21.Mar.2016 Year of the Beaver

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OSU Baseball ranked #3

Women’s basketball headed to the sweet 16 (and eyeball test looks like a final 4 team).

Men’s basketball first tourney in 26 years.

Wrestling.

What else?

Now we just need Gary Andersen to take the giant step he’s capable of in year 2. Amazing what can happen with commitment. I like to think AB played a roll in this sea change. Maybe not directly, but by making many fans realize we can have higher expectations. That voice got louder and louder, and many of the polite, conservative fans, via AB, realized it was okay to question things and expect more.

The Year of the Beaver! Unless you’re Scotty…

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  • scotty says:
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    Hey, scotty doesn’t beav-and-tell 😉
    He only talks about failed beavs

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Sorry Scotty. Maybe next year?

  • scotty says:
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    So I finally get first, and it’s for that? Sigh

    Forgot to add: softball seems to be doing well. I wonder if volleyball won’t stink like usual this year

  • Bill says:
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    Track and field needs to get something going soon. They’ve got a track now. Odd that there are no football players doing sprints this year. I guess it’s no longer a recruiting tool anymore.

    Men’s soccer I think will improve thanks to the Timbers. OSU should be able to recruit players in the Timber’s youth team system.

    I wouldn’t say wrestling is a complete success. They only have to beat out a few schools for the pac12 title. Success at the ncaa tournament is how they should be judged. 1 All American is really not something to crow about. And the first since 2013. Need to have AA’s every year to be a good program.

    • angry angry says:
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      Which Pac schools have wrestling? I don’t follow it at all, but I did read they won the conference. Isn’t Boise State in the Pac for wrestling? Odd

      • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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        The Pac12 wrestling programs are Arizona State, Boise State, Cal Poly, CSU Bakersfield, Oregon State, and Stanford. Zalesky does a great job considering wrestling takes a back seat to other sports on the west coast.

        • angry angry says:
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          Crazy. We always hear schools like Boise State won’t ever get into the pac-12 because of their academics, yet they’re already in…

          Cal Poly has good academics, but it’s small. I don’t know much about CSU Bakersfield.

          Why don’t the other Pac schools have a wrestling program?

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Hole axed their wrestling program when they decided to chase OSU at baseball.

          • Cake says:
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            >Boise State

            The Pac has a long history of affiliate members. Back in the day, Portland State, University of Portland, Gonzaga and Eastern Washington (briefly) were also in for baseball. It’s a marriage of convenience though, not one that will result in full membership.

          • angry angry says:
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            Oregon couldn’t afford both baseball and wrestling? Uncle Phil needs to approve some share buybacks.

          • Bill says:
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            All the non pac12 schools are affiliate members and it’s only because there are so few wrestling programs on the west coast that they have to band together to even have some resemblance of a conference. They don’t get any benefits from the conference. Only wrestling has affiliate members.

            Schools have dropped wrestling say it’s because of title 9 but for some schools like Oregon, it was to bring back baseball. Schools that have large athletic programs can keep wrestling since they offer enough women’s sports. The other reasons are because it usually has a small following and it’s easy to drop. And for the west coast, wrestling isn’t that big compared to the mid-west and northeast. OSU won’t cut it because it has an endowment.

            It’s too bad they get rid of wrestling since it is one of the pure athletic sports out there.

          • angry angry says:
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            At least OSU can keep racking up wrestling titles. It’s the SEC model if play nobody and win titles.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            @ Angry,

            It was a title IX issue. They added that competitive cheer bullshit. They had to axe one mens sport so they decided to get rid of rasslin

          • scotty says:
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            They should add women’s wrestling to offset it. Problem solved.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            mud rasslin?

          • scotty says:
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            I don’t get the appeal of mud wrestling for spectators. It covers the bodies.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    I think gymnastics had a pretty sweet come from behind 2nd place finish in the Pac12 finals this weekend.

    https://twitter.com/OregonStateGym/status/711615404276195328
    “Team peaking at the right time. Yet another @beaverathletics team competing at the top of the @pac12 #GoBeavs https://t.co/9NydXkL0yk

  • Boba says:
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    Women’s softball was looking pretty good in the non-conference (beat some ranked teams), but off to a rough start against Utah. I’m guessing they will fall out of the Top 25 even if they win today, but I think overall they are improving and one of their best pitchers is a freshmen.

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    Angry,
    Don’t forget to include the demise of Pure-Orange. That site perpetuated the Pollyanna culture. So, it is likely possible you got some of those ‘customers’ who are now being educated here that mediocrity is not acceptable.

    • angry angry says:
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      Is that site dead? What happened?

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        A broken heart. Awshucks left for the Plains and PO couldn’t handle it. Its now called Pure Cornhole.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    In Scotty’s defense, is the year over? I don’t know when the “year” started, but I think it was at one of the milestones associated with Tinkle, Andersen?

    RE Women’s basketball. The lost to ND by one point while missing a key component, so they definitely look like a Final 4 team. Anything can happen in the tournament, but they are definitely up there. Would be so sweet if they brought home a NC; put some positive pressure on other sports programs.

    Next up: Raise academic standards at OSU?!?

    • angry angry says:
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      Raise academic standards at OSU?!?

      Yes, please.

      • osbeavs says:
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        Can’t raise academics standards when the mission is to rapidly grow the student population. Have to take all comers for now. Once the goal number is reached (35K) and steady state then raising academics standards might be possible.

        • scotty says:
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          As long as there isn’t anymore sheep crap, I’m cool with it

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Pat Casey talked a little bit about the year of the Beaver on Sunday’s pre game show. Thanked Decareless for getting it started. Said what a pleasure it was being around the other coaches and singled out Zalesky. Also mentioned what a crock it was that “you can’t recruit to Corvallis”.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      I can imagine why he would be offended by the “you can’t recruit to Corvallis” rhetoric; its an affront to his demonstrated ability and his players.

      I can also imagine he enjoys the vision, competency, and work ethics of the likes of Rueck, Andersen and Tinkle.

    • wannabeav says:
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      the demise of the “can’t recruit to Corvallis” trope is the most significant chance in the OSU sports zeitgeist, and yes, AB was at the forefront of that development.

      *change

  • Doozeldorf says:
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    It certainly is nice to have multiple sports excelling. It really helps increase our exposure across the country. Unfortunately, sports draw a lot more attention than the great research OSU conducts. But hey, if it gets more kids interested in attending then the university should be able to be more selective about who they let in.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      You’re thinking about education incorrectly. The world has changed, and the old ways will be gone soon. Service will be the goal of higher learning institutions as students (consumers) realize they don’t need traditional college settings (and newly traditional mortgages) to gain top notch educations. You can go take a Something 201 course from Prof Schlubbo at state directional university, and you can supplement it with so many online resources.

