29.May.2012 What do Oregon State, Indiana, and Iowa State Have in Common?

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They're the only three major conference schools without a verbal commitment.

It's refreshing to see the sense of urgency on the recruiting trail.

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  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Queue the Beaverbyte post stating the same but with different wording in 3……2……1……

    • angry angry says:
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      And a not so subtle link!
      Next thing you know his link font will be pink and blinking ala porn sites.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        i wouldn’t know anything about what those links look like…..

        • angry angry says:
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          Translation: Mrs. Ncaa Violation reads angrybeavs

          • Jack says:
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            Are we saying there’s a downside to googling “beaver sports” all the time?

  • Jack says:
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    Considering our first commit last year didn’t end up here… yippee?

    Stanton was the only commit we had before June who stuck. End of June is always our pick-up time.

    • angry angry says:
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      Wallace was the first commit last year. He signed…I think in early April? And Keith Heyward signed him. That puts OSU two months behind last year with a 60 something year old DB coach, instead of Keith, recruiting guys. I don’t see how we can spin no commits as a good thing and just assume the talent will be there come late June (or even next February). Recruiting takes on a momentum of it’s own, too. Players recruit players. When you have nobody committed, they can’t do that.

      • Jack says:
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        Understood. Still, recruiting never really picked up until Isaac came on board in late June. Andrews is the only player of consequence I think we got in the time previous. I think the other two can prove me wrong, but they have an uphill battle.

        We always fret over this aspect. And I’m not saying it’s bad to fret over it. Better recruiting schools just do better. That’s a fact. But changing the timing is the lesser of many variables I’m looking for. I’m going to concentrate on quality this year. And I won’t argue against anyone who thinks we can do better here or there. Well, I won’t argue against whether or not we can, but the OSU staff puts their own limitations on themselves. So I won’t argue against those.

        We always know that late June/early July is the time we get a half dozen or so recruits.

        Will they be the right ones?

      • Jack says:
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        And I have to wonder how much Keith sold OSU if our first commit decided this wasn’t the place for him.

  • ean says:
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    Good to see we are clearing scholarship space for all these recruits we are landing.

  • slamadam says:
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    this is the type of thing a certain mediocre oregonian columnist would write 5000 words about, if he were aware of it.

  • Fightingbeaver says:
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    Mediocre describes Riley and BDC. It’s like MR doesn’t even care what happens. I think the joke is on us folks. Most recruits want to go to a winning team or at least a competitive team anyway.

  • bone says:
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    Right now I don’t think that this is that big of a deal right now, there is a lot of time between now and February. Things can change. But not the best company to be in with those other teams.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    Couldn’t we take this as a somewhat positive sign? The majority of big time recruits aren’t making it official this early, the two and low three stars are mainly what you are getting at this point. Or, the high three stars that commit and often sign with someone else when they get those better offers.

    • angry angry says:
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      If your saying we’d rather have no commits than bad commits, then I agree with you, but most schools have good prospects committed right now.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        I think the problem is because of our depth, we don’t have any positions of need where a player could feel like they’d have a chance to play as a freshman.

        i kid….i kid….

      • sparkyd73 says:
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        That is exactly what I’m saying Angry. Riley could have plenty of verbals from players that don’t have other options. I’m not saying that it is good that we don’t have verbals yet. All I’m saying is that I’d rather have none than bad ones, so it may not be time to jump just yet.

        • angry angry says:
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          I’d rather have none than bad ones, too. I’d rather have good ones, though. Last year we had Cleveland Wallace in April. So to me this looks like regression rather than progression.

  • tim318 says:
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    I know it’s only Tuesday, but why not focus on baseball?

    Word is that UO is “happy” that OSU got what they believe is a hard regional draw. I can’t believe that after getting swept, they still are a national seed.

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingcombo?Oregon-Thinks-OSU-Has-Tough-Regional=1&blockID=715492&feedID=9379

      funny to see them laughing that we have to play LSU in front of a large crowd. i think we hurt their feelings this weekend.

