15.Feb.2011 Regarding Paul Buker’s Reference

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As you guys know, we were referenced in Buker's article this morning. You can read it here.

First off, I had no idea the article existed until a reader told me. Secondly, I dislike meta-blogging (i.e. blogging about this blog) because it strays from the agenda, but I've been forced to do it yet again because of misconceptions that need clearing up. Forgive me.

Moving on, I found two reader comments particularly frustrating/ignorant.

The first is by Beaver13. He writes:

I have another reason to dislike you Buker, you gave the idiots at angrybeaver some ink. Don't encourage those guys.

Verbatim, including what I will assume are just typos and grammatical laziness. Anyway, I've heard this sentiment a lot. The guys at Rivals, many of whom post at pure-orange.net as well, have a pact to never mention this blog. They believe that ignoring, censoring, and banning dissenting opinion will make the site go away. That I'm only doing this for attention and self-promotion. They believe this because I link the blog on other websites in an effort to promote it.

Okay, let me address this once and for all because it is highly frustrating. It is true; I do post the link on other sites, and in the past couple months I have tried to promote it more. I have reasons for doing so, which I've stated numerous times since starting the site in June of 2009. How about my "critics" ask "why?" instead of jumping to conclusions? I'm easily accessible (see contact button) to answer that question if anyone desires to ask it, and I can take the criticism and address it just like like I dish it out. What gets old is people making assumptions and implying the blog is about ego, some latent desire to be a journalist, fame, or money. I don't care about any of those things (on second thought, money never hurt). But if that was a goal I'd be accepting ads I've been offered. Enough said.

The second frustrating comment was authored by billybeav. He writes:

I think the angry beavs site is retarded as well….. Of course a duck would enjoy it, it is nothing but beaver bashing.

Again, I see this sentiment a lot. Does anyone who actually reads the blog truly believe it's just some bitter asshole blindly bashing the Beavers? There's reason and justification behind all the criticism. Pure Beaver bashing would be writing something like "James Rodgers is a terrible receiver!" if he drops one pass…and then finding ways to justify or exaggerate such a blatant lie. That would be ridiculous. But saying "Keith Pankey should not be near a football field" is the truth; a truth that bothers ardent fans like myself who want to see their team win games.

The guys who wrote those comments, sadly, probably won't read this post and respond to it intelligently. But, I encourage them to inquire about the purpose instead of jumping to conclusions. Is the blog perfect? No. My biggest flaw is that I have about a dozen other hobbies, and therefore I sometimes get lazy with my research. I also never edit my posts for grammar, etc. These would be valid criticisms. But the overall sentiment of this blog is spot-on accurate, and I will never apologize for the agenda, but I will gladly explain it to those who inquire instead of assume.

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  • BeaverBeliever20 says:
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    I try not reading the comment section too much, you get comments like coachtk9. Saying Joe Burton has looked at times like the best player on the team?! seriously?!?!

    I must admit Angry on your original “angrybeavers” site I had the wrong perception of you. I never had given your site a chance and thought you were too negative about everything and didn’t know what you were talking about. Then I took a good look at the athletics at OSU and gave this site a chance and thought to myself “this is a pretty good site and I agree with most of he’s saying” I disagree with you from time to time on certain topics, but most of the night you’re pretty spot on.

    • angry angry says:
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      Cool. Thanks. By being complimentary, though, you will feed the critic’s notion that this is all about my ego. So, I can’t accept it, but thank you. *bows gracefully*

      I just don’t understand why people believe censoring or ignoring people who are constructively critical is good for the program. It reminds me of Michael Moore films. Not that I think he makes fantastic movies, but you can tell he loves America. Yet, you’ll hear people say he’s anti-American because he’s pointing out what is wrong with the country. I’d like a reasonable response as to how that makes sense. It seems like such a simple, linear thought process. If I had a wheat penny for every time I’ve been called a Duck or anti-Beaver. Come on…isn’t it clear I love the Beavers? How is that not clear!?

