Yep. First day JC players can sign their LOI. This should be the immediate impact players. We are solid on a few (Luton, Hodgins, etc) but could get some additional key recruits. Could be an exciting day for beavers.
Was Gary Payton really that good? What’s happened to the basketball team? With their talent they should be beating these teams in the pre-PAC season. What happened to the defensive effort they put in Tinkles first year. Disappointing.
It’s been the same reason all year and no it’s not GP2.
It’s the loss of Duvivier and Bruce that hurts the most. Not having them has forced guys like Muller and Sanders into extended playing time. Manuel and McLoughlin are having to play many more minutes than projected. Stacy would have been benched long ago if there were any decent players behind him.
And the JC players just haven’t contributed anything. Dew and Stacy are complete busts.
Either help or hinder. If you’re being recruited for a specific position and you know there’s a freshman all American in that position would you be inclined to look elsewhere?
Hey Beavergopher, Minnesota makes this trophy list twice, #1 with Paul Bunyan’s Axe (v. Wisc) and at #3 with Floyd of Rosedale pig statue (v. Iowa). They used to battle Iowa for a live pig?!? What they hell did they do with it?
He died of cholera a few months after the game on a farm in the southern part of the state. The origin was a bet from the MN to the IA governor to diffuse tensions leading up to the game in 1935. State prize hog vs state prize hog. The name comes Floyd, the MN governors first name, and Rosedale Farms, the birthplace of Floyd. He was delivered via a sedan to the MN Governors office. Great picture. http://www.realclearsports.com/blog/Floyd%20of%20Rosedale.jpg
Looking for reasons to feel positive about the Jaylon Lane situation:
1) As BlackBandits points out perhaps he’s posting the “gotta do whats right for me and my family” because “…he wants to go here (OSU) instead of a texas school and is getting shit for it…”.
2) He is actually flipping but it’s because he’s been told that Nixon is coming to Corvallis.
Speaking of Nixon if he does sign with the vols or the cocks here’s hoping that doesn’t mean that Evans is going elsewhere too.
Could be he watched some video of Soph Nall, Freshman Pierce, and sees we have TJ Green coming in. Might have a better shot at early playing time elsewhere.
My thoughts exactly. He prolly saw quite the log jam forming at running back with Nall, Pierce, Lucas and now All-Arizona running back Green. Good for him to use his head and look elsewhere for playing time.
OT: don’t do much in the Twitter department but have noticed Nebby fans might be even more annoying the Utah fans. So many with some sort of superiority complex. It’s like: Dudes, your team hasn’t been great for 20 years, and you live in Nebraska. Take it down a notch.
That is what he would’ve done anyway, no chance he was ever coming back to Oregon. Coaches only go back to old jobs if they have some emotional tie (alum for instance, etc…), Chip has no such ties to Oregon.
Watched the film. Runs well but those defenders look awful (slow and can’t tackle a lick). Anyone know the competition level? Looks terrible. Looping throws and holds the ball high near his ear when throwing. Awkward.
Could have done well in Oregon’s old system. Not sure he’s a fit for whatever Taggart does. Overall not impressed.
So here is a general question, as this is a general thread.
I came of age in the early 90’s, watching the Jerry Pettibone Wishbone ground game. I always enjoyed watching that style of football, which was run by several prominent programs at that time, namely Oklahoma and Nebraska.
I recall a few years where it seemed like the program had turned a corner, and was just shy of a winning season, but lost some close games (1993-94 are probably the years I’m thinking of).
My question to those of you who have more reliable memories of the era, is what was holding the program back? Was it entirely the class of athletes? Bad luck? Just “the way things were?”
My feeling is that that type of offense, coupled with a few pretty good defenses in that era, SHOULD have been able to put together a winning season. So why didn’t it happen?
The offense never really caught fire. I personally think the best season was 1994 when they finished 4-7 and were only outscored by 16 points for the season. The problem was that the offense only scored 223 points in 11 games. In 1995, they finished 1-10 and the defense only gave up 237 points, but the team scored a whopping 136 points.
In 1996, the defense fell apart and Pettibone got the axe. Rocky Long had the defense going for about three years and they played with “their hair on fire”. And there were some good athletes on offense at times, but not enough to overcome the elite off the P-10. And you talk about GA’s team not being able to pass the football.
