16.Mar.2015 General Thread

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I was looking at National Championships by Pac-12 schools, and OSU has 3, with only WSU having fewer (2). For this reason, I think the women winning it all would be a big deal. Just the prestige of it. Beavs have to start adding trophies to gain respect, even if they are in secondary sports (it’s how UCLA ran up their total). From what I gathered, the wrestling team has a shot at a National Title, too. Is this correct? I have, no exaggeration, never watched a second of wrestling in my life, so definitely clueless on how the scoring and championship is decided.

Also, I am still looking for those Villamin and Songy quotes if anyone has them. Through the Beavrecruiting twitter handle, maybe we can setup some interviews with some of the outspoken players.

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  • cj cj says:
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    And possibilities in baseball, softball, track & field, men & women’s golf, men & women’s rowing

    • cj cj says:
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      From what I can gather about the wrestling team – there are 7 Beaver wrestlers going to the NCAA tournament 2 seeds and 5 at-large. For the team to win the title would be a huge undertaking. Everyone might need to win all their matches for that to happen. I think this is a win or go home tournament also. Beavs are currently #19 and the only ranked team in the Pac-12.

      We will know Thurs-Sat this week.

      • angry angry says:
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        Thanks, yeah I have no idea how the wrestling works or if it’s even feasible. Sounds like it’s not, or a very long shot.

        • cj cj says:
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          It looks like I’m wrong about win or go home. Here is a link to the bracket, if you want to wade through its 10 pages…

          http://i.turner.ncaa.com/dr/ncaa/ncaa7/release/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/wrestling_di_2015.pdf

          • cj cj says:
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            I think each of the 10 pages is a bracket corresponding to each weight class. Damn, learning way more than I need/want to here…

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Angry, the wrestling team has no shot at a title. They do have a chance at a top ten finish if things fall right. The scoring is very confusing and I am a wrestling fan. Iowa is the favorite, with Minnesota, Mizzu, and Ohio State in the mix. BTW, you would love the wrestling coach here at the U of M.

          • angry angry says:
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            Mathematically no shot, or just talent wise?

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Both. There are two paths to the title. One is having a few dominant wrestlers that are almost certain to win or get to the final in addition to a bunch of qualifiers. That was Penn State the last couple years. The other is to get high placements from top to bottom in all the weight classes, ie win with depth. Gophers did that in 2001 by having all ten wrestlers achieve All American status, which means finishing in the top eight of your weight class. Realistically you have to get eight guys in, have no upsets the first couple sessions, then have one or two guys over place relative to their seeding.

          • Jack says:
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            Mathematically out would mean that if all our seven won their classes, we still could not win.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            That ain’t happening, so a moot point.

          • Jack says:
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            It doesn’t matter if it happens or not. That’s what mathematical elimination entails.

          • cj cj says:
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            I appreciate BG stepping in and adding some substance to this whether or not there is mathematical, or any another, reason to think the Beavs might not garner a national title. The big thing for me is learning a little more about the sport. I wrestled a year in high school, took it as a PE credit in college and still don’t know much about it.

          • blackbug says:
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            Would have helped the wrestling teams cause if the 141 and 149 pound seeds were given the at large bids they earned (in my opinion). To much bias in wresting to the east, it is frustrating to me. Of course the 141 and 149 wrestlers both had opportunities at the Pac-12 championships to win qualifiers at there weights. Unfortunately RPIs usually show Oregon State wrestlers should be ranked about 5 to 10 spots higher than they are in the rankings.

            I agree that Oregon states chances for a championship in wrestling are very slim. But, I think they have as much chance as any team ranked 8 and above. Wrestling is a little different though. In other sports 1 team can get hot and and pull some upsets and win it all. In wrestling several wrestlers have to get hot to pull an upset. I always like to think there is a chance though.

            To have a chance 5 of the 7 need finish not only in the top 8, but top 5 or better. The odds of this are not very good at all.

          • Jack says:
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            The formula for a championship is to place at least seven in the top 8 with four of them placing in the top 3 and the three who don’t make AA score some points for you in the early rounds or wrestle backs.