      My opinion is that if a person (or program) only focuses on the positive then they tread water. Focusing and correcting what is wrong (while maintaining what is right) is how you improve as a human being or a program. While we do hint at what is right here, there are plenty of sites that cover that, so my job is to focus on what is wrong and how to go about changing that, and to get as many fans as possible to see the light, get on board, and demand more from their university. Someone has to do it, and nobody has, so that’s why I exist. No other reason.
      If we could only get absolute efficiency in our athletic department’s day to day operation I’d be a happy Beaver instead of an angry Beaver. There is too much waste (money), squandered opportunity (how do you not cash in more on a potential Heisman Trophy running back?), backward thinking, etc. Someone on Blitz today actually made a great point about how the book store is closed before and after football games when they wanted to buy merchandise. How is that efficient or good for a program in need of funding? For what reason, to save the $8/hr for an employee to work the cash register?

      I know none of the critics will show up and ask the question, so I’ll just give the answer one more time loud and clear: the purpose of this site, and why I promote it everywhere I can, is because I know there are people who feel the same way I do yet lack an outlet. More importantly, I believe constructive criticism equates to improvement. Truth is difficult to accept. This is true in sports and in life. Ugly people become furious if someone tells them they’re ugly. Beaver fans become furious if you say their team is imperfect. This is human nature.

      Important people read this blog. Paul Buker, Cliff Kirkpatrick, Bob D, ex-players, relatives of players, etc. I’ve received mail from all kinds of people. I’ve received compliments, death threats, hate mail, etc. Readers have a voice here and it scares some people, but I want them to know we all want the same thing: a better program. There are different ways to skin a cat. I choose an honest, hard working pen. I think it’s better than putting on a pair of orange-colored glasses and burying your head in the sand.

  • angry angry says:
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    We’ve done good work here, too. Remember how OSU didn’t accept small donations on their website, then after we petitioned Bob D, a few months later the site accepted any dollar amount?

    I have an email from Bob D talking about the refereeing issue. We petitioned that, and it led to a discussion where Bob said he’d be writing Scott about it. Did it directly make Larry Scott make changes? No, but Bob D knowing how pissed fans were made him talk to Scott. What about how many of us signed a petition asking to be Tier 1 academically. Now we are.

    There are a number of things like that. It’s not that we just criticize and have no solutions. We take action here and solve or try to solve when possible. I firmly believe the first school (Oregon or OSU) to get an extension campus in Portland is going to benefit greatly. That’s something else worth writing Ed Ray/Bob D about if you haven’t already. Whining and complaining relieves fans of frustration, and a lot of people use this site for that purpose, which is fine, but turning it into positive action is better, and we do that too. Again, I don’t see how people could or would criticize what we do here. It makes me believe they just give the site a glance and form an opinion without actually reading it.

    • Trev says:
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      Re: Portland extension – I’d wager UofO is going to win that battle. I got my MBA at Oregon (born in Corvallis, always a Beaver fan) and this has been in progress the last 3-4 years. B-School in Eugene was close to worthless from a practical experience standpoint. Need to be close to industry for externships, etc. This was something we lobbied for as Students and was in the works when I left.

    • angry angry says:
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      I wrote Bob D about this this morning…waiting to hear back. I guess he is too busy negotiating his lifetime contract.

      • JackBeav says:
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        I think you’re concentrating too much on the physical presence of OSU in the Portland Metro area. The reality is that OSU does have some physical properties devoted to extension, but they decided to go tech instead of purchasing and maintaining a whole physical campus. I think it’s the right choice given the nature of today’s technology, but I think also that they don’t do enough to market it. E-learning needs to be more vocal than bus panels declaring its existence. It needs to get out there and recruit as well.

        The two things holding it back are cost and recruitment. If I were looking to be a virtual student, I would expect the cost to be lesser than my physical experience on the main campus. But that’s not the reality. Maybe OSU feels they would lose on-campus enrollment to e-learning if that were the case. But I think it would enhance enrollment. I think the serious enrollees for either form of learning don’t overlap as much as they think. And I think the e-learners would act as community college transfers do more often then not in that they would want to complete their degree in the physical setting after they spend their requisite studies online. It would also provide the associates degree transfers an option to continue their studies on a part-time basis rather than barrelling into two or three solid years of study at Corvallis–or, more often than naught, continuing their studies at any of the other OUS schools.

        Especially in this economy, many alums of OSU may also be looking for a retraining method which is not available. Many graduates find that they are out of a job once leaving school, and their real world experiences show them what may be important to employers going forward. I think a large target for e-learning should also be post-bac students looking to add minors or additional majors, or a BS instead of a BA to their degrees. There should also be business and leadership classes available to the population as a whole. Like “math for dummies” there should be a “business for nerds” class out there so science majors who missed out on the politics of the real world during college can supplement their knowledge.