Some teams also ran the Veer (Houston with Bill Yeoman) which I belive was a full backfield. Nebraska also always seemed to have a tight end who could block and catch a pass when needed.
Was some time ago, but what I recall was the PAC-10 at the time had a lot of high powered offenses? No one else I think was running wishbone in the league at the time; wishbone by its nature isn’t one that scores quickly or often, and Oregon State (as it did for a good portion of its 28 seasons being below .500) didn’t have a roster during that time to compete with USC, UCLA, UW etc.
Also, while it may be difficult to “play” against on the field, the Wishbone wasn’t a new or innovative offense; during that time, my feeling was that the vast majority of the PAC-10 defense coaches /knew how to best approach/ game planning against it.
Teams that were successful with it at that time like Oklahoma, Michigan beat you with superior players, or else ran very disciplined programs re: Air Force, Army, Yale.
Scholarship levels made it so we couldn’t draw mid-level talent away from teams stocked with high level talent. Pettibone and Long were actually very good talent evaluators and recruiters. Those OU teams that were great in the late 70s and the NU teams that followed in the early 80s were great because great players were recruited there… by Pettibone himself. But what he also had was a cast of thousands standing on the sideline, not playing for any opposing teams.
He wasn’t really able to break that at NIU. He had one or two good years there when all his first and second year recruits had matured, his third and fourth years. But he was going to decline there, or at least cycle between poor and good seasons. That’s the same cycle he had at OSU, against better talent. his third and fourth years were his best, but you had third stringers on Pac Ds who could beat the weakest links on our O. Once those excess talents were distributed more widely by reducing scholarship limits, all schools had a better chance to implement whole systems.
ESPN – Pac 12 QB rating for 2016:
Oregon State: The Beavers played three quarterbacks and none of them would start at any other school in the conference.
This is not copied from anyone else but it’s a system I designed personally and reflects the overall performance on the field of each team vs their opponents, the location the game was played, and the expectation.
Scroll all the way to the right to read the chart correctly.
Current Power = the overall performance grade of the team
PWR RAT = Talent Rating of team (a general rule but not absolute is that this # was the expected place finish at the start of the year)
HF = Home Field Advantage gained in calculation during a home game
Sch STR = Average per game of the opposition’s “Current Power” listing
S R = Rating of schedule difficulty average (Sch STR) compared to the entire list
Conf YPG = Yards per game MARGIN averaged per conference game (All games for Independents)
YPP = Yards Per POINT
YDS/YDSA = Yards/Yards Against
W0-CH = Comparison of each game on a team’s schedule if it were played this week
PD = Projected Final Amount of Wins (Games Won + Upcoming Games Favored)
PAC-12 BOWL GAMES
Alabama -7.5 over Washington
Colorado -6.5 over Oklahoma State
Washington State -9.5 over Minnesota
Penn State E over USC
Utah -7.5 over Indiana
Stanford -1 over North Carolina
FINAL +/- Current Power Rank vs Initial Power Rating Increase/Decrease Ratings for Pac-12
(e.g. Washington had a PWR RAT of #8 and finished at #4 so they are +4)
Oregon State +50
Colorado +43
Washington State +36
Washington +4
USC -2
Utah -7
California -24
Stanford -33
Arizona State -55
UCLA -60
Arizona -70
Oregon -74
Oregon State had a much lower start projection than Colorado. Colorado ended much higher but the rises were comparable considering where each team expected to finish and where they actually did.
He was a four star? Holy crap! As i said above, I wasn’t impressed. I have nothing against little fast guys, love me some Quiz, but every time he got the ball nothing happened.
That is what I thought. I noticed it starting early in the season. He would send tweets about being frustrated and how others weren’t treating him well. I am sure Coach A said get with the program and produce or find a new place to play. Tough to tell what the behind the scenes was. Gotta wish the kid luck.
First! So Wednesday is a signing day or what exactly?
Yep. First day JC players can sign their LOI. This should be the immediate impact players. We are solid on a few (Luton, Hodgins, etc) but could get some additional key recruits. Could be an exciting day for beavers.
Was Gary Payton really that good? What’s happened to the basketball team? With their talent they should be beating these teams in the pre-PAC season. What happened to the defensive effort they put in Tinkles first year. Disappointing.
Lack of early chemistry and injuries but that shouldn’t be an excuse for losing to some of these teams.