            If all our guys end up AA, we’re pretty sure to end up in the top 3. If three or four end up AA, that’s a decent marker for a top ten finish.

            I agree, these are about as likely as a B1G hockey team winning it all at the Frozen Four. But there is still a mathematical chance at this point.

          • Jack says:
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            The most likely “good” scenario would be that Rios and Meeks wrestle a little better than their seeds and end up AA at about 7 and 3 respectively. That puts us at about 12-15. If someone else finds a groove and wins into the quarters, we’re looking at a possible top ten.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Like this?
            Gophers Beat Buzzer UND Frozen Four Semi – YouTube
            ? 2:21
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B2vE1Yl2_c
            Apr 10, 2014 – Uploaded by cjzerovids
            Gophers Beat Buzzer UND Frozen Four Semi … Published on Apr 10, 2014 …. Scrum …

          • Jack says:
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            Heh heh…

          • Jack says:
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            I don’t care who you love or what sport you like. If you watched that play, it was one of the top 50 there have ever been.

            And then Union wins.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Yes, the Lucia choke job.

          • Jack says:
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            That sucked too… as a fan of hockey.

            It was awesome as a fighting who fan… I guess.

          • Jack says:
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            And I’m assuming if you watched that play you also watched the whole lead-up to that play. That was just an amazing game. I hail it as one of the best hockey games I’ve ever watched. The best was the 1983 semi between Wiscy and UND that went triple overtime. I saw that one live.

            And now Wiscy sucks century eggs. I would be embarrassed to show games against them as a win.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Yes I watched it. It was a great game. Thought the Gophers would have lost if it went to overtime.
            I am convinced they thought they won the championship that night, which explains the epic bed crapping against Union.

          • Jack says:
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            Yup.

            The who were the better team and would have won if not for that one play. It was amazing watching UM hold on by their teeth for so long, then win. They played above themselves.

            I wonder how UND will do without big Mac this year. They did okay against Miami. But he is the heart of that team. They’re still a great team… and the keeper is beyond awesome. But how far does the Hank Gathers Effect take your team?

          • cj cj says:
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            A little more info from the Beav wrestling site:

            “The championship matches are set for Saturday night and will be televised by ESPN. The tournament is double-elimination, but wrestlers with a loss can finish no higher than third place.”

          • cj cj says:
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            The whole article with some info on our wrestlers,

            http://www.osubeavers.com//ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=209966223

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            I’m excited about our 197 pounder, Crawford. He has an attacking style that is fun to watch.
            The problem at nationals is that can get you into trouble against really good wrestlers. He could either place well above his seeding or flame out fast. Beav’s really had a bad tourney last year so hopefully the can get back the upward trend coach Z has them on. The squad is pretty young, so they should be really good next year.

          • Jack says:
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            Crawford would be better with some patience. Every move with him looks like he’s in scramble mode with 10 seconds left in the third. He does have surprisingly good endurance. So if he gets past the first period he has an advantage.

          • Jack says:
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            And agreed… Z has a young team this year which looks pretty talented. Next year should be good. But two years from now should be better.

  • Issaquahbeav says:
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    Not sure the women are playing their best ball. They definitely cooled off there near the end which hurts them from a momentum perspective.

    • cj cj says:
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      Yeah, no kidding. Losing 2 of their last 3 isn’t the way to enter the NCAA tournament.

      • tim318 says:
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        http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/tournament/bracket

        The OSU ladies have a really good bracket to the Final Four if they can get hot. They host the first two rounds. Get through those and they head to Spokane! The higher ranked teams they could face there are: Tennessee (Sweet 16) and Maryland (Elite 8). This looks do-able to me. Just need to not get too dependent on the 3 pointers.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Maryland is good. I saw them play in person this year. They have the athletic ability that tends to give the Lady Beav’s trouble. As Angry has said, if they shoot threes well they can hang with anybody.

          • Jack says:
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            Not to get ahead of ourselves here, but if we make that match-up, Maryland’s strength is their interior offense, going straight at Hamblin. It would be a great match-up.

