15.Apr.2013 Let’s Discuss the Boston Marathon Bombing…

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…because Eric Moreland staying for his junior year isn't news to me.

This bombing is more interesting.

I was telling my lady Beav earlier today that I sense something weird going on in my country (have for years, but it's been going haywire past few days and feels more imminent), and my sixth sense isn't usually wrong. Stock up on peanut butter, rice, water, etc, folks. Consider this a public service announcement; now back to your regularly scheduled programming (so, that Eric Moreland….)

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  • 3GBeavs says:
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    PSA acknowledged. Funny I’ve been having the same feelings for about the last 6 months. Something isn’t right. Not a conspiracy theorist… things just don’t feel right.

    • angry angry says:
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      I’m neither a conspiracy theorist nor a …non conspiracy theorist (?). If something doesn’t seem right it’s probably not. e.g. 9/11 still does not add up, and in fact gets weirder as time goes by.

      What makes these things conspiracy is the lack of definitive proof, just circumstantial evidence. Then people who acknowledge something doesn’t add up get slabbed with that pejorative label, “conspiracy theorist”, and they’re marginalized. Then they have to defend themselves, like you just did, and preempt their opinions with “I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but…”

      Just saying.

      Only six months? Something’s been off since Bush II’s first term and that “Patriot Act”. I feel like that’s where it all went downhill. The last time I had this strong a sense we had the Japanese Tsunami followed by the U.S. credit downgrade (summer of 2011, I believe). Something’s in the offing!

      • 3GBeavs says:
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        Good points about marginalization.

        Let me clarify, 6 months of really heightened concern, noticing something off back to summer of 2007….still can’t tell what it is, other than a feeling.

        My concern in situations like in Boston, it gets hijacked by the Right or the Left for their own agenda and the truth is left behind.

        • angry angry says:
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          Good points about marginalization.

          I really dislike that marginalization, because it’s a censorship technique. Those people become afraid to step up and question authority out of fear of being labeled a kook.

          • 3GBeavs says:
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            Agreed. You made me stop and think about it a little more, how I preempted my statement. And I usually keep my opinions to myself.

            One of the reasons I enjoy this site is the conversations (more of a reader than a commenter) but also the challenge to think about things from a different view…even OSU athletics.

            I try to fall into the Thomas Paine camp of “offering nothing more than simple facts, plain arguments, and common sense”

          • Jack says:
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            You have to be willing to go the full step if you believe you’re anything like Paine though.

            There is no God, god or gawd. There is only life and what is right, and everything selling otherwise is a conspiracy.

            But consider…
            Conspiracy: n.
            Agreement between two or more persons to commit an unlawful act or to accomplish a lawful end by unlawful means.

            There’s a lot of play in that verbiage. One man’s patriot is another man’s gun running drug dealer who negotiates with terrorists then grows up to have his own TV show and be called a patriot by fucking stupid people.

      • Grape says:
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        It’s not a conspiracy if it’s true. 😉

        • angry angry says:
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          Is that like George Constanza’s “It’s not a lie, if you believe it.” ? lol

        • Jack says:
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          It’s not a conspiracy if it’s lawful.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            I think conspiracy has been broadened to include any secret planning.

            So…a secret plan is a conspiracy. If the secret is found out, and the trutth of it becomes known, it was still a conspiracy. And there is no reason to scoff at any conspiracy theory, unless you are a sheep and blithly think you are always told the truth.

          • Jack says:
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            I think you’re correct that some people use it out of context and incorrectly. But that doesn’t make it what it isn’t. There are many legal actions pols take part in which are surreptitious but not conspiracy. Their acolytes defend them by diminishing the truth and contextualizing the word conspiracy to the point it becomes passe.

      • issaquahbeav says:
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        Dolt Lylera, is that you?

      • Connor says:
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        What about 9/11 doesn’t add up?

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Google it….lots of analysis. Lots of indications there was more to it than two planes hitting.

