Hey guys.
So general recruiting thread here, but feel free to go off topic. I’ll keep this thread up until signing day.
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Now, go Beavs — they’re finishing this recruiting cycle with what seems like a whimper, but I’m hoping for a surprise or two that’s a game changer.
First bitches!
Speaking of a whimper, expect both the hoops teams to end the season this way in a month. On the bright side we get baseball in two weeks but will have to hear about LH being a kid diddler for the next 4 months.
On the bright side PC’s team is pretty fucking loaded. Again. Barring major injuries a Pac-12 title is expected. Anything less than a trip to Omaha is a disappointment. Go Beavs with wood. Or sticks. Whatever you wish to call them.
Why do you think the WBB will end the season poorly? They may not win the P12 reg season or tourney but I fully expected them to make the NCAAs and if they get the right draw, can do some damage. Gulich is going to be a load to handle for any team that hasn’t seen her. This weekend vs the Bay area schools is going to tell us a lot.
Especially if Katie Mac continues to be a threat from the outside along with Tudor and the rest of the 3 point shooters. Katie’s offensive threat will open things up even more for Gulich in the middle. I’m going to the Stanford game tomorrow night and can’t wait. The women are just flat out fun to watch play and the crowd really gets into it. I think the Beavs can finish 5-3 or 6-2 and that would put them at 21-8 or 22-7 and probably 3rd or 4th n a very deep conference. This team is getting better as the season progresses and role players start to contribute. That said, next season will be the one to watch the Beavs with Destiny at PG, in coming 6’8″ freshman, 6-7 freshman and almost the same squad returning from this year’s team except Gulich. Go Beavs.
Uhhh, you’ve seen what happens when good teams pressure these gals, right?
Not real high on recruiting, but I do enjoy some Nice Beaver once in a while.
Hi-ohhhhhhhhhhhh!
Oh hi, Mark.
I will give props to the coaching staff for landing some pretty decent looking beef for the OL and DL. This is something we’ve all bitched about for the last few years.
Where’s the BEEEF???
Verified a guy I mentioned briefly yesterday here, http://angrybeavs.com/athletics/13637#comment-279507
Is visiting this weekend. Jermarcus White. LB out of Texas.
Super nice kid.
https://247sports.com/player/jermarcus-white-46042255
BTW, how does sarc font work? Never used it but tried to above
So, he’s not a nice kid?
Very interesting to see that Coach Niner had been offered the job and was recruiting assistant coaches “a couple weeks” before he officially took the job!
So much for an in-depth coaching search. Sounds like the job’s was Smith’s to lose…
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-brian-lindgren-takes-over-offense/article_ba41e6bb-4446-5c24-8d15-d23f2f1b1257.html
This is just my guess but I’d imagine for I applied for the coaching job and knew they were not going to announce it for a while I’d be trying to line up my staff just in case I got it. I’d be making preemptive calls so as to get a jump on things and not lose guys to other gigs.
*image if I applied… sorry… fat fingers.
I don’t think it’s unusual for a coaching candidate to have a group ready to go as his assistants, prior to actually getting the job. I’ve often read where candidates have these hires sketched out well in advance to help sell their vision in interviews. I really don’t think Smith knew he had the job till shortly before it broke, but he probably knew he was on the short list with a couple weeks to go.
Every coach who has head coaching aspirations has a plan of what their vision is. They have a list of coaches they’d want to work with or have discussed working together if one or the other were to get a head coaching job (and you can see this since every coach is connected to Smith’s coaching or playing stops). Smith’s list was probably shorter than some since he hasn’t been to too many schools.
From what Barnes relayed, he was the front runner but did do their due diligence on other candidates as well. Hard to be the first guy to interview, have to wait the longest to hear back. Sounded like Baldwin had a very good interview, since there were strong rumors of him being hired. I kind of think Baldwin was going to be the guy but his agent overplayed his hand and that gave the edge to Smith.
Remember when I said my source told me Smith was hired and there was no real search? That was the word with those in the know around Corvallis. Same with Riley. He was on board long before it was mentioned. His wife was going around town telling people…
I think it goes further back than a couple of weeks, too.
If true, I apologize to Cory Hall for thinking anything bad about his leadership abilities. Even a HoF coach wouldn’t be able to overcome his own school undermining a team like that.
Yeah because I am sure that OSU is the first school to ever know who they are gonna hire weeks before officially announcing it. No chance that doesn’t happen all the time when coaches leave in midseason.
It is unfortunate, however, that they left Hall in limbo, up to and including the hiring of JS. The reality is they jammed that guy and that was pretty shitty.
I don’t know that I agree. They gave a position coach with very little experience the opportunity to demonstrate what he’d do as head coach. I think that what happened in 2017 will probably have a net positive effect on Hall’s coaching career.
No, that I would agree with, allowing him the exposure was good, although they didn’t have many options either. The shitty thing is to imply that he would be retained when the new staff came in and then cut him loose after the coaching carousel has ended.
Nobody implied anything to Hall
Yeah, they said they’d recommend Hall to the new coach and I am sure they did but at the end of the day a head coach gets to pick his staff.
Then why not cut him loose when they came on board? I get it, it’s a business, but seems like a more appropriate thing to do would be to tell the guy, hey, you’re not in our plans, thanks. I tend to treat my employees with respect though.
So I am guessing Struck is the PWO JC guy mentioned in the other thread?
Nothing is iminent with struck just yet. Will have to let things play out. Colletto’s decision tomorrow will have an effect
I didn’t think anything was imminent, just speculating he was the guy you were mentioning. That said, I certainly wouldn’t mind getting a PWO at the QB position even if Colletto chooses OSU. That position badly needs depth.
Based on the number of plays he played it looks like Struck was 3rd string at Riverside CC. Was he injured? Just wondering why he would even be considered as a PWO.
If we strike out with Struck, what are grammatical implications?
We will be stricken with less depth at QB?
Struck throws a nice ball, and holy shit he is ripped in that Twitter photo. Pretty bad completion % in HS.
Did he play at CC? I’d be curious to see if he improved.
I’ve always been puzzled how the Kellen Moore, Dan Lefebvre, and Falk type always winds up on other teams. OSU never hits on a guy like that. These guys we’re recruiting are in that mold. So, it’s interesting…I like all these guys more than Seth Collins, Garrettson, and Luton, so there’s that.
NB. should we be excited about a player who was a true freshman at Hawaii last year and was in a back-up OT and special teams player? He has to redshirt this year, correct?
>He has to redshirt this year, correct?
He definitely has to sit out a year.
I think he’s a nice OL addition. Wrestling state champ in Idaho 2 straight year. Might be a little undersized for Pac12 play right now, but the year off will allow him to focus on getting his physique right. He sounds like a pretty motivated guy too. Read about him here
http://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/high-school/prep-football/article197779919.html
The thing I have liked most about the recruiting philosophy is their clear desire to get guys in the trenches. I personally believe that offensive line is the easiest position to coach up. You just need to find aggressive guys with the right size and a good OL coach can get production. I like that Smith clearly went after a quality OL coach (making him AHC to get him) and think the focus on OL will pay dividends down the line.
My personal preference would be to create a power run offense with a play action passing attack. Based on recruiting of OL and RB I think Smith might have similar ideas.
Agree on all points.
And bear crawls, lots of bear crawls…
Didn’t Andersen come in and immediately say we had too many OL. And immediately began reducing Riley’s OL numbers? Does coach Riley think we are thin at OL now?
The results of which show ga was a bit thick on that.
Yes, show us the BEEEEEF!!
Apparently Saban get his recruits with his dance moves…
https://twitter.com/Aj_Marshall17/status/957663345284472833
Come on OSU step up your game, dance classes for the coaches, ASAP!
It’s a long read, but this Heimlich piece by Eggers is pretty powerful.
The type of investigative reporting that should have occurred at Oregonlive, but was instead dismissed for the quick, cheap click bait headline.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/385703-274945-penalties-paid-heimlich-ready-to-return-for-beavers-baseball
FINALLY !!
Very well written article by Eggers. Seriously a very very good piece of journalism. I have a lot of hope that the whole Heimlich family can heal and make positive on their lives
JohnClownzano says Eggers just makes stuff up, and this article is fakenews.
Very good article and it makes last spring all the more infuriating for so many to simply pile on in ignorance and emotionalism, including Oregonian, ESPNSEC and their vengeful umps.
It was a media disgrace that should not be forgotten or too soon forgiven by OSU Administration/Athletics and especially OSU Baseball. Casey should personally toss that sanctimonious know it all Canzano out of the staduim next time he comes to OSU for any event.
Or at least offer him a night out by his favorite sponsor of his 750 The Game Radio show….the DolphinII Strip Club. Yes, JC, supporter of the anti-exploitation of women movement, draws part of his salary from a business that does just that….exploits women. And, to top it all off, Clownzano had my account permanently deactivated from Oregon Live when I posted in response to several of his articles that very fact. What cahone-less and spineless turd and to think I used to support that POS on Oregon Live…not anymore….I don’t listen to his radio show or read any of his articles.
I used to get pissed off at clownzano but Ive tuned him out, he’s just a carnival barker. To me, its infuriating to look up a Beav article and then see Danny Moron’s name on it.
There’s no doubt in my mind that Moran didn’t dig anything up on Heimlich. Crazy ass brother’s ex wife probably sent the info to the Oregonian. I wouldn’t be surprised if Moran’s first call was to Casey to give him a heads up that if they didn’t run the story she’d just go to the next outlet with it.
