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    • That was me. That wasn’t a deep ball. I was just saying he’s not even close to our fastest receiver and hasn’t shown any deep tds but one on a misdertion where he was wide open. We should have 5 deep threats but it hasn’t shown up.

    • Lindsey had his best game as a Beaver, but he has not deserved more PT. Played so much cause Bradford, Flemings, and Irish were out. He can’t beat those others out. And no this is not poor talent evaluation on the coaches. He drops balls and can’t consistently get open. You got lucky.

  1. Beavs playing two hand touch. Stanford did nothing Oregon State handed them that drive. Hopefully with the way the Beavs are moving the ball ribs can make adjustments.

  2. It’s a fast start by Beavs standard if they can keep this up and play like they normally do in the second half I like our chances. Can’t afford any turnovers in this game.

    • Lindsey had his best game due to Bradford, Flemings, and Irish not playing. He doesn’t consistently get open and drops the ball. Jet sweep has been his only success. He hasn’t earned more PT. Your ego to never be wrong is and you spinning it is unbelievable.

        • You missed the point. You keep saying how great he is, but there has been no evidence of that. I hope he has figured it out. Sports history has shown if there is some talent anyone can have a big game. Being good consistently is what coaches look for. After three seasons you would expect a 4* to have at least one good game. You use this one game as an example of how right you are. Just like Jake Thompson where you used one bad game to prove how right you were.

          • Quote me where I say how great he is. Post the quote.
            What I actually said on the Stanford blog is he was the best deep threat this game, and Harrison was second. Both came true.

  3. Nice stop d. Harrison is obviously great. Nolan looks much more relaxed and it helps having JJ back there. Which receivers will leave after this season since they won’t have to sit out? Beason and Harrison have those spots locked down for awhile.

  4. Good D. Those deep slants are hard to cover. Short slants you can slip a LB into the path but deep ones it’s all on the DB. Our DBs are better but still working on it.

    • That 2nd down screen call was not good! Only when they are mounting pressure. Harrison should be in there on long distance. Get comeback and flood routes (intermediate). Screens are not going to work against a lack of pressure.

  5. Actually like the branding and helmets with logos for this ESPNU broadcast then those big game ones on ESPN where they constantly showed Kid Benny on every commercial. That was horrible for our image, but this looks good and feels as close to Erickson team branding and feel I have seen since.

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    OSU plays to their competition. We can’t blowout inferior opponents yet. They should be up big. Bad spots, mental lapses and penalties are the only thing keeping stanford in this. It should be 24-10 bc dumbass should never miss a pat.

  7. Second half adjustments.

    Keep feeding jj. Never stop.
    Nolan is getting a little over confident. Trying to fit throws into tight spaces. Check down. Check down.
    Attack the edges. Stanford starting to crash to the middle.

    Defense, find some ways to get pressure. Current blitzes aren’t getting home and the secondary can’t cover for long.

  8. With his progress, and the fact that Gebbia won’t have spring practice, Nolan should surpass Gebbia and have the fall camp advantage. We’re seeing some of his running advantage and he’s clearly more comfortable already. If he would throw more quickly when he makes a decision, I’d feel better. I keep expecting a pick…

  9. Need to make the plays when they’re there. So many bad angles and missed tackles. They’ve been close and I think they’re due for a turnover.

    • They act like “boxing out” is a ok or a football technique. That’s offensive PI to hold the defensive player from the ball. Same as pushing off.

  10. I see a bunch of guys tryyto do to much and do other people’s job on defense. Then what do you know they get burned on misdirection or a pa fake. This team lacks discipline.

  11. What I don’t like is that Stanford just seems to “try” and everything happens for them. So whenever they want to, they can just turn it on?1 Like they’re toying with us.

    If any team should have an excuse to not be performing well, it’s the Tree right now (given their current sitch)

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    Great. Here’s the problemo! Stanford can easily burn 7 min to drive and score (as we have seen). Need a turnover or HUGE 3rd down stop!

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    Stanford Dback grabbing grabbing at receiver just before catch on that third down. how is that not PI!?!?!! So tired of watching this horseshit from the refs. Am I the only one seeing the spots for OSU consistently being a half yard short of where the ball should be???!

  14. Here we are with another Chance to win it! Pun is intended. This is a great opportunity for him with plenty of time to win the game. Needs to use his feet and move the chains.