      • Jack says:
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        In the end we’re a better team by far. We’ll see who makes it to the CWS.

        I’d rather have LSU in the regionals followed by that Coral Gables group than Fullerton at anytime early.

        • angry angry says:
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          I’d rather play LSU than Fullerton, too. Oregon will not advance.

          I’m not sure if OSU will, either. They’re gritty and playing good ball. I have to research LSU more, but from what I’ve seen of them they have an impressive record and ranking but might not be as good as they look on paper.

          • Jack says:
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            I think we’re set up well. Wetzler should handle Belmont, and Fry should put up a great fight against LSU.

            I’m confused by our pitching situation from start to finish. I thought coming into the year that Schultz would be our long reliever with the killer B’s taking the last two innings. We went 75% of the season without Schultz taking the mound for any appreciable time. Was he injured? Suspended?

            It’s nice to see him back. But I really think his absence early killed the killer B’s. Maybe those two awkaken in the post-season?

          • oneoldbeav says:
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            Beavs can’t control decisions by the NCAA, can’t control the heat/humidity of Baton Rouge; best to take care to avoid overconfidence and use the real or imagined disrespect as a motivator.

            I think the key is gonna be the pitching staff’s response to the conditions and opposing batters. Killer B’s awakening? Too much to expect, but not too much to ask. (yes, Mary Chapin Carpenter;Joe Diffie).

            As ever, one game/one at bat at a time. GO BEAVS, bring a regional to Corvallis!

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    While it’s annoying, I don’t think it’s actually that big of a deal regarding the lack of commits right now. At this time of year most programs are going for their “hail mary” recruits with the intention of lowering the bar as needed in the coming months. I’m sure the majority of the recruits the coaching staff are talking to at this point are around four star caliber and it shouldn’t be that surprising, after a 3-9 season, that none have pulled the trigger this early in the recruiting cycle. I doubt MR and co. are rushing to fill up the recruiting class with as many two and three stars as they can in May.

    • Jack says:
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      Well… there are some two and three stars I would really like. The problem is that college coaches see the same things.

      • Jack says:
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        Kendall Keys, Bryson Sullivan and Doug Brenner if you’re asking.

        All three of those kids are going to be big time on the next level.

        • Jack says:
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          Oh… and no idea why, but I just have a gut feeling about Cameron Birse at QB. This is the position I worry about least under Riley, but I just like the kid for no reason whatsoever.

  • angry angry says:
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    Basketball practice facility starts June 21st. Nice.

    • slamadam says:
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      somehow the timing doesn’t suprise me. this is big.

      • angry angry says:
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        Doesn’t surprise you why? Because it takes the focus off of football?

        • slamadam says:
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          that, plus it gives a good talking point for that stupid roadshow thing that robinson, riley and rueck are doing pretty soon.

    • Jack says:
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      Link?

      I heard ceremonial shovels go in the ground next week. But that rumor is a couple months old.

      • angry angry says:
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        Rivals reported it. A friend emailed me about it. I don’t have any links…think it’s on their pay site, which I am banned from.

        • Jack says:
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          I’m pretty sure ceremonial shovels go in the ground next week. Actual machines on the ground may be a different date.

          • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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            http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/052912aaa.html

          • Jack says:
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            So much for a Rivals scoop. This is what makes paysites obsolete.

          • angry angry says:
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            Plus the fact that they ban people for dissenting opinions.
            Memberships are down.
            Couldn’t happen to a worse bunch.

          • Jack says:
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            Or could happen to better bunch?

          • Jack says:
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            Hey JP, I know you’re going to read this. So, go away and pretend to be the non-deviant you are. You are a sick person (based on past internet encounters).

          • angry angry says:
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            Rueck is going to be a beast now that he has a facility to sell.