          • hellobeavers says:
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            There are a lot of conspiracy theorists on the internet that can be fairly persuasive when it comes to 9/11, but each and every one of their pieces of “evidence” could likely be counter-argued.

            I watched a documentary about it once where they said none of the parts from any of the planes were found, which indicated that something else must have caused an additional explosion to disentegrate the plane because jet fuel burns at a lower temperature than that required to disentegrate the material the plane is made out of. Seems reasonable. Until you learn that they found plenty of pieces to the plane, including an entire engine in the middle of the street about 3 blocks from where the tower stood.

            The main thing that keeps me from being a conspiracy theorists is that those in charge – politicians – are normal people. When you meet them in person, the first thing you realize is that this person is no more capable than you are.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            One of the arguments is about the collapse of the buildings. There seems to be evidence of additional explosives placed on the structure bearing parts. I am not saying any of this is real, but if I were the terrorist, planning such a potentially spectacular act, I would want to make sure it worked. Will planes crashing into a tall building make it collapse? I would send in agents to plant explosives to make sure that happened.

            And politicians are not who would be in charge of planning such things. Rather it would be NSA, CIA, and such agencies, which are very capable, and in fact plan such things for real, in enemy countries. Again, not saying terrorist were not the ones who did it.

            The essence of such things as the Kennedy assination or the Trade Center bldg collapse, is that we will never know for sure one way or the other. The good sheep will accept what the gov says. But who knows. Govs are capable of almost anything.

          • Black Sheep says:
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            Have fun with this. This guy makes the plane crashes look like a live special effects show that was carefully orchestrated.

        • angry angry says:
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          I haven’t read much about it lately, but Steven Jones had some good scientific material.

    • hhh says:
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      get a room

  • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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    I wonder if what you’re feeling is similar to what the Germans felt leading up to WWII. like when the Nazis started slowly taking over. *not saying the US is like that*, but I wonder if it’s the same kind of feeling?

  • OSU4Life says:
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    Such a tragic event, I hope we will find who is reponsible for this horrible act and bring them to justice. Angry, you might be onto something, but I really do hope it’s not what most of us all fear. It is wise to be prepared, be it food storage, ammo, firearms, survival gear, and/or an emergency action plan. I wonder how this will effect the stock market and gas prices in the coming days? Are we all witnessing the words of Saul D. Allinsky? Or, are we still viewed as the great Satan in the eyes of allah? Time will tell. Either way, it is tragic and horrible event none the less. My prayers go out to all of the victims and their families. God be with them.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    new technologies, immediate gratification…

    more and more disenfranchised (whether mentally, politically, ???)

    way too easy for the fucked up, to fuck up innocents as they go out in their blaze of a single news cycle (aka 15 minutes)

    My naiveté won’t allow me to comprehend how many citizens really do have conspiracy theories–I use tin foil to wrap food, not gather intelligence from the Third Stone from the Sun…

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      The really fucked up are those who ridicule conspiracy. Because it is the bread and butter of governments. Anyone who thinks the gov, any gov, is always telling them the truth, is ….well, a fool. But thats how society works. The masses are sheep, and believe what they are told….and dutifully ridicule “conspiricies” (the gov lying to you). Society wouldnt function if everyone thought for themselves. We need you sheep.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Funny, my brother was saying same thing two weeks ago , and linking concerns to long-term economic prospects…”prepare to live off big game, fish, “i.e. “stock up on peanut butter”
    ,

  • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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    wonder what kind of “additional security” measures they have in mind
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-chicago-public-events-safety-20130416,0,3651740.story

  • angry angry says:
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    So…how about that Eric Moreland?

    • mckalk says:
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      Are you telling me that J-Flight was not able to sell Eric on a career with the Frisco Legends?

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Meh, Beaver basketball double meh.

      Though the twitter pic and comment was pretty good.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    The confounding part of the bombing to me is that it was 2 hours too late for max carnage, most of the runners had finished and left the area, all that were left were the back markers. The two blasts separated by time and distance makes sense for a terror attack.

