14.May.2014 Bob DeCarolis: Gas Money Guy

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No official word about this, but I have heard Howland isn’t the coach due to money.

Just want to make an observation about Bob D: He reminds me of the friend we all seem to have who at 40 or 50 and bringing in six figures, is still asking everyone in the car for gas money when he drives up to Portland. From here on out I declare Bob D “Gas Money Guy”. Let’s see if this sticks like Lucy and the football, Ranker, Biley, and all the other great AB slogans/nicknames/observations.

By the way, if you’re asking for gas money after high school your friends hate you–consider this a public service announcement.

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  • Mb says:
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    Sorry but bad analogy. Howland is about 56 plus or minus. He does not need money. If BD is cheap, Howland is about ego. Worst kind of guy to lead young men. Guys like Pat Casey do not quibble over a few bucks. There are plenty of better candidates where money is not an issue….only the booger eaters fret when you get to that level of pay. BD has choices and needs to follow the advertised deadlines.

    • ddd says:
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      howland wasn’t “quibbling” for himself, he was “quibbling” for his staff.

  • Jack says:
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    David grace is an aau idiot never played basketball why not just hire Willie lyles to coach football hire Lester Conner if the degree is a problem he can have mine never helped me much let’s get out alumni players involved again

    • Jack says:
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      I do have to admit I didn’t expect you to devolve so quickly and irrationally Linusboner. It took longer to break JP the Beaver than it did you.

      One post? Really?

      But at least you now understand how much a art trolling can be. Seeing the above, should I also take the time to explain how sarcastic pretense is lost without relevance?

      • angry angry says:
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        Damn, and I thought that was the real Jack.

        • Jack says:
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          I thought it was Linusboner confit.

          I’m thinking I am wrong. It looks like some drunk hobo just wandered into camp.

          Sorry FireKristick. I should have known better.

          • Jack says:
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            He’s too inconsistent. The above run-on says “stale Duck crap” all over it. The rest is funny in the way a peacock walking into a pole is funny.

          • mckalk says:
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            I am so confused after reading this and the previous thread….is there a fake Jack and a fake Angry going after each other? Seinfeld “bizarro world” in action.

          • Jack says:
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            I think his real name is Jack. I thought he was Duck impostor at first, but then he got interesting… and then wandered into little boy playground bully land.

            It was actually a decent troll for a bit, which made me think it could never be a Duck.

            Words are definitely not his speshalty, which leads one to believe he’s just a putz.

          • Jack says:
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            … or Mongol.

    • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      for not the real jack I have to agree. But from what I’m reading Grace isn’t even being considered. However it would not surprise me in the least bit to get sucker punched by DeCareless and Grace get the job after he fucks up the process with several candidates ahead of him.

    • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      and let me add one last thing. That is a beautiful run-on sentence. Do you type in crayon?

  • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    If you’re going to get someone that knows x’s and o’s and develops players, hire this guy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Musselman

    • Jack says:
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      I’ve always liked Mussellman. He’s good with the fundamentals, and he’s connected on the recruiting trail. I would say he gets the nod over Terry since he’s in the college game and has been for a while.

      I would think Reggie Theus would get the same look EM would get. Not as much pro coaching, but he is a college head man now. Note also that he carries some of the same baggage EM does from Sacramento. Was it really them?

      I’d still go for Hollins over all. That man makes ballers out of lumps of clay.

      • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        I’m on the fence about Hollins. Can the guy recruit is my biggest concern. And you know he’d dump us in a millisecond for another NBA gig. But I don’t disagree that the man is a great coach

        • Jack says:
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          I’m sure Hollins can recruit. I would have less worries about him doing so than I did with Perry when he came in on the football side. He can speak to kids and parents alike, and he can back up his talk with a more than solid history from his play to his coaching. And he would be able to draw excellent assistants, who are the meat of any good recruiting program anyway.

          I don’t doubt the NBA pull. The thing is, he was fired at Memphis for managerial bullshit. So he may be looking to leave that behind and just retire to a small college town where he can do what he does best, teach youngsters the game.

          I think he’s an incredible outlier in this process and highly unlikely. But it is cool that he expresses an interest.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    …and after reading this post, feel free to kick some $$$ Angry’s way to cover the cost of his site.