            Robinson will get a boost, too. Next year will be interesting…Cunningham is such a huge loss for a defensively challenged team. I think they might take a step back while the new guys mature, then take two steps forward the following year. I don’t think Nelson plays enough D to take Cunningham’s role.

          • Jack says:
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            Don’t look for Nelson to take that role. Look for the newbies to come in hot on the defensive end. Robbins is the only question mark, and that’s due to effort, not ability.

            I have a really good (to great) feeling about LMW. That kid is going to do big things here and beyond.

          • angry angry says:
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            But if those new guys aren’t impact players, at least on defense, right away then I think the team will take a step back next year before taking the “next step” the year after that. Robinson, like Pat Casey, is dealing with finding pro level talent that will take all 4 years to mature. It’s not a bad problem to have until one of them leaves before they’re ready ala Cunningham…

          • Jack says:
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            I see what you’re saying. But I think you discount the development of the players who have come through recently. And the level of competition getting better from the bottom up doesn’t hurt.

            It’s been a long haul. And it’s been a showing of mediocrity. But I really think we have a team who wants to compete next year.

          • angry angry says:
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            But who is going to develop so much to make up for Cunningham’s intense defense, all his steals/transition baskets, and the mayhem/turnovers he created just being out there? He was very disruptive. The rest of the team stood around most of the time. Moreland is disruptive when he puts his arms up and tries. Collier is pretty good most of the time. But who else can play any D? So, it falls on the new guys…hope they can play D.

            Gomis can block shots, but it’s 4 vs 5 on offense when he’s out there.

            I can see teams clearing out the lanes and letting the guards go 1 on 1 vs Starks/Nelson and getting tons of easy baskets. That puts pressure on the offense to score every possession.

            If one of the new guys is a great defender and scorer than that changes everything. I figure they’ll require a learning curve, though.

          • Jack says:
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            That’s my point about development. There has not been a CRob recruit who has not gotten appreciably better from one year to the next in any season.

            Next year will be the key year for his system. Brandt and Burton should be the obvious leaders of this team, not necessarily in production, but in leadership.

          • KBeav says:
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            Although Starks and Nelson are below-average on-ball defenders, think of the length we could have behind them: Moreland, Collier, and Gomis. That’s a lot of long arms to disrupt passing lanes. I don’t think we’ll see nearly as many breakaway dunks which were the product of Cunningham’s superior athleticism. However, I do think we have the POTENTIAL to be a better overall defensive team, which includes rebounding. I’m especially excited for Moreland as I think we we’ve seen is just the tip of the iceberg. I hope he’s spending a lot of time shooting jumpers and hitting the weights.

          • ean says:
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            yeah that is a good point. Moreland was super inconsistent and besides that we didn’t have a basket protector. If Moreland becomes more consistent and Gomis lives up to some of his hype we could be better defensively next year even though our perimeter D will be leakier.

          • angry angry says:
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            Perimeter D is huge, though. They could get away with one bad defender out there but not two.

          • ean says:
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            yeah it is big but with the right shot blocker down low you can concentrate more on contesting shots and less on stopping penetration… I guess we will see. I agree there will likely be regression in the D but it is not a lock.

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        The Hunt Wildish JV is the CMGC sub bids are going on 6-6.

    • beaverbeliver says:
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      Problem is that we need a new arena. This is classic OSU shortsightedness! Gill needs a major renovation at the least.

      • angry angry says:
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        Are there any ivy native to the PNW? They should just cover the entire building in that. It would look awesome. The outside is the problem.

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          Mac Court in Eugene used to have that look. It actually looked pretty cool. It’s been a long time since I’ve been to that building, so not sure if the ivy is still there, but more recent pictures make it look like it’s been all chopped down.

          http://www.cardcow.com/233397/mcarthur-court-university-oregon-eugene/

          • angry angry says:
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            That looks awesome. Any idea what ivy that is? Gill would look amazing covered in that.

          • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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            Not sure, but I’d also be curious why they decided to remove it if that’s the case. Might have been damaging the building.