    • Joe Avezzano says:
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      Not quite right…a theory espoused by one “expert” was that after the top runners had finished the remaining field consisted of slow “jes’ folks” (my expression) for whom large numbers of friends and family would be near the finish line, and a bomber intent on max damage would conceivably time the explosions in the manner which occurred.

  • mckalk says:
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    Maybe I’m fatalistic (if that’s even the right word). I just think that people have been doing shitty things to one another over a huge span of time and history for a variety of reasons and that’s never going to change. Also, it will never be controlled completely by a state or a government.

    I just try to be a nice as I can to other people, but I keep my head up scanning the horizon so to speak because there are bat shit crazies out there who I would just as soon avoid if I can.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      People tend to think of humanity as they see themselves. They are good people, and so cant fathom why bad folks do what they do. What you need to look at is humanity as a whole….the whole Bell curve. Then you realize what we really are. And it aint pretty.

      We are a species that cant control its population, is destroying its habitat, is driven by accumulation and feelings of power, and makes war on itself. Thats Homo sapiens as a whole.

      The US was once looked at as the most benevolent superpower ever …..then we started making war on lesser nations….like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan….. So we are just falling into the same old mold.

      So…..the only solution will be evolution….(hey, that rhymes). Yes, we need to evolve into something better….something without some or all of those faults. So we need something to get evolution going (it seems to work in fits and starts), some environmental huge stress. Like Global warming…a good nuke war…..asteroid hit……supervolcano…..something.

  • OSU4Life says:
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    “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.” -Abraham Lincoln

    Many of our current lawmakers and POTUS believe that the end justifies the means. I’m not fooled, after reading many of the other comments on this blog, you are not fooled either.

    • helmsley says:
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      That was written in another era and I’m not sure it was true even then. Anyway, you might not be fooled but what is within your power to change what you know?

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Most platitudes are not actually true. And that one certainly isnt. Look at how many folks ridicule any conspiracy theory. Yet the truth is, the gov lies all the time.

      The majority of people are sheep, and indeed are fooled (led by the nose) all the time. Otherwise the herd would fall apart and society disintegrate. The sheep were given that instinct (to do what leaders tell them) as a survival function. The mass has better survival chance. So it aint going away. Lincoln was wrong.

  • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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    did anyone hear Obama’s statement to the press today? it was weird. very businesslike, like he was reading meeting minutes.

    • angry angry says:
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      Ah, gladiator sports to distract the masses. How I missed thee.
      Seriously, though, the longer this plays out the less the punishment.

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    I don’t even really care anymore. Clean house a bit to temporarily re-level the playing field and move on. Whatever the sanction I won’t forget the feeling I had after those loses, no moral victory will make up for a couple of those curb stompings.

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t even really care anymore.

      Isn’t that the idea in taking forever to level sanctions? If people don’t care, they get away with light punishment. Pretty sure that’s the idea. No reason this should take two years.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        Didnt we once say that a quick investigation means not much found to be wrong, and they get off easy…..so with it taking a long time, it meant lots wrong, and serious penalties???

        I am sure I read something like that here….?

        • angry angry says:
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          I’m not sure if we actually said that, but if someone did, they were probably thinking of a Bell Curve. Hasn’t it been over 2 years now? We’re on the right side [of the curve] regarding penalties. Though, that is just opinion since nobody sends good info anymore. Damn sheep.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Where do you get this Bell curve of NCAA investigations, penalties vs time of investigation? I have never heard of any that were long term and soft on penalties. Give me an example, please (not saying you are wrong)

          • angry angry says:
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            I am thinking more in terms of human nature or other aspects of society. e.g. the longer a jury deliberates the greater the chance of not guilty.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Took a break from the news for awhile,but decided to catch up a little before going to bed. Now theyre saying the final stage of the race was dedicated to the Sandy Hook victims amd that the 26 miles were supposed to have a special connection to the 26 kids killed there? Too bizarre. Sounds like several of the Sandy Hook victims’ families were in the grandstands near the end of the race.

