield. Anyone have a line on Uranium?
if I disappear you will know why.
Sadly we all know why Trump supporters can hold all these contradictory beliefs simultaneously
Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug
One more.
How does the virus starting in a lab free Trump of his responsibilities?
Follow the pea under the shell.
it doesn’t. But the main thing, and this will be his legacy, is that he contributed to discernment that peak China was a bad thing.
By defending China until about 2 weeks ago?
Okay…
I would point out that most of us already knew this about China (hence having CDC scientists in China in the past)
have you entirely missed the attempt to equalize trade relationships and stop the theft of intellectual property? Good grief, the world didn’t begin two months ago.
I want to congratulate you wannabeav. You have convinced me.
My red hat is ordered. I am in. Trump 2020!!!!
Thank you for showing me the light.
I’m still waiting on an answer.
Deadline extended until thread dies.
Playing golf today, so can’t get answers to all of these.
2) Trump list of business leaders, many of who were unaware they were on it, includes Mr. Bezos of WAPO. Meanwhile, the WH staff is in conference, “trying to shield the president from political accountability should his move to reopen the economy prove premature and result in lost lives.”
That’s the spirit!
This really hasn’t aged well.
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1250449102976045059?s=09
They lied to him, how was he supposed to know?
Trump’s biggest weakness is that he trusts and wants to help people, China took advantage of his empathy
They tricked our best people. Sneaky bastards!
“So I’ve got that goin’ for me, which is nice”. Carl Spackler Caddyshack 1980
Hahaha!
Tinkle adds 6’7 forward Nichols state transfer Warith Alatishe, Averaged 11 points and 8 rebounds. Believe he is a sit out
They over signed by one. Wonder who is leaving or has already left?
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was Thompson
Don’t think he’ll declare for the draft since he wouldn’t get drafted.
Lots of guys that declare don’t get drafted. Last year 233 basketball players entered the draft “early”
Remember, guys can enter the draft and come back to school if they go undrafted now.
Ethan declared once already. Pretty sure he can’t come back if he declared again.
Where did you see undrafted guys can come back?
https://www.si.com/college/2018/08/08/ncaa-college-basketball-reforms-undrafted-players-return-agent-rules
Although now that I have read it again it might not apply until 2021.
Tinkle loses 4-5 transfers every year. He’s probably just hedging.
Intel head on covid source
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/covid-19-origin-lab-general-mark-milley
I think the paper Wanna told us to look at? I only see wet market stuff.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext#%20
Origin story that they note in the first article.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/15/how-did-the-coronavirus-start-where-did-it-come-from-how-did-it-spread-humans-was-it-really-bats-pangolins-wuhan-animal-market
Maybe been discussed above, but men’s hoop signees here recently are pretty underwhelming. Next few years looks pretty dire…
It is nice to have some normalcy in our lives right?
They’ll have to grind out games. Maybe they’ll go back to what Tinkle used his first year. Slow down and all defense.
Pac 12 has been doing some good recruiting this year. Should be a deep conference. Could ride a middle of the pack finish to the tourney.
So in the absence of talent, you’re hoping we’ll rely on Tinkle’s coaching accumen instead?
And his sweaty pits..
Just picked up a forward transfer from Nichols State (who picked us over Georgetown and Georgia).
Third-team all-Southland Conference who averaged 10 pts 8 reb last year. Looks like decent depth.
They could be underwhelming but look what the team did with highly ranked prospects…yawn…. Tinkle is in a class of his own having enough talent on paper, doing little to nothing with it, and still having a job. Maybe he just needs a bunch of blue collar dudes in there getting scrappy.
Maybe he just needs a bunch of blue collar dudes in there getting scrappy.
I’ll buy that, seeing as his coaching style seems to be based on a lot of sweat and constantly yelling, “GO HARD”.
He should bring in Craig Robinson as an assistant. That way the players both go hard and move.
That’s two things at once. I don’t think we should over complicate the scheme.
Interesting article on deaths and how different states are counting them as Covid or not.
https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Which-deaths-count-toward-the-covid-19-death-15204414.php
Good read, thanks!
Who’s ready for some mimosas? I’m buried under a foot of snow and couldn’t go outside if it were possible. What else is there to do but drink mimosas??
It’s good to see Wall Street and Potus are on the same page when it comes to reopening the economy.
https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist/status/1250861571858927618?s=19
Sorry, not meant as a reply. Fucking mimosas…
I see what ya did there!
First White Russian going down. Seems like a good drink for 1ft of snow. It’s like Siberia over here!
At 2:28 pm?!?
2:29 somewhere!
I’m an hour ahead of you, boss.
Why does it matter what time it is in Siberia?
With a foot of snow you need an old fashioned, not mimosas.
White Russians! Read!
If you’re an old fashioned fan but want to try something else that’s similarly simple but still tasty, try making yourself a Godfather sometime.
I usually go with 3 parts Scotch to 1 part Amaretto over a single ice cube. Some recipes call for 1:1 ratio, but I find that to be too sweet.
French Connection. 1 part amaretto, 1 part cognac. My favorite drink.
I’ll need to make another trip to the liquor store for some Hennesy
I have cognac but no scotch. Not a scotch fan. Definitely prefer bourbon and rye. Might try the french connection.
BREAKING….
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001109653/article/2020-nfl-draft-league-execs-scouts-coaches-assess-qb-class
Luton is considered draftable!
This isn’t news, Luton was always gonna get a shot in the NFL.
I Love the Jordan Love quotes:
“…Love’s disappointing junior year, in which he threw an FBS-high 17 interceptions on an overmatched Aggies team.”
A GA team? Overmatched?
“Everybody’s making excuses for Love. At what point is it his fault?”
t’s not his fault. GA hired the wrong f—ing assistants!
“But coming from the system he’s coming from, he’ll be better off if he can sit for a year or two.”
The GA offense is basically just “run around and figure something out.” You’re telling me that isn’t an NFL system?!
Hope his forearm bruise is healed
The best thing about that article is that it has way more swearing than you’d expect from something on the league’s official site. I mean, normally an editor would be okay taking these out instead of bleeping them.
“there’s no f—— way you could’ve put that (2018) tape on and thought he was better than a late-round pick,”
“The Oklahoma stuff is kind of skewed because it’s a f—— high school 7-on-7 tournament every game they play,”
It feels like a bold leap forward into the post-COVID sports journalism world.
It’s like reading a sports podcast haha
Remember about a month ago, when a handful of senators were shown to have sold off a bunch of their shares in various soon to be hard hit companies, while also telling the public there was nothing to worry about?
2 of them have now been assigned to the Task Force for reopening America.
Senators Burr and Loeffler, specifically.
Guess they didn’t profit enough off misleading the public already. Not swampy at all.
I don’t think Bernie could have broken the wheel. We need the Mother of Dragons to come burn the wheel to ash.
you guys have a nice parody of the corporate media echo chamber going. very well done.
What like WaPo?
You okay, WB? Sounds like you need a mimosa.
doing fine. I enjoy the banter but could do without the ad hominen. I used to enjoys mimosas but from now on I’ll have a negative association.
Heavy man…. you going to eat that cookie?
Seeing reports Gilead has what they think its a vaccine, Boeing starting up production, Trump has a plan to reopen the economy. Futures explode. Funny, I bought some SPY today as a trade and set 285 after hours…hit! I’ll take my 3% gain today rather than deal with markets tomorrow. This market is almost getting to easy too read. Meanwhile, stocks shoot to about 90% overvalued…but all that matters is liquidity and hope.
They put out any clinical data? I haven’t found it but it’s muddy Waters ATM.
Nah it’s all hype to jack the market. You know the routine.
Spin the wheel and see your prize!
Pretty much. Lol.
If the VIX gets into the mid 20s it will be a great time to short. Until then the bulls win with their irrational exuberance. Hard to understand how you can be excited with stocks 90% overvalued, but hey, they’re the Riley’s of investing. Eternal optimists!
I do get the 10tril of liquidity thing. It’s that. Play the market you have not the one you want…old axiom.
Are you referring to Gilead’s Remdesivir trials? That’s a treatment unless they are also working on a vaccine. Their trial with severe patients went well, but they have not done placebo testing yet
Dunno I saw SPY500 spike 9 points after hours, then looked at Zerohedge to see why, and they said Gilead drug progress. I’m drinking White Russians, so that’s where it ended for me.
Sweet, delicious booze! Here’s the link to the study.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/
^ Seems like a nothing burger; Gilead has been working on that drug for a long time now. But the market is irrational now, so it makes sense they’d jizz all over their hot Mormon wife over this.
Gilead already came out and said “nothing to see here.”
Where did they say nothing to see?
Can we stop pretending Elon Musk is a benevolent genius who is going to save the world and just admit he’s another ho-hum piece of shit?
https://twitter.com/russ1mitchell/status/1250854802268893185
Ho hum piece of shit that does advanced manufacturing and pushes tech. He’s really made his own class of shits. He’s like a liger shit.
Is that English? You two mimosas deep?
Sorry my hands are more like clubs today. Just wait for me to edit 3 or 4 times hah
So do we agree he’s a piece of shit or no?
Is there a way to edit your posts here?
I’m not afraid to admit my typing is faster than my brain which is fine on my computer because it is easy to catch before I hit post but when I am on my phone I miss stuff all the time.
Yeah. Register an account. Then you can edit.
Definitely! His companies push in the right direction with advanced manufacturing and tech. We need about 30 major manufacturers in the US that use diverse supply chain and make stuff that’s so advanced others can’t compete.
He’s a very unique turd. He ain’t no GM, GE or Westinghouse deposit in the brown bowl. Class of his own fecal mater.
He also has a bit of a cult.
And his products are shit. I worked on the first Space X launches. Crashed into the ocean. What disasters and wastes of money. Teslas crashing into everything they can find to crash into…what a disaster. Solar City? More like Solar Shitty. And he sucks off the teat to fund it all. Now this ventilator contingency. Fuck that guy.
That said, I’d invest in Tesla under $250. Lol.