        In the end, they need the correct price point and proper recruitment beyond the Portland Metro model for this to succeed. I think they should take a cue from online universities like Phoenix or Kaplan. They should introduce e-learning to the Oregon population and even to out of state targets as a way to introduce students to OSU. This kind of marketing has obvious direct value to the university in tuition and fees gained, but there are several ancillary revenues to be gained by such a venture as well. Just think if Phoenix University had an athletic department to which their students could devote their fandom. And merchandising isn’t the only benefit. Word of mouth would rule the day. If Joe Blow is an OSU alum in some Eastern state, and Joe Jr. or Josephina want to attend school and are seriously thinking about OSU. Wouldn’t it be nice for them to have staying where they are while going to school as an option? Wouldn’t more kids get their feet wet during prereq courses and want the more physical experience at Corvallis? With a solid price point (in-state prices for out of state e-learning students) for what is tantamount to an associate’s degree, I would offer the successful e-learners continued education for their upper class years in Corvallis at in-state prices.

        They are limited for online degrees at the moment, and I wouldn’t do much to change that. But I would expand the target for e-learners by offering paths to the real school experience. And I would offer it to the proven learners at the in-state price.

        Obviously, it would take coordination and cooperation with many higher learning institutions in order to verify testing. Maybe that could be a benefit as well. After all, the best resources available are our relationships and communications with peers. But the immense coordination necessary would require something fairly uniform as expansion took place. So I would propose a partnership with the already existing competition. The obvious model to follow is the one already mentioned–Phoenix. A partnership with them to use their already physical properties for tests and teaching would be unprecedented. And we could supply them with personnel best suited for instruction and administration by making e-instruction and e-administration two additional parts to our education department.

        I’m at the point where I’m just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks, but I think the point should be that we need to jump into the e-learning with both feet and lead the way as a four year institution. The subterfuge marketing of me seeing the grimy back panel of a bus extolling the virtue and opportunity of OSU e-learning while I’m in my car and waiting for said bus to unload/load and finally pull back out into traffic just doesn’t cut it.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    My two cents on the subject:

    I think the main reason that people have the perception that they do about you and this site is that they see a comment on oregon live that resembles – Kieth Pankey shouldn’t be allowed on the field at Reser to paint the archaic cartoon Beaver (or something similar). On this site you back that/those points up with significantly more meat. But in a two line post and then a plug for your blog – it is easy for many to just write you off as a Beaver basher that is looking for self promotion. You must remember that perception is reality to those people. So regardless of the point that it isn’t your intention or purpose for the site – some people will always think that it is.

    You also need to remember that some fans use college sports as an escape from their lives. It is a release for them and if you ask them to take off the “orange colored glasses” it loses the appeal as no longer being stress free.

    I for one enjoy this blog. There are a bunch of fans on here that care, and are very informed. That is not to say that I agree with everything on here. I do think sometimes the banter borders on cynical rather than critical, but it is always respectful to each other and I do think that the main purpose is to see OSU Athletics get better.

    • ean says:
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      I agree I have seen some of “blogbeavs” post on O-live that come across as just bashing something and are not constructive at all. Also I know for a while I thought “criticalbeav” was Angry posting since he pimps the angrybeavs.com blog and he/she is a bit of an extremist.

      Also I have said in the past that you get too personally with your criticism. Pankey was not good but the real gripe was Riley not playing Cam Collins way more than Pankey. Also it seems like you like to harp on one guy when more should share the blame. Gabe Miller and Brandon Hardin could have been torn apart just as easily. Also I don’t get the Joe Burton gripe, not that I don’t get tired of Big Joe at times but Brandt is a big who’s best attribute is his jump shot yet he shoots 37% from the floor and 55% from the line. I don’t know… maybe Chris Brown should be given a shot but it is different than the Pankey situation where everyone could see that the back-up clearly had more game.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        If I had a complaint about any of the views expressed on this site it would be the personal nature of player bashing; the players are kids put in position by their coaches. The coaches are highly paid and they make the decisions…they are free game, all day every day until they show improvement.