    Those people are never going to want to leave the house again, but I guess this could always happen at home so maybe nowhere is safe
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/04/house-and-debris-over-florida-sinkhole-that-swallowed-man-to-be-removed/

  • Jack says:
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    I don’t know why I keep watching the corporate news channels for new info on this. I switch from “it’s their fault” to “it’s their fault” to “somebody is at fault.”

    Of course… you wouldn’t like the battles I’ve seen on other sites.

    Apparently gun nuts think it’s not a false flag because guns weren’t involved and it didn’t target children.

    Didn’t Dante write about these people and their really really really fuckedup thoughts?

  • Jack says:
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    Did anyone else notice that Nikegon used terrorism at a sporting event to cover an info dump? These people are slicker than greased crap on a silicone surface.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Would be interesting to see the dates of all of the related press releases and data dumps over the past couple years. They really do have impeccable timing, opting to release data around the time of other big news. They also like late on a friday so sports radio doesn’t get to cover it for a couple days and it gets lost in the shuffle. Back in November 2011 they chose to release documents when the Jerry Sandusky news was hitting the national circuit.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    I think this is the first I’ve heard a (former)player comment on the UofO violations.

    James Dockery ?@JamesDockery31 5m

    Violations at UofO? ill take my two rings then from those two rose bowl qualifier games they beat us in lol

  • swampass beav says:
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    shit’s gittin’ ugly as a homemade sin down in the swamp man can’t find no ammo nowhere. 9mm? that shit ain’t nowhere. if joe sixpack’s brains were TNT there wouldn’t be enough of it to tip over a bottle cap. peoples here so lazy they wouldn’t work in a pie factory as a taster. we’ll get out alive if the good lord’s willin’ and the creek don’t rise. i’m out, from the swamp

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      So Angry is Swampass Beav? I got the email in my inbox saying Angry was the author of this post, but now it ways Swampass Beav is the poster. Are you creating “characters” for the blog?

      • angry angry says:
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        Possibly a glitch.
        or…pretty sure anyone can write ‘Angry’ as the author? log out and try it.
        do you really think i have the patience to create characters? I don’t even have the patience to create posts.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          If Angry and Jack were the same guy, I wouldn’t be totally surprised, lol
          Nothing like a little healthy argument with yourself on economics to get the day rolling.

          • angry angry says:
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            People have been saying that for years. it’s old, come up with new material.

          • Jack says:
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            People have been saying that for years. it’s old, come up with new material.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            People have been saying that for years. it’s old, come up with new material.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I’ve never heard this before.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Jack and Angry are domestic partners LOL

          • angry angry says:
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            We watch Colbert together each night. He says I’m susceptible to messages of fear; I say he’s a crazy ol’ bat and Colbert isn’t funny.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Snuggling up with a bowl of popcorn?

          • ObjCritic says:
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            Peanut butter…

          • Jack says:
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            Popcorn gets stuck in my teeth. Peanut butter and chocolate are good.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            You prefer jelly or syrup?

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            I once did that on a forum. Went on with two separate accts and the day was slow, so I started an argument with myself. I won, of course. Funny part was, others started getting emotionally involved.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you also employ the “stranger” technique in your free time. Am I right?

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            What is the “stranger” technique?

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Sit on your hand til it goes numb…

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Ah….jerking it with a numb hand.

            No, never tried it. Regale me with your experience with it.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    I think what you’re feeling is what Colbert calls ‘truthiness’, despite the facts, you feel it is true. Nothing different is going on that hasn’t already been happening. The world is a safer place and better place then it was in the past. Bubbles have been building and popping for how long now? People have been predicting the demise of the U.S. for over 200 years. I hope everyone is careful to not be played by messages of fear.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      I think I agree. Over the years, many books on the fall of society, fall of the economy, the fall of technology. Interesting reads, sometimes, but all predictions failed.

      Still, the near collapse we had under Bush Jr shows it can be done.

      My opinion is that it isnt something to worry about. If it happens, se la vie. And as to preparing for it, with stocks of peanut butter or guns and ammo, is there a real point to surviving in a post apocalypse? Wouldnt be much fun, compared to life now.