NASA has crashed alot of shit too. When you engineer by experimentation you spend loads of money and break lots of things. It’s also the fastest mode of advancement. Tesla’s still run into way less stuff than drivers and they learn stuff from every disaster. What Space X and Tesla had done in a decade is frankly beyond the scope of what any other companies would even consider.
High tech cowboys with crazy funding and more brains than sense. There isn’t an electric car with autonomous tech that is even close to a Tesla on price point. There is no company in the world that can put a satellite in space cheaper than space x. Before long the most reliable internet and possibly fastest per dollar spent will be supplied by them too.
They crazy and it’s cultish and he’s a peice of shit but it’s all ground breaking.
I totally agree, which is why I’d invest in it at the right price.
I just hate the guy. That he’s on his 4th wife is a sign, too. Never trust a guy with more than 2 wives. Unless they’re hot Mormons.
I think during the development his drive, standards and vision were critical. Now that both are giants he does way more damage than good. Imagine if Steve Jobs was still the head of apple and bombing Twitter with crazy shit every couple days.
He is a terrible family man.
Everyone can make mistakes with women, but by the time you’re almost 50 and on wife #4 the problem is you.
That no woman can put up with you despite eternal wealth is a sign…
There’s a decent biography on him from about 5 years ago and the way he talks about relationships is insane. He’s fully cognizant that he is an awful partner. He talks about how if he could just find another 5 hours a week in his schedule he could stay married. That’s also how he justifies his personal helicopter and helipads. It buys him more time to be with his family.
Dudes priorities are beyond topsy turvy.
I think he probably has Aspergers or something.
Could be. There is no doubt he is highly intelligent. Being in the nuke world I know many legitimate geniuses. None of them are all that ’rounded out’ and most struggle with interaction. I pretty much got through school by working my ass off, being just smart enough to make it and being the social lubricant for awkward geniuses so I could study with them.
If you ever met me you would find the idea of me being a social lubricant hilarious, thats how awkward they were haha
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29043828/sources-top-high-school-player-jalen-green-enter-nba-g-league-pathway
Top 2020 Basketball recruit going G-League instead.
I’m thinking the college powers that use one and done are gonna need a new strategy soon. Could easily see college basketball looking more like college baseball (where most the top HS talent never goes to college) real soon.
And I’d consider that a good thing.
Pay for play is the only option that can compete If a kids priority isnt a degree.
If it were my kids, I’d tell them to take the money now even if they wanted a degree. Kid is getting 500K. He can go to college later (or part time while playing).
Plus outcomes for older students are much better per dollar spent. You know what you want, know how hard it is to earn the cash and you are there for a reason. Aslong as a kid is advancing their skills and figuring out what path they want delaying school is a good choice. Not a fan of total burnout route though.
The shoe companies are going to ante the fuck up and start paying these kids more or the ollege basketball we’ve come to know and love is going to change….
From the office of Put A Beaver On It. Oregon State University is about to start a large scale study this weekend tracing the prevalence of the Coronavirus in the city of Corvallis. Sounds like this will be uncharted territory. Pretty neat deal OSU is getting involved.
Anybody here part of this study?
https://twitter.com/OregonState/status/1250914085304102912?s=19
Translation: we need to keep our jobs.
they’re trying to build a case for Governor Brown to open school this summer.
I hope it works
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1250852583318736896
Had no idea American Chinatowns are actually in China?
How do they get you from San Francisco to China without even noticing?
Learning so much from this great leader.
You know, Chinatown, also known as Wuhan, China.
Nancy Pelosi wants to throw parties in Wuhan and blame the president if people die. She so crazy.
That one hurts to read. I checked twice to make sure it wasn’t a parody account.
hey, you stole “parody” from me.
Greek roots and was popularized as a late Latin word in the 16th century. I’m probably just missing the nuance though.
just joshin with ya
Anyone else worried that we are still getting 25-30k new cases a day weeks after the country went into isolation? The curve is flat but why are so many people still getting sick each day?
Still have to go grocery shopping. And this virus is very efficient in its transmission.
Which is why we really need enough tests to test anyone with symptoms (According to the St. Charles website they only test if you have symptoms AND are in an at-risk group, again, just based on reading the website so no idea if that is how it actually happens inside the hospital) and enough people employed to do adequate contact tracing.
Till those 2 things exist (antibody testing would be needed too) cases will spike the minute we open things back up.
And having enough tests by now shouldn’t be an issue for the United States. It is just sad at this point.
Its interesting that a poster on here was calling for Mullins removal for only taking a 10% pay cut and then Barnes turns around and only takes a 7% cut. For an athletic program 45 million in debt, you would think he and his coaches would take more of a cut. Especially since they are both sub .500 coaches. Change my mind
LOL at clueless Duck who thinks this board is going to defend Barnes.
Well there are a couple that would. Apparently the one that made the original post. I am glad you see him for what he is. A completely inadequate AD
You’re dumb. Change my mind.
Smarter than you. Of course, so is my dog dumbass
You named your dog Dumbass?
Its the only thing he will answer to. Just like Doozeldork
Pettibonehead- yesterday you posted something about the protests in Michigan. You stated that trump and Confederate flags were there. I watched a video. Some trump flags but lots of old glory, in fact by a wide margin. But no southern army battle flags? Where did you get that info? You have video or what stand up unbiased media outfit stated it? Discuss among yourselves.
I haven’t really seen any Confederate gear. Lots of don’t tred on me, trump gear and US flags.
They are still morons but I get why they are there.
Morons? Why? For wanting to work? Did a couple of them have cammo on? I must have missed what made them morons. The scary “dont tread on me ” flags? Elaborate and educate please.
ridicule and name calling is all these guys have going for them. This is what the thread just above looks like (visualization)
Young Ore State
Nuclear Beaver
Pettibone Head
Angry
Nuclear Beaver
Young Ore State.
Like I said–echo chamber.
Ahhh Wanna, you just keep going dontcha. I don’t echo shit. I read source material, use my life experience sand come to my own conclusions.
You are the one that parrots opinion pieces and cherry picks whatever fits your theory. You can’t give good sources when asked and you defend statements that come out of people’s mouths as other than they said. You told me to stop being a straw man and I apologized and thanked you. Anytime you are questioned you don’t respond or spin it to something else.
If you want to be logical be logical. People can not agree with you and still have a real point. The basis of an arguement you don’t like can have real evidence. Oh and common words and phrases in a language can be used by anyone cause they are not yours they belong to the cultural heritage if the language.
Quote where I name call someone in this thread.
Intentionally blocking a access to a major hospital during a pandemic?
I think some would see that as moronic.
I see it as patriots being patriots like a good MAGA supporter does but that’d be the argument if I were a libtard.
For ignoring social distancing during a pandemic. It’s idiotic behavior so I call them morons.
I’m way more down with the people hanging in their cars laying on the horns. That’s good old fashion peaceful protest with smart distancing methods.
I don’t care about their flags, just making an affiliation statement. I do admit large groups of people wandering around with big guns makes me uncomfortable. That doesn’t make them morons I just don’t like it.
Your outrage and assumptions might want to take a cold bath my man. Starting to sound like a social justice type.
Did someone say Mormons?
Oh, morons, never mind…
it was non-existent. The usual agitation-propaganda.
To democrats anything but the hammer and sickle is a rebel flag.
Hey I’m a Democrat. Can name like tons of flags with red in them that are non-rebel. Infact most flags have red in them.
There is a point though. Most existing governments today came from an element of rebellion as Imperialism and Colonialism came to an end. Since the majority of flags include red I guess most flags do represent a rebel root. Super good point BB.
See video below, convince me that isn’t a confederate flag.
Or just refuse to live in reality. Your call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smbWttoWnfY
This is the exact one he posted a photo of yesterday.
Fake news of course…..
Wow that must have been hard to find. I looked for like 10 minutes.
Nope googled
Confederate Flag Lancing
It was the 3rd video link
Ohhh I didn’t specifically put in Confederate flag. I was just looking at protest video and not really finding anything. From the stuff I looked at posted in the last two days I would say that guy is extreme minority with flying the flag. I’m sure him flying it got shitloads of attention though.
I have no doubt he was in the minority but I also doubt any of the other patriots at this protest questioned its presence.
Do like Whitmer’s statement though
“A small segment of the state is protesting and that’s their right,” Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, told CNN. People are getting “stir crazy” at home, she said, and they’re worried about paying the bills.
“The sad part is, though, that the more they’re out and about, the more likely they are to spread Covid-19,” Whitmer said, “and the more likely we’re going to have to take this posture for a longer period of time.”
What a monster she is…..
Guess that makes everyone there a member of the KKK. Thats how painting with a broad brush works right? Of course thecomeback will be that none of you said anything about the klan. I know, southern army battle flag is scary.
I guess, you are the one painting people with a broad brush here.
I believe I typed the words “I have no doubt this guy is in the minority”
And the Confederate Flag doesn’t scare me.
Truthfully so called “Patriots” flying the flag of traitors is comical to me. I am in no way scared of the flag or the losers holding it.
My two best friends live in the deep South, and I’ve spent a lot of time there visiting them. The South truly believes they will rise again. To me their flag symbolizes, to them, all these ideas and some latent sense of pride, which makes sense given how poor they are compared to the North. They’re clinging to what they got. I get it. I don’t think it means they want slaves or anything like that. To them it means freedom/liberty and symbol and pride of their past. That’s from my experience in the South at least. If someone here has spent a lot of time in the South and has a different experience, share it. I knew some guys who were hardcore “south will rise again!” folks, and they were also some of the nicest people I ever met down there.
Here’s a map of hate groups. Looks pretty evenly distributed just eying it.
https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
That’s pretty consistent with my experience in Georgia and Tennessee. The younger generation seemed to be more ‘okay Boomer’ about it and there are many communities that have added lots of young immigrant/minority famlies that has changed the picture some. I was in Chattanooga, Atlanta and Savannah which are all more liberal/hip parts or the south.
since irony has become a subject a ridicule, I thought I might tender an item from my other favorite trove: corporate media double standards. Why did the NYT bury former Biden staffer Tara Reade’s claim that Joe sexually harassed her? #MeToo. check out today’s WSJ.