  • PdX says:
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    Did you mean 3 Pac 12 Championships or 3 National Championships?

    • angry angry says:
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      Sorry, confusing sentence. National championships by Pac-12 teams.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    off topic, anyone interested in joining a tournament challenge for your bracket?

    • cj cj says:
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      Since you’re off topic…is “winston soaked napkins” a thing of the past now? 🙂

      • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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        Yes, Dana Altman is my new alter ego ????

        • cj cj says:
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          From bad to worse? Ummm maybe not…..

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            not literally lol. Just here. Hey, if some douche burger duck fan can parade around here as Vic Robbins, I can be Dana Altman. Or Cliff Harris. Or Colt Lyerla. The possibilities are endless!

          • mckalk says:
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            I wouldn’t want to be Dana Altman, it takes too long putting on all of that hair spray to try to cover the bald spots.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    glad this guy turned us down several years back

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12495064/san-diego-toreros-fire-coach-bill-grier

  • thatguy says:
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    Women’s and minor team sports are sort of indicative of the area you’re in though; the leaders in total team championships are Ohio State, Florida, Texas, Michigan, USC, UCLA, Stanford. All are in densely populated areas and don’t share the turf with many schools of the same caliber. USC and UCLA share pretty much all of Southern California, which would be a decently sized country by itself. The Northwest schools in the Pac-12 share about half that amount of people to be split among twice as many schools. Recruiting for those areas is just “pick who is really good in that area”.

    Also, UCLA definitely benefits from that string of 10 men’s hoops titles. They look a lot less prestigious without that insane run that Paul Valenti thankfully stepped in and stopped for a year. Plus they have a ton of titles in sports that they only play in…men’s volleyball, water polo, swimming…they definitely gamed it a bit.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Swimming is the exception. Most schools have teams and it is very competitive.

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        OSU has 1 swimmer (Sammy Harrison) in the NCAA women’s championships, starting Thursday, and that is a rarity. The swim championships will be right up there with March Madness! Swimming at OSU appears to be a hobby sport that functions only to achieve Title IX balance. Not sure it has to be. The world is full of swimming programs and kids are in them from age 5. OSU should be able to muster more than one swimmer who can achieve NCAA cut-off times.

  • bigditch says:
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    Villamin looked great at practice Thursday and Sat. He was making nice catches on the deep ball Thursday- think Utah game. He looks faster and said he lost a little “fat” weight . Will be a special player if the Qb’s can get him the ball this year.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Had to spend some time in Eugene yesterday on the way home from a short road trip, so my wife could see how the area has changed since she used to live there. It was my first time in about 5 years, so there were several new buildings I hadn’t seen before. The new Jaqua center, the Matt Knight arena and the football facility near Autzen were all new to me. Sure makes the campus look disjointed.

    The Matt Knight arena is huge and one of the first things you see coming into town from I-5 south. Not a terrible looking building, but just doesn’t fit within the architecture already on that campus. Same with the Jaqua. It’s on the outer edge of campus just up from the basketball arena. It’s a pretty building, but it must really be irritating to students that it’s only available to athletes. Lastly, the football facility is just ugly from the outside. I know the inside is supposed to be grand, but on the outside it’s just a funky shaped black box.
    Also, something that stands out around the campus is the students have almost all become little “O” minnions. EVERYBODY has an “O” bumper sticker on their car/bike/skateboard. And half of the students had some type of Duck clothing on.

    Best part of the day? I took a picture of my daughter in front of Autzen to send to her grandma (a duck alum) and as soon as the picture was snapped, she took a giant dump in her diaper. Was really tempted to just leave it on the Autzen grounds.

    • Jack says:
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      You must have driven over to the Leo Harris side of Autzen for that pic. That’s the only angle where you can see the actual stadium anymore.

      It’s also interesting that no Duck will say anything about their athletic spending drawing grants in the millions on the general fund, but they are so willing to bring up the loans from the Beaver Fund (not subsidies from the General Fund) whenever they want to talk about how self-sufficient their AD is.