      The hullabaloo after 9/11 was predictable, but hasnt panned out. Isnt this bombing the first since 9/11?…., so either the gov is on top of it (I doubt it) or the terrorists of the world are not that plentiful, nor well situatied to do much. And I hate to say it, but our troops over there, in Iraq and Afgh, probably do refocus them onto their own back yard. Over there, they dont have to go far to attack “America”, as our soldiers and associates are right there. Not nice for the soldiers, but maybe good for us here at home.

      • angry angry says:
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        Over the years, many books on the fall of society, fall of the economy, the fall of technology. Interesting reads, sometimes, but all predictions failed.

        This society or societies in general?

        All societies collapse, so it’s a matter of when. Timing an event like that is impossible. It would probably be cool living in the aftermath. You could loot and show off your boy scout skills for the ladies.

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          One was about the fall of technology, and with it the societies dependent on such. I recall it was supposed to happen before 2000. The electric grid fails, banks cant do business, no electronic payments possible, etc etc and suddenly we are all feudal and such. The funny thing was, the third world countries didnt change much. They are already pretty much feudal already….lol

          Another predicted the fall of the US economy as power has been moving west for some time. World power centered in the eastern Mediterranean, then the west, then England, then in the US. Japan was picked to be next. But Japan screwed up …. maybe now its being fulfilled by China….we will see..

          Post apocalypse you would be living in fear every minute of every day, because everyone else is your enemy. Doesnt sound like fun.

  • Connor says:
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    Has anyone seen anything that would suggest the NCAA knows about Oregon players trading their memorabilia for marijuana?

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Ok, I read thru to get good ol Angry Jack insight into who was responsible for the bombing — and nada!

    What is the point of that bombing? What statement was made? I hate bystanders? I hate that side of the street? I hate slow runners (it was like 2 hr after the winning of the race)?

    • angry angry says:
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      I have no idea, but it looked amateur (and thus probably domestic) to me.
      I assume the point was to kill people and instill fear, like all terrorist attacks.

      • Jack says:
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        It was clandestine enough to make me think it wasn’t just deranged teens. But it still reeks of the same stuff the Atlanta bombing did.

        I guess that means the FBI is going to exhume Richard Jewell’s body and carry off his coffin in a bunch of garbage bags?

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          I don’t understand your Richard Jewell reference, but I usually don’t understand most of the shit you say. I know you’re joking, but why would the FBI exhume his body? I don’t get it.

          The guy was found to be innocent just to be clear.

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            You apparently don’t remember that he was guilty for a long time before he was innocent. The guy helped save lives in that bombing, and he was thanked by the FBI in the form of calling him a false hero and stealing all his personal property in a highly publicized TV event. They literally destroyed his life.

            So I wouldn’t put it past them to destroy his death as well.

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        I want a reason for it. Cant be invalids hating runners….as they let wheelchair folks in the race. But a lot of folks do hate New England, so maybe that’s it. New Yorkers, probably….

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        Kill people and instill fear…….well, failed miserably on both counts. Runners mostly kept heading for the finish line, and to date it killed three. Car wrecks sometimes kill more than that. The time and place guaranteed lots of EMT help right at hand….ambulances lined up already, lots of law enforcement. A really poorly planned concept. I agree with Jack — amateurs.

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      from what i’ve been reading they were made out of pressure cookers that exploded with random metal shrapnel pieces like ball bearings and nails. It seems somewhat amateur….could easily be someone homegrown in the US or a foreign attack (since those bombs are popular overseas apparently). the Saudi suspect they had in custody was a red herring

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        oh and I think that race draws a ton of crowds every year so it doesn’t surprise me that it could have been a target. the motive was probably to kill as many people as possible with shitty bombs

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Angry – when college football completes its swirling journey down the toilet, you may have to start a political blog….

    • angry angry says:
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      I actually already started one, just haven’t made it public because I don’t have a name. I have posts, though.