Because the Tara Reade story has less than zero credibility.
Any journalist that ran with that story would be publishing fake news.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/tara-reade-joe-biden-democrats/
Lo fucking l. Of course its a Russian conspiracy. Those darn reds.
On the other hand its pretty sexist of you not to demand an investigation. 81% of women are sexually assaulted at some point in their lives and fake claims hover around 5%. If she believes she was assaulted we must believe her. Actually she said he stuck his finger in her. Thats rape.
Oddly enough, you believed Luke Heimlich and not the little girl much like most of the dolts on here. Do those stats you posted apply to all accusers of sexual assault or just ones that don’t throw a baseball for the beavers? Please advise
That isn’t what the article says but okay.
I assume you believe all of Trump’s accusers too?
I didn’t really think about it until the #metoo movement started. Are any of the claims against trump still open? How many dropped their accusations? How many were investigated?
Trump’s been accused so many times it has its own wikipedia page.
Read for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
Here’s a list of 25 from December.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-sexual-assault-allegations-all-list-misconduct-karen-johnson-how-many-a9149216.html
The E. Jean Carrol one is pretty serious. Trump’s legal team is trying to prevent the court from acquiring his DNA cause she has a stained item of clothing. Its pretty mired down so I’m not sure what the latest is and it makes me sad so I don’t feel like looking.
We were all told all women are to be beloved youngorst is a sexist pig.
All woman are to be beloved?
Isn’t that what got us in this mess?
Because it doesn’t fit the narrative. They’re locked into creepy Joe now. That’s why he has chosen to pick a woman VP, to deflect the Chester the molester vibe. Look at the militant feminists change of attitude, hang Kavanagh for a 40yo accusation but give Biden the benefit of the doubt because he’s a Democrat.
This is just another example of Trump winning!!!!!
He has way more accusers than Biden!!!!!
Winning!!!!
Democrats don’t get as riled up about this stuff for whatever reason. Trump said he wants to shag his daughter. Nobody cares.
What I love is I post a link to an article that clearly walks through why Tara isn’t taking down Biden but people are so committed to believing whatever helps their side they won’t even read the article.
Biden may have done everything Reade claims but there is a 0% chance she’d win in civil court much less criminal court.
But Trump supporters will believe her till the day they die while refusing to believe the women who Trump literally paid off when they sued him for the same thing.
I’d read that but was told by Dear Leader that the NYT is fake news.
And here i thought ALL women should be believed. Hmm, maybe its a political thing?
That was NEVER what the #metoo movement said.
The movement was about giving woman the benefit of the doubt. Which Tara was given. She was allowed to file a claim with police and the media investigated the claim. The evidence suggests there is no evidence to support her claim.
That was all the #metoo movement was ever about.
If Biden were up for SCOTUS when these allegations came out (like in the Kavanaugh case) I would have expected her to be given a chance to speak in the confirmation process.
But I get it, critical thinking skills are dead in America.
Why should women get the benefit of the doubt in a criminal accusation?
That’s a biased trial right from the start. Women could use that against a guy who they have a beef with, etc. It’s not good.
Or are you saying if there’s an accusation it should be investigated? I mean, yeah. Isn’t that common sense? But that should be true of a guy accusing a girl of something, too.
They shouldn’t. All criminal accusations should be investigated. Sadly for many years there are classes of accusations they get ignored and there are large social prressures not to accus at all. Women accusing powerful men is one of thos classes. If someone doesn’t being an accusation that’s their choice. If they do it should be fully investigated.
They shouldn’t.
They should be given the benefit of the doubt to offer their story though.
The point of the movement has been to make woman feel comfortable coming forward. That is it.
Biden has not attacked Reade, he has denied the allegation.
And 3rd parties (media/police) investigate.
That is how it is suppose to work. The point was to keep powerful men from preventing women from speaking up, not to automatically believe them.
@nuc. Yeah I feel as a guy I’m pretty much screwed. If I go to the cops and accuse a woman of raping me, they’ll ask me if she was hot. If a woman goes to the cops, they’ll arrest me and investigate later. So, screw that.
The bottom line is all cases should be taken seriously no matter gender (or race for that matter). Then you don’t get this stupid movements. It’s kinda on the cops…
I don’t think anyone disagrees with that in an ideal world.
We don’t live in an ideal world.
And they would probably question you and investigate before charging you in the example you provided.
Media investigate? Ah, the court of public opinion you mean.
Or maybe we demand the police or fbi investigate. You know, people who have authority.
As I said, it’s on the cops for bias/incompetence, at least how I see it.
Then we get these stupid movements because they don’t handle each case equally seriously.
In order for the DC police to investigate Tara Reade would need to actually accuse Joe Biden in a criminal complaint.
She has chosen not to do that.
That said, I agree. Police should investigate if it is a credible claim.
Angry, remember the republican senate dude running in the south a few years ago who people blasted as a wirdo and sexist because he refused to meet with women 1 on 1? This is one of that guys reasons for doing it. He respected his wife, so he didn’t want any misinterpreted meetings with women and he also didn’t want to get falsely accused. That guy was ahead of his time.
No I don’t remember him, but that’s smart, or if it’s a 1 consent State just record the entire meeting. I’m glad to live in a 1 party consent State now. CA was two, and that was brutal.
I’m kinda a men’s rights activist because I feel this shit has gone too far, and women don’t see or acknowledge all the areas where they have advantages, and they have no interest in leveling those. It’s hypocrisy. Everyone gets an equal trial/investigation. Cops need to do better. Or don’t be a f’in cop. Meanwhile we have to bailout these guys’ pensions, and they’re not even doing their jobs right.
The only politician I know of that thinks that way is Mike Pence.
And no, he is not ahead of his time.
it wasn’t Pence, and why do you say it like that? Is there something wrong with protecting one’s self against false accusations? I can’t think of a better way short of having a documentary crew follow you around 24/7.
@angry – I don’t feel like looking it up cause it would mess up my night but rape of adult males by women is the most ignored sexual crime and rape of men by men is the least reported and is also not taken seriously.
It’s very much a problem with norms of the culture and internal culture of.the justice system. There is still large disparities that should not exist.
Mike Pence is one of the folks that won’t meet with women one on one. There’s others. Billy Graham and Franklin Graham, Dave Ramsey….I won’t meet with female staff alone with a door closed either. Too much of a risk.
BB
Yes, there is something wrong with a man refusing to meet with a woman one on one in a professional setting.
If you can’t understand why that is a bad policy I can’t help you.
Thats standard practice in every HR department in corporate America for as long as I’ve been working. Its not just 1 man 1 women either. Its anytime you meet.
By all means tell me what I apparently don’t understand? You’re a teacher, teach.
@Nuc. Yep. It really has to stop. Cops need new training on that reality, and repercussions for not following protocols. Tell them their pension is on the line, and they will quickly start investigating female on male rape and seriously.
I work one on one with woman nearly everyday.
But why is it bad?
Imagine if you will.
2 people up for a promotion to be 2nd in command at a consonant, one man, one woman.
1st in command is a man.
Who do you think he hires? The person he can’t confide in one on one or the guy?
Movement? If thats what you choose to call it.
It is literally what it is called.
I didn’t name it.
Joe Biden himself said we should believe all women. Thats some critical thinking, im sure you would agree youngorst? You seem to be the arbitrator on who thinks critically and who doesnt.
I assume you have a link to this statement?
Here is the closest quote I can find to what you claim.
“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real,” said Biden during the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who faced accusations that as a teenager he had assaulted a woman at a party.
And I’d agree with that. And FYI, Tara Reade has not done this.
She didn’t even name Biden when she filed her complaint with DC police.
you missed the asterisk on Bidens quote. *Only when it involves people we don’t like.
So I assume you believe all of Trump’s accusers and won’t be voting for Trump?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_women
Here is a little something about the believe “movement”. I didnt name it either.
As for Biden, you cant be presumptuous on anyone’s guilt or lack thereof. He didnt use the term -believe them no matter what. It was a political answer to a total political hit job. The attempt to lynch Kavanaugh.
Joe is going to come out just fine on this. No media outlet is going to actually ask a hard question of him so he is in the clear. Bury it. The NY times let his staff edit their “investigation ” into the allegations. Oh well, such is journalism in merica today.
Look above. I’m writing in mickey mouse.
Look, I made my own decisions on rather to believe Reade based on my own research
Like every voter should do.
Even at that. If she were actually willing to name him in her complaint and/or she could agree to go on a major platform and tell her story. If she does one or both of those things I’ll re-examine my position.
But based on my research, I believe Biden was likely handsy, an accusation that Biden has acknowledged and apologized for.
But again, you believe 1 Biden accuser but apparently discount over 20 Trump accusers so you have no credibility here.
Or, I’m an insurance agent that can afford one employee
I’m male, guess all females are DQ’d from that job
Wannabeav said I’m calling people names. I want those quotes posted. I don’t remember calling anyone any names in forever, maybe years, except for a@a.
I feel this is very fake news, but my Dear Leader has not told me whether I should trust AngryBeavs.com commenters as a source.
I’ve seen you call groups, ideas and public figures names but no personal attacks.
I shouldn’t have put you in that list. sorry.
Good luck finding me calling someone names as a personal attack.
you gotta keep going, dontcha?
You have called me out multiple times in insulting manners. I’m not gonna play nice if you aren’t.
Angry- again no post came up with a link in it. Would you rather i not link? Is it fixable? I would rather not bug you every time i link to something.
It looks like two of your comments went to spam. I’m not sure why. Must be something with your IP. Just email me when it happens.
Ok. Thanks again.
I don’t mind I’m not that busy right now. Hence spending more time here in the discussions.
It is a busy place. Thanks for putting in the time and for having the site.
Mission accomplished!