Moran did do a request for documents from the court. Myself and two others from this site investigated this last year and requested court records. They were requested on May 19th by Moran. Now, did someone go tell him to dig those up? I think so but can’t prove it.
Why are there so many down votes on this Heimlich stuff? Have the balls to state your case if you think he was treated fairly or in other words, got what he deserved.
I just read it and responded to it with a nice little tidbit about John Clownzano the consummate hypocrite. Great article with lots of new information that should really make some people rethink their opinion about LH and his innocence. I was a victim of child sex abuse at the age of 5 by my 13-14 year old cousin and she recently passed away that brought back some unpleasant memories.
The fact that some Duck fans like Ganggreen91 (OregonLive) are demanding an explanation about why Casey recruited Luke and allowed him on the team….well, Eggers article should answer that question loud and clear. Catch a cllue Duck fans (GG91 also stated that Luke was 17 during the alleged abuse….when we all know he was 15.)
Anyway, great article and I think it will help put this story to rest except for some Duck fans that just want to troll for the sake of trolling. Luke, go have a great season and finish what you should have been allowed to start during last season’s playoff run. Bring home the title and thumb your nose to those that doubt the validity of your multiple lie detector tests.
Wow. I feel a little juvenile regarding my initial response to the situation. I still don’t know exactly what to think of it all.
That people are cruel and the ex sister in law should be jailed for what she’s put Luke and the rest of the Heimlich’s (including her own kids) through.
Anyone who cares to know the real story would see the incredible amount of inner strength Luke has shown. That kind of mental toughness makes me believe even more he will be lights out this year
Hey for once we agree.
McM still sucks
I hope he does next year!
Someone with twitter may want to educate Kendall Rogers. The guy has a reading comprehension problem as demonstrated by his assertion on twitter that LH “readmitted guilt” in his statement last June.
Rogers take on the Eggers story:
Interesting story here by @kerryeggers — but Luke Heimlich has a long long way to go to remotely convince anyone. He must answer questions, publicly. Anything else should be considered fluff.
Convince anyone of what? Not to sound callous, but who cares how many times he does or does not admit guilt. It doesn’t matter. He committed the act when he was a minor and completed his court ordered requirements.. Why is this so hard for people to understand????
Why is this so hard for people to understand????
Emotions.
If they’re Duck fans, they lack the capacity for reason and logic. Yes, it’s actually pretty simple to figure out that he wasn’t an adult, there’s different legal standards for minors as opposed to adults and that he fulfilled the terms of his sentencing. There are still those that demand to know the truth why PC signed him to play for the Beavers. Again, that is very simple to understand if you have the capacity for reason and logic…..PC didn’t know about his past because LH wasn’t required to disclose it. In fact, based on the most recent information in the Kerry Eggers article, I’m not convinced that the entire story has been told and, frankly, I don’t care. In my eyes, the kid took accountability for his alleged behavior, served his sentence and has been a productive member of OSU ever since. End of story for those with the capacity to reason and understand logic.
But hey… you’re not above spending fifty words to excoriate a woman’s looks based on your own shallow understanding of humanity.
So there’s that.
If we were to compare the press to OSU football coaches, Eggers is Dennis Erickson or Tommy Prothro, and Moran is Gary Crapperpants.
Victim = Luke, Guilty = court system / media
Go Beavs!
Have we reached the point where nobody here gives a shit about men’s basketball? I think has to be the most damn indictment of all By the way, they got down 20-3 to Stanford out of the gate. Tinkle has to go at some point, right?
Until he gets a point guard, I don’t really care about hoops.
They’ve got it down to 6 with 7 minutes to go
I see it at 14. Let me guess, we turned it over a lot down the stretch, missed free throws, and the refs jobbed us?
I didnt watch any of it. Just happened to see the score. Looks like it was a 9 pt loss.
Sabrina I is now playing for the Stanford men and wearing #4. Looks better with her man bun.
LOL….too funny….lady looks a dude. There’s nothing feminine about SI….I swear looking at her face without the hair….I want to check her birth certificate. It’d be just like the Ducks to play a dude attempting to look like a chick for the women’s team.
It’d be just like a duck fan to make a trash comment like this
Yup.
Just peaked at the ducks roster. A gal named Lydia Giomi is awfully nice looking.
Gary, is that you?
Here’s the Colleto interview with Nemec on 1080 last night: http://www.1080thefan.com/media/audio-channel/recruiting-w-andrew-nemec-2-1-18
Never heard Nemec talk…he sounds rabid and shrill. Really hard voice to listen to.
That’s too funny. I’ve been saying the same(not exact words, but similar) to people who have sent me his podcast links in the past.
I can’t get through a whole show.
The funny think is, if you have heard him over this year, he’s sounding more and more like Canzano. As if he’s studying Canzano’s show to learn how to be a radio guy. Similar voice, same tempo and flow. His idol.
It’s like the awkward radio guy equivalent of when Kobe came into the league and tried to talk like MJ.
All of these dudes need testosterone shots or something. Where’s the bass knob, fellas!?
He sounds more like Petros jacked up on crack than Canzano.
Did you listen to the part near the end where he discusses the lack of P5 offers most of our recruits have? He also said he doesn’t think these guys look like Pac 12 players on film. I would like to chalk it up to a coaching change but even GA was flipping Utah leans/commits in year 1 at OSU.
Trying to think of how many of the GA flips actually ever saw the field?
I guess Togiai, although he was a Utah basketball commit. And Paul Lucas played a little, but is back at ASU.
Any others?
Not all these guys were flips or have seen the field but they had multiple power 5 offers – Wily-Matagi, Jay Irvine, Taylor Thomas, Elu Aydon, Deltron Sands, Simi Moala. Treston Decoud was also a GA signing that first shortened recruiting season.
No, I couldn’t listen to him. I turned it off after Colleto.
Nice article on Brandin Cooks:
http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/268243/brandin-cooks-has-lived-up-to-the-offseason-hype-for-patriots
““What he’s done for our team, in one year, is really incredible. I haven’t seen it very much from anybody to come in and make the kind of contributions he’s made,” Brady said of Cooks, who finished the regular season with 65 receptions for 1,082 yards and seven touchdowns. “He does it in his own style, too. He’s not trying to mimic anybody.”
In Brady’s 16 seasons as a starter, only two Patriots receivers had more production than Cooks has in a first season with the team: Pro Football Hall of Fame finalist Randy Moss and Wes Welker, both in 2007.”
Without doing much research, 16 yards per catch sounds like a high average.
He’s commanded a lot of extra attention from DB’s as well, so his net effect on the team goes beyond what’s seen on paper.
A lot of explosive plays.
I miss Cooks. Slightly notches above Quizz and Quon for all time favorite Beav
Those guys are all great Beavs, but Stroughter is probably my all time favorite. Also loved Moore, so that ’06 team was a blast once they got rolling. I think that was Riley’s best team even though ’08 and ’09 were playing for more.
What little I saw of a playoff game it looked like his deep routes were effectively helping clear out the underneath routes, and he apparently got a few long PI calls his way. I figured he’d end up with more TDs, but, next year.
Off the top of my head add Hass, Jackson, Doggett, Swancutt, Victor Butler…
gotta have somebody from 2000
Simonton, Houshmandzadeh, Seigler, Eric Manning
I’m guessing we get Jack Colletto today, announcing on Twitter at 4pm our time. His latest 6 follows on Twitter are Oregon State guys and he follows almost nobody from Vandy, even though I believe he visited them after he visited us. So, I think we get him.
I get that a lot of people on here don’t like him, which I don’t totally understand.
Obviously, his delivery needs plenty of work, he jump throws a lot, throws off his back foot too much, generally has a poor delivery. Considering all of that, he’s somewhat accurate, his arm strength is solid and I think with a decent QB coach, he could develop to be pretty good at the Pac-12 level. I don’t think he’s going to be any sort of all conference QB for us, but I think the criticism of him is sort of overblown.
Colletto qualified out of high and doesn’t need his AA correct? Does this mean he can be here for spring practice?
I would assume so. He graduated with a 3.9 GPA. I can’t think of a reason he wouldn’t be here for spring.
You are correct. They wanted to get him enrolled winter term but he was committed to taking his Vandy visit.
If he’s a drunk and won’t attend his AA meetings, we don’t want him! (FWIW, this is sarcasm.)
Winners never quit. Quitters never win.
+1000 for Dave in Tumwater on JBS today. Danny Moran should be persona non grata in Beaver Nation with his surface-of-the-story vigilante hit piece and “standard” (bullshit) background checks. And that hypocrite Canzano. Cheers, Dave!
Busy work day so sorry for the lack of updates. Not much to say other than I think the staff has their remaining commitments lined up and they’re going to play defense between now and signing day to keep everybody on board.
By my count, we have 6 spots left, max, but we may not use them all. Here’s how I think the final 6 spots will fill out(just an amature prediction, so don’t put much faith in this)
1. Colletto (announces 5PM today)
2. Gray
3. Tago
4. Brockermeyer
5. Hunt or Hall, whoever commits first
6. 1 of Brockermeyer/Jaden Robinson
All things considered, that wouldn’t be a bad little haul for this final week.