          • Jack says:
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            Ivy’s not indigenous. It’s a pain in the butt to remove. It gets everywhere you don’t want it to get. It destroys structures and kills trees. And it’s a skin irritant, which makes it fun for kids wondering where they got those strange rashes.

            About the only indigenous trailing vine for Oregon is the orange honeysuckle (lonicera ciliosa). It grows quickly, but only trails to about 25 feet. So it wouldn’t cover a building the size of Gill without secondary planters above the entry. And it’s deciduous, so it would be barren for most of the months the building and its sports are featured.

            Still, it would be gorgeous and smell great in the spring and summer months.

            Other loniceras that are evergreen are Henryi and Japonica. Japonica is as noxious as ivies though. Henryi might be a good alternative. I’m not sure how far it trails. But I’m pretty sure it’s a twining vine, which are usually massive trailers requiring major support structures.

            I guess Clematis armandii (snowdrift) would work well for the evergreen aspect as well. But again, it trails to only about 25 feet.

            It’s too bad Gill’s entry is on the south side. Moonlight hydrangea would be a spectacular foliage for the warmer months as well.

            Can you tell I like my climbers? Haven’t we talked about this before? Or was that just another conversation I had with someone else?

            I thought the consensus (wherever it was) was to remove those massive, useless hedges out front, build a semi-covered plaza with a marquee, trail some orange honeysuckle to form the entry and put lights above the foliage and on the upper facade for effect.

            At least the hedges are gone.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        I’m actually a Gill fan. A major renovation is not needed in my opinion. There isn’t a bad seat in the house, and it’s loud when the fans have something to cheer about. It doesn’t need to be flashy like the Matt Knight arena to be a quality basketball building. I think the outside of the building could stand a little facelift, just to make it look more appealing, but there isn’t much I would change about the inside except for adding more actual seats with chairbacks.

        • Jack says:
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          Inside of Gill is pretty good on the court itself. And it’s gotten a lot better in the causeways and stairwells over the last couple years. I’m a fan of bleachers since apparently nobody in the whole world is supposed to be taller than six feet and sit comfortably at a sporting event, a movie or on a plane.

          It could use some electrical work. But I think we’ve talked about that before as well.

      • ean says:
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        I actually like Gill. It holds a fair number and has good sight lines.

        • Jack says:
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          And it only takes half capacity to get damn loud in that place.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    OSU football makes a top 10 list!

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/bruce-feldman/19184275/top-10-list-toughest-schedules-of-2012

    • angry angry says:
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      I’d like to see them buy out of that BYU game. Nothing good can come of that.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        Unless the Beavs win.

        • beaverbeliver says:
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          They won’t. BYU, Oregon, Wisc. are all “not a chance games. We start the season basically with three automatic losses.

          • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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            There’s always a puncher’s chance in those games. You never know what role injuries or external factors will play in those situations. And I wouldn’t consider BYU an automatic loss. It could be a trap game for them, considering they could be looking ahead to their nationally televised matchup with Notre Dame the next week. Maybe we’ll figure out how to stop the run this year?

          • beaverbeliver says:
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            BYU wins easily.

          • angry angry says:
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            Is Nelson Riley their QB this year? If so, blowout loss. There’s no reason to think they’ll ever slow a mobile QB under Banker.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I think he’s on Hollywood Squares that weekend.

          • slamadam says:
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            if i had to i’d probably say they actually have a better chance against wisconsin, just because they’ll have some guys at key spots who haven’t been starters in that spot before (first road game of the year, decently difficult environment) and to me it just seems like the type of game that turns into a disaster most of the time.

          • oneoldbeav says:
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            The badgers with five new coaches and another “anointed” QB from outside the program (can that work two years in a row?), along with the factors slam mentions could be a very pleasant surprise for Beaver fans.
            The guys in the trenches would have to play out of their heads but, hey, Cav may have learned something from watching Casey last weekend. As for Seumalo’s D line, well, too much to expect but not too much to ask.

