13.May.2015 Andersen Recruiting

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Curious to hear how you guys feel about the start of this recruiting cycle.

My opinion: the offers going out seem to be of higher caliber and with more mutual interest from better players, but in terms of results, so far it’s the same as Riley (0 stars, 2 stars, and 3 stars) and guys with NR rankings on Rivals. I realize that will probably change as their tape is reviewed.

Anyway, that’s my feeling on it. I thought we’d get more immediate recruiting results. I was predicting a top 35 class, if not better, but so far that looks off.

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  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    No game thread so I’ll post here. Nobach goes yard, 2-0 Beavs in the 2nd

  • wannabeav says:
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    Andersen et al seem to be aiming higher; proof will be in the pudding next February. A surprisingly successful season (six or more wins) will help build and solidify.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Billy King drives in 3. 5-0 Beavs in the 3rd

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Nobach singles, King scores. 6-0 Beavs

    Making pretty quick work of the Pilots this evening

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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    While the results appear the same (**,***) it appears that the quality of the player is better. I think Andersen is a better judge of talent, and his assistant coaches are definitely better recruiters.

    • angry angry says:
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      I agree with that; the quality of these 2 and 3 stars seems better overall.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Beavs bat around in the 3rd and plate 5. 7-0 thru 2-1/2 innings

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Cary 2 for 2 with a stolen base and nice defensive play…..so far.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Hendrix crushes one damn near to I5 according to Parker. 9-0 Beavs in the 4th

    • angry angry says:
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      It’s 9-0. Can you stop littering this thread with updates about a meaningless midweek game?

      • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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        My bad. You didn’t make a game thread

      • Numbers says:
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        I disagree, winning 20-0 with the most hits this season, and 7 homers tying single game record, that’s just plain fun and fun to comment on. Also I really like the idea of playing at the Volcanoes in Salem, and Portland venues for establishing a broader fan base.

      • follow me on Twitter @beavernation58 says:
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        Dick

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Slipped up and called him “Jeff”.

  • AndersenEra says:
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    The approach by Andersen just feels much better as a fan. They are going into areas that have talent and with the steady stream of recruiting updates being tweeted it is clear they are being active and forming relationships. Andersen is well regarded as taking care of and having the best interests of his recruits in mind for their entire stay with the program. He supports when it is beneficial to the young man as in the case of Peko where he makes sure weekly that what needs to be taken care of IS taken care of. He doesn’t make excuses.

    I also believe in his game plan more and the players have stated they are having more fun and like the structure and expectations Andersen has laid out from Day 1. I see us clawing out 6 wins this year, then 7 or 8 and 8 again in Year 3 with steady progress. I think as more recruits witness, are aware of and like our style of play and leadership under Andersen and his coaches, we will start landing several more of the 3 stars with multiple attractive offers and even the occasional 4 star or two.

    However, it will take an infectious energy from the players and fans blossoming into something exciting and athletes and fans ever more wanting to be a part of it. It is happening but gutsy performances when it counts will be needed for real acceleration. Seth Collins, Bolden, Hawkins and many players on our defense fit the gutsy mold and so does Andersen so I feel pretty confident we will like the effort we see on Saturdays this fall.

  • AnotherReserSellout says:
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    9 AD candidates: http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/05/9_potential_candidates_for_ore.html

    I think Greg Byrne deserves to be near the top of the list. He and Massari would make a very strong team at OSU so that would be my gut choice right now. If you promote Massari then you want and need to find another good Associate AD type to help the athletic efforts. Byrne would be solid in planning and executing the construction of a high quality Reser Phase 3. He also would stand up well against Mullens at Oregon and do well in making us more nationally relevant. Fundraising and schmoozing he is capable of and would be good face of an Oregon State ready to rise.

    Some of the other candidates I wasn’t too crazy about. Casey could do OK but there are also some possible drawbacks to that and I wouldn’t want him in the role for more than 6 years. I think showing the nads to interview a currently thriving but younger Power 5 AD like at Baylor or TCU is worth the shot. It wouldn’t be a pay cut and if they were excited by a major stadium project and open to a new deal that guarantees them enough time then it is within reason a few candidates could be interested in entering the race. That is the situation with Byrne himself if he were to come here from currently doing well in a Power 5 gig.

