462 COMMENTS

  1. Currently no rain here in Seattle. However this is by far the windiest day we’ve had this fall. Deep passes are going to be really difficult to be accurate on. The wind gust speeds of 40-45 appear to be accurate.
    Go beavs

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    I said 35-24 UW I think. Due to weather I’m changing this prediction as well. 27-13 UW* (missed PAT’s)

    IF the Beavs can effectively run the ball, control the clock, keep the Leg humpers and their Penix on the sidelines…….they’ll win. Don’t and they won’t.

  3. Fenwick for 6!

    Despite the fumble they got back on and 2 penalties aided that drive. Good start. That’s what I wanna see. Effectively run it right down their throats.

  4. Wow they need to look at that non-fumble closer.
    What a lazy ESPN rules official, looks at one real-speed replay and immediately says he never had control.

  5. Martinez over running his blockers on the screen. Other than that, seems like we are “pretty” good at scouting running backs! Team looks like they were ready to play. Love it!

  6. Coletto is a real weapon. I wonder if he was banged up earlier this year. Seems weird, the’ve gone old school today with the I formation. The only plays that haven’t worked are when someone slips.

  7. Has going for it on 4th and 3 or more in lieu of a chip shot field goal ever worked? Like even once? Maybe its my bias against Smith’s decision making but I literally can’t remember it working. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

  8. Would not kick in this game. Wind is swirling in the stadium. I’m at the game and the flag coming off the water is blowing the opposite direction of the goal posts

  9. I’m surprised they’ve held UW to 7 points. Feels like the lead should be more though.

    Hope this doesn’t end in another of those “what could have been” games when it’s all said and done.

  10. One last thing……first half? These refs suck giant donkey penix and get a big fat fucking F.

    Replay booth gets an A for getting some of the shitty calls correct.

  11. Bray has made good adjustments at the half this season…let’s see what he does when everything he called in the first half worked.

  12. I hate how WU defense pricks use our guys heads and necks to push themselves up after the tackle. Harrison is a live hate relationship

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    Better score on this next possession or this could get ugly. To many 3rd and long conversations. They’re dialing in on a boat race.

  14. Man, that was a bad time to have blown coverage. I hope this isn’t another game that got away. Starting to feel like it, come on Beavs make a statement.

  15. Can’t call it a trick play, but Fenwick shows he can do more than go straight ahead.
    Now the wind will favor Beavs in the 4th.
    Go Beavs!

  16. Question for football guys, the secondary and backers seem to be communicating a lot presnap. It seems like they know the schemes really well and have the freedom to make adjustments. Is this common? I don’t remember seeing it much the last couple of years.

  17. I’m hoping that the game delay at least evens this thing out. As it was all the momentum was in UW’s favor but maybe catching their breath can help our D reset and get back to 1st half energy.

  18. Not a single down field pass, not one to the TE, not one QB scramble for positive yardage, this team is just a semi elite QB from all kinds of possibilities

    • They tried a pass to the TE on fourth when it went to
      Martinez. The Te was well
      Covered but yeah would like more
      Variety. Hard to trust Harrison.

  19. Kudos to Washington. That was a perfect executed final drive.

    They made better in game adjustments. They made the plays when needed to, and they were better team tonight. I ain’t mad. We held another elite offense to a season low.

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    I don’t know why the defense was playing off the receivers so much on that last drive. Penix just dinked and dunked down the field and used up all the clock. If he could hit a long pass in that wind for a score, then at least there’s still time to score again for the Beavs. It’s just brutal to be a Beaver fan, but hey there was the Stanford game this season.

    • It’s like he was so afraid of the wind that he didn’t want to even try, or the wind gave him a built in excuse to go for all 4ths. Beavs and their run game were built to have the advantage in this game over a pass happy Washington. The only way you blow that is not taking a scoring opportunity when it’s staring you in the face. Yeah the wind makes it harder to kick, but as the great Mitch hedberg once said, “I’m not going to not eat an apple because it’ll eventually become a core.”

  21. I hate to say it but we need a transfer QB next season. The nation got to watch up tonight and I’m sure the thought of starting at OSU next season crossed a bunch of QBs minds.

    • I agree with you. We need to find a disgruntled SEC backup QB with some eligibility left – one year, two, doesn’t matter. The era of where you nurture a QB from their redshirt year to their senior is over. I thought working with a QB this way offered continuity and consistency to the program, but I don’t think it matters anymore. What team in this league isn’t using the ‘one and done’ method? Don’t bother recruiting for the QB position and just plug somebody new in every year I guess. Look at Penix. Sure, the Huskies get maybe 8 wins out of him this year, but then he’s gone. Whose even their backup? Deboer wil just recruit another one year wonder.

      On another note, those 6 points would have come in handy towards the end of this game..