      The Jaqua center alone takes a couple million per year in maintenance subsidies from the general student population. I can only imagine what the rest of the AD infrastructure sucks out of the academic side. Well, that’s all anyone can really do since transparency is a four letter word on that campus.

      • Jack says:
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        Ahhh… not just maintenance. Everything academic that occurs within Jaqua is charged to the general fund. Maintenaince is only about half a mil.

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        is Leo Harris the public park next to the stadium? that’s where we went to let our kid run around. then i drove around the stadium to see the PK park facility. Ended up driving on what looked like it turned into a maintenance road, only to discover i was driving on a sidewalk to the front of the stadium that put me in front of the ticket booth. Cars driving by were wondering wth i was doing up on the sidewalks…

        • Jack says:
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          That section is designed to be both a walkway and a service road for all three stadiums right there. They should put up barriers or at least signs telling cars not to drive there.

          Leo Harris Pkwy is the road that runs around the stadium on the Alton Baker Park side.

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      Glad you didn’t leave the diaper there. Why give their campus free air freshener?

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Paul Myerberg (@PaulMyerberg) tweeted at 1:54 PM on Tue, Mar 17, 2015:
    Oregon State fans are going to love the new offense. Blending Utah State’s style with other spread aspects. ~90% shotgun. Different is good.
    (https://twitter.com/PaulMyerberg/status/577936078289555457?s=03)

    • Bill says:
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      Only if it works…

    • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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      Didn’t people here (and Beaver fans in general), hate the spread (read: ducks offense)? Kinda funny…

      • angry angry says:
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        Not me. It’s not OSU’s job to groom NFL players. Spread makes a lot more sense for OSU due to weather and players they can recruit.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Exactly. Having a mediocre team that’s never prepared and plays slow that manages to ship a couple guys off to the NFL each year is not success.

          I’ve said it before, bad I’m not alone: The coach’s job is to win college football games.

          Riley should money up at Nebraska and then he and Langs should retire from coaching and open one of those NFL QB prep camps. That’s all Riley ever really cared about anyway.

  • Mb says:
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    Paul Meyerberg. Is this another name for Peter Sellers?

  • wannabeav says:
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    is it just me, or the visibility of the recruiting twitter feed on this site, or is OSU offering more and higher ranked football prospects than ever before? Remember a couple years back when Angry reported in what seemed like July or August that Riley hadn’t lined up a single commitment for the ensuing year?

  • Homefry Homefry says:
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    Has to be the Twitter, I was thinking the same.

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    Chris DiSano @CDiSano44 · 40m 40 minutes ago

    Hearing that former Oregon State HC Craig Robinson is the leader for the Holy Cross job.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Question. If CR lands another job, is OSU still responsible for the remainder of his contract? Or is it pro rated minus what he’s making at his new job?

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        It has been previously reported that your second possibility is the correct one. ie: his TV earnings reduced the payments OSU had to make; any other (I suppose basketball related) income would also reduce the outlay by OSU.

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          I hope Holy Cross pays a lot! It sounds churchy, and they’re loaded

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            They can do better. He should be an administrator.

      • Jack says:
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        Funny… I heard he was in for UIC.

        … and Haynes dribbles the ball out of bounds.

        That game sucked.

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      If it saves OSU some money then that’s a good thing. Five years from now Holy Cross will be saying “Holy Crap” this guy can’t coach.

      • ean says:
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        If he sticks with his Princeton and 1-3-1 I think he could do okay in a lower basketball division. Not a big fan of the Princeton or 1-3-1 but that is all CR knows.

  • BeaverNation GI says:
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    Names of the MVP players for this next season?

    • cj cj says:
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      This?

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Storm Woods.

    • Jack says:
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      Ortiz and Peko!

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Seriously, I could see those two doing very well. Two big ifs: 1-If Andersen and co. actually use Ortiz for more than blocking, and 2- if Peko can keep up with academics (call me a sucker, but I think with the new staff riding his butt that Peko sees the field this season…a lot!).