  15. Chance needs to chill. They can easily tie at least. He should’ve dove for more yardage there. Probably grab a first. With that and the play after probably save 30 sec.

  16. Soon as Nolan started playing I was afraid of him trying to do too much and turn it over. That said he played a good game. Oregon state killed themselves in this one.

    • Yep and how many of those come down to the final minute. Oh well, that’s the way the ball bounces. Too bad too bc the fumble cost the beavers didn’t even get the shot to tie or win it. Could a, should a, would a.

  17. Fuck. Players were competitive, left some TOs on and sacks on the field. SU has a more experienced QB, bigger players…damn.

    11 straight years of losing to Stanford.

    • I hope the fact they were within reach of every game this year builds confidence instead of destroying it. It was like they were unfamiliar with playing with the lead…which they were…

    • Yep, that’s why I said a minute or two b4 the fumble and I called it game over bc beavers bad luck. Nolan is a gamer though. His performance in just his second game was pretty impressive especially w/out Bradford and despite fumble.

  18. Tibs gotta go. Got picked apart on slants all game long. No adjustments. Stayed 7-8 yds deep on the corners and they took that easy money every time. Tackling hasn’t improved. Gotta be an upgrade out there somewhere.

      • Worst D in the entire country year 1. OK, 1st year you get a pass. Move to 10th in conference. Think they’re 10th this year. Tackling is just as bad as when he got here. You have to admit some of the schemes this year have been pretty bad. Changing D Coordinator can’t move you too much further down the PAC…who as a conference is really bad this year and would be a great opportunity to move up the ladder but nah.

        • I don’t know enough to figure out why they are having a hard time creating tackles for loss and sacks this year. It was exciting to watch last year. I hate to say it, but Rashad has become ineffective. I think he’s injured or the weight he put on is not helping him.

          • It’s maybe both and schemes too. He seems to be used like a D-end this year and not a blitzing lb. It was more fun to watch with the tfl and sacks but most the problems they have this year are the same as last year. Bad tackling. 3rd and 4th down struggles. Pts allowed. In 3 years only 3 games allowing less than 20pts and 1 was cal poly.

  19. Brings back memories of giant Stanford tight ends pushing OSU cornerbacks out of the way and catching the go ahead touchdown… Fun time, great seat, rooting for OSU is like a classic country song, sad yet has a hint of humor. I mean how much can we suffer lol

      • In general or in this instance? If your talking today’s artists, real country IMO is making a comeback… No ranking here but these are all great artists: Charley Crockett, Tyler Childers, Turnpike Troubadours, Cody Jinks, Ryan Bingham… It’s a good time to be a real country fan.

        • Those r good! I was just arguing that country isnt sad necessarily. I don’t like the stereotype because I think a lot is the most upbeat feel good you can find. Never heard of the turnpike troubadours. I listen to a lot of old school from before I was born. But you’re right there are some purists that are putting out some good stuff. Gems on vhs and country AF are good youtube channels that have lots of underground artists.

          Have you ever heard unincorporated by ronnie hymes? Pretty much sums it up.

    • Undoubtedly best “2 win” team in the country. Seriously this year has been so close to 5-1. I completely give the WSU game, although currently we would destroy them, but we lost that game. Beyond that, losing to Utah was a huge learning curve, uw was shitty ass spots, and Stanford was an ot game at worse.

      Things happen in football, and we haven’t won’t those games, but this team is not going to lose next year. Teams will have to beat them. I think that is the best part of this season. Although record doesn’t indicate it, it’s a big step forward on a week to week basis

  20. Did the hack announcers even discuss Bradford being out for the game? I think he still was third in the league with receptions going into this game and I didn’t hear them talk about him missing.

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    I am thinking about the impact of long term arratives. Programs like Nebraska, Tennessee, Texas, etc. still think they’re relevant despite evidence to the contrary (all of which is aided and abetted by media which assigns them more power than their records over the last several years+ suggest). OSU can’t seem to handle the fact that it could break its loser narrative and win any more than Nebraska can get over its relevance some 25 years ago and accept that they are losers. Its the same mindset, different perspective.

    Smith and staff need to confer with Casey and Rueck in the off season, and come back next year with a winning record.

  22. Need to learn how to play with and extend a lead. They don’t know anything other than scrapping right now. They need to learn to step in the throat.