One thing I don’t understand is how Oregon is able to convince potentially 4 4* and above WRs and 2 4* TEs to all join in the same class. That’s a ton of guys signing up who will expect to see the ball coming their way, added to a receiving corp that’s isn’t exactly a bare cupboard. A few of these guys are going to be unhappy riding the pine in their fancy rain coats the next couple of years when they could have been showcased at other schools with less competition for spots.
Must be a nice problem to have.
And EVERY one of them was likely led to believe that THEY will get the majority of the playing time.
Exactly, they’ve all received a lot of attention growing up, and that leads to confidence, and that leads to them all believing they’ll be the starter.
That constant affirmation/confidence is why Duck players are all mentally superior to our players.
Regarding the million hole WR commits that is
“Must be a nice problem to have.”
Exactly!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfdpcrOgUp4
2 for 2 so far as Gray and Colletto have both committed today.
Scoop compares Scott Frost’s response to two players being sent to the hospital with rhabdo to the way slick willie handled things:
Side issue: Did MR leave an out of shape group at Neb?
http://footballscoop.com/news/two-nebraska-players-hospitalized-rhabdo-heres-scott-frosts-response/
EDIT/ADD: Worth Noting-
Frost’s S/C coach Zach Duval, is certified as a Master Strength and Conditioning Coach by the Collegiate Strength and Conditioning Coaches association, the highest honor given in the strength and conditioning coaching profession. He has a Bachelors in Exercise Science, while Willies guy studied “recreation”, was uncertified, and was better qualified to organize a badminton tourney.
Yes, it sure sounds like he left behind an out of condition team. I would guess they also forget the snap count a lot and are poor tacklers. With that said, I do think he has a good mind for offense and brings some value as an assistant.
Though not as much value is added as lost with him receiving a paycheck from OSU.
WBB ALERT: 6pm on PAC12, Beavs vs Stanford at Gill. The only game on the regular season schedule between the two.
Usual questions come to mind:
-Can the Beavs keep TO’s under 12? More importantly, will the difference in points off of TO’s be less than 5?
-Will Tudor, McWilliams, Goodman and Kalmer or a combo prove to be enough of a threat beyond the arc to free up Gulich?
-Can Gulich stay out of foul trouble?
And, the usual expectation:
-Gulich will continue to lead and to RUN THE COURT! Her hustle has been obvious, valuable, and fun to watch! Angry knows how to pick ’em!
Watched the MBB game last night… spent the second half trying to dig out of an huge hole. Too little…too late!!
Looks like Tinkle will be added to the post-Miller casualties of Anderson, Payne, McKay, John, Robinson…next up???
Bring back GP I ??
Hey PBH, although I still haven’t forgiven you for the disparaging comments about my city a couple weeks ago I do hope you get a chance to go out to the Phoenix Open while you are here. The talent on and off the course are worth viewing up close.
I went to the Open on Thursday. It’s a pretty incredible experience. Thursday is a great day to go. A lot less people so you can easily walk up to the ropes around the greens and here conversations between the players. Just missed the streaker on 16 though.
It is hard to imagine OSU firing Tinkle before Tres is gone. He has at least 2 more years. This team doesn’t seem that far off if they can add some talented post players and get an actual PG.
We landed our savior. The next 3 years are going to be fun watching this kid lead OSU.
I don’t know about savior, but if they can get his footwork and delivery down, I think he can be an improvement over what we’ve had the last 3 years. Considering the lack of QB coaching, I don’t see why a few of the guys we already have can’t get better too.
He is working on the mechanics but not sure we will completely see the leg kick go away. Sometimes its better to have a great college QB than a prototypical NFL QB. Not trying to compare him to either but would you rather have tim tebow or derek anderson? Sometimes quirky works in college.
The leg kick won’t matter as he sends signals in.
Ok so what’s your depth chart coming out of spring ball? If it’s not between him and Luton then they are in better shape than I think they are at QB. I’m still optimistic about Willard but I don’t believe Blount, Dukart or Moran will ever be in the mix.
It should keep the blog interesting!
Though, to be honest, I have warmed to him a bit once I got over the pumpkin tossing and foot kick.
Time will tell on him but I respect you for being flexible in your opinion of him.
The best I can say about him is that he’s better than Zach Maynard.
Angry himself would be an improvement from last year
Hey, I’m good.
Yeah, didn’t you boast 99.9% accuracy? ;)
WRs drop passes. It’s the only time a ball out of my hand is incomplete.
Proof: let’s get a tailgate game this Fall in Corvallis.
Colletto does have some of the general traits that made JS so effective w/ the Beavs: Hard working, not scared of challenges, very intelligent. I mean here’s a kid that was willing to take the long road to get to D-1 and was smart enough to get into Vandy.
I’m hoping he’s the weird/unorthodox QB I always see on every other team who’s lighting it up and makes me wonder “Why didn’t we recruit this guy?”……there are A LOT of those guys.
Joshua Gray is a pretty big deal. And a neat deal.
ESPN has him as a 4-star, and he has a solid offer sheet with both AZ schools, NE, and WSU.
Not much excitement over him on twitter or here. He’s listed at 6-5 and 233lbs. Very light for a tackle, so I guess he’ll have to RS.
I agree, he is a big deal. People need to understand that we have some pretty good options on the OL coming in, all things considered. I like Gray quite a bit.
Also, nice to have a renewed connection to Rancho Cucamonga now.(i want to say Villy was the only guy from there on last years team but would have to look it up)
We had a pretty solid ol class last year too.
Building blocks are there to have a good line within the next year or 2
Gray is at 268 now….he’ll likely be 280+ by the time summer camp begins
233? Only need to add about 60 pounds to play LT…
Or be a former female writer for SI.
I guess I don’t understand the “stars system”. Do the experts give out stars on potential? Gray can’t play OL at 233 pounds in a P-5 conference, so they are assuming he will be great at 285lbs? Not sure how you give 4 stars with such an unknown. Sort of why I don’t get much into recruiting, so many never even make the field.
lady beavers down 11-0 early and Rueck got T’d up
he was upset about a bad call by the refs and rightfully so the foul should have gone the other way
after one ladies down 21-15 and the turn over bug is still with this team
At the half, not bad in the TO area. OSU=5, Tree=4 but the Beavs have 1 more point than tree off of TO’s. Agree, though, it looked like it was gonna get out of hand at one point.
Lady beavers down 28-27 at the half
LOL, Washington State you so crazy.
https://deadspin.com/washington-state-gives-community-service-award-to-playe-1822672812/amp
that is funny
“Pirates” swing their swords in mysterious ways.
Aaaand a no-call on cue that gifts the game to Stanford, Gullich hacked with a no-call on the possession fo rthe beavs to tie, even Rueck is getting robbed at home by the Pac12.
They must make sure the Beavs don’t interfere with the Nike/Ducks run to glory.
Just leaving Gill. Beavs lost because they couldn’t keep cards off the offensive boards in second half. Officials missed a couple of over the back calls but ultimately the beavs didn’t deserve to win this game…out coached, out hustled and out played….
I thought the turnovers were more damning than the offensive rebounds. Some of Stanford’s shots were so shitty it was sort of difficult to get position and anticipate were the ball was going to go. Some of the turnovers were unforced and horrific.
https://twitter.com/Big_Suke/status/959599954313469952
Brenda Tracy weighs in on the Eggers article, along with other media members. Saw Rathbone also comment negatively on the article.
How dare anyone provide more facts and nuance! The story behind the story should stay hidden! It gets in the way of today’s outrage culture! For shame! /s
I responded to her.
https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/959662820710268929
Nailed it.
See our gal Snell weighed in as well
200+?
Tracy’s new “aggressive” take is kind of interesting. I remember when the Heimlich story broke last year, the media went to her and she was somewhat measured in her response. I wonder what has changed?
Good luck trying to find a method to the SJW madness
She’s become more shrill
Is she tweeting the words “fake news” ad nauseum?
You can’t get more shrill than that.
Shrill seems to have become the new norm of discourse in our society. Yeah?
For anyone interested this was an earlier article by Eggers (it may have been posted here before) where he did a ton of research into juvenile sex offenders at the time this was blowing up. Many great points one can use when the emotionally clouded start calling for the execution of Heimlich.
I hope I’m wrong, but I get a gut feeling this might blow up further with protests and such at some of the games this year. There’s an element who do not care about facts such as juvenile versus adult application of the law and could use the games as a forum for their message. Heimlich staging a successful comeback, does not fit into the current societal narrative, even if he was a minor.
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/363027-243259-a-look-at-some-issues-involving-luke-heimlich-
Lindsay has an interesting memory of events
https://twitter.com/Lindsay_Schnell/status/959685899213717504
“Let’s be VERY clear about one thing: Eggers’ reporting outed the victim back in the spring. Oregonian didn’t identify her, he did.”
Somehow this is all Egger’s fault that people know the victim was related to Luke…….mmkay…
What dumb hole is she digging this out of?
Moran outed a young survivor for click-bait.
Period.
It would surprise me if coaches allow their team members to taunt. Will dear Brenda stand outside baseball stadiums with a protest sign? Possible.
Maybe Brenda and Canzano can go on tour together and advocate against exploitation of women….howwver, JC might first have to admit to Tracy that his salary was paid in part by the dolphinII strip club.
Will their tour at least still be sponsored by “The Dolphin 2”?
Can anyone explain why this is being propped up as NATIONAL news?
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/300023002
Some random dumbass student posting a racist dumbass pic is literally in my news feed above the Nunes memo, a historically bad day for the stock market, and Russian nuclear weapons development. You know, trivial inconsequential things like those.The press is a joke.