  • mckalk says:
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    I thought I saw something on Oregon Live where Canzano is going to do a commentary on the details of Howland removing his name and according to his sources it was pretty much just about the money like Angry indicated.

    Here’s my conspiracy theory….. Altman is going to eventually get canned over this sexual assault debacle this summer….Howland has been “tipped off’ about this and is standing by to take the Duck job where money is no object.

    As for the next option, I would be fine with Lionel Hollins. He actually had tangible success in the NBA, it should translate over time.

    • Jack says:
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      It was the money. Even after non-guaranteed attendance tie-ins Bobby D was short of the mark. And then he had to guarantee staff salaries on top of that. Another factor was that Howland was already losing the press conference. It was unwarranted, but the media was claiming Howland had more baggage than he did. Hell, they were carrying it for him. And someone mentioned the Adidas/Nike angle. While I don’t think that’s a huge factor, it’s hard to discount Sonny Vaccaro’s influence in college hoops.

      I haven’t stayed up to date on the Nikegon scandal. It’s just dirty business, and I’m not going to contribute anything good or bad with my opinions. Is Altman in any real trouble besides being stuck in a situation no coach ever wants?

      • mckalk says:
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        There are some articles out there calling for Altman to be fired because the timeline of who knew what and when doesn’t make any sense and trying to say that the Eugene police told them it was ok to play the players is ridiculous.

        Another case of a CEO who apparently doesn’t know anything about his business. I think he’s going to survive, but he is making himself look clueless and not in control, which is opposite of the image he has created.

    • ddd says:
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      uo would not hire someone as “boring” as howland. They want style.

      Spread offense

      three point heavy offense

      • Jack says:
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        Three heavy is really a boring offense.

        • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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          honestly I don’t consider 5 guys running down court and one of them jacking up a 3 to be any kind of an offense.

  • Bill says:
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    It’s really not a big deal that Howland didn’t work out. He would have been a good choice but if wanted more money than offered, then that’s that. There are other good choices out there who are willing to come. Stoudamire should be the last guy they go to.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    OT: Has the athletic dept. released the new RPI numbers?

  • whatever says:
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    Is your new information as good as your Howland 99% done deal information?

    Asking for gas money? Gimme a fucking break. Bob just committed to spend $4.5 million to buy out Robinson. What a cheapskate!

    I doubt you, or anyone else for that matter, will come to know all of the reasons behind why Howland isn’t going to be our next coach. I’d bet money is one factor, but I’m 100% sure there are other reasons too.

    • angry angry says:
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      Why don’t you make a blog and whine about it?

      • whatever says:
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        Whine about what? About how you read something on another forum and made a post about it here claiming you had inside information, which was complete made up garbage?

        Or whine about how all you do is shit on everything and anything with no basis in reality?

        By the way, Howland was under investigation at UCLA for knowing that an agent was paying players and doing nothing about it. Possibly, according to some, encouraging it. Maybe that had something to do with not being hired? By Marquette. Tennessee. Missouri. And Oregon State. Maybe Bob called a bunch of AAU coaches and asked what they thought of Howland and they told him that they wouldn’t let their kids play for him because he’s an asshole? Nah…couldn’t be any of that. Bob DeCareLess must be teh idiotest AD in teh history!!!!!!11@

        If Ben Howland is such a great hire, why doesn’t he have a job already?

        • Jack says:
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          Money.

          It was money at Marquette. It was money at Mizzou. Both spoke to him first like Bobby D did. Then they went different directions.

          Nothing but money. That doesn’t mean you’re wrong about it being other things at OSU. The recruiting base is different. And if being an ass is bad for a coach, 80% of them better get out of that profession.

          I don’t know if Tennessee ever looked at him, let alone why he might not have earned that position.

        • angry angry says:
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          Do you really think I hang out on Beaver forums? The person who told me about Howland said he got it from Mamma Machado. Go whine to her and her overgrown snatch.

          • Jack says:
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            That’s a bit much.

          • FireBDCNow says:
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            Ah yes, that great ‘premium’ Lodge inside knowledge.