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    I just ordered and plan to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I find it strange that was written over 50 years ago as a fiction novel and and from what I’ve seen seems to be pretty close to spot on

    The book explores a dystopian United States where many of society’s most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and disappear, shutting down their vital industries. The disappearances evoke the imagery of what would happen if the mythological Atlas refused to continue to hold up the world.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

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      okay officer Barbrady

    • Jack says:
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      Ah yes… everything and everyone sucks… except for a couple sociopathic ubermensch. And they will triumph in the end over the drool I left on page 947 when I fell asleep to this horribly poorly written book with no real point other than sociopaths and psychopaths should rule the dark dreary pathetic sucking world where everyone is so lazy they just turned into slugs who threw away every drop of humanity and every impulse ever evolved in the history of man… just because.

      Let me know how you think it turned out… not that you won’t anyway.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Men have always wanted to rule the world because greedy power hungry men have always existed. A one world government is where it is headed, it is what Obama wants, it is the goal of greedy men.

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    If you look through the history of man we are obviously not a peaceful species. History books show peace doesn’t last too long because there is always some group trying to “rise up” until tensions boil over and a large scale incident breaks out. Unfortunately the “terror” groups have been around for a little while too and I don’t see them going anywhere anytime soon because there is a faction of Muslims who seem to be hell bent on blowing up as many people as possible. What can you do against that?

    I personally think the new emergence of the pissed off kid who grabs a gun and decides to shoot up as many people as possible has as much to do with the new 24 hour news cycle as anything. These are obviously insecure people who feel they don’t have much going for them. They shoot up a building and all of sudden for the next two weeks these guys are literally celebrities with their face, name, and story plastered all over CNN, Fox News, etc.

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      I dont think this is a new emergence, just that nowdays its all over the news and news is almost instantaneous. There have always been crazy people and fanatics….part of the Bell curve of Homo sapiens.

      Agree about history. Humanity hasnt changed in the history recorded in texts. We form large groups, vie with other groups, and hate those who are not ….our group. Friday night high school athletics illustrates this nicely. We cant evolve away from this aspect of tribalism. It helped us form societies at the start of our species, but keeps war going.

      The world cant keep going the way it is headed. India and China have huge populations and large segments are aspiring to middle class status, aiming to own cars, houses, and all the electronic stuff. There is not the resources in the world to have that many consumers. Push is going to come to shove over this and such items as food supply. We are not going to get away from our tendency to go to war with each other, given this overpopulation vs resources.

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    Moreland, though. Must have heard about how lame the d league is from Cunningham.

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    Sporting News – NCAA is the “lame duck:”

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-04-16/oregon-ncaa-major-violations-chip-kelly-willie-lyles-recruiting-seastrunk

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      Not sure how much longer I can watch college ball.

      Might just start checking box scores in december.

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        I feel the same way. The beavers start to look relevant again, put together a few good, consecutive recruiting classes, have a favorable ’13 schedule, and the whole context within which they compete is becoming irrelevant. “Luck o’ the Beavs” as some say.

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          Yeah, I can’t tell if I’ve outgrown it or it’s just a bad product. That other guys like you are feeling the same probably means it’s a bad (or worsening) product. The only part I still enjoy is watching player development and dreaming of the Rose Bowl. Everything else might as well be American Idol.

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    At S-I, Mandel thinks the Ducks will get disciplinary actions similar to Ohio State’s. Again, an author emphasizes the suspension of belief required to support the NCAA’s intial take on the Lyle’s saga:

    “Stewart, how do the recent NCAA findings on Oregon stack up to the findings on Ohio State a few years ago? If we look at the actual athlete infractions, they seem fairly similar.
    — Dan Wise, Minneapolis

    I do see a parallel between the two cases, though it may differ from the parallel you mention. Right up until the day Ohio State received its sanctions, our focus was entirely on TattooGate and Jim Tressel’s handling of it. As of July 2011, that was the NCAA’s sole focus, too. As a result, the school — having dismissed Tressel — believed it would get off lightly, and I was inclined to agree. But at the 11th hour that November, the enforcement staff tacked on the charge that the school failed to monitor well-known booster Bobby DiGeronimo, whose $200 payments for attending a charity event and questionable employment practices got a few players suspended that season. While the dollar amounts involved were far less than those in the tattoo deal, many have theorized that the broadening of the case may have pushed it over the edge to merit a bowl ban in December.