    • They just don’t have that ability yet. When they had the ball with the 21-16 lead they needed to ram it down Stanford’s throat and go up 12, but they pissed away the drive and gave the ball back.

        • I think it was closer to six. I was surprised they rushed for well over 200 yards, but it was spread out over many players. They should have scored more than 24 points for pushing 500 yards of offense. Too many stall outs around mid-field.

          • Got fucked in the beginning on a spot where it was too risky to go for it. But looked g9od driving then by their own hand with penalties.
            .the worst part about not calling fair catches is that we end up with a penalty and start at the ten.

  23. I’ve seen this game around 100 times as a Beaver fan. It’s like deja vu. The Beavs have this invisible force that reaches out and trips them up any time they’re about to pull away in games like this. I’m not sure if there’s another team out there that always has to overcome more obstacles to win. Maybe it’s just a lack of focus on fundamentals and discipline, but it feels like there’s more to it. Maybe it’s just Luck o’ the Beavs.

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        So does Cristobal. He’s in a terrible downward trend. Good for you it wasn’t a full season and you got out of that washington beat down.

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          Losing 2 games and finishing with a winning season with a chance to play in the Pac-12 Championship game is a “terrible downward trend”? Bahahaha.. beav fans would give their left arm for a two loss trend. Ass clown

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          Washington beat down? The Ducks have beaten the Huskies 12 out of the last 14 years I believe including the last 2. I don’t think your math is working for you

          • Oh is it the same team that comes back every year? No! Might need to ban this dipshit he can’t even form a coherent argument. It’s not even fun. He must have a doctorate from the sux.

          • Yes, Mariota wasn’t from Hawaii. Neither was his brother and many others being recruited and picked up by the Ducks. You really are a special kind of stupid aren’t you? Here is a somewhat recent list.
            >> Matt Mariota (Saint Louis ’15) 6-2, 206, Jr, TE
            >> Kaulana Apelu (Kamehameha ’15) 5-10, 204, Sr, LB
            >> Isaac Slade-Matautia (Saint Louis ’17) 6-1, 209, Fr, LB
            >> Peyton Yanagi (Saint Louis ’18) 5-9, 214, Fr, LS
            >> Matt Christman (Punahou ’15) 6-2, 252, Jr, LB
            >> Sione Kava (Kalani ’16) 6-6, 270, Jr, DL
            >> Adam Stack (Kamehameha ’17) 6-2, 182, So, K

          • Wtf is your point. Name calling now? Wow! Mariota being from Hawaii doesn’t make all polys from Hawaii. I was adopted into an Hawaii family and live with 4 generations. They are very humble and hard working and think the duck are douchey to say the least. They have a different term for you guys tho that is racist so I wont say it. Way to dodge that you’re a racist lumping all polys together.

          • You should probably find a dictionary and look up the word racist. You seem to be terribly uneducated. Maybe should have gotten that GED after all eh? Go ahead and print here what the word means. Maybe it will help you understand it better

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    So who do The Beavs play next week? Is it going to be fucking Utah again? I guess it would be a nice test of JS and the staff’s coaching abilities.

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    I just got on and found post after post from “Swammiturd”. Fairly pitiful and annoying. I guess that’s what he’s trying for. It’s a shame it takes a routine like this to bring him satisfaction. One can only hope he will grow up one day.

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      What’s really sad is that he didn’t exist in the thread until right when the loss was sealed. So this was his Saturday night. I feel kind of bad. He’s doing it out of hate because he doesn’t have anything else to look forward to. Depressing.

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      I’m not a fan of censorship, but he adds nothing to the conversation and is disrespectful many times. He would be a great candidate for the old ignore function.

      • Disrespectful vs truth. I am not concerned with your feelings when I post. If facts bother you, that’s your problem. If I am attacked, I attack back. Pretty simple. Feel free to repost anything I have posted that isn’t true

        • “Feel free to repost anything I have posted that isn’t true”
          Cristobal is a winning coach. He went 9-19 in his first 28 games, and did that in arguably the worst league in FBS. That number seems familiar.

          When Colorado ass fucks the ducks in Boulder does that mean they join the mile high club?