            I’d be more impressed with scoop that we are using tartan endzones this year.

        • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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          “By the way, Howland was under investigation at UCLA for knowing that an agent was paying players and doing nothing about it. Possibly, according to some, encouraging it”

          do you have any factual information to back up that statement?

          or is it more of “my best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.”

          • Jack says:
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            I think he’s talking about the Muhammad investigation where Muhammad had to pay back money to a “financial advisor” (who was a family friend) for money spent on unofficial visits… to North Carolina and Duke.

            Or maybe he’s talking about Tyler Honeycutt and Lookofsky, which UCLA found out about in 2011.

            Both violations were self-reported immediately, and UCLA (and especially Howland) were found guiltless.

    • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      well, Bob also is the guy who gave CR those 2 unwarranted contract extensions. So, it’s kinda his OWN FUCKING FAULT. So, there is that

  • ean says:
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    Got to agree with the few that have been saying Musselman is the hire. I know from the downvotes I have gotten that this is not an AB favorite but I look at it a bit like the Altman hire. Little in terms of big time splash/sex appeal but it makes all kinds of sense from a basketball standpoint. That is what OSU needs right now is to make a hire based solely on the basketball side of things.

    • Jack says:
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      Don’t think EM wouldn’t be a big splash. He is one of the best connected coaches in the nation on all levels. He is the second best CBA coach ever (behind George Karl). Except for a couple years in the NBA where he had zero established talent, his teams win north of .700 most years. He has coached under Mike Fratello, Chuck Daly and Doc Rivers. He’s worked in management on the pro level. He’s well regarded by Nellie and other old-schoolers as well as college peers who are at the top of the college game. He grew up a coach’s kid (a good coach at that). And he is an offensive genius, which makes me think it had to just drive him nuts watching Sendek’s offense for the last couple years.

      AND… he was willing to do the hard work necessary here six years ago as well.

      It’s hard to find any weakness or downside when looking at him.

      • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        well, those of us that want to see this thing get turned around finally wanted Howland. He’s out. Now it’s Musselman. So we know that probably isn’t going to happen either. Best we all get ready for Skip Prosser’s corpse since he’ll probably take the job on the cheap

        • Jack says:
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          Howland would have been instant credibility and a big name. But there were weaknesses and downsides with him.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    With all the taxes, 4.5 mill is what takes to fill-er up in California. So the gas money analogy works.

  • ean says:
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    Here is what I don’t get. Howland is getting paid from UCLA through 2018. He gives up that pay if he gets a new job. Therefore if BDC thought at all about the situation he would have known that a strong financial offer was needed to land Howland. Why was BDC even flirting with the guy if he knew he didn’t have the money to make it worth his Howlands time?

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Barometer says Keyes could be available for this weekend’s series.
    Kendall Rogers says Wetzler will pitch Friday.

    http://www.dailybarometer.com/sports/keyes-could-play-friday-for-beavers/article_eefeab62-dbca-11e3-a1d7-0017a43b2370.html?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_campaign=hootsuite
    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/05/oregon_state_beavers_ben_wetzl.html

    And, the promised article in BA on Conforto/Davis is subscriber only.

    • progressivebeav says:
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      Sweet, I’ll be at the games this weekend, picked a good series to attend. Go Beavs!

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Are you bringing Flobot?
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    • Jack says:
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      I don’t know if that’s the right call on Wetzler. I know Alonso actually broke into the house and passed out on the owner’s couch, and that netted him a suspension of 0 games. And that was after he had several alcohol related incidents involving the police.

      So does this even rise to that level?

      I don’t know. I know I as a coach would be pissed that any of my players were out that late during the season. I’d also be disappointed that nobody called me before it got to the point a drunk player lost his wits. I’d still be pissed and maybe still suspend the kid. But at least he’d be safe and not embarrass himself on the police blotter.

      • Jack says:
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        Heh heh… perhaps if he has a problem with alcohol he needs to be moved back to Sunday starts. That ought to keep him from partying on Friday or Saturday.

        • Jack says:
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          And there’s one other possibility.

          When I was stationed in Hawai’i, we had problems with sailors blacking out and losing their wits. We also saw that each of them withdrew hundreds of dollars not long before they wound up at the watch at the Hale Koa. It turns out they all went to the same club.