      There will be a transition where image still makes your degree look noteworthy. But that will eventually be replaced by merit. I’ve learned more in the last two years than I did in all my eight years of college. I also learned quite a bit in the decade previous by being curious and online.
      https://www.class-central.com/

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Its challenging for me to decide how and where to invest in “college education” for my kid because of these changes. I think there’s a real benefit to a student being on campus at a university, interacting with people from all over the world, focused on education and the social things that go along with a university setting, but that’s not the college of the (even the near term) future. The alternatives will – or should be – more cost effective.

        We should take this to the “Academics” category…

        • angry angry says:
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          Maybe a two year college supplemented with at home teaching or getting the student interested in a subject so much they want to learn and research it online themselves.

          It’s not just the internet disrupting education, but giving loans to everyone diluted them and raised the cost, which then makes the cost/benefit equation skewed toward no college.

          I think trades are extremely important, too. Especially soldering. You can save thousands over your lifetime by learning that one skill. It’s amazing it’s not part of curriculums starting young.
          I wrote a post about the student loan bubble and OSU in 2012. I haven’t re-read it to see if I still feel the same way or I expressed myself correctly, but here it is: http://angrybeavs.com/academics/8020

          • ObjCritic says:
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            To an extent, I think it mostly comes down to an individual’s passion for learning and willingness and discipline to learn and think critically. People with those characteristics are capable of succeeding independent of the standard college degree(s). But as Jack points out, there yet remains some perception at least that the degree(s) are necessary for employment, and that likely will change too.

            I think the college experience can and should be worthwhile, but I can’t be unrealistic, ignore change, and operate under the assumption that a university experience in 10 – 20 years is going to be the standard experience or worth the cost.

            I think debating between college savings approaches like 529 plans or Roth IRA misses the bigger question of what will “college” be and what will it be worth?

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          @ObjCritic: I know a very wealthy fellow who sent his kids to college not to learn a skill but just to make social connections and have fun.

          With things like TPP coming down the pike I’m thinking that there’s going to be a lot of folks who paid a lot of money for an education who are going to find that they can’t make enough money in their profession to repay the loans or justify all that time that was spent getting that piece (or pieces) of paper.

          Here’s an excerpt from “Geopolitics, Cognition, and You” which I’ve just found on the web.
          http://www.ai.rug.nl/~tjeerd/geopolitics.html

          Snip
          Prevent specialization without generalization. Einstein said this about it: “It is not enough to teach a man a speciality. Through it he may become a kind of useful machine but not a harmoniously developed personality. It is essential that the student acquire an understanding of and a lively feeling for values. He must acquire a vivid sense of the beautiful and of the morally good. Otherwise he – with his specialized knowledge – more closely resembles a well trained dog than a harmoniously developed person.” The elite throughout the ages has had a general (liberal arts) education. A vocational educations (towards a single specialism) is for the rest of us.
          Snip

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        @Jack – – Thanks for the class central link.

        Here’s a link you might find interesting.

        Geopolitics, Cognition, and You
        http://www.ai.rug.nl/~tjeerd/geopolitics.html

        • Jack Jack says:
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          That’s hilarious.

          I have been slightly familiar with his work but haven’t read up on it as of yet. About a month ago I ran into a complete psychopath who works AI and was saying nothing of anything mattered anyway since AI would be developed in a generation or two which would do away with the 99%. So the only worthy endeavor was to try to become a part of the 1%.

          His logic had flaws all over. But he was fascinating because he was not cynical in his telling of this future utopia. Even the meatpuppets die off. And he was just so dispassionate about it all.

  • DamFan says:
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    My buddy’s daughter is on the rowing team. Apparently the coaches are checked out and just don’t even put in an effort anymore. In turn, the team has the same attitude. The women’s team has been on the decline for awhile while the men’s team has been on the upswing. The women had a meet this weekend and they didn’t win one event. The last several years they come in last place at the Pac-12 championships. The coach just does not care.
    It’s pretty bad that the university dumped all that money into the new rowhouse but the coach seems like she can just get away with skating by because she was buddies with DeCarolis (Michigan connection). Why do they keep renewing the contracts of these coaches if they don’t put in an effort?

    • scotty says:
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      Luckily Bobby D is outta here more than the quack baseball team at the plate

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      I thought rowing was a club level sport? Like rugby.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Even the club levels in rugby are segregated. OSU is one of the best rugby teams in the nation in their classification. But they get crushed by the big boys like Cal.

        Women’s rowing is a fully sanctioned NCAA sport. Men’s is not, but it is treated as such and is very important in the Pac v. Ivy competitions. But the Pac does put restrictions on it just to make it more equitable. I think they limit financial aid to something like 15 just to keep schools honest. I don’t know if that’s any different than ARCA, but it’s something.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          I assumed it wasn’t a sanctioned sport. Thanks for the info.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    Re Year of the Beaver

    Let’s assume that the Big 3 in sports are football, basketball, and baseball (not everyone would agree with this, of course, but let’s assume this to be true for purposes of this discussion). Would you trade OSU’s current set of Big 3 coaches (Andersen, Tinkle, Casey) for any other set of Big 3 coaches in the country? Offhand, I’d say “no”. Not even sure there would be a serious candidate for such a trade, from OSU’s perspective.

    • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
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      Michigan state maybe?

    • scotty says:
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      Take Casey out of the picture and it’s a lot easier.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      North Carolina? Although their women’s team took a giant step back this year and did not even make the tournament.

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        North Carolina has faker academic programs for their athletes than even Quack, though

    • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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      Texas

      • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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        Carp, meant Texas AandM.Top 5 baseball team, sweet 16 in hoops, and bowl game in football

        • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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          Admittedly impressive results for Texas A&M over the past year or so. Good choice for a Big 3 coaches throwdown with OSU. So here it is:

          Football: Gary Andersen vs Kevin Sumlin? For me, this one is close — call it a toss-up.
          Basketball: Wayne Tinkle vs Billy Kennedy? I prefer Tinkle, but again pretty close
          Baseball: Pat Casey vs Rob Childress? Clear win for OSU with Pat Casey

          Scotty is right — it would be a different story with Casey out of the picture. But — with Casey — I think OSU’s Big 3 group of coaches is darn tough to beat. The comparison with the (excellent) Big 3 coaches for Texas A&M helps to prove the point, in my opinion.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I won’t say anything about the football situation. But I think as far as performance for the three respective sports goes South Carolina is fairly close right now.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Huskies beat #2 seated Maryland in maryland. That’s 2 women’s teams in the sweet 16 frim the pac12 and most likely 2 more tonight. Not bad.

    • cj cj says:
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      Must have had Pac-12 officials Lady Dawgs (bitches?) shot 22 free throws to 5 for Maryland.