          • As previously stated, nobody cares about his previous job. He is a winning coach at Oregon which seems to be what you’re concerned with. You seem very angry, but as a beaver fan I can’t blame you. It must be miserable year after year

        • Well, you make it easy. Explain how your name isn’t disrespectful to a long-time poster here? And the first name you used was somewhat juvenile, to say the least.

          • It’s flattery to great Swammi. And in his case, not only an accurate description of him as a person, but also his personality, wit and general disposition. All, once again, very truthful. I’m not familiar with whatever first name you’re talking about

  26. For a moment last night it felt like something was brewing and we “turned a page”…I was seeing crispness and urgency in the play. Then Da’ Beavs showed up.

  27. Dooozle pointed out the sad reality of Beaverfandom: We’ve all seen this game 100 times before. Scrappy, gutty performance that is so close to a validation victory snatched away by 1000 cuts of mistakes, poor spots, sketchy refereeing, lack of tackling, missed opportunities to get turnovers, sliding 2 yds short of 1st down, running backwards after getting a 1st down, and the capstone is always the turnover at the end to seal the loss.

    Charlie meet Lucy once again. Another lost year of close but not quite, what could have been and now JJ is gone to NFL.

    The sad thing is the Beavs faced 4 -1st time/year starters and still couldn’t win those games. Any comfort regarding “everybody will be back” because of NCAA eligibility waivers is now empty since they have no real advantage if that applies to all teams. The advantage was continuity and league qbs all inexperienced this year and they wasted it.

    • I wonder if all those little things are the difference between 3 star guys we’re landing and the 4-star guys the schools eking out these victories over us are landing.

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        I didn’t see your comment Angry because I was composing the note just below, but you have posed the issue more economically. not enough 4 star guys. it’s that simple. Smith could win 10-11 games a year, Boise State style, with these guys, vs. Mtn. West competition.

      • Say what you will about stat monkeys. Broadly, the beavs FPI is 11th in conference and 63rd overall, and yet they’ve been competitive in every single game this year; the potential to have been 5-1 is there. They are clearly out-sizeed/strengthed/talented by bluer-blooded teams. Smart recruits are going to see that; they’re going to see the coaching continuity. Smith wins a few more recruiting battles in key positions (dl, cb, qb) and we’ll see more improvement, high 3 stars and better depth is the next phase. The aggression on 4th down has been working in part because of the stoutness of the defense in compressed field situations, 4th and short and red zone. Had the beavs sent it to OT last night I liked their chances. Again, smart recruits are going to see that.

    • One benefit of seeing it 100 times is you know what to expect. So losses like this don’t hurt as much as they used to. But I have to say, Smith’s teams have been competitive and fun to watch. They definitely have more fight, toughness, and determination than what we saw for many years before he took over.

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    Here’s my summary opinion six games in: This team is pretty well coached, especially on the offensive side of the ball. The team doesn’t give up (another sign of good coaching), which is why all of its games are competitive. The reason OSU doesn’t win more games than probabilities suggest should happen is because of episodic disparities in talent, which varies from unit to unit, game to game, but when they occur these disparities are steep. Let’s take a few example: OSU’s D LIne vs. Utah (which is very young); vs. UW’s offensive line, (which is very young); versus Stanford’s receivers (some of whom were back ups). IF (and that’s a capital IF) you have superior QB play, you can compensate for these deficiencies. But OSU doesn’t have superior QB play, it currently has mid range QB play, and, in my opinion, its had mid to low range QB play since Moore, Canfield, Moevo when we had upper 1/3 QB play. Mannion and Luton may be holding clip boards on Sundays but there were not game transforming QB’s who could compensate for deficiencies elsewhere on the team.

    • I would also add the reality of an accepted perception of the P12 offices and public at large that OSU is a bottom 4 team in the conference.
      Each team has been cast into a predictable mold as if it is a never-ending story, easy for uneducated sportscasters to repeat without effort:
      UO- fast and innovative
      UW- disciplined and punishing on defense
      Stanford- intelligent and physical
      USC- flashy and athletic, 5 star talent
      UCLA- underperforming for the talent level
      WSU- gutty and physical, wide open offense
      Utah- Physical and bruising without a lot of skill players
      CU- Cute program that tries hard
      Cal- Fiery coach who gets the most out of his team, no qb
      UA- Undisciplined athletic team
      ASU- Undisciplined athletic team prone to penalties
      OSU- Outmatched athletically and lunch bucket effort

      The silly part of this is how these simplistic narratives aren’t actually true, yet referees can be influenced to not call any penalties on Stanford for a full decade because they are somehow more intelligent and disciplined players, when they a re obviously pushing the boundaries. Same with the spot at UW game, ref may think no way that little OSU can actually be pushing these Huskies around like this, so bad spot. Or UO gets benefit of blatant off-sides no-calls due to their superior athleticism.