I don’t see anything on your list of any importance. Maybe the Dow, if you didn’t have the foresight last year to batten down that hatch. But fluffy bullshit sticks to fluffy bullshit.
Too bad we suck so bad.
You guys see Brights little brother has been offered by everyone in the country?
Would have been a neat deal to have another legacy.
Too bad you make no ducking sense.
Bright’s brother good.
OSU not good.
Good teams considered by good players.
Now go back to making fun of young women because of the way you think they look.
I quit hoping for the sibling conversion when they couldn’t land Bernard’s brother!
Who’s his brother?
Link to the recruiting profile.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/david-ugwoegbu-204628
5* tight end
For any of the media types who think this is all about their fake outrage, Eggers is simply providing news.
It’s what journalists do.
This news may be unliked by the fake outrage crowd, but it’s still news that was omitted (or more than likely lazily never uncovered). Eggers isn’t really telling any part of a story I didn’t hear last spring. This was all available as part of the facts on record at the time.
So the fake outrage “media” types who are so god damned lazy that they left facts behind in order to make this all about them and their fake outrage can go fuck themselves.
This is a serious subject with real life consequences for an entire family, not something you can tweet and retweet with fake outrage as if you’re more righteously affected by your own insufficient narrative than the family is by the truth.
THIS!
Holy shit, Jack, well done.
Well said, Jack!
Nice one, Jack.
Brenda Tracy is worked up.
https://twitter.com/brendatracy24/status/959826302944636928
https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/959829678176403456
The tit-for-tat is stupid.
Tell her it’s not about her. And I wouldn’t tell my daughter anything, because my daughter was thankfully never a victim of molestation as a child. I won’t pretend to know the situation, just as she shouldn’t pretend to know it based on her biased view of it.
She can “lalala I can’t hear you” all she wants about this case. But it’s still nothing like anything she ever experienced.
And anyone who wants to force their logic on this by saying he must be guilty or he never would have plead guilty must also use that logic to say that Brenda Tracy was never raped because she chose not to pursue her attackers through the legal system.
That’s how fucked up this is. Victimology is not exclusive.
I take that back.
Tracy was a victim of abuse as a child. Correct?
Maybe she should speak through that lens instead of distorting it with the violent crime of capus rape. That’s why I forgot about that part of her story.
I don’t know that you need to take anything back until she can show a basic understanding of the facts regarding Heimlich’s case. Because she unfortunately did not receive justice does not mean that justice was not served in this case, no matter how loud she shouts.
Maybe she should be asked what she would say to her son if he was in this situation.
It sounds like she would have to lock her own son up in the family basement forever since his successful rehabilitation and endorsement from the professionals involved hold less sway then Tracy’s faux outrage.
I sort of expected this because I think certain people in the media arrogantly thought Heimlich would silently slither away after the season ended. Never to return.
A reality has slapped them in the face, the OSU administration was being sincere, Heimlich would be welcomed back if that was his choice. Last season a distraction, this season fresh beginning. Price paid by a FUCKING MINOR, time to move forward.
Curious to see how the umps treat him/OSU. My guess is not well based off Omaha.
It’s become obvious that many want Heimlich to fail now that they realize he will be a key component of the team. I think it will manifest itself in different ways…..umpires, opposing fans, media, activists, etc. I wonder how truly prepared Heimlich, Casey and the team are for what may be coming?
My bad season prediction at the hands of vigilante umps and internal discord not looking so crazy now, eh?
I was speculating more about the external pressures, but it is certainly a unique situation for this years team. I’m hoping for the best and all can move on.
As far as umps go, who knows, they can only go so far without being blatant.
Internal discord, has that ever existed with Casey in charge?
This team is loaded and will perform as expected. If there is someone in the locker room causing problems Casey or Bails will get rid of them
You should e-mail Scott Barnes before it’s too late!
Yeah Greg Street may end up being the most generous of the lot.
If Tracy were honest and genuine about changing culture, she’d be serious about reform for victims and defendants alike. Usually these same people are outraged at prison costs.
I’d love to hear her actually say what a fair sentence would be instead of just being outraged
Exactly, and in this case……..”what would be a fair sentence for a juvenile”………since you obviously believe he deserves further punishment, Judge Tracy.
As the sentencing judge, BT would dismiss him from OSU and forbid MLB to draft him.
Read on Benny’s board that Oregon pulled Teagan Quitoriano’s offer. Anyone heard anything about this? Would OSU be interested if true?
You’d have to know why they pulled the offer. Was it because of him or did they hose him?
Curious why he didn’t sign in the early period when he had been committed for so long.
He was one of their lower ranked offers. And NB pointed out they signed a ton of receivers/TEs so maybe he was told/realized he might not see playing time.
Probably not getting the car, either….
Sadly, no apparently. But he may get to play and have college paid for if he makes a wise second choice.
I watched him play a Sprague several times in the past two years and I gotta say that I didn’t come away too impressed. That said, Sprague’s offense isn’t really built around TEs so that probably why he didn’t show up in the stats a lot. I’m not sure what to make of him. In basketball, he’s a tweener but he could potentially help OSU in basketball. Personally, I think he’s more of Portland State kind of talent than Pac12. I think he could be a very good player in basketball for PSU….He had OSU as one of his final schools before choosing the Schmucks. I don’t know if the OSU staff views his talent level the way the Schmucks did. I’ve met him at the gym, spoken with him, and he seems to be a real genuine, down to earth kid so that’s a big plus. I wouldn’t mind OSU giving him a shot but I don’t know if he’s got the skill set for Pac12 play.
There’s no such thing as an offense built around a TE.
He would help OSU
Comments on Andrew Nemec Facebook page hinted at some sort of hazing incident.
There was a story out of Sprague HS a couple years back about some basketball players doing something with a TV remote to another player.
I don’t know who had a role in that event though. Unlike the Luke case, the names are not public information, as they shouldn’t be.
http://www.kptv.com/story/36902826/salem-family-fights-to-change-sexual-harassment-policies-in-k-12-schools
Gray is a good commit. Has the frame and athleticism to play tackle.
Size is the biggest issue but a redshirt year should take care of that. Think his playing weight would be right around 290ish.
Highlight film didn’t show much pass pro so coaching him up will determine his potential.
Reading on Twitter and sounds like OSU is going to land Tago today. TazMan has made his decision and will announce tonight at 7:30. I hope it’s OSU and not TCU but signs pointing to TCU.
TCU isn’t part of the equation anymore
If that’s true, then it’s the Beavs because he was down to OSU, TCU and decided not to take visit to Nebraska (if I remember correctly). Unless he got a later offer from another school, does that mean it’s OSU? That would freaking awesome. I think the kid is going to be a game changer wherever he goes.
Where did you read TCU was out of the picture? Everything I’ve read had TCU the favorite landing spot early last week.
Swammi, are you confusing TCU with TTech?
Yes, it turns out I am. Thanks for pointing that out.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.frogsowar.com/platform/amp/2017/12/10/16759752/tazhawn-henry-decommits-class-of-2018-rb-is-opening-up-his-recruitment
Fwiw, i’m pretty sure we are not taking him. He’s going to Texas Tech.
Jaden Robinson was just offered a full ride at CB. He will be a Beav commit by the end of the weekend I would bet.
Maximum of 4 spots left by my count. Tago and Robinson take 2 of those. A WR(Hall/Hunt/Brown?)will probably take another.
Last spot is a total guess bit I think will be Brockermeyer.
No room for Tazahwn after that anyway.
I just watched some of brockermeyer’s film. Wow! Looks like a smart player that reads the play quickly and finds a way to get to the ball. Looks like an ideal tibesar linebacker. I was underwhelmed at first because of the offer sheet and rating but I would personally be happy about this guy.
I wish Henry well, but spend 90 seconds on his Twitter, and he does not appear to be low ego…
How good of a QB is Tago? Just curious with the talk about Frost recruiting for that position. If he’s a running QB he might be a nice change up as a Beaver. Goal line situations and stuff.
Collette was a situational running qb last year.
OT: Jacquori McLaughlin to UCSB. So we know it wasn’t grades.
He liked their mascot better?
The team is still not that good but they got much better once Jacquori left. I think he just didn’t get along with anyone here, which makes a bit of sense since he was originally a CRob guy. Tinkle desperately needs to land a PAC-12 caliber PG. Another whiff at that position may end up costing him his job
Isn’t this old news? It’s been on his Twitter for a while
They might have lower academic than OSU.
Dux getting crushed by Stanford 74-41 with still lots of time left. At least the beavs put up a fight vs Stanford. Oregon looks like OSU did last year….
It’s nice to see Altman faced with some adversity (couldn’t happen to a more sleazy guy), but the Beavs need to get a road win today. I’m tired of Tinkle’s quotes about the team “not being ready”. I think that’s an accountability of the head coach!
Agreed.
OT: WBB
Here is Rueck on why he got “T’d up” in the first four minutes yesterday:
“I’m trying to protect my post player from getting bad calls made against her,” … “I see it week after week.”
The frustration of losing a few which should have been W’s seems to be getting to him. Gonna come out fired up from the start next season.
I love that little guy.
Quite possible he doesn’t mind being called a little guy but I wish you wouldn’t. It’s irrelevant.
Tago is a beaver commit!
I can’t believe we won a hat picking contest. Matthew Tago commits.