      • Quatre Quatre says:
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        A-10 officials for this game I believe. Disparity could have been worse, refs swallowed the whistle on about 5-6 fouls that Jones committed by herself.

    • Quatre Quatre says:
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      Also, not much of an upset despite seeding. Anyone who had seen UW play entering the tournament likely picked this upset, I did in both of my brackets. Same with Tenn over ASU.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Hey, grimace was 1-5 from the 3 point line tonight for the huskies. They even have a video up for the one she made with the caption “who needs to jump to hit a 3 pointer?” Lol

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Jamie Dixon leaving Pitt after 13 years to take the job at his alma mater TCU. Dixon was an assistant under Ben Howland at Pitt and was elevated to head coach after Howland took the UCLA gig in 2003. From a traditional stand point this is a step down. But I don’t know anything about the TCU donor base or hoops facilities. But they have become a very good football program so maybe it can be done there in hoops as well.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    WBB: Any concern here that the two blow-outs at Gill will diminish preparations and mindset going into Dallas?
    It’s an “oldbeav” thing, gotta have something to worry about.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      They (Rueck and the girls) refer to last year’s loss quite a bit in recent articles. I’m not worried, I think they have a different mind set then last year.

  • scotty says:
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    SDSU about to beat Tree at Maples. BWBs are jealous

    • scotty says:
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      Nope, jackrabbits quacked it, tree wins by 1

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        They have great basketball at that school. The freshman star is from the twin cities and was a top 100 recruit that shunned the big schools so she could play 50 miles away from her grandparents in SD. Too bad they lost.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Stanford game was a good one. They are lucky.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    A quarter of the teams in the women’s sweet 16 are pac12. That’s pretty impressive.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Pac 12 – 4 (Oregon St, UCLA, UW and Stanford)
      SEC – 4 teams (S. Carolina, Kentucky, Miss St and Tennessee)
      ACC – 3 teams (Notre Dame, Florida St, Syracuse)
      Big-12 – 2 teams (Baylor, Texas)
      American – 1 team (UConn duh!)
      Big East – 1 team (DePaul)
      B1G – 1 team (tOSU)

      The UK ladies are still playing whilst Calipari and his boys aren’t? What parallel universe have we ventured into????

  • scotty says:
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    No wonder UConn always wins – they’re all giants

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      I was just thinking that, it’s like 5 Ruths that can jump and hammer 3’s.

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        Actually, we’re bigger than they are. Their starters are 5’7, 6’0, 6’2, 6’3, 6’4. We start 6’1, 5’10, 5’11, 6’3, 6’6. They happen to be ultra athletic and can shoot the lights out, but size wise they’re not out of this world.

        I love our team, but there’s still not a chance we beat them haha.

        • scotty says:
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          No way, they look 7 feet tall. Maybe they’re just really lanky

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            That’s what it is. That Breanna Stewart chick is 6’4″, I thought she was taller. She’s just rail thin.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      At this point the UConn women’s program probably recruits itself. If you’re an elite talent that wants to win championships every year that’s where you’d want to go. I would imagine Geno Auriemma doesn’t have overly difficult obstacles recruiting. All he has to do is list the national championships

      1995, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014, 2015

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Beavers/Pilots at the newly renovated Joe Etzel field on Tuesday evening (weather permitting). Portland is doing much better this season than previous and the players that last stepped on the diamond for the Pilots against the Beavers last May in Keizer probably remember that 20-0 ass beating very vividly. Beavs have beaten the Pilots 24 straight times

    http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=210088388

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Volleyball is still sucky.

    • scotty says:
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      Liskevych probably parlayed that sweet 16 appearance into a lifetime contract under Bob

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I have nothing good to say about Terry based on meeting him several times. And I blame any success his teams have had on them ignoring him and doing what they wanted instead.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT – The cynic in me wonders if Uncle Phil going to start bankrolling Men’s Soccer at UO and is doing a bit o’ marketing behind the scenes? As the sport’s popularity grows in the USA, he may want to position his university and his company for the future.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/03/world_soccer_powers_to_play_ga.html#incart_river_index

    More on topic, Gina’s look at DePaul:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/03/sneak_peek_at_depaul_oregon_st.html#incart_river_index

    • scotty says:
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      Soccer is the perfect sport for the quacks. I’ll leave it at that.

      • dwill03 dwill03 says:
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        Bro, your anti-soccer shtick is getting real old. We understand you’re not a fan. Nobody forces you to watch it. Some people here do enjoy the game though, so you don’t have to slam it every time it comes up.

        I think it’s cool we have a former OSU player who got to play for the US national team, and that we have a team that has been solid for years now.

        Although I’ll suggest: With the ridiculous amount of head injuries/trauma and long term data showing many former NFL players bodies and minds are basically fucked you either need to start enjoying soccer or find another past time in the fall. I imagine the game is due for some major changes.

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          Why so sensitive? It must be a soccer thing……..jk.

          Soccer is just as dangerous as football. Both men and women play, plus soccer is world wide, so the numbers are high of participation. Here’s some stats. http://www.headcasecompany.com/concussion_info/stats_on_concussions_sports

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            Besides engineering programs….yes, chance to play soccer & baseball together is why I chose OSU over UO back in the nineties!. Although I didn’t make either team, I went to many games of both, and still root them on to this day. So give the soccer bashing a break.
            …it is here to stay, go see a Timbers game some time, Army can be pretty fun.

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            That fan hyper-sensitivity is exactly why I love picking on it. That and all the flopping. And the scoreless ties. And the riots. And the insane corruption within FIFA and CONCAwhatever etc.

            I mean, make an average of one small comment about soccer a month, and watch the fans go internet postal lol

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            agreed Scotty. Say something negative about soccer and the soccer geeks lose their shit. Sorry, some of us find it extremely boring akin to watching paint dry. I’ve tried to watch it. Just can’t get into it. I like auto racing. Others find it extremely boring as well. I don’t go off the rails when folks say negative things about it. To each their own

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            Anybody here into drag racing?
            Went to my first event down at the Woodburn Dragstrip this past summer and really enjoyed it. Anybody know which events are the “must see” shows there? I went to Oldies but Goodies, but am thinking I need to check out one of the “Night of Fire” shows this coming Summer.

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            I’d be worried about soccer fans on the web reaching through the monitor and punching me, but they can’t use their hands

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Scotty the soccer fans here in the states are NOTHING like the soccer hooligans in Europe. Hardcore doesn’t even begin to describe that fanbase. Say something bad about their team and they’ll beat up your mom after they’re done with you

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            nicebeaver if you have kids (specifically sons) try the diesel truck drags in August. We went several years ago (caution, it’s August so bring sunscreen and stay hydrated) and there was a community college from somewhere in Washington that brought their diesel programs motorcycle. Yes, a motorcycle powered by a diesel engine from a big rig. That thing was ridiculously long and would get up and move

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            I’ve seen Scotty’s posts about Soccer before and never responded…..talking about going off the rails!! LOL I really don’t care….I find the jokes about soccer amusing.