      So there seems to be an accepted heirarchy of teams within the conference and any anomolies outside of this face more hurdles to succeed.

      If USC, UW, UO are in close games early season match-ups, they get the benefit of all calls due to these constructs. Conversely, teams like OSU, Cal, UA, CU, WSU are faced with the opposite issues and must overcome the accepted narrative to succeed and have a great season. Over the course of 20 years watching Pac12 football, this is a pattern. Selected teams are annointed in preseason and must have great mental toughness and coaching to overcome these hidden obstacles. In high school conferences, there are schools that will always be the conference doormat and they have fairly accepted it, as the psychology of the community and student body, as well as faculty. But in a major conference university, this should not be the case. JS biggest challenge right now isn’t recruiting or scheme but overcomong the residual effects of 50 years of reinforced constructs that only Dennis Ericjkson could break free from and be successful. I hope JS is on the cusp of such an accomplishment, but I agree with wannabeav that the quick solution is a top tier qb who can raise everyone, ala Aaron Rodgers at Cal back in the day.

      • “JS biggest challenge right now isn’t recruiting or scheme but overcomong the residual effects of 50 years of reinforced constructs …” well said.

        Smith says his team expects to be in every game, and to win every game. I think that’s important. One of his players said he “likes the underdog role.” I don’t like the way the underdog role gets overplayed; sure, someone is going to be favored for betting purposes, but the role tends to become this perception that the team doesn’t belong on the field with the other teams in the conference or DI, and Smith can’t accept that kind of thinking.

        Overcoming those reinforced constructs is more likely if Smith acknowledges them and has strategies for them, which include unfortunately messaging. But I hope he gets the team beyond competitive, and where it has results on the field that can’t be denied. Someday maybe a “Harbaugh-goes-for-2-against-USC-Carrol-hey-coach-what’s-your-deal?!?” statement game.

      • Sounds like a lot of convenient excuses for just not being very good and having inadequate coaching and admin decisions. Until the win against a team made up of 75% freshman, every beav fan was complaining about the lack of in-game adjustments and poor fundamentals teaching by the coaches. Now they are complaining about narratives that oppress their program unfairly. Good grief it gets old

    • One thing, I think I’m seeing is that the Beavs don’t quite have the speed on defense as the better teams or they are out of position a lot. Maybe that’s the difference between 3 or 4 stars? Teams constantly beat them to the edge. Hell, Mills with two bad knees didn’t have anyone close to him on his TD run!

  29. Tough loss. Smith got saved by delay of game penalty at goal line when he went for it. Kicking FG was the right thing to do… tied game. D held Stanford to FG and O got in FG position until Nolan fumble. Nolan surprised. Played great game. On the fumble made the right play but Stanford made great play to seal the deal. That’s the difference… tree capitalized on their opps. When we had chances to recover fumble or intercept, we didn’t make the play. We’re getting better despite the record.

  30. It was a tough loss, but everyone is forgetting the Cal win. I’m sure Cal fans were pretty pissed about an interception on the 7-yard line. It was the same type of scenario as last night. The frustration is that the Beavs have improved considerably over the past three years, but they are not good enough to blow anyone away or even to create separation in league games. This is the most parity I think I’ve ever seen in the P-12, not sure whether it’s good or bad? Probably has a lot to do with the COVID environment that we are in. I think next season will give us a benchmark for Smith’s abilities and if the program can take another step.

    • Sadly, it was the perfect year for the league/refs to play it straight up and watch a reshuffle of program trajectory happen. But no, they got greedy thinking CFP and here they are. After a year or two we could see superior coaching staffs push their programs up and inferior ones get canned. That’s the way back to the cfp, not preordained, chosen teams.