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    This is the beginning of the end for Smith IMO. It’s too bad because I think he has a decent football mind and overall program organization. He’s just so weak in game though. And lets be honest, he looks like a major dork on the sidelines. Doesn’t inspire confidence at all.

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      Still think the Purdue game last year was that point. How is it that 5 years in we do not have a reliable QB?

      The fact that he doesn’t even give the kicker who beat UDub last year a chance today speaks volumes.

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        That’s kind of the tragic thing though because I think his ceiling could have been higher than Riley’s. But at this point I don’t see it happening. Another season that could have been great turns mediocre in a conference that is very mediocre as a whole. There’s no momentum. JS will not reach the heights of Mike Riley.

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    I’m so fucking done with analytics. Take the fucking points. The first 4th down call I’m fine with because we were already up 7 and trying to set the tone of the game and keep our momentum going. The second call was awful. I also would like if we used Colletto more as the FB in the I. More of a question for the defense to guess if the give is to him or the back. When he’s in the gun it’s always the same play and it’s more space to even get back to the LOS.

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    Those 6 points even if he made it would not have won it. Huskies the way they were driving would have scored and gone for it. Right call to go for it, but colleto slipping on 3rd and 1 and then getting stuffed on 4th was surprising. Guarantee angry and many others would be pissed at Smith if we went for field goals and missed even one and needed up losing

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      Nah they were chip shots. Sure they could always miss but the Beavs are absolutely horrific on 4th down conversions unless its a yard to go. I brought this up earlier but I can’t remember it ever working. I’m sure I’m missing some but overall I have no doubt that they are way way way down in the bottom percentiles on converting under Smith. It’s what makes the analytics argument so frustrating. The analytics need to be on a situational sliding scale based on your own team’s abilities. The Beavs are simply terrible at converting therefore the calculation changes.

      • Exactly, we have seen the same thing over and over again. I guess if someone has a game where we played it straight up and lost I might eat crow. However, I don’t remember a game like that. To me this is another game where analytics cost us a win.

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        Even if they make both they may not win. I think the fields goals may not have changed anything. The number of 3rd and long or 4th and long completions was staggering. Missed opportunities on offense.

        • Of course they may not win. But giving up the chance to be up 13-0is giving up the opportunity to take control of the game and play it on your own terms. Instead they were fortunate to even be leading at half and as soon as the 3rd quarter started it was obvious that their chances were 50% max. Make your opponent work harder to come back on you.

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    So. Anyone still think this team beats Oregon?

    This was a tough loss. But it should have been a W.

    Plenty of blame to go around. Horrible penalties at the worst times.

    Bray’s D held UW to 24 points. A season low. On their field.

    gulbranson isn’t the answer.

    This team is good. Not great or elite. The offensive play calling at times is great. Others it’s awful. Sometimes the players don’t execute. Sometimes they do.

    They are what they are. A good, but flawed team.

    Another what could have been…..Oregon St football in a nutshell.

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      This team should be 8-1, IMO. Too many gambles have been the difference. Even with a faulty QB the talent is there. We take chances too much. When your RB is avg 8.8 a carry the first half, why would you call two passing plays? Doesn’t make sense. Make the other team beat you not the other way around.

      • Disagree.

        Beavs have won a pair of tough games that could’ve gone either way or needed some luck to win (Fresno and Stanford).

        And lost a pair of tough games that could’ve gone either way (UW and USC).

        What this team lacks that could make them elite is a great quarterback.

        And however many years into the Smith regime we are? With a coach who was a QB? Unacceptable.

        They’ve fixed the defense for the most part. They just held Washington to a season low on their own field. And lost?

        Yes. They allowed UW a long time consuming drive that took almost the entire field to win. Is this really on the defense?

        If the offense does their part? It never comes to that imo. First 3 drives all were in the red zone. They got 7 points.

        The offense needs to stop stepping on their dicks. That’s what is holding this team back from being elite. You can only run the ball so much. But if the defense doesn’t respect your QB? It’s a tough go. We’ve seen this in the past.

        Idk who the QB coach is? But they need to go.

        Quarterback is what is holding this teak and program back currently. Whid have thunk that?

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    It came down to coaches outsmarting themselves in the 1st quarter and 2 misses by Gulbranson that were sure touchdowns. Jam and Gould were both wide open for downfield tds but BG missed them.

    3rd down rate was brutal.

    Defense is approaching championship caliber but cannot overcome offense or coaches. Too bad, another special season down the drain.

    Easily should be a 10 win season and now they will likely lose 2 of 4 to close the season out, no need to win more than 8 and raise expectations.

    • There were a couple of times when BG was under heavy pressure it looked like his body language was saying “I don’t know what to do”. For as many accolades that the o-line gets, I have not been impressed by their pass protection. That’s why I like Nolan in this offense better than BG with his ability to take off and run.