          A short investigation by CID caught a couple women and a couple dudes who would drop rohypnol in drinks then lead them to an ATM and tell them what to do.

      • ean says:
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        I thought Alonso got suspended for the LSU game? He had a prior DUI though IIRC.

        • Jack says:
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          You’re right. My bad. But yeah… it was his second alcohol related incident… though not as bad as the first IMO.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    OT question for people with kids. Has anybody here driven to Glacier National Park, and did you make the trip with any small kids? Just curious how long the trip took with the requisite rest stops and how a kid would handle that big of a road trip?

    If you don’t recommend it, are there any other shorter trips from the Portland area that you’d recommend for taking a 1 year old in the car?

    thanks,

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Oh yeah, and if Glacier wasn’t too far, would you recommend extending the trip to Banff National Park also? I’ve always wanted to visit both places but don’t know if it would be miserable with a little one.

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        I am the resident expert here. There is simply too much driving to get to Glacier, Banff, Jasper – even for an adult unless you break up the trip into shorter segments. For a 1-year-old (egad, is she a year old already?) who won’t give a a damn about the scenery, it would, imo, be torture for her. Your daughter will not be impressed with the geology of the Rocky Mountain Front.

        Vancouver, otoh, where I once spent a wonderful summer would have all sorts of things – ferry rides, Stanley Park, go to Victoria, etc.

    • angry angry says:
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      I think Crater Lake is closer. Maybe the mountains in Idaho (bitterroots, etc).

      Regarding Banff: Jasper is actually nicer.
      I’ve been to 32 National Park in the US and Canada, and it’s my favorite. Banff is a bit touristy and just not as scenic imo.

      I think you can do any trip with a 1 year old in the car. You just need to prepare mentally and be a good planner.

    • Jack says:
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      I’ve driven to Helena a bunch with kids. It’s a long stretch, about 10 hours or so, from Eugene. But the stops in the Tri-Cities, Spokane/CDA and Missoula make it pretty easy. You’ll just want a place to stay when you get there and a day to drive to the park and back.

      Maybe somewhere like North Cascades NP would be a better place to visit for an experiment?

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        North Cascades sounds interesting too, and would be much closer. Been wanting to visit Vancouver again too, so would make sense to make those trips together.

        Even further off topic, I was zooming into the border area just north of there and found this little neighborhood, where your neighbor is literally a Canadian. Had no idea people shared backyards with people across the border. to get a closer look, try pasting these coordinates into google maps.

        49.002083,-122.28324

        (yes, I’m bored at work today)

    • Riko says:
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      I remember taking that trip as a kid, but I was really into road trips and photography and I loved it. You could take a look at Olympic National Park as well.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        The likely weather in the Rockies vs the Olympics or N Cascades is kind of night and day. The two NW parks are rain forest. Crater Lake would be a nice option. I did a climb in the Olympics in “good” weather and never saw anything more than 50 ft away — all socked in, all day.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Yo Angry, did you see the FCC vote? I love the Washington Post article. It neglects to mention that the vote “along party lines” was Democrats voting to restrict the internet. Implies it was those evil Republicans in bed with big business. The machine will spin this to confuse the uninformed. Bye, bye Net Neutrality!

    • Jack says:
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      You’re a little off on that. Where’d you get your info?

      The vote was to only start the talks about how broadband will be formed. This is why it was split along party lines:
      http://www.pcworld.com/article/2154560/broadband-ceos-warn-fcc-against-reregulating-for-net-neutrality.html

    • progressivebeav says:
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      What are you talking about? Republicans voted against it because they don’t think the FCC should regulate internet carriers, and they should be allowed to screw us however they want.

      Today’s vote was about opening Wheeler’s shitty pay-to-play proposal to public comment. But it doesn’t fucking matter, it’s just more hand waving, the open internet is done. If he really cared about public opinion he would just classify ISPs as title II common carriers and be done with it. That’ll never happen. Both parties are in bed with big business, and we’re screwed.

      • Jack says:
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        Agreed. Neither side is doing shit about it.