        That said, I do get the frustrational sentiment. (BTW is frustrational a word? ah, fuck it)

        I like the format and opinions here, but I generally like people that think and can form a sentence more complex than Go Beavs. I own a small retail in Corvallis and the support for the local teams here is amazing, but I realize now I should have invested in orange tinted sunglasses instead.

        As to ‘shilling’ the site on the comment sections of online articles, that was how I found angrybeavs, so for that I am grateful.

        • angry angry says:
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          Players are not children or kids, though. They are all legal adults, grown men. They are being indirectly paid; they get perks on campus; they get their names and faces on TV; and they get a shot at the NFL. I am not going to accept that these are hapless, innocent children and I’m the neighborhood bully. That’s just not accurate. The moment you put on a uniform and decide to play ball, you are fair game. That goes for anyone. If I were 18 and writing this blog, would it remove me from scrutiny? When you were at OSU, did your professors give you A’s and never leave criticism on your papers? Did they say, “You’re only 18, so you get an A and this paper is great because it looks like you tried real hard.”

          No.

          You enrolled in college; you either do the work to satisfaction or you get called out and graded appropriately. This is life. I’m sorry if you find it offensive that I “bash” (i.e. grade) players.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            Grading the players performances is reasonable. But being happy a player gets injured (see Pankey) is a little high on the extreme scale.

            True the players are adults, barely. And we’re not talking off field issues, for the most part we’re discussing they’re talent or lack there of. That’s fine but really who puts them on the field/court?

            And while platers are paid, indirectly, it’s not the same as an NFL/NBA player or more importantly coaching staffs where they should be under scrutiny for everything.

            All that said, the coaches are the ones putting players in bad situations..

            That’s all I’m saying

          • angry angry says:
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            I wasn’t happy he was injured. I was happy he was off the field. I am somewhat like a machine in that regard. I don’t care why the player is off the field, so long as he if off of it. If he’s got a broken finger nail, doesn’t want to play, is bored, needs to take a leak, or has a torn acl–they’re all the same to me. I just want bad players off the field, and I want the best guys out there. When I cheer that Pankey is out of a game or can’t play in a game because he is hurt, it’s not cheering on the injury itself; it’s cheering on the fact that the better player will see the field. I agree 100% the coaches should be putting the better players on the field to begin with, but when they don’t, we fans are reduced to being jerks and having to be glad when a guy leaves because of injury. It pisses me off that Riley puts me/us in that situation. I don’t celebrate the injury, or at least I don’t mean to. Maybe I get carried away and do…but I don’t think so? Bottom line is that I do enjoy seeing a better player like Collins at LB no matter how or why it happened. Is that wrong?

    • angry angry says:
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      Hm, maybe.

  • michaelm says:
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    I initially thought the blog was being negative for the sake of negativity, a place for a venting Beaver fan to go for affirmation after a rough game. Once I actually started reading regularly though, I found the blog itself, and the majority of the commenters very entertaining and knowledgeable. Reading an average post here and the subsequent comments is far more informative than anything on Pure Orange in my opinion. I don’t belong to Rivals so I can’t speak to that.
    For me, this is the go-to site for Beaver info and discussion, and it’s not even close. I really believe most intelligent, realistic Beaver fans that took the time to read the blog regularly would agree.

  • Beavker Beavker says:
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    To make a parallel, but probably useless point…as most of my posts are…and I’m not trying to start a political debate, but it’s akin to being a more ‘Liberal’ Democrat and a ‘Blue Dog’. People posting here would be the more Liberal Democrat, because they love their party, and love it enought to go after Obama when he does something that is against what they see as a party ideal. The other sites are Blue Dogs, and aren’t helping their party by never qestioning what Obama is doing, and simply waving the Donkey Flag even if their ideals are saling down a river of shite…

    No offense to my GOP friends on this site…it was just an anology. I’ve been on some Left Leaning political blogs, asking that Obama try to be more true to his roots, and been blasted by fellow Democrats. You could make the comparison with the Beavers, or Mike Riley.

    I don’t hate them! I am disappointed in their failure to win. OSU is not my child, who I will support whether he wins or loses. Unlike my child, who may end up short and lacking in athletic prowess, OSU can recruit kids that have these qualities. Tax Payer dollars go to help bring those kids in. I could spend and spend on Camps, and my kid probably ain’t gonna be playing pro anything.

    Viva angrybeavs.com!