Local lab, OSU alum and one of my customers with covid testing finally going live
https://katu.com/news/local/osu-and-local-lab-team-up-to-run-thousands-of-covid-19-tests?fbclid=IwAR1jfEDMvTphrjMwiIWlEx5cZ_lGsWu1w7XFgRfYE5GlX5RzKXLqYBUrEnA
I read a headline today that suggested 2020 CFB will be delayed and start February 2021. If that happens, there won’t be much of a break between the 2020 and 2021 season. I’ve gotta read the article so….any thoughts on the season starting in February besides the weather sucking big time?
Other than that would really suck? No.
Other than losing seasons for Smith will be closer together?
As a former Trump voter I’d like to explain why I’m changing. For one, I don’t watch TV. So I don’t know anything about any network other than the general opinions of those networks, and what I read/see/hear people say about them. The only media I watch are programs like RealVision and some YouTube economics channels, some woodworking stuff, guitars, etc. I’ll watch HUDL and the Spring ball videos. But mostly things I am trying to learn. Here and there a movie with the lady. Nothing else. No politics ever except I have watched some of the more “important” Trump speeches (maybe ten in 4 years) and seen him on Twitter. I concluded:
1. Too culty/authoritarian. If you study history, every authoritarian goes after the media first. My vote for a Biden is simply a vote to delay authoritarianism. Not that I think Biden has any answers.
2. Too many lies. “Fake news” and attacking reporters is old.
3. Too much of a circus. Fatigue. Peace and quiet of “sleepy Joe” sounds nice.
4. Said he’d drain the swamp, then put Jared fucking Kushner in charge of…anything. Swamp creatures galore all around him, but “yes men” swamp creatures, which is even worse.
5. Hated the FED on the campaign trail, now he loves the FED and panders to them for cuts and money printing.
6. Too much hypocrisy. e.g. The NYT is great if it writes something good about him; it’s fake news if it writes something critical. Extend to every facet of his presidency, including the virus blame game. Ego.
7. Gaslighting me nonstop.
8. Called Bernie a Socialist, said no Socialism in American, and 6 weeks later printed more money than anyone in world history, bailing out everyone. I’m now hearing rumors we will print 150 trillion to buy the entire world’s global debt. Fuck this administration in the ass.
9. After the corporate tax cuts said to his friends, “I just made you all a lot richer.” On the backs of the poor and middle class no less.
10. SALT deductions as punishment for liberal States, threatening senators, governors, etc who don’t agree with him. Again, cult leader behavior.
Just some major points for me. There are more. I get the plight of the guy who thinks Trump is going to make America great (by the way, that was Reagan’s campaign slogan, so he even stole that…). I don’t dislike any of you guys, just for the record. At this point I just hope to delay authoritarianism. The Democrats do not have any answers. Republicans have even fewer. The problem is the Federal Reserve and the imbalance/instability it creates. Both parties, and Americans, are screwed because of them. So yeah. I don’t think you’re stupid for voting Trump. I voted Trump out of anger over SJWs and fiscal issues, so I get it. I don’t think you’re stupid if you vote Trump, but I do think you have to be angry to vote Trump, and I’d highly suggest directing the anger at the right entity: The Fed. I also think Trump has done a masterful job of making you hate Democrats and focus on the media rather than him. Just saying. Trump is an evil genius, IMO. Manipulative to the core. Trump will probably find some way to win, like forgive student loans and hand out checks, and then he will do what authoritarians do when they aren’t facing re-election…that’s my concern more than anything. There are enough red flags to know it will become fact.
Print $150 trillion to buy the entire world’s global debt? Where are you hearing this?
Behind the Real Vision paywall.
It’s being floated as a potential scenario. My opinion on it is in development as I gather more facts.
Preliminary opinion: possible.
In what world or universe does anyone think that this is a good idea? That hasn’t been anywhere near viable since the end of WW2
When i watched one of the dem debates and they were asked who would give free healthcare to illegals they all raised their hand. I admit there wasn’t much chance of me voting for any of them but that clinched it. Im not a one world guy, and i think the need for secure borders and taking csre of our own should come 1st. Trump is far from perfect i have freely admitted and accepted that. He drives me nuts but he is the 1st president in a long time that actually tried to bring jobs back to this country, and was doing it. Every trade deal of the last 3o years screwed working stiffs like me. The last president told me those jobs aint coming back. This one said why not? No damn way i vote for Joe.
You do know illegal immigrants get free health care now thanks to Reagan?
The rest of your rant isn’t based in reality so….
Your always quick to respond and always with a little shot. Thats fine. Tell us all the reality as it is in your mind. If you please.
Shit like this pandemic shows why health care shoold be available to everyone.
Some working class guy, citizen, legal or illegal immigrant has to work to eat, to pay the bills. If they don’t have healthcare, they’re out there grinding, that puts us all at risk.
The real enemy isn’t some working class immigrant, it’s the billionaire who has more than enough and keeps the working class fighting for scraps while they ship jobs overseas to make a couple extra bucks.
How is that possible with open boarders?
Jesus, not that bullshit argument again….
what argument? How would you pay for Healthcare in a time like this with open borders?
Open borders is the bullshit argument
No one is arguing fir open borders
No one
All dem candidates were for open borders. All of them. You watch those debates?
No they weren’t but you gonna believe the lies you are gonna believe.
How would you pay for Healthcare in a time like this with open borders?
This is a bad argument and really can’t be used anymore by Republicans. The FED just printed 10 tril to bailout every corporation in America. You can’t ask where the money comes to bailout or pay for people anymore. That’s the problem with what Trump/Powell just did. They could have funded Bernie’s programs 2x with that. So again, while I don’t agree with any of it (borders, bernie, or printing money), you can’t ask that question anymore. The answer is really simple: you call Jay Powell and tell him to print it.
Corporations who hire illegal immigrants to do shit jobs Americans don’t want to do should pay for their workers insurance. The system we currently have is corpoate welfare.
What are these magical jobs “illegals” are doing? Picking strawberries? You want that job? I bet you can have it if you want. But you’ll demand more than the $2 an hour they get paid. And you’ll demand insurance too. These “illegals” don’t, which throws the burden not onto the corporate billionaires who benefit from their work but onto the taxpayer.
Again, the guy working the shit job isn’t your enemy. The owner of the company that benefits is the one you should be pissed off at.
A lot of folks don’t understand who’s screwing them, they blame people who should be their allies because they feed on the well funded corporate propaganda.
When and if the country starts working again take a drive through a new sub division and take a look at some of the crews framing houses. Im pretty sure not all are picking berries.
Illegals do frame houses and pick berries, and Cake is right corporate welfare is an enormous problem. You only hear how citizens should be cut off welfare, but you hear nothing about corporations being cut off…
Why do you assume the people you see framing houses are illegal? Because they are brown?
Not all are illegal either.
That one bugged me too for three big reasons.
First one is the same as yours. Take care of citizens our health care system is expensive and shitty.
Second one is I know most of them are just lying to avoid any heat.
Third is its a dumb solution. They need to address immigration in the first place so there are paths to citizenship. Currently illegal immigrants basically just use the emergency room which is super expensive. Make paths for them to work towards citizenship or get greencards so they can go to a normal doctor like anyone else. If they fail at those paths then they should get deported as they don’t want to contribute to society.
Agree. Im not against immigration. Just do it the right way and many do. I owe the illegal nothing. My tax dollars should be spent elsewhere.
Trump companies hire illegals
Why are you okay with that?
Nope.
But you plan to vote for him so how are you opposing him hiring illegals?
I told you I’m voting for Mickey mouse.
No. Are you? Im stating what i think. You ok with gropy joe? Did you you vote for Hillary who had interesting baggage, to say the least. Its a funny little game you play. He did this, he did that. Why would you vote for him? Because he aint joe efn Biden. And he wasnt Hillary.
BB has been fairly consistent. He gets fired up but using hyperbolic arguments to make him look dumb is gonna backfire. he isn’t dumb and he doesn’t have much hypocrisy going on. He just has a different take on how the world works than a typical democrat.
Illegal is weird for me too. I think Asylum rules are pretty nuts. If my neighbor was scared they were gonna get murdered I would shelter them and its hard for me to not extend that feeling to a global situation. To me I think we should really expand our green card rules and quota (we need the workers anyways). Couple that with real ways to move from greencard to citizen in larger numbers. I don’t really get why we don’t want people who want to live here and make the US better. If they are willing to do the work and contribute then lets do this. If they are some scummy criminal or burnout then fuck’em boot them out and never let them back.
Every immigrant I know in the US loves the US more than most Americans I know and work their asses off. Statistically immigrants are a tiny part of crime until 2nd generation or so (same generation of original american immigrants that started the whole revolution thing). Instead of making people sit in shitty situations for decades have a robust greencard program with a 5 year (or something) requirement and robust steps to citizenship. People who are down will do the work and people who don’t deserve it won’t. It just feels like the whole system is so negative and it would be cool if it was more like a reward for doing the right thing instead of waiting in line at Disney World on a 110F day to ride dumbo or some other shit ride. Lets be productive and positive about it so that people who build the life can get the rewards and we all feel good about it.
As much as people in the United States love to obsess about Trump and justifiably blame him for his administration’s lacking response, China deserves FAR more blame than they are getting. Trump didn’t let the virus spread globally and cause everyone to suffer – the CCP coverup and WHO’s CCP shilling did. Unlike the US media we all get shoved down our throats 24/7, I don’t think Italy and the UK, among dozens of other countries struggling with this, are blaming Trump for the pandemic, as they’re not US-centric like everyone here.
Blaming Trump while ignoring China’s role is like if a person hit you with a baseball bat while a cop was standing there, and then putting all blame on the cop for not protecting you while completely absolving the bat-swinger of responsibility. Because you’re obsessed with not liking cops or something. It’s ridiculous.
There is PLENTY of blame to go around. It’s mindboggling how some people are letting the primary perpetrators off the hook. Multiple parties are responsible for our US misfortune, but one is primarily responsible for the global misfortune.
Also, I’m looking forward soooooo much to this November when we get to choose between incompetence and dementia to lead the country. Awesome.
Trump was defending China, he helped China cover it up.
That’s the problem
Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump – good grief! Did you even read what I wrote?