  • Bill says:
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    Well it’s been just about 5 years since Utah and Colorado were accepted into the PAC12. Thoughts? I think they’ve been a positive add. Outside of Colorado football, they’ve represented the conference pretty well.

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      Crazy it’s been that long.

      I think they’re fine. They haven’t embarrassed the conference. Utah fans were too big for their britches to begin with, and this has made them worse.

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      The main thing I dislike from their addition is the loss of football games against every team in the conference. We used to play each team once per year with the Pac-10 schedule, which also meant a trip down to the Los Angeles area (USC or UCLA road games) every year.

      Now, we only make 2 trips to LA every 4 years(or is it longer than that?)
      Utah and Colorado both make a trip to LA every year since they’re Pac-12 South teams.
      It hurts the Pac-12 North teams to not make the trip every year, since their LA area kids only get to play in front of their family once, maybe twice, in a 4 year period.

      Also, Utah fans are jack-asses.

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        5 years, wow!
        That they haven’t embarrassed the conference is not enough IMHO to offset the lack of exposure to the LA market addressed by nice above.

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        Agree on missing the revolving schedule where we play everybody in conference every year. Maybe drop weak OOC games and just schedule everyone? I know it doesn’t fit with the “Bowl” model but who cares, it would be more fun for the fans (which mean it will never happen.)

        A couple years ago (2012) I had to stop a bunch of old season ticket holders from stomping out a Utah fan that craigs-listed some tickets in our section. It was a game where we were up the entire game but the Utah fan just kept talking shit.

        I swapped seats with some of the geriatrics to sit by him and calm everybody down, and we ribbed each other the whole game. He wasn’t malicious but just fucking annoying/had a major superiority complex for a mediocre team.

        That being said, in 2014 (the overtime thriller we lost) a different Utah fan who looked like a redneck Whittingham was the most jovial, respectful, enjoyable to be around opposing fan I’ve ever sat by. My buddies who have been to Rice-Eccles have had fun and been treated well.

        So all that being said, as annoying as Utah fans are on twitter, no fan base is as bad as the ducks or the huskies (when good.) Every fan base has their ass hats, they just have a much higher concentration.

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    Pittsburgh offered head coaching job to Sean Miller.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Wow, Justin Strong transfers to Montana. Kind of surprise to me.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/03/oregon_state_beavers_safety_ju.html#incart_river_index

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      article says “for personal reasons”.

      Personally, the faster Riley recruited players graduate or transfer out, the better

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        Why would you go from a starter on a P-12 team down to a FCS team?

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          He is into bears?

          Terrified of facing the Gophers. Expect a mass exodus in fall camp as the grim realty gets closer.

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            Gopher- will Claeys win the Coney Island hotdogs eatting contest this year? How’s his training been going? He has to be pushing #450 by now.

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            He spent a week training with Joey Chesnut during spring break so he should break in the top ten.
            He has been watching the carbs and is down to 440. Looks like a skeleton.

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            Lol. The phrase Massive Heart Attack is in that guys future.

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      Maybe they wouldn’t medically clear him after his concussion issues last year.

  • Angry@angry says:
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    Hey Angry, bring me back a souvenir from Fantasyland!

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      he already did. Marcus McMaryion started. You’re welcome

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        Yep, we already covered that. Due to us having 3 QB’s in a spread system I was a little over my skis to say he wouldn’t. next

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Fail.

          That was an argument against your definitive declaration which you definitively denied.

          Try again.

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      What are you even talking about?

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        ” I like to think AB played a roll in this sea change. Maybe not directly, but by making many fans realize we can have higher expectations. That voice got louder and louder, and many of the polite, conservative fans, via AB, realized it was okay to question things and expect more.”

        He’s referring to that paragraph you wrote

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          Oh ok. Well that’s what happened so sucks to be him.

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        Fantasyland is one of the sectors at Disney parks.

        So I think he wants you to bring him some Mickey ears… because he knows he has no capacity for listening or understanding… and hopes those felt souvenirs might help.

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          fantasyland is also a place in Jack’s brain. Way to go Tugg! Care to show us your finger paintings from yesterday? I’m sure they’re really good!

      • Angry@angry says:
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        AngryBeavs had nothing to do with this. You even suggested that it was time to put Casey in an Administrative role to bring in Brosius. And you talk shot about BDC yet he brought in both basketball coaches and the football coach.

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          Pretty short sighted observations, but makes sense since you havent been on this site for more than a year.

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            Okay well this years successes, don’t happen without Tinkle, brought in by BDC, not without Rueck (BDC), definitely not without Casey, who Angry mentioned last year he won’t even watch and suggested he be put in administration… And Anderson seems to be on right track, again brought in by BDC. Angry can’t get press credentials, and even had the Twitter blocked…

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          For the longest time I stood up for BDC while people railed on him. It was the Riley contract that made me sour on him. It was one of the worst contracts in history. He had the women’s BB coach and CR around that time. But what pissed me off most was how he (mis)treated lower $ donors/fans. I wrote Bob directly about this, and he admitted it was bad and added options for smaller donations. This is all documented over the years; you can’t rewrite history.

          Anyway, then he redeemed himself with the Tinkle hire (we’ll see on GA, but I loved the hire). Donors basically hired Rueck, btw. There was a huge calling for him that BDC had to listen to.

          BDC has nothing to do with Casey, and so what if I thought Casey should consider the AD role? You act like I was adamant about it, when it was an idea being thrown out there. Most of that was because Casey was considering retirement every year and burnt out, and I didn’t want to miss on a good replacement while he was available. Casey has warts, though…bunting with 1 out is just awful. Batting Gabe Clark 4th = awful. And for the record, I said I couldn’t watch Beavers baseball if Clark was batting 4th, not your re-writing of history that I said I can’t watch Casey.

          I never wanted press credentials — it was a ploy to get free tickets. NiceBeaver runs the Twitter, so I had nothing blocked.

          You’re so pathetic, dude.

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            You’re right. The best coach the school has ever had in any sport has “warts”. Go talk to alumni, or even better, former players… And if they’ve even heard of you, they laugh at you.

            You’re “idea” of having Casey step down is stupid. Casey’s strategies are more successful than anything you’ve ever done. And whatever your angle for credentials, you were denied, and bitter about it. The Twitter was related to your website, and blocked. Whoever edited the posters laid out for the recruits to put “Angrybeavs” on it… That was so minor league. Even if donors were calling for Rueck, it takes guts to hire a D3 coach, and it’s paid off big time.