    • ean says:
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      I think Obama has realized if he doesn’t compromise some he is not going to get any legislation passed. Not sure how that applies to your OSU athletics analogy though.

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        I think it relates in that SOME of the criticisms here don’t give a nod to compromise or reality.

        For example:

        Multiple posts about what a crime it was that Ryan Allen wasn’t the starting punter and left the program. It was shown as evidence of Mike Riley’s “egotistical stubbornness” and that “the program is worse off today.”

        That is, in a word: absurd. True, Hekker is not a good punter. Last year, Ryan Allen punted for Louisiana Tech and had a lower yards per punt and lower net yards. Make all the excuses you want about Ryan Allen being a year younger, etc…Hekker was SLIGHTLY better than Allen this season. Again…they both sucked. But Hekker sucked slightly less.

        But then we have to hear this? “Fans need to get their heads out of their asses and demand answers [as to why Ryan Allen wasn’t the starting punter.]” Give me a break. That kind of rhetoric is what people react to negatively. At absolute most, it was a decision where you could say to yourself..”Well, I would have gone with the other guy.” Get our heads out of our asses? Really?

        Then, there’s stuff like this. “…it’s hard to be excited about 2011 with Ryan “Dirk Diggler” Katz at the helm. His football IQ is low, probably in the 30 or 40s.”

        Hey…did you happen to see our offensive line last year Buddy? You think maybe that had anything to do with Katz’ performance? Or maybe it was Langsdorf’s play calling? Both things that have been repeatedly (and rightly) criticized during the past season…no, now it’s Ryan Katz’ fault. Despite a 126 QB rating. (PS – calling an OS player ‘Dirk Diggler’ is fucking idiotic and one of the things I strongly dislike about this blog.)

        Anyway, that’s my rant…but I think people read and hate stuff like that, a silly/over the top criticism that should not have warranted multiple posts, but got them or an ill conceived bashing that doesn’t take into account the reasons why something may be the case.

        I like this blog. It makes me think. It’s also completely delusional at times.

        • angry angry says:
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          Apples and oranges with Hekker and Allen. Hekker was a starter for three years, Allen was in his first. Compare Hekker’s junior (this past year) vs Allen’s junior season next year and then form a conclusion.

          As far as QB rating, it’s one of the more ridiculous stats in football. It’s like the “game winning RBI” in baseball. W/L is all the matters for a QB. If you want another stat that is important, completion percentage is up there. Calling him Dirk Diggler is pretty funny. It’s better than Buker calling him “Nolan” Ryan Katz, glorifying the fact that he can’t control his arm. That just feeds into the mystique and the idea that tangibles make a player great. Okay, he throws fast, we get it. If it’s not controlled, however, it means nothing. Katz deserves criticism–he played a full season, and by the end of it he still did not learn how to check down or throw to the open man (e.g. the Washington game, he had a WR wide open in the right corner, I believe Aaron Nichols…but he didn’t even look, just threw it 90mph to Joe H who was covered). His job is to find the open man. That’s a low IQ play. If you dislike the comment, come back at me with a reason and proof it’s high IQ. The results say it isn’t. The results say that throwing a bomb every other play instead of checking down is also low IQ football. Landsdorf is to blame as well, and we get on his case, but I’m sure he’s got a check down on each play.

          I think Katz can make strides this coming season, but I am not going to hop on the bandwagon until I hear if he’s made corrections in the spring game. We all know the light turns on for QBs the third year in Riley’s system, so he could be great, but until he is he isn’t. Does he have tons of potential? Yes.

        • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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          But see, if it were not for “idiotic” comments made here it would not lead to some insightful good dialog.

          So thank you idiots!

      • Beavker Beavker says:
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        That’s my point. My expectations are not going to meet eye to eye with everything that is done. Riley’s spineless style doesn’t meet my expectations for willing his teams to victory. The lattitude given to the Pankey’s etc…but I shouldn’t be crucified for my opinion as a Beavers fan for wanting specific things out of my coach and team. Robinson should be fired because he’s ripped his team publicly for lazy efforts. Better rip Robinson a new ass for bad mouthing the Beaver basketball team, because these are exactly the things some of us say on this blog. Their lazy. Burton is a turd (at this time). I’d say in that example, I do agree with Robinson’s philosophy.