Yes, did you read and/or listen to Trump in January and February?
Yes, I have been following this whole ordeal for months. The corruption and incompetence it has laid bare across the world is staggering.
Not in countries like South Korea, why were they able to figure out China was lying but King Trump couldn’t?
The first known case in both countries was the same day I believe.
Across the world, but not everywhere in the world. Taiwan, for example, has been the biggest star in this IMO.
Citing one of the best responses in the world with a culture and history totally different than the hardest hit parts isn’t really good. Thats like citing how awesome Sweden is doing compared to the US despite their lack of isolation. Sure thats true but they are sucking ass compared to Denmark and Norway. South Korea is ready cause they have lost people to SARS and Bird Flu, Yellow Fever and all sorts of crap for years. We had H1N1 that took a year to kill 10,000 people and we did very little to mitigate it at all.
Edit: Scotty that was meant for young. Taiwan is making good use of that Island life. Killer response
Have you listened to anything Trump has said? China bought him 6 weeks to work with thanks to their Draconian lockdown of their people. Trump flushed that down the toilet while fluffing Xi the entire time saying how they were doing so well and everything was great, all to prop up the stock market.
China’s system is fucked up, no doubt, but Trump had a lot of tools and a six week head start. He squandered that and now we’ll have hundreds of thousands of dead Americans.
Plus, our intelligence was way ahead of China’s public announcements. Trump ignored that too. The blame falls squarely on Trump.
Don’t know about anybody else but I’m so sick of winning.
How has that not become a mumble rap yet?
Cover it up? Please just stop. Your fever is just incredible. Impressive but not surprising. Trump does that to some.
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
-Donald Trump
January 24th 2020
Convince me this statement didn’t help China cover this up.
I know you won’t but here is your chance.
Imagine if Hillary were President and said that on January 24th. You really think you wouldn’t accuse her of aiding China?
It’s called stupid incompetent “diplomacy”. He got the wool pulled over his eyes and/or wanted to downplay everything early on. That is his fault.
Let’s assume your interpretation is true. If you say he was “helping China cover this up”, that implies you acknowledge China was leading a cover-up… and would further indicate China deserves most of the blame.
Of course, you will reject that and continue to solely/mostly blame Trump, but I wanted to point out the absurdity to anyone else reading.
No, I expect dictatorships to cover stuff like this up. China is doing what I expect them to do.
The job of the President is to listen to their intelligence (and our intelligence knew this was bad prior to January 24th when this statement was made) and protect us from dictatorships that are obviously going to lie to us.
Call it absurd all you want.
But could you imagine if in 1982 a pandemic came out of the USSR and Reagan trusted them to tell the truth? Of course not, because Reagan wasn’t stupid.
Trump is.
I don’t live in China, I don’t care what China does. I live in America and I expect our President to be smarter than a 5 year old.
You seem to be saying that people should ignore or downplay improper conduct by a country, as long as that country conducts itself improperly on a regular basis. I can’t do that, especially while that country has been trying to launch a PR/propaganda offensive while minimizing their role in creating a global crisis of a magnitude not seen in decades.
I remember trying to decide who to vote for in 2016. I didn’t want to vote for Clinton, because she was a corrupt elitist. I didn’t want to vote for Trump, because I had huge (yuge?) questions about his competence. The choices for president get worse every election, and I knew as bad as things were then, they were going to be even worse in 2020. More polarization, more extremes, more fractiousness… And sure enough, here we are. I’d take Clinton over Biden, and I’d take what we knew about 2016 Trump over what we know about 2020 Trump.
Remember 2008 and 2012? Obama/McCain, Obama/Romney? If those were our candidates right now, I’d feel like we won the political lottery compared to today. (Yes, I know McCain has passed away, but you get what I mean.)
I didn’t say that. China sucks.
I just don’t excuse President’s for being too stupid to listen to their own intelligence and instead choose to listen to China.
I knew Trump was 2020 Trump in 2016. Sorry you didn’t.
Obama and Romney seem like Abe Lincoln and George Washington right now.
McCain…still awful.
Imagine Fuchi talking to WHO officials inside China. “How are things going in china” says Fuchi to WHO official. “Great” says WHO official “Xi is cooperating with us and giving us complete access to all data”. “That’s fantastic” says Fuchi, “do you guys need any help with anything?” “Nope, the Chinese about have this thing whipped” exclaims the WHO official.
Meanwhile WHO offical is actually swimming in the Peoples Communist Olympic swimming pool at Xi’s palace in Beijing.
Back in the US Fuchi calls trump. “Mr president i have good news from China, Xi is working with WHO, we are going to be OK.” Trump says “Thats fantastic, wonderful, wonderfully fantastic. That’s tremendous news, but who is with Xi?” “Yes WHO is with Xi in china” states Fuchi. “I dont know who is with Xi, thats what I’m asking you Dr Fuchi”. Says trump. Yes Mr president WHO is working in China with Mr. Xi they’re doing a great job flatten the curve” says Fuchi. “Who’s in china” trump barks. “Yes Mr president, WHO is in china.” Fuchi says. “God dammit Fuchi I’m asking who is in china” yells trump. “Yes, WHO is there with Xi in china” says Fuchi. “MOTHERFUCKER” trump slams the phone down.
And now the world has the ‘Rona.
Funny but larger point.
We know for a fact that US intelligence was NOT telling Trump there was no danger.
You know what would have been awesome? If Trump had appointed a US representative to WHO, a job he has left vacant since 2018.
But, we don’t need employees in WHO ensuring they are telling the truth, lets just blindly trust them.
Thats still no guarantee that he’ll get the truth. Just look a the CDCs claim they could make a test kit that was faster, cheaper and more reliable then the overseas versions. They oversold and underperformed that task to the point that trump sent a representative from the FDA to the CDC and they refused the FDA rep access to the building trying to cover up their little bullshit ploy. All the while telling trump it was coming very soon. It only took 4 weeks to get it rolling, 4 weeks after they guaranteed trump it would be done.
Isn’t the CDC under his leadership?
The CDC director was appointed by Trump.
So, how do CDC failures not land at the bosses (Trump’s) feet?
He said he’d hire “all the best people”?
China, WHO, Trump…all to blame.
But when the President calls it a democratic hoax during the invaluable six week window where he could have done something, that’s inexcusable.
I get he restricted flights, but I think that was after the hoax fiasco. That hoax thing is what pisses me off the most.
*sigh*
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democratic-ad-twists-trumps-hoax-comment/
Assuming you read the whole article. More damning than vindicating.
That one is aging poorly. Read the full quotes starting about halfway down.
“China, WHO, Trump…all to blame.”
EXACTLY. Everyone pitched rotten ingredients into this pandemic pie.
But Trump is the only one that CHOSE to take the job of President. One expectation of said job that Trump CHOSE to take is that you protect the USA from all enemies foreign and domestic.
China and WHO took no such oath. Trump did.
Trump gets the blame in America. Its the job he asked for.
So now you’re saying we shouldn’t hold entities responsible for damage they cause, as long as they don’t have some oath to protect us? That’s not how anything works. Heck, courts everywhere would be completely empty if that’s how things worked.
I don’t even know what to say anymore…
Again, you aren’t listening to what I am saying.
China sucks, China sucks, China sucks.
One more time, China sucks.
But let’s say the USA is a multinational corporation and China is a competitor. Trump is the CEO of the USA corporation.
If China corporation kept telling USA corporation things that led to USA corporation losing trillions of dollars. Would you expect the CEO of USA corporation (Trump) to survive?
I don’t have stock in China so I don’t care why I lost lots of money on my investment but I know I want a new CEO in charge of USA corporation even if China should be charged with fraud.
I agree with your last sentence, don’t know what to say anymore either.
If you think Trump is doing an adequate job so be it.
I sure as fuck do not.
I challenge you to find anywhere I said Trump is doing an adequate job on this and not the opposite.
Agree, I hope China gets it in the bottom economically for this. I hope they get at least 30% contraction in global business due to people ditching just in time and diversifying supply chains. Hoping the CCP gets metphorically ground up by tank tracks.
welcome back, Scotty. I thought we had lost you, like we have several contributors
So Trump thought the chicoms were being on the up and up. As it turned out they weren’t. So its his fault? It was them covering it up. He shouldnt have been that gullible. You now know he restricted flights from china right? Within a few days after saying that. So what. Its nothing.
400,000 people flew from China AFTER Trump restricted flights. So, yeah, it’s nothing.
I do enjoy your defense of Trump.
He was gullible, so what? LOL
“We’ve been in very close contact with China, including myself with President Xi. He very much wanted this to happen,” said Trump. “He wanted this to get out and finished and be done. He worked — he’s been working very, very hard, I can tell you that. And they’re making a lot of progress in China.”
Donald Trump
February 29, 2020
Youngorst… They flew here through Europe… With all the bad publicity Trump for that move, you think blocking Europe wouldn’t have been a big deal? Come on… Trump didn’t do the best but he actually shut down the country and handed out checks which is crazy for him, he did what he had to and that says a lot… China is responsible for this not Trump… Our hospitals not being prepared is not his fault, the toilet paper industry not being ready is not his fault, there are many people to blame
Do you think Donald Trump is solely responsible for the stimulus checks?
When did Trump shutdown the country?
BTW, how is not the government’s role to ensure hospitals are ready for pandemics?
Didn’t students from wuwan come to cascade school district In Oregon in January? That’s an example of possibly infected people bringing the virus into the US. China should not have allowed that trip to happen given their knowledge. Also, people die every year all year long from health issues. I won’t blame a president every time someone dies from “Covid”.
Care to point to where I have specifically blamed Trump for a single death?
I don’t blame Trump for the deaths. The virus kills people.
I blame Trump failing to be ready for a virus causing us to have to shutdown our economy when we should have been ready for it and had enough testing to do contact tracing and keep our economy going with much smaller interruption.
Like South Korea
A byproduct of such preparation would have been less dead Americans and Trump winning re-election in a landslide.