  27. Hard to win when you don’t have a qb or kicker. BG is not improving. Offense is predictable. No passes to TE or Rb’s. Play calling is just bad.
    Smith not kicking fg is dumb coaching with the qb we have.

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    Guess what Washington would’ve done if they were down 6 on that last drive. They would’ve put it in the endzone +1 for 7 points. UW 28, Beavs 27.

    • Exactly right. Odds are maybe make one of the field goals. People saying Smith was an idiot to kick it when it was obviously terrible weather with no good kickers

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      You’re assuming the rest of the game goes exactly as scripted except for Beavs taking the points. That’s not how it works. UW would be more desperate being down 13-0 and more likely to panic and commit errors. Heck there could have been a pick 6 to make it 20-0 for all we know. The game flow would have changed completely. Take the points to go up 2 scores when you can. Unless you are a dominant aggressive team with a high conversion rate, which the Beavs certainly are not

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          Your disregarding the momentum. Stopping us twice on 4th down affected the entire game. I could see a scenario where they give up. I mean those first two drives looked like two completely different caliber of teams playing each other. Give a team hope and this is what you get.

          • Ridiculous? Did you watch the game? Have you played a game before? I am sorry but anybody who actually knows what momentum feels like understands what I mean. I didn’t play college but it doesn’t take a lot to discourage young kids. My god OSU was manhandling them on both sides, it wasn’t close.

            I mean your predictions in the past have been spot on, how could I possibly muster up the courage to challenge ol whiskey, knower of all! ;)

          • Not sure about giving up but being up 24-14 going into the 4th makes it a lot easier for Lindgren to guess what Washington is doing with 8 men in the box.

        • Not assuming. Simply stating that it’s more likely. It’s unequivocal that an opponent down 13-0 has way less room for error than a team down 7-0. UW very well could have still won the game, I’m not denying that. But they would have had to play it mostly perfect from that point forward.

          • Don’t try to reason with the alcohol. These guys just drink and know more about football and OSU than you or me ;)

            Being serious, I am glad you see the same thing as me. This was a win we lost in the first quarter.

    • Always take the points when there’s an opportunity to go up an extra possession.

      A ten point lead going into the 4th in that shitty weather would have restricted Washington’s strategy on both sides of the ball.

      • You are as consistent as OSU football play calling. Disagree with me and then agree below lmao! I am starting to think Jonathan may drink whiskey. The proof is on the bottle.

        • Not seeing where I disagreed then agreed with you anywhere.

          I called this loss from the get go. Unlike about 99% of the people here.

          Ace card bitch.

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    I’m done for the season. I’ll catch whatever dumb fucking bowl we’re in to see if we can at least win one of those, but I highly doubt we’d see a fairly officiated CW or well-called games by JS going forward.

  30. 266 yards of total offense isn’t going to the Beavs many wins. Huskie’s defense isn’t that good, it’s more the serious limitations in the passing game.

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      That’s what happens when you try to throw when your avg 8.8 yards a carry. Would have been on the field a ton more and lessened Washingtons yardage. This one mostly falls on the coaches.

  31. Of course JS trusted the kicker on the extra points after the touchdowns. Left 6 points by not getting the easy chip shot field goals IMO. The field goal try had a better chance than an over the shoulder pass to a RB that doesn’t normally catch like that. Dumb dumb dumb. Add another “dumb” loss to Smith’s resume.

    • Yeah, that was an odd call. I’m assuming Martinez was the primary target on a wheel route that didn’t develop? I like to see a lot of options on 4th down plays. I also think Colletto through the A or B gap is getting predictable.

  32. What do you do at QB? I was all for riding Gulbranson hot hand but after tonight, starting QB position is open game.

    Gulbranson higher ceiling and has more eligibility so I’d hate to see him go. But I really don’t think he’ll be where we want him to be until 2024.

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      Hope and pray that a transfer from the transfer portal comes to Corvallis. Only Colorado and ASU have worse QB’s than OSU in the conference. The Beavs are an average QB away from being a great team.

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    People are going to knock Smith but he knew he needed a TD on both of those drives(the second only cause he didn’t get the first, I bet he kicks there if they are up 14) and he was right. We can play the blame game, or just accept the fact that this game came down to who had a QB that could move the ball down the field with his arm and Washington had that. We did not. It came down to which defense could get more stops. Washington did that. We lost. Plain and Simple. And honestly, it feels like QB is the only position that’s lacking right now. I like Gulbranson, but tonight he showed he just isn’t there yet. Nolan can be counted on to get us down the field in crunch time. He’s proven that. This team is still good enough to beat anyone on our remaining schedule.