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Simi Kuli?

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Any Angrybeav’s going to be in Gill supporting the BWB’s?

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      If TV timing allows attending the baseball game before/after the gals play I’ll try to be there for both games. Not taking the first game as a given, hope the hard practices Mandy mentioned yesterday on JoeBeav have the desired result.

      The Grambling DH didn’t mesh perfectly with the gals win vs Cal, I caught the entire WBB victory and parts of both games at Goss. A long, good day.

  • Joe Pa says:
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    OT: PSU Professor responds after arrest: Listen, the point is, I am a sociologist, and I live in an intellectual world. A sociologist always thinks in terms of symbols. And every revolutionary I know smokes. It was identifying with the revolutionary cause. And then, beyond that, it is a symbol that the United States is a smoking gun. The action was necessary. They are going to kill many more people.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    So not only is there going to be a spring game, but it’s going to be televised on Pac-12 Network?

    http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&SPID=127145&SPSID=750123&DB_OEM_ID=30800

    What is this madness?

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Askia Booker did not approve of the non call on Dayton to end the game against Boise St. Anyone else see the Dayton players shorts fall down on a defensive rebound? That was a new one

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Holy Cross hires Bill Carmody

    Sources said Craig Robinson, the former Brown and Oregon State coach who was an assistant under Carmody at Northwestern, was also in the Holy Cross mix. According to sources, Robinson remains a candidate for the vacant University of Illinois Chicago position.

    http://www.telegram.com/article/20150318/NEWS/150319906/1009/sports

    • WFO WFO says:
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      The comments section of that article is pure gold.

      • Jack says:
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        What is that comment about the average of 4+ losses about? 4 losses is the high-water mark.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Those are in conference losses. Non conference blowouts on national tv and season opening losses at home to FCS schools don’t count.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      LOL. Predicting death threats for the AD within 2 years.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      ”They have to see it quicker and get the ball out faster. Otherwise, we’re going to get sacked a lot.”

      That sounds familiar.

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      I love reading Riley quotes. He’s the master at using generic nouns like “things” and “stuff” and making it sound like he’s actually saying something. Gotta give the Nebraska fans a few seasons to catch on to his game, and by then, he’ll be retiring.

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        He should have been a politician. He’s already (gently) laying the foundation of low expectations and excuses. If I’m a Nebraska fan and read that, what am I thinking? “Gotta give this coach a chance to get his guys so can’t expect much year 1.”

        As a Beaver fan, what am I thinking? “Andersen can win with Riley recruits b/c he is a man with a plan who knows how to maximize talent.” I wish OSU played Nebraska next year. That is the only way the upcoming season could get more interesting.

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          Need to be careful here… you are correct they don’t play any OSU this year, but remember they are in the same conference as OSU Buckeyes so I would be clear in the future as to which OSU you are referring to : Buckeyes, Beavers or Cowboys.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Nebraska plays the ducks in 2016 and 17 so Mike gets a chance to extend his losing streak against them.

    • angry angry says:
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      This comment nailed it.

      There are a lot of mistakes a coach can make, most are one time decisions and they pass. However a coach who forces a certain type of offense on a team that doesn’t have the personnel to execute it is going to fare poorly

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        I wonder about another factor, as well. What if the players don’t want to or like that offense. It’s not up to them to decide, but . . . I thought the foto was amusing – Nebraska’s #4 is looking at Riley as if he can’t quite believe what he hears.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Those poor bastards!

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      Is Taysom Hill back for BYU? If he is healthy, he’s one of the best running QB’s in the nation. This is already starting to smell like bad defeat #1 for Riley. Definitely a game I’ll watch or at least record to start the season.

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    Wrestling updates:
    Bresser (listed as Rios 125#) wins his first match 6-5. Hathaway (133#) loses 12-2.

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      Elder (157#) loses 9-3. Thomas (165#) pinned in third.

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      Latham (174#) taking it to the #4 seed from Mizzou. Mizzou kid warned for stalling in 2nd. Latham w/ a takedown with :30 left… wins 6-4.