Don’t know why he didn’t do it. He’s had warning that we weren’t ready since at least 2018 (longer if he listened to Obama instead of irrationally hating him)
No I don’t think he’s solely responsible for anything, that’s exactly my point… so you are saying he’s responsible for the deaths but you won’t give him credit for the things he did right… as far as the hospitals, I know first hand how it works… the govt asks do you have these supplies, hospital says yes… govt never actually checks if they do… pandemic happens, hospital says we did indeed have them but they don’t function because we stored them in a leaky trailer outside our building… don’t think others are not at fault that’s all I am saying
Which is why we have a federal strategic reserve of supplies for cases where hospitals couldn’t possibly be expected to be prepared. I know Jared said, those aren’t for the states but prior to Jared saying that, the website said they were. So I believe the website.
Congress (not Trump) sent us checks. And if you say “he could have vetoed it”. No he couldn’t, it was a veto proof vote in both the House and the Senate. Trump wanted a payroll tax cut (which would have been useless for unemployed people)
Governors (again not Trump) shut the country down.
And again, find me a single post where I blamed Trump for a single death. You won’t.
Who do you think the stockholders would blame if a company had a massive fuck up that cost them billions? The VP in charge of whatever department fucked up or the CEO?
Likely both but the CEO is definitely answering for it.
the question, Young, is whether it is the FEDERAL government’s responsibility to keep local hospitals equipped.
Our intelligence community warned the white House about how bad this was going to be. Trump ignored the warnings.
Really doesn’t matter what China did. Why does anybody trust them? Who knows. Trump trusted their numbers and said they’re doing great.
Americans died.
Why are people deflecting Trump’s epic failures?
Trump trusted WHO numbers. Thats where he fucked up. Those Fuckers deserve what they got.. But you’re insane to think if trump stopping all travel into the US in early February or even late January would have stopped people from dieing.
No, he fucked up by refusing to appoint a US representative to WHO.
If you are not into Trump (like me) the back and forth of his words is really distressing. He bounces back and forth between China being great best friends or the biggest evil ever. That lack of any consistent behavior makes you really wonder wtf to think. Then people say don’t take him literally and its like…hes the president is he not supposed to have some policy that you can understand? Like if my former boss told me something I would more or less take them seriously. Hes the boss of the government and no one really knows what he actually thinks about much of anything.
You are just suppose to blindly trust him.
It is how cults work.
I mean i doubt everyone who supports Trump is blindly trusting but they must give significant benefit of the doubt. You can’t just assume 30% of the country is stupid or something. There’s benefits to people with him being in power or they wouldn’t like him. Even if the benefit is him being an a-hole makes them more normalized or something (not calling all trump supporters an a-hole just an example). The whole reason I framed it that way is to give the angry right wing members of the board a look into what its like being on the otherside.
Its hard to frame anything with Trump without it being inflamatory and I guess that was my drunken attempt haha.
Smart people join cults all the time.
My best friend went from despising Trump in late 2015 to wanting to change the Constitution so he can run again in 2024.
And I don’t consider him dumb.
Nuke: Trump tends to tout his relationship with Xi (not that country’s policies) , which is an age-old tactic in international diplomacy. Are you too young to remember the old Cold War dialogue: “We had a frank and business-like discussion.”?
I was born the same year the wall fell.
I said restricted. Never believed they stopped all flights.
See above, Trump was still praising China at the end of February, it’s almost as if he finally decided to blame China only after he realized he fucked up?
there’s some truth to this. better late than never
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBVAnaHxHbM
If only somebody, anybody could have seen this coming.
That’s what she said.
As a non-Trumper, I’m going to give his Covid task force team some credit. Hope that is allowed.
I think their phased plan to re-introduce people back into circulation makes sense and is reasonable. At least what I’ve read so far.
You can’t keep everything on lock down indefinitely, and the guidelines they’ve laid out are on par with what I had hoped for.
That’s fine, except there’s going to be a shit ton of new cases…the problem as I’m reading it is he believes we’ve hit peak. I don’t think that’s true at all if we go out.
Personally I won’t be going out for a while until I know it’s all clear. At least not without PPE.
Sadly, it won’t be all clear until you (and everyone else) is vaccinated.
That’s assuming we can even create an effective vaccine. I really hope we can.
I wouldn’t count on it.
still waiting for the HIV vaccine
Zen this is America, we will hit like 85% max. Fortunately basically good enough.
We have a flu vaccine and a sh*t ton of people still die from the flu every year. Testing/Treatment is more important than a vaccine.
Flu vaccines are trivalent so they only cover three subtypes any given year. There are hundreds of identified flu viruses that humans can get. There’s two strains of covid-19. People usually are not dieing of a flu strain that we vaccinated against.
Don’t disagree but we shouldn’t have let it get here.
With proper leadership (like South Korea) we probably wouldn’t have even needed to get this extreme.
Just commenting on the current response to the current status of things.
Can’t go back in time and change what has already happened and I’m not giving a pass for the initial response the first few months.
But we are where we are, so we still need to have a plan for how to move forward. Maybe my expectations are already pretty low at this point, so I’m easy to please.
I get that and believe me I am ready to go back out into the world.
I am probably closer to all the MAGA people protesting stay at home orders than I am to the we have to wait for a vaccine crowd.
I had opening day tickets in Seattle and was still planning to go.
Personally, I can’t wait to open stuff back up and have no fear of going into a crowded space.
But realistically we can’t do this until we have enough testing available to do contact tracing.
that’s reasonable, Nice.
Pandoras Box is a bitch. At some point we have to consider the future though.
Asian countries have seen outbreaks like this before. They were well prepared for another one. Everyone has masks too, its cultural. Have you been out in public recently? How odd is it too see people wearing masks shopping at the store? Its very unsettling to me. Asia has been doing it for 40 years.
I would assume we will be very prepared for the next outbreak. That doesn’t help us now, but it will help in the future as long as its not another 100 years.
We were warned we weren’t prepared for this. I don’t think it is okay to be unprepared.
I just don’t.
100% true BB. The difference between us and S. Korea really illustrates that fact. Even if we had a perfect response S. Korea would have done better than us.
Stupid drunk thought experiment: How fast does Japan get whooped in WW2 if the US was at the same level of millitary buildup and prepardness in 1941 that they were in 1945.
I guess the difference between me and you guys is I don’t buy the argument that this was impossible to be prepared for.
We would have still had some shutdowns but not 90% of the country.
Its not impossible but its impractical if you think about how humans work. Someone who has never had even the thought that someone can punch them in the face isn’t going to take lessons for how to defend against getting punched in the face. The US hasn’t had a real threat like this since the Spanish flu. Thats literally 4 generations ago. A capitalist society is not going to invest and prepare for that when we need roads and education and bailouts for JP Morgan.
Humans react to the most pressing thing at any given time (in general) Hell the news cycle lasts like 10 days max on any given story. To be prepared for this a country would need to invest for decades and the citizens would need to be aware and ready for the eventuality. The US is very ready for terrorist attacks and prevention cause we have been hit and its alive in most peoples memories. 9/11 was huge but we have been hit many times since then on a smaller scale over seas. It simply was not a priority and given human nature it made no sense for it to be one.
I think this administration failed to respond and even shot itself in the foot with some bad decisions (ignoring the playbook, not keeping the strategic supply up to date, making its own tests instead of making its own test and using exisitng, personnel decisions) but not making those mistakes wouldn’t mean we do as well as S. Korea. To kick Covid in the ass we would have needed to close all ports of entry in late January and had testing for anyone coming in established. Anyone who tested positive would have had to go to immediate isolation. That step wouldn’t have happened under pretty much any leadership because we had no experience with the results of not doing it.
Which is why we have government
So they can make those decisions
I just disagree.
Both Obama and Bust warned of this happening.
I won’t excuse it with “human behavior”
People knew…
My guess would be they wouldn’t have got whipped, NB, because if we were at that level of military strength at the time, they wouldn’t have taken us on, but would have just kept nibbling at getting Asian sources of oil, rubber, etc. while continuing to “negotiate” with us, while hoping we would get focused on Germany, et al, and keep our focus on Europe.
What did Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge or Harding do that would have given us equal response to what S. Korea managed?
Human behavior drives everything we do. Until we ascend past our small time scales and limited perspective shit will keep happening that is preventable. We do not have the attention span or psychology to deal with every preventable existential threat all the time. I haven’t heard anyone talk about asteroid impacts, upgrading for catastrophic earthquakes, preparing infrastructure for super volcanoes, upgrading islands and coastal areas for flooding and storm surge, losing fisheries to acidification, nuclear payload attacks or detecting terrorist tunnels outside Topeka this week but they are all things that could hurt us tomorrow and have effects on society for decades. As long as we are still human we WILL NOT be prepared for every threat.
Its common belief in South Korea that if you sleep with a fan on you will die of hypothermia or suffocate. They literally put timers on every fan. They have different experience.
@Ripper – Exactly! We were not prepared for the eventuality so we got a protracted war. Should we blame the the US for not conceiving of being involved in that level of global conflict when we were busy pulling out of the depression? Sure but its pointless. Since then we have been the most dangerous millitary threat in the world cause we don’t want that shit to happen to us again. It has worked to varying effect but damn its expensive.
Young will never forgive you from deviating from the orthodoxy
There is something seriously rotten going on at the Treasury. Barton Options was all over this months ago. Genius.
This virus is a red herring. The virus will pass. The Treasury situation…dire.
That makes sense. People who haven’t been sick yet will definitely still want to wear PPE and be cautious.
Still think antibody testing is the missing key ingredient. A large segment of the population will still be hesitant to get out and about, until they know for sure they have or have not already had a bout with the illness. The number of people who have is likely much higher than the reported number of positive cases, simply due to the asymptomatic as well as those who had mild cases and stayed home with no diagnosis.
I’m just saying I’m in favor of the rolling 14 day phase windows and the measured approach. If cases start to creep back up, dial it back. And let the states handle their own approach.
The main issue I have is how do you antibody test 330M people? There will be competition for available testing if availability is limited.