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            I suppose the poster editing was “minor league”, but you don’t know the backstory about where those photos came from and why i edited them. The image was not public prior to when i posted it, the source who gave it to me asked me to put it on the twitter account, and that source was not a recruit. Do the math.
            I put the angrybeavs.com on the picture because i knew it would end up on other sites, and since this wasn’t a picture I just found on the internet, that would only mean the picture was lifted from the twitter account.

            Sure enough, it ended up on Oregonlive and Blitz later that day. I know because it had “angrybeavs.com” printed on it still. Andrew Nemec reached out and asked for permission to use it, while blitz did not. Blitz also took it down shortly after they realized it had angrybeavs.com on it.

            Btw, minor league is a compliment. The twitter account isn’t supposed to be professional quality. It’s just for fun and sharing info with fans.

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            Nice, as I’ve stated before, 99% of why I come to this site is the recruiting info. It’s good stuff for any fan. So my issues really don’t stem from your work at all. Actually I applaud your work, many people I’m sure appreciate it.

            Angry’s pat myself on the back, I’m right 99% of the time ego is seriously annoying. “I won’t watch as long as Casey bats Clark 4th”… “I never said I wouldn’t watch Casey’s team, just a Casey club that bats Clark 4th”…. Casey deserves a freakin statue, maybe, just maybe he knows baseball better than anyone on this site.

            I pray, yeah Jack… Pray that angry gives this site to someone else so he can focus on his other hobbies. Angry, notice I said give, not sell as you mentioned before.

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            Not worth responding to since you like to just go in circles/hope repeating it will make people believe you. Everything is covered above.

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            NiceBeaver, making the minor leagues is better than 99.999999% of everyone who has ever played baseball!

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            Funny how the handful of times people got their panties in a bunch over the twitter account, the info that was shared was provided to me and I was encouraged to share it. (Except maybe the dumpster fire tweet, which came after we got killed by UCLA and booted a player off the team, which I still contend was the low point of the season and very dumpster fire-esque)

            Point being, people may not always like what they see on the twitter feed, but don’t kill the messenger. If somebody provides me with info, I will share it, unless instructed otherwise.

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            Samesies to you Angry. I’m right, you’re wrong, repeat. QB’s, I’m right, Riley, I’m right, BDC, I’m right… Oh Casey, I may have been wrong but I didn’t actually mean it, just throwing it out there.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You pray weirdly.

            I would at least ask for a scratch-off if I were you.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            “as I’ve stated before, 99% of why I come to this site is the recruiting info. It’s good stuff for any fan. So my issues really don’t stem from your work at all. Actually I applaud your work, many people I’m sure appreciate it.

            Angry’s pat myself on the back, I’m right 99% of the time ego is seriously annoying.”

            As previously stated. You have options. Continue the hate speech is option 1. Option 2 is start your own website where you don’t find the “tyranny and oppression.”

            It’s really that simple.

            You could also use twitter as a source for your recruiting news? Then you don’t have to waste anyone’s time here.

            It’s also really that simple.

            Honestly though you probably just prefer busting Angry’s balls. The holier than thou attitude you and a few other Blitz fags display has been duly noted. And no one gives a shit.

            Or you can continue to whine like a little bitch about what you don’t like. On an internet forum about Beaver sports.

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            Thanks whiskey, I’ve never been a member or even a visitor of blitz.

            Hate speech? I don’t even use foul language, yet Jack and angry and you just used hate speech by calling me a “blitz fag”.

            If anyone here is interested in taking this over for angry so he isn’t bothered by a hall of fame coaches strategy anymore, let’s talk. Maybe even Angry would start a new thread on that.

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            Because Pat Casey is a HOF coach he can’t be questioned? If Pat Casey jumps off a bridge you jump? You’re mentally weak, and that’s a you problem. I will question anyone if they deserve it.

            The probability of scoring a run with a runner on 2nd with 2 outs is .22. The probability of scoring a run with a runner on 1st with 1 out is .27.

            Bunting with 1 out is stupid.

            Batting Gabe Clark 4th was also stupid. As were many many other things he’s done. You can’t see it, it’s a you problem.

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            Mentally weak? Okay buddy. More like realistic. Casey’s been a successful coach for how long? He likely isn’t going change philosophy after this long. And you aren’t going to find someone better. So deal with it. Better yet, ENJOY it. But you’re Anry, you don’t enjoy much. And “that’s a you problem”.

          • Jack says:
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            Hate speech? I don’t even use foul language, yet Jack and angry and you just used hate speech by calling me a “blitz fag”.

            Umm… do you want to amend this outright lie? Hell! It’s not even outright, I guess. You have to create a straw man first. But it’s pretty bad as bearing false witness goes. I’ll give you a chance to do so before I put it in the “Logbook of A@A stupidities, lies and forgetting that the interwebs archive A@A’s stupidities and lies.”

          • Jack Jack says:
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            A@A,

            I used to think you were amusing and irrational. But lies like that smack of desperate and dangerous thought. You would do well to reel yourself in before someone out there decides your less than thoughtful blurbs beg retaliation.

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            Retaliation? What, is Jack threatening me? #1 threaten all you want, #2, you cuss people out all call people names all the time. That’s what I was referring to.

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    For those that want to see the Beavers first televised game of the season, tonight’s game at Portland will be on Comcast Sportsnet NW tonight at 8 on tape delay

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    3-0 still top of 1

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    Harrison 2out double 4-0 top 2

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    Beavs up 9-1 top 5

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    Lol

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    Bryce done after 4. Heimlich is in.

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    12-3

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    Heimlich is choking. Needs the maneuver.

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    Conspiracy theory time……….radio link goes dead just as Jim Wilson is about to reveal location of annual fishing trip.
    Considering the competition, Luke not turning in a great performance tonight, 2.2 innings 5 hits/4 runs.

    Oh boy, Pomeroy coming in with 2 down in b6. He has wasted other opportunities this season.

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      Come on. There’s no conspiracy involved. Everyone knows where the trip is going to be.

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    Pomeroy appears to be the second coming of Cole Brocker; only difference – Brocker couldn’t control a wicked curve while Pomeroy can’t harness a strong fastball. Who’s next?

    Pomeroy tonight: .1 innings pitched, 1 strike of 7 total pitches, 1HBP, 1WP.

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    Comcast Sportsnet commentator keeps calling him Ice Logan

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    12-6 Beavs after 6 full

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    Church in to start the 7th, against this level of batters I’m expecting good things.
    Ice enters as well. I think Casey wants to be sure this doesn’t get out of hand and that Ice will be a calming influence on Church. Gretler seemed adequate tonight.

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    Church starts the first three batters with 0-2 counts and goes full on all three, gets two outs and BB for the third.

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      I have to call out non aggressive pitch calls. Coach should know putting the ball in play off a favorable count is better than painting the corners, waiting and hoping for a good outcome.