It’s been the same reason all year and no it’s not GP2.
It’s the loss of Duvivier and Bruce that hurts the most. Not having them has forced guys like Muller and Sanders into extended playing time. Manuel and McLoughlin are having to play many more minutes than projected. Stacy would have been benched long ago if there were any decent players behind him.
And the JC players just haven’t contributed anything. Dew and Stacy are complete busts.
Has Duvivier’s circumstance ever been explained? His mom was such a fan.
Again, congratulations to OSU CB Xavier Crawford, named to USA Today Freshman All American team. Don’t see it in the twitter feed yet.
I hope this helps in recruiting, as it speaks well of OSU’s coaching (Hall).
Either help or hinder. If you’re being recruited for a specific position and you know there’s a freshman all American in that position would you be inclined to look elsewhere?
Hey Beavergopher, Minnesota makes this trophy list twice, #1 with Paul Bunyan’s Axe (v. Wisc) and at #3 with Floyd of Rosedale pig statue (v. Iowa). They used to battle Iowa for a live pig?!? What they hell did they do with it?
http://www.si.com/college-football/photo/2016/11/28/ranking-college-footballs-unusual-trophies
Still not as good as Platypus Trophy. Except we need to make it official. Atleast they don’t kinda do theirs.
The platypus “trophy” doesn’t look like a platypus and has nothing to do with either school… or the continent where the schools are.
What is your point exactly?
Top of my head… it’s why I couldn’t play football past the third grade… damn helmets.
Oblio found out that everyone has a point…
The loser of the Civil War gets the Platypus.
plus the Little Brown Jug vs. Michigan at 13
That is insured for over two millions dollars. Cost 30 cents when new in 1903. The granddaddy of them all.
I don’t know what Minny did with the pig, but Iowa? Don’t ask, don’t tell.
Oink means no, Ferentz.
In Iowa that is dirty talk foreplay.
He died of cholera a few months after the game on a farm in the southern part of the state. The origin was a bet from the MN to the IA governor to diffuse tensions leading up to the game in 1935. State prize hog vs state prize hog. The name comes Floyd, the MN governors first name, and Rosedale Farms, the birthplace of Floyd. He was delivered via a sedan to the MN Governors office. Great picture.
http://www.realclearsports.com/blog/Floyd%20of%20Rosedale.jpg
Looking for reasons to feel positive about the Jaylon Lane situation:
1) As BlackBandits points out perhaps he’s posting the “gotta do whats right for me and my family” because “…he wants to go here (OSU) instead of a texas school and is getting shit for it…”.
2) He is actually flipping but it’s because he’s been told that Nixon is coming to Corvallis.
Speaking of Nixon if he does sign with the vols or the cocks here’s hoping that doesn’t mean that Evans is going elsewhere too.
My guess is we get Evana, but not Lane or Nixon
Any Pac WRs named Woodward or Bernstein? Could be a factor in Nixon ‘ s decision.
Nicebeaver = Deepthroat
Not the first time I’ve been called that…
Lane isn’t worth the risk
Miller flipped, that’s too bad. Nice to see coaches battling for these guys but you have to get them signed.
Could be he watched some video of Soph Nall, Freshman Pierce, and sees we have TJ Green coming in. Might have a better shot at early playing time elsewhere.
My thoughts exactly. He prolly saw quite the log jam forming at running back with Nall, Pierce, Lucas and now All-Arizona running back Green. Good for him to use his head and look elsewhere for playing time.
As long as we don’t lose Green I don’t care
I personally still can’t figure out why Lucas is in the bunch. Haven’t been impressed. Needs to be moved to a different spot.
just tweeted out he is transferring
OT: don’t do much in the Twitter department but have noticed Nebby fans might be even more annoying the Utah fans. So many with some sort of superiority complex. It’s like: Dudes, your team hasn’t been great for 20 years, and you live in Nebraska. Take it down a notch.
Beavs will have the #4 (Hodgins) and #16 (Taylor) WRs in the West. If they can land Calvin they’d also have the #6 WR in the West.
Flemings is no slouch at #27 in the West.
I think these WRs know they can come in and help the passing game immediately, and that’s attractive. Not confident about Calvin, though.
This article has some decent thoughts:
http://www.scout.com/college/oregon-state/story/1737234-mid-year-signing-day-preview
I think OSU got eliminated when Brennan became a head coach. So Calvin is out for us.