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    Great time to bench BG and go back to Nolan. Give him 2 games to knock off the rust before Civil War. I expect to be more frustrated the next game when Nolan adds to his interceptions…

    It isn’t fair weather fandom to be frustrated and aggravated by predictably bad coaching that costs wins. This is the true curse of being a Beaver fan. The total must be in the 30-40 range of games that could’ve been won but were lost over my 23 years as a fan. That is roughly 1-2 games per year average and JS isn’t doing much to decrease the average. Perhaps every fan of every teams feels the same. The difference this year is that all hope wasn’t dashed in September at least.

    • Yeah couldn’t hurt. BG didn’t get it done. Realistically neither will likely be able to get it done. But try and see if you can find a hot hand.

    • Not to mention this is the biggest rival on our schedule besides Hole, and this is how we lose to them.

      We’ve lost 11 out of the last 13 to those assholes.

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    A lot of you are overthinking this loss. Once again I saw the superior team shoot themselves in the foot. Had all the momentum in the first three possessions of the game and could have took the wind out of Washington. Instead we gamble and don’t take the points which gave the other team hope. Instead of running the ball we try and pass after the half, after a stop by our defense. Momentum is a big factor especially in college football, it’s just mind blowing that our coaches favor analytics over feel. Look at the chargers in NFL, constantly gambling doesn’t pay out ever. The good teams know when to hold them and know when to fold them, that’s how you win. Every gambler that makes money knows this. We are playing like a drunk punching on an Oregon lottery machine and drives me crazy. That made sense we didn’t have talent, now it’s just costing the team wins.

    • Agree, and the funny thing is I’m not even against the analytics. I think there is merit to them assuming the average offense facing the average defense in an average situation. You have to figure out where your team and your opponent are on the spectrum though, and the implications of not converting. Maybe the most mind blowing thing is just how bad at it they are. Is it possible its all randomness and Smith is just that unlucky? I once saw black hit like 9 times in a row at a Vegas roulette table lol.

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        I agree 100% I am not saying analytics are worthless, in fact they are very useful. That being said, regardless of the analytics, intuition is the most important factor. Anybody who is successful at gambling knows this. You take chances at the correct time based on feeling, you don’t take chances every time. That just loses you money over time.

    • The Fresno game was sort of like the game last night. Beavs took the ball and drove it down Fresno’s throat, so they deserve that to some degree. Stanford’s game was pure luck in the end. The USC game is the one that was truly frustrating and would have gotten the Beavs a lot of attention early in the season.

  36. Without a qb you can’t win against decent teams. BG is not the answer. He threw for 87 yds vs. Washington. The Huskies defense is not good.
    That being said BG is not being helped by play calling. The Beavs offense is so predictable.

    • Blah tough loss blah, windy, blah, tough environment, blah blah, areas to clean up, blah tough to kick, blah Colletto stumbled, blah respect to UW qb blah we must pass blah blah couldn’t finish the job.

      This Is what I hear without listening to it

  37. BG is not the answer. D didn’t get job done either. Too many long 3rd and 4th down conversions. Good Ds don’t allow 92 yard drives to lose game. Never got close to sacking Penix. Penalties on Beavs last drive… false start and delay of game was the nail in the coffin. I had no problem with play calling. Generally I thought it was good considering BG limitations. There was 3 passes that BG made to wide open receivers that would have been TDs that he missed. Wheel route was the most egregious. All we needed was BG to come through on just 1 of those. That may be the worst QB performance I’ve ever seen from a QB that didn’t throw a interception.

    • “There was 3 passes that BG made to wide open receivers that would have been TDs that he missed.”

      Ouch.

      Sounds like for the most part the play calling was pretty good. Even if you figure the 4th down call was dumb, BG missing passes like this is a 21 point swing. How the fuck can you be a RFR with 3(?) years in the system and not hit an open receiver? I go back to the bowl game last year. Utah State QB’s first start, comes in and throws a 70+ yard TD and also they win the game. But the Beavers?!?

  38. I didn’t watch the game, but it sounded frustrating based on checking comments here.

    Like most teams between about #25-40, the Beavers are a legitimate QB and a few play calls away from a much better season. But they are what they are. They’re competing in most every conference game, but still give away winnable games.

    I’m trying to remember the last time the Beavers played well in all three phases of the game? When was the last time they strung together 3-4 wins where they played well in all three phases? When did they last play well consistently?

    Its year 5 of Smith, and there’s no clear solutions at QB or kicker, and the WRs appear and disappear. And offense is Smith’s background. Can Chiles be the man? Can he play as a FR? I hope so. Can an improved team, with a new stadium remodel, in a conference with an uncertain future attract a winning transfer QB? I kind of doubt it, but we’ll see.

    And last night blew my season predictions. I was right on track with win totals and called the USC and Utah losses. I had UW as a win. Oh well, getting the first 8 correct is an improvement for me. Ha!