  31. Nolan was night and day from last week. That 3rd and 1 on that last drive when he started to run then flicked that floater over the D was “neat”. Too bad Harrison stumbled on the play and dropped the ball. Haven’t seen that type of creativity from a Beav QB in a long time

    • If I remember correctly he didn’t even come close to throwing an interception. Even Luton was good for a couple of “should have been picked” per game. I think he was only sacked once and even then he was trying to run and just need to break one tackle for positive yards.

    • Maybe not since Matt Moore flipped a shovel pass against USC, just as he was being tackled?

      Harrison “should” have caught that. I know its easy to say, but he’s a receiver, he had his hands on it, has to make the play.

      • John Madden’s philosophy? If the ball touches any part of the receivers hands he should catch it! Of course, that was easy to say in the era of Stick Um!

    • It was a great idea but the pass was total shit. He threw it so harrison had to completely turn around from the way he was running and try to dive underneath the ball right before it hit the ground. Nolan even said it was a bad pass and he needs to be better. He said it was a probable td if he makes a better pass.

  32. That technology in he NFL that shows the path a runner takes includes a chip in the middle of the ball. Based off that and orientation it should always be able to calculate the tip of the ball. Otherwise I am sure there is a way they could get a chip right near both tips of the ball if needed.

    I counted atleast 13 spots last night where I was telling my family they gave the OSU player atleast 1/2 yard kess than he got. The average of these was over 2/3 of a yard and looked closer to 3/4 of a yard with many almost a full yard less.

    On the contrary Stanford had to have had 8 or more spots where they got a full half yard more than they appeared to get. Did’t really ever see them lose more than a few inches all night on any spot. They had a couple where they appeared to get 3/4 and close to a full yard benefit.

    If a computer analyzed this itvwould easily have picked up the anomalies of where the ball actually finished. They have the technology. It might need slight refinement or improvement, but what is an inch of error margin a computer chip to the often full yard difference Pac-12 refs all top often make? Beavs really were hurt by this and to help get over this perception issue they should be leading charge for using technology with no bias.

    Even the couple plays where we had the clear first down or were very close like the one late near the goaline before the 4th and 2, the Beavs player were wrongly called for initiating backward running when all they did was twist their body and get pushed and hit back.

    Bad spots have bothered many fans for years. Time to let the truth and facts be the deciding factor. Let the refs have a smart watch and the computer can tell them the closest 1/4 of a yard that the ball should be placed at. I’d say it could be rounded to closest 1/4 yard except for first downs, where chip has to say it was reached. Or you just always have to gain all 1/4 yards by the chip and it always rounds down.

    But there are sp many lazy refs, who repeatedly and constantly say to themselves, I don’t think they playervquite got the first down at the 50, so ball gets placed at 49 when he was no more than an inch or two short. That is stupid and it happens all the time because of lazy refs who prefer the sticks and yardage be easier for their own ease when it ends up making real differences in games.

      • The funny thing about the ball spot tech that traces player path in NFL via ball position is that it is developed by Zebra. Talk about perfect branding. Refs are Zebras and this is just better reffing for ball spots when forward progress should be given. I think they could just place a chip on both tips and the one that gets furthest download on the direction team is going is obviously the one you use.

    • I agree this problem could be easily solved with technology. I don’t think there is any way refs can make these calls accurately within 1/2 yd. The problem is their line of sight. In most cases the ref is on the sideline behind or in front of where the ball carrier is stopped, downed, or out of bounds. The out of bounds situation gives refs the worst line of sight for the ref on that side of the field. Actually, the ref on the opposite side of the field has the better sight angle to make the spot judgment. In reality, multiple viewing angles are needed since the ball may not be visible to the ref closest to the ball. However, our refs go ahead and spot the ball even if they don’t see where the ball is, they’re just “guessing” where the ball is when the runner goes out if bounds. Home viewers can actually make a more accurate judgement on ball spotting because we have the benefit of multiple camera angles. That’s what’s so frustrating.

      • I definitely think refs have a bias based the history and narrative of a team. If they have to guess within +/- 1/2 yd of the line to gain, they’ll err on the – side for a team like the Beavs. Our players could remove this doubt by taking a more aggressive angle past the marker or staying in bounds and taking a hit to make sure they get the extra 1/2 yd.

      • Another issue is timing. Just because a ball was advanced to a certain marker, doesn’t mean it was advanced while the player was live. The ball placement at the point when the player is down or out of bounds is difficult to acertain without replay in many cases.