          • slamadam says:
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            i think it sets up as one of those classic trap games, an unproven team who’s high rating is based on last year’s success more than what they as a group have done playing on the road against a young team returning a lot of starters who figures to be improved in just about every area.

          • beaverbeliver says:
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            Wisconsin wins easily. Monte Ball runs for 200. This one will be ugly.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Is that why you misspell believer in your name?

    • Fightingbeaver says:
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      Being in that category will probably give MR another excuse if the team doesn’t do well. I wonder how many excuses MR will come up with at the end of this season if he fails again?

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        Did he use that excuse in 2010?

        • Fightingbeaver says:
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          I don’t know why he didn’t. Sac. State was pretty tough!

        • angry angry says:
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          No coach comes out and uses that excuse, but Riley threw in (paraphrasing) “we like playing difficult games” type quotes many times prior to BSU/TCU. It’s a way to appear positive while letting fans know they should expect to lose. So it is an excuse in that sense.

          • Fightingbeaver says:
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            Right on Angry, but remember teams like Boise State and Fresno take big teams on……..but because they have coaches that “want to win” and prepare their team to win……they win and fans are extremely happy with the outcome. It just seems to me that MR doesn’t care one way or the other. OSU was not prepared to play some of the big teams. Game plan and play calling was no more than predictable.

          • Bone says:
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            I have always been a believer in if you want to he the best you have to beat the best. But scheduling tough teams coming off a 3-9 campaign isn’t the best idea to me, and if we keep having showings like Wisconsin, Louisville, penn state we have to cool down on the non conference scheduling. We have had a couple of good showings, just didn’t come away with the victory.

          • slamadam says:
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            don’t forget cincinnati in 2009 when they went to the fiesta bowl

          • Fightingbeaver says:
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            In 2009 we went to the Las Vegas Bowl. We went to the Fiesta Bowl in 2000.

          • slamadam says:
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            i know that, cincinnati went to the fiesta bowl in 2009

          • oneoldbeav says:
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            http://nationalchamps.net/NCAA/database/cincinnati_database.htm

            Cincinnati at the Sugar Bowl (not Fiesta) for the 09 season lost to Florida; makes your original point even stronger.

          • bone says:
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            Cincinnati I would put in the category of a pretty good showing, along with LSU and TCU. After watching those games I knew there needed to be improvement but I didn’t leave those games thinking that we may be in for a long season.

          • slamadam says:
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            i agree, but i think the bigger point is that scheduling so many top 25 teams for non conference games has hindered success more than anything. in games like TCU and boise in 2010, cincy in 09 and utah in 08 they played well enough to win against most opponents, and for this program, given that we play in a top tier conference, it’s probably better to accumulate more wins against more average competition than to pin ourselves against the nation’s best and take a close loss, even if it means less national TV coverage. it also gets used as an excuse or a fallback. coaches can point to playing two top 6 or 7 teams instead of a cupcake as the reason they didn’t make a bowl game, rather than address the bigger issues and shortcomings, and instead they had to lose to sac state and go through last year to make necessary changes.

          • bone says:
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            It is about finding that balance, you do not want to load your schedule with cupcakes and you don’t wan’t to make them to difficult, and having the right team to go with a certain schedule. In years such as 2010 it may have been a good idea to had that difficult schedule, of course at the end of the year I felt a little different. But this season, which jobs on the line and with a still fairly young team I don’t think it was a smart move to schedule both Wisconsin and BYU in the same season. There is not a lot of room for error this season as oppose to previous ones.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            People keep saying that playing tough teams then gets used as an excuse later/after the season by the coaches. I don’t recall any evidence of Riley using this as an excuse. Maybe someone can help me out with a link to an interview.

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            I don’t think anyone says the coaches use it as an excuse. But the pollyannas sure hold tight to that excuse. slam’s comment above is the first time I’ve seen anyone refer to the coaches using that excuse.