    Similarly, when I read the initial Oregon reports on Tuesday, I thought the program was incredibly fortunate. For two years, this scandal revolved almost entirely around the school’s suspicious $25,000 payment to Will Lyles in March 2011, and the enforcement staff’s finding on that matter is the least sinister interpretation possible. We are told that, “none of the underlying violations were intentional in nature,” and that “There is no information in the record that Lyles coerced or directed any prospect to ultimately choose Oregon.” They even chastise the media for “sensationalizing” the $25,000 figure, noting this is a perfectly reasonable price tag for a legitimate recruiting service, which Oregon and Lyles have somehow convinced the NCAA it was. Their sole crime in the matter, therefore, was essentially administrative; Lyles failed to provide quarterly written reports, as required by rule. This view requires an incredible suspension of disbelief, but that’s the language in the parties’ since-rejected summary disposition, and it will likely be the same in the forthcoming Notice of Allegations.

    But the real cause for concern comes later in the document, particularly Finding 3, which was so heavily redacted that initial reports did not even attempt to decipher it. However, compliance expert John Infante tweeted Tuesday that, based on the bylaws cited, this section “relates to gifts provided by Lyles to prospects. Those gifts included clothing, cash and ‘free or reduced-cost services, rentals or purchases of any type.'” Mind you, Lyles was defined as a “representative of athletic interests” (a booster) for Oregon as early as 2008. Much like Ohio State/DiGeronimo, the program is charged with failure to monitor Lyles. “Based on the failure to monitor charge later, the clothing given was [Oregon] athletic apparel Lyles somehow got his hands on,” Infante tweeted. But remember, Lyles wasn’t steering anyone to Oregon. Really.

    So while the original recruiting service violation that prompted the investigation is now minimized (Oregon, in fact, is arguing it should be deemed secondary), the totality of the violations — extra benefits; impermissible phone calls; an extra coach participating in recruiting; and failure to monitor by both coach and program — seems likely to result in significant sanctions. My guess: a one-year bowl ban (like Ohio State’s), mild scholarship reductions and recruiting restrictions such as a limit on official visits and/or coaches’ evaluation dates and home visits (some of which the school offered to self-impose).

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130417/spring-games-scandals-mailbag/#ixzz2QlGY0xsv

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      One piece that seems to get lost in this whole thing is the repeat offender part. Since one or more of the current violations fall under the “major violation” label, and Oregon committed a major violation with the recruiting of JJ Arrington back in 2004, this would mean they’ve committed 2 major violations in a 5 year window. How does that affect the penalties that are handed down? Does anybody know exactly which NCAA Bylaw concerns repeat offenders?

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    Beavers lead the Pilots 1-0 in the bottom of the third

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    kerry eggers ?@kerryeggers 24m

    Beavers had hoped to get jace fry back for weekend series at UW. Ace lefty, rehabbing from Tommy John surgery, is still 1-2 weeks away

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      It’s still good news they will have him back for the final month of the season. Gonna be interesting to see how the Beavers use him when he’s back. Weekend rotation is pretty much set, they could give him a couple midweek starts to help build up his arm strength by the time the postseason comes around and that 4th starter becomes vital if you drop a game in the regional.

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    Andy Jenkins held Hayes at third, on single to center. Should have scored on that.

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    Maz with a sac squeeze scores Hayes. Moves Andy Peterson to second. 2-1 beavs

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    Conforto has been up twice with a runner in scoring position and 2 outs and has failed to deliver.

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    Strikeoit, and groundout ends inning. First and third nobody out, got only one run

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    Kavin Keyes has his third spectacular defensive play, knocking down a sharp line drive, gathers, and throws him out. Child cruising on mainly fastballs.