  39. Would have both FG attempts been with the wind? I think the distances were roughly 25 and 32 yards. Passing game ineptitude was obvious, but it wasn’t a great overall performance by the defense either. They reverted back to traumatizing Beaver seasons past by giving up some ridiculously long 3rd and even the 4th and 10 conversions. I don’t think they sacked Penix and when they couldn’t get to him the secondary was at a disadvantage in the second half.

    • I think the first one would have been with the wind. Second one would’ve been against the wind. 25 and 32 yards sound correct.

  40. The most frustrating thing about that loss is the opportunity given because of several out of the ordinary factors like weather and crowd turnout. I’d like for JS to voice publicly how the qbs are holding back the team. So frustrating to watch and wonder what could have been…

    • I would personally like to voice publicly my complete exasperation that JS has not been able to recruit a quality QB. There is no shortage of under the radar recruits, JC guys, or transfers with dual threat abilities. So many different types of teams, many with rosters worse than OSU, have had dynamic QBs that put up numbers. How is it possible that JS can’t find anyone above average?

      • JT Daniels is wasting away at WVU. They’re 3-5, 9th in the Big 12. I don’t know what the attraction was but seems like a big miss on Smith’s part. West Coast kid, an up-and-coming Pac-12 program with a successful college QB at the helm, but no the kid goes to effing West Virginia instead.

        That being said Daniels is not setting the world on fire stats-wise, but I have not watched them much, so I don’t know the story.

          • Scott Sanders said on Joe Beaver show the JTs dad was floating an NIL deal worth $400k and a house in the local area for family.
            If that is what is happening in NIL, Beavs need to start recruiting High School kids and forget NIL transfer free agents.
            Don’t look in the rear view mirror for a guy like that, better to hope Chiles is the next Lamar Jackson and starts 4 years…

          • I don’t know why Daniels and his family didn’t want to stay at Mike Riley’s house rent-free and ride to the campus on Mike’s two-seat Schwinn.

      • More specifically:

        1) Why not competing for best talent?

        2) Why is there difficulty in keeping who we ARE interested in? (We frequently move to the next QB several spots down after losing out on an initial target?)

  41. Bill Oram has a column that expresses many of the same frustration we discuss here. And brings up the aggressive gambling by JS.

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    I was at the game. Super strange all around with half a stadium barely for such a big game. My entire section cleared out by the end because of the crazy wind and the lights delay.

    It all goes back to that first quarter. 2nd drive we have 3rd and 1 at the UW 6 and we can’t get the first down. With the way we had been running the ball at that point, seems like it was an easy decision to go for it because a 14-0 lead was sitting right there for the taking. The second 4th down I didn’t like the decision as much and I absolutely HATED the play call. Play action rollout and I have no clue who he was even supposed to throw to because no one was even over on that side of the field except Martinez.

    We can talk all day about “take the points” but it’s always retrospective, especially when those situations happened so early in the game. You never know what happens when the score is different and how it impacts the rest of the game. But even then, let’s say we take the six points. Washington gets a touchdown at the end there and they win anyways.

    Defense did an admirable job at times, but had some of their biggest meltdowns of the season by far. The Huskies first TD drive was because of conversions on 3rd and 16, 3rd and 11, and 4th and 10. I did not understand the soft coverage we were playing all night long. I was getting serious Tibs flashbacks with WRs just running 8 yard routes because our guys were playing 13 yards off. I don’t even know why we bothered blitzing as much as we did. Pressure affected maybe a couple plays, but he’s been sacked only 5 times all season.

    And finally, I’ve been saying it this entire time, Chance Nolan 100000% needs to be the starter for this football team. Literally all of my concerns about him were exposed in this game. Lack of experience compared to Chance (delay of games/timeouts burned because of his pre snap problems), mobility (he actually had a few decent scrambles but designed runs for Chance would have been so nice yesterday), down field accuracy (I’ve been saying this whole time the playbook is not as open downfield with Ben. It’s so obvious they don’t trust him deep, made evident by his absolute air ball over a wide open Jam on that wheel route. Wind was a factor last night, but this is 4 games of pretty much no downfield shots). He’s been hurt, so it’s not like it was ever a true debate who should be playing but I’m telling you, he’s going to play again this year if he’s healthy and pay attention to how different the playcalling and passing game looks when he comes back.

    The frustrating part about this loss is that unless we beat Oregon, this season isn’t much better than last year. Improved in some areas, drastically regressed in others. The big picture gut punch of a loss like this hurts more than right now in my opinion.

    • I’m going to bring up 2 plays that frustrated me to oblivion.

      UW last TD that tied the game at 21. Why in the fuck were they playing with only one deep safety in the middle of the field? It was 3rd and goal from what? Like the 25-30 yard line? (I forget exactly). Keep everything in front of you. Once the receiver got by the CB there was no help. That was an awful defensive play call.