        I’m just saying people can’t be called shitty fans for wanting more from their team, and pointing out their deficiencies, and supplying their opinion as to the cause or the fix. I think the blog would be boring if all you could say was, “Good Try Beavs, go get them next time”. Boring indeed.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      I have a son that plays every sport, plays music and achieves academically. While he is more gifted at some things than others, my only expectation for him is that he be the best he can be, in academics, music, sports or any other endeavor.

      The thing I am most proud of is that he’s always pushing himself to be better. That comes from him. In sports he gets frustrated that he isn’t as talented as some other kids, but he works harder than any of them and that give him some measure of success on the field. As a parent that effort is all I can ask for.

      As a fan of OSU, I too expect the players to give their best effort (see Beavers football vs WSU 2010, ack) they are paid via scholarship for that effort.The reality on the skill level however is they may have talent limitations. So wins and losses, and flailing arm tackles, come back to the coaches. THEY have to put the players in the best position to win. Whether that is coaching, scheme, personnel packages, or recruiting. That is how their success is measured. They are paid to make decisions, good decisions.

      • angry angry says:
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        I agree with the last paragraph 100%. The coaches should not have had guys like Pankey or #28 on the field as long as they did. That is a disservice to the other 9 serviceable players who are busting their asses, and it’s also a disservice to fans who pay money and want wins.

        I think all of our comments were of this nature, though: “Why the hell is Pankey in the game??” This is frustration with Riley. After he remains in the game, we tend to turn on the player and just flat out say he sucks. This is fan frustration. I think all fans know initially that the coach is responsible, and that’s where the attacks are aimed. When the coach doesn’t make change, it trickles down to the player. Especially when the player is not giving maximum effort (how many times did we see Pankey flat out slacking off and missing potential plays? Or making a play ten yards down field that could have been made near the line of scrimmage. I can think of many). The players we name are both victims of the coaches playing them and victims of their effort.

        Since you have a child your perception is more forgiving and you see the good in his competition. This is a bias, however. It’s understandable, but a bias nonetheless. You might be proud that he is simply trying to get better, but society (i.e. people unrelated to you or your child) is less forgiving. Society will look at the bottom line results and compare your child against his peers. This hurts for you as the parent, but a faceless society is indifferent to that pain.

        • sparkyd73 says:
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          Angry, I think the knocks on this website and thus by proxy you is that of branding and perception. One of the stated goals of this site is that the rest of Beaver Nation or at least enough to make a difference will start being more critical of the coaching staff and administration. The problem is that the perception is that this is a fringe group of disgruntled fans. I must admit that was my first impression, but after spending more time reading I reallized that was not the point of this blog.

          I think that it is a bit ironic that a site that often talks about the poor job that OSU does in branding and marketing is struggling with this problem itself. In order to appeal to more fans you may need to change the way you get your message across. I’m not saying that you need to change the message, just the delivery.

          This is a great topic for discussion. You get to practice what you preach. You can choose to take the objective criticism that you’ve received on here and maybe reach a much larger audience. Or you can choose to continue with the current style and maybe slowly acquire new people that make it through the sometimes negative perceptions.

          Either way, I appreciate what you are doing and I will continue to read and participate on this blog. I certainly hope others find there way in as well.

        • angry angry says:
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          Good post.

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Then we do agree.

    And btw, my perception of my kid is he’s 11 and a knucklehead, thankfully compared to his peers he’s slightly less so. If he were offered a D-1 scholarship today, I’d take it gladly.

    But if he plays for a coach that continually puts him in a position to fail, I’d certainly be questioning that coach.

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    Charlie Collins is the leading candidate to replace Reggie Davis:

    http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop

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      is that a good thing?

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      http://www.phenomfactory.com/aboutpf.html

      sounds like he has some LA connections… could be a decent recruiter?

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        “Collins returns to the UFL after spending last season with the California Redwoods as receivers / tight ends coach. He has tutored and mentored several All-Pro wide receivers, most notably Chad Johnson of the Cincinnati Bengals and the Carolina Panthers wideout Steve Smith, both of whom he coached in Junior College. Collins is also TJ Houshmanzadeh’s personal off-season coach.

        The founder of Phenom Factory in Los Angeles, a receiver‘s camp that specializes in release and separation techniques, receivers around the country frequently visit to enhance their skill level. Collins was hired by the Cincinnati Bengals to help upgrade the team’s receiving core.