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    Beavs win 13-6

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    Opinions on who was the best pitcher for the Beavs tonight? Or, better yet, pitching overall?
    Nobody was overwhelming, or even much better than adequate considering the competition.

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      according to oregonlive’s writeup on the game Bryce Fehmel got the win. How? He only pitched 3 innings. I thought a starting pitcher had to go a minimum of 5 innings to be in line for the win. Or is that a mlb thing only???

      As for your question, Fehmel has been a very reliable arm in middle/late relief. He wasn’t awful tonight but he’s a freshman and quite honestly that’s the role he should be in right now. With Heimlich’s struggles lately idk who should be the midweek starter. Maybe Casey has it right with Jake Thompson being in the weekend rotation. Right now this lack of quality depth in the pitching department is concerning.

      Gonna find out a lot about this team Thursday evening. Cal’s Dalton Jeffries is very good

      Easter weekend coming up folks so the games are Thursday-Saturday

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        Yes… because Thursday through Saturday are less important than Sunday in the whole Easter thing… because it’s a Passover event and all.

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          Do I care?………….We’re aware Jack, you think anyone that believes in religion is an idiot.
          On the other hand, I honestly don’t care what you or anyone else believes. Or what you think.
          Understandably I was just stating why the games are Thursday-Saturday this weekend. If a
          Change in that rule is what you would prefer I suggest you contact the Pac-12 offices. No games on
          Easter Sunday is an injustice in Jack’s world and should be banned immediately!

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Your irrational thoughts are noted… in your defense of irrationality.

            Sunday is Sunday, just like any other Sunday. It’s the first day of the week. That makes it the seventh day of the week according to some. Why? Because. And because I forced everyone to keep their stores closed on the first day of the week up until the late 80’s, what I don’t dictate is stupid.

            I’m starting to understand your logic, whiskey.

            Further understanding that the word of the Bible is what drives this logic makes me read the words in it and leads me to understand that the Passion and the Resurrection all occurred during Passover.

            So…yay for Jack being the evil oppressor who makes people do things against their will for no discernible reason… yay… that guy. He’s evil.

            Let us pray.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I also understand it’s not your logic.

            But I’m surprised to find you’re a puppet. I thought differently of you.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            “But I’m surprised to find you’re a puppet. I thought differently of you.”

            Bzzzzzt! I’m sorry but that’s not the answer we were looking for. Better luck next time. Dink, tell Jack what he he’s won……………

            Fucking nothing

            Apparently you missed the “I don’t give a fuck” part what anyone else believes. Or even what you think. Despite that stick up your ass that makes you feel smarter and more superior to everyone that disagrees or thinks differently than you. Please continue to enjoy your delusional thoughts though. They’re good for quite a few laughs. That stick is a puppet though. Removal is up to you

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            Not caring is your schtick. Religion imposing blue laws on otherwise enterprising individuals is another annoying thing altogether. I’m not talking Jews eating at Chinese restaurants on Christmas Day, a holiday outlawed by the founding fathers. I’m talking an imposition placed on all by government in opposition to the law of the land.

            Be apathetic and ignorant all you want. But don’t pretend self-righteous ass-holes don’t impose their religious wills through law when they should also be apathetic toward the subject.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            It’s not a schtick.

            Look in the mirror if you want to see a self righteous asshole

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Yeah.

            And that’s why this conversation has lasted more than one post.

            Get over yourself for once. Who has hypocritically intimated that whom is fatally wrong in their philosophy here? Who enlists straw men in his army of apathetic arguments that go on and on and on… without emotional language, of course.

            Face it. You’re easy so long as you leave yourself open to it. Life is life. Death is death. You can’t celebrate either with truth until you separate the two.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    I brought up the thought of a contract extension/raise for Wayne Tinkle last week. It appears it’s already a foregone conclusion. Rueck too. I would imagine Rueck is going to be a hot commodity in the near future if he isn’t already considering what he’s done in 6 years.

    Oregon State is “aggressively pursuing” contract extensions for both men’s basketball coach Wayne Tinkle and women’s basketball coach Scott Rueck, a university spokesman told The Oregonian/OregonLive

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/03/oregon_state_aggressively_purs.html#incart_river_index

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I would agree to Sweet 16 berths as justification. That’s equivalent to a top 6 finish in football.

      I guess that would mean a top 25 in football would warrant the same? I guess that would be fair.

      I just don’t like justifying exorbitant executive pay by pointing at student play.

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      I like the idea of contract extensions. Rueck is solid and presents little risk. It may be a bit premature for Tinkle, but it also signals commitment by both parties and signals to recruits that OSU is seizing on the momentum of its recent season, understands it is improving, and commits to a successful PROGRAM.

      Now, about that boxing out and rebounding Tinkle….get on it.

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    They should win Saturday against DePaul, but I think Baylor will probably beat them in the Elite Eight. Getting to the Elite Eight is still pretty good though. If they do beat Baylor, UConn will likely crush because… they’re UConn. It will be fun to watch though! Here’s hoping things go OSU’s way.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Wow!

      That was a deep analysis of women’s hoops. Who does UCONN beat after they crush us in the semi… because things didn’t go a way?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        The reality in women’s hoops is everyone is playing for second place. It would take a Nova vs Georgetown type game. Unlikely.

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          Have Typhoid Tinkle pay the UConn ladies a visit

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Re: Strong transfer

    http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/article_2457593f-017e-5e64-8e12-01f8d223fb34.html

    Strong appeared on the Grizzlies’ radar after differences between him and Oregon State’s first-year staff fomented. Strong was recruited to Corvallis by Mike Reilly, who after two years mentoring the safety accepted a job at Nebraska. While in Lincoln, Reilly hired Shann Schillinger, who spent a season with the Cornhuskers before accepting a job as Montana’s safeties coach in February.

    That connection alerted the staff to Strong when he was granted his release from Oregon State. Strong came on a visit to Missoula the weekend of March 4, telling the Missoulian at the time it was the only visit he planned on taking.”

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I thought Strong was retiring because he had a tendency to too often try and tackle with his shoulder… and nothing else. Did we not honor that retirement? Was that an incorrect report?

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        Oh come on Jack, in his highlights on that site, he wrapped up 2 or 3 times…

        I always thought he had the speed and physical capacity to play in the PAC, and hoped this staff would improve his decision making and tackling.

        The incoming DBs could quickly make up for his transfer…

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      Differences: “You have to tackle.”

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Here is how I remember Strong, and what it may mean; am I off base?
      1) seems to me Strong made a lot of tackles and had a nose for the ball
      2)word was he sat out due to concussion or concussion like problems
      3)now he is healthy enough to move to another team

      CONCLUSION: I was wrong about his skill and Andersen doesn’t mind keeping the whole story under wraps as he seeks to improve this team There was at least one other instance where Andersen seemed to play it close to the vest (maybe when Seth was left home?).
      Not passing judgement on his methods, and probably not stating anything new here. He has been open about the need to change culture and is walkin’ the walk.
      Comments?