      The other was earlier in the game. I believe it was a 3rd down for OSU. They came up to the line and UW was scrambling around on defense. Then they called a timeout. If you’re the QB, you have to see the advantage you have right there and snap the ball with the defense out of position.

      There was plenty of other examples but those 2 stuck out to me the morning after.

      Still frustrating because thus entire team and coaches continue to step on their own dicks. Will they ever learn and get over the hump? Cause it doesn’t feel like it when you repeatedly see the same self inflicted mistakes.

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      No No No!!!!! Take the FGs or at least attempt! Most people on here would agree that having a two score lead early would keep momentum in OSU’s favor….instead the script was flipped and UW was given hope. Just get the damn points….!!!! Even if UW scores a TD, then the dialogue would be different and we wouldn’t be questioning these horse shit decisions over and over and over and over. Here are all of the highly questionable and extremely winnable games under Smith — doing shit like 4th down in own territory, on-side kicks and refusing to get or try for points/FGs — all early-on in games where game was tight and he created an inverse momentum shift for the Beavs, sometimes boring wins games, he’s a B- to B level coach and can’t get out of his own way…..it is maddening to watch year in and year out!!!!
      Nevada 2018
      Stanford 2019
      WSU 2019
      Stanford 2020
      WSU 2021
      Colorado 2021
      USC 2022?
      UW 2022

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        Purdue is another one, but questionably borderline similar to USC above….And to be clear, I like JS a lot, but his inability to learn from these mistakes has been very concerning and limits his ceiling — instead of a 9+ win coach he is self handicapped at 7-8 max…. we can’t expect anything different, the dudes been coach for 5 years now — his resume speaks for itself.

      • I’m watching some of Liberty smacking around Arkansas, but they just did the same thing. A long 4th and 1 from about the Arkansas 12-yard line and they got stuffed with an unimaginative running play. A short FG would have put them up 24-3. Hugh Freeze has that gambler mentality like JS.

        • And on cue, Arkansas had a chance to tie it at 21 but barely missed the two-point conversion. Looks like Freeze is going to escape unlike JS, but gamblers never learn.

  43. As for the QB? Can we address the elephant in the room here???

    What the fuck is wrong with Gebbia? 2 years ago he was the starter. Now he’s buried below Nolan and Gulbranson on the depth chart???

    Can someone with a sack actually ask JS this specific question on Monday?

    • It would be interesting to hear a real answer to that question. Daschiel from The Oregonian is too full of himself and dismissive of his reading audience to actually find this out. I mean JS and staff are not QB geniuses, they thought Sam Noyer was their best QB for a few weeks and then a half of a game.

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      I expect a loss at ASU and loss to Oregon, unless there is a qb transformation.

      Any DC with a brain should stack the box and blitz, plus play tight man to man on our wide receivers. Gulbranson can’t adapt.
      Btw is there a quick slant or screen pass or TE post route in the playbook? Do they ever prepare to face pressure and blitzes because each week looks like the first time the qb has seen pressure again.

      • I don’t understand why the TE’s are not producing, with all of the preseason hype for this group. Likewise, there doesn’t seem to be a good RB who can catch out of the backfield (besides Lowell).

        I doubt this team wins two more games. Depends who we pull in the Sun Bowl

      • ASSU has been playing better lately. I’m with you and really don’t see that as a win anymore either.

        A few weeks ago, I was sure they’d beat Cal. But with the Beavs QB issues and Cal’s defense? I’m not convinced of that anymore either.

        These guys are so Jekyll and Hyde they could win them all. Or lose them all.

        • Cal is stout on defense, and Plummer had a great game against us last year with Purdue. I’m not confident with that matchup.

          Sun Bowl looks like Miami or FSU which I’m more confident

      • The first few seasons Lindgren was here, it was almost always a quick slant in short yardage situations ?.

        We don’t screen very often.

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      Probably better odds for you than Luck of the Beavs turning our way.

      If money isn’t the issue and NIL deals can all be financed, who would fellow Beavs prefer as new coach and new qb?

  44. I looked on the Beavs website to see who the QB coach is because honestly? I did not know. It’s Lindgren.

    Came across this tidbit in his bio.

    “Points Record OSU scored a school road Pac-12 record 56 points at Arizona in 2019 and the second most with 53 points at Washington State”

    Ummm. Didn’t they score 53 at WSU and lose? Not sure I’d want that in my bio.

      • So disappointing to lose as multiple teams between 15-25 ranking are losing or lost. Beavs could’ve jumped into top 20 for sure. Another missed opportunity for any program momentum.

      • Wasn’t this the game where they went for it on 4th down near midfield instead of punting with just over a minute left?