            I personally like the tougher scheduling so long as we get home and home. Going on the road for TCU on a one off was cool for the exposure, but not a lot was going to be different than what it was. The fans are the reason our school has a team. And giving them top notch teams at home is a reason to buy tickets in my book. I feel the same about hoops. I don’t want to buy season tickets for a non-con schedule full of diploma mills. Give me some big names and let me watch some good ball.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            You think “we like playing difficult games” is an excuse and says that fans should expect to lose? That’s a real stretch just to fit anything and everything into your “Riley strives for mediocrity” view.

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            And your point is?

          • bone says:
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            If someone is striving for mediocrity they wouldn’t schedule weak schedules.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            What’s my point? My point is that if Riley says ‘we like playing difficult games’, that has no connection to striving for mediocrity. If a coach wants mediocrity, they schedule softie ooc games. 3 easy wins and 3 or 4 conference wins makes a bowl game. That way, a mediocre team looks good on one level (hey, went to a bowl), but scratch the surface, and they are average at best. In this situation, the coach keeps his job, gets a level of national credit, and the average fan is somewhat or mostly satisified.

            Play a tough schedule and you know something about your team. Play a weak schedule and win and negatives are overlooked.

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            The only problem is we lose every one of those games! What does that show? That we are mediocre at best and can’t get ready to play early in the season. For the record I wish all teams
            would schedule like that, but you have win a few to elevate your program.

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            That is it, we need to win some of those games and would be a great win for the program and to start the season off. I think that may be a reason Riley schedules them, maybe try and build momentum going into league play. But unfortunately neither of those things have happened yet. Maybe this year…..

  • hellobeavers says:
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    How do you know that Oregon St doesn’t have any verbal commits? How does a verbal commitment become public knowledge in the first place? I was under the impression that coaches cannot talk about a recruit until they actually sign.

    Occasionally that Angie Mochado will retweet some high school kid talking about how he is going to play football for the Beavers. There was one on there yesterday actually. I don’t subscribe to her service so I don’t know how good they are, but I think we do have some verbals at this point.

    I feel like Wisconsin should be winnable since they have so much turnover and it’s in Corvallis. But I don’t know anything about BYU. Are they supposed to be good this season?

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      I would say, after last seasons showing, that with no real changes to MR program (other than MR possibly calling offensive plays), an outdated play book, lack luster physical training and past inability of MR to bring newby’s up to playing ability quickly, our chances against Wisconsin are poor at best.

      Or whole 2012 season should be based on some kind of change. What MR and staff did in past years just did not work. But MR track record relating to change is non existent. Same old plays and game plans are which are totally predictable. Last season during games, or team looked tired after playing only 2 quarters. In today’s college football you have to be able to play 4 quarters at full steam. Bottom line is, winning games is the best motivation for teams to win more and gain the confidence they need to win big. Last year, after games, the OSU players look down right demoralized, period. Until MR and company sets their standards and goals higher than getting a toilet bowl, Beaver Nation football is in deep trouble.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        We should first strive to become just COMPETITIVE against the Wisconsins and BYU’s. And strive to be able to beat the Sac States with some confidence. We should NOT struggle against such teams.

        Right now its back to what year was it….97? when we were emerging from the 28 yr losing streak? Just strive for a winning record. That alone will show some big recovery. Forget the bowl years.

        Riley….can you do it?

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      I’d bet that the kids who know they don’t stand a chance in hell of getting a schollie or an offer to walk-on anywhere else (grades, ability, etc.) are lined up hoping MR will smile their way.

      WALK-ON U!!!

      or perhaps it should be PEEEEEEE-U!!!!!

  • progressivebeav says:
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    Comcast is going to be broadcasting all the OSU regional games:

    http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingbeavers?OSU-Baseball-Regional-games-in-Baton-Rou=1&blockID=716486&feedID=10018

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      That’s great news, I like being able to DVR these games.