It’s not signing day yet….lol
I think we won one last year. Who was that?
It was Calvin, who decommitted almost immediately, went to Nebraska, then left Nebraska amd signed with WSU
Didn’t that CB out of the bay area who didn’t qualify do it on live tv at the army all American game? I forget his name, maybe I’m thinking of Calvin? 4* kid who’s at a jc.
Anybody seen any Tago QB film?
You’d have to think if he had any sort of talent they’d give him a crack at if if that’s what he preferred.
I imagine frost offered it to him to land him, like us to Mason Moran.
Ta’zhawn Henry picks Texas Tech.
Well fuck him and his dumb name. We didn’t want him anyway!
Come on….let’s keep emotions in check. He’s just a kid.
I’m just messing around.
Okay. I sent Henry several tweets over the past 6 weeks or so, but I guess he didn’t trust me when I said TazMania and BeaverMania would make a great combo. What ya goin’ do when TazMania and BeaverMania run wild on you Brotherrr! I guess we’ll never know…
This is getting weird…
T Tech has one of the scumiest fan bases in CFB. Have fun.
Possible Swammi and his tweets to Henry is what pushed him to go to Tech?
You mean to tell me an 18 yo kid didn’t respond to hulk hogan references from before he was born?
Color me shocked…
You’re trying too hard man. If you’re going to be interacting with these high school kids, just toss out a go beavs or something. Tweeting at high school football players you don’t know is creepy enough as it is.
Jesus you are almost unbelievably dense
You don’t like him because he hurdled two guys on one play.
Shit, the Beavs have not scored in five minutes against fucking Cal. Announcers brought up the point that this team should have more wins than it does. Cal went on a 17-4 run and lead 36-28 at the half. This Beaver team has big problems.
They need Rueck as HC.
The refs are completely destroying this game with their inconsistent calls.
No kidding….
Any no one is surprised by that, par for the course. It is the very rare day when refs don’t influence and change the course of a Beaver game. Refs cannot be invisible during an OSU event.
Trust me….it’s worse live sitting courtside vs television.
I can’t watch games anymore. Wrote the Pac-12 about it and they simply don’t acknowledge the reality of these refs.
Teams now know that they can beat the crap out of us and not get called,,,,so they just keep it up.
If the Beavs lose this game I don’t really know what the defense is for Tinkle anymore. And I’ve been one of his strongest supporters. This team is just not coming together
How do you fire him though? Tres leaves and they’re a 5-27 team again. It seems like every game they play the opponent has a couple of men out there, the Beavs are all boys. No toughness. Berger is the best example of toughness out there and that’s not saying a lot.
Not just no toughness, these guys are weak and unathletic. Tres, Drew and Stevie have been on campus for 3 years and physically they still look like freshmen
It appears the uptick in play after JM left has worn off. This is a hugely disappointing year, but pretty predictable given the the lack of a decent lead guard. Unless he pulls a miracle grad transfer/ JC out of the hat, it will be a repeat of the same next year. Must we suck……every year?
“Tres leaves and they’re a 5-27 team again.”
Yeah, because what we have now is soooo much better. I’ve heard of the good being the enemy of the great, but this is like the putrid being the enemy of the bad.
How do people even bother showing up to Gill for the men’s team lately? Better fans than I.
I agree, it’s all pretty much shit if you don’t make the Big Dance, but last season was damn hard to watch. Like I’ve said many times, Wayne Tinkle has shown me nothing except for GP-2 and as everyone knows he was a CR recruit. Also, who the fuck are these recruiting sites who put TT and the Thompsons in the Top 100 as players?
19 consecutive road losses. Longest streak in the nation. I’ve been a supporter of Tinkle but I’m about to abandon that. I’m curious as to what their road record is over the last 4 years because I’d be shocked if there’s more than 10 total wins in there. I fail to understand why they perform so horribly away from Gill.
How do you lose to a team so horrible they hadn’t won any game in over a month? With the talent on this team there is no excuse for it. I’ve been saying for two years they need to go back to playing lock down D and slowing the pace of play as they did in Tinkle’s first year. Keep scores low and stay in games. Defense is all about effort. Or in this case, lack of.
Pretty amazing the tweets about Luke. Some people don’t understand the difference between rape and molestation. Yet according to those saying he raped the little girl, I’m the “effing idiot.”. Truly proves my point that people are too emotional about this to be objective or intelligent.
I don’t think the difference between rape and molestation is the main issue.
Yes I know that but people that say Luke raped shows they’re either uninformed, or don’t understand the legal definitions but are so emotionally charged they lose their ability to rationally think about the actual crime, sentencing, and Luke’s legal rights to live his life after successfully meeting all his legal obligations.
I think it is both uninformed and emotionally charged. Pretty typical SJW.
How’s this for lazy journalism, found in D1’s prediction that the Beavs are likely to make it to Omaha this year:
I added the BOLD there.
Donahue has moved up(?) to Cubs, and Luke hasn’t had an “off field” issue during his time at OSU…….I just thought it was a poor way of stating things.
So what is D1 Baseball suggesting? Should Heimlich get in a time travel machine and go back to when he was 15 (if he even committed the act) to “clean up the off-field antics”. Did you comment on that idiotic statement to D1?
I didn’t comment back to D1, not a subscriber and don’t twitter/facebook.
The author is Eric Sorenson, I presume he has twitter.
Link to the piece:
https://d1baseball.com/season-preview/five-locks-omaha-2018/
Jack, what do you think of Tago’s QB film? Maybe not a pumpkin lobber, bread loaf? His throws have a bit of a different trajectory and tend to drop quickly after their zenith…
Warning Angry, he hurdled somebody on the first highlight. On subsequent highlights he likes spin moves… have to say his hurdle wasn’t too smooth, but was effective on that play.
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/4534171/5a3179b264deb809ec4af797
He’s a big strong dude and he plays like it.
That was one of the most fun QB tapes I’ve ever watched.
Weirdly intriguing.
Are we supposed to give him a shot at QB, or is he going to be one of Tibesars attack dogs?
Reminds me of the kid that just played QB at CU for our new OC. Kid has some good balance.
After watching the tape I’d prefer they redshirt him and work on that footwork as a QB but it sounds like he is a LB at OSU.
Is he talented enough to play as a true freshmen LB? I liked watching him QB, man among boys. Can I dare say, raw unpolished Roethlisberger is who he reminded me of.
Agreed, Trent Bray was his primary recruiter. I think he’s the next great OSU LB. Tago notes several times the UN was the only school recruiting him as a QB
Even if he is talented enough to play as a true frosh LB if you think you can make him into a QB you have too. Sounds like that isn’t the plan but it better not be because they think he is a good enough LB to play now.
I just watched it again and I agree, I’ve always liked a big bruiser Moevao/Masoli type QB for the college game. Tago looks like he could take both of them apart. I think he needs his shot at QB.
And he’s a good five inches taller than either one of them. I’m drawing a blank, but I think one of the Mountain West teams had a guy playing LB and QB at different times this past season.
Were any of his offers to play QB?
I found him intriguing. He looked like a LB playing QB, yet every throw was impressive in some way whether it be accuracy, touch, or arm strength.
Frost offered him to play QB at Nebraska.
Nice. Wonder if he wants to be a LB instead? Maybe he likes D better and that’s where we offered him.
I’d like to see him at QB to begin. Intriguing.
Anybody seen the concussion video linked in this article? Pretty interesting:
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-appearances/a-haunting-video-of-every-concussion-reported-during-the-current-nfl-season
I don’t engage in mudslinging with Brenda Tracy, but this comment was pretty on point.
https://twitter.com/ThatJasonYoung/status/960182618946879488
That’s a great comment and one that we’ve been pointing out here also. I don’t get why Tracy wants to make noise regarding Heimlich specifically unless it’s just to keep her name out there. Heimlich’s situation has little to do with hers or the “me too” movement. She makes it sound like Luke is currently raping and pillaging his way through the Mid-Valley as we speak. And I’m still puzzled as to why people cannot understand the legal distinctions between a minor and an adult? Is it that difficult?
No body who’s commenting really cares?
The blow hards (Brenda included) are just using it to make noise and keep their name out there/be interesting.
Rival fans and/or teams we play against are just commenting to sling mud and talk down the competition with a holier than thou shtick.
I’m not sure I”m following you. I hope this does not blow up and become a distraction, but “the blowhards” have already started to gain traction and many are established members of the media. I wouldn’t take it lightly. I think their goal is to get Heimlich off of the team once and for all.
Meant *don’t care about facts
Got it, makes sense.
I’m disgusted with how our society is no longer about truth and justice but about 15 minutes of fame. Eggers story has shown a lot of light on this concerning Luke. 4 lie detector tests in all, all indicating he did not do it at least as accused. And now he gets linked to something that really happened that in no way should involve his name coming up. Sad.
I don’t do Twitter very well, but it looks like Angry is doing just fine in rebutting her. I read something (can’t find it now) where she was equating Heimlich to a having a history as a violent sexual offender. Huh? And also, according to “Tracy justice”……Luke can be a productive member of society, but he can’t play sports. Huh, again? I would venture a guess, that Tracy has not researched this case.
I guess we need to make a law now that juvenile sexual offenders can work at 7-11 after serving their sentence and that’s about it.
I don’t think she’s used to people questioning her on Twitter, and interestingly more and more people are doing that. Hopefully my comments help people step up and question her more.