Mimosa strikes again. Was intended as a reply to AB a few posts above. I think this thread is drunk. It’s already having loading issues on my mobile. That happened quickly
I think there was 300 comments today lol
We should be masking and keep distancing until it burns out or we have mass vaccination. Pretty sure the only way antibody testing works is if you antibody test prior to vaccination. The phasing sounds good but I really worry that we have been flat at like 25k-30K per day even with isolation. The shutdown would destroy any flu but this thing is really insidious that it still infects that many people when we are not even out in mass.
“The main issue I have is how do you antibody test 330M people?”
IMO you don’t. That’s never going to happen. The other problem is this is looking less like a virus you get once and then have extended immunity for. We might be passing this thing back and forth and all around for a really long time. If you have credible news to the contrary, please share – could use something positive!
I’ve read about 60 papers in the last 3 weeks on Covid. I have no good news in that respect. Honestly the ONLY good things about this virus is the mortality rate (.25-.5) is historically not that bad compared to Ebola or other super deadly bastards and the age range it attacks. I don’t want to be mean to older folks in here but something that kills under 20’s is way more horrific to me than something that is cutting an 80 year olds life shorter.
A coworker of mine lives in China. He told me they have had significant success treating Covid positive patients with blood infusions from recovered patients. So the antibodies may not prevent infections but maybe increase the recovery rate.
Yeah they have been doing plasmid transfer in the US too. Its a challenging treatment because its basically 1 to 1 and we also need plenty of testing. It also is more effective the earlier your start the treatment. The US has been using it in NY and NJ for about 2 weeks but its only approved for compassionate care (they will die so lets try anything). Its really not a great treatment at that stage.
I’m just imagining people who test positive for the antibody will start selling their blood on the black market for millions. Forget gold, start investing in covid antibody plasma!
“I don’t want to be mean to older folks in here but something that kills under 20’s is way more horrific to me than something that is cutting an 80 year olds life shorter.”
If you think of the deaths in terms of number of years saved it’s a fair assessment. It’s a type of triage strategy that makes sense.
One 25 year old should live at least another 40 years, in terms of 80 year old life expectancy, that’s a lot of 80 year olds.
It’s not definitive, but Dr Fauci seems fairly confident recovery from a first bout with thos disease would give you immunity for several months. I think the example he gives is somebody recovering in March would likely be immune if a 2nd wave occurred in September.
There aren’t many examples of recovered patients being reinfected, and in those examples they’re not even certain if the patient had truly recovered because a patient can show alternating positive amd negative test results over a course of days.
Maybe the true test should be to take Tom Hanks and have him work in an NYC hospital with no PPE for a week.
If he survives, I’ll feel confident.
https://www.newsweek.com/anthony-fauci-coronavirus-reactivation-get-it-twice-immunity-1497246
Instead of Tom Hanks, can we send the spring breakers who got sick?
Tom Hanks will reprise one of his most popular roles. Coming 2022 Tom Hanks in “FOREST TRUMP”
The sadly true story of how a simple, orange, orangutan looking, (supposed) billionaire with a laughable comb over some how found himself in the middle of epic world wide events.
Due to social distancing “FOREST TRUMP” will be available for home viewing only.
The spring breakers will find a way to screw it up. I trust THanks
“Obama’s handling of this whole pandemic has been terrible! As President, ALL responsibility becomes yours during a crisis like this, whether or not you are entirely to blame. John McCain, and for that matter myself, would never let thousands of Americans die from a pandemic while in office.”
Donald Trump
November 23, 2009
Looks like Trump thinks he should be blamed….
And that is my last word.
Good night everyone.
Theres a trump contradiction quote for almost any situation. Theres a pretty entertaining site that just does 1 to 1 tweets every time he says something. I can’t find it (saw it like 18 months ago).
Will you be breaking more windows in downtown PDX when he wins again? Asking for a friend
It’s amazing how many of you love be
I guess gaslighted.
Just amazing.
Will you be adding more AK-47s to your stockpile?
Too funny, and of course this exists.
Speaking of, do you have a link to where this is from? To many characters for 2009 twitter, so it mist have been from a book? Cam’t find it yet.
It will be interesting to see how things shake out in higher ed once “normal” returns. OSU already has a strong Online Degree program. I wonder what the campus enrollment will be in September. Someone is going to need to fill all of those new apartment buildings. I expect a good chunk of students find themselves adapting to learning on-line quite well and decide not to return to campus, they can live at home with their folks, work part-time. The only thing they miss out on is frat parties and sports events – and they could still make the trek for those on the weekends.
I see Dr. Phil (a famous right-winger, I think), says this has all been a big over-reaction.
What is the significance of Dr. Phil saying something?
just part of a cross section of opinion. no more significant than you or I.
Dr. of Bullshitology
Cool. Dr Phil making an appearance on Laura Ingraham comparing the Coronavirus to swimming pool deaths. Any significance other than we just wasted time thinking about it?
“….360,000 people a year to swimming pool deaths, but we don’t shut the country down for this”
-Pool accidents are not a communicable disease. Coronavirus is.
-If 360,000 people a year died in pool accidents, we’d shut down pools, because that would be an effective way to curb that number.
-In reality world, 3,600 people die in pool accidents annually. So we put fences around pools and have rules around pool use to hopefully keep that number down.
-This is Dr Phil on Ingraham. I’d learn more by listening to somebody fart into a box fan on high.
Ingraham also interviews Dr. Fauci. Relevant because somebody here yesterday mentioned we’re still waiting for an HIV vaccine.
INGRAHAM: We don’t have a vaccine for SARS or HIV. Life went on, right?
FAUCI: HIV/AIDS is very different. We have effective treatments. And SARS went away. So your comparison is misleading.
I: But coronavirus could disappear too.
F: These kind of viruses don’t just disappear.
So did Dr Drew. So?
mik also is making meals for 1st responders
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/oregon-state-beavers/mikayla-pivec-embracing-journey-ahead-wnba-draft
True to form, we’re gonna miss her.
here’s a online auction for “rare? ” coins
https://oregon.hibid.com/catalog/207736/ktb-coinsignment-coin-auction/
Stimulus Status tool is up.
https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus/economic-impact-payments
Note: Their language sucks. If you have have not received a refund in the last two years then you have to wait. Example: I always owe taxes so I have to wait.
Wow…. usually we get refunds, just this year we owed taxes big time but just got our check yesterday.
Hey Angry, it’s been 50 years and grad school since I last read Mises, Hayek, etc. Give me a refresher on how a deflationary cycle works through an economy. I know that people holding debt are benefitted by inflation because they pay old debts with cheaper and more numerous dollars. The stock market is up, but that’s a function of naïve optimism that we’re only in for a short recession. As much as they loathe Trump, the Wall Streeters hope he’s right about a V-shaped recovery. the real indicators, it seem to me, are the rising prices of commodities like oil and gold.
(Please carry your response over to a new thread if you start one this morning.)
It’s been five or ten years since I read Hayek, and I only read the Road to Serfdom, which was one of my all time favorite books, btw. I just can’t remember the fine details of it. I should probably re-read it Stat. Mises and the Austrian school have an entire site dedicated to him, and his basic ideas on deflation are here:
https://mises.org/library/deflating-deflation-myth
https://mises.org/wire/deflation-always-good-economy
You can dig around there for a refresher, but pretty much most of the ideas I am talking about here are reflections of his ideas.
I really want to check out this book:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1999257405/ref=ox_sc_crt_mini_detail?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
I firmly believe we need deflation for an extended period of time in order to feel any “prosperity”…wages have not kept up with inflation, so people have made more money, but they don’t feel any richer, and if anything they feel poorer. This is leading to a lot of unrest and blame being placed on the symptoms instead of the cure.
The argument is not whether Trump is arrogant, incompetent, dishonest, or a sociopath (it is clear he is all of those). It is whether half the country can get over the wedge topics to vote for the best fit.
Most Republicans I know vote Republican regardless of the quality of leadership (see Bush, Trump), they vote for guns, abortion, or against LGBTQ rights to marriage. I’m convinced that won’t change no matter what after seeing them defend Trump even after he lies or goes rogue in the evening news every night – he was supposed to be a middle finger to the system, now he’s a middle finger to decency of our democracy — I would take Bush back just for that reason alone. Deep down whether they know it or not, they know their status quo regarding guns/abortion/LGBTQ will stay intact as long as someone like Trump stays in office — they’ve sold their souls to the mega church preacher with a jet plane.
I agree Biden is not the answer either, like many on here have stated. But lots of people will vote “against” him for fear he will take away their guns, or like my mother says — “Democrats are baby killers”. When people vote for these reasons, this is what we get….the pendulum continues to swing erratically.
And don’t get me wrong, having both parties healthy is a good thing, to maintain checks and balances, but this bullying mob mentality against Dems that Trump Fox News has created is just plain wrong — it’s turning our nation into a bunch of assholes — left and right!
What I really don’t get is how the evangelicals call abortion murder where the bible doesn’t even cover anything about abortion. Jesus/God states that life begins at the first breath not before.
And why does abortion even affect these bible thumpers anyway? It’s not like their precious daughters are the ones getting knocked up who need abortions. it’s the poor and disadvantageous people who are the ones who’d need the abortion the most. But hey we can’t have that can’t let poor people not be poor anymore right? Need those poor people to feed the military right?
Also, what’s with old white men so obsessed with female reproductive systems?? What’s the obsession with Planned Parenthood that provides so many other crucial healthcare needs to disadvantaged people?
I don’t know, I’m pretty mixed on it, depends on early versus late term, etc. Early term before first trimester (12 weeks) is fine by me….I don’t feel right after that. My wife is a big believer in Planned Parenthood, it has many services for the low income demographic. Personally I couldn’t go through with an abortion unless my pregnant wife’s life was in danger. It is just a strange topic for many voters to get hung up on, but it is what it is.
I’m not a religious expert, but I believe it has something to do with a belief of life beginning at conception. Therefore, abortion = murder. Also part of why some non-religious people are also pro-life.
Except they have zero scripture to defend that position.
Scripture is pretty clear that life begins at “first breath”
In other words, birth.