Hmmm. I’m not convinced.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jim-harbaugh-leaving-michigan-for-the-rams-is-reportedly-a-very-real-possibility/
It’s a “very real” rumor.
Lame Kiffin to FAilU
Can you imagine having done all that work at FAU on facilities and the athletics program in general… and Lane Kiffin is your reward?
Taggart better hope the ink is dry on his contract
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/gm-trent-baalke-likely-done-with-49ers-chip-kellys-fate-up-to-next-gm/
Chip won’t come back to Oregon anyway….
Would be funny if Chip was fired then went to some other College team. Duck fans would be crapping themselves.
Maybe Chip will become our new WR coach?
Heheh
That is what he would’ve done anyway, no chance he was ever coming back to Oregon. Coaches only go back to old jobs if they have some emotional tie (alum for instance, etc…), Chip has no such ties to Oregon.
Zero chance he would ever come back to Oregon.
I thought Chip was basically blackballed by the NCAA from ever coaching again.
His man tits were banned.
Sarcasm isn’t your strong suit is it?
From the you can’t make this shit up files.
Ducks offer some Yankoff……..
http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/09/colston_yankoff_oregon_ducks_2.html
Yank this.
That’s an unfortunate last name……
Sounds like jerk.
Him: What did you do last night?
Her: Not much, just watched Colson Yankoff.
Watched the film. Runs well but those defenders look awful (slow and can’t tackle a lick). Anyone know the competition level? Looks terrible. Looping throws and holds the ball high near his ear when throwing. Awkward.
Could have done well in Oregon’s old system. Not sure he’s a fit for whatever Taggart does. Overall not impressed.
Didn’t watch film. Couldn’t get past name without uncontrollable giggling.
And he just de-committed from the ducks.
http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/12/colson_yankoff_2018_4-star_qb.html#incart_river_mobile_index
That was fast……
That’s what she said.
Smart man.
Someone send a box of tissues to the Oregon performance center
and lotion
“The Yankoff Center.”
Well, Andersen can recruit him now if he’s dual threat, legitimate “4*.”
So here is a general question, as this is a general thread.
I came of age in the early 90’s, watching the Jerry Pettibone Wishbone ground game. I always enjoyed watching that style of football, which was run by several prominent programs at that time, namely Oklahoma and Nebraska.
I recall a few years where it seemed like the program had turned a corner, and was just shy of a winning season, but lost some close games (1993-94 are probably the years I’m thinking of).
My question to those of you who have more reliable memories of the era, is what was holding the program back? Was it entirely the class of athletes? Bad luck? Just “the way things were?”
My feeling is that that type of offense, coupled with a few pretty good defenses in that era, SHOULD have been able to put together a winning season. So why didn’t it happen?
The offense never really caught fire. I personally think the best season was 1994 when they finished 4-7 and were only outscored by 16 points for the season. The problem was that the offense only scored 223 points in 11 games. In 1995, they finished 1-10 and the defense only gave up 237 points, but the team scored a whopping 136 points.
In 1996, the defense fell apart and Pettibone got the axe. Rocky Long had the defense going for about three years and they played with “their hair on fire”. And there were some good athletes on offense at times, but not enough to overcome the elite off the P-10. And you talk about GA’s team not being able to pass the football.
Nebraska never ran the Wishbone. They ran option out of the power I. OU, Texas, and Bama did back in the day.
Some teams also ran the Veer (Houston with Bill Yeoman) which I belive was a full backfield. Nebraska also always seemed to have a tight end who could block and catch a pass when needed.
Was some time ago, but what I recall was the PAC-10 at the time had a lot of high powered offenses? No one else I think was running wishbone in the league at the time; wishbone by its nature isn’t one that scores quickly or often, and Oregon State (as it did for a good portion of its 28 seasons being below .500) didn’t have a roster during that time to compete with USC, UCLA, UW etc.
Also, while it may be difficult to “play” against on the field, the Wishbone wasn’t a new or innovative offense; during that time, my feeling was that the vast majority of the PAC-10 defense coaches /knew how to best approach/ game planning against it.
Teams that were successful with it at that time like Oklahoma, Michigan beat you with superior players, or else ran very disciplined programs re: Air Force, Army, Yale.