She is painfully uninformed regarding this specific case, but my guess is that she’s too arrogant to acknowledge the corner she has painted herself in to.
It’s interesting because I think The Oregonian got her “expert opinion” when this story first hit and she was pretty bland in her comments. I wonder what is driving this activism now?
Thats good. Been thinking she isn’t really helping her cause or herself by using a tin ear/mouth. And I’m a person who appreciates what she’s done wrt her own assault.
Md’s and lawyers will shut their mouths when they realize they are outside their areas of expertise. I wish this juvenile case wasn’t a public discussion; think it impairs the healing of the people involved.
Bill, none of the polygraphs were in regards to his niece though. The last 3 were specific to his probation and per the story they were prohibited from asking about his niece in the initial polygraph. Sounds like the family and attorney errored by not having questions specific to his niece included.
From the story:
In May 2012, Luke’s sexual history was obtained via clinical interview and a sexual history polygraph conducted by Rick Minnich, chief examiner of Minnich Polygraph Services of Burien, Washington.
Minnich was prohibited from asking any question directly related to Luke’s niece.
From the report:
“It was the opinion of Mr. Minnich that Luke was truthful when he answered ‘no’ to the following questions: ‘Not to include (the niece), have you engaged in sexual conduct with any member of your family?’ And, ‘Not to include (the niece), have you engaged in sexual contact with anyone else more than two years younger than you?'”
Polygraph tests often are used to determine the veracity of suspects or witnesses, and to monitor criminal offenders on probation. Luke and his parents would have welcomed the opportunity for a polygraph asking questions directly related to his niece, but their attorney said polygraph results are inadmissible in Washington court, and he advised against asking Luke specific questions.
Quit responding to her – adding fuel to the fire.
She has a strong platform (especially in Oregon). She needs to be rebutted when she is factually incorrect or makes inflammatory statements. I believe she showed her hand today when she said that Luke should not be allowed to play sports.
How does pointing out her logical flaws or ignorance add fuel to the fire?
I don’t think “pointing out her logical flaws or ignorance” changes anyone’s mind – facts, legal determination, and reason fail to deter her. Conversely, I don’t believe she has changed anyone’s opinion – responding to her creates more opportunity to blather on.
If she’s ignorantly acting out on her own then I wouldn’t think the debate needs to go on much longer, but if she’s a player in a larger concerted effort to get Heimlich off the team then I think she needs to be countered when and where she can be.
This is a good article. Always said the Beavs need to run their organization like the Minnesota Twins, et al. Small market teams need efficiency. A wasted scholarship at OSU is a bigger deal than a miss for USC.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/could-bill-belichicks-grasp-on-economics-be-the-key-to-the-patriots-success
Interesting read. I would like to see how the Patriots perform post Brady to get the long view on this. I think his unique abilities might throw a statistical wrench into this a little with QB being the most important position on a NFL team. I know they still went 11-5 in his injured season (somehow missed the playoffs), so maybe the economic efficiency will continue. It seemed to have hit a wall with my Oakland A’s!
Garoppolo looks to be a beast. They were setup nicely to keep it rolling before that fell apart.
I know. Cassel was sort of a bust after he left the Patriots. If Brady is going to play until he’s 45, we may never know!
Trump likes golden showers.
Will Oracle Tracy share her list of approved and disapproved activities for adjudicated minors, who have complied with the court system, and are deemed low risk for repeat offense? She shouldn’t hog all that divine wisdom for herself. Since playing sports is off the list what dreams can such people chase?
If she’s feeling extra benevolent maybe she could enlighten us ignorant masses on how many hours of the day such youth should be allowed out from under their rock she wants them to hide under.
I wanted to ask her if Luke could play slow-pitch softball or is that pushing it?
He’s ok to do whatever he wants, so long as he isn’t successful at it
Bingo.
Maybe it depends on if he’s any good at slow-pitch softball?
Oracle Tracy uses an attractive Twitter pic but has revealed her inner ugliness. The ugliness of a woman who carries her victimhood like a spiked shield to protect herself from criticism and attack those who disagree.
It’s sad that she has suffered horrible tragedies. It’s also sad she has let them completely define her and warp her into a person consumed by vengeance. One who would allow no second chances for minors. One who cannot fathom that the legal system is not only flawed against victims at times, but also against the accused. Without commenting on the Heimlich case in particular, I would not be surprised if she thinks Brian Banks and the Duke Lacrosse team should all be rotting in prison right now.
A tragic tale of a tragic life that has so much potential for good and helping others but has sadly gone over the edge. She is hurting her credibility and that of her cause at this point.
I sort of think Tracy feels empowered by the “me too” movement and has been mentally lazy in trying to apply it to Luke’s case. It’s not even close to being equivalent to what she experienced as an adult or what men in power have done to women.
Is he allowed Starbucks or must the best part of waking up be Folgers in his cup?
Luckily for Luke, the 8th Amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
Any news on Nikko Hall? Saw machado not mentioning him for remaining two potential commits. We offere Robinson so does that mean we think Hall is not coming to us? Thanks
I noticed over the weekend several more OSU coaches have started following Hunt, as if they’re concentrating all of their efforts towards landing him( would make a nice little storyline too if they could beat out Nebraska and the coach of the year for 2 guys)
I havent seen any effort put in towards landing Hall. I do think he was an OSU commit around the early signing period, but who knows what he’s thinking now. Visited Colorado State over the weekend.
I suppose OSU could still land him with their final spot, but having a roster spot open to potentially land a grad transfer RB this offseason might be a better used of the final scholarship, because they would have that spot open again for a 2019 recruit they’re more focused on landing, after the grad transfer plays 1 year.
Thanks me for the update. I haven’t heard them even reference Hall lately either. I would think Hall would like Tago coming and Hunt potentially joining the class. I don’t want to give up on a guy and lose them to Colorado state!! Never k ow the vibes coaches get though on a guy.
https://huskercorner.com/2018/02/03/nebraska-football-pulling-direction/
Good ol’ Riley leaving another program in shambles.
“Most people knew there were problems with the Nebraska football team before Scott Frost said it. Still, when the new head coach makes comments about how people aren’t all pulling in the same direction, it makes people take notice.”
Given Mail-It-In Mike’s lack of fire, I’m impressed they were pulling in ANY direction.
They were pulling in the direction of the nearest In-N-Out Burger.
Cooks offseason has began assuming he is alive…holy fuck that was a hit
I was hoping he could make up for the dumbass hurdle he made. Hope he’s ok.
Luck o’ the Beavs?
F’ing Patriots get the one in a million TD saving INT.
I know, my son was saying no harm, just like a punt. I said Tom “fucking” Brady will drive down and score, just watch.
Foles, Pats backup Brian Hoyer, and Kirk Cousins all on the same Sparty roster. Crazy.
What?
Foles was at Michigan State and transferred to AZ.
Oh I didn’t realize that.
Wow. What play all on the two point conversion!
Wasn’t a 2 point conversion play, it was 4th and goal.
Six point conversion!
Looked like Seumalo’s blocking helped a lot on Blount’s TD run. Nice to see Isaac getting some snaps, I know he’s not a starter.
Beavs lady beat Cal.
Ducks lose to Furd.
*Lady Beavs
Cal called for TWICE as many PF’s as the Beavs! And Rueck didn’t have to take a “T”…..today.
Many here miss having Mandy on the sideline, but it is worth noting that Rueck said the Beavers today followed assistant coach Katie Baker’s game plan to a T. This per the story in the GT.
Tinkle underperforming. Offense has no raw determination and defense too complacent. Time for excuses is over. Eubanks, Thompson Jr, Tinkle Jr and team is little better on the road.
Oregon State sports culture too soft in the Major sports. 1/10 the fire of the Fiesta Bowl Beavs and basketball legacy eroding too damn quickly.
I wonder if we will see the glow of Philly burning from oregon?
My head hurts.
Hit so hard you forgot how to spell your name eh.
Hope your ok beav wr goat
At least you didn’t forget to tuck it.
Props for not fumbling
That old saying “Act like you’ve been there before?” Philadelphia apparently never heard it….but, in fairness they’d never won it all during the super bowl era….
Amazing all those fans living vicariously through the team and acting out destructively feel like winners.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42943824
So predictable.
I’m planning on burning down my house if the Beavs or Gophs ever win a Rose Bowl. Why wouldn’t ya?
Yeah I’m planning on running in to town and burning down my shop. Cuz football and shit.
Dont know his name, but I think it was the Eagle who stripped Tom Brady of the ball late in the 4th. He was being interviewed last night on the radio and said something like. “I hope they burn that city down tonight. Our fans deserve this!”
I know he was just excited and wanted the fans to have a good nigjt celebrating, but you’d think a professional would choose his words more carefully.
Do you get an extreme discount when you tell that plan to your insurance agent? Is this a way we can get almost free fire insurance?
It’s pretty sad, because this is a great accomplishment for the Eagles and they deserve the recognition, but they’ll always be in the shadow of their fans’ behavior.
Just like the team 40 miles south….
Jaden Robinson verbally committed this morning, so we’re on Andre Hunt watch now.
Also received a message today from someone I’ve met at a recent game who told me his son was invited down for a visit this weekend and got the news that’s he’s being offered a PWO spot. Should also be committing today. They had already beem familiar with OSU through the prior staff and a friend on the team, but had given up hope after the coaching change and committed elsewhere. Said
^^PWO is listed as a DE/DT, but most likely mot big enough for DT at this level, so I would guess DE or even TE possibly.