      FOR REFERENCE: Strong had ZERO TFL, but just under 7 tackles/game. Leading tackler (Mageo-also gone) had just over 7 t/g

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    Incoming freshman guard Jacquori McLaughlin wins Mr. Basketball in Washington. I’ll go toe to toe with grumpy ol Bill and say this guy takes over starting PG for the Beavs at some point next season. Averaged 18 points and 9 assists with 4 steals per game. Impressive would be putting it lightly

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      I feel like Derrick Bruce has it pretty sewn up if he gets even marginally better this offseason. The coach trusts him, he’s extremely good at breaking the press, he can score if needed, and the combination of his shot and speed makes him incredibly hard to guard. Plus if you watch he actually tries to get his teammates involved a lot. Even at the highest level, generally primary ball handlers are either fast or can shoot. Doing both creates major problems for opposing coaches and defenders. And down the stretch (USC/UCLA through the NCAAT) he was arguably our second most important player. Kept us in the Cal game, knocked down some shots and got some assists against VCU, improved his on-ball defense.

      The biggest thing with Bruce is gonna be himself. Can he avoid getting into trouble and keep his grades right? He does that…he’ll be all conference.

      With McLaughlin though, the assists translates really well to the college game. 8.6 APG is extremely impressive at the high school level. With 32 minutes and having only so-so to good teammates makes it difficult. That means he’s finding open guys at multiple junctures: in transition, open for three, penetrating and getting it to a big for a layup (and making it catchable and finishable). I definitely look for him to get big ball handler minutes.

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        Sounds like a perfect third combo guard. Bruce has been through the battles and will probably start at the beginning of the year. MD better step it up if he wants meaningful minutes next year.

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        McLaughlin sounds like more of a true point. I like Bruce and what he brings but he plays a bit more like a combo guard. I imagine Bruce will start but that he will slide over to the off guard when McLaughlin is in the game.

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        Derrick Bruce needs to learn to play defense…or at least get strong enough to play it in P12 play. He is going to be an incredible player, but he could not keep a guy out of the lane to save his life. I’m not down on him, just saying…when his d catches up with his o, he will be really, really good.

        That is one area that Duvivier excelled – he was as close to a lock down perimeter defender as we had outside of GP. Made very few mistakes, and played fantastic defense. Starting or not, there should be a spot in the rotation for him.

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          MD should practice layups……..a lot. How can somebody built like him be so weak at the rim? Dude looks like a D1 linebacker.

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          Bruce doesn’t really need to get stronger, what the Beavers need is a big man in the middle to block shots so that the perimeter guys can play more aggressive and direct their man into the shot blocker.

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          Duvivier was an alright defender. He had TWO second half screw ups on the perimeter in the tourney game vs Cal which allowed wide open crucial 3 point shots. Those 6 points really hurt us.

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        Is he officially signed? I forgot.

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          Yes. He also owns his high school’s school record for Free Throw Percentage. I like Bruce too but his game better fits that “spark off the bench” 6th man role and McLaughlins already a better defender.

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      I think Jacquori McLaughlin is going to be a VERY good player for OSU. At a summer camp, his vertical was allegedly measured at 40″. He’s over 6’3″, with long arms. Looking at his film, he seems to have an accurate outside shot, good range, a quick release, a solid handle, and can drive and finish at or around the rim with either hand. Perhaps more important, he’s a good passer who keeps his head up, sees the whole floor, and likes to get his teammates involved. He also seems to be an above-average defender with fast, strong hands. And, to top it off, from the little I’ve seen, he seems like a humble, coachable kid with a good attitude.

      Here’s some film — judge for yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-7ffoZSLuo

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        The cranks here say he’s just a low 3-star, though. 😉
        I agree with you — he’s going to be upper level 4 star. Slightly worried about his D…he’s a more athletic and diverse version of Roberto Nelson, imo.

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          I said he’s a high three star (and still believe that) and wouldn’t make an impact in his first year. He won’t beat out Bruce in the starting lineup and will be the 5th or 6th scoring option at best next year.

          If the team weren’t an ncaa caliber team, he’d have more of an impact. But on a team with the first 3 guards already defined, he’s going to have to really shine early on to get significant minutes.

          Look Bruce and STJ are going to avg around 25 – 30 min per game next year. Duvivier will get the bulk of the remaining minutes. Leaving McLoughlin and Manuel battling it out for the scraps. Unless they move to a 4 guard lineup like they used in the last couple games, I don’t see McLaughlin doing a whole lot. Not because he can’t play, but because there are guys ahead of him. When Duvivier graduates, he’ll see a lot more minutes.

          Like on the women’s team, McWilliams was a 5 star coming out of school. She didn’t take over in her first year. She was the 7th scorer on the team because there were players ahead of her. Next year, she’ll get an expanded role.

          Also you should thank CR for introducing him to OSU. He originally committed to CR.

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            McLoughlin can easily beat out Duvivier for those minutes. Beavs could go small and play 3 guards, too…it might be their best lineup with Tinkle and hopefully an improved Eubanks or someone better (Kone) than Eubanks at C.

            Why should I thank CR? I’ve already given CR the credit he deserves. Good recruiter, practice facility, bad coach. I’m not giving him anything more than that because that’s the reality of it.

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            5th or 6th scoring option? I really can’t see that.

            Stephen Thompson Jr.
            Tres Tinkle
            *maybe* Derrick Bruce

            Duvivier will get some time early in the year, then fall out of favor because McLaughlin is better at basically every facet of the game. I think McLaughlin is more ready to play than Bruce was, so I expect that transition doesn’t take that long.

        • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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          Does he thump his chest and kiss his fingers at the FT line?

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          Roberto Nelson was awful. A truly horrific player. Hope the kid is better than Roe-bwerto otherwise we’ll be a 9-12 place team again next year.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Really?

            That puts the bar pretty high. Your Ducks would get nobody across the line with those standards.

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        It will be interesting to see how he fits in with Bruce. Who starts and who comes off the bench? I like that he was averaging 9 assists per game…that’s pretty good in high school.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Regarding the soccer discussion.
    Great comment on the radio this morning here. They announced the first event at the new Vikings stadium will be a soccer match as a kind of shakedown prior to a couple of big concerts.
    “So after the soccer match they still won’t know if the score board works.”????

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      Nice.
      To each his own, but if I wanted to watch a bunch of guys beat a ball around without scoring, I’d have a group jerk session in front of a mirror

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    Any locals know why Martinek has not seen the mound? Has Carey been practicing?