      • A good Wazzu squad? Hardly. They were 5-5 going into that game and did not win again after it to finish 6-7.

        Yes the defense sucked ass and gave up 54 points. But there were other bonehead decisions made by the offensive coaches. In the end when you score 53 points you should not lose.

        I stand by my statement. I personally would not want that on my bio. But you do you.

        • Way to speak for him. Ya I shouldn’t lose that’s why Tibs ended up getting fired. I would be so embarrassed to have my offense score 53. I’m assuming you pulled his bio from somewhere he had nothing to do with. Is it really his fault the team can’t win if his offense Puts up 53? Youre argument is shite.

    • Looks like Stanford has moved on to basketball season…how is Shaw still there? He seems to be mailing it in and cashing checks he doesn’t deserve. Cue the smug look.

      • Shaw isn’t in any danger of being fired. Neither is Wilcox at Cal. Shows how much they care about football.

        Search online for “Stanford hates fun” for more info

        • Even if the fanbase is apathetic, it’s fiscally irresponsible of Stanford University and the AD to pay someone as much as Shaw makes to get the results he’s now getting. I’m pretty surprised his seat isn’t at least getting warm. Not that I feel sorry for that university too much.

      • The first opponent is Tulsa……

        Tulsa returns just 2 starters/regular players. They were picked to finish next to last in the AAC. They have a new head coach in Eric Konkol. Konkol was previously at Louisiana Tech for 7 seasons. His worst record was 17-16 and all of the other years they won at least 20 games.

    • Clemson looks like the Beavs. QB can’t throw down field and can’t handle pressure. Poor qb play holding the team back from being great.

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    Man, everything is going perfectly for whoregon to get to the CFB playoff. Clemson, Tennessee and Bama losing. There’s nobody left on their schedule who can challenge them. Bo Nix for Heisman even. They seem to be a team of destiny.

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      Ya really want Georgia to destroy you again and embarrass the entire state of Oregon twice in one season?

      Come on man. Nix can’t play SEC caliber football. Three years of choking at Auburn is enough for anyone to know he ain’t got it.

      He was born to be QB at Auburn but he couldn’t handle the pressure. You know it and the entire SEC conference knows it.

      Better hope for a consolation bowl.

  46. ASSU getting rolled on their own turf. Either ucla is that good or ASSU sucks. Transitive properties don’t apply. Maybe the Beavs will have a chance in Tempe

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    Anything think smith knew the offense was bad and had to go for tds early to win? Washington would
    Have played last drive different had they been down by 6. Frustrating to not get points but they would have lost either way as only reason they had a cha ce was a pick 6.

    • I think so. If we would have kicked FGs, I’m not sure if we would have made them and even if we did, I’m sure everyone would be complaining about not going for it if we lost 28-27. My biggest issue was the play call on the second 4th down. That was horrible but I agree with the decision to go for it in both cases. Our FG kicker sucks and the wind was swirling

      • The extra points looked fine to me. I wouldn’t be complaining that’s for sure! Get the damn points and let the game play out, don’t take points off the board by getting fancy in the red zone…..dumb dumb dumb!

      • Tough thing on the second fourth down call was veiling was covered well. I was happy to see them actually try using the TE but in that situation don’t get cute and go with colletto. I’m seeing the points cal and asu are putting up this weekend and I’m thinking these next two games are tougher than I thought if we can’t score.

      • The first 4th down try I’m not too bent out of shape on, the second 4th down try had the first 4th down stop immediately in the rear view mirror, would rather see the FG try there…. that was the turning point in the game IMO….tons and tons of momentum switch there.
        Most of us had pegged this game as close road game….get the damn points!

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      If offense is “bad”, then get the fucking points! Both defense and running game were rolling, that right there should have been an indicator to Smith to keep piling on the points and keep momentum going for the Beavs. Instead he got what he deserved for the fifth season in a row, a perfectly winnable over-thought game on the road.

  48. I rewatched some of the game, there’s a lot of blame to go around. Just too many mistakes. I’m still struck by the fact that the secondary gave up an uncovered TD on 3rd and goal from the 24! That can’t happen. The FGs might have changed the dynamics of the game, but who knows? I do think they were short enough that they should be made in most conditions, but the Beav kickers have not been reliable.

    Just a lot of unforced errors, it’s not like UW forced their will except on that last drive. Too bad, really was hoping for a noticeable step forward this season. That’s only going to happen if they win out which looks very unlikely now.

    • Go up by two scores and the offense can take more shots down the field….instead we got vanilla predictable offense….D ultimately got warn out. I keep thinking third and 7-9 is fine, but anything over 10 yards is a continued Achilles heal for Beav D, poor scheme by D coach, because we definitely have the athletes to go up against anyone in the PAC.