        The 2005 vote is what got us in this mess… again… deregulation of an industry… who knew? Title II was better for the industry as a whole, and their whining about reregulation is just bullshit.

  • ean says:
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    Kind of wish they would have suspended Ben for the series just to force the pen to possibly step it up. One more win and one more start for Ben isn’t going to matter as much as more experience for the shaky bullpen.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Mussleman. He seems to be the best option. We need a guy who is an experienced HC. No more on the job training. Since he has the DNA and nurturing of his father, he will be fine recruiting because of the off the chart intensity and competitiveness. Dad was also a great salesman and promoter.
    Mussleman Sr. was HC at U of Minnesota from 74-75. He made a great production out of the warm ups including juggling, players on unicycles, etc. Increased average attendance from 4K to 18k and won the league his first year. Downside was he got us on probation before splitting for the pros.

    Warning: this video is only for basketball junkies. Bill Mussleman’s last team vs the great Bobby Knight IU team of ’75, which he claims was better than the Nat Champion ’76 team. Blazer fans will note the skinny freshman Mychal Thompson. Unicycle appears at the 5:15 mark.
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  • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    It appears Terry Porter and Eric Musselman — both two-time NBA head coaches — will get interviews. Both are quality people with big-time basketball pedigrees.

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/221059-81999-eggers-time-to-talk-about-osu-basketball-job

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      And shortly after their interview with Gas Money Guy, we’ll see the reports that theyve withdrawn their name from consideration.

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      I can’t get over the image I have of Terry Porter…..years ago I managed a business in Lloyd Center (the Blazer offices were across the sky walk) and Terry came in one winter afternoon wearing a full length fur coat with two very attractive women by his side! Shaft!

      Also, Mike Schuler was a cheap and a asshole.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Come on bobby, it’s step on your dick time. We’re waiting.

  • wannabeav says:
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    Regarding Wetzler: WWCD? What would Chip do? Play him when it matters.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Stoudamire has said there has been very little convo lately with BDC.

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    Is gas money guy, like beer money guy?

  • Jack says:
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    So where does Musselman end up on recent news?
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/sports/basketball/phil-jacksons-focus-his-inner-circle-and-the-triangle.html?_r=0

    • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      loved the comments about Erik Spoelstra, lol. Shit I could probably coach the heat to an NBA championship.

    • FireBDCNow says:
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      If Lionel Hollins isn’t being considered for the Knicks job (not Top 3) then if the Cavs don’t hire him, which is more likely than not, then Oregon State should have its shot. Hence why Hollins said he would take a call and talk to OSU and then also stated “I need to coach somewhere next year.”

      Glad Musselman is getting an interview but would love to see Hollins get one too. Hollins is best available IMO but I do like how Musselman is highlighted as a teacher of the game in this article.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        I fear Hollins would jump back to the NBA in a nanosecond. A good fall back option, but get the coaching lifer.

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          A bdc lifer??? OSU already has one of them and imo that’s one too many.

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            Meaning Mussleman has been coaching virtually his whole adult life.

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            Musselman……….

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    Don’t agree with the no suspension for Wetzler. What he did was pretty dumb. Wetzler is the leader of the team so he needs to lead by example and show he’s not above the rules. Sets the tone for the underclassmen so when they are upper classmen they can set a good example for their younger teammates.

    But with no announcement yet, we’ll see if Casey is just playing gamesmanship with UW and not letting them know the starting rotation. Or he pulls a Chip Kelly and holds Wetzler out till Sunday if they need him.

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    Buddies wife can’t make the 4:00 start today….so PBH will be at Goss for the first time since the remodel…what was that 97-98? Very excited to see a great college matchup! Hope the rain holds off. JB

    PS: Great job yesterday Jack! Over the space of 24 hours Jack repeatedly demonstrated his complete mastery of a vast number of topics including but not limited to: semantics, writing profiling, arcane NCAA measurements, public hiring practices, military justice, public internet policy and just to lighten things up travel and leisure. What a TOOL.

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      Don’t think rain is very likely today, or even Sat. The forecast I see for Sunday is 60% chance of rain, that might be something to be concerned about.
      GO BEAVS!