  33. Getting a few things off my chest:
    1-The discussion this morning here is an example of why I continue to visit AB. With a very few notable exceptions, you degenerates have some of the most astute observations and insights around.
    2-Early Vegas odds say Beavs plus 7.5 vs ASU, factor in the weather and JS ability to keep the team engaged and I think that’s a good bet.
    3-Sweaty Beav’s the man, came on strong halfway through the season and is running away with the pick’em!
    4-Why all the questions about UofW being able to play next Friday? If their county doesn’t change quarantine calendar can’t they move out as Stanford did in that situation? They’ve got the $$
    5-An early Merry Christmas to you all!

    ADDED: 6-WBB Civil War today at 4pm on PAC12
    7-FTD

  34. That was one of those games that the ball just didn’t bounce the Beavs way literally. I didn’t see really any egregious mistakes by the coaching staff or players. Stanford just outplayed/outcoached them by just enough to win the game.

    A disappointing loss for sure. No moral win here or many silver linings. A second step back in the program’s direction.

    • Agreed for most part….most of my beef is with the missed opportunities bY the defense. Just fall on the loose ball, don’t try to pick it up, and probably win. Saw at least three over pursues, pressures going right at QB at full speed and missing instead of slowing down and just making the tackle, or waiting a half second for help. Stanford has been smarter in that department for a while now — hell half their guys could be engineers or doctors.
      Get two or three of those type of plays per game and Beavs add two or three wins easily.

  35. At a certain point, you have to stop blaming the refs. Refs tip the margins one way or another, but if you actually have a good team, you don’t need that margin every single game. Luck is a fact of life in sports and close games will usually be determined by it. It sucks when you’re suffering through individual games, but it usually averages out over a large sample size. You can’t count on luck to win, though, because you don’t get large sample sizes in football. The only way OSU will get over the hump is by being good enough not to need it.

    I know everyone flags 1998 as the turnaround year for the program, but 1999 was when we actually proved we could have a winning season. The average margin of conference victories that season was 20 points. Take away the UCLA blowout and it was still 10 points. We averaged at least two-score victories. Same thing in 2002 when we bounced back from the letdown in 2001: average margin of victory was 20 points.

    Biased refs are just one of the disadvantages you have to accept as a program, similar to not having nice weather or big donors.

    • Agree. Got to be good enough to overcome the bias. Not there yet. Still frustrating when every spot for Stanford seems to be slightly more than where it should be and every spot for Beavs is short. Over the course of the game, that adds up. Usually when a player goes out near first down marker, the refs give benefit of doubt to offense… not so much with Beavs. It’s been consistent all year. When/if we become a better team, maybe we start to get those spots

    • I think it is less about blaming the refs than a normal subtle psychology of all involved that perceive the Beavs as not really likely or worthy to get the benefit of the doubt in situation after situation. Of course the goal is to become good enough to not be concerned with luck or the occasional missed call or poor spot. But the reality seems to be that the occasional mistake and missed spot is nearly the back breaker that Beavs cannot overcome in many instances, and the accumulation of such events piled on throughout a game or season only reinforce the lame narrative that OSU is a doormat program without much luck or talent. I say the challenge inside the locker-room today is to find, teach and coach guys who actually believe they are 15-20 points better than the other team at all times and then go carry themselves that way and play up to that mindset. Dennis Erickson found those guys and they played that way. Sadly, it was a flash in the pan within the long history of OSU football.

      • DE himself had the same attitude. He’d already been successful, so he had confidence in himself.

        JS doesn’t have the same advantage, and I feel it often shows up in play calling, like trying to get too cute and catching the other team off guard when you’ve been dominating them with your bread and butter. It’s like they think “oh it probably won’t keep working, let’s just try to surprise them instead” instead of believing that the success is legitimate and repeatable.

    • Interestingly, the refs got that Stanford spot right on the apparent TD, but again it was handled correctly. Call TD first and then overturn on video if the evidence is there. Unlike, the Ducks game where Gebbia was clearly in the end zone, but they called short. Did anyone notice the lead official was almost “over clarifying” the calls last night and seemed oddly assertive. Almost, like he had been coached to do that given the mess that P-12 officiating has become.