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        A thank from the Golden Gophers for that one.

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      Meeks (184#) destroys his opponent 9-0.

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      Crawford (197#) wins in double OT.

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        Gets killed by Gopher Scott Schiller 10-1.

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          Others in the winner’s bracket for session 2:

          Bresser drops 9-1 to the 7 seed from oSu. Latham goes against the kid from Cal Poly with whom he’d split two matches during the season… and wins his way into the quarters 4-3. Meeks just bowls over an oSu wrestler who beat him in Vegas earlier this year, 8-2.

          In the wrestle backs:

          Hathaway eliminated 3-1… Thomas pinned and eliminated by the 2 seed from ISU… Elder wins 11-8 and moves on.

          Three in the wrestle backs… two in the quarters.

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    Kindof funny that Telly Lockette has a personal relationship with Luther Campbell (aka Uncle Luke aka Luke Skywalker of 2LiveCrew). I think I’ve read stories about 2LiveCrew and parties they threw involving players from UMiami back in the Erickson days. I think those guys had some fun back in the day.

    https://twitter.com/unclelukereal1/status/578414063895494656

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    the loneliness of an Oregon State long-distance swimmer.

    http://www.osubeavers.com//ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=209970192

    C’mon guys – give a cheer – not sure even real beavers swim that far or that fast in a weekend – over 3.5 miles.

    This program needs an upgrade!

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Beavers are generally pretty good swimmers. We should dominate!

  • Jack says:
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    UAB about to take down ISU?

    • Jack says:
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      Done deal.

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        March Matness?

        • Jack says:
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          Yup.

          And now it looks like Baylor is going down to Ga. State.

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            3 seeds not doing well… not that they’re overseeded just because they’re in supposedly the strongest conference.

          • Jack says:
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            Notre Dame barely escaped, but OU is from the Big XII too.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            what does OU and the Big 12 have to do with Notre Lame beating Northeastern?

          • Jack says:
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            Four 3 seeds… one is not Big XII.

          • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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            Oklahoma is a 3 seed. Friday. Got it

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    Fun Fact – The Georgia State HC is Ron Hunter. He was rumored to be the hire before BDC hired CR.

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      That fact isn’t so fun 🙁

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        Why? We’d probably be where we are but without a practice facility… and not liking father/son coach/player situations.

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          Another fact – Hunter would not have lasted at OSU. He would have been fired before his son got to college.

  • Jack says:
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    SMU with two really dumb plays to end the game, and UCLA wins by one.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      refs kind of gifted that one to UCLA. No way that ball was going in. Definitely short

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        It was still over the can. You just can’t touch it until it’s all the way out. It doesn’t matter if it’s a sure miss or going in. It was a very dumb play.

        • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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          Wow. Not even close. That ball would’ve barely grazed the rim. I watched it several times. I know it’s a judgment call

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            Not a judgment call at all. It’s easy as breathing and was seen by pretty much everyone in the arena as it happened.

            If it is above the rim and has a chance to hit the top of the rim, you just can’t touch the ball. At the very least, the defender altered the way the rebound would come off the rim, making it a matter of him controlling the ball before it hit the rim… and expressly for that purpose. You can’t do that from either side. If UCLA would have had someone on the rim with an alley-oop, you wouldn’t even pretend to argue it wasn’t offensive interference.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Wrong. AGAIN. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG! The ball never even hit the fucking rim! You’re either completely blind or don’t understand the rules of goal tending, Jack. It WAS NOT goal tending, nor was it ever. UCLA was gifted a win by the refs.

            “Violations- Goaltending. (Rule 9-17.5). When the ball contacts the backboard and any part of the ball is above the rim on a field goal attempt, it is considered to be on its downward flight. In such case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player as long as it has a possibility of entering the basket.”

            That ball had ZERO chance of “entering the basket”. It never even hit the rim. Therefore, it was a judgment call by the ref. And they got it wrong. SMU got jobbed

            https://vine.co/v/OYz6FvUz2Qj/embed

          • Jack says:
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            The ball didn’t hit the rim because the SMU player kept it from hitting the rim. That’s why the correct goal tending call was made.