    • Moreover, anecedotely, from a few interviews, comments, the players seemed down. Not the resilience they used to show. I think they know they could have won 2 more games at this point, and that their season can’t now be special. It will be interesting to see if they start mailing it in…

      • I sort of get it. Unless you’re a playoff-caliber team or trying to get to a New Year’s Bowl, as the season goes on it’s a lot of effing around. There might be the occasional twist of becoming bowl-eligible for the first time in years like The Beavs last year or Kansas this season, but good lord 60 freaking’ teams make a bowl game.

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    Let’s be honest, our pass defense is not that good. The only time we do well against a decent QB is when we can get pressure. But if a team has a decent QB and a decent O line, then we’re screwed. Penix threw for 300 yds against us and he was 30/52. Just imagine if his receivers caught a few more of those.
    Haener threw for 360 yds against us. I think Penix could have done the same in better conditions.
    I think it’s mostly on our schemes. When we play zone, it seems like receivers are always wide open. But even when we play man our backs play off the receivers to make sure they don’t get behind them. We know our LBs don’t have the speed to cover receivers so a good QB can shred us with short/medium passes.
    The only way we can beat teams like that is if our offense is balanced. If we can’t throw, then running only works for so long.

  50. “One killer call against Oregon State was an assumption. During the second quarter, Damien Martinez sliced through UW’s defense and appeared to have a chance at a long touchdown run. It was blown dead because, get this, the sideline official thought Oregon State was going to call timeout.

    If Jonathan Smith is accurate with his side of the story, it’s an egregious error.

    “I was moving toward the line judge to make a call of timeout. The referee behind me made the call of timeout. But once we got it snapped at one, I didn’t want a timeout,” said Smith, clearly perturbed.”

    Someone refresh my memory. Did the Beavs eventually score on that drive? Or was that one of the ones the ended on a 4th down stop by UW?

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    After watching late night Pac 12 games I don’t know if the Beavs will win another game. Cal and ASU are getting better and we are not. Unless we find a qb
    I don’t see us winning. Home field might get us past Cal.

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      They’ll beat Cal. ASU has me concerned. Hard to see them beating Ducks but it’s at home. Probably a repeat of last year. 7-5 with a bowl game

  52. “ The Alamo, Holiday and Las Vegas bowls have the option to skip one team for another as long as they aren’t separated by more than one game in the conference standings. The Sun and LA bowls”

    Most pundits seem to agree OSU is destined for El Paso.

    Oregon, Utah, USC and UCLA seem destined to take up the first four bowl games in some order (Rose, Alamo, Vegas and Holiday). That’s going to leave OSU, UW and likely WSU for the Sun, LA and one of the ESPN bowl games (First Responder, Armed Forces and Assparilla).

    Going to depend on order of finish. One caveat to that would be does one of the PAC-12 teams make the CFP or a New Years six bowl game? That would move everyone up a bowl game.

    I don’t see a bowl game picking OSU over UW should they finish tied. A return to the LA bowl is unlikely since OSU played their last year. Same goes for the Sun bowl and WSU. Also the LA bowl would prefer someone else IF Boise St is the mountain west champion.

    Most likely destination is Hell Paso or one of the ESPN bowel games. So fun most Beaver fans will be disguised as empty seats.

    • That last paragraph got cut off. Should read…..

      The Sun and LA bowls must make their selections based on order-of-finish.

      • One last caveat. I COULD see the Beavs return to the LA Bowl. As long as Boise St does not win the Mountain West conference title game.

        I know the Sun Bowl and it’s location sucks. But would we rather have that extra almost 2 weeks of practice time?

  53. Haven’t seen it posted anywhere but osubeavers.com shows the Cal game with a 6pm kickoff on PAC-12 networks.

    I also fully expect the ASU game to be a late kickoff. 7pm or 7:30

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    I don’t care where it ranks, I’d like to see the Beavs in San Diego. The one Pac-12 bowl tie game they’ve never played in. Ever.

    • That’s probably the best case scenario at this point. But it’s unlikely. Even if……..

      1. UW loses twice and the Beavs finish above both UW and WSU.

      2. The PAC gets a team in the CFP and/or a NY6 game.

      Even if those things happen and the Beavs win out to finish 6-3 ahead of both of those teams in the standings, the holiday bowl would still probably take UW.

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        If Nolan starts we will get to see a lot of wobbly overthrows and likely an int or 2 until he gets comfortable again.

        I don’t expect Lindgren to go run heavy at all. Too tempted by a full play sheet to just run the ball.

  55. Last year, OSU won by 3 v. UW. Prior two games, UW won by 6 each. The series has become competitive, if not consistently, well played.

  56. AND with a 7-2 record, UW moves into the Coach’s Poll at #23….taking OSU’s place who could have capitalized on their one week of being at #24…

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