        Collins is a former wide receiver with the Edmonton Eskimos of the CFL and an All-American at Cal State Northridge.”

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Sounds like good news to me, if Collins is willing to take on a new job in light of the demands of the company he has been building.

      Best quote in the link, “We are told that Riley is considering shifting a couple of coaches to bring in Collins”

  • kuriosfinancial says:
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    Angry

    New poster to your site here, although I have been an ardent reader for quite some time. Graduated from OSU 1976 and endured all of the bad years more than most. Let me say that your blog and the perspective on the OSU athletics you bring is the most honest, direct and accurate read on the state of OSU programs I have found.

    Keep up the great work, and I for one, greatly appreciate the perspective you bring to the discussion of OSU athletics, and particularly football. Just can’t get to interested in baseball despite their success, and basketball, well, I was there in the Ralph Miller years.

    Thanks again.

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    Hey Angry,

    First time commenting here too. I’ve been reading your blog for a while now, and wanted to say keep up the good work. It’s great to see someone who is willing to challenge the wide-spread acceptance of mediocrity in Beaver Athletics.

    It is sad that there are so many insecure Beaver fans out there who are soft and fear criticism…

  • BeaverBeliever20 says:
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    Check out this blog you guys. This feels like all of us wrote how we feel about the team
    http://georgedohrmann.com/blog

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      Wow, thanks for that link. Great article without any real school bias. I think his analysis is spot on. Selfishness is absolutely a cancer that has taken over. There needs to be a complete shake-up of this team to change their mentality. Interesting perspective on Calvin, even from highschool.

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        he has some great insights. Roberto is actually one of the few guys on the team that looks to get teammates involved (the other one being a turnover machine). I would like to see Roberto initiate more offense. Cunningham is a better finisher than set up guy. That is a spot on post… not sure that I can find one thing I disagree with.

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      Hmmm…

      Play man to man… sit the seniors… give youth a chance…

      Where have I heard these sentiments before?

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      What an amazing article. The writing style flows right along and I don’t think I sense that just because I am interested in the material. I took the time to read about Mr. Dohrmann and followed up with the Roberto Nelson material. WHY – and GD isn’t the first person to point out the error in using the 1-3-1 and the other explicit reasons he thinks the team is having such a miserable year, can’t Craig Robinson see that?

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        I am not so sure that Coach Rob isn’t seeing it so much as he doesn’t know how to stop it. Not sure if an X and O assistant with a different offensive and defensive philosophy is in the cards but it should be a serious option (ironic side note: Jay John would be a great assistant for CR… their respective skill sets could potentially be very complimentary). This is gong to be a big off season and big season next year for CR.

    • angry angry says:
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      For the most part that article is what we’ve been saying.

      Point #2 is way off base. The Beavers do not play the Princeton offense and they do run (too much)…the problem is they’re so sloppy with the ball when doing it that it leads to turnovers, or they’re out of control once they get to the rim and miss the layup.

      They also play various forms of the zone, and even man-to-man. The article is okay. The best point he made was how much of the time the offense hangs out on the perimeter until someone decides to hoist up a contested shot. It’s truly amazing how few uncontested shots the Beavs create. Nobody is ever wide open.

      One other thing I’ve noticed: The Beavs have yet to win an opening tip this year.

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        Re: yeah, the opening tip…that is bizarre. They have literally never won a tip in any game I have watched this year. I thought the article was good, it is concerning that Roberto is unhappy. I don’t agree with the run and run because they can’t shoot or take care of the ball. I would like Buker and Kirkpatrick to read this article if they think the CR is an excellent coach.

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        they still run a perimeter oriented offense. You could call it a quasi-Princeton offense. It is very similar.

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      I would recommend that guy’s book, Play Their Hearts Out, as well. It’s pretty good.

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    Ignore the haters angry. Don’t even engage; don’t let them drag you into their mess. Just keep rolling along. Supporters will stay, haters will move on.

  • tommiet says:
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    Guess I need to jump in for a first post too. Like the financial guy, I was at OSU during the horrible football years and great Ralph Miller years. (class of 78) I’ve never posted that I can recall, but read this blog regularly, I’ve referred it to family members as well. I like the insight, I enjoy the blog. I like reading the intelligent and well thought out posts that appear. A good example of people who post here and know what they are talking about was LOI day. That was an all day awesome read, and Angrybeavs is where I got all my signing info.