Good points, that’s why I think it comes down to moderates like me. I gave my reasoning above.
I own guns, and I’m not at all afraid of Biden.
The thing is, the (R) spins themselves as the Jesus party with the abortion stuff, but then they fuck over the poor, disabled, veterans, etc to feed money upward to the rich, then saying the poor will get some of those breadcrumbs via “trickle down.” Is that what Jesus would do? My mom votes (R) and is very religious (sent me to a religious schooling for 9 years) so I never get over this aspect of that Party. So it’s not okay to kill a baby, even if it came via a rape, etc, but it is okay to slowly kill the poor, disabled, vets, etc via economic policies? Makes zero sense. I guess once you’re over age 1 Jesus doesn’t give a shit about you!
Absolutely Angry,
My wife is a psychiatric care provider here in GA and the amount of hospitalized individuals with psychiatric issues that were sold into human trafficking is astounding. You’d be amazed of how many babies who, unfotunately should have been aborted, are sold to fuel drug habits or are just simply not cared for.
What’s more Godly, caring for a child that’s wanted and loved or letting a child be neglected and possibly abused?
I wonder about this too….they say “it takes a village” but then I don’t expect folks to step-up and just start adopting every orphan either. That’s where states have adoption programs whatnot to encourage families to adopt. There’s actually quite a bit of money involved.
I grew-up in a religious home, parents were more the Christian hippy types of the late sixties early seventies. We witnessed pastors in churches do some awfully bad things — married and then running off with younger sycophant, leaving the wife and kids behind — in both cases these guys were big talkers, and were very good at getting church followers to tithe amounts of money they shouldn’t have. I went to some private schooling early on too (girls wore dresses and boys wore pants….even in the hot summer). I love my parents and I wouldn’t change my upbringing for anything, they are Conservative Republican although my mother and father have opened up to gays a bit more now that she has had gay hair stylists, “they are normal”, and my father had a gay co-worker that he got along with really well. Go figure. They can careless about guns, but will vote Republican every time regarding the abortion issue. My wife and I have considered getting a gun or two, but don’t feel it is the right time given we have a five year old and his friends running around the house getting into everything. We would need training before we brought a gun home.
What’s strange is we were dirt poor growing up, yet my parents somehow found $75 a month to send me to a Catholic school. I had to wear the same uniform every day because they were too poor to buy a second one. It was pretty humiliating. I’ll always sympathize with the downtrodden because of it, and I know they’re not all “lazy”, etc as the Right makes it out. It’s quite offensive, tbh. And yeah, I remember wearing those long pants in the dead of summer. Brutal. Our priests abused the kids verbally, and I saw one teacher hit kids. Luckily we never saw sexual issues. What’s also strange is my parents had gay friends growing up. They’d play cards with these two guys every weekend. So they had no issues with gays. I’m not sure really what was going on. They seemed confused/in conflict.
$75 a month O_o
Good points here.
I own several guns, I’ve never been afraid they were going to be taken away. How does that work exactly? Has anyone described a process describing in realistic terms how it occurs?
Biden is not an exciting candidate. This is his third run at the presidency, I’m unconvinced he has new ideas (e.g. Angry’s point about taking on the Fed), but under Biden I don’t think democracy would be undone as is the case with the Trump administration. Biden COULD get a good VP candidate and actually make the VP meaningful and that could be productive.
Who are the good leadership candidates for 2024 and 2028? Some Rs are already calling for Donald Jr., and I thought it couldn’t get worse.
I’m a conservative and I don’t care if women want abortions, its a personal liberty.
As for gay marriage, let them get married i don’t care. But what i do care about is that the government has no business in any marriage gay or straight. There wouldn’t be this big problem if government just butted out of it.
What exactly makes you conservative then?
What you support is basically the opposite of the conservative platform.
I have leaned Republican for fiscal responsibility, although that seems to be grey when contrasting the two parties nowadays. I won’t vote based on guns, abortion or LGBTQ unless the choice is way too far to the right (I liked McCain and Romney) or left ( I wouldn’t vote for Sanders).
When has the GOP ever been fiscally responsible? Other than claiming they are when they don’t control the White House the evidence since at least Reagan strongly suggests that if you are a fiscal conservative you should want a Democrat in the White House.
I get your point….there is a lot of that kind of talk from the Neo-Republicans, so it sounds great and it gets them elected — the money has got to come from somewhere — and I’m not opposed to tax increase if the goals are clear, at least on a State/local level where I can actually see the results and/or hold them to it. Like others have commented, there is no money for health care, but all of a sudden there are trillions of dollars to keep the economy propped up — there is a balance between circumstance and accountability — so maybe all that has changed since Obama, but I don’t see it. Obama had major warts going into his 2nd term, enough that I couldn’t vote for him a second time, but thought he did good to get us out of the Great Recession. Clinton is the only one to balance the budget in my lifetime, but again, the times have changed and it is hard to judge given the world and national dynamics are all different. Trump has done well with China trade and IP, but I can’t think of anything else he’s been great at (other than his narcissistic comments that divide us, he’s good at that). The economy would of done great with or without him, and he’s building a wall with our money that he promised would get from Mexico. He has pardoned a shit load of white collar criminals and gave the presidential medal of freedom to a radio talk show host that panders to him, spreads ill-founded conspiracy and divides people and our nation.
What were Obama’s economic warts going into his 2nd term? The debt we accumulated during his first term is what saved the economy, you can’t give him credit o fixing the economy while attacking him for the very tool needed to do that.
Did you look at the deficits during his 2nd term? All lower than the deficits during Trump’s Presidency.
Don’t agree on your assessment with regards to Trump and China either. All bluster, no real policy. China is stealing just as much IP as they were before Trump.
TPP was an actual policy that would have isolated China.
Debt doesn’t save an economy it just delays the crash.
Each “save” requires more debt.
Obama made things worse by printing money. Trump just made them 10x worse. At some point we’re going to default and go through an actual great depression, and it’s on everyone going back to Woodrow Wilson, but especially since Nixon. Federal Reserve problem not a president problem.
Angry,
And one I largely agree with but…
That is a larger argument. Neither side is making that argument.
Less federal government? Less spending? Although lately Trump hasn’t done either. His new taxes screwed my family over. Like I said it’s a grey area both parties seem to dabble in and out of. Believe me, I would love to have less spending on the military and other things, and more spending on public schools and infrastructure — typically Democratic focuses.
Say hey to your husband
I keep harping on his sociopathic behavior but not all sociopaths are bad nor all their behavior bad ….Surgeons tend to be sociopathic by nature because they have ingrained empathetic distance and do not get caught up in the emotion of the surgery or the very fact that the person’s life they are performing on is literally resting in their hands. Sociopaths are attracted to positions of power/influence – CEOs, Lawyers, Media, Sales, Surgeons….
At the time 2012, I just didn’t see Obama getting very far with the Congress and all of the Debt Ceiling BS from 2011…lots of the way he was being attacked in the media, wasn’t directly on him, so I thought going a different direction was warranted – think I ended up voting for Gary Johnson (Libertarian-Independent). I really wasn’t against or upset that Obama got elected at the time, thought he did OK….was tired of the entire system floundering (Boehner being an ass), and was willing to give someone else a shot. I was living in Portland at the time, and knew my vote wasn’t going to tip the scales….more of a protest vote to the way the system was being mishandled at all levels. Again, I don’t vote party lines, I vote based on the circumstances and needs at the time.
I’m going to put up a new thread. Any topics you want covered?
Seems we need a break from politics.
Maybe what projects people are doing? Such as your cheese making and my home brewing?
I’m curious if people are seeing changes in other behavior. The increased alcohol consumption is one (I heard sales are up 30%, have seen articles that its up 55% over March of 2919). This has the potential to impact people long term. What else are people doing that might have a longer term impact?
Also, what is/can Smith do to keep team engaged and motivated during this time? There’s only so much the staff can do, but I would expect them to be innovative compared to Riley or Andersen and wonder how they’re doing in comparison to other league programs? Teams are likely sharing approaches?
New thread up. Please read the criteria and let’s stick to that for a bit. At least a day or two. I need a break from all this political stuff today.
Now the stay at home order is Democratic oppression. Trump is an evil genius. I gotta give him that.
President Trump on Friday issued an online call to “LIBERATE” Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia, all states where protesters have gathered in public this week to demonstrate against stay-at-home orders issued by Democratic governors
I believe the correct word is ‘sedition’
Which a President should never promote in my opinion
But agree, I’ve never had any doubt he wouldn’t get re-elected.
What did the 2nd amendment have to do with Covid19?
Trying to understand the line of thinking, other than it’s code for
“stock up on guns while you can!(this message has been brought to you by the NRA and Reynolds tinfoil hats)”
LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!
I gave him credit for coming up with a reasonable plan, knowing in the back of my mind he would completely sabotage it within 24 hours. And he has.
No wonder the gun store had a line down the sidewalk.
While, whatever it’s code for if I were a governor I’d be bulking up my security detail.
I’d give even odds that one of the ‘patriots’ that follow Trump’s teachings will try to take out at least one of Democratic (or even one of the few non-Trump cult GOP Governors).
You know, the 2nd Amendment solution that the US Constitution demands.
Could you imagine the rage on the right if a Democrat tweeting/said even 1 of these ridiculous things?
In one single week the President of the United States has done these 3 things:
Tried to claim he has absolute authority, the Constitution be damned.
Threatened to adjourn Congress
Committed sedition against 3 states with Democratic Governors.
But, yeah the people that don’t like the guy are the one’s suffering a derangement syndrome.
Well if he gets re-elected we’ll have authoritarianism. So everyone voting for him prepare for no liberty.
Once he gets those 7 SCOtUS judges too, really watch out.
We’ve seen what he and his party have gotten away with on a 5-4 court. 7-2? They might let him declare him self Emperor Trump, with the right to choose his successor.
Yep. America is going to be unrecognizable if Trump gets a 2nd.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/
Interesting if true.
Angry, wanted to drop this in new thread with no comment but definitely has political overtones while also relevant to the virus.
Decided to put here.