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      My second hand information here is that Martinek had some complications from Tommy John and needed an additional surgery to relieve some tingling in his throwing hand. He has recently been cleared to throw from the mound. I don’t know the full timetable.

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    Walton picking the quacks to win the basketball championship. Drugs are bad, mmkay?

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      Conference of Champions!

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      I’m sure he’d gladly join a smokeout in Eugene to celebrate, then hit VooDoo Donuts when the munchies strike…”Dude, its cash only…here in the Conference of Champions! Look at the bacon topped maple bar! So big! So strong! What a pastry, what a donut. Can you spot me $10?”

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      God they’re fan base would be less tolerable if they won the basketball championship…and I didn’t think that would be possible.

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    OT – college football tidbits:

    UT Longhorn ESPN network has reportedly lost $48M since 2011, Ha! OSU coach Okie State HC Gundy wants a conference network to replace it.

    4*WR Keyshawn Johnson Jr. commits to Nebraska. His dad played for Riley (O Coordinator) at USC….KJ Jr. going to get caught in a transition as Mike won’t last 4 years…

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      Those poor bastards. Transition will be a neat deal though

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      Riley might last 4 years. He’ll probably win 8 games next year and fans will see an uptrend. Those Nebraska fans are a lot more like Beaver fans than I thought. They rationalized and justified Riley every which way, and only a small minority saw his issues.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Yup. They will have a small uptick as the players get used to their system, which will be balanced out by the loss of the toughness from Pelini. Then they get his ceiling wth 7-8 wins. Last year was so awesome with all the last second losses!

      • ObjCritic says:
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        That’s most fans isn’t it? I mean, the fan BASE is typically non-objective and enjoys non-critical thinking.

        Riley could be underperforming at USC, or a school like Texas, and they’d be doing the same thing.

        I expect when Riley/Banker hit the stage of a young or inexperienced QB (hello upside down TD:INT ratio), and the D continues to underperform, the University and fans will lose patience. So yeah, next year he has a senior qb (correct?) then he gets an inexperienced one, and that excuse, so that gets him to year 4.

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    Weisner, Habmlin earn Regional Honors.

    Football spring practice begins Monday! Can’t believe its that time already…

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    A cooooooug basketball player is declaring for the NBA draft. Ahahahahahachokehahahahaha…ha.

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      Yikes, Que Johnson for those who were wondering. I didn’t think he was much of a player, he must either hate school or the coaching staff or something.

      Marquese Chriss and Dejounte Murray are leaving UW too. I think Romar is on the way out. If not right now, then next year.

      With UW unsettled, I think we have a great shot at Jaylen Nowell and Corey Kispert, two bigtime Seattle area prospects. Add Ethan Thompson and maybe Melo Eggleston, we’d have a fantastic class for 2017.

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    Go Timbers!

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    Worth reading, Kendall Rogers on Logan Ice:
    http://www.d1baseball.com/features/gsa-spotlight-oregon-states-logan-ice/

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    Siegner on Rueck and staff:

    “It started with the staff, the vision they had, and we all bought into that. It made you want to stay here, and not necessarily get away from your family and whatnot. It has been a great experience; for any Oregon people looking (at colleges), it’s a great place to be.”

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/298839-175210-beavers-luring-local-talent

    The improvement in staff across the board – and the subsequent results – is what spurred the “Year of the Beaver” and this thread I think….It is so great to see not only the coaches, but the kids consistently – and across the sports – communicating the new message about Corvallis and OSU as a great college location and experience.

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      Golly, you can’t recruit to Corvallis.

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        Sure you can, didn’t you hear about the new airport?

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    Tyler Rawson looking at OSU for upcoming year. Meh, Beavs really need a physical post player to help with rebounding. But since he’s a JC transfer and if there aren’t any other options, I would not be opposed to him being added because he would help the front court depth.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/03/tyler_rawson_6-foot-10_njcaa_n.html#incart_river_index

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      I was just looking at some of his tape yesterday. The site verbalcommits.com had him as an offer and I hadn’t ever seen him before.

      You know how movies based on real people, the actor they pick looks vaguely like the real person, but better looking, more physically fit, better hair, etc.

      This kid would play Olaf Schaftenaar in the movie. He’s a rugged, strong-rebounding, defense-playing guy who can pass at a very high level, gets to the line and makes his foul shots, will step out and hit the three, can take his man off the dribble, blocks shots, will take a charge.

      I hope we get him. Utah could sure use him after Poeltl leaves, so it’d keep them a notch down and definitely improve our chances next season.

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      A competent big man and one with title-winning experience to boot. Just what the doctor ordered. Cmon year of the Beaver!

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        Exactly. GP2 went to that same JC and also flourished…..so I think we can have reason to hope. Its not if he’ll be better than the Reid/Olaf crap sandwich, its HOW MUCH better he may be.

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    First pitch is at 7 tonight, Beavs starting pitcher is TBD per both the Bears and Beavs Twitter. Doesn’t look like there are any streams for this one.
    TBD?? Whasup w/Rasmussen?

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      Parker and Wilson talked about this during the mid-week game against Portland. Teams sometimes fill the Thursday night role with one of their mid-week guys and keep their normal Friday guy on Fridays so that they are on the same rotation schedule. Considering the magnitude of the match up (Cal is a top 25 team) they will likely go with Rasmussen.

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        Missed that, if Wilson says so, it is worth considering (and, really, nothing new).
        BUT, in this case that “maintain the schedule” thing doesn’t wash……Thompson and Eckert are already listed as starting Fri/Sat so they’re both on a compressed week, why not Rasmussen?

        UPDATE: Here’s a possible answer (ain’t this electric interwebby thing somethin’): “Rasmussen is dealing with a sore back, and he will be a game-time decision.
        Per Baseball America

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    Horowitz reporting RBs Chris Brown and Deltron Sands are no longer on the team. Helps explain why we saw an oregonian report that 2018 RB commit Cam Davis visited Notre Dame. He’s cousins with Sands.(plus 2018 is a long time to worry about verbal commits flipping)

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    I’m hoping this is just a sign of more Nallball next year.

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    We have Nall, Haskins, Cook incoming freshmen Pierce, White. and isn’t Taylor Thomas enrolling this year? Something had to give at RB. Looks like it was Sands.

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      Timing suggests it’s grades…..at least that is my guess. But yes we have plenty of running backs.

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      Sucks for Sands that he waited a year to move. Spent his redshirt year injured, and now he’ll likely have to sit a year of eligibility, depending on where he goes.

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        If it’s grades it might be in his best interest to go to a JC and go back to a 4 year. He can play, clean up his academics, and be at another good program all in one swoop. Definitely not as nice for stability purposes and you have to go through the recruiting process again but it can work out.

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    Sands leaving is due to rule violations.

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