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t like any of those candidates. I say give it to Massari or Pat Casey.
      Massari was great at UCSB and seems a good fit at OSU. No need to make a splash when the guy for the job is already there.

      • AnotherReserSellout says:
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        I like Byrne because I think that will give us Byrne & Massari and there is a lot of work to do over the next 6 years. He would charge more than Massari but then you don’t throw most of what needs to get done on Massari alone. For similar reasons I could live with Casey for 6 years as he would still have Massari but can be that competitive face of Oregon State that says we are no nonsense and expect to win across our Major sports. I don’t think we’d get the same fight from Massari as we would from Casey. None of these candidates needs to be too drastically overpaid but ending up with two capable forces in the department seems like it would benefit OSU with major projects in the pipeline.

        • angry angry says:
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          It would probably take a lot of money to get Byrne. Massari is probably just as good, and he can hire a cheap assistant. Probably save a mil or more. What’s so great about Byrne? Sell me

          • AnotherReserSellout says:
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            He has Arizona’s major programs in good hands. Despite Tuscon’s smaller market he has positioned the Major programs well. He led the charge in the new exciting Pac-12 head coaching hires. Perhaps of most relevance to Oregon State and where we are right now is that he has experience with an elite basketball program and stadium renovation. I get what you are saying but I think all the momentum we are building in basketball and football would get Byrne’s top attention and continue to grow.

            I think he is more focused on the Major sports and money generators than DeCarolis was. For most higher functioning schools that is the most important piece that drives the engine. Byrne gets this and would prioritize in a way that should benefit OSU overall. Whoever we get needs to understand that you feed this engine and then that will make your entire university sports health and athletic reputation its strongest.

          • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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            Why would Byrne leave Arizona?

          • Jack says:
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            His family is here… and it’s Arizona.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            family atmosphere?

            kidding, but his wife is from nearby and her family lives 30 miles from Corvallis. I think that’s the only draw however.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            well…that and not having to live in Tuscon 365 days of the year. I guess some people like triple digit heat for 6 months of the year.

          • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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            If nothing else, we can assume that Greg Byrne would be focused on improving the game-day experience for Beaver fans. See quoted section below from ESPN article: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12886474/major-college-football-attendance-hits-worst-average-2003

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            Arizona athletic director Greg Byrne, whose football team saw a rise of more 3,000 fans per game this season, said schools are working harder than ever to get fans in the seats as the size of televisions and higher broadcast quality has led some to stay home to watch games.

            “We are definitely paying attention,” Byrne said. “It is critical that the game-day experience is better for our fans than the television presentation.”

            Byrne said one of the biggest challenges in coming years will be to engage with the student body and make sure they are coming to games. While that group doesn’t necessarily bring in the money now, they certainly are potential future donors to the program.”

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Agree on Massari. If they go with an external candidate, it is stupid to limit the pool to people that have some tie to the school.

        • AndersenEra says:
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          I’m not feeling these smaller ex-OSU guys much either. Open it up and look for traits you want to produce a winning department. The Beaver DNA is OLive harping the old company line. Let the new AD have enough free reign to implement and have his own ideas of refreshing Oregon State’s image and reputation on the national stage. DNA aside with Riley losing so many nationally televised games we have far to go in enhancing our swagger. Status quo is not what we want or need. Rather we should be looking for the third tower in OSU’s rebirth that is newly underway with Tinkle and Andersen. Fresh ideas and someone who will bring change that enlivens the new beginnings that are just getting started.

  • BennyBeav says:
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    What, no mention of Mitch Barnhart? 🙂

  • Jacob Class of 2004 says:
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    I think it’s a little premature to judge the staff’s first recruiting class. They have a lot of work left to do yet. And plenty of time to do it in.

    Plus, the stars by the name mean almost nothing. These are high school kids that are being evaluated. Wait three years to judge the class.

    • scotty says:
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      …said no program with highly-rated recruits ever 😉

      • Jack says:
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        It’s nice that the most recent Heisman winner was a five star dude. That program doesn’t get highly rated players, and they don’t tell us stars don’t matter.

        So… good point.