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    Any links for this game?

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    Danny Hayes drills first pitch off the 390 sign for 2run double

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    Danny Hayes is swinging it today. 3 for 3 with 2 doubles and a single. His two RBI double gives the Beavers a 4-1 lead.

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      He has made two nice defensive plays as well at first base.

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    Andy Peterson picks up Hayes, takes second on the throw to the plate. 5-1

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    J Rod throws out runner on a hit-n-run, turning a strike ’em out throw him out DP. The Man-Child gets the third out on strikeout looking. 5-1 after 7.

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    Danny Hayes with another hit. 4 for 4 on the day. Could be a good sign for him moving forward. Would be nice to see him step up in the last month and a half of the season

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    Beavers win 5-1 to improve to 29-6 on the season

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      Crazy stat: In games Tyler Smith has played in this season, the Beavers are 25-1.

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        More to the point, the Beavs have a losing record in games that Smith has not played.

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          Shows his value. When he’s not in the lineup, it throws things all off. Forces a 2nd baseman to move to shortstop where he’s below average. Casper or Esposito have to play. Hurts the offense and defense. Team looks so much more confident with Tyler Smith in the lineup.

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    Conforto looks very lost at the plate right now.

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    nice to see Dan Child have a good outing today. If he can consistently start doing that again as he did last year we will have 5 pitchers that can potentially start a game. I think that will bode well for when regionals roll around and beyond.

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    What’s the deal with Conforto? Would be cool if he came out of his slump by the end of the season. Is it that pitchers now know better how to pitch to him?

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      Pitchers aren’t giving him as many pitches to hit and he’s been chasing more. In the last month it feels like he’s been pressing and trying to hit home runs, thus has swung and missed a lot. He needs to go back to being patient and make pitchers throw him strikes. Sure, he’ll walk a ton, but Barnes and Smith get on so often, pitchers will eventually have to start giving him pitches to hit and he’ll make them pay. Just about patience with him, it will come and he’ll end up going on a tear. Pretty confident he’ll be at his best come end of the regular season and postseason time.

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        Good points, GB. Also, if Hayes can keep it up that makes it even more likely that opponents will not be so likely to pitch around MC.
        I think (and really hope) you are right about Conforto being at his best at the end of reg season and into postseason.

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        It didn’t look like he was pressing, I think he maybe a little banged up, maybe from all the diving catches he has been making. He could probably benefit from a day off or two. He looked tardy on a number of swings yesterday. He had some pitches to hit, he just made poor contact. He fouled a couple right out of the box, and then had one just blown by him on a high fastball. He did hit one on the screws, but it was right at the shortstop who was well scouted and position at the right spot, a little bit more up the middle of the field. He really should look at going the opposite field, and not try to pull everything, because his bat doesn’t look as quick as it has been, that is why I feel he might be banged up. But that is IMHO.

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          Pulling off the ball constantly is a form of pressing and trying to make things. Also, someone blowing a high fastball by him happens, hard to catch up to those, that’s where he has to lay off those pitches. He needs to go back to the basics of just trying to hit a ball hard somewhere and not chasing and the hits and home runs will come and he’ll look like himself.

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    Back to conspiracy theories. The Saudi national that was a person of interest and then released and said to have nothing to do with the Boston bombing is reportedly being deported and his visa revoked because he was in fact involved but since he’s a relative of Saudi royalty and we wouldn’t want to embarrass them because they’re such good allies in the middle east we’ll just make it easy for everything to quietly disappear. When asked about it Janet Nepolitano said that the question was “not worthy of an answer”. Then again this is the same person that assures us that our border is secure.

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      I wonder how many times that FReeper lie bounced around the echo chamber before it amplified enough to waste my tax dollars.

    • mb says:
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      He also shot Kennedy and JR while Janet was making her famous ice cream.

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    Your article angrybeavs.com | A Critical View of Oregon State Athletics write very well, thank you share!

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