            Are you seriously that dense?

            Note the bold and italics:

            “Violations- Goaltending. (Rule 9-17.5). When the ball contacts the backboard and any part of the ball is above the rim on a field goal attempt, it is considered to be on its downward flight. In such case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player as long as it has a possibility of entering the basket.”

            It is considered as having a possibility of entering the basket as long as it’s above the rim. No other factor is considered. There is ZERO judgement involved. Refs are not physicists asked to calculate precise angles and conclude how every bounce of every shot will fall. They are told to call goal tending if the ball is above the rim. It has been that way forever and ever… and maybe before that. It’s just like when it bounces off the backboard on a lay-up but then gets swatted. It doesn’t matter if it’s even above the rim or on its downward flight. IT’S JUST GOAL TENDING… INSTANTLY AND DEFINITIVELY.

            Although, I guess there have never ever been any crazy bounces that just couldn’t have happened in the history of hoops. So you may be right.

            Sheesh!

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            wow. I’m the dense one?

            “Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a field-goal try and EACH of the following conditions IS met:

            1. The ball is on its downward flight; and

            2. The ball is above the level of the ring AND has the possibility, while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder.

            1. Yes, the ball was on it’s downward flight.

            2. Yes, it was above the ring, now here’s the key word……………….AND. Did that ball have the possibility of entering the basket? No, Not even close. Was it touching the cylinder? No it was not. Therefore, it was not goal tending. I’ve looked at 3 different angles. I’m not even sure the ball would’ve hit the rim if the SMU player hadn’t touched it. The ref who called it was out of bounds under the basket. The ref that made the call was halfway between the 3 point line and half court. We’re just gonna disagree on this one

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/03/19/were-the-refs-correct-to-call-goaltending-in-the-ucla-smu-game/

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            clarification. The ref who called it was not the one out of bounds under the basket.

          • Jack says:
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            NO!!!!!!!!

            Your understanding of the rule is incorrect. IF the ball is above the rim, it has a chance to go in… period… end… no judgment whatsoever… none. There is no “each” test for this call. Until it’s all the way out of the cylinder, nobody in the American game can touch it.

            Until it hits the rim, nobody on D in any hoops league in the world can touch it.

            Density is relative.

          • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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            Based on this pic you think that ball had a chance of entering the basket?

            http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/19/you-make-the-call-was-this-a-goaltend-video/cafx-y_uwaedxgj/

          • Jack says:
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            Of course not. But that’s not in dispute. That it was above the rim is the only metric involved. If any part of the ball is above the rim, then the refs have to assume that there’s one-trillionth of a billionth of a chance for the shot to go in. And even that’s giving the refs too much wiggle room. This rule has always been called this way forever and ever… well, since Mikan… and will continue to be called such in the future. If it isn’t, it changes hoops for the worse forever.

            You’re actually asking the refs to stop making one of the easiest calls there is to make and start passing judgment… in their collective infinite wisdom.

            Like I said, on the flip side, if the offense would have tipped it in it would have been basket interference. Hell, that would have been called goal tending in international play as well since it was never allowed to touch the rim. That’s how fundamental that call is.

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            I didn’t watch the game. Where was the ref standing when he made the call? I could see how the view from the opposite side of the rim could be mistaken for a shot that has a chance to fall. Especially in live action. The view in your video makes it an easier call, but the refs aren’t watching from that angle.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            see the link in my above post. The ref that called it was standing halfway between the 3 point line and half court

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            Yeah, gotta file it under “tough call”. I remember a couple of years ago, I was at a pivotal Blazers/Thunder game and Aldridge had his game winner goal tended by Durant in the closing seconds, and it wasn’t called. Should have counted as 2 points and a win, and the NBA even said as much then next day. After that play, the NBA added a replay rule for goal tending calls in the closing minute of a game. Probably will end up with something similar coming out of this.