Did Robinson fill the last available slot? This class actually shaped up pretty decently, better that it looked like a month ago anyway.
2 scholarships left by my count. 1 is hopefully going to be Hunt. The other I could see used to pick up a grad transfer at RB or some other position of need later in the offseason. Good to have a spot left for that flexibility in case a Thomas Tyner becomes available like last year.
Awesome to hear, would expect CJS to support a strong PWO program, and glad it’s working out for this young man. LOVE the emphasis on DL and OL. Any word on that other kid, with the Army offer?
Nothing new with that kid. Hunt is the priority at WR, so I dont expect to hear anytbing about Brown unless we decide we REALLY need another WR before signing day and Hunt goes elsewhere
“Now, go Beavs — they’re finishing this recruiting cycle with what seems like a whimper” -Angry
Do we still feel like this? Or are the latest commitments enough to make this class salvageable?
It could have ended up worse than it did, but it’s still not a fantastic class. Adding Hall or Hunt would help, especially because we don’t know who from the current WR depth chart will still be around in the Spring/Fall.
My biggest concerns:
-No impact JC DL’s
-Our QB depth chart still doesn’t look encouraging
Coming off a 1-11 year with a coaching change, I’d say that anyone with realistic expectations are generally pretty pleased with how its turned out.
Tago and Gray are impressive gets.
Popular metrics (based on stars, avg. quality of player, etc.) says this class will be between 60-80 nationally.
As far as “what” they are recruiting I’m encouraged; it feels as if they readily identified what was needed & made an effort to fill those slots. Perhaps being an opponent in the same division helped with gaining a sense of this more quickly.
I also liked the amount of social media activity I saw post early signing in terms of travel, recruiting, and liaison by this staff.
I don’t think the Luke antagonists can really digest what Eggers wrote. They seem to have a problem reading the high praise a judge, a court-appointed therapist and a probation officer all had for him. Those of you in these professions help me out here. It’s my understanding that the system is geared to come down hard on people accused of child molestation. It’s so understood that the courts are this way, that innocent people plead guilty all the time.
But what they don’t do is then come back and praise the people who claim innocence in the face of a guilty plea. I’ve seen judges get red-faced about people who claim innocence during probation. Some seem to take it as a slap in the face.
Therapists are trained to see these people for who they are. Luke’s, I’m sure, is skilled in seeing the non-apology apology for what it is and how it’s given. I’m guessing s/he has seen it all and would write properly the sentiment the court should convey when dealing with his case.
In other words, the same system that is bound to punish him by its very mandate is taking the time to praise him while he defies his own plea.
You just don’t see this in our judicial system. It’s as close to the system admitting that he was unjustly put between a rock and a hard place as you can get.
Then you have people I would otherwise think were rational coming out and posting stuff like this:
https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/959243675309047808
I’m not sure why Rogers thinks this some “readmitting guilt” on Luke’s part. He can write that first sentence himself. I can write it.
I have taken responsibility for my conduct when i was a teenager.
There. I did it. What, Kendall, did I admit to doing? Did I admit to nothing? Umm… yeah.
But people see this from the bias of their own filters first. I’m a little confused by some of you here. Many who are on the right side of this situation now just don’t know how to be on the right side because of the very language that you’ve developed when being on the wrong side of parallel situations. It’s a strange dichotomy. Even Brenda Tracy stepped in this one when she attacked Christianity, though, I believe that was not her intent.
Bottom line, the judicial system was in a hurry to make Luke’s adjudication go away as quickly as could be done. Those who ignore the system that so readily forgives him cannot use the same system who adjudicated him to make only that point, and vice versa.
Well said, Jack. That is what I was getting at back on the 1st when I suggested someone with twitter/facebook might point out KR’s lack of reading comprehension. You said it better.
I would feel terrible if I am wrong, but I believe Luke did exactly what Eggers described. It sounds like the easier, lower risk option to just go ahead and plead guilty. The courts cut deals like that all the time. I think I would have fought it, but who knows what the thinking is when it involves family. His parents likely encouraged him to take the plea deal. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I also seem to remember one article that mentioned that the kid involved had no memory of it. It would probably be pretty easy for a vindictive mother to lead a little kid into accusing someone of something like that. A 5 year old has very little sense of the claims they are making.
Regarding KR and others who want Luke to come out and make a statement as to his innocence, he may not be legally allowed to as a condition of the plea agreement. Admitting wrongdoing is a stipulation of a plea deal. If you later deny it, especially publicly, you may find the court system coming after you again. So to get around this, they can provide the reporter with information like the reports Eggers quoted, and let Eggers / the readers draw their own conclusion.
I agree with you except to say none of us were standing in his parent’s shoes at the time and if we were maybe we would have listened to the stupid advice of the lawyer too. I would bet the parents have plenty of regret about right now.
The Eggers article said as much. “Since the 2012 court proceedings, Luke’s father has had experts of law tell him there were legal options he didn’t know were available at the time. Had he known what he knows now, he likely would have sought a different attorney. Given the risks and the circumstances, if he could have accomplished that without putting his granddaughter through turmoil, he would have changed the decision to have Luke agree to a guilty plea.”
I think it’s ridiculously telling that, according to the State of Washington, Luke can be around his niece, but her mother can’t, except for designated periods or with permission from her father.
It’s really hard to buy coincidences like this.
Come on Jack, professional opinion and action does not factor in to heartfelt “causes”. One crime fits all. I don’t think any of them took the time to read Egger’s article. They are attacking him for presenting facts.
Nice job gathering all of the thoughts we wish we could concisely put into words, and actually doing it. Very well I might add.
I really hope Eggers will dig into the Gary Andersen story. He’s the only sports journalist willing to go beyond the surface. Hell, he’s the only local sports journalist who’s actually a journalist.
If there were an actual story to be told, it would have been told by now. You should know by now that anything nefarious would be on the grapevine like wildfire if it occurred. But you’re clinging to a soggy campfire that never got started for some hope of… what?
It’s interesting that GA wanted to quit about a month before he did so but was made to stay by Barnes until it was untenable. Other than that, there’s not much there there. There’s only a really bad coaching staff that is no longer here.
“If there were an actual story to be told, it would have been told by now.”
Absolutely not true. I’ll agree on the bad coaching staff, though.
I don’t read or hear your telling of this story you say must exist.
It must be highly compelling.
Hey Jack, what’s your opinion on Tago as a college QB?
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/4534171/5a3179b264deb809ec4af797
Heh heh… it reminds me of the old tape of Marcus Allen playing QB in HS. He looks like a giant stomping around a bunch of kids. He does make two nice throws–one at about 2:30 on the run and one at about 4:10. But he looks more like a Derrick Henry at RB or an Anthony Barr at OLB type player.
Where would Urban Meyer play him?
“WWUMPH?”
WWUD?
Is Urban Andersen’s Jesus? Gasp! Did Andersen actually have that thought?!?
He probably went to look into his visor and saw Urban across the field….
I hope they give him a shot at QB. The size differential between him and defenders obviously wouldn’t be so great in the PAC, but it’d be interesting to see OSU playing a beast of a QB like him with a power running game.
I looked at the highlight tape; could people who are favorable to Tago as QB mention what they find encouraging in it?
Did he experience pressure on any of the throws?
Did he have to read through progressions?
Were any of the kinds of passes he made, technically difficult for a QB to do?
He’s not a QB. He’s just the best athlete on the field.
He’s scariest as a LB. He looks like a predator with scary closing speed out there. I honestly don’t know what kind of arbitrary ratings system looks at him on tape and rates him out as average. You don’t even need to tag him to know who you’re supposed to be watching.
With regard to recruiting….given the beavers hired a completely new staff after the season ended and coming off one of their worst seasons in something like 20 years, I’m not sure what some fans expected. GA destroyed this program from inside out by running off players, inability to evaluate talent, and outing together an abysmal staff. Smith is finding the right pieces and Spears to be building this program from the trenches out….it all starts with the O and D lines. QB is a huge issue but GA ran off the best one we had. This rebuild will take at least 3-4 years to become competitive again. If he can get it turned around faster, that would be considered by most as a miracle. So, is this class thin on star power?..of course it is but bringing in the right players piece by piece is the best he can do at this point. So far, I thinks he’s done about as good a job as could be expected.
It’s football. It’s not rocket surgery.
If this rebuild takes 3-4 years just to be competitive, then 9 isn’t a good coach. There’s plenty of experienced talent starving to be put in the right places to succeed. There are some obvious weaknesses. This was apparent to GA and led to him quitting. If he couldn’t take reasonable talent and be at least competitive, he had no business being a head coach. I will say the same of 9, if that also passes.
Well, just looking at last year’s performances, I can’t imagine how anyone thinks this can be turned around in less than 3-4 years. You say this isn’t rocket science. well, no shit. Trying to convince “plenty of that experienced talent” to come to Corvallis on the heels of a 1-11 season and completely new staff isn’t an easy task especially if you’ve never been a head before. My definition of being competitive doesn’t even mean having a winning season. It means being in games that are potentially winnable. Getting recruits into a new system, coaching up the talent, building depth, and getting a quality QB in the system with experience isn’t going to happen overnight. If the Beavs are lucky, they get 3 wins in 2018 and then who knows in 2019. If Smith turns this thing around and has the Beavs competitive in less than 3 years, that will be a miracle.