        We all know how the stars game works. There are a handful of “analysts” who “rate” players for these “services.” More correctly… there are a handful of paid hacks who get to watch games and make up poorly conceived lists based on what the college coaching staffs offer to kids… then charge morons to read all about it. Every team finds gems, more than one. On some teams they are the icing on the cake. On others they are the cake. Most of those gems are the underrated late bloomers from boondocks in northern and western states.

  • thatguy says:
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    1) A lot of stuff will change between now and February. A lot of kids are just plain unsure about what they’re gonna see on the field. We’ll see who wants to commit as the season wears on because it’s the first season in the regime. You know how much wishy washy stuff happens in the last 4 weeks leading up to signing day?

    2) Holy cow the baseball team beat the tar out of the Pilots. Geez louise.

    3) Massari is the likely choice, but I’d be interested to see who interviews and who can get this Beaver juice flowing.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      4) Mens hoops scheduled a home and home with Nevada. Wolfpack visit Gill Dec 5. Beavs will play in Reno the following season

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      You write like Mike Riley talks. “stuff” “Holy Cow” “Geez louise”…

      Hey….. “wait a minute” is this you Mikey? Just can’t quit the Beavs? JB

      • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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        I call shenanigans. He did not use gosh, golly, gee whiz or neat deal in any sentence

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Still way too early to judge recruiting yet, but didnt we only have 1 commit last year around July?

    This staff is definitely hitting it hard. I’m counting roughly 100 offers going out since signing day so far (that we know of) This includes 2016-2017-2018, but still, that’s some major volume. Also, the vast majority of guys offered so far are uncommitted, so it’s not as if another school has beaten us out for these guys. Theyre just undecided.

    Lockette was the guy everybody said would be a major help in recruiting, but I’ve also seen major activity from Odum and Baldwin. Brennan has been his usual steady presence too. Another guy who doesnt get much publicity is TJ Woods. He’s the local recruiter and he’s been all over the place. Not bad for a guy who just moved here and probably didnt have many connections.

    Anyway, long ways to go. I dont think all of the current commits will stay committed (Clarke). GA said he plans to sign 18-20 guys in 2016. Lots of work left to do but I’m encouraged.

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      Also, our 2015 class should get a little bump with the late additions of Fuimaono and Cook. I think they picked up a juco kicker too but I’m cant recall his name.

  • scotty says:
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    Billy King is irritating. Not the person, but the name!

    My train of thought:
    Billy King –> Billie Jean King –> Billie Jean –> Michael Jackson song –> scotty can’t get it out of his head

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    It seems like the guys they’ve offered are also getting offers from higher level programs than the average Riley recruit. It’s also noteworthy that there’s already three commits from Florida, which shows expanded reach.

    • Beavocalypse says:
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      This was the point I was going to make! The fact that we are grabbing Florida players shows that 1) we are expanding our reach and 2) the quality of athlete from hotbeds that we are offering is far greater than Riley. You could just see Riley backing off all the time and cherry picking players. At least with GA you can imagine him laying his best on every guy which means that eventually incredible athletes will take a chance with us and that’s when we will establish and dominate

  • Jack says:
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    I’ve not really been keeping up with recruiting this year because it’s been a little overwhelming compared to what Riley did. The slow drip that was Riley’s recruiting is a really really slow hour on twitter now. And there are times when you set your search and just get bombarded with hundreds of tweets. I imagine there would be several hundred if I left the window open for more than five minutes at those times.

    Bend brings up one good point. But there’s another to consider here. Of our first five (?) commits, three are from Florida and the others are homegrown kids. Sure, we’re gonna lose some kids from Oregon to Nikegon. But most years that means we just wander off to the Prop 48 list and hope we get some to campus eventually… and let the gems from home go to places like Stanford or Boise.

  • Jim says:
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    I’m not really impressed or disappointed at this point. Surprising to see Florida as the state with the most Beavers’ commits at this point.

    I guess I never necessarily thought that Andersen would bring in significantly higher rated recruiting classes. And the last draft has shown that Riley and company could fine some talent. I’m just expecting to see better effort and results with whatever players take the field.

  • Bill says:
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    Seems like kids these days want to come in package deals. Once a school lands a highly rated prospect, he becomes the best recruiter to the rest of the targets. Smart move if the coaches push the committed kids to recruit since there is no restriction on them to contact anyone.