  36. I was happy with Nolan. He was as good if not better then Gebby this game. I do love the attitude and fight in this team and that is what is giving me hope for the future. I’ve said it a 100 times in the blog though that we need to start winning more games to turn the tide because so much depends on recruiting and let’s be real that a good recruit wants to go to a good – winning program.

    Final comment: As a fan of PAC-12 football I am constantly frustrated by the many bad calls / spots by our refs. The PAC-12 needs to clean this up ASAP. Unfortunately it may not happen until Larry Boy is gone. I just hope the conference isn’t to badly damaged by Larry Boy before he is out.

  37. I think blowouts/domination tend to happen when a team has at least an above-average defense. Turnovers are created, three and outs happen more frequently. Beaver’s defense is not close to that yet.

  38. 2nd half thoughts after watching the replay:
    -Nolan played well. Huge difference compared to Utah. I didn’t see many incompletions due to bad throws; it seemed like mostly bad protection, good coverage, or Harrison’s drop. It feels good to be the one with the mobile QB for once.
    -Baylor is good. Losing JJ will obviously suck, but the drop off is not that bad. We really need Madison or Newell to step up, though, because Tyler doesn’t seem to bring anything to the table.
    -Horrible play calling when we settled for the field goal to get us to 24 points. We moved the ball well all the way down the field, then felt like we had to get cute for some reason instead of sticking with what worked. Seems like an example of low Beav self-esteem in action.
    -I still have Choukair PTSD, but I also really appreciate that Hayes makes the kicks he’s supposed to make.
    -The offense made the defense look good by giving Stanford poor starting field position. The defense is still below average and Tibesar needs to go. Good teams don’t spot the opponent 400 yards every single game.
    -Why in the world would you put JJ on the return team?

    • Problem is, I don’t think that OSU can attract a better DC on a 600K salary.

      The defensive scheme last night is probably as good as it can get with the talent on the squad, particularly with how little talent there is at the DT and DE positions. Two strip sacks and three dropped INT’s.

      What the Beavs sorely need is everyone to return next year so that they can get to a bowl game. A bowl game gives the team an additional month of practice. Having that extra time with in-person coaching is critical for the program’s success.

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    The only thing that really stopped the offense was bad spots, penalties, and getting cute with the play calling. They had a chance to put the game away by just running it down their throats. The team was getting around 5or 6 yds a carry. They could’ve of worn them down and demoralized them but didn’t. The tripping penalty was bullshit.

  40. I haven’t researched, but did The Beavs create any turnovers in their losses this season? I know they didn’t yesterday and I think none against UW. That’s a huge factor. Bottom line is that they need a much better defense to improve the win column next season.

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    Fanny back in his usual form….abrasive, petulant and sophomoric. He’s about as predictable as the ducks football team…weak. no wonder he now uses “turd” as part of his new moniker. He’s the epitome of what it means to be a turd.

    • Do you remember laughing when I told you the pendulum is swinging? I do. Who’s laughing now? Maybe the old player/coach knows a thing or two about basketball. Despite your rhetoric otherwise. Lmao

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    So the ball spot tech mentioned was good to basically 6 inches back in 2015. Currently is placed behind NFL shield logo. The within 6 inch accuracy it basically gives you is close to the distance of middle of ball to each end, so I bet they could get it within 3 inches if on there was a chip on each end. There are 3 feet in a yard so they could also break down a yard in 1/3 units (each foot) instead of 1/4 units.

    Either say you have to reach it per the precise measurement recorded to gain each and every foot or let the it round to closest for all downs except first downs and touchdowns.

    If going the augmented route, to help decisions, give each Coach 3 spot challenges a game, like Hawkeye in tennis, and if the recorded spot says it was reached than that is the deciding factor for those challenged calls, and not “indisputable” which is kinda silly because what that exactly means even varies alot as different review booths see fit in all kinds of varying situations.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/29/nfl-football-location-tracking-chips-zebra-sports-rfid

  43. I feel pretty confident about our quarterbacks for next season…if Double J decides to return next year as well as other players given another year of eligility, this team will be very, very good and could contend forr the pac 12 champioship. We can already see major improvements on defense despite missing some key personnel. I’m very optimistic where things go from here. Hopefully, we are cleared to go to games next year. Looking forward to 2021.

    • Who do you guys think will actually come back? I can see offensive lineman coming back and maybe reichner since he opted out but I don’t think there a are many seniors that are worth keeping.

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