You ever used a paragraph before buddy?
Yes.
We should have been competitive last year. We were really young and had some obvious weaknesses. But we should have been competitive with the talent on hand and the experience they were forced to have in 2016. Now they have another season under their belts and are hungry to put it to good use.
If a new coach can’t take advantage of this situation to win at least four or five games and be in a handful more, then that coach was the wrong hire according to real expectations.
If you want to lower those expectations because you perceive extreme weakness in our new coach (for whatever reason), that’s on you. 9 doesn’t bring a new direction if the direction remains the same. I think this is what killed GA’s spirit early last season. A new facility should have put us on an upswing with a competent coaching staff leading that talent last year. It’s there for the taking, it being the already low expectation of just getting to a bowl game to sate the OSU-downtalkers.
You’re forgetting GA was the coach and McGive-a-rip was the OC. The DC was lacking in scheme work as well. We had players who gave up just like GA did.
I feel like I am willing to lend a little more currency to the current staff than Jack is that if the team competitive isn’t within a 3-4 year time frame, then Coach Smith definitively isn’t good.
But, Coach Smith himself also has publicly characterized the roster as not being far off. This makes Jack’s assessment above stronger.
There’s no debating GA brought in a different type of athlete. The team by and large is longer, leaner, stronger and more athletic then what Riley left behind. I’m not even sure I can say that position coaches failed. If you look at the players individually they ofter times do the right thing.
Our schemes sucked, play calling sucked, the players didn’t play as a unit, and we have no QB.
Good coaching will fix 3 out of 4, and a better scheme to play to the strengths we have will help whoever the QB is.
The team is not far off, accept for the uncertainty at the pumpkin lobbing position.
Agreed, I think that’s an accurate assessment.
I am looking forward to how different the players and units look under this staff. I expect to see a big improvement in tackling and in teamwork.
This recruiting class to me, excites me for 2 reasons:
1) O-line and D-line have been lacking in depth/true players(we have 2 OT, 1 OG, 2 DT, and 1 WDE)
2) They have signed 1 QB and have 1 committed JC QB who will play 3 years in 4 years, meaning he could start right away, with experience playing college ball, we redshirt him and throw Willard, Moran, or Blount to the wolves at tOSU in September. Depending on how Colletto and other JC’s do, 3 early enrollees as well. The players not be “high stars”, but the method and knowledge of what positions to recruit as a new staff, is the impressive part to me.
That Tago film is interesting. He can throw the ball a mile pretty accurately. Running he doesn’t look fast but a lot of the defenders take bad angles. On defense it looks like he plays a freelancing Rover position. Can he play in a scheme? Certainly fun to watch.
Maybe Mike Riley would be interested in a position at Willamette university if the rumors are true
http://www.kgw.com/article/life/food/in-n-out-is-scouting-locations-in-salem/283-514962826
Hey nicebeav what are the chances we land hunt in your opinion??
New PWO verbal commit mentioned ealier today is up. DE Conner Warick out of Lacey, WA(played there with Jaelen Bush)
6’5″ DE. Has been told he needs to put on some 20+ lbs because the coaches want to keep him at DE.
https://twitter.com/That_Tall_Guy66/status/960706143763836928
With Nikko Hall committing to Colorado State is it possible his OSU offer wasn’t committable anymore or did we really lose out?
That’s disappointing he picked MWC over the PAC
How do you turn the ignore feature off? It’s blocking Jack and I’ve never clicked ignore for anyone.
I’ve had the same issue and I’ve never ignored him either. I actually like the guy, which I’m not sure if that reflects worse on me or him. I’ve had to close my browser out and then login again to correct it in the past.
You probably fat fingered it.
Don’t think I’ve blocked anyone but see how it could be easy to accidentally do.
No help with your problem, just an observation.
Should be an “x” by everyone’s name. If you click it, it mutes them. If you click it again, they’ll be back
I get it every now and then too. I’m paranoid enough to just chalk it up to having a special breed of amoral haters.
;)
Close and re-open the browser, and it should go away.
I see you now.
Can you make money breeding amoral haters?
About $600 a pop… minus spaying or neutering costs.
Awesome! I’ll give it some thought….
I’d like to see a post-signing day post about Smith vs GA in their first recruiting session seeing as both got a late start and had to scramble to put a class together. Seems to me that Smith has done a better job, but I can’t remember what GAs class looked like and am too lazy to look into it myself
Memory serves: GA had less time. Got hired later in December and if you don’t count dead period only had like a month.
He had some more impressive athletes, but several never really made on to campus or transferred after year 1 (Paul Lucas, Taylor Thomas, Christian Faolu, Simi Moala). GA’s downfall: only QB taken was Seth the Great.
We have some player in that class though: DeCoud, Brandel, Jalen Moore, Jay Irvine, Togai (if he remembers how to catch), Elu (if he gets in shape)
That class had better raw athletes, but this may have better football players who will be contributors 2-3 years from now.
12 players were 3*, 9 were 2*, 2 had no stars. Smith has so far 20 3* players and a few PWO’s I’d say Smith had the better first season in recruiting, but how many signed because they committed to GA in the season vs after the season? Then how many recommitted where Smith had to go recruit new recruits?
https://oregonstate.rivals.com/commitments/football/2015
Not sure if you’re doing it on purpose but it looks like you’re using Rivals ratings for 2015 and Scout/247 for 2018 (which is more generous).
According to 247/Scout 2015 had 19 3*, 1 2* and 1 unrated JC.
Same site for for 2108 is 20 3*
Rivals had 2105 at 12 3*, 9 2* and 2 Unrated
Rivals for 2018 has us at 12 3* and 8 2*
Gotta keep is consistent if you’re trying to make a comparison. DeCoud was one of the 2*. Gotta love that start system.
You’re better off flipping a coin
I don’t pay close attention to the star ratings. So many of our guys had zero or 2 stars before we offered/signed them and then suddenly they were elevated up to a 3*. Look at how many guys are a Rivals 5.4-5.6. Every single guy. The scale is worthless when they’re basing their ratings on which teams offer guys.
https://oregonstate.rivals.com/commitments/football/2018
JC guys often get penalized and lose a star when they go that route. Unless they get an offer from Oregon, at which point they get elevated to a 4* “Top JC OLineman in the country”
George Moore last year was a 3* middle of the road OLineman till he got that late offer from Oregon and got bumped up to 4* while Nemec would use the quote above.
Give me a break. If he was the top JC OLineman in country, how did he barely manage to crack their rotation last year?
It wasn’t on purpose. I was scrambling this morning, but wanted to get my idea out there in regards to what you posted DWill. “I didn’t lose, I just ran out of time.”
Is Shawn Elliott a PWO or scholarship? He looks like a decent OL on film. Plays low, good feet. His highlights were mostly him pancaking smaller guys, but the technique (to my mostly untrained eye) looked good.
I thought he was the new HC at Georgia State.
I thought he was a small forward for the San Antonio Spurs in the ’90s. Does he have any eligibility left?
Probably still has a better vertical than ST and Tres.
ST and Tres would be towards the bottom of our Women’s roster with their verticals
Looks like the OL plan is to recruit lean guys and bulk them up with muscle, rather than flabby guys that need to lose fat and gain muscle. Agree with that NiceBeav?
I’m not sure if it was targeted recruiting towards leaner guys or just simply those were the body types of the guys we landed.
Xavier Delgado is an example of a bigger/flabbier guy we had in for a recent visit. He was around 320lbs I believe. We just didn’t land him.
Thx. Probably better to put weight on guys that are already in shape than to get a blob in shape and replace flab with muscle. Go Beavs.
Agreed….lean cut, is better than fatty select — unless you talkin’ about bacon.
Where’s the beeeeefff?
Michalczik mentioned in an interview that he doesn’t mind OL with athleticism that need to bulk up a bit. He didn’t say it was his preference, but once these kids get on a D1 nutritional and strength program they gain weight “the right way.”
Regarding recruits and this class: I am glad there aren’t any 5′ 7″ neat deals, though we are back to the undersized OL hopefuls that need 40 lbs and coached up.
Men’s BB is a travesty of no heart or belief. Coaches kids who seem unable to bring out the best in the team, Eubanks still like a big puppy at times, no breaks ever by refs, turnovers and timely fouls change games. Wasted year without a true PG from the start. I think Tinkle gambled and it blew up on him.
OSU baseball isn’t even fun to think about because of the SJW nonsense that will be piled on from every ignorant part of the country. Kendall Rogers is only the beginning no matter how much we hope it is over, it is only beginning, and will probably overwhelm the University by the end of spring, not because of any facts, but pure emotion driven hate and rage. It is sad to not really want to see baseball start because the Beavs and Luke espoecially will be in for a long season of taunts, abuse, and aggravation from fans, teams, umps, and eventually the conference, ESPNSEC, and OSU admin once they buckle under the pressure.
The argument about OL is pretty absurd, hate to break it to you but you don’t see many college ready OL in high school. Most need to put on weight. It’s pretty normal
If baseball gets blowback it’s not a SJW issue. It’s a reflection of our cultures inability to have a dialogue about sex related issues combined with it’s attitudes toward criminal behavior. Sex offenses combine these two, and sex offenders are supposed to disappear somewhere and live in isolation so we can continue on without really confronting the larger problem. Having someone who was an adjudicated sex offender be successful in a public arena creates a massive collision of two worlds.