    I imagine things will pick up considerably if the staff is able to land a big commit in the next couple months.

  • beavfev says:
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    i think GA is aiming high as he should. what’s wrong with having standards? mike sure didn’t. i imagine that all the 4*s are waiting to see what GA & co can do this fall, and if they do what they say they can – we’ll start seeing the great athletes commit.

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      To me, the approach feels a little similar to what Chip Kelly did back when he took over at uo. They know they’re not going to get the top quality 4* and 5* guys to just commit, without building a little tradition. Instead, they’re bringing in some undersized guys that have speed (Lucas, Sands, Thomas, Bradford) similar to what oregon did with LMJ and Barner. They’re also going after fast guys in the secondary. As long as they can have a few successful years with the undersized guys, they’ll have a better chance pulling in some of the bigger recruits.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        That’s exactly how I see it. They know what kind of guy they can run in their system with success. CK did it at UO with 3* guys for the first few years, then once the wins kept coming the higher rated guys started committing.

        That’s the beauty of a college system that doesn’t require NFL talent and size at every position. Riley had to take shots in the dark at guys that maybe had the potential to possibly in 3 years have a chance at being decent in a pro set for one season. Andersen and Co know what kind of guys can have success in their scheme now, and they’re going after them.

        • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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          really hoping Lucas can get his shit together and be eligible to play for us. He seems like a difference maker with that speed.

  • Jack says:
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    I’m not as against this idea as others may be. I think the department is set up well for someone with his skills to run it.
    http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/college/oregon-state/2015/05/14/casey-potential-ad-candidate-oregon-state/27299139/

    My only question would be, who does he get with his first hire… to replace himself? Nobody on his staff can carry that water. And apparently once great coaches of traditional powers turn into weather balloons if they come to this state. I have one name that I would accept.

    • whatever says:
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      Scott Brosius? He’s got a national championship, obviously knows the northwest.

      • Jack says:
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        That would be the name.

        • Bill says:
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          Brosius’s son was part of last year’s recruiting class too so that would obviously be a great enticement for Brosius to come if Casey went the AD route.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I agree with Casey, I think we are better off with him as Baseball Coach than an AD. I like the outside the old guard approach. Get somebody fresh and upcoming. Get some new blood in there.

    Recruiting, I like how its going. I think they are focusing on speed guys. Look these spread option system are not rocket science. Riley needed smarter kids to run his complicated system. Kids now just want to ball. So, I think it can lead to more athletes who can run and play fast. I like that they are going down South heavily. It’s where they have most of their relationships already established. I am more curious to see how the Camp season goes and what kind of return we get back on that. Riley would usually wait to long after the Summer camps to even start offering kids. He may have been a good judge on talent, but it sure took him long enough to determine those, and by then kids had gone elsewhere.

    • angry angry says:
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      Casey wanted to retire a few years ago. If they move him to AD and hire Brosius that would be pretty awesome.

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        I know Casey is a popular choice, but does anybody know if he has any type of background in finance? I have no doubt he would be a good face for the program and be able to raise funds, make upgrades to facilities, etc….but what about the whole budgeting part of the job? I haven’t heard anybody talk about his abilities in that area.

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          They’d probably have to have Mark as assistant to handle all that.

          Casey would be good because he’s all business and no excuses. He wouldn’t be afraid to fire anyone and he’d set high expectations for the entire AD.

        • Jack says:
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          While the rest of the NCAA is finally figuring out that actual professionals need to run their athletic departments, we at OSU have been living it for too many years. If there’s anything Bobby D can do at a very high level, it is organization, both financially and organizationally. Living and working within that organization should have given Casey the tools necessary to recognize its structure and how to make it work. The department itself is quite small and incredibly efficient for a D1 AD. Those people could make it run in their sleep while Casey took on the role of fundraising figurehead.