Scholarship levels made it so we couldn’t draw mid-level talent away from teams stocked with high level talent. Pettibone and Long were actually very good talent evaluators and recruiters. Those OU teams that were great in the late 70s and the NU teams that followed in the early 80s were great because great players were recruited there… by Pettibone himself. But what he also had was a cast of thousands standing on the sideline, not playing for any opposing teams.
He wasn’t really able to break that at NIU. He had one or two good years there when all his first and second year recruits had matured, his third and fourth years. But he was going to decline there, or at least cycle between poor and good seasons. That’s the same cycle he had at OSU, against better talent. his third and fourth years were his best, but you had third stringers on Pac Ds who could beat the weakest links on our O. Once those excess talents were distributed more widely by reducing scholarship limits, all schools had a better chance to implement whole systems.
ESPN – Pac 12 QB rating for 2016:
Oregon State: The Beavers played three quarterbacks and none of them would start at any other school in the conference.
Ouch.
Ouch yes, but probably hard to argue against that.
I call tin-ear. Mcm finished with ~135 qb which would put him about 5th in conference for team qbr vs conference.
ESPN should have written that last year, but they were too busy talking about hurdles. Just goes to show once again that they know nothing.
I would say the Zony schools had equal play. And Utah wasn’t exactly hot at the QB.
And if any one of the graduates with eligibility, they can go start for Nikegon.
Speaking of…
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/808756798454841344
Anus….Anus….Anus. I miss the chants already.
Anyone heard what his reason is for transferring?
It’s winter, and the City of Tuscon gave him a free bus pass and told him to leave so the snowbirds wouldn’t have to look at him.
Final Regular Season Power Ratings Chart:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l2T3pgiHk1WKiNvQZUzWzWYR3Oo5HoBxrxcCbnl2LcY/edit#gid=27
This is not copied from anyone else but it’s a system I designed personally and reflects the overall performance on the field of each team vs their opponents, the location the game was played, and the expectation.
Scroll all the way to the right to read the chart correctly.
Current Power = the overall performance grade of the team
PWR RAT = Talent Rating of team (a general rule but not absolute is that this # was the expected place finish at the start of the year)
HF = Home Field Advantage gained in calculation during a home game
Sch STR = Average per game of the opposition’s “Current Power” listing
S R = Rating of schedule difficulty average (Sch STR) compared to the entire list
Conf YPG = Yards per game MARGIN averaged per conference game (All games for Independents)
YPP = Yards Per POINT
YDS/YDSA = Yards/Yards Against
W0-CH = Comparison of each game on a team’s schedule if it were played this week
PD = Projected Final Amount of Wins (Games Won + Upcoming Games Favored)
PAC-12 BOWL GAMES
Alabama -7.5 over Washington
Colorado -6.5 over Oklahoma State
Washington State -9.5 over Minnesota
Penn State E over USC
Utah -7.5 over Indiana
Stanford -1 over North Carolina
FINAL +/- Current Power Rank vs Initial Power Rating Increase/Decrease Ratings for Pac-12
(e.g. Washington had a PWR RAT of #8 and finished at #4 so they are +4)
Oregon State +50
Colorado +43
Washington State +36
Washington +4
USC -2
Utah -7
California -24
Stanford -33
Arizona State -55
UCLA -60
Arizona -70
Oregon -74
Not sure we out-overperformed the buffs but quacks are definitely the conference stinker
Oregon State had a much lower start projection than Colorado. Colorado ended much higher but the rises were comparable considering where each team expected to finish and where they actually did.
Paul Lucas has announced he’s transferring away from OSU
He stunk. Slowest 4-star 4.3 RB ever.
He was a four star? Holy crap! As i said above, I wasn’t impressed. I have nothing against little fast guys, love me some Quiz, but every time he got the ball nothing happened.
Yeah he was a bust…..too bad, I was hoping he would find his wheels and replace bolden on the jet sweep.
Pretty sure he was told he’ll be riding the pine next year. Way too many RBs ahead him.
This is who I was talking about a couple of threads ago.
That is what I thought. I noticed it starting early in the season. He would send tweets about being frustrated and how others weren’t treating him well. I am sure Coach A said get with the program and produce or find a new place to play. Tough to tell what the behind the scenes was. Gotta wish the kid luck.
??? What did you say? I don’t remember.