    To be honest, and it probably sounds old fashioned and square, but I could do without the profanity, F bombs and such, but I get it. I suspect most of the readers here are much younger than me and it just comes with the territory. Bottom line? Keep up the good work young Angry.

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      I’m not that young…somewhere in between the students and the old guard.
      If I drop an F bomb it’s rare, and that’s the Italian temper coming out. I try to repress it…for the most part I’ve learned to, but like George Constanza said, “Serenity now, insanity later.”

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        He’s probably talking about Beavocalypse. I tolerate his rants because he seems based in some sense of reality. But the language turns me off, and I rarely respond because I feel it’s borne of undisciplined frustration. As a result, I can’t tell what reality he’s speaking to.

    • BeaverBeliever20 says:
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      I honestly don’t think profanity has anything to do with age. I’m probably one the younger ones who comment on here and rarely use profanity. Every now and then I do but I’ve worked on limiting it as much as possible.

  • Alex says:
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    Buker kind of screwed up the plug for the site anyway…no such thing as angrybeavers.com !

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    Angry, looks like links to your blog postings are back up and running on Beaver Sports Now. A little behind as this one is not showing, but definitely back in play.

  • OS_Beaver says:
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    Renewed season tickets today! Hope to see everyone there for the Pac-12 inaugral year! I believe we will be almost entirely sold out starting in 2012 so I think this is a great chance to get season tickets for the longer haul while you still can and until more are available when Reser Phase 3 finally is finished!

  • OS_Beaver says:
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    Post test.

  • OS_Beaver says:
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    Hello world

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    Renewed season tickets for football today!!

  • OS_Beaver says:
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    Renewed Season Tickets for Football today! GO BEAVS!! Win the the Pac-12 North!!

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    Pure-orange has article on Reser Phase 3 but says no roof would be tolerable for new west side atleast for awhile. I GREATLY DISAGREE!! Don’t cheapen the product. We want a mirrored look with covered central seating on both sides. One cool thing about it when all done is that the orange rowed seats at the front of the 2nd deck will kinda form the classic orange “Block O” around the field and stadium when Phase 3 is complete. It will be a prfect “Block O” if 30-40 years from now they remove the VFC to completely finish the double-deck bowl and go even beyond what should be a heck of a horseshoe when Phase 3 finishes!

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    I hope we get Collins at WR Coach, he will be a great asset to recruiting the California area’s and I hate to say but he is black. This subject has been brought up before but black kids are going to feel comfortable with him and the guys he has worked with well help as well!

  • MonkeyLuven MonkeyLuven says:
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    I personally feel as though this specific post is a turning point for the site. A crest over the turbulent peaks if you will. Not that the rest of the journey wont be arduous and incredible, but if the fans can make this transition, hopefully the teams and university can as well.

    Keep up the good fight Angry.

  • CastorNation says:
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    My first impression with the site was, why all the anger. But in following along, I have found it to be more a group of friends at the bar talking about the game or team. After this last season I find that where I originally thought the site should be renamed “Concerned People of Beaver Nation”, I am understanding Anger better. I have mostly been a Beaver fan because of their fight. They have had a don’t give up attitude. ( Not talking about early season the past several years ). This past year seemed like a lot of entitlement attitude on the field. The coaches and the AD sitting on a lifetime gig, the starters not feeling any pressure from competition. It would be easy to switch to the winners down south, but that isn’t possible. I was impressed with Kelley and his balls to the wall approach. The USC game Riley coached with fire, and the team was on fire, then Riley goes to his normal calm self ( really good attributes for a person avoiding stress, but not so good for someone who is supposed to be motivating his team ). And no matter what he thinks, he needs to be confident in his actions and comments. Anyway, most of the posters on Olive are in middle school and the staff writers push rivalry and division without any constructive criticism. Keep angry, keep concerned, and keep the heat on the coaches and players that think they can represent Beaver nation with a half ass effort.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    Oregon Live comments can be unreadable, excluding some of the people here who post there. The juvenile bashing of each other’s team makes me cringe (I am fine with well-written, humourous bashing). I find it interesting that very few Duck flamers come in here unlike other sites. I guess they get bored by posters who show respect and can debate each other with some thought behind it.

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