          Casey also wouldn’t be doing it long. But if we were to group him with Massari, Stansbury, et al, then we should assume that what has been learned in his time at OSU must be respected by other NCAA ADs. He may not know what lies in the weeds, but he knows the big picture. And it’s not like he’s not a nuts and bolts type leader.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        I don’t buy the Casey retiring thing. What is he going to do, schlep coffee at Dutch Bros?
        He is a baseball guy that has a dream job, coaching a super high level program that he built.
        He is living the dream and is too competitive to walk away.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    He would be an “excellent ” choice as our new AD and now he is available. However, Smithers must be part of the package deal. He is from Springfield to boot. Mr Burns for AD!
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/14/the-simpsons-fires-mr-burns-harry-shearer-claims-he-s-been-kicked-out-of-springfield.html

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Anybody know when they’re supposed to release drawings of the outside of the new Valley Football Center? Specifically from inside the stadium, looking at the area where the team enters the field?

    I want to see some type of swinging or sliding gate that opens up onto field, in the end zone. And I want to see that gate adorned with fallen logs/branches etc, to give the effect that the Beavers are coming out of the dam. Is that too much to ask?

    Screw tartan end zones

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    The latest renderings:
    http://streamtender.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Beaver-Dam-on-Canmore-Creek-1998.jpg

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      wow, they had these plans clear back in 1998. About time we get it done.

      Another possibility would just be a forest like back drop, that the Beavs cut down when they come running out. (Chainsaw sound and all)

      Also, bring back the fireworks that actually used to go *BOOM*
      I’m tired of the little whistling sky rockets.

      Wasn’t the reason they switched because some dogs got spooked at a nearby dog show once? Just tell the dog show idiots to stop having dog shows during a freaking football game. Everybody in town is at the football game anyway, so attendance can’t be great.

      • PdX says:
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        “Also, bring back the fireworks that actually used to go *BOOM*
        I’m tired of the little whistling sky rockets”

        I would have to say this is also one of my biggest annoyances with the game day atmosphere. It is so lame to hear those wimpy, pumped in sky rocket sounds. Give us the BOOM!

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          somebody got all butthurt cause der po wittle doggie woggies got skeered at OSU pet day when they wet off some big bad fireworks during a spring game in 2010. IDK, whose fault that was but to schedule pet day on the same day as the spring scrimmage right next to Reser stadium is just idiotic on epic proportions. I leave my dogs inside on the 4th of July because duh! I’ll take football over a stupid “pet day” event. Newsflash, NO ONE besides YOU gives a shit about your pooch and the stupid tricks you’ve trained it to do. Now, stop being a pussy because not everyone will bow down and cave to you and your dogs every little desire, go home and go fuck yourself

          That was 2010 Spring Scrimmage. BTW, I say scrimmage because it was. Thanks Riley. And THANK YOU NEBRASKA YOU POOR BASTARDS!!!!!!

  • angry angry says:
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    Nobody posted this?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/05/pat_casey_oregon_state_beavers.html

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      It goes against AB policy. No O-live links. You’ve been banned.

      • angry angry says:
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        I thought Connor and Gina were white-listed?

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          Yeah, I think they are still good.

          Post whatever you want IMO. This is a bastion of free speech, right? 😉

          People can click whatever links they want.

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          As long as “journalists” have been brought up, here is a not too surprising tweet from Schnell,

          Lindsay Schnell retweeted Seth Wickersham

          I’m so happy I’m not alone

          Lindsay Schnell added,
          Seth Wickersham @SethWickersham
          I remain unabashed in my love of Pizza Hut breadsticks.

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          Is that like white privilege?

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    Anybody have a scout subscription?

    A Florida RB w/ double-digit offers tells me #OregonState’s his No. 1 school http://t.co/2n8aIsQk2j
    @BrandonHuffman #Beavers @beaverfootball

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    RT @ebosshoops: 2016 PG Jaquori McLaughlin – a former Oregon State commit – has decommited from Washington.

  • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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    @waynetinkle on Victor Robbins: “Haven't shut the door. We’ve put it on him to handle his business to prove he's worthy of being with us"— kerry eggers (@kerryeggers) May 15, 2015

    More @waynetinkle on Robbins: "We'll see how he finishes academically & where those issues are. We’ll make decision at end of school year."— kerry eggers (@kerryeggers) May 15, 2015

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    I don’t know if that was complete domination in the 4th quarter by the Rockets or complete meltdown by the Clippers. Houston’s bench outscores the Clips 40-15 in the 4th and rallies from 19 down to force a game 7

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      I’ll go with meltdown. I’m close to being a Clips fan and I’m just completely disappointed right now. That unit of Terry-Ariza-Brewer-Smith-Howard just played amazingly on D and Josh Smith just could not miss. No Harden no problem. Clips had no flow on offense in the fourth at all. They have two games of momentum and have Game 7 at home. Not looking good for LA.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        True but the Clips have played well on the road in the playoffs at times. They won two games in San Antonio and one in Houston already. I was down on this series and honestly thought the Clippers were the better team. One game, winner moves on. Not a Clips fan but I think they’re a tougher matchup for Golden St and those two teams played a great series last year. As long as LeBronda doesn’t win another title, I really don’t care who does. He’s overrated

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          LeBron James is the best player since Michael Jordan. And he’s arguably top 5 ever and definitely best SF ever. 4x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 11x All Star, 8x 1st Team All-NBA, 5x 1st Team All-Defense, 5th in playoff PPG all time, 4th in regular season PPG all time (even though he’s not known as a prolific scorer), career averages of 27-7-7. Numerous big shots. Why the blind hate?

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I can name at least 5 players better than him. It’s not hate. When you are allowed to check your opponents prostate while playing defense and get breathed on and it’s a foul when you have the ball, that doesn’t make you a great player.

            I’d take Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Blake Griffin, Anthony Davis, Chris Paul or Michael Westbrook over LeBronda any day of the week. And those are just off the top of my head

            I’ll just leave this here. He’s good, but as good as Jordan? That’s fucking laughable

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            It depends on what you want. Is he as good a scorer as Jordan? No. Is he a better basketball player? Yes, by leaps and bounds.

            Jordan played in a time when the NBA was at its best, and he could score points like nobody’s business. But he couldn’t win. Then all the greatest players in the last forty years started retiring, and a ton of expansion teams came online. Suddenly the talent in the NBA was scattered as well as depleted.

            And you whine about Le Bron getting all the calls while never getting called? Did you ever watch Michael Jordan play basketball? I think Bryon Russell would disagree with your silly little claim… as would just about everyone who was ever held and molested by such a great defender like Jordan. Can you imagine if Jordan played with today’s hand check rule? He’d foul out in three possessions. I’d not rate Jordan in my top five. He was the best scorer on his team, but I think Pippen was a better player. Still, you have to respect the scoring ability just because it is what it is.

            I also don’t buy that Le Bron is one of the top five all time though. Top 20? Yes. Top 10? Maybe in the future. I’m not buying the stats thing when Le Bron also couldn’t win for years… in a very weak Eastern Conference. But at least he made it to the finals once before finally winning a title… in a very weak Eastern Conference. And he did beat some quality opponents in the finals. Jordan beat who? And even if you come up with some good teams, they weren’t as good as their peak years in the 80’s when even those teams couldn’t make the finals because the league was so damn good.

            The 00’s were much better than the 90’s in terms of product and talent. But it was still not good. Only now are we finally getting back to a comparable level of depth across the NBA that we once saw. And that’s only because the pool from which talent comes has expanded to the international level that produces players who are looking less and less like international players. The Eastern Conference is still weak. But at least there are now three or four teams who can play ball. And there is some young talent on the other teams. I see some hope for once.

            I don’t like that we can have an ESPN top 10 for the week like we did back in 2006 or so where Kobe Takes five zig-zag steps through the lane for a lay-in only to be ranked #2 to Le Bron taking four steps into two defenders, busting through their arms and taking two more steps before laying it in. I don’t like that Le Bron gets to make a spinning one-handed move across the lane and land on his foot before actually shooting the ball. And I have never ever liked favorable calls for stars/veterans/what have you. That’s bullshit stuff that takes away from the beauty of the game itself. It makes a simple game into one of politics.

            And we all love politics. Right?