      • Jack says:
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        I was wondering about that. 4pm for today should be good to go. Saturday looks like intermittent stuff until about 7 or 8 when it could get heavier into the night. Sunday looks like it will pick up in the afternoon.

        We need game one to set the tone for the series (as always?). But we’ll really need it if tomorrow and especially Sunday get postponed.

    • Jack says:
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      Wait… you read every single one of my posts?

      Even I don’t do that.

      If you didn’t have a job that required you be on the internet so much, I’d say get a life. As it is, you’re just bored being a Duck, so you need to come here.

      I need a recommendation for a good beer this weekend. What do you suggest?

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        For beer, if you can find Fearless Brewing’s Scottish Ale in cans, it’s great.

        • Jack says:
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          That’s a really good beer. And the story behind Ken going into brewing is pretty good too. I also love the reason they’re in cans too. He does things to the hilt. I highly recommend visiting the pub in Estacada for a very different experience. It’s sorta like Old World Deli in the sticks.

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            The food isn’t great (in fact it’s pretty average) but there’s something about spending the day on the upper Clackamas, and then going to Fearless for fondue and beer. They also have the most generous beer sampler that I’ve seen at any brewpub. 9 x 4oz. glasses and a great variety.

          • Jack says:
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            It’s more about the people and the place than it is about the food. When all else is good, the grub is just grub.

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        I read your posts with the most negative ratings, they are usually the best!

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Now your thing with Jack is borderline creepy.

      • Jack says:
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        He doesn’t know it, but he knows me.

        I think it’s funny.

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    Wetzler, 5 game suspension. Will start Sunday

    • Jack says:
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      Source?

      If true… whatever.

      THAT’S not a disingenuous move.

      Ugh!

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      Sorry… I thought you meant the suspension will start Sunday, not Ben himself. Now that I’ve found it’s retro-active to last Saturday, I feel a little better… but only a little. I feel he should miss this weekend unless there are extenuating circumstances which exonerate his stupidity.

      I hated the Castro non-suspension for the first game because of the “it would punish the team” crap. Kids make mistakes. We all have. There need to be consequences when that happens. I’m sure Ben has the support and love of those necessary to turn this into a learning experience which won’t happen again. But consequences still must be paid.

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        I agree. Lost a little respect for Casey.

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          I guess I’m a bad person, but in the end it’s a college kid who got drunk and broke a window, right? Tell the owner you screwed up, pay for the goddamn window and move on. It’s not a national crisis. I don’t think there’s much to see here.

          I kind of commend Ben for not driving, unless he drove drunk to this location, but I’m assuming that fact would have come out already. No suspension, no big deal. Adults get drunk every minute of the day and make much worse decisions.

          Now if it was a Duck player, they should have been immediately shipped to Tehran, lashed 40 times and jailed for 7 years.

      • JD says:
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        Guess that was a little unclear. From what I have heard, the staff would have preferred to handle this all internally.

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    Beer for the weekend… Lagunitas Censored: Copper Ale

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    Is the game tonight really not on the PAC 12 network?

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      all 3 games will be on pac-12 networks

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        My cable guide is saying it is Duck softball?

        • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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          probably on an alternate channel. You have commiecast?

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Yes. We only get the low def version so everybody has big butts and our baseball team team looks like they are wearing clown shoes.

        • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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          Dishnetwork guide says channel 406-3. Doesn’t even list duck softball as being on tv. Arizona/Cal baseball is also on an alternate channel.

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    OT: For football tailgating does OSU sell specific parking spaces or is in a specific lot and first come first serve in that lot?

    • Bill says:
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      Depends on the lot. Some of the lots are donor only and you need a pass to park. Reser, the parking garage, some of the close parking lots are donor only. The Reser lot is assigned by specific space. The parking garage is open parking with a pass.

      Here’s the parking map for last year.
      https://www.ourbeavernation.com/tickets-and-parking/parking-map/

      The yellow lots are open to the public and are first come first serve.

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    Uw up 2-0 early with bases still loaded

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      This is a crap start. Hope you enjoyed the booze Ben.