            Too bad the SMU player didn’t just let it fall into his hands. Sounds like he’s a senior and that was the final play of his basketball playing career.

          • Jack says:
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            So?

            That doesn’t make it any less obvious. Everyone knew what the call was immediately except the guy who made the dumb play. And he was probably just acting that way because he knew he did something stupid.

          • Jack says:
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            It wouldn’t have fallen in his hands. It would have hit the rim. It was still over the rim when he stopped it from actually landing on it. It was an obvious call from any angle on the floor. It’s obvious from the video above. If there was a replay, they would have looked at the angle directly above the rim. That angle showed it was above the rim.

            What is so hard to understand about this? The only time it matters when making a judgment call is if it is so far away from the rim that it just obviously would never have gone in.

            The same judgment comes up when deciding whether or not to call an and-one or a foul on the floor because it looked like a pass instead. If it’s obvious the guy is shooting the ball… then he gets racked so the ball flies out of bounds behind him… are you gonna scream that it’s not a shot because the ball went the wrong way?

          • Jack says:
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            That video, btw, clearly shows goal tending. Nobody on SMU would even try to dispute it after seeing that. I’m not sure why you’re hung up on it.

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    Names of recent Beaver recruits various sports

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    Big 12 goes 0-3 today. Maybe it isn’t the best or toughest conference this year.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Anyone else notice the toilet seat logo at the Moda Center? And a sign saying hosted by the University of Oregon? Why? Ducks aren’t even playing in Portland. Haven’t seen that at any of the other host sites.

    • Jack says:
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      That’s because you haven’t looked. They all have a logo for the host school.

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      I know there are reasons, but everything the NCAA ever does with the incidental elements of scheduling postseason tournaments seems insane to me. Oregon is “hosting” a regional pod that the team isn’t even playing at. The First Four have to play in Dayton, and then travel to their first-round game. I think they’re even required to send themselves USPS first-class mail.

      It’s all about the $$$ so they want to hold first-week games at 20,000-seat arenas. But it still seems like in the first two rounds, games should be hosted at the #1 through #4 seeds’ home arenas. It’s not like those NBA venues get filled up anyway.

      And on the women’s side, the #1 seed in OSU’s regional (Maryland) has to travel to Spokane if they make it to the Sweet Sixteen. Good heavens. Also, the semifinals will be held on Easter.

      In baseball, the top seed in a regional isn’t always the designated home team, nullifying the advantage of batting in the bottom of the ninth. What?

      • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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        Baseball is an anamoly. Some teams that get a regional number 1 seed don’t have facilities capable of hosting a regional. Poor comparison

        • davemandeluxe davemandeluxe says:
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          I was aware of that. I understood why a #1 regional team might not host a regional. They should still give the #1 seed the advantage of batting last.

          And I’m not sure what comparison I made anywhere. It was just a list of complaints, delivered with little thought for fallacy or importance.

          Hell, I even made those complaints as someone who’s skeptical that there should be non-club sports at institutions of higher education anyway. “Do I contradict myself? / Very well then, I contradict myself, / (I am large, I contain multitudes.)” Walt Whitman, “Song of Myself”

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Schools in Texass went 0-5 on Thursday. Lol!!!

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      Now we just need mens teams from Oregon to go 0-1 Friday

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    Since this is a general thread, I’ll say scotty had a great date tonight.

    Year of the Beaver indeed 😉

  • Numbers says:
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    There we go!

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    Have seen several of these mock magazine covers the Beavs have been sending to their 2016 recruits. Pretty clever way to promote the program by capturing their attention so they’ll hopefully read the other headlines. Noticed one was about bodypainted jerseys. Know your audience i guess….

    http://t.co/LWu46CxyxG

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    new football commitment

    BeavRecruiting (@BeavRecruiting) tweeted at 1:14 PM on Mon, Mar 23, 2015:
    New commitment for Oregon State from 2016 Safety Devon Clarke from Kissimmee, FL.

    http://t.co/owPDyQU6I4
    (https://twitter.com/BeavRecruiting/status/580100200816988160?s=03)

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