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            where in my post did you find me saying Jordan never got calls? Ummm, fucking nowhere dumbass. And yes, Jordan’s final shot in the finals for the Bulls against the Jazz he used his left hand to shove Byron Russell to the floor. Only a blind idiot wouldn’t see that. Jordan also never lost an NBA finals. LeBronda’s lost 3 now. Jordan > LeBronda. Yes the “superstar rules” of the NBA take away from the game

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            Jordan would likely only win one of those six if he played against this era’s teams. And he certainly wouldn’t do it without the supporting cast that really did win those titles against the depleted and watered down talent that was the 90’s. The best team they played in those title series was Utah. And that Utah team was just a shadow of how good they were in the late 80’s.

            No… you didn’t say Jordan didn’t get calls. But you also made that the main gist of your argument against Le Bron while comparing him to Jordan.

            Oh… and Robert Horry never lost a title series in seven tries. You’d be hard pressed to say any of his teams would have won without him in those finals as well. He must be the best ever? Certainly your parameters suggest Horry > Jordan.

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            Jordan also dropped 38 on the Jazz with the flu. LeBronda gets cramps, quits and has to be carried off the floor. Jordan also won all his 6 titles with the same team. You can’t say the same for Horry. Only you would draw that parallel

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            Ohhhhh… so now it has to be with the same team?

            The tartan on your moving goalposts has been replaced by camouflage.

            And apparently you think cramps are no big deal? I know you’ve had one in your life (muscle, not stomach… or liver). A touch of flu is nothing. What’s so bad about the flu? Oh yeah… that you might get dehydrated and cramp up… then you would just be reduced to a crying fetal pile like everyone else who cramps up does.

            Besides, who played D for that Jazz team? Didn’t Pippen drop a like amount in the previous game?

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            a touch of flu is nothing? I’d rather have cramps than the flu.

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            No you wouldn’t. You can play through the flu as long as you don’t get dehydrated and cramp up or start getting dizzy. And the latter can be overcome with hydration. Cramps are worse than sprains or strains… especially if they’re not your run of the mill calf cramps.

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            I’ve had both and I’d rather have cramps than the flu.

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            I’ve tried playing with both. I can easily play with the flu. Both make me sweat more. It’s just that cramps make me sweat through my eyes instead… because I can’t move.

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            Besides… Jordan didn’t have the flu. He had food poisoning. And he also sat out for most of the late game a couple days earlier for… cramps. I believe that’s why Pippen went on the scoring rampage in that game.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            LeBron’s cramps were due to his HGH use. Shouldn’t be a problem the rest of his career as the NBA is finally testing for the stuff starting next year, and suddenly guys like Lebron and Dwight Howard are going to start slimming down.

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            Do they really have a definitive test for it now?

            Or should I say… do they really have a definitive test for when players get the heads-up the night before?

          • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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            Or it being his time of the month

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            I am so ashamed of you guys, especially the ones with Oregon State degrees to be spitting this drivel about HGH among other things. Don’t we claim intelligence and try to bring up the name of our school? It looks very bad when you act like this. LeBronda? How old are you?

            Plus the fact that all you guys’ reading comprehension looks to be at a poor level. I said “since Jordan” meaning that *since* Jordan retired in 98, no one has been a better player. I didn’t compare LeBron to Jordan in no point during my post.

            Jordan is the GOAT btw, no debate.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            I didn’t compare LeBron to Jordan in no point during my post.

            Says the guy criticizing readin’ comprahention.

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    Eggers article in the Portland Tribune on Tinkle, OSU hoops and the team in general

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/260451-132249-wayne-tinkle-beavers-aim-to-park-in-ncaa-tournament

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      Tinkle used “neat” in the interview. That can’t be good.

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        I saw that too…

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          he probably wanted to say ‘fucking awesome’ but thought ‘neat’ might work better….

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    If memory serves, I think at this time of year our past recruiting classes would consist of two kids. And one of them would be poached in the end. We’re usually whining about how we have nobody committed and nobody on the hook. And we just resin ourselves to waiting until the first week in June after camps start ending… to get maybe two or three more commits.

    The quality of those committing are similar to the first five or six that previous classes would haul. But the timeline is forward about a month. And there are many hooks set and being reeled before camps start. And many more of significant talent are sniffing the bait.

    But probably more significant is that the quality of certain positions has shifted. Even in the last class, did we expect any DTs with any abilities to sign before the coaching change? Were the hopefuls at this time of year a lot of trench players? Or were we looking at the occasional RB or TE mixed in with a lot of undersized LBs and/or DBs/WRs?

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      Take a look at Bradford’s film. There’s no way this kid should be unranked by the recruiting sites. I think he’ll end up as a 3* or possibly 4* by the end of his senior year.

      http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1475243/trevon-bradford

      I’m curious what others who have an eye for this stuff think?

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    I have confirmed that former @OSUBeaversFB QB Luke Del Rio is heading to Florida. http://t.co/G3I8tA0rSp— Connor Letourneau (@ConnOregonian) May 15, 2015

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    Gary Andersen will be the next guest on Jim Rome today
    (currently, Joey Harrington is on the air. they’re doing an all state of oregon show)

    http://v6.player.abacast.net/2822

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    Eggers article says a freshman might crack the starting bball lineup. My bet would be on Tinkle jr as our forwards don’t impress or put up many points. Second would be whoever can be a true point guard. Duvivier doesn’t seem comfortable at pg.

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      He’s just pumping the bellows. It’s an open competition always. And there’s some great talent coming. Hard work (which includes experience) trumps talent. But talent that works hard will always win out.

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      Thompson Jr would be a better bet. He put up great numbers against top competition.

      From the article it sounds like while the new guys may not crack the starting lineup, there will be a heavy rotation. Might be a 9 man rotation. Payton, Duvivier, Morris-Walker, Reid, Gomis, Tinkle, Schaftenaar, Bruce, and Thompson. And hopefully one of the new bigs can contribute something.

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        How big is Eubanks? I’ve seen him listed from 6’8″ to 6’10’ and skinny to pretty heavy.

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          I’ve heard that he’s 6′ 10-1/2″ and Big G is 6′ 11″.

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    Connor Halliday retires from football. https://twitter.com/si_wire/status/599279012674940929

    Apparently, He was tired of leach calling him a p word

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      It was the racist team name. He was overwhelmed with guilt and could not function.

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      The Redskins seem like a horrible franchise to work for, so I can’t blame him. Maybe he’ll go play overseas or in Canada where he can start right away. Or maybe he just hates football. It’ll be interesting to hear why he did this.

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        Keith Kostol is at their minicamp today.

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        Halliday had a pretty bad leg injury last year. Broke his fibula and tibia from a hit from a USC player. Probably the main reason why he quit.

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    sounds like the NCAAM shot clock has been changed to 30 seconds

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    What the holy shit-stained bloody hell crap on a cracker fuck is this moronic turd talking about?
    http://oregonsportsnews.com/team-news/oregon-state-beavers/oregon-state-cant-dream-big-without-bob-de-carolis.html

    Is that a for real “news” site? I know it’s an editorial. But his facts aren’t correct. And the Gary Payton era was a one-off? Who the fuck is that mind-blowingly stupid?

    • cj cj says:
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      I agree with what you say here Jack but I also believe that most of the other things this guy said were spot on…

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        His set-up isn’t too bad when he sticks with what Bobby D accomplished. But his follow through is about as ridiculous as that “one-off” line. Did you think Bobby D left because he didn’t get certain concessions on an extension while bargaining for it? That’s not what I know to be true.

        And his conclusion is vying to be the king of “Corvallis is a crap town, and OSU is a crap school who better be careful what they ask for because….”

        This article makes Schnell sound wise and reasonable.

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          “This article makes Schnell sound wise and reasonable.”

          No kidding, never thought that would happen!

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      another *uck hack

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    OT: For those of you who care about privacy, I recommend getting off gmail and using protonmail. It’s free, encrypted email, without the user knowing how to setup encryption keys. It’s pretty awesome. It takes 1 to 2 months to get an account due to the high demand. Getting off google is a good idea since they catalog everything you do.

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    On Rome today Andersen specifically mentions Marcus McMaryion as making big strides. Interesting…

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    Langston Morris-Walker, Oregon State Beavers guard, to miss month of workouts with bunion

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/05/langston_morris-walker_oregon_1.html#incart_river

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      I have yet to see a bunion work out.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      He needs to stop wearing heels.

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      My grandma used to get those. She said they were a bitch

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    Bunion is when the large toe bone pulls away from the rest of the toe bones. There is really no way to fix it. It can kinda deform the foot. Foot won’t be the same

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