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    And the surprise applicant is unveiled:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2014/05/canzano_oregon_state_closes_in.html

    I must say he really is a surprise. If he ends up here, it could be interesting. Boeheim must not be retiring anytime soon if his coach-in-waiting for seven years wants to come home to the West Coast.

    It’s a damn fine predicament when it’s Hopkins v. Musselman for your coaching choices. Hopkins better bring the interview though. Musselman probably already has a 10 year vision written on 70 pages… single-spaced.

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      Get ready to never see m2m defense ever again.

    • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      ya beat me to it

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        I have to say, this is a nice present. I would have hated to have been an “insider” who had to keep this secret for the last week.

        Yes… you know who you are.

        This made my Friday.

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    only one of the five even remotely would I consider. Unreal. What a shit list.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2014/05/canzano_oregon_state_closes_in.html#incart_river

    • Jack says:
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      I’d consider three. What issues do you have with Musselman, Tinkle or Hopkins?

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        Musselman has it over Tinkle IMO since he coached Tinkle years ago (not only for that, but it’s interesting). That’s how long he’s been coaching.

        • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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          I have zero interest in Tinkle, Stoudamire or DeCuire. Don’t know anything about the assistant from Syracuse so I’ll withhold judgement for now

      • whiskeysoakednapkins whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        none with Musselman.

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    UW starter is cruising. Moore’s pitch count climbing.

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    Moore is playing with fire

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    Why not Howland?

    ….. A few weeks ago I ran different financial models using historical attendance data and ticket revenue from the John’s era and Robinson Era.

    Scenario 1: IF Robinson coaches for 3 more seasons before being replaced, attendance declines year over year to a season low of 46.1K with only 1236 season ticket holders left in the 2017 season. With a new coach for 2018, attendance improved 50% per year for the first two years and reaches the peak of 105K/yr two years after hiring the new coach.

    Scenario 2: New Coach hired for 2015 season. Attendance immediately peaks at 105K/yr. (attendance the first year of CR was 104.6K/yr).

    Scenario 3: Robinson coaches for 3 more seasons before being replaced, attendance declines year over year to a season low of 46.1K with only 1236 season ticket holders left in the 2017 season. With a new coach for 2018, attendance improved 50% per year and peaks at of 129.6K/yr (75% of Gill capacity).

    Scenario 4: This is a ‘best case’ scenario where the new Coach is hired for 2015 season. Attendance immediately peaks at 105K/yr. (attendance the first year hits 105K/yr and achieves 75% of Gill’s capacity in year 2 of having the new coach (but still less than Matt Court attendance).

    Comparing Scenario 1 vs. 2:
    Revenue improves $1.6M over 10 years.
    CR’s buyout costs $4M, leaving BDC with a $2.4M problem (assuming new coach’s salary is the
    same as CR’s)

    Comparing Scenario 3 vs. 4:
    Revenue improved $2.2M over 10 years.
    After CR’s buyout, BDC has $1.8M problem.

    If Howland needs $1.5M/yr, BDC has a financial issue and the CR mistakes remains his legacy that can’t be fixed in his tenure. BUT, if BDC can somehow hire a coach for less than CR’s salary AND can convince Ray that attendance can reach 75%, the CR mistake can ‘go away’ in their minds.
    The key to this is CHEAP and GOOD for attendance. At $650K/year over 6 years, BDC’s mistake is washed away. Attendance has a upper limit (there ain’t more seats to sell) so it comes down to salary. Whoever coaches next year, the base salary will start out around $600K – $700K.

    [i posted a similar msg about 10 days ago but it was late at night and most would not have read it. Sorry to repeat but it’s more interesting today now that Howland is out]

    • FireBDCNow says:
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      DeCareless is far too easy with extensions even when very little is accomplished. I think Hopkins will take 1.2 million to sign. OSU can afford it and if not then BDC needs to be fired because we should easily have 1.5 million a year or more to offer without his poor decisions.

      • mckalk says:
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        When you continuously reward average results it’s going to bite you in the ass at some point since sustained high level performance is not really the goal. The goal is be ok enough as to not be an embarassment.

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          Arggggggggggg You hit the nail on the head. Truth always hurts.

          I’m in agreement with the person who wished their ancestors had hung a left and gone to CA instead of going to the Willamette Valley.

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