  • Fightingbeaver says:
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    For any interested Beaver fans who live in Eugene-Springfield area there is a new Facebook site called “Beavers Behind Enemy Lines”. Our first gathering is tomorrow May 31st from 5PM till………at Centennial Steak House on Mohawk Blvd. in Springfield. All Beaver fans are welcome.

  • Jack says:
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    Sorry, can’t make it with kids’ activities. It’s too bad. I now live about five minutes from there.

    But summer is almost here, and that means we head to several shaded forest swimming holes and trails during the week.

  • ScruffyChipmunk says:
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    I have heard first hand stories about the recruitment of a highly regarded player who wants to come to OSU. He’s getting hit hard by a lot of big schools, both Pac 12 and SEC. Still waiting for the Beavs to show some interest. He probably won’t wait much longer … (sigh)

    This is either an intentional tactic the coaches are using or just ineptness (probably the latter).

    • Jack says:
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      Don’t make me sad on such a pretty day.

      Tell the kid to walk into Riley’s office and just tell the ol’ ball coach that he’s going to play for him, and he’s going to like, nay, love it.

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      Why are you being secretive about the player involved? It’s not like you’re a reporter who can’t reveal his “inside sources.” You’re anonymous here. If you weren’t a duck troll, it seems like you’d be doing what you can to help the team connect with this “highly regarded player” rather than complaining that they aren’t showing interest.

      • ScruffyChipmunk says:
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        I don’t want to blast the coaching staff in case what I’ve heard isn’t the full story. Want the situation to play itself out and not add any fuel to the fire. Quick version: there’s a good player out there who would probably be a Beav if he got some love back. Of course, there are always extenuating circumstances …

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          does ScruffyChipmunk = Beaverbyte?

        • HopefulBeav says:
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          Common man just give us something. Name? Position? Star rating?

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      Btw… what position?

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    It’s not like they are not trying, I see about two offers a week on twitter. But none have turned into verbals, so is the offer not good enough? Or is the staff just trying to lay down a foundation? Whatever they are doing it had not translated into commits.

  • angry angry says:
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    Does anyone know if it’s legal for me to use OSU on a t-shirt? I finally came up with an idea I like for a shirt and want to do it.

    • Jack says:
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      If you’re making it for personal use (not for resale), then you should be fine. But it looks like you run into sticky stuff when mass producing.
      http://oregonstate.edu/marketing/trademark-licensing

      It looks like Steve Fenk is the first one you should ask.

      • angry angry says:
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        Thanks, good info.
        I wonder if there is some way around it. Now that their logo is OS, I wonder if I used OSU and never mentioned Beavers if that would be okay. Or if I drew my own Beaver instead of their logo. Hm. I’ll ask, but by asking I sort of imply guilt should anything go wrong.

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          The school owns the specific design of their logo, but they by law cannot own the letter combination OSU or OS. So if you choose to use OS in a different font, you’d be fine. That is why the “O” in Oregon is theirs, because the design of the O is a specific shape ( i think Autzen stadium for the outside circle and Hayward field for the inside circle). And the interlocking OS with that specific font is Oregon States, but any other font would be ok to copy ( as long as another school doesn’t use it)

          • angry angry says:
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            Okay, sweet. How sure are you? I guess I should write them just to be sure.

            My lady and I are going to work on these over the weekend. I love the idea; we’ll see if we can execute it. Anyone know Fenk’s email off hand?

          • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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            My fiance is an attorney, and we’ve had this conversation before, but never in a legal setting of course. If I were you and I were seriously considering mass producing a shirt, I’d consult an attorney to cover my butt, just in case. I’m looking for anything online that can help confirm what you’re trying to do is legal, but the google machine isn’t cooperating with me yet. I’ll send more info if I come across anything.

          • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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            It also came up in business law class when I was in college, and I remember the professor saying the same thing regarding the ownership of a copyright. You can own the design of the letters, but you can’t own the letters themselves.

          • angry angry says:
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            Thanks.
            My brother is an attorney, too, but he doesn’t specialize in this area. His wife is an attorney…I think she handles corporate accounts with Google/Apple, so that seems more along these lines. I forgot I had her as a resource!

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Here’s a little more info.

    http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

    http://tess2.uspto.gov/webaka/html/Likelihood/Likelihood_of_Confusion.html

    according to the likelihood of confusion link, it sounds like you’d have trouble getting a trademark registered for your design. especially if you decided to put a beaver in it.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Can’t believe BDC’s big idea for Reser this decade is trying to spruce up the existing west side. I love how he cites “there is hope it will be less disruptive” even though it will be extremely disruptive to the hopes of being a premier Pac-12 program. Typical excuses and poor thinking to spend dollars studying this joke of an idea. More proof BDC knows Riley will mightily struggle to support one fan over 45K going forward and is actually now losing fans.

    Lipstick on a Pig (OSU Stadium Expansion):
    http://beaverbyte.com

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Maybe I’m wearing orange shades, but what’s the problem with Reser. Seems nice to me, but all I need is a metal plank to sit on. It’d be nice to have 60k seats, but you have to have the numbers to fill them.

      P.S. your article’s lame and if I have to read “sexy” in connection to a football coach again, I’m going to stick a fork in my eye.

      • Beaver Byte says:
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        A mirrored Reser West Side by my best estimates would add about 3000 seats. BDC has stated it wouldn’t add many seats, but should add some and a few thousand seems about right. It would be under 50K though almost for sure. 48,674 is a ballpark estimate after adding 3K. That to me sounds like an appropriate number to have for awhile and a mirrored West Side gives us the long term flexibility. Perhaps it would take us another 17-20 years to do the upper deck of the south end zone but we atleast have that ability to eventually fill in an ideal horseshoe and get to 55K in 20 years should we choose. I believe in that timeframe we would definitely support that number.

        Under BDC’s current suggestion of just sprucing up the existing West Side it sounds like he wants to do some styling and update the seats and such things. However we would not gain one seat and could actually lose several hundred because of nicer seats. So maybe we end up with 45K seats only which works good for Riley, since he can’t get any more fans than that, but then we are stuck with just that number for probably atleast 25 years or longer.

        Remeber BDC’s quote, “there is hope this will be less costly and disruptive.” So this could potentially even cost 70-75 million or who knows how much and they aren’t going to rip it all up because they want a 50K stadium in 5 years. We would be stuck. I know Larry Scott prefers Pac-12 venues to all get close to 50K in case of a Pac-12 Championship game, so a mirrored West Side with 48,674 would be just large enough for OSU’s needs for 15+ years if we want, gives us the future flexibility and is Pac-12 worthy, including for a Pac-12 Championship that we should have confidence to bring to Corvallis in the next 10-12 years.

        A exciting coach could easily fill 3,000 more seats over the next 10-15 years. If Riley can’t that tells you something right there. UNLV is moving forward with their new stadium that will seat 52-60K. It will cost 500 million. BDC stated a mirrored West Side would only need 40 million raised to begin construction and the rest would be bonded. That doesn’t sound like that difficult an effort and it sure beats being locked in at only 45K seats for the next 3 decades.

        What would we do after that 30 years then when we absolutely wanted more seats and a better looking facilty? Spend 375 million instead of 150 million to do in 2046 what we should have done in 2016? Don’t forget that is after spending maybe 75+ million for whatever “alternative” improvements we do instead. So that total cost would be perhaps 450 million instead of 150 million to end up with a similar end product and not having what we really want or flexibility for another 30 years or so, all while it potentially negatively affects the perception of our program over that time.

        Just because Riley isn’t good at attracting fans are we now supposed to let him hurt our future for another 30+ years by locking down a